Re: Which fonts are being actually used?

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
retired mainframer wrote: :: As far as I know RACF provides sufficient granularity to define access controlled resources for these purposes, so I think it'd work well. :: Via access using program modules, yes. The last time it was discussed on RACF-L, there was no RACF processing at the member

SL SA and range parameter

2014-03-26 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
I have attempted to set a storage alteration PER trap. I was interested in several 4 byte areas distributed across maybe 2 pages. My intention was to disable SA monitoring for everything except those 4 byte areas, similar to the way it is described for IF traps: SL

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread retired mainframer
:: -Original Message- :: From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On :: Behalf Of Micheal Butz :: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 6:50 PM :: To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :: Subject: Allocating file in Rex exec :: :: Hi :: :: I am allocating a dataset in a Rex

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-03-26 04:54, Ed Gould pisze: On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:55 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: On 03/25/2014 04:50 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2014-03-25 21:41, Ed Gould pisze: I have friends who bought a new PC and it came with windows 8. They went out and bought a license for XP and installed XP.

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 00:30:31 -0700, retired mainframer wrote: :: :: I am allocating a dataset in a Rex exec using the following syntax :: :: Alloc fi(myddnam) da('my.pds.name(member)') shr :: :: I get an error routine not found Does your exec issue the ADDRESS TSO instruction? Hmmm... o If

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Shane Ginnane
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:22:39 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Oops! I did a Shmuel; I followed up without reading ahead to see that I was largely repeating your answer. Shame on you :^) Damn I love this list sometimes. Shane ...

Re: JFCB LBI Blocksize

2014-03-26 Thread Martin Packer
Interesting: JFCB appears in its entirety in SMF 14 and 15: I extract things like member name from it in my code. I'm wondering how to get the LBI Blksize from SMF 14 / 15. Maybe I can't. If I figure it out I'll try to write it up (or point to any existing write up). Cheers, Martin Martin

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Micheal Butz wrote: I am allocating a dataset in a Rex exec using the following syntax Rex, uhhmmm, sorry, Michael, it is REXX, not Rex. :-) Alloc fi(myddnam) da('my.pds.name(member)') shr Is thus litteraly so (copy/paste intact) or did you redacted the actual dataset and member name? I

Re: JFCB LBI Blocksize

2014-03-26 Thread Yifat Oren
Hi Martin, SMF14LBS has the LBI BLKSIZE in SMF14/15. Best Regards, Yifat Oren -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Martin Packer Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:19 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: JFCB LBI

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: And the relationship to the IBM-MAIN topic is ? and Relationship to mainframes? My opinion: Some z/OS systems are blocked to access IBM sites for PTFs, etc. WinXP placed between outside internet and z/OS can then be used to do transfers or browsing IBM websites

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-03-26 10:01, Elardus Engelbrecht pisze: Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: And the relationship to the IBM-MAIN topic is ? and Relationship to mainframes? My opinion: Some z/OS systems are blocked to access IBM sites for PTFs, etc. WinXP placed between outside internet and z/OS can then

Re: JFCB LBI Blocksize

2014-03-26 Thread Martin Packer
Thanks Yifat! That should be particularly easy to extract. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog:

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: I know people (including my humble person) using Win 9x far after it was out of support. Some of them used the PC to connect to mainframe. So? I just dropped my 3174's - they had no support contract for 10+ years. I have/had some equipment or software which doesn't

Re: SL SA and range parameter

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Barbara Nitz wrote: I have attempted to set a storage alteration PER trap. I was interested in several 4 byte areas distributed across maybe 2 pages. My intention was to disable SA monitoring for everything except those 4 byte areas, similar to the way it is described for IF traps: On what

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 9607598388776077.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 03/25/2014 at 11:46 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: A single TCP/IP stack can communicate with itself. You're still evading the question, although I'm not sure what you mean by communicate in this context[1], or why

Re: Doug Nadel's ISPFHTML - retired

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In s4p2j9dgh6f8nhqc0vdjfhc2biva2rk...@4ax.com, on 03/25/2014 at 01:13 PM, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com said: Did not realize he was close to O100 years old I thought that retirement age was '41'x years old. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position;

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Shiminsky, Gary
Goodby WinXT, hello Linux! Too bad IBM dumped OS/2. Gary Gary L. Shiminsky Senior zVM/zVSE Systems Programmer Mainframe Technical Support Group Department of Information Technology State of New Hampshire 27 Hazen Drive Concord, NH 03301 603-271-1509 Fax 603-271-1516 Statement of

Re: Metal C vs. HLASM - for C callable subroutine?

2014-03-26 Thread Lloyd Fuller
How much cross-platform C code do you do?  With Metal C, it is possible to use cross-platform code in z/OS environments that do not allow LE.   In my opinion Metal C is VERY useful.   Lloyd From: Gord Tomlin gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com To:

Re: Which fonts are being actually used?

2014-03-26 Thread Lizette Koehler
Since the SMF Type 42 record was enhanced to include PDS member info, maybe that might be helpful? Or maybe a product like SOFTAUDT (or whatever it is called today) might help. I am a little fuzzy on fonts and whether or not the member is actually touched to generate either a TYPE42 or other

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:39:55 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In 9607598388776077.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 03/25/2014 at 11:46 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: A single TCP/IP stack can communicate with itself. You're still evading the question, although

Re: SL SA and range parameter

2014-03-26 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
On what z/OS version? 1.13. As documented in MVS System Commands (v1.12): RANGE is not valid for error event traps. RANGE cannot be specified on an ACTION=IGNORE storage alteration PER trap. I believe this could be the reason for IEE739I. Since this was a PER trap, not an error event trap,

Re: SL SA and range parameter

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Barbara Nitz wrote: Since this was a PER trap, not an error event trap, I didn't worry. I have overlooked the second part, though. So what I wanted to do (only monitoring certain words in a 2 page area) is really not supported. Pity. Pity, yes. Thanks for finding the reference, though. I had

Re: Which fonts are being actually used?

2014-03-26 Thread Peter Hunkeler
I don't have access to VPS documentation, so I don't know if VPS offers a suitable exit. With PSF, I'd try with a Ressource Management exit (exit 7) which can ask to receive control when fonts are loaded. The exit would then write information about fonts being used to a data set which can be

Re: Doug Nadel's ISPFHTML - retired

2014-03-26 Thread Govind Chettiar
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 07:25:35 -0400, Richards, Robert B. robert.richa...@opm.gov wrote: Hank, Thanks for the heads up about Doug. I still use his tools on a daily basis. Tools such as ISRFIND, ISRDDN, and TASID to name a few. Thank you, Doug, for your contribution to ISPF's usefulness and my

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Steve Conway
Paul Gilmartin said: Someone else suggested that with a /*ROUTE command it could be done. But: o Regardless how simple, this is modifying the JCL, probably making it ineligible to run on other systems until it's changed back o Does this work by routing the job to an (arbitrarily chosen)

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread David Andrews
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 19:51 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: Is there a follow-on software [to the DS6800 SMC] or a version supported on Linux? If not, I suspect that there should be customer requirement that the software needed for use of the DS6800s must run on supported operating systems. Since

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Scott Ford
Micheal: As I have mentioned and others , please provide us the actual source structure of rexx. Its hard to help just seeing a line. Plus your syntax is wrong … Regards, Scott Ford www.identityforge.com www.idmworks.com From: Micheal Butz Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎March‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Itschak Mugzach
This is because you used the dsname as a variable. Remove the qoutes around the dsname and live the single ones. It should read ad alloc f(X) DA('DSNAME') ... not ' Itschak בתאריך 26 במרץ 2014 03:50, Micheal Butz michealb...@optonline.net כתב: Hi I am allocating a dataset in a Rex exec using

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Mar 26, 2014, at 2:32 AM, R.S. wrote: Now you are rude type. Oh, what was your point about WIn XP? What was the value added for the group? Relationship to mainframes? rhetorical Are you able to explain it? About as much as your entry does. Ed -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Steve Dover
Rex, I am running mine on a virtual server running Server 2008 Standard SP2. The one time I opened a software call on this, IBM immediately told me I was running an unsupported configuration. They helped me with my problem, but griped the entire time. I would not look for IBM to update the

Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Charles Mills
It is common in the PC world for software to be offered for a 30-day trial that works automatically. You download the software, install it, and it somehow knows when it was installed and quits 30 days later unless purchased. Typically, it knows by hiding some magic file or registry entry somewhere

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Staller, Allan
I just happen to be installing a SAS upgrade as I am writing. A (90 day) temp key is provided (with the distribution - no request needed) to support the installation (SAS used to install SAS). On/before the end of that period a regular perm key must be installed. snip Has anyone ever seen

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Skip Robinson
I highly recommend editing/viewing a Rexx with Hilite On 1 (Automatic) or 14 (Rexx). In this mode, literals are one color (in my case white) and variables a different color (in my case green). I had a very similar problem yesterday making a pesky update to a Rexx. Coloring showed me the error

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Charles Mills wrote: It is common in the PC world for software to be offered for a 30-day trial that works automatically. You download the software, install it, and it somehow knows when it was installed and quits 30 days later unless purchased. Typically, it knows by hiding some magic file or

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Mullen, Patrick
The CICS Betas released over the last few releases (I believe betas were/are available for 4.2, 5.1 5.2) have built in expiry dates. IBM states that the betas Contain a disabling device that will prevent it from being used after the test period ends.

Re: Metal C vs. HLASM - for C callable subroutine?

2014-03-26 Thread Kirk Wolf
David, I agree - this would be GREAT. I've asked IBM about this and I think that at the time they said that it was a known requirement. Will be asking again next week. In the meantime, I would suggest that all interested submit your requirements. What we do (a lot) is to write XPLINK

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Mar26:1105-0500, Dan Skomsky wrote: A little OS/2 experience with IBM Marketing... Back in '94-'95 we spent over $500K to port a major Public Safety system from CICS MVS to CICS OS/2. The port was very successful. But, when we went into a major presentation to demonstrate our offering,

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Bob Shannon
I was at SHARE a long time ago when Pat Artis slide into a chair next to me and said I just went to the Windows vs OS/2 Shootout. It was a bloodbath. Expecting the worst I asked what happened. Pat said Microsoft brought eight people to the demo and IBM brought one. OS/2 blew the doors off

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Charles Mills
Right. Good input. Thanks. I have shipped software with a hard-coded expiration date. What I am looking for is a floating expiration date that would be 30 days after installation, whether installed today or a year from today. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Tony Harminc
On 26 March 2014 12:20, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Right. Good input. Thanks. I have shipped software with a hard-coded expiration date. What I am looking for is a floating expiration date that would be 30 days after installation, whether installed today or a year from today. It

Re: STOW member list format?

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:02:04 -0500, Bill Godfrey wrote: You did see that it is in the Z/OS 2.1 PDF that I mentioned, right? 380th page, page 354. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/download/DGT3D500.pdf I found a nice example, more suited to my need, in Using Data Sets:

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Shiminsky, Gary
Many developers who had used OS/2 offered to rewrite any non-IBM code that was in OS/2 so IBM could at least release it as open source. IBM declined. As we all know IBM has been very good at shooting itself in the foot over the years (multiple times). There is one vendor that still sells OS/2

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread retired mainframer
While the DS6800 has been withdrawn from marketing, it has not reached end of support. Consequently, I am pretty confident IBM will continue to respond to support issues for the entire system, including the SMC, as long as it is their installation. If you install a non-IBM disk drive, I don't

The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
URL recently showed up in (ibm employee) linkedin group http://www.ibm.com/annualreport/2013/strategy.html The IBM Strategy: Waer remaining a new future for our clients, our industry and our company. This is how. 01: We are making markets by transforming indusries and professions with data 02:

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Mar26:1700+, Shiminsky, Gary wrote: Many developers who had used OS/2 offered to rewrite any non-IBM code that was in OS/2 so IBM could at least release it as open source. IBM declined. Without knowledge of the Ts and Cs in the pertinent contracts between Microsoft and IBM

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Gibney, Dave
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Steve Conway Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 6:06 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications) Paul Gilmartin said: Someone else suggested

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Pommier, Rex
quote any site that has the SMC connected to an external network might want to reevaluate that /quote Therein lies the rub. At my site, the dictate has come down from on high (and not completely without merit) that any PC on the network needs to be supported. The SMC needs to be on the

Re: The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread zMan
IBM has a strategy? Wow, that's a huge leap forward from what we've seen in recent years! (Yes, I'm being snide/unfair/whatever, no need to point that out) On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.comwrote: URL recently showed up in (ibm employee) linkedin group

Re: Support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Skip Robinson RIP Betamax. Turns out that Ralph Waldo Emerson (had to look that up) was wrong about mousetraps and the power of innovation. Or, as I often quote Leonard Woren, if you build a better mouse trap,

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Skip Robinson
A job can routed for execution to another NJE node by JES command. If there happens to a SYSAFF card, the job might not run until the SYSAFF name is changed or nullified, but JES commands allow a job or its output to be sent anywhere in the network by operator command. . . J.O.Skip Robinson

Re: STOW member list format?

2014-03-26 Thread Bill Godfrey
On Wed, 26 Mar 2014 11:42:42 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:02:04 -0500, Bill Godfrey wrote: You did see that it is in the Z/OS 2.1 PDF that I mentioned, right? 380th page, page 354. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/download/DGT3D500.pdf I found a

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Gibney, Dave
That is true, but it is still a second action required after the JCL is submitted. Issuing the command requires use of a different interface (SDSF or (E)JES). I probably should have known better than to interject in a Shmuel/Gil discussion. :) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Which fonts are being actually used?

2014-03-26 Thread Howard Turetzky
PSF reports all resource usage for a job with the AFPSTATS report, including number of references, member and library name, but, of course, only for files that PSF processes. If VPS is processing AFP print files (produced by DCF or files using a PAGEDEF or FORMDEF) and driving AFP (IPDS)

Re: Metal C vs. HLASM - for C callable subroutine?

2014-03-26 Thread Thomas David Rivers
David Crayford wrote: On 26/03/2014 4:32 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 25 March 2014 16:16, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: Wouldn't it be nice if all the header files were trilingual? Assembler/PLS/Metal C? It'll take a while. Ugh, please. :-( There's nothing wrong with Metal C

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Mike Schwab
Haven't seen anything. Possibilities would be a date in the program and if past that date the program stops. Site would need to keep updating the download to reflect a later date. Or detect the create date of the library the program is installed in, or save the install date into a member,

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread John Gilmore
Skip Robinson is of course quite right. A job can be sent to any NJE node for execution by operator command, and operator commands can of course be generated. There are, however, simpler solutions. JCL that differs parametrically from one instance to another of its use is easy, very easy, to

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-03-26 19:04, Pommier, Rex pisze: quote any site that has the SMC connected to an external network might want to reevaluate that /quote Therein lies the rub. At my site, the dictate has come down from on high (and not completely without merit) that any PC on the network needs to be

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-03-26 16:36, Charles Mills pisze: [...] Has anyone ever seen mainframe software that automatically expired 30 days after installation? If so, any rough idea how that worked? (Presumably, not a magic hidden file LOL.) Yes. How does it work? It depends, I've seen various methods. One

Re: The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread Ted MacNEIL
IBM: We make mistakes so you don't have too! - -teD -   Original Message   From: zMan Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 14:58 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List Subject: Re: The IBM Strategy IBM has a strategy? Wow, that's a huge leap forward from what we've seen

Re: The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread Itschak Mugzach
thats reminds me the tails about the M(onk)frammer who sold his f(errari)acility... He should have done that years ago. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:22 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: IBM: We make mistakes so you don't have too! - -teD - Original Message From: zMan Sent:

Re: JFCB LBI Blocksize

2014-03-26 Thread Chris Cantrell
I guess I should have made myself more clear. I am running a job and in that job I want to get the block size for the dataset associated with one of the DDs in the step that is currently running. I 'stole' COBOL a program which PSA--TCB--TIOT. It then searches for my DD establishes

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Chuck Arney
I once did this with a VSE software product. However, when I created the z/OS version of that product I decided the advantage of the automatic trial period was just not worth the risk in an MVS environment. There are easy enough ways to determine when something has been installed for a period of

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Has anyone ever seen mainframe software that automatically expired 30 days after installation? If so, any rough idea how that worked? (Presumably, not a magic hidden file LOL.) Charles: I have. Its *USUALLY* hidden in the key . Its

Re: The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread Frank Swarbrick
Meaningless nonsense buzzwords. From: Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:29 AM Subject: The IBM Strategy URL recently showed up in (ibm employee) linkedin group

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 27/03/2014 2:36, Charles Mills wrote: On the mainframe side, I don't think I've ever seen an automatic 30-day trial, largely because magic hidden files are of course greatly frowned upon in this space. Mainframe 30-day trials in my experience require vendor administration to generate some

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Phil Smith
The Sterling Software division I worked for did this, on VM, not MVS. The CPUID file was very robust, had in it: - Soft expiration (start warning) - Expiration (warn loudly) - Hard expiration (stop working) The file could contain keys for multiple CPUs, so you

Re: DS6800 disk - was support is ending for Windows XP - Microsoft Windows

2014-03-26 Thread Mike Schwab
I configure 4 IBM ESS F20 from a Win NT SP6 isolated PC. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:03 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl wrote: W dniu 2014-03-26 19:04, Pommier, Rex pisze: quote any site that has the SMC connected to an external network might want to reevaluate that /quote Therein

Re: The IBM Strategy

2014-03-26 Thread John Gilmore
Frank Swarbrick wrote: | Meaningless nonsense buzzwords. and it is easy to sympathize with his reaction; but he is wrong, dead wrong. IBM has, for example, made a large substantive and financial commitment to the cloud. Rhetorical conventions differ from one context to another, and in the

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 4657009561737029.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 03/26/2014 at 07:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: OK. An FTP server can't communicate with itself. I never said it could. I don't know why you're asking. Because that's the TCP/IP analog to NJE talking to itself.

Re: Metal C vs. HLASM - for C callable subroutine?

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3653742774909972.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 03/25/2014 at 06:03 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Actually, I can. That's an implementation technique. Suppose a Requirement for trilingual macros were to be submitted to IBM. They'd reject it. It's my

Re: Allocating file in Rex exec

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 219796.7982...@smtp110.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 03/26/2014 at 02:09 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Alloc fi(myddnam) da('my.pds.name(member)') shr I get an error routine not found That a sjorthand equivalent to Alloc fi(myddnam) da(' || my.pds.name(member) || ') shr The

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 3253568952062076.wa.elardus.engelbrechtsita.co...@listserv.ua.edu, on 03/26/2014 at 10:55 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za said: They're also called 'nagware'. They're nagging constantly, Those are the ones that I decide not to buy. interrupting your work, The

Re: Reflexivity (was: NJE Clarifications)

2014-03-26 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 0de6a9840123e547b061ac5b6765c026dda...@exmb-05.ad.wsu.edu, on 03/26/2014 at 06:03 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu said: I think that some of this is a real difference between the way the two protocols work. Not that I can see. I think that some of this is a real difference between the way

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Ed Gould
On Mar 26, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 27/03/2014 2:36, Charles Mills wrote: On the mainframe side, I don't think I've ever seen an automatic 30-day trial, largely because magic hidden files are of course greatly frowned upon in this space. Mainframe 30-day trials in my

Re: Metal C vs. HLASM - for C callable subroutine?

2014-03-26 Thread David Crayford
On 27/03/2014 12:20 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: David, I agree - this would be GREAT. I've asked IBM about this and I think that at the time they said that it was a known requirement. Will be asking again next week. In the meantime, I would suggest that all interested submit your requirements.

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Andrew Rowley
On 27/03/2014 14:40, Ed Gould wrote: This is not quite the same but something remotely similar. A LONG time ago (GT 40) years a vendor who thought he as clever needed to store a jobname in low memory. That's why I specified using standard, documented interfaces. It might be as simple as

Re: Ever see automatic 30-day trials for mainframe software?

2014-03-26 Thread Ed Jaffe
On 3/26/2014 9:20 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Right. Good input. Thanks. I have shipped software with a hard-coded expiration date. What I am looking for is a floating expiration date that would be 30 days after installation, whether installed today or a year from today. Our trial software