Hey R.S. ,
Boy I must have lived a sheltered "professional life", I have heard of some
of these not many thorough.
I worked at a past life we did LU 6.2 file xref and supported 26+ platforms
and a lot of variations of Unix.
But this was 15+ yrs ago, so times have changed and so have platforms.
On 4/17/20 5:41 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:
"New Scientist magazine noun stack contest submission date cutoff"
And then there are prepositions, always the oddest part of any language.
You heard what happened when the father brought the wrong bedtime story
into his son's room, right?
His son
I scanned this whole thread and I was surprised not to see Infoprint Server
mentioned. If the question is does anyone use Unix in a production job the
answer is yes. Lots of sites use Infoprint Server for production printing.
Infoprint Server uses Unix daemons and Unix files.
On Friday, April 17,
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 at 10:15, R.S. wrote:
>
> It's pleonasm.
>
> BTW: In Poland we also call it "masło maślane".
> It is hard to translate since masło is butter - noun (substantive). And
> maślane is butter - but adjective.
> What a language cannot distinguish between noun and adjective! English
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 at 17:51, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> ... DD: PATHOPTS ... And if ...The file does not exist,Then MVS performs an
>> open() function.
> Where does MVS do this? Converter? Interpreter? Initiator? Does SVC 99 also
> do it, and under what TCB?
One imagines Common Allocation
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>You mentioned several times about source code. IMHO it is irrelevant
>for UNIX certification. My understanding is "black box": anything which
>behaves as UNIX is UNIX. It can be written from scratch.
>Obviously, an access to source code seem to be much easier.
First of
W dniu 15.04.2020 o 07:59, Timothy Sipples pisze:
Charles Mills wrote:
A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux?
I replied:
Neither.
Charles Mills then replied:
Which *used to be* UNIX?
Still neither.
I can find no evidence that Microsoft ever obtained a UNIX(TM)
On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 2:15 AM Alan(GMAIL)Watthey
wrote:
> BPXWDYN is a Unix Service as far as I am concerned as it's part of z/OS
> Unix System Services. Check out which manual it's documented in. I
> suspect it's under the Unix FMID as well but I haven't checked that part.
>
> I consider
On 2020-04-16 2:36 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Isn't this all obsolete now? Linux and Windows are used everywhere and I
doubt anybody cares about POSIX certification.
Occasionally I bump into a RFP that includes the letters "POSIX" and/or
"UNIX." In principle anybody can put anything they want
willing to be corrected on that one. I certainly haven't used them all.
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>John,
>
>You make it s
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David Crayford asks:
>Isn't this all obsolete now? Linux and Windows are used everywhere and I
>doubt anybody cares about POSIX certification.
Occasionally I bump into a RFP that includes the letters "POSIX&qu
David Crayford asks:
>Isn't this all obsolete now? Linux and Windows are used everywhere and I
>doubt anybody cares about POSIX certification.
Occasionally I bump into a RFP that includes the letters "POSIX" and/or
"UNIX." In principle anybody can put anything they want in a RFP.
Scott Ford
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Charles Mills wrote:
>A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux?
I replied:
>Neither.
Charles Mills then replied:
>Which *used
Charles Mills wrote:
>A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux?
I replied:
>Neither.
Charles Mills then replied:
>Which *used to be* UNIX?
Still neither.
I can find no evidence that Microsoft ever obtained a UNIX(TM)
certification for any Windows operating system or
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It's pleonasm.
BTW: In Poland we also call it "masło maślane".
It is hard to translate since masło is butter - noun (substantive)
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>From my explorations, dubbing involves an OTCB hung off the TCB (can't say
for sure whether current or step) and various other control blocks (OAPB
be
>From my explorations, dubbing involves an OTCB hung off the TCB (can't say
for sure whether current or step) and various other control blocks (OAPB
being the one of interest) off of that.
sas
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> Does it get yo dubbed or does it get the
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Gil mentioned one case where BPXWDYN gets you dubbed: if you use MSG(2)
then the code probably uses the BPX1OPN/WRT syscalls
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> BTW: In Poland we also call it "masło maślane".
> It is hard to translate since masło is butter - noun (substantive). And
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> What a language cannot
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:59:54 +0300, Alan(GMAIL)Watthey wrote:
>John,
>
>You make it sound like Rexx and Unix are mutually exclusive. I have a Unix
>job that runs in production. Well, it depends on your definition of
>production of course. It actually runs on every system we have.
>
>It's
It's pleonasm.
BTW: In Poland we also call it "masło maślane".
It is hard to translate since masło is butter - noun (substantive). And
maślane is butter - but adjective.
What a language cannot distinguish between noun and adjective! English
has definitely to many overloaded words. ;-)
Now
W dniu 13.04.2020 o 14:06, John McKown pisze:
Other than the implicit use of UNIX by things such as FTP, I mean. In
particular I am speaking of keeping production data in a UNIX file, rather
than a legacy dataset; use of scripting via /bin/sh, awk, or other, use of
any of the BPX* UNIX callable
You're right (obviously).
Which *used to be* UNIX?
Charles
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 19:48:59 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
>Wasn't it Linus Torvalds who said Linux is not Unix?
I don't know if Linus said that, but when Richard Stallman started the
GNU project in 1983, he said that GNU stood for "GNU's not Unix".
In case you don't know, the GNU project
It’s my understanding that IBM’s implementation of z/OS Unix Systems
Services is Posix. There are programs , STCs in particular that are
integrated into USS as well as z/OS. To me z/OS is a hybrid of sorts using
both. I don’t think one can only look at z/OS or USS. That’s just my
opinion.
Scott
Agghh. Of course I meant CA-SPOOL.
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John,
You make it sound like Rexx and Unix are mutually exclusive. I have a Unix job
in so we can filter as we wish). We only have a
short history in /tmp/syslog but as big as we like in CA-VIEW.
Regards,
Alan
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Other than the implicit use of UNIX by things
Wasn't it Linus Torvalds who said Linux is not Unix?
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 6:33 PM Timothy Sipples wrote:
> Charles Mills wrote:
> >A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux?
>
> Neither.
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Neither.
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:50:58 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Where does MVS do this? Converter? Interpreter? Initiator? Does SVC 99 also do
>it, and under what TCB?
>Ever notice a typo that you were tempted to leave uncorrected? "Coverter"
>
Yes, it's done pretty covertly.
Authorized Assembler
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:50:58 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Where does MVS do this? Converter? Interpreter? Initiator? Does SVC 99 also do
>it, and under what TCB?
>Ever notice a typo that you were tempted to leave uncorrected? "Coverter"
>
Yes, it's done pretty covertly.
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>Al
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> Like talking about a VIN number or an ATM machine. It could be worse,
> though; I once heard someone
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>
> I assume you mean USS and not Linux on Z.
>
> I am not speaking out of school to say that Wells Fargo is a HUGE user of
> Linux on Z. Marcy Cortes has a SHARE talk &qu
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:40:07 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Allocation doesn't do an OPEN. But why call an SVC 99 interface to allocate a
>ddname that you plan to never OPEN?
>
From the JCL Ref.:
DD: PATHOPTS
...
And if:
• The file does not exist,
Then MVS performs an open() function. The
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:53:46 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>It's BPX[WDYN] because it was written for the benefit of U
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:53:46 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>It's BPX[WDYN] because it was written for the benefit of Unix users, although
>in practice it's used a lot outside of Unix. There is no dub.
>
>OTOH, if you allocate a path then you probably will want to open it, and that
>will cause
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Actually, I considered asserting that there is no such thing as running on z/OS
NOT under UNIX.
I believe that "z/OS is UNIX" is a true statement.
Most of us in this group think of z/OS as a bunch of traditional stuf
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:11:17 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Since Linux has never been certified as Unix, it seems reasonable that he
>means Unix System Services. I could find nothing in
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What about BPXWDYN from COBOL?
I know this is being done.
And I know of another using
I meant "virtual machine" as a metaphor, not in a technical sense.
Arguably not a great one, as it's much more integrated into its host than
any actual virtual machine is.
My point is that MVS runs the hardware, and USS depends on MVS.
sas
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I'll dispute that. MVS manages hardware, dispatching, memory, DASD* and
I/O. USS "rides" on the back of those. I grant that USS is Unix (and
Posix),
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I could be wrong, but I don't
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 17:46:05 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Make that any socket program, regardless of the language.
>
>If you're still running the Pascal TCP/IP protocol stack, I don;t want to know.
>
Interlink? CA? And yet I still see questions, perhaps more on IBMVM, about
: Monday, April 13, 2020 1:14 PM
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z/OS UNIX is nothing like a virtual machine running under z/OS.
It is a bunch of services (APIs) and programs that practically any z/OS job
or address space can use.
Like John mentioned
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Okay, make that "any C/C++" socket program.
Charles
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 19:18:06 +0200, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
>
>At one of the two sites, we experimented with USS, because it was a
>requirement for rDz,
>...
>To enable all users to use USS segments for rDz was a performance
>nightmare;
>
I have wondered previously in these lists whether more
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z/OS UNIX is nothing like a virtual machine running under z/OS.
It is a bunch of services (APIs) and programs that practically any z/OS job
or address space can use.
Like John mentioned, your COBOL program
Okay, make that "any C/C++" socket program.
Charles
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You are of course 100% correct technically but people refer colloquially to
Linux all the time as UNIX so it is not an unreasonable question as to the
writer's intent.
A trivia question: Which of these is UNIX? Windows Server or Linux
Am 13.04.2020 um 15:10 schrieb Charles Mills:
I assume you mean USS and not Linux on Z.
I am not speaking out of school to say that Wells Fargo is a HUGE user of Linux on Z.
Marcy Cortes has a SHARE talk "Penguins on the Stagecoach."
Any C or C++ program -- assuming the IBM C/C++ compilers --
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:00:41 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote:
>I could be wrong, but I don't believe that BPXWDYN actually uses Unix
>syscalls or would cause the AS to be dubbed.
>
Suppose the programmer specifies MSG(descriptor)? But that's
hardly useful without some other UNIX service to
z/OS UNIX is nothing like a virtual machine running under z/OS.
It is a bunch of services (APIs) and programs that practically any z/OS job
or address space can use.
Like John mentioned, your COBOL program running in a JES2 address space can
decide long after it starts to make a syscall by
I could be wrong, but I don't believe that BPXWDYN actually uses Unix
syscalls or would cause the AS to be dubbed.I think that the BPX prefix
is a little misleading. Ask on mvs-oe and you might get a definite answer
from the developer.
Kirk Wolf
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Tuna fish?
On 2020-04-13 12:09, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
How about a NIC card?
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Really? I never thought to wonder before now what "La Brea" means. In that
case I suppose it's like "rice pilaf", "the hoi polloi" and ... and ... dang,
there was another one that's slipped my mind now, food-related I think.
One of my favorite linguistic stories is about Captain Cook
The La Brea Tar Pits.
Charles
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Like talking about
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:31:13 -0400, Steve Thompson wrote:
>What about BPXWDYN from COBOL?
>
>I know this is being done.
>
>And I know of another using BPXWDY2 that will be production in the near future
>(alias entry to BPXWDYN).
>
BPXWDY{N|2} is hardly relevant to UNIX. It isn't mentioned in
Bourne again shell.
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I don't know from bash - I can barely spell it - but despite the popularity of
REXX among its adherents, including myself, it doesn't seem to ~me~ that
"everyone knows REXX". Didn't I see IBM trying to find REXX programmers to
work for them, a year or two ago?
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I'll dispute that. MVS manages hardware, dispatching, memory, DASD* and
I/O. USS "rides" on the back of those. I grant that USS is Unix (and
Posix), but it's practically a virtual machine on top of MVS. Contrast
with z/Linux.
sas
*... i.e. it's closer to the hardware anyway. USS filesystems
How about a NIC card?
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Like talking about a VIN number or an ATM machine. It could be worse, though;
I once heard someone refer (really!) to an "automatic ATM machine".
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What about BPXWDYN from COBOL?
I know this is being done.
And I know of another using BPXWDY2 that will be production in the near future
(alias entry to BPXWDYN).
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> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:22 AM, John
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:11:17 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>Since Linux has never been certified as Unix, it seems reasonable that he
>means Unix System Services. I could find nothing in the current manuals to
>suggest that dubbing is mandatory.
>
I wonder nowadays which comes closer to the
As is TSO.
>
> Charles
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Kirk Wolf wrote:
> Do you mean -
>
> - using z/OS Unix syscalls?
>
Yes. Such as a COBOL program doing a CALL to BPX1SLP to "sleep" for a
while. No, I don't know why they would use that example, I just chose it.
> - using the z/OS Unix file system?
>
Yes to
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Since Linux has never been certified as Unix, it seems reasonable that he
means Unix System Services. I
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Do you mean -
- using z/OS Unix syscalls?
- using the z/OS Unix file system?
- using the z/OS Unix shel
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Do you mean -
- using z/OS Unix syscalls?
- using the z/OS Unix file system?
- using the z/OS Unix shell?
FWIW - I contend
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On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:32 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>Any C or C++ program -- assuming the IBM C/C++ compilers -- is using USS (I
>would say USS services but that would be redundant). So I guess all of the
>customers for my Cor
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I assume you mean USS and not Linux on Z.
I am not speaking out of school to say
Do you mean -
- using z/OS Unix syscalls?
- using the z/OS Unix file system?
- using the z/OS Unix shell?
FWIW - I contend that there is no such thing as "running under Unix" on
z/OS. All please discuss :-)
On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:07 AM John McKown
wrote:
> Other than the implicit use of
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 06:10:32 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>Any C or C++ program -- assuming the IBM C/C++ compilers -- is using USS (I
>would say USS services but that would be redundant). So I guess all of the
>customers for my CorreLog -- now BMC -- security product are "using UNIX."
>
Are
On 4/13/20 6:06 AM, John McKown wrote:
Just curious. I use awk at times for doing stuff in my personal activities.
But my manager dislikes UNIX so I can't use it in any of my "production"
jobs because "nobody knows UNIX" and "everybody knows REXX".
I had that problem.
I pointed out there were
2020 5:07 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?
Other than the implicit use of UNIX by things such as FTP, I mean. In
particular I am speaking of keeping production data in a UNIX file, rather
than a legacy dataset; use of scripting via /bin/sh, awk,
Other than the implicit use of UNIX by things such as FTP, I mean. In
particular I am speaking of keeping production data in a UNIX file, rather
than a legacy dataset; use of scripting via /bin/sh, awk, or other, use of
any of the BPX* UNIX callable services.
Just curious. I use awk at times for
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