Re: Deleting Alias

I was able to do the following 1. Def a new PDS 2. Def alias. Def alias (name(mytsoid.cattest.cntl) relate(tsoid.test cat.cntl) This was successful 3. Def another alias with my altid. Also successful Going to ispf 3.4. I bring up my dataset group I then enter on an alias Del alias / This wa

Re: Deleting Alias

In , on 08/21/2013 at 10:21 PM, John Gilmore said: >In one shop, call it S to protect the guilty, the applications >programmers were very reluctant, perhaps for sentimental reasons, to >give up using it long after any rationale for doing so had >disappeared. Making IEWL440 an alias for a more

Re: Deleting Alias

Another thing to add : The normal Alias deletion with : DEL ZOS.LUT.SAMPJCL ALIAS does not deletes the alias but a CATALOG parameter with CAT(ICF.RND.CATX) deletes the alias. Not sure why it is not picking up the usercatalog automatically during deletion. On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:19 PM, mf db w

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Hello, Below is the result of LISTCAT against the NONVSAM which I was trying to relate and I find there are two Alias being associated. 1IDCAMS SYSTEM SERVICES TIME: 0NONVSAM --- ZOS.SAMPLJCL HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATI

Re: Deleting Alias

On 8/21/2013 10:21 PM, John Gilmore wrote: In one shop, call it S to protect the guilty, the applications programmers were very reluctant, perhaps for sentimental reasons, to give up using it long after any rationale for doing so had disappeared. Making IEWL440 an alias for a more storage-intens

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I did not wish to deprecate the [appropriate] use of catalog aliases. Once, long ago, there was a configuration of the linkage editor called IEWL440 that operated very sedately but used little [then real], storage to do its job. In one shop, call it S to protect the guilty, the applications progra

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t: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:26 AM :>: To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU :>: Subject: Re: Deleting Alias :>: :>: Ok, :>: :>: 1 ) I did deleted the alias pointing to the usercatalog.- RC-0 and Alias :>: did not appear in listcat against the NON-VSAM dataset. :>: 2 ) Again I define

Re: Deleting Alias

In , on 08/21/2013 at 08:11 AM, Skip Robinson said: >Catalog aliases (as opposed to PDS member aliases) have two different > uses. 3. MLA -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see We don't care. We don't have

Re: Deleting Alias

Data-set aliases are certainly useful for keeping such names as ASSEMBLE or BIND unchanged when new versions are brought into use. They permit an installation to control which version default-taking users will invoke. I made my comment because it seemed to me that things were being done or, better

Re: Deleting Alias

On 8/21/2013 10:39 AM, John Gilmore wrote: Aliases are most useful for PDS and PDSE members, and they are handled very differently in the two. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As useful as member aliases are, I find data set aliases more useful. For example, our third party products were

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California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 626-302-7535 Office > 323-715-0595 Mobile > jo.skip.robin...@sce.com > > > > From: mf db > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, > Date: 08/21/2013 08:26 AM > Subject:Re:

Re: Deleting Alias

:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Deleting Alias Hello, I was able to delete a alias from a usercatalog with a below parms : DEL ENTRYNAME ALIAS CAT(USERCAT) Defining alias to a Non Vsam : DEF ALIAS (NAME(XX..)- RELATE('X..ZZZ.')) But when I tried checking

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Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of mf db Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias The NOSCRATCH does not takes up : DEL .linklib ALIAS CATALOG(ICF.UCAT.CAT2) NOSCRATCH IDC3226I INCONSISTENT PARAMETERS

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From: mf db To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 08/21/2013 08:26 AM Subject:Re: Deleting Alias Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List The NOSCRATCH does not takes up : DEL .linklib ALIAS CATALOG(ICF.UCAT.CAT2) NOSCRATCH IDC3226I INCONSISTENT PARAMETERS INVOLVING

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n Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 626-302-7535 Office > 323-715-0595 Mobile > jo.skip.robin...@sce.com > > > > From: mf db > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, > Date: 08/21/2013 07:40 AM > Subject:Re: Deleting

Re: Deleting Alias

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:25:48 +0530, mf db wrote: > >But I am not able to create and relate with same alias and I get a >duplicate dataset entry. Here the background is that I am trying to use >this alias in one of our proclibs. > If the alias has the same name as the related data set, it would see

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302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: mf db To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 08/21/2013 07:40 AM Subject:Re: Deleting Alias Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Elardus, I tried viewing via ISMF and I could see the alias entry pointing

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: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias Lizette, But I am not able to create and relate with same alias and I get a duplicate dataset entry. Here the background is that I am trying to use this alias in one of our proclibs. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote

Re: Deleting Alias

This problem seems unclear because of the two catalog ALIAS uses. One for the HLQ that probably points to a user catlg and another for the DSN alias pointing to a user catlg. Ensure that both are pointing to the same catalog. Is there an ALIAS entry for the HLQ? Cliff McNeill > > I was a

Re: Deleting Alias

> -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of mf db > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:40 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Deleting Alias > > Elardus, > > I tried viewing via ISMF and I cou

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. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of mf db Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias Elardus, I tried viewing via ISMF and I could see the alias entry

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Elardus, I tried viewing via ISMF and I could see the alias entry pointing the same usercatalog, but when I type Browse agains the alias I get a message as "Dataset not catalogued" On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:17:27 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote

Re: Deleting Alias

Aliases are most useful for PDS and PDSE members, and they are handled very differently in the two. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@l

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 07:17:27 -0700, Lizette Koehler wrote: > >DEF TED.MY.FILE ALIAS RELATE(BOB.MY.FILE) then both BOB hlq and TED hlq >must be in MYUCAT1 > You can control which catalog the TED alias is created in, but if the catalogs are different you lose either way. If you create TED in BOB's

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db Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:20 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias Lizette, The LISTCAT shows that both the values are pointing to the same usercatalog. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Lizette Koehler wrote: > Note in the definition of the DEF AL

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parameter in the DEF ... ALIAS RELATE() function Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of mf db Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Deleting Alias Hello, I was able to

Re: Deleting Alias

Sent: 21 August 2013 16:08 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +, Tidy, David (D) wrote: >The alias will be created in the same catalog as the related object Are you sure? The AMS manual doesn't say that, as far as I can see. In

Re: Deleting Alias

mf db wrote: >"n ISPF 3.4, put in the '/' on the line for "include additional qualifiers"" >It is there... Then you have messy problems. What is your TSO PREFIX setting? >> I was able to delete a alias from a usercatalog with a below parms : >> DEL ENTRYNAME ALIAS CAT(USERCAT) Did you do a LIST

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t; > > > Lizette > > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of mf db > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 3:44 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Deleting Alias > > Hello, >

Re: Deleting Alias

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 09:07:51 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote: > >In any case, unless both the alias and the data set name resolve to >the same user catalog, the alias is worthless. > That is one of the dumber design decisions I have ever encountered. Simply, alias resolution should search for the RELAT

Re: Deleting Alias

On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:25:36 +, Tidy, David (D) wrote: >The alias will be created in the same catalog as the related object Are you sure? The AMS manual doesn't say that, as far as I can see. In any case, unless both the alias and the data set name resolve to the same user catalog, the ali

Re: Deleting Alias

essage- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of mf db > Sent: 21 August 2013 12:44 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Deleting Alias > > Hello, > > I was able to delete a alias from a usercatalog with a below parm

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V.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Deleting Alias Its already removed... On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Richards, Robert B. < robert.richa...@opm.gov> wrote: > On 3.4, remove the "/" from __ Prefix Dsname Level > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Lis

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On > Behalf Of mf db > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:44 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Deleting Alias > > Hello, > > I was able to delete a alias from a usercatalog with a below parms : > > DEL ENTRYNAME ALIAS CAT(USERCAT) > > Defining

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On 3.4, remove the "/" from __ Prefix Dsname Level -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of mf db Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 6:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Deleting Alias Hello, I was able t

Deleting Alias

Hello, I was able to delete a alias from a usercatalog with a below parms : DEL ENTRYNAME ALIAS CAT(USERCAT) Defining alias to a Non Vsam : DEF ALIAS (NAME(XX..)- RELATE('X..ZZZ.')) But when I tried checking the alias with ISPF 3.4 option I couldn't see the entry being visib