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So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and
possibly in mixed company? I
So would you rather call someone the a-word or the c-word, in public and
possibly in mixed company? I don't use either, myself (except when reading
aloud), but I don't pause if someone uses the former around me.
If the question doesn't seem sensible to you, maybe just tell yourself
"there's no
On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:59, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> And bum is equivalent to the a-word.
Yes of course, but there's still a difference in severity been (say) calling
someone an a*s/ar*e and the other ... though there is (in Scotland, and
for all I know elsewhere too) a vernacular way (maybe
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ...
Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ...
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2023, at 13:11, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> I also don't understand why fanny pack is offensive ...
Fanny is equivalent to the c-word ...
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' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".'
Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus t
' Well, UK English can also get us Americans in trouble, e.g., "fanny".'
Yep, made that mistake once. My wife and I were on a bus tour in Ireland and I
asked my wife to get something out of her fanny pack and a trio of English
ladies quickly corrected me on that usage…
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Michael
(Coming in a bit late on this thread)
As others have said, 'kicks' and Hursley are closely related (or rather,
_were_. It is my understanding that Hursley Grange is now some sort of IBM
museum.)
The local no. 66 bus goes between Romsey and Winchester via Hursley, so -
at least at some point in the
On Mon, 20 Mar 2023, at 02:23, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> Also Kipling.
Kindling ??(sorry)
>
> The root is from "bundle" of sticks and small pieces of wood, and by
> expansion to bundles of other things.
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Also Kipling.
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 21:28, Bob Bridges wrote:
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> I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
> back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
> fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
The root is from "bundle" of sticks
I'm pretty sure it's not only British authors, but American too if one goes
back far enough, whom I caught using "faggot" to mean a piece of wood for a
fire. From there to a cigarette is an easy step.
How the word came to describe an underclassman at a British boarding school,
required to run
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023 at 13:22, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> Are "route" and "rut" related?
"Pronunciation:
Brit. pronunciation/rʌt/,
U.S. pronunciation/rət/
Forms:
α. 1500s rutte, 1500s–1600s rutt, 1500s– rut, 1600s rupt.
β. 1500s rotte, 1500s (1900s– English regional (west midlands and
southern))
On Sun, 19 Mar 2023, at 18:04, Colin Paice wrote:
> I got into trouble with the Americans ( from the days when people were
> allowed to smoke in the office) in a presentation with a chart saying " 10
> minute fag break"
That might have been misinterpreted here in the UK too, if those present
were
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> In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you
> don't look it up.
> I was always surprised that
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
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> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is
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Thank you very much,
the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language,
roden is the infinitive form.
"Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc.
a "nor
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In Australia "rooter" means something rather different, so I suggest you
don't look it up.
I was always surprised that most o
The word you're looking for is "aspirated": you're noticing the difference
between aspirated and unaspirated /k/. In English, the two sounds are
recognized as different realizations of the same phoneme (allophonic).
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:34 AM Bob Bridges wrote:
> If you'll allow me just a
I grew up in Minnesota, and visited grandparents a few times every summer in
Wisconsin, which we pronounced "wih-SKAHN-sun". Then in my high-school years
we moved to Pennsylvania, where I noticed they pronounced it "wiss-KAHN-sun",
the 's' moved firmly from the second to the first syllable. I
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Hi Andrew,
This reminds me of the time I had temporarily been part of a team to do
an ACF2->RACF conversion at a large Canadian bank.
(That is a whole story in itself and almost cost me my IBM job.)
Anyway ... There was this customer person, who in every meeting kept
pronouncing it Ra-KEFF.
On 18/03/2023 11:54 pm, Bob Bridges wrote:
Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye see ess" and "eye em
ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see eff" instead of "rack-eff".
RACF always amused me, because "rack off" is a (Australian?) way
Most of those are familiar to me, but I've always said "eye dee cams" and "zee
oh ess". "SQL" I hear both ways, and pronounce it according to my mood at the
time.
Never heard of "IFOX00".
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Ah! I always thought "loaf" in that context was a reference to the shape of
the head, like "nut". Although come to think of it, maybe "nut" (for
"nutbread") is rhyming slang too.
I wonder how many other rhyming-slang items have made their way into American
English without our being aware of
or our international friends (mostly)
How do you say "CICS"? In my experience, Americans mostly say
"see-eye-see-ess"; Brits say "kicks"; Canadians are a mixture; and Italians
say "cheeks" (which makes perfect sense, following Italian pronunciation
rules). If
It might be my memory, then.
As it happens, using CICS maps laid some of the groundwork for programming
3270 datastreams the hard way (addresses in base 64, Start Field Extended
and so on).
Roops
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Was some CICS work done in Denver?
Yes, before it came to Hursley.
Also "Denver foot hill" was used However, I insist in
Dieter Fritz Hans (since the krauts made it in the beginning)
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South of England:
CICS 'kicks'
IMS 'eye em ess'
VSAM 'vee sam'
IDCAMS 'id cams' (id rhymes with lid)
zOS 'zed oss' ('zee arse' makes me snigger internally :-) )
JES3 'jez three'
SQL 'sequel'
IFOX00 'eye fox zero zero'
Incidentally, the DHF prefix in CICS was explained to me as 'Denver Forest
Yes, although it's "A for 'orses" (hay for horses) and so it goes part-way
to explaining itself.
Proper rhyming slang doesn't explain itself and you just need to know that
"loaf" -> "loaf of bread" -> head. Thus "Use your loaf!" was one I heard
throughout my teens :-)
Roops
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023,
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 12:47, Bob Bridges wrote:
> I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how
> to decipher it.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockney_Alphabet
where there's explanations.
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Now that you mention this, I guess I'm being inconsistent when I say "see eye
see ess" and "eye em ess", but privately chuckle when ignorami say "are ay see
eff" instead of "rack-eff".
I've heard "zoss", but I can't imagine ever adopting it.
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I suppose this is based on rhyming slang? I wouldn't begin to know how to
decipher it.
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I'm a Texan ( it's a whole nother country 鸞). I have started saying zed
like the Brits. Zee is too easy to confuse with cee, tee, and pee.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023, 16:00 Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
> hour into my talk, one of
owt , but they all
> agree they get their kicks (CICS?) on root 66.
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 01:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronouncia
Thank you very much,
the 2nd word is "roden" in today's German language,
roden is the infinitive form.
"Ich rode, Du rodest, er rodet, ..." etc.
a "normal" German verb.
Roden means: cut a (large amount) of trees and leave an area without trees
(Google translate says: clearing, the German word
Back in the days of analogue mobile phones, I used phonetics a lot!
Once or twice, I used the Cockney phonetics ;-)
A for 'orses
B for mutton
C for miles
...
X for breakfast
Y for girlfriend
Z for a joke (i.e. 'said for a joke')
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, 00:23 Bob Bridges, wrote:
> Under marginal
>
>
> I have been sayyng kicks for as long as I have been involved in IBM
mainframe, starting in the US in 1982 and on and off until now. The US is
not my home country so I count myself as international.
Note that since CICS came from Hursley and the Brits say kicks, then that
is the right
On Fri, 17 Mar 2023 at 21:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
>
> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is, because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I
> learned in
> the end, that BOTH ways are correct, like
In the US, I've heard only ROW-ter (or ROUT-er if you prefer) for both
kinds. But you can hear both pronunciations, "ROOT" and "ROUT", for "route"
as in a county road. I think "root" was more usual when I grew up in
Minnesota, but "rowt" is more what I hear here in NC.
...Which is ironic, sort
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023, at 01:38, Bernd Oppolzer wrote:
> Very interesting discussion.
>
> I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
> word "router" is,
> because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in
> the end, that BOTH
> ways are correct, like
Very interesting discussion.
I recently tried to understand what the correct pronounciation of the
word "router" is,
because here in Germany there are different opinions. And I learned in
the end, that BOTH
ways are correct, like "rooter" and (don't know how to spell the other,
maybe)
I once had to call Mercedes-Benz Customer Service to let them know I had
purchased a new (to me) used car. I gave them the VIN using the iCAO
phonetics. The customer service rep commented on how it was refreshing to
get someone who knew how to give letters phonetically...
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at
Under marginal conditions (which includes cell-phone calls) I use alpha / bravo
/ charlie / ... / x-ray / yankee / zulu. But "zed" is probably unmistakable.
I'm always surprised how many help-desk folks are perfectly comfortable with
that alphabet.
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I'm pretty sure Wayne was kidding. But heck, who can resist a little pedantry
now and then?
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Spelling over adverse voice transmission is best dealt with by using
the NATO phonetic alphabet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_phonetic_alphabet
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 5:18 PM Jay Maynard wrote:
>
> I've always pronounced my ham callsign kay five zed see ...but I use "zee"
> elsewhere.
I've always pronounced my ham callsign kay five zed see ...but I use "zee"
elsewhere. "Zed" works better under marginal conditions.
On Fri, Mar 17, 2023 at 4:00 PM Wayne Bickerdike wrote:
> I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
> hour into my talk, one of the
On Mar 17, 2023, at 3:59 PM, Wayne Bickerdike
mailto:wayn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Always amazed how US English strayed from the home origins.
Sorry to be pedantic (language history is kind of a hobby of mine), but British
English has “strayed” from what it was in the 17th and 18th centuries as
I work with a French Canadian living in Montreal, I think it is, who says
"zed". I flinch a little each time; I keep thinking I'll get used to it, but
so far it keeps catching me by surprise.
We're both mainframers so it's "zed oh ess" this and "zed secure" that and by
now you'd think I'd
Quite. I said a VOICED 's', which is the 'z' sound.
To understand what that means, try hissing a long 's' sound, but speak while
you're doing it. If you're not sure how to do that, try singing it. When you
say 's' with your voice going at the same time, it comes out like a 'z' sound.
Or,
In American English that is not entirely the case. We do not say
Sebra for Zebra, nor do we say Sulu for Zulu. The distinction may
be slight, but there is a difference.
Just say'n'.
Steve Thompson
On 3/17/2023 4:34 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe
I was giving a talk to some of our guys in Phoenix about REXX. About an
hour into my talk, one of the guys said, "excuse me, what is 'zed'' ". Oops
"zee".
Always amazed how US English strayed from the home origins.
In the North of England we always said zebbra not zeebra. Sarf and Norf are
In Portuguese, we pronounce it like "six".
Best Regards
Ituriel do Nascimento Neto
z/OS System Programmer
Em sexta-feira, 17 de março de 2023 às 17:35:02 BRT, Bob Bridges
escreveu:
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe the Italians pronounce it 'ts' like the
In English the letter 'z' is a voiced 's'.
I believe the Italians pronounce it 'ts' like the Germans.
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Having worked at IBM in the US for 20 years I rarely heard C I C SAnd
personally always said ‘kicks’
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> On Mar 17, 2023, at 15:15, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> How do you say "CICS"?
>
>
> --
There is a (sort of) rule, that C before I and E is pronounced like T-S
(or S in France, I guess),
but before other vocals like K (as in coffee).
So for us in Germany, CICS as t-s-icks is logical.
Kind regards
Bernd
Am 17.03.2023 um 21:10 schrieb Bernd Oppolzer:
not exactly "six" ... more
Each day they stray further from Jod...
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not exactly "six" ... more like "tsix", the first letter sounds like a Z
in Germany,
a letter T followed by a letter S.
It comes to my mind that most other languages don't pronounce the letter
Z this way,
only we Germans do ... the other (like French and English) simply say S.
For example
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I said "see-eye-see-ess" for years, and still do as a matter of habit. In the
US I sometimes but rarely hear "kicks". But recently I've heard "kicks"
more often, and try to remember to say it that
Hi Guillaume,
I've worked with many Quebeckers who say G-C-L for JCL.
Regards,
David
On 2023-03-17 15:41, Boesel Guillaume wrote:
In France, we say mostly "céé I céé éss" ("I" like in "ship" and not like "Hi").
Few say "kicks".
Guillaume
In France, we say mostly "céé I céé éss" ("I" like in "ship" and not like "Hi").
Few say "kicks".
Guillaume
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I’ve heard Germans say ‘six’; in Dutch we say ‘kicks’ like the Brits.
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> On 17 Mar 2023, at 20:15, Phil Smith III wrote:
>
> How do you say "CICS"? In my experience, Americans mostly say
> "see-eye-see-ess"; Brits say "kicks"; Canadians are a mixture; and Italians
> say "cheeks" (which
I said "see-eye-see-ess" for years, and still do as a matter of habit. In
the US I sometimes but rarely hear "kicks". But recently I've heard "kicks"
more often, and try to remember to say it that way too at installations
where it seems to be the norm. It doesn't come naturally though.
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How do you say "CICS"? In my experience, Americans mostly say
"see-eye-see-ess"; Brits say "kicks"; Canadians are a mixture; and Italians
say "cheeks" (which makes perfect sense, following Italian pronunciation
rules). If your native language isn't English, how do YOU say it?
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