here is a movie where a NASA employee compares Ruby
EJB, and a few other technologies:
Sorry, just noticed this line giggled.
Nick
On Jun 25, 2006, at 5:57 AM, Erik Hatcher wrote:
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:02 PM, josh zeidner wrote:
Why is it that every Ruby expert that I run into has
On Jun 24, 2006, at 10:02 PM, josh zeidner wrote:
Why is it that every Ruby expert that I run into has
absolutely nothing to show?
I've never claimed to be a Ruby expert, and it'll be quite a while
before I could claim even being close. I barely claim expertise in
Java, and in that
btw- community walk is very similar to Ning. Have
you ever seen Ning? jmz
--- Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/24/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Why is it that every Ruby expert that I run into
has
absolutely nothing to show?
I'm definitely not an expert,
And in OGNL it's similar to apply an _expression_ to any collection,
enumeration or iterator:
parent.children.{ #this.doSomething() }
or you can filter any collection, enumeration or iterator using
filteredItems = parent.children.{? name.startsWith("foo") }
This is what Buddha would have
Just curious, what sites have you done using RoR?
-jmz
--- Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:
Can't you feel the peace and contentment in this
block of code? Ruby
is the language Buddha would have programmed in.
Yeah, being
sarcasm
Its no where near the level of peace and contentment
that ruby offers. There's just something so darn cool
about Ruby I cant seem to put my finger on it. Maybe
its the cool graphics. Maybe its the videos and the
fact that ruby programmers use Macs. Maybe its that
it hasent showed up
Hi Erik,
After having worked with countless web frameworks
and dozens of languages I will say this: What you
gain in development effort and 'syntactic sugar' you
lose in performance. As all these sites prop up I
just give it a year or two before people start
marketing themselves as
Well, lets be empirical. Here's a real Rails site: http://communitywalk.com
communitywalk.com is a RoR site that was developed at my current
employer, usually by one or two pairs at a time, with most of the work
done by the site owner (who is an employee too). I didn't work on it
much (was
On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:15 PM, josh zeidner wrote:
After having worked with countless web frameworks
and dozens of languages I will say this: What you
gain in development effort and 'syntactic sugar' you
lose in performance.
But Ruby is not just a sugar coating of syntax.
As all these
--- Erik Hatcher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jun 24, 2006, at 5:15 PM, josh zeidner wrote:
After having worked with countless web
frameworks
and dozens of languages I will say this: What you
gain in development effort and 'syntactic sugar'
you
lose in performance.
But Ruby
On 6/24/06, josh zeidner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why is it that every Ruby expert that I run into has
absolutely nothing to show?
I'm definitely not an expert, but I just showed you
http://communitywalk.com in another post. http://zubio.com is another
one we have done. There are a couple
On Jun 21, 2006, at 9:08 PM, josh zeidner wrote:
RoR: Why? because its Web 2.0( see CMP Media
scandal ). The whole Web 2.0 thing( which RoR is
invariably linked to ) has turned out to be a very
stupid multi-level marketing scheme starring Tim
O'Reilly. RoR offers no technological
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:44 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:
Can't you feel the peace and contentment in this block of code? Ruby
is the language Buddha would have programmed in.
Yeah, being pragmatic, Buddha probably would be using RoR. The more
idealistic of us would likely be doing Smalltalk.
And if you want to be wowed by what a difference a programming
language makes, check out the video of DabbleDB:
http://www.dabbledb.com/
Sure, you could program this same thing in Perl CGI, assembly
language, C, Java, etc, but it was done using Seaside and the beauty
of what is
At 09:44 AM 6/22/2006, Chad wrote:
Cool. I checked out the REXML page. This quote is great:
Some of the common differences are that the Ruby API relies on block
enumerations, rather than iterators. For example, the Java code:
for (Enumeration
On 6/22/06, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr. Ralph Griswold (creator or SNOBOL and Icon programming languages)
used to say that there's really nothing new under the sun in CS, it's all
recycled.
Yep, you certainly can get a lot of mileage out of just 1's and 0's...
I have to note
There was a Smalltalk/Squeak web framework that got some noticed at
OOPSLA 2004 called Seaside 2. I think there was a similar version
done for Java called Lakeshore.
On 6/22/06, Chad Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/22/06, Thomas Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dr. Ralph Griswold (creator
.
-Original Message-
From: Thomas Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:29 PM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices
Hopefully not.
I didn't ask which app framework is better?
I asked a specific question of Rick
On 6/20/06, Rick Hightower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[snip]
Injection via an abstract getter, anyone?Shudder?
shudder.
I think I have grasped it (but I enjoy complex stuff), but to use it on alarge team... YIKES! There is going to be a lot of developer body bags.
[snip]
Granted Tapestry is very
however that power begets
complexity.
Tapestry 5 should focus on developer productivity.
Well you asked.
-Original Message-
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To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
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Yeah, but what about Ruby on Rails?! ;)
My current projects (yes, more than one) consist of a RoR front-end
and a Solr (http://incubator.apache.org/solr
, 2006 12:16 PM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework
choices
you may have just started the next religious war
On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Hicks wrote:
Hey Rick,
You raise an issue I've been looking at lately:
the pros cons
Flame bait?
From: cara
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006
9:17 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] App
Dev Framework choices
On 6/20/06, Rick Hightower
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
[snip]
Injection via an abstract
things broadens you horizons and
understanding of development in general.
-Original Message-
From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:15 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
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--- Rick Hightower
On Jun 21, 2006, at 10:02 AM, Warner Onstine wrote:
Solr looks pretty slick! Thanks for pointing this one out Erik. Any
idea when it's coming out of incubator status?
Solr is where it's at... hear me now, believe me later. As for the
incubator... who knows? It's very mature as it is and
On Jun 21, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Chad Woolley wrote:
lowercase web services? What do you use to talk XML on the RoR
side? One of the Ruby SOAP implementations, something homegrown, or
something else?
Currently Solr returns back a custom XML layout and accepts a custom
format. These are
for him. Python is also cool.
thanks, jmz
-Original Message-
From: josh zeidner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 10:15 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: RE: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework
choices
--- Rick Hightower [EMAIL
To Rick:
I really haven't had a chance to use either of the framework
(Spring.NET nor NHibernate) but I've tracked their progress. I caught
a podcast from one of the devs for Spring.NET and it sounded like they
was a fair amount of interest in the project. NHibernate hit version
1 around the
-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework
choices
you may have just started the next religious war
On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Hicks wrote:
Hey Rick,
You raise an issue I've been looking at lately:
the pros cons
of various web app dev frameworks. I
and process management curve.
-tom
At 12:36 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote:
Flame bait?
--
From: cara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:17 AM
To: jug-discussion@tucson-jug.org
Subject: Re: [jug-discussion] App Dev Framework choices
On 6/20/06, Rick Hightower
you may have just started the next religious war
On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:30 AM, Thomas Hicks wrote:
Hey Rick,
You raise an issue I've been looking at lately: the pros cons
of various web app dev frameworks. I was motivated by my lack
of knowledge about what's out there and inspired by Matt
Hopefully not.
I didn't ask which app framework is better?
I asked a specific question of Rick (and others) from his experience
When would you choose to use Tapestry over JSF/Facelets?
I was hoping for a summary based on his experiences with various frameworks.
cheers,
-tom
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