Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Harald Sitter
I for one would pick the alternative which is not using our infrastructure and instead click two buttons so I don't have to file paperwork manually nor have to wait for said paperwork to get faxed to HQ for approval. i.e. not waiting trumps waiting in my world. On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Albe

How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a very > > long > > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the > > many > > tech startups with a bunch of little to no experience but fancy new chat > > systems, to

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution (was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Christian Loosli - 09.08.17, 22:26: > > Who's going to pick all those projects up after them? I'd like > > to think that young enthusiasts with lots of energy and potential, > > exactly what those heroes starting the original KDE were. > > Who is going to be there for these new talents that lack e

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Ben Cooksley
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Harald Sitter wrote: > I for one would pick the alternative which is not using our > infrastructure and instead click two buttons so I don't have to file > paperwork manually nor have to wait for said paperwork to get faxed to > HQ for approval. i.e. not waiting tr

Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Thomas Pfeiffer - 10.08.17, 00:15: > Just in case my other email linking to the Etherpad was overlooked by some > of you because it was buried too deep in the thread: > > Let's make this discussion productive by collecting the requirements KDE has > for a chat / IM system to become our standard in

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

2017-08-10 Thread Eike Hein
On 08/09/2017 07:19 AM, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Must-have: - dfaure is there so I can ask KIO questions (IRC fails that currently.) Cheers, Eike

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Luigi Toscano
Il 10 agosto 2017 10:02:43 EEST, Harald Sitter ha scritto: >I for one would pick the alternative which is not using our >infrastructure and instead click two buttons so I don't have to file >paperwork manually nor have to wait for said paperwork to get faxed to >HQ for approval. i.e. not waiting t

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Luigi Toscano
Il 10 agosto 2017 10:24:08 EEST, Martin Steigerwald ha scritto: >Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: >> > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a >very >> > long >> > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of >the >> > many >> > tech startups w

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Harald Sitter
Seems to me y'all aren't appreciating that I am telling you my point of view. I have created some 20 repos on github last year and 0 scratch repos on our infrastructure. I thought you might want to know why. Feel free to find my reasons silly, that doesn't change them though. I am did not mean to

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Luigi Toscano
Il 10 agosto 2017 11:45:14 EEST, Harald Sitter ha scritto: >Seems to me y'all aren't appreciating that I am telling you my point >of view. One thing is say "adding an easier workflow for scratch repo to our infra is much required for this and that", which I can agree too; another is going str

Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad (Was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

2017-08-10 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Thursday 10 August 2017 00:15:21 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > Just in case my other email linking to the Etherpad was overlooked by some > of you because it was buried too deep in the thread: > > Let's make this discussion productive by collecting the requirements KDE has > for a chat / IM system t

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Thursday 10 August 2017 10:45:14 Harald Sitter wrote: > Seems to me y'all aren't appreciating that I am telling you my point > of view. I have created some 20 repos on github last year and 0 > scratch repos on our infrastructure. I thought you might want to know > why. Feel free to find my reaso

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 10:22, Luigi Toscano wrote: > > Il 10 agosto 2017 10:24:08 EEST, Martin Steigerwald ha > scritto: >> Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a >> very long history and contributors of all age. I'd

Re: Please participate in the requirements Etherpad (Was: Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat)

2017-08-10 Thread Adriaan de Groot
On Thursday 10 August 2017 10:57:29 Adriaan de Groot wrote: > This is a microcosm, a textbook example, a beautiful illustration of > exactly what the culture-worries in the IM thread are about Perhaps to clarify: the above is a philosophical point (see what happens when you start messing around

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus

2017-08-10 Thread Jonathan Riddell
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 09:24:08AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > *Either* IRC and nothing else *or* something new and nothing else. > > Seriously? > > I mean: Seriously? I'm always serious :) But sure it's a long shot and I never expected it to happen, but I thought I'd try. Moving whole

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Christian Loosli
> What I’ve argued strongly against is the standpoint that we should stick > with the status quo. The status quo _is_ things with the advantages of Telegram or Matrix available, since these two are already bridged. Hence my earlier > Last but not least: if IRC really is so much of an issue, w

Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution

2017-08-10 Thread Jonathan Riddell
On Wed, Aug 09, 2017 at 08:51:53PM +0200, Christian Loosli wrote: > Then, on the subject of emojis, stickers or even the protocol used being so > important: > > Let's see what others do. My proposal is to lead rather than follow others. We can learn from their experience but leading would be

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Jos van den Oever
Op donderdag 10 augustus 2017 11:06:21 CEST schreef Adriaan de Groot: > On Thursday 10 August 2017 10:45:14 Harald Sitter wrote: > > Seems to me y'all aren't appreciating that I am telling you my point > > of view. I have created some 20 repos on github last year and 0 > > scratch repos on our infr

Re: github, phabricator: a new threadZ

2017-08-10 Thread Harald Sitter
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Adriaan de Groot wrote: > Perhaps we should ask sitter what kinds of scratch repo's those were, and > whether he would have created them on KDE infra, if there was a similarly > simple one-click way to create scratch repo's. - experimental snap build tooling for

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Marco Martin
On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote: > You can't expect me to read a 200 messages backlog in 20 channels just in case > something important was said while i was away. > > Also one of the reasons of why i hate to use Telegram for anything that > "actually matters" is this "alway

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
> On 10 Aug 2017, at 15:27, Marco Martin wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 7:57 PM, Albert Astals Cid wrote: >> You can't expect me to read a 200 messages backlog in 20 channels just in >> case >> something important was said while i was away. >> >> Also one of the reasons of why i hate to us

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Jonathan Riddell
LibreOffice are having a similar discussion https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/msg02257.html They want to continue using IRC though which means fragmentation would continue. They find rocket.chat to have some limitations including that the clients aren't as bug free as they oug

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Klapetek
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a > very > > > long > > > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be that than one of the > > > many > > > tech startups

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Christian Loosli
Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 17:25:14 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > LibreOffice are having a similar discussion > > https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/msg02257.html > > They want to continue using IRC though which means fragmentation would > continue. Maybe someone should

Re: How about an inclusive "and" approach instead of fighting IRC versus something new? (was: Re: Collecting requirements for a KDE-wide instant messaging solution)

2017-08-10 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Martin Klapetek - 10.08.17, 12:34: > On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Martin Steigerwald > wrote: > > Martin Klapetek - 09.08.17, 16:12: > > > > But KDE is not a tech startup. As people correctly wrote, KDE has a > > > > very > > > > long > > > > history and contributors of all age. I'd rather be

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 17:25:14 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > > LibreOffice are having a similar discussion > > > > https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/projects/msg02257.html > > > > They want to continue u

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Christian Loosli
Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 17:25:14 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > > > LibreOffice are having a similar discussion > > > > > > https://listarchiv

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Thomas Pfeiffer
On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 20:38:11 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > > Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 17:25:14 CEST schrieb Jonathan Riddell: > > >

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Christian Loosli
Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 21:22:04 CEST schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 20:38:11 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas Pfeiffer: > > > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: > > > >

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Eike Hein
On August 11, 2017 4:22:04 AM GMT+09:00, Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: >On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 20:38:11 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: >> Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas >Pfeiffer: >> > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli >wrote: >> > > Am Don

I cannot login into the Community Wiki

2017-08-10 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
I have created a Phabricator account, and now I'm able to login into: - (https://phabricator.kde.org) - (https://identity.kde.org) - (https://techbase.kde.org) But not into: - (https://community.kde.org) Any idea how could I make it work? Thanks in advance 😉 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryp

Re: I cannot login into the Community Wiki

2017-08-10 Thread Aaron Honeycutt
Odd I just logged in fine. On Aug 10, 2017 6:27 PM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" wrote: > I have created a Phabricator account, and now I'm able to login into: > - (https://phabricator.kde.org) > - (https://identity.kde.org) > - (https://techbase.kde.org) > > But not into: > - (https://community.kde

Re: I cannot login into the Community Wiki

2017-08-10 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
Aaron Honeycutt: Odd I just logged in fine. You here! Hahaha! Well, it seems I bricked the account somehow. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: I cannot login into the Community Wiki

2017-08-10 Thread Aaron Honeycutt
Yep me here, I'm in the Kubuntu camp. On Aug 10, 2017 7:39 PM, "Alberto Salvia Novella" wrote: > Aaron Honeycutt: > >> Odd I just logged in fine. >> > > You here! Hahaha! > > Well, it seems I bricked the account somehow. > >

Re: I cannot login into the Community Wiki

2017-08-10 Thread Valorie Zimmerman
Hey Alberto, On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella < es204904...@gmail.com> wrote: > I have created a Phabricator account, and now I'm able to login into: > - (https://phabricator.kde.org) > - (https://identity.kde.org) > - (https://techbase.kde.org) > > But not into: > - (http

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Luigi Toscano
Il 10 agosto 2017 22:22:04 EEST, Thomas Pfeiffer ha scritto: >On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 20:38:11 CEST Christian Loosli wrote: >> Am Donnerstag, 10. August 2017, 20:31:22 CEST schrieb Thomas >Pfeiffer: >> > On Donnerstag, 10. August 2017 18:40:34 CEST Christian Loosli >wrote: >> > > Am Donner

Re: radical proposal: move IRC to Rocket.Chat

2017-08-10 Thread Luigi Toscano
While I generally agree with your feeling that the feeling for IRC was a bit negative, I disagree here: Il 10 agosto 2017 22:34:19 EEST, Christian Loosli ha scritto: > >If people want to switch themselves: already possible, with or without >this >thread and the etherpad. > >The original topi