KR> fuel flow meter/good news/bad news
I recently decided I'd like to have a fuel flow meter in the KR. I selected the FC-10 with an FC-60 sensor. I had the spot in mind where I'd install the sensor. With sensor and instrument in hand I dived in to the KR this afternoon, upside down, under the forward deck to remove a section of fuel line. That section of line contains my fuel pressure regulator, needed for the Marvel-Schebler carb on the 0-200. With line in hand and a tape measure I realized the sensor would fit there and work reliably. Unfortunately that's the only spot in my entire fuel system that the sensor could be installed. So, back to the old reliable system, time and fuel burn. The good news is someone will get a deal on an FC-10 / FC-60. ($300 plus $10 shipping) Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
My surplus Grand Rapids fuel flow sensor is spoken for. Arrangements are underway to ship it to a good home. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 California, MD, USA ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
I have a fuel flow sensor in my KR-2 for a Grand Rapids EIS. The sensor was given to me. Don't know if it works: GR wants $184 to pay for the activation code to make the GR display pay attention to the sensor. If anyone has a use for the Grand Rapids fuel flow sensor, let me know and I will get around to removing it from my KR-2. Sid Wood Tri-gear KR-2 N6242 California, MD, USA - But then, what will you do instead of sitting in the cockpit prior to going for a flight, re-calibrating the fuel flow meter? Until, (as with Mark L.) I gave up messing with it, I would often have to sit there in the cockpit with the master on, re-calibrating the gauge. I keep the book on how to do it right at hand in the cockpit as it is not a dirt simple procedure. Mike KSEE ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel flow meter
On 12/18/2017 1:49 PM, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: I don't see why people are comparing a fuel flow meter to a dipstick. As far as I can see they don't have anything to do with each other. A fuel flow gauge gives real-time consumption information. A dipstick is basically something to make jokes about. Hardly useful in the air. From what others are posting it sounds like a calibrated dipstick, when used with a working clock and given a known fuel burn per hour based on experience, is a more dependable source of information, given the reliability of the sensor. It's simply a reliable alternate source of information. When I had the Tripacer I could estimate the fuel required to refill the tank after a two or three hour flight to within one or two tenths of a gallon. That's close enough for my comfort given my personal reserve requirement and the $$$ needed to spend to get maybe 1/10 of a gallon more accurate. A dipstick is not a joke, it's a tool. It wouldn't surprise me if the caveman used a dipstick to measure the depth of the stream before crossing. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> Fuel flow meter
Phil in Australia said, > Hard to beat s dip stick. But check out this flow meter Ebay item 263346804586 Hey! There's some interesting gadgets over there! Great prices too, although shipping is outrageous. The brand name of this eBay unit is "Topargee". Looking at their website https://goo.gl/iZM9b8 On Topargee's website I'm seeing that this unit can be had, gauge and sender unit, for $65 USD - about half of what the eBay seller is selling it for. It's switchable between liters and gallons (Imperial gallons?), runs on batteries, turns itself on when it detects flow and turns off when flow has stopped. This looks like a really interesting gadget. I came across a really elegant fuel tank quantity gauge called an "ultrasonic". Fits on top of the tank and uses soundwaves to detect fluid level. First time I've seen this design anywhere. The company is oriented towards the marine and RV market but I'm finding all sorts of potentially useful gauges and sensors that could be applied toward aviation use. I'm seeing some neato rocker switches, switch panels, and just generally a lot of interesting things at good prices. Shipping can be a bear however. Why is shipping from Australia to the US so ridiculously expensive I wonder? Anyway, prowl around over there and you'll see what I mean. Thanks Phil.. I don't see why people are comparing a fuel flow meter to a dipstick. As far as I can see they don't have anything to do with each other. A fuel flow gauge gives real-time consumption information. A dipstick is basically something to make jokes about. Hardly useful in the air. 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds Fit Mom Daily http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a381c023a3a71c026950st02vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
Hard to beat s dip stick. But check out this flow meter Ebay item 263346804586 Phil Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> Fuel Flow Meter
> "A good nap brought things back in to perspective. You only have to calibrate the paint stick once and it's good for a lifetime. :-)" But then, what will you do instead of sitting in the cockpit prior to going for a flight, re-calibrating the fuel flow meter? Until, (as with Mark L.) I gave up messing with it, I would often have to sit there in the cockpit with the master on, re-calibrating the gauge. I keep the book on how to do it right at hand in the cockpit as it is not a dirt simple procedure. Fuel flow is just another doo-dad, however it is an additional source of information that is sometimes of great value when you are trying to diagnose something that doesn't seem to be working in predictable fashion. It can also be a source of great excitement if you are flying along over the mountains or deserted sections of country devoid of airports or even towns. To suddenly see your fuel flow drop from 3.5 (or whatever the normal number is) to zero can be something that will really get your head back in the cockpit immediately! Mike KSEE 1 Natural System To Fight Back Diabetes (Watch The Video) Constitutional Health http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a36fc9bf095a7c9b11d8st01vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
😂 On Dec 17, 2017 12:30 PM, "Kayak via KRnet" wrote: i think u should put a lid on it ken ;) On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Ken Hurley via KRnet wrote: > And a paint stick can paddle someone too. I just wanted to stir things up. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/ krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
i think u should put a lid on it ken ;) On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Ken Hurley via KRnet wrote: > And a paint stick can paddle someone too. I just wanted to stir things up. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
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And a paint stick can paddle someone too. I just wanted to stir things up. On Dec 17, 2017 10:53 AM, "Flesner via KRnet" wrote: > It worked fine for maybe 20 hours, and it's been crazy ever since. Not > crazy in a way that makes any sensemaybe 5% of the time I'd say it's > accurate, but most of the time it wanders quickly between the normal 3.8 > gph and something like 50 gph! > >> I'm back to what always works...a paint stirring stick marked in gallons, >> that I use as a dipstick to know exactly how much fuel I have before >> takeoff, and exactly home much I land with, and knowing that I normally >> burn something like 3.5 gph at altitude cruise >> >> Mark Langford >> > > +++ > > I've pretty much decided not to spend hundreds of and countless hours > installing another gadget and go with what has worked for 650 hours, look > in the tank and clock the flight hours. I calculated the dollars I would > spend would get me 3000 miles of flying at $5 per gallon of 100LL and I'll > have less things to fail / troubleshoot. A good nap brought things back in > to perspective. You only have to calibrate the paint stick once and it's > good for a lifetime. :-) > > Larry Flesner > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/k > r...@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
It worked fine for maybe 20 hours, and it's been crazy ever since. Not crazy in a way that makes any sensemaybe 5% of the time I'd say it's accurate, but most of the time it wanders quickly between the normal 3.8 gph and something like 50 gph! I'm back to what always works...a paint stirring stick marked in gallons, that I use as a dipstick to know exactly how much fuel I have before takeoff, and exactly home much I land with, and knowing that I normally burn something like 3.5 gph at altitude cruise Mark Langford +++ I've pretty much decided not to spend hundreds of and countless hours installing another gadget and go with what has worked for 650 hours, look in the tank and clock the flight hours. I calculated the dollars I would spend would get me 3000 miles of flying at $5 per gallon of 100LL and I'll have less things to fail / troubleshoot. A good nap brought things back in to perspective. You only have to calibrate the paint stick once and it's good for a lifetime. :-) Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
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I've had a Floscan 201 fuel flow sensor in both N56ML and N891JF. It worked flawlessly in N56ML on the EIS for something like 750 hours, and then started drifting a bit sometimes, so I replaced it and it worked fine afterwards. When I redid the fuel system in N91JF, I swapped the working Floscan into it, connected to the MGL iEFIS. It worked fine for maybe 20 hours, and it's been crazy ever since. Not crazy in a way that makes any sensemaybe 5% of the time I'd say it's accurate, but most of the time it wanders quickly between the normal 3.8 gph and something like 50 gph! I suspect this is an iEFIS problem, as a lot of the indications on the iEFIS Explorer are also completely whacko. Don't get me started on that though! I'm back to what always works...a paint stirring stick marked in gallons, that I use as a dipstick to know exactly how much fuel I have before takeoff, and exactly home much I land with, and knowing that I normally burn something like 3.5 gph at altitude cruise Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> Fuel Flow Meter
Guys I have a Silver Instrument Model IIIC with a yellow tag (It's used but I have never used it). Its left over from when I closed my shop. From what I can see on the display it supports two tanks and you can select fuel remaining or time remaining on one of the displays. If you are interested I will take photos and send them to you. I will take $150 for it. The unit says its compatible with a Silver Instruments Model 201B transducer. Flow rate is from 1.5 to 60GPM. I hope someone can find a home for it. Thanks Luis R ClaudioKR2SDallas, Texas On Saturday, December 16, 2017 12:25:55 PM CST, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: Larry said, "I recall a reasonable priced fuel flow meter being discussed a year or two back . . ." These things are a can of worms, unreliable over time and expensive. . . I've had one of these almost the entire eleven years I've owned N335KC. I had to replace the sensor early on. Lowrance upgraded the sensor from an EP-10 to an EP-60. The sensor is the part that goes bad with all the different systems. A new sensor is about $165. The EP-60 needs recalibration so often that I've ended up just letting the gauge fill up the hole in the panel. Like you, I know how much fuel the engine uses and don't need the gauge . . . however, having said that, another source of real-time information is sometimes very valuable. This is the "display" part of the unit. It's called an LMF-200 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asDXo_U-51M The sensor is installed in the line after the filter and in a vertical position, preferably above the tank level but since that isn't possible in our planes with header tanks I've got mine mounted below. It might need less recalibration if I had it mounted above the tank, were that possible. They seem to have gotten more expensive over time. I'm seeing about $400 for the LMF-200 and the EP-60 sensor. Another of these units with a better reputation than the Lowrance is from Navman. FL-2100 on the display, sensor I don't know the number. Floscan seems to be top of the line when it comes to fuel flow sensors. Spruce carries the sensor and perhaps the display. All these things are originally for boats with gas engines. Customer service seems to be terrible no matter which one you buy, reading the forums. I was just reading about Dan's Red Cube and it seems over on Van's that, just like the Lowrance LMF-200 with the EP-60 sensor and the Navman, they work for some period of time then start failing so guys get on the forums to see if they can figure out why. It's such a common phenomenon, with all of the various fuel flow brands, that it's almost predictable. Of course, it's only the people who are having problems that show up on the forums. There may be thousands of these things working just fine in experimental aircraft. Mike KSEE The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a3564e0de9fe64e01086st04vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> Fuel Flow Meter
Larry said, "I recall a reasonable priced fuel flow meter being discussed a year or two back . . ." These things are a can of worms, unreliable over time and expensive. . . I've had one of these almost the entire eleven years I've owned N335KC. I had to replace the sensor early on. Lowrance upgraded the sensor from an EP-10 to an EP-60. The sensor is the part that goes bad with all the different systems. A new sensor is about $165. The EP-60 needs recalibration so often that I've ended up just letting the gauge fill up the hole in the panel. Like you, I know how much fuel the engine uses and don't need the gauge . . . however, having said that, another source of real-time information is sometimes very valuable. This is the "display" part of the unit. It's called an LMF-200 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asDXo_U-51M The sensor is installed in the line after the filter and in a vertical position, preferably above the tank level but since that isn't possible in our planes with header tanks I've got mine mounted below. It might need less recalibration if I had it mounted above the tank, were that possible. They seem to have gotten more expensive over time. I'm seeing about $400 for the LMF-200 and the EP-60 sensor. Another of these units with a better reputation than the Lowrance is from Navman. FL-2100 on the display, sensor I don't know the number. Floscan seems to be top of the line when it comes to fuel flow sensors. Spruce carries the sensor and perhaps the display. All these things are originally for boats with gas engines. Customer service seems to be terrible no matter which one you buy, reading the forums. I was just reading about Dan's Red Cube and it seems over on Van's that, just like the Lowrance LMF-200 with the EP-60 sensor and the Navman, they work for some period of time then start failing so guys get on the forums to see if they can figure out why. It's such a common phenomenon, with all of the various fuel flow brands, that it's almost predictable. Of course, it's only the people who are having problems that show up on the forums. There may be thousands of these things working just fine in experimental aircraft. Mike KSEE The Unusual Link Between Alzheimer's and Coconut Oil (Watch) Memory Repair Protocol http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5a3564e0de9fe64e01086st04vuc ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
Re: KR> fuel flow meter
I am using this one. I tested it and if I remember correctly it gave 515 pulses per gallon. I have an Arduino processing that data and displaying it on a small 4x20 display. I assume it could feed a meter that could be calibrated to the pps or ppm. eBay item number: 112586699418 > On December 15, 2017 at 7:46 PM Flesner via KRnet > wrote: > > > > > I recall a reasonable priced fuel flow meter being discussed a year or > two back and can't find anything in the archives. Does anyone recall > the brand name / suppliers. Santa Claus dropped some green packing from > his money bag and he's not answering his phone so I thought I'd just > spend it. > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/mgl-vega-ff-4.php?clickkey=4744277 > looks interesting but a good sensor is $160+. > I could replace both my fuel gauges and put a digital volt meter in the > second hole. Just a thought at this point as I've flown 650 hours > without it. > > Thanks > > Larry Flesner > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. > Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
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I have a Red Cube. I used it on my Dynon system. Not sure what they sell for, but if anyone is interested, I will settle on a price. My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC -Original Message- Subject: KR> fuel flow meter I recall a reasonable priced fuel flow meter being discussed a year or two back and can't find anything in the archives. Does anyone recall the brand name / suppliers. Santa Claus dropped some green packing from his money bag and he's not answering his phone so I thought I'd just spend it. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/mgl-vega-ff-4.php?clickkey=4744277 looks interesting but a good sensor is $160+. I could replace both my fuel gauges and put a digital volt meter in the second hole. Just a thought at this point as I've flown 650 hours without it. ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
KR> fuel flow meter
I recall a reasonable priced fuel flow meter being discussed a year or two back and can't find anything in the archives. Does anyone recall the brand name / suppliers. Santa Claus dropped some green packing from his money bag and he's not answering his phone so I thought I'd just spend it. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/mgl-vega-ff-4.php?clickkey=4744277 looks interesting but a good sensor is $160+. I could replace both my fuel gauges and put a digital volt meter in the second hole. Just a thought at this point as I've flown 650 hours without it. Thanks Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to krnet-le...@list.krnet.org
