Re: [lace] terminology (was - should have known this!)

2006-03-15 Thread Dorte Tennison
a little correction, flat pillows is allso used on the continentel, not just an english phenomenon, and we use the same terminology as ctct hole/double stich, here in Denmark Dorte Hi Jenny, You have jumped into the world of lacemaking terms with both feet. We're all there with you. I hope

[lace] new too

2006-03-15 Thread Annemarie Beukman
I am new to the list too, joined about a week ago and love all the info that is going back and forth. I have been doing lace now for 3 years, mostly Torchon. Started with Bedfordshire recently and just love it. Thank you very much for the explanation about the stitches Alice (Howell). Just a

Re: [lace] new too

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
waves I'll answer (and no, not a silly question, it's a good question) C (cross) = left bobbin over right, e.g. #2 over #3 of 4 bobbins, T (twist) = right bobbin over left, e.g.of 4 bobbins #2 over #1 at the same times as #4 over #3 Welcome to the list ;) On 3/15/06, Annemarie Beukman [EMAIL

Re: [lace] C and T

2006-03-15 Thread Alice Howell
Welcome to the list! And my apologies for leaving out the most basic of lace terminology. C is Cross (left thread over right thread) T is Twist (right thread over left thread) When done in a stitch sequence with two pair, the Cross is done by the middle two threads. The Twist is done by both

[lace] terminology and pillows

2006-03-15 Thread Jane Partridge
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alice Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes The English terminology is: Half Stitch CT Whole StitchCTC Double Stitch CTCT (or Whole stitch plus a twist) The Continental terminology is: Half stitchTC Cloth or Linen stitch CTC Whole Stitch TCTC The English

Re: [lace] Re: RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread Dorte Tennison
I teach my studens to count 1-2-3-4, 1-2 halfs. 1-2-3 cloth/linen s. 1-2-3-4 hole/double s. it is easyer for some that way to do numbers then letters Dorte - Original Message - From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 8:35

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - was RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread blackwellc
Dear David -- For once, I read the original note to the list and then followed up by reading all the responses before I jumped in with my own 2 cents worth... And while I found some satisfaction in the fact that I've been at this obsession called lacemaking long enough to recognize all the

Re: [lace] About me!

2006-03-15 Thread blackwellc
Hello Agnes! Thank you for your nice About Me. I feel that we know you a bit better! I applaud the efforts you and your husband are making to provide basic bobbins for an affordable price. It is possible to buy plain bobbins by the sack, but it's so much more satisfying to have an array of

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - was RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread CLIVE Rice
Well put, Clay! However, I was taught, many, many years ago, to wind clockwise and I had never heard of Z-twist and S-twist threads. Maybe there were Z-twist and S-twist threads, but we never heard of them. Hasn't made any difference in my lacemaking the past 29 years 'course I am known to

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - was RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread David in Ballarat
Dear Clay, Many thanks for your response - it was indeed beautifully worded. I have to say that I agree with you entirely on every point. But shall relate here my own experiences. Jenny, please let's know if you don't understand about Z S twists. Z S was first brought to my attention by

[lace] garter thanks

2006-03-15 Thread Dona B.
Just a quick note to say thanks to all who responded to my inquiry regarding garters. I apologize that it's taken me so long to acknowledge your responses but our cable internet has been out the past couple of days. -must be all this blustery wind we're having here in Maryland! I rec'd several

[lace] Lace terms or definitions

2006-03-15 Thread The Browns
The one thing that no-one has mentioned in all the discussion going on so far,is where do you start when you have a beginner to whom you wish to explain how to work a stitch There you are with your threads wounds onto the bobbins in pairs and you are going to work a bandage. Regardless of

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - embroidery vs BL

2006-03-15 Thread Alice Howell
--- David in Ballarat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but Z S twists can be really important when you are doing a fine Petit Point, Cross Stitch or Tapestry. If the thread starts to unply, or become frizzy when it shouldn't, then the twist is important to its use, and it means you have started

Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
On 3/15/06, The Browns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to explain how to work a stitch... The word 'stitch' is even ambiguous! Hardly a 'stitch' is taken in making bobbin lace, in sewing terms. Like knitting and crochet, the 'stitch' is a complete set of movements, but unlike them, not performed with

Re: [lace] starting terminology and Try Me Pillows

2006-03-15 Thread Alice Howell
--- The Browns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The one thing that no-one has mentioned in all the discussion going on so far,is where do you start when you have a beginner to whom you wish to explain how to work a stitch... I probably proceed with a new person a bit differently

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - embroidery vs BL

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
On 3/15/06, Alice Howell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the spinning of the thread that catches the 'head' of the fiber section in the forming thread, and leaves the 'tail' on the edge of the thread. You want to use the thread 'head first' so all the friction of This is true if all the plies

[lace] have-a-go project, fish

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
Hi everyone Alice mentioned the 'snake' on the trysie pillow - I received a variation on the snake idea in the mail, from another lacemaker, a smaller and quicker project, would be good to use if time allows one person completing it. (The nice thing about the snake is it can be ongoing, on the

[lace] www site for newbies

2006-03-15 Thread NOWPRESHUS
_Jo Edkins' Lace Website_ (http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm) this is a wonderful site and actually is animated, especially since we have had several newbies recently. usual disclaimers... Christine Lone Star Lacers Katy TX - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread Jane Partridge
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] , bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It is easy for the newcomer to be confused. But it is also very easy for us to assume they have little or no intelligence! In fact, if you have a knitter, explaining that each pair of threads/bobbins is virtually the equivalent of one

Re: [lace] Re: RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread Brenda Paternoster
On 15 Mar 2006, at 07:35, bevw wrote: On 3/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CTC makes woven fabric, so one of its names is cloth stitch. Those places where BL is done with linen thread call it linen stitch. The When I first took lace 'lessons' ages ago, my teacher whose

Re: [lace] terminology and pillows

2006-03-15 Thread Brenda Paternoster
On 15 Mar 2006, at 10:00, Jane Partridge wrote: The only problem here is if you get a slightly deaf student, used to doing her (embroidery) cross stitch, who latches on to cross twist! I had a Chinese student once who used to do 'closs stitch' in her bobbin lace and 'closs stitch'

[lace] Tools and question

2006-03-15 Thread The Hildebrand Clan
Because I did carpentry in the past I have a suggestion for pushing pins down in the pillow. Use a large 9 Penny finishing nail which has a indentation in the top. My 9 penny nails are 9 cm in length (or 3 1/2 inches). I have these left from framing a door. For removing pins, in a pinch,

Re:[lace] bobbin makers

2006-03-15 Thread martina . dewille
Hello Liduina, thank you for both of the links. I just visited your site and have to say that the laces are wonderful. It must have been very interesting exibitions. Thanks for sharing! Martina in the South of Germany On 13 Mar 2006 at 11:31, LiduinaJ wrote: Hello Alice, In Belgium most of

Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread bevw
On 3/15/06, Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] , bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes It is easy for the newcomer to be confused. if you have a knitter, explaining that each pair of threads/bobbins is virtually the equivalent of one of their stitches, Our

Re: [lace] S/Z twist - was RTFM - should have know this!

2006-03-15 Thread Clay Blackwell
I never heard of the difference between Z and S either until I read Martina Wolter-Kampmann's book on threads. It is fascinating, and explains *why* it helps to change the hitch on those misbehaving bobbins. ;) As I said to Jenny about terminology, I tend to just do it and put a name to it

Re: [lace] Tools and question

2006-03-15 Thread Brenda Paternoster
On 15 Mar 2006, at 20:06, The Hildebrand Clan wrote: My questions: 1. Those snake bookmarks: Why do my snakes not remain flat when they are removed from the pillow? You've probably worked your snake in half stitch using a Z twist thread. Have a look at

[lace] Mystery - Calling Sherlock

2006-03-15 Thread Patsy A. Goodman
Seems we have a mystery on our hands. Where is the Tatting Frog Prince and his ambassador? The ambassador was last seen wearing a black bowler hat trimmed in green tatting. He was wearing a beautiful tatted beribboned tie across his chest. I believe I know who originally kidnapped the

Re: [lace] S/Z twist

2006-03-15 Thread robinlace
From: David in Ballarat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if this is relevent to your needs Clay, but Z S twists can be really important when you are doing a fine Petit Point, Cross Stitch or Tapestry. If the thread starts to unply, or become frizzy when it shouldn't,then the twist is

Re: [lace] Lace terms or definitions aplenty ;)

2006-03-15 Thread robinlace
From: Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Likewise we have got a reporter hooked, but why sort out special equipment - I gave up having a separate pillow long ago, and now when demonstrating those (of any age) who want to have a go do so on the piece I am working at the time - The reason I use

[lace] Cloth St etc

2006-03-15 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
Jenny B. - There are many names for the same thing, in lacemaking, due to it evolving in various parts of the world - Take Workers - or Walkers, Weavers, lLeaders or Runners - 5 names for the same thing - the pair that works along a row, and back again!!! Some people call CTC a whole

[lace] Z-twist and S-twist threads

2006-03-15 Thread Elizabeth Ligeti
I'm with you, Betty Ann! I had not heard of the different twists in threads either, so I just wound the bobbins, put on a ½ hitch, and made lace!!! I still do it that way, too!! I have never bothered about the twist on the thread! I occasionally have a rogue bobbin hitch - but

Re: [lace] Further steps in Honiton Lace

2006-03-15 Thread Barbara Joyce
Jenny, Thanks so much for posting this. I have been wanting a copy of this book for a long time. I am happy to report that I won it today, and I can't wait until it arrives on this side of the pond (and all the way across the US). Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA I don't know if anyone on the

[lace-chat] secret pal Thank You

2006-03-15 Thread Pat Morris
Received another wonderful parcel from Down Under yesteday. Loved the bobbins and thank you for telling me what kind of wood they are. The hand-dyed local threads are a wonderful shade. I'm going to save them for something special. One note pad will go right in my purse and the other will

[lace-chat] www site for newbies

2006-03-15 Thread NOWPRESHUS
_Jo Edkins' Lace Website_ (http://www.gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/index.htm) this is a wonderful site and actually is animated, especially since we have had several newbies recently. usual disclaimers... Christine Lone Star Lacers Katy TX To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[lace-chat] Scottish Humour

2006-03-15 Thread David in Ballarat
A man walks into a Scottish pub with an octopus. He sits the octopus down on a stool, and proceeds to announce to everyone in the pub that this is a very talented octopus. He can play any musical instrument in the world. Everyone in the pub bursts into laughter. So the man says that he will

[lace-chat] Irish Humour

2006-03-15 Thread David in Ballarat
Definition of an Irish husband: He hasn't kissed his wife for twenty years, but he will kill any man who does. --- Murphy told Quinn that his wife was driving him to drink. Quinn thinks he's very lucky because his own wife makes him