Re: [lace] point ground with no gimp
I'm wondering if it might be a machine made lace. I think some had the gimp outline sewn in by hand later. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of DevonThein Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 3:51:01 PM To: Lace Arachne Subject: [lace] point ground with no gimp Thanks to all who responded with helpful hints regarding my request for access to the museum of Halas lace, and also Arlene Scaroni. On another note. I have encountered a lace in the Met collection which is a point ground without any gimp. https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.metmus eum.org%2Fart%2Fcollection%2Fsearch%2F214651=05%7C01%7C%7Ce2a52f80d9904d 668cdc08db046c2155%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6381086346810 88337%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1 haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=n%2B9iOm3Q1oXVfid5EGhAyUpbVZbioL6GY Euo37jCmus%3D=0 Please note, the picture enlarges. The information cites Lille or Arras as the origin of the lace. But, Lille lace has a gimp. Actually, as far as I can discover, all point grounds tend to have gimps since it helps to even out the design area. In fact, the effect of this lace is that the design area looks a bit rough. The information also says early 19th century. Is this some experimental lace? Or is there a genre of point ground without a gimp that I am simply not recalling? Help! Devon Sent from Mail for Windows - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr. com%2Fphotos%2Flacemaker%2Fsets%2F=05%7C01%7C%7Ce2a52f80d9904d668cdc08db 046c2155%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638108634681088337%7CUn known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXV CI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=RrbWMJ1iqMjNrMzlsQJGaGYuIX6ElSyEplIoN8ImKto%3 D=0 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachnelace.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns
Obviously Daphnie is upset about her patterns allegedly being plagiarised, but if she read the post she is replying to she would see her outburst, although raising a valid point (preferably without the abusive language!) is totally inappropriate *as a response* as Cathy fully intended to credit Kathleen for the design. It is nice to know that your designs are being used, (it's why we share them) and what other lacemakers have done to personalise the original. This was especially so for me when the Sunnyvale Museum's book containing my Giles bookmark arrived during my 12 day stay in hospital in 2016. I love to see photos of lace made from my designs - I'm sure other designers feel the same. With geometric lace (eg Torchon and Bucks) it is quite possible that something we design is identical to something that has been done in the past, you only have to look at the old dealers' pattern books to learn that. It is also quite possible for two people to come up with the same idea, for example, angels and bells have a fairly typical shape - I've recently seen some nativity patterns that are more or less identical to those Jean Eke designed (and published) over ten years ago. (It was thanks to Jean's eagle eyes I was credited for one of my designs used as the basis of a chapter in a book on Bucks Point lace!) Jane Partridge Daphnie Martin wrote : Nobody has the damn right to just take other peoples patterns and pretend they are their designs. Where is the care for our designers rights. Cathy Morris said : Dear Clare and Jane, Thank you so much! That is just what I was looking for. I certainly would like to use Kathleens prickings and attribute them to her if she is willing to share them. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Honiton frog patterns
I think Kathleen Brandle is still a member of The Lace Guild so it would probably be best to contact the Hollies for them to ask her about the pattern. If you use her images to create your own pricking I think you would be in danger of breaking copyright - she holds it for the lace and design (as she designed it) and the Guild hold the copyright for the images and layout. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: In search of information and the report of Mr White?
Brian, have you looked back through the Arachne archive? I seem to remember that Sheila and her ?daughter, Kate (might have been Kate Davies? - she lived in Scotland) were Arachnes back in the early days, and that Alan's books were a topic of conversation (probably under 'Take the Children'). It's also at the back of my mind that he gave a talk on the subject at a (UK) Lace Guild Convention. Some of the older Arachnes might remember? Is anyone in touch with Kate? Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Alan Brown reports. (Sheila)
I'm fairly certain Sheila Brown died a few years ago. I think I bought the Honiton one and another, but they are at our old house (we've inherited my husband's family home in Nottingham so are in a slow process of moving everything here). Are there copies in any Guild libraries? Seasons Greetings to everyone, hope next year will be much better. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thieving Rascals or Desperately Poor?
Apologies - writing this reply on my phone I forgot to trim the original! Jane Partridge Might the "brass carnage" have been mistranscribed from "brass carriage" -... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Thieving Rascals or Desperately Poor?
Might the "brass carnage" have been mistranscribed from "brass carriage" - and the bobbins and carriages be for machines, which at the time were probably being attacked by Luddites? Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Brian Lemin Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:46:51 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Thieving Rascals or Desperately Poor? Just to let you know that I have published the above document on Arizona Web docs [ https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww2.cs.ar izona.edu%2Fpatterns%2Fweaving%2Fwebdocs.htmldata=04%7C01%7C%7C520ca9dd8 b364b7d4fac08d9b7912250%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C63774265 6236501223%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=7nnIPC2BW6QT6LSvZbZ2%2BZNKxh6n%2FbA fyPyDvjAm7lA%3Dreserved=0 ] as usual you have to scroll down to my name to find it, but there is some sort of search engine too. It is a topic way out of my field but very interesting to me, but I suspect I have failed to do it justice and would welcome additional information around this topic from more knowledgeable members. Whilst on about the social history of lace I was looking for a biography (mini) about a Mr Alan Cole who wrote papers to Parliament about Lace in Ireland and Devon. I would have thought that he was pretty important (his father was!) Anyone know where to find one? Many thanks -- Brian. (Who lives in Awabakal Country) Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr. com%2Fphotos%2Flacemaker%2Fsets%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C520ca9dd8b364b7d4fac 08d9b7912250%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637742656236501223% 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000sdata=jXQlkcrNm3XKcpVEqYoj9jZc0hdHo6J7O2s9%2Bs51Q4Q% 3Dreserved=0 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Virtual Lacemaking Weekend - 17 and 18 April 2021
Firstly, I will add my 'happy birthday' to Arachne, having been a member since July 1995 (we've been going 27 years now). Thanks to everyone who has supported others and shared their lace journey over the years. As some of you will know, I volunteer on a small preserved railway in Porthmadog, North Wales, and for about ten years now have been organising lacemaking events to raise money for the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway (which is a registered charity). Last year, due to Covid lockdowns we couldn't get together on site so I moved the events to an event page on Facebook, which has proved successful and I have had requests to carry on doing the events virtually even when we can meet up again. This coming weekend is the first event of 2021. We are still prevented from meeting on site due to the current restrictions so what would have been our April Lacemaking Weekend, getting together in the volunteers' 'mess' to chat and make lace, will again be done totally online. The link to the page is below, but please note you won't be able to post to the event discussion until after 10.30am (BST) on Saturday. Due to the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh taking place on Saturday afternoon, there will be a pause in the event from about 2.40pm for the duration. We will then carry on until 9.00pm on Saturday and 10.30am to 9.00pm on Sunday. Please do join in, making lace in the safety of your own home and sharing photos and comments with us. The link to the page is: https://fb.me/e/261fi7NdN Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines
There's a book about the machine lace industry in the Lace Guild's library which I'm sure I wrote something about on Arachne some years ago. It is something like the "History of the Nottingham Lace Industry" but I'm going on memory and may be wrong. There was a company in Long Eaton, GH Hurt & Co (about 15 years ago) who produced frame knitted items for sale to the various shops and museums, whether they are still in business I don't know. Also a Leavers machine was displayed at the museum in Rufford Country Park, Nottinghamshire, and frame knitting demonstrated at Ruddington Museum. I doubt much will be available to visit until after lockdown ends, but most museums have websites. I think there may be machines displayed at Wollaton Hall (Nottingham, near to Queens Medical Centre) but haven't been there for years. Most of the Nottingham industry has gone, the changes in fashion took their toll as much on the machine industry as they did the hand made, plus they had competitio! n from cheaper sources abroad. It might be worth contacting Nottingham Trent University (unless she's already studying there) as they have a large lace resource. Most of the lace from the old Nottingham Museum of Costume and Lace went to the Nottingham Castle Museum, so will be in their reserve collection. There used to be sock/stocking machines in the museum at Snibston near Coalville in Leicestershire, Coalville Council might know what happened to them after the museum closed. As Maureen says, there's a lot of information in the Lacemakers of Calais book (produced for an exhibition in Loughborough which I went to) based on John Heathcoate's (Leavers) machines. I haven't seen much of the history of the Barmen and Raschelle machines, other than seeing them in the old Nottingham Lace Centre, sadly long closed. I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy referred to was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Virtual Christmas Lace-in
Up to now I haven't shared the lace events I organise for the railway where I'm a volunteer in North Wales on Arachne, as up to this year they have been held on site, so not easily accessible for most of the list. However, with the lockdowns and travel restrictions we've had this year, I decided in April to change to a virtual event using an event page from my Facebook account. This meant we could share photos of what we were making, with videos of train rides I had taken at the railway slotted in over the weekend to add a sense of being there, and our chef added some photos of his rather tempting cakes (calorie free because we could only imagine eating them). Afterwards I wrote an article about the weekend for the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette. This first event proved successful as lacemakers who couldn't normally get to the railway were able to join in. So, when it came to July and 'Lace on the Train', with the UK still in lockdown, I repeated the format, and again for the October Lacemaking Weekend. In all so far we have raised £850 for the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway's Resilience Fund (the railway is a registered charity and has had to miss almost all of this year's operations and events, with a consequent loss of income - we rely on fares and donations). With that in mind, and the prospect of still being restricted as to travel and visiting family over the Christmas holiday period, I thought it would be worthwhile to have a post-Christmas virtual lace-in, where we could again make lace when time allowed, and join in the fun by sharing photos of our work, and hopefully raise the year's total to at least £1,000. I have set the page so that posts have to be approved by me before they are added. The dates are Sunday 27 to Wednesday 30 December, and there is a donation button on the page (Facebook don't charge for charity donations). I know a number of Arachnes don't use Facebook, but if you do and would like to join in, the link below will take you to the page. If you would like to see more about the railway, the url is http://www.whr.co.uk (note ours is not the longer Welsh Highland Railway, which is run by the Ffestiniog Railway from Porthmadog to Caernarfon but the smaller railway with a museum at the other end of Porthmadog). I'm currently working on a new version of my Giles the Dog bookmark - very slowly so don't expect a pattern any time soon! and a Branscombe picture of one of our locos, Gelert, hopefully between managing the event and sharing videos I will be able to make some progress on both. The link is:- https://www.facebook.com/11416002134/posts/3667708569952974/ Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Return to class
This reminds me of a Guiders' training course I attended years ago at Foxlease, (in Hampshire UK) we were learning how to teach creative folk dance without making the movements ourselves. My thought from this is that you should be able to teach mostly without the need to touch their pillows, bobbins, etc, but for those who need to see a stitch demonstrated, could you set up a travel pillow with a few bobbins that you can take round the table with you, so you show them on your pillow, not theirs? Where mistakes are concerned learning to spot a mistake and correct it is progress, if need be you can tell them where to go back to and what has gone wrong, but don't do the undoing and redoing yourself or they will never learn. (I have heard some lacemakers say they always had their teacher start pieces off or finish for them so they didn't know how, which was the means of the teacher retaining learners because they were dependent on him/her!) Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Lace identification
I agree with needlerun, but also the thought that went through my mind was Limerick?, though I'm wondering about Nottingham (Leavers) as some of the net sides have been stitched into (splitting the twists) rather than the careful darning which would be done by hand. At that point, my Nottingham-born husband walked in, took one look and flippantly said, "that looks Irish to me"! His knowledge of lace goes as far as being the grandson of a lace runner (mending the nets and darning ends in as they came off the machine is what I was told that meant; Phil's maternal grandmother was a lovely lady who died in 1982, the year after we got married) and, as a descendant of Bedfordshire lacemakers on his father's side , being able to do cloth stitch, so take that remark as lightly as it was made! Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Sorry!
I've just copied the list in on my reply to Brian, and too late realised I forgot to trim the bottom of the message. Apologies, everyone. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Pam Nottinghams article on Thumpers.. Keeping the Record Straight. Lace #77 Jan 1995. P 31
Hi Brian, I've forwarded your email to Sara Shakespeare, the Lace Guild's Librarian, who should be able to help. The office is closed on Mondays, so it won't be today. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Brian Lemin Sent: 06 July 2020 06:28 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Pam Nottinghams article on Thumpers.. Keeping the Record Straight. Lace #77 Jan 1995. P 31 I would love to see a copy of this article, Can anyone help please? Thanks -- Brian Cooranbong. Australia - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: https://eur04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Flacemaker%2Fsets%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Ce8dd88f4a29f46c6f72d08d8216f60ef%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637296109533738463sdata=8T42%2BAQmHGUMKq6gM0CVdCZ7GHoMr2ROWeEPFZIXd0M%3Dreserved=0 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Happy 25th Anniversary
Doesn't time go fast when you're making lace?! Happy Anniversary (from one who's been an Arachne from about 3 months after it started). Happy Easter (or whatever else you may be celebrating this weekend) to everyone, too. Jane Partridge Original message From: Lin Hudren Happy to one and all. Today, 4/12, is the 25th Anniversary of the inception of Arachne. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Arizona free library - Coggeshall book
Alex have you first checked for copyright clearance on this? I seem to remember that a number of the books were given (or possibly sold) to The Lace Guild after Jean Dudding died. They will still be in copyright as it isn't yet 70 years since her death. Jane Partridge Original message Alex said : Jean Duddings booklets on Coggeshall lace are no longer in print and they are the only accounts of the history and making of the lace and when I suggested they were offered to the Arizona free library there was a good response. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] History of Lace. Spoiler: this could be boring!
Having been at the Lace Guild Convention when Dr Yallop gave a talk on the history and subsequently bought and read the book, I agree that his theory, which relates to the history of the Honiton lace industry, makes more sense than the much copied theories in Mrs Palliser's book that lacemaking was first introduced by migrants. This migrant theory also exists where the British nail making industry is concerned, (the Romans taught us that!) and no doubt also to many other industries. 1590 is very late when you consider that lace was worn in this country in 1537, if not earlier. It is reported that Anne of Cleeves had lace in her wedding trousseau, and we have the stories of Catherine of Aragon teaching her ladies to make lace... albeit hearsay, the chances are that the Spanish industry goes back further as I believe I have read somewhere that lace (maybe needlace rather than bobbin) was in existence around 1480, I think it was 1485 she married Henry? JR Planche, writing (from primary source research) in 1837 includes details of broad bands of gold lace on Henry VIII's clothing, I can't remember the years but this would have to be before 1547. I think the earliest of the Huguenots are said to have arrived in the 1570s. Of course, lace throughout history has been led by fashion, and that what was in fashion on the Continent would be brought here by merchants. Kings travelled abroad to lead their troups in battle, Henry VIII included, and would not want to be behind the times in what they wore, either. So a fashion for lace adorned clothing would easily spread from the continent to England where the nobility were concerned. We know that Milan was the centre of fashionable clothing then, just as Paris is known now. Much would have been imported, but I doubt the well to do would want to spend money unnecessarily so our weavers could well have been set the task of copying some of the lace, possibly aided by some of Catherine's ladies (or their servants) which developed into our own industry, prior to the refugees arriving who likely joined with those similarly employed (for ease of work and sales) where ideas and patterns may have been shared. That's what I think, but none of us were there at the time so we will never really know! Jane Partridge Brian wrote: There is little doubt in my mind that the settlers must have made a real contribution to English lace making wherever they settled, and so too did the English businessmen make it a combined and profitable English business. As to the origin of lace in that 1590s ( plus or minus), I leave that point to be argued by others who know better than me. Brian - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Re:Mrs. Treadwin
I've got my copy with me here in North Wales as it's a good reference for needlelace stitches. (I'm running a Lacemaking Weekend as a fundraiser for the preserved railway where I volunteer tomorrow and Sunday). First published in 1874, reprinted by Lacet Publications in 1994. ISBN 1 874688 05 2 The Antique Point she included was Branscombe Point, not Battenberg, Jane :-) The book also has instructions for making Honiton (bobbin) lace, some history and how to care for lace (though the methods would probably raise eyebrows now). Jane Partridge Jane Viking-Sover wrote: Re:Mrs. Treadwin Hi, Mrs. Treadwin wrote a book titled Antique Point and Honiton Lace. The Antique Point is the Battenberg I make today, the Honiton is bobbin lace. (snip). I can't find my copy of her book at the moment so I can't give you the details on that. Very good for braid lace. Jane in Vermont, USA where it's not too cold yet jvik...@sover.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Sad news - Jacqui Southworth
Some subject lines are sensitive, others perhaps a little harsh. I knew Jacqui personally, and when I last saw her, at our Lace on the Train event at the Railway last August, she was about to undergo another course of chemotherapy but expected to be well enough to join us again for the lacemaking weekend in April. Sadly it didn't turn out that way. I think, personally, that although Jeri's preferred subject line gets the message across for indexing purposes, it would come as a stark shock to those who hadn't previously heard the news, whereas addressing the matter in the body text breaks the news gently. In the past we have always used "Sad News" as the subject for when someone dies, whether it has been to announce the death of a family member or an Arachne. I also don't really think that a time like this, when many of us are still, perhaps, reeling from the news, is the time to chide list members over choice of subject line. Jane Partridge __ Sent: 27 May 2019 16:42 Subject: [lace] Jacqui Southworth's Death on May 15, 2019 At Jeri's request, I am forwarding this posting. Please address any personal responses to her. Her address is above as a cc. Devon Dear Arachne members, Notice of this great loss to our lace community appeared in my inboxes (AOL and Gmail) this morning under the heading "So sorry". I searched Arachne archives for "Jacqui Southworth's death", and did not find it - because her name was not in the Subject line. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] I'm still here after all these years...
I probably shouldn't admit to this in these days of data protection, etc, but back in October 1996 I printed off the Arachne Bios, and put them in a folder, which I've still got! Should I shred them? Martha, your bio is amongst them, so you were definitely a member by then. Checking the old Arachne Handbook (which Patty Dowden updated in 2000), she referred to the third anniversary in April as if it was April 2000, which would make the start year 1997 - possibly getting confused as that was the year Lace separated from Lace-Chat. I'm not sure whether it was actually 1995 or 1996, only that it started on April 12 and I joined in July of the first year, after it was mentioned on uk.rec.crafts.needlework (and I think that may still be going - rec.crafts.needlework was last time I looked, which may be a couple of years ago now, days go so quickly). The reason the list split was, according to the handbook, that in February 1997 Arachne had over 600 members - I know it went! over 1,000 in the days when we could quiz "the major" (as we affectionately called the server!) as to the number of members - Avital, do you know how many members there are now? It is rare for us now to produce the 40 or so messages a day we were getting to then, so I wonder if it's worth still having two separate lists? Jane Partridge (England, but often to be found at a small preserved railway in North Wales). __ From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Martha Benedicta Krieg I cannot recall just when I joined, but it has been a very long time! Probably 1990s. And like Nancy I did not trust online storage. Still don???t in fact...that???s why I keep,so,many backups! Martha Krieg (Michigan) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lacemaking Weekends in North Wales - April, August and October 2019
I know not everyone on Arachne uses Facebook, or checks The Lace Guild's website, so I thought while the list is quiet I would let you know about three lacemaking events I'm organising at a narrow gauge preserved railway in Porthmadog, North Wales, this year. I've been a volunteer shedmaster (ie looking after passengers in the museum) at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway since 2009, and started organising lace events as a "something different" fundraising effort, with the first of our annual Lace on the Train weekends being held in September, 2011, to coincide with National Lacemaking Day. A couple of years later, we added a residential weekend in the hotel opposite the railway, where the proprietors let us use their function room free of charge. This was a successful event, but the following year the proprietors had moved on and the hotel was undergoing refurbishment prior to new tenants taking over, so Plan B was put into operation and although it meant we could no longe! r offer accommodation, our lacemaking weekend was moved to our Volunteer's "mess" at the railway, and we now hold two weekends each year. All lacemakers are welcome, no matter which type of lace they make. Lace on the Train (August 3rd and 4th, 2019) started out "as it says on the can" - we sat in one of the carriages on the train making lace as we travelled up the line and back. With the husband of one of the lacemakers driving, it made for a relatively smooth ride (he'd hear about it later if it wasn't!!!). Traction for this weekend is normally steam, and it is included in the "Special Events" list on the timetable. There were a couple of problems, though, as if we sat together the passengers left us to it and went in other carriages, and some were not comfortable making lace on the move, so although now the opportunity is still there for those who want to make lace on a steam train ride, we have tables set out in the museum where we can sit and work, and offer the other passengers the chance to have a go. This often means that parents are coerced into staying between trains by children who have got engrossed in making lace. Last year the young son of our Training Officer sp! ent an afternoon with us, taking to bobbin lace like duck to water, and had three pieces of lace to take away with him by the end of the day. (Thankfully Pam had brought a second beginner pillow with a bookmark in progress which he finished). I think he also had a go at tatting. There is no need to book, just turn up on the day, but if I have an idea of how many lacemakers to expect it helps when getting tables and chairs out! For those who don't want to be in the public eye, and want to get on with some lace without the usual interruptions you get at home, we have the two lacemaking weekends - this year, Saturday 6 to Sunday 7 April (the weekend before Haydock) and 12 to 13 October. We sit in the Weatherby Room in the Volunteers' Amenity Block where we have table space for 12 lacemakers and full kitchen facilities. I need to know in advance who is coming and which day/s for these weekends. Having C qualifications and taught lacemaking for 15 years in the past, absolute beginners are welcome and I can help anyone learning Bucks, Beds, Torchon, Honiton, needlelace and tatting (advance warning would be appreciated though!). As the intention behind these events is to raise money for various railway projects - restoring and maintaining a preserved railway with steam and diesel locos costs a lot, especially as we are reliant on fares and donations with no public funding - the WHHR is a registered charity (number 1039817 - Welsh Highland Railway Ltd) I decided at the outset not to ask for a set fee for these events, but to ask for donations equal to the amount you would expect to pay if you were going to a similar ticketed event. I ask Chris Parsons to make the commemorative bobbins (available to those who attend) and usually have my patterns and a few other items on sale, with all profit/proceeds being donated to the railway. For those with partners/children in tow, there is plenty to keep them occupied at our railway, and there are also the two preserved railways run by our larger, better-known neighbours at the far end of the town, a maritime museum at the harbour and a beach not too far away. Our station is opposite Porthmadog's main-line railway station - which is one of the reasons I started going there, as it is door-to-door by train from Birmingham International. Please email me off list if you would like to join us, there is still space for the April weekend but I do need to know numbers as soon as possible. Jane Partridge mous...@live.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Downton Lace
We tend to start patterns one at a time, winding bobbins particularly for that pattern, and when we've done whatever length we want to work, be it for a sample or for a particular project (which may or not hide the ends in seams) we finish it off neatly and secure all ends with knots or whatever. "Back in the day" they wouldn't have had time for such luxuries. Lace would be on the pillow, with a pattern started once - ages ago - with a length of completed lace cut off (literally, with scissors, as we would cut a length from a card of machine-made lace now) when the tally-man came to collect the lace and pay the cottage worker making it, leaving ends at the "start" not even in rolls, and the lace on the pillow continuing. How we hang in or finish off our lace has little relevance to those days, when lace was made and time wasted meant less bread on the table. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of hottl...@neo.rr.com Sent: 30 January 2019 20:21 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Downton Lace Just finished my first tiny sample after noticing that this lace begins with a clump of single bobbins! I ended up with a start similar to Rosaline except with four groups of rolled bobbins instead of one. It's peculiar as there is no obvious place to hide the beginning tails when the work is complete. In Rosaline, the single tail gets cut off & the tuft is sort of sucked up into the back of the work. Since this is a straight strip, I put a knot in each tail & teased it down to meet the lace. Not sure how this would have been handled back in the day? Can only assume that any messy beginning would have been hidden in a seam. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Bedfordshire lace
Susan, There's absolutely nothing wrong in wanting to work in white (or any other colour) :-). I remember some years ago there was a problem with a particular, pale green, Madeira Tanne (they changed the name to Cotona when they started selling it on smaller reels) that used to unravel during work and was discussed on Arachne - so a search of the archives might bring up the solutions we came up with then. It was strange that it was only that one colour, and a number of us on both sides of the pond had the same problem. I have always wound my bobbins clockwise, and mostly find if a thread is going to unspin it is when I'm using Honiton bobbins, my spangled Midlands tend to behave, these days. Are you using Continental bobbins that roll? However, in the past, I used to find that Madeira thread unravelled in the course of working Bucks (where you have more of an imbalance of cross to twist movements) and this was down to the way I turned the bobbin when I was lengthening or shortening the leash, so it might be worth looking at how you do that. If you hold the bobbin straight (in relation to the thread) and turn it one way or t'other, to release or tighten, you will untwist or over-twist the thread as well as lengthening or shortening it. The same goes for any angle up to holding it at 90 degrees to the thread being wound/unwound, at which point you are only winding/unwinding the thread, not affecting the twist. Where the Cordonnet is concerned, knowing you are a needlewoman, do you do any needlelace? We used Cordonnet when we made our samples of Venetian Gros Point (which is a heavyweight lace, used in the past for cravats, etc) both for the stitching and for padding out the raised cordonettes. If you do needlelace or stumpwork you might be able to use it? So, chunky embroidery as another possibility? Although crochet cottons are frequently included in beginner kits, they tend to be difficult to tension properly, I think because they have more "give", so give an uneven finish when used as the main thread in bobbin lace. However, you could use them as gimp threads. I also used Cordonnet 100 when I was tambouring the two-inch edging for the wedding veil project I did for my City & Guilds - that needed 11 balls, (one per chain), and of course only a relatively small amount of each was used - the remains are still sitting in my thread box, some 23 years later, and I can see my daughter! s inheriting them at this rate :-). Jane Partridge Susan wrote:- This was particularly painful because I wanted to—wash my mouth out with soap—work in white. Madeira Cotona 30—I own too many spools—none white—but it seems to un-ply itself while working. It made my lace (a different pattern) look scraggly & it’s too fiddly to keep spinning all the bobbins because it comes un-plied every other stitch. And of course my big question—what to do with so many balls of Cordonnet Special, in multiple sizes? Egad, I don’t tat & I rarely crochet! Is cordonnet suitable for any bobbin lace? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: What is the best way to start bobbin lace?
veryone. I know we think it should be, but if a beginner tries, and finds it too frustrating, even if they do other crafts, then there is no shame in putting it aside. If they come back to it later, fine, but if it really isn't for them, there is no reason why they should feel defeated. It comes down to the P word - patience - which is for the things you don't want to do. If you want to make lace, you will, if you find it isn't for you, then don't feel you've got to. There are plenty of other activities that can be used to fill "me" time. Devon, please feel free to forward this to your friend. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Devon Thein Lyn, I guess I didn't make myself clear. It is the mother who wants to learn. "I have two young boys. Two and 4 years old. They keep me busy most of the time. But I’m wanting to start a hobby so bad for the little free time that I have. Is this hobby something easy to pack away (so my kids can’t get their hands in it) and something I can pick up and leave as my free time permits? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Beads ‘n’ Lace
I don't see why not. In a windmill, you are working with each pair as if it is a single thread. To add a bead, you can use a sewing. It is just as easy to pull two threads through most beads as it is one, so use a double sewing (the two bobbins of one pair passed through the two loops of the other pair which have been pulled through a bead first). For placement, I would work the cross and twist, tension up with a pin, use the two centre pairs to sew in the bead and then twist and cross. This adds an extra twist in the windmill, but should give a neater overall effect. Do experiment, all you need to do is pin four pairs on your pillow and work either plaits or tallies and see what looks best, which might change according to the size and/or shape of the bead. Jane Partridge (apologies if this is a double signature, I can't remember if I set one up on my phone!) Original Message Subject: [lace] Beads ânâ Lace From: Susan To: lace@arachne.com CC: Hello All! Is there a way to add a bead at a windmill crossing? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Identification question
Honeycombe stitch as a ground is also known as Spanish Ground - might this have any bearing? Original Message Subject: [lace] Identification question From: Devon Thein The most distinctive thing about these two pieces is that they both have a honeycomb background mesh. Any thoughts about this? Does anyone else know of laces with a honeycomb background mesh? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Holes in Binche
Reading Susan's query, and the replies about using support pins to avoid holes round the edge of the lace, I've got a niggling memory from the lace identification we had to do for C (this is going back 20 years or so - goodness, doesn't time fly!) that one of the laces was to be identified by the small holes around the edges - it wasn't Binche, was it? If so, trying to avoid the holes might be removing an intentional effect??? Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Stiffening lace
This subject has come up a couple of times recently. One very useful exercise we did at college when I was doing my City & Guilds, and which I repeated some years later with the ladies I was teaching, was to make a sampler of various methods of stiffening. The one thing I did differently with my ladies was to get them to write the date on the top of the page! We used machine lace, both cotton and synthetic, and cut it into short lengths to which various different stiffeners were applied - sugar water (two different strength solutions), commercial fabric stiffeners, blind sprays, spray starch, potato/rice water, hairspray, PVA glue (water based, neat and dilute) and whatever else we could lay hands on. One piece of each lace was left untouched as a "control" piece. Once stiffened, these samples were attached by an end to a sheet of paper on which was recorded the type of stiffener, brand name (if any), dilution (in the case of PVA and sugar water), and whether the lace was cotton or synthetic. For silk or linen, I would suggest using small sample pieces that you have no further use for, or possibly making a strip that you can cut down - though you are unlikely to want to stiffen silk (it rather defeats the object of it's soft draping quality!), linen would probably behave much the same as cotton (both being cellulose). This sampler allows you to see what level of stiffness you will get if you use a specific method, and to see what effect (any discolouration, progressive lack of stiffness, etc) time and storage have. Of those I used on my original sample sheet, the Winfield (Woolworth's own brand - you can tell how long ago this was!) blind spray started blackening the synthetic lace about three or four years on. If you are making anything that is to be counted as an heirloom, do not use any stiffener that cannot be removed easily, and consider whether or not you are creating a nice tasty snack for a passing moth grub. Work a small sample of lace in your chosen thread and stiffen it with your chosen stiffener - this will show whether or not you will be happy with the result, and save the problems of trial and error, possibly several times over, if you leave it until you have finished your lace - you don't want to spoil the end product, after all. Several years ago, The Lace Guild had one of their Triennial Exhibitions - Myth or Mystery. With a week to go before the closing date, I finally had a Eureka moment, and came up with an idea for a rainbow choker - plaited lace using rainbow colours of embroidery thread. I had decided to use dilute PVA, and with not too much time on my hands didn't try a sample first - PVA solution filled the holes as it dried, despite using a paintbrush to apply. At that point, it very nearly ended up in the bin. I decided to see if the glue would wash out (it did!) and used the age old solution of sugar water instead. This gave the desired result, and held the plaits in place despite the choker being hung from one end in a museum display cabinet for the three months the exhibition was on. (I have since washed the sugar out for storage). Washing out and re-stiffening once I got away with; had I had to do that several times the structure of the lace would have been at risk. In the competition! , the choker won a Medal of Excellence! Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] IOLI Bulletin
We're just in the beginning stages of receiving the journal of the preserved railway where I volunteer in electronic format. What is being done there, and I suspect with The Lace Guild as well, is that the electronic pdf file that is sent to the printers is also the file that is being sent out to members by email. This is most likely the cheapest and simplest way of doing things, for those charitable organisations (like the railway and the Guild) that don't have funding to get an outside specialist company involved. With the railway's journal, being a pdf it gives me the option of using the up/down arrows to move to previous/next page, and typing the page number I want in the box, plus scrolling down (which isn't a great hardship!). The contents page at the start tells me which page I need for a specific article. Also, if I want to look for pieces about, say, a particular loco, I can use the control-f function (keyboard command for "find" - I'm using a Windows 10 laptop and! Adobe Acrobat Reader) to bring up a search box, into which I can type key words. Production of an "all bells and whistles" version would substantially increase the production cost, and would likely require those subscribing to pay more rather than less for their electronic magazine - which would defeat the object of trying to gain overseas members by making it affordable for them to subscribe to (the postal costs for paper copies make them anything but). Do remember that the newstand magazines that have electronic versions with all the navigation options have much larger circulation figures than our specialist magazines, and so have a much greater income to afford the staff and technology required. I'm not sure what the exchange rate is at the moment, but from the figures Susan quotes for the various subscriptions electronic membership of The Lace Guild, at £20.00 (GBP) per year, sounds like a bargain! However, for the magazines to continue in either format, the editors are (usually) dependent on members sending in patterns (for any type of lace, not just bobbin lace) and articles for publication, and the patterns submitted don't have to be as complicated as Miss Channer's mat - one of the reasons I started subscribing to the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette when I was teaching was that their patterns were frequently easy enough for a relative beginner to attempt, and being an affordable subscription, it was a lace publication I could recommend to my students. So many times you hear someone say their reason for not joining the Guild, or submitting a pattern (of their own design) is "I'm not good enough" - which in many cases certainly isn't true. Having patterns for beginners in the magazines is as important as having the more challenging ones for those of us who have been making lace for years, and even more so, if we are to encourage new lacemakers to subscribe in the first pl! ace! Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Susan In spite of Prabha’s heroic efforts to provide multiple screen shots, various tutorials, I found my navigation limited to scrolling or typing a page number in the menu bar. The thumbnails she described were nowhere to be found with the hardware/software that I am using. After lots of pointing clicking no progress, I decided it is what it is. To be fair, my navigation was limited to scrolling (only) when I accessed the digital version of Lace (Lace Guild UK magazine) so apparently this is not an isolated issue with online publishing of this type. Technology has provided us with this new digital option so let’s use it to our advantage see whether more improvements are forthcoming. Best Wishes to everyone heading to San Antonio for the convention. Have a great time! Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Happy International Lace Day
It's a good idea, Jeri, but would it work in practice? National/International lace days tend to be times when lacemakers try to get out to demonstrate and be seen by the public, and are usually chosen for times of year when the weather may be favourable so that sitting outside is feasible. This, on a country to country basis, is reasonably straightforward to organise, but what is summer in one country is winter in another, and, say, if the date chosen was an Australian summer day I very much doubt that I, in the UK, would want to be sat outside getting somewhat cold and wet, and neither would I expect very many visitors to an indoor exhibition at that time of year. Out of interest, who declared a National Lacemaking Day first? I know in England, the first such day was in 1991, and has been the Second Saturday in September ever since (we usually have reasonably good weather then, and most people are back off their summer holidays with the kids back at school). This was the year The Lace Guild celebrated its 15th Anniversary (Crystal) and also coincided with a garden party to raise funds for our local hospice, being organised (locally) by another organisation - I was asked to demonstrate at this by the manager of the office I was working in at the time (who was helping to organise the garden party). That was the first demonstration I did, and in order to have some lace that I could sell to help raise funds, I designed my Giles the Dog bookmark - and made 45, raising over £100 for the hospice, over the next six months - in fact I finished making another one yesterday but can no longer remember how many I've made over the years! The patter! n has now been published by the Sunnyvale Museum in California. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com on behalf of Jeri Ames Sent: 25 June 2018 18:46 ?? We have a universal Internet to use.?? Agreeing on one International Lace Day per year is just one of several things that need attention in order to be "united-in-lace". ?? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] The archetype of the lacemaker
The other advantage to lacemaking rather than farm/factory work was that they didn't have to find someone to look after their children. OK, it was the norm (at least in my grandparents' families, so no doubt the same is true further back) for the older ones to look after the younger, but babies needed their mother or a wet nurse (expensive?) to feed them. With mother at home making lace, she was able to keep watch over both her own youngsters and any infirm elders living with her. They could also congregate in one and another's houses, with their children, to save fuel and have some adult female conversation! Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Elena Kanagy-Loux <enkanagyl...@gmail.com> Subject: [lace] The archetype of the lacemaker But I have also seen frequent reference to complaints in English villages for example, that women so much preferred to stay in and make lace that it was difficult to find female agricultural workers. So the work was "easier," relatively speaking, at least easier than back-breaking farm labor. Then of course, there is all of the recent discussions we had about how lacemakers were able to read patterns and make lace without the use of diagrams - making it a very stimulating activity and not at all akin to the maddening repetition of factory work, for example. (Of course, there are far more examples on both sides of this argument.) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Machine lace and its manufacture
Having had a quick look down the Guild's library catalogue, I'm fairly certain it was this one "MASON S A Nottingham Lace 1760s to 1950s" - which is about the machine lace industry, and I do remember nothing was in the title about hosiery. Jane Partridge From: Devon Thein <devonth...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lace] Machine lace and its manufacture I would like to suggest that it is William Felkin's book, A history of the machine-wrought hosiery and lace manufactures that Jane is referencing. It is written in a very amusing style in 1867. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Machine lace and its manufacture
There's also a book in the Guild library about (I think this is the title, but not sure, it's been a while...) The History of the Nottingham Lace Industry - which goes through the trials and tribulations of those lace makers who worked with machines rather than bobbins. From the cottage industries with stocking frames in their homes to the lace factories - the sometimes terse relationships between employers and employees, lock ins and lock outs, strikes which risked livelihoods in days of no state handouts, the rise of the unions and the power they had over employers, and probably the biggest threat to employment (which affected both hand and machine industries) - changes in fashion. I may be wrong, but I have a feeling I read somewhere that most of the luddites weren't the actual workers - they were troublemakers who came from other areas - though of course some would have been. Those who were caught ended up being prosecuted, jailed and in some cases on the gallows. I went to the exhibition in Loughborough Museum which was connected with the book that Maureen mentions - it told the tale as to how Heathcote's machines moved first from Loughborough to Nottingham, then with opposition there, to Tiverton in Devon, and then were broken down and smuggled to Calais. At a time when they were trying to increase the non-convict population of Australia, the workers were offered a one way ticket with an incentive payment, hence the reason many families moved on. I can't remember any mention of the Revolution, though, Maureen - wasn't that in 1789 and thus well before Heathcote's machines, which I think came into production round about 1808 - or did France have a second revolution (I have vague memories from history at school of something being 'bloodless')? As hand-lacemakers we at times are up in arms against the machines that took the work away, but a good number of handworkers transferred to the factories because of better pay and in some cases, conditions, and they were all people fighting for their livelihood in days when a change of fashion, or a poor cotton harvest, could put them all in the workhouse. In Liz Bartlett's book about the Lace Villages, she points out the difficulty she had in finding out about the life and work of the Bucks lacemakers because the job was so connected to poverty no-one wanted to ever think or talk about it again. Jane Partridge (Whose Nottingham-born husband has both Bedfordshire (hand) and Nottingham (machine) lace makers in his ancestry) From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Maureen <maur...@roger.karoo.co.uk> Following on the discussion about the above topic, there is a book called Well Suited To The Colony, written by Gillian Kelly from Australia, which tells the story of the manufacturers of machine lace from when they left England due to hard times to go to Calais France and then when they left France during the French Revolution, their journey to Australia and what happened to them after that. It is well worth reading. Not only was hand lacemaking a hard lifestyle, see the stories of the children at lace schools but it was for the machine Lacemakers as well. Maureen Yorkshire UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Modern v. traditional
Don't forget that traditional lace would once have been considered "modern" - laces like Maltese and Bedfordshire certainly followed the general designs in use in other media at the time, and all lace had to follow fashion to stay economically viable. In times gone by, it wasn't the lacemakers who designed the lace because working in a cottage industry they simply didn't have the time to consider working out their own patterns. It is possible that those who did "gave up the day job" to go it alone, or if they showed signs of having particular talent were "talent spotted or head-hunted" by the dealers who supervised their work. One would have had to have some financial independence to afford art and design training of any type, and in many cases those designing lace would probably have been working in wider fashion circles - the lace being designed to complement the item it was to adorn. The option for any lacemaker to start designing for him/herself would have most likely de! veloped with the onset of the adult education, when lace was being made as a hobby rather than as a means of earning a living. Design isn't for everyone, and as Sue pointed out, if we all designed, there would be no-one to work our patterns. It is nice, though, when after designing a piece of lace (be it modern or traditional), you find out it has been worked by others - it makes the time spent working on the design worth it. To some extent I think that whether in a class you have some or no students wishing to design is down to the motivation they are given - if the teacher is weak in his/her own design skills, then s/he is less likely to encourage her students to progress in that area (because, maybe subconsciously, s/he doesn't feel confident to guide them if they get stuck). If the teacher has an open mind, with a "why not try, and see if you like it" attitude, and gives the class some opportunity and guidence as to how to do their own thing, even if it is only changing elements in a Torchon pattern rather than sticking with the prescribed stitches, then some might wish to go further in that direction. In the past there have been some teachers who actively or accidentally suppressed any deviation by their students - maybe I'm not the only one to have been put off wearing a piece of jewellery I designed by the reaction to it by my teacher - fortunately that was reversed when I had the piece on! display when I was giving a demonstration and it got so many compliments I started wearing it again. It's a bit like having children - let them learn from their own mistakes, if they want to follow a particular direction, or work on one apect, let them - don't feel you, as a teacher, have to push them into what you want them to learn - sometimes they will carry on (though maybe only in class, for fear of upsetting you) - some will put their toes in the water and decide it isn't for them, others will take the traditional skills they have learned, and move them on into thicker threads, distorted grids and shapes, and wild colours - lace at the end of the day should be what pleases the lacemaker, regardless of whether it is a traditional pattern, designed donkeys' years ago and worked umpteen times, or something they lay musing about in the bath as a "I wonder what will happen if I use those threads?" For the last three days I've been on a stand at New Street Station, Birmingham (UK), promoting the Great Little Trains of Wales; we had a seaside theme (complete with beach (breakdown last night included shovelling up the sand to go back to the beach it came from!) We were asked to take sunhats to wear - so out came mine with the lace (fish outlined by orange gimps set on blue Torchon ground) hatband I designed for a Lace Guild publication (the Penguin Pattern Book, which was a children's story book by Deborah Robinson, illustrated with lace patterns; now long out of print). Watching people passing through the station showed just how much lace is in fashion again now - from collars to skirts and dresses, and facinators - a modern fashion accessory. Wouldn't life be boring if we all did the same thing? Jane Partridge Alex said: It is time for those of us who enjoy making and designing lace in the traditional manner to stand up and say we should also have recognition for our art and craft, and traditional lacemakers usually have a greater understanding of the craft. If you go to any Lace Day the number of traditional lacemakers far outweighs the number of modernists. I am currently running three classes and have only two interested in designing. So why the emphasis on modern lace? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Lace (magazine)
Lace is due out at the end of April, Liz. It is published four times a year, on the last day of July, October, January and April. This issue will be the last of the current membership year, so should have the renewal forms in it. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Elizabeth Ligeti. <lizl...@bigpond.com> The UK Lace should be out soon, too, - shouldn???t it? I believe the Aussie Lace Magazine is in the pipeline, - possibly at the printers, by now. Regards from Liz. In Melbourne, Oz. - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Happy Anniversary
Over the years the question has come up as to whether other means of discussing matters may be better - some have tried ning, others yahoo groups - I seem to remember it was a yahoo group that was (or was to be) set up to discuss the details of the millenium project. It was, to me at least, always too much bother going to find or join other sites so I stuck with Arachne. The main 'problem' with changing to another 'group' was that there were always a number who didn't like whatever group it was for whatever reason - would never use yahoo, facebook, etc. So we stayed with Arachne which continues to serve its purpose well; we've surmounted problems like how to view photos (even when the photo site we were using went down permanently). It may be a little slower in response, but there is always someone to answer a question, no matter how often it is asked. But then, we're lacemakers, we're used to the slower pace of life (vbg). Where facebook is concerned, I did join bobbin lacemakers for a while but left, and find lacemakers (which was set up so that any type of lace can be discussed) far more friendly and helpful. Photos are shared of latest projects, as well as the "where have I gone wrong" photos, which are helpful to beginners. The availability of easy translation has encouraged non-English speaking lacemakers to join in, something we've never quite achieved on Arachne, although the welcome has always been extended with the suggestion that there will usually be someone on the list who can translate, and we don't mind if the standard of English isn't brilliant. It's good to see so many of the 'long in the tooth' Arachnes are still with us. I joined somewhere around July 1995, about three months after it started, after it was mentioned (I think by Jean Peach) on either uk.rec.crafts or rec.crafts.textiles.needlework - it was through sites like that that I discovered that computers had uses for things not just work related! - surprisingly some of the rec.crafts groups are still going, too. Is it time to start considering whether we are going to do/have something special for our 25th anniversary in two years time? (We could set up another yahoo group and then ignore it, in good Arachne tradition - vvbg). Jane Partridge Jane Read wrote... I've recently joined the facebook group 'Bobbin Lacemakers' and I have to say, I think Arachne is much, much more useful. It is sooo much more informative. The facebook group seems to be mainly photos with occasional short questions answers, its not the place to have a 'proper' informed discussion. Long may Arachne continue. Best wishes, Jane In a briefly sunny New Forest - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Finger looping
Jean or Bev Walker might be better than me at identification, but could these braids be formed by tablet weaving? I believe the technique does date back that far, and they certainly look similar to the braids I made as samples at college some years ago? Being a warp/weft technique, it would also explain the loose threads along the sides of some of the braid, possibly where the weft thread has worn away 'on the turn' over the years. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Gilian Dye <gild...@gmail.com> Could these braids be a form of plaiting? (cf Devon's giant plaits introduced a few years back). We each need another lifetime to experiment with such things! Gil - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Bath-changing style of contemporary Needlelace 1970s onwards
I think where Pat Earnshaw was concerned, it would have been through study - on a visit to London, I met up with Elaine Merritt and we attended one of Pat's Tuesday afternoon talks at the V Afterwards, we had tea with her in the museum's tea room. During our discussion I discovered that Pat didn't actually make lace, she studied and wrote about it, and her stitch diagrams in her various technique books were from observation rather than experiment. Devon, I've not come across the word 'diaper' in this context before (I thought it was a word used in the US for baby's nappies!), has it any other meanings? I'm taking it to mean the type of needlelace fabric produced in Hollie Point, where the pattern is formed by spaces, similar in effect to Assissi work in embroidery (and an absolute pain to work - Hollie Point was not an enjoyable part of the C course for me!). Jane Partridge I've been away for a few days, and am now trying to type with a cat draped across my arms! Devon wrote: Pat Earnshaw's Needlelace, Merehurst Embroidery Skills book, 1992, relied more heavily, even in contemporary work, on the buttonhole stitch, be it corded, twisted, or multiply twisted. Perhaps this was a result of the continuing study of the techniques of historical laces where there was not such a large repertoire of different stitches. Perhaps these discoveries were then imported into contemporary needle lace. Devon - - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Colour in lace
Is coloured lace as non-traditional as most people seem to think it is, though? In the V collection there is (or at least, was) a Spanish altar frontal, worked in needlelace, in full colour. If memory serves me well, it dates back to the late 1600s. There is a black and bright, topaz/kingfisher blue collar, worked in bobbin lace in the 1800s. I have written before about the yellow starch that was fashionable for dying ruffs in the 1600s, until the woman who brought the fashion to England was hanged for murder. When, in 1996, I went to Lille with friends to see the exhibition L'Europe de la Dentelles, many of the old pieces from other countries that were displayed were made in coloured threads. Lace that survives is mostly in dealer's pattern books, where white thread would have been sensible - lace was made by the yard and then when someone asked for so many yards in such and such a colour it was most likely dyed to order, the composition of the dyes probably having a detrimental effect on the thread hence little has survived the passage of time. (I'v! e had poor quality black embroidery thread, used for a cross stitch design on a cushion cover, disappear totally in five years). My mother in law and I went to the Nottingham Museum of Costume and Lace before it closed as they had in their collection a wedding dress which belonged to one of her forebears. We know it to have been worn around 1860, and the lace triming the brown dress was also brown (colour, not age). Think also of the stumpwork boxes that are worked in coloured and metallic threads as well as white. We take most of our impression of what lace was available from portraiture - and most portraits show white collars and cuffs. It is known that a good number of artists used their own stock of costume, props and models to prepare portraits ready for the face to be added, to save on sitting time. I doubt many artists could afford coloured lace, and so the pieces they owned would most likely have been white, thus making us think that all lace was white. Like most textiles, lace changes according to fashion. We know that it was Queen Victoria who started the rage for white wedding dresses, and probably an upsurge in the production of white lace to go with it. It is likely that the change from lace being made in white and dyed to suit, to being made in coloured thread, came with changes in fashion and thread production that meant a larger range of thread was produced in colour - not just skeins of silk and cotton used for embroidery. Jane Partridge __ Devon said: But, it is an interesting question. From the need to qualify Needlelace with the term ???fine white traditional??? would I be correct in assuming that the use of color is no longer controversial and that colored pieces worked in buttonhole stitch are now considered lace? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Lace Revival of the 1970s
locos at the railway, who is soon to be back in service after heavy overhaul and one day I really must complete the basket of flowers on my Honiton pillow (which was started on a lace weekend tutored by the late Christine Hawken). Jane Partridge > I think the idea stayed in my brain until I visited the UK in 1994 and saw a > pillow kit in a craft shop. So there must have been a local guild in the > Lichfield area. > Janice >Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, >jblace.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Bone lace
It's just struck me, tapestry weavers could also be weaving their threads with bones, so are we sure this quote relates to lacemaking? Jane Partridge On 21 Feb 2018, at 23:48, DevonThein <devonth...@gmail.com<mailto:devonth...@gmail.com>> wrote: The spinsters and the knitters in the sun And the free maids that weave their thread with bones Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bone lace
It's interesting that this question has come up now, as I was looking through some of the indexes on the Worcester (UK) Records Office website the other day (can't remember the exact url now, and I'm away from home at the preserved railway where I volunteer at the moment), going through the lists of apprentice indentures in case any of my Bromsgrove ancestors were listed (they were nailers) when I got quite a surprise, it would appear that there may well have been a thriving lacemaking community there in the mid to late 1600s (I don't think this was ever mentioned even when the Guild had Convention in Worcester!). The earliest was in 1638, when Elianor Cheshire was apprenticed to a John Baldin for seven years, the latest in 1712, a Sarah Tiler apprenticed to Steven Guilham until she reached the age of 18 - in all I found 19 apprentices, with 18 different 'masters'. (Only one, an Alex Bradley, had two apprentices in 1693). All of them were listed as "bone lace weaver". (I noted the records down on a card which I put in my handbag to have another look at if I got time one evening this week, hence I have the file references listed if anyone is researching that area). The majority were apprenticed for five to seven years, which I can quite appreciate, having taken a similar amount of time over my City & Guilds! Did anyone else know about this area in terms of lacemaking? The term used for their trade, bone lace weaver, is interesting too, as it suggests bone lace as being a recognised weaving technique rather than a separate entity. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Subject lines for posting/Lace Guild Subscriptions
Sorry for being pedatic, Jeri, but these are not memos, they are postings to an Internet group! It can be difficult to remember to change subject lines, particulary since contributing to Arachne is no longer via steam-driven (or so it seemed, they were so slow!) desktop computers as it was when I joined, three months into the list's being. Many of us use our mobile phones, and writing on small devices sometimes makes it difficult to remember to trim posts, which is equally important - we hit send and then think "rats" or words to that effect. However, help is at hand on this specific point, in that Lace has an online index, and OK it might be twelve months before the volunteers undertaking the task catch up (the more volunteers, the quicker the jobs get done) and it will only take seeing the magazine issue mentioned to be able to go to the Guild's website and look to see exactly what was in that magazine. That is, provided a) the Guild can gain enough new members to survive and b) enough volunteers can be found to keep the index going. I have raised the question on the Facebook Lacemakers' page, and I will do so here, but how many realise that electronic subscriptions are now available for Lace, cutting out the need for expensive overseas postage with one worldwide subscription rate? Young Lacemaker is to change its title, and go completely electronic, but for the time being at least Lace is available in both paper and electronic forms. See www.laceguild.org<http://www.laceguild.org> for subscription rates. With an increase in membership/subscribers, hopefully The Lace Guild will survive, without it, I'm sorry to say the future looks somewhat bleak. Hazel's article in the current magazine makes the situation clear. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Jeri Ames <jeria...@aol.com> Sent: 03 February 2018 17:13 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Subject lines for memos Yes, it is perfect to use a publication's name, number and date when telling about the overall contents. Example: ??6 months from now, will you remember that Lace Magazine #169 contained information about gold and silver laces? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] tossing pairs in half stitch
I can't remember which book but there are instructions for removing pairs in half stitch - I haven't done it for years but seem to remember that it is best to drop the pair at an edge rather than in the middle (tie them off before you throw them out completely, though). It might be in the "Cook Book" (Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace) or it might be in Elsie Luxton's Technique of Honiton Lace. Are the instructions for throwing out specifically for that leaf or do they relate more so to one that has a cloth stitch edge and are implied for the variations? Losing a pair in the middle of half stitch is going to make a hole, as does adding or losing a twist. I don't think it is specifically tension as half stitch tends to self-tension. The finer thread might make a slight difference, especially with the difference in the way it was spun, and the type of fibre (which will affect the way it behaves). As to the current leaf, are you going to stiffen it? If so, you could make a spray (with the other leaves you are planning to make) and add berries (which could be large red beads if you don't want to make 3D lace ones) to hide the holes. In any case, by the time you are stood three or four yards away from it you won't see them :-) Jane Partridge Susan wrote: I made the first leaf with DMC special dentelles 80, 30wcm/2S/3Z & I thought it turned out OK. Last week, I used Radix 50, 32wcm, 2Z. The instructions call for tossing out a pair of passives in the middle of the edging to decrease to 10 pairs. I selected the second pair from the outside edge on each side & ended up with unattractive holes in the edging. Is this a matter of improper tension, selecting the wrong pair of passives, using slightly finer thread, a combination of factors, or something else??? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Vintage pattern books DMC
That's where it was! I've just been hunting through old messages in the rec.crafts.needlework group, uk.rec.crafts, etc, (I'm amazed they're still going!) as I thought the discussion was on there rather than on Arachne - it must have been late 1990s as I'm sure it was in the early days. (We've had two computer 'deaths' since then, so although I've still got printouts of some of the ancient useful stuff from the newsgroups, I haven't got all of it) I can remember several people having Therese de Dillmont's book that they were trying to date and there being a reference number on the flysheet (?) which gave it away, someone on the list was a librarian (here in the UK, I think) and had means of translating the codes to dates. She dated a book I had at the time, but unfortunately I can't remember who it was. There was also something about the change of binding methods and obviously paper quality during the 1940s, due to wartime restrictions. The discussion was quite lengthy, though. I was only saying to a work colleague the other day how it was the textile newsgroups that taught me that having internet access on the home computer was something that I would find useful and interesting, rather than it just being a work tool for my husband! How attitudes change over the course of 25 years or so! Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of jvik...@sover.net <jvik...@sover.net> Sent: 18 January 2018 14:42 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Vintage pattern books DMC Hi, Here are a couple comments from the Arachne archives and there are more. One at the bottom of page 2 of DMC search results. I seem to remember a long discussion of this with some more clues. Did Leonard take part in that discussion? Lots of years ago! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Block pillow question
I still don't see why you think half blocks are purely spacers, Malvary. This is the first time in over 25 years of making lace I have heard of this. I have several half blocks, and use them as and when needed, especially when working things like bookmarks, which tend to be 1.5 blocks in length. There is usually no problem with having about a quarter of a block overhang (temporarily) at the top of the pillow, or a similar gap at the bottom, so that you can work comfortably in the centre. Jane Partridge Malvary > The half blocks are purely spacers, if you work on them then they aren't available when you need to move your work only a little. Why wouldn't you work on a full block to be able to turn a corner? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Spulfix bobbin winder for counter-clockwise winding
What you have to remember is that if you reverse the direction the thread is wound in, you also have to reverse the hitch on your bobbins otherwise they will slip. Hold the bobbin in one hand, with your index finger parallel and in line with the short neck and head. Continue the thread round, under the bobbin, over your finger (in whichever direction) and then back between your finger and the bobbin (to form a loop around your finger). Place the tip of your finger on the head of the bobbin, and slide the loop onto the bobbin, thus forming the correct hitch for the direction of wind. I'm currently at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway, in Porthmadog, North Wales, taking a few minutes to sit in the volunteers' caravan (where I stay when I'm here) and let my breakfast go down , with the station cat Meee on my lap, and snow outside. It's our Santa Special weekend, and I'm in charge of the Wish Tree (with the first train at 11am I've got time to catch up on emails!). The snow is a light dusting on the cars, mountains and shed rooves - the ground is too wet for it to settle properly. I think it might be a different story getting home to the Midlands tomorrow. Next year I'm organising three lace events here - Lacemaking Weekends (to sit in the volunteer's lounge and make lace, a sort of lace retreat) at the end of April and mid October, and Lace on the Train - to sit on the train or in the museum making lace and encouraging passengers to have a go. If you would like more details as to how to join in contact me off list. Jane Partridge Joseph said: I wind my midlands this way, I might be doing it in the reverse of what I am supposed to. maybe that's why I have some slipping with my hitch, even though its not on the head of the bobbin, but rather over the wound thread. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Bucks Prickings
Were any of the prickings shown alongside lace made from them? I'm just curious because what is being described as pricking alternate pinholes, and second rows not being complete, could result in the pricking for a different ground to what we know as point ground? In one of the books (I can't remember which, possibly Judith Gwynne's dictionary, if not Alex's) there is a ground of honeycomb stitch (CTTpCTT) referred to as Spanish Ground, and wondered whether this, or Kat Stitch, could have resulted from misreading of an incomplete pricking. Jane Partridge From: f Annette Meldrum <ameld...@ozemail.com.au> They are designed for a triangular mantilla, with the borders heavily worked and the ground worked in strips with flowers at intervals. Pins were expensive, so they only used every second hole and it is evident that only every second row is fully pricked. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Joining ends of a crown
It is a case of disposing of the ends as invisibly as possible, and so you don't want ends from knots showing. You also want a fairly strong join as it will probably be passed down. If the ends are darned in on either side of the join, it gives an even, strong finish. You could also use the overlapping join method, but depending on the diameter of the finished crown this might be fiddly to achieve as you need to keep the tension even. I've used rolling to lose the thread ends when joining garters, but there the join can be positioned on the inside of the leg, with a crown all will be visible. Jane Partridge On 19 Oct 2017, at 16:16, DevonThein <devonth...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there some reason why you wouldn???t just finish it normally and sew it together with a needle? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Fw: Joining ends of a crown
I sent this directly to Sally, but it struck me that it might help others, too. Jane Partridge From: Jane Partridge <mous...@live.co.uk> Sent: 19 October 2017 06:29 To: Sally Jenkins Subject: Re: [lace] Joining ends of a crown Sally, it's effectively the same as if you were joining end to end of a wedding garter, only you haven't got the length to play with. In this case, if you are using a block pillow, do you have half blocks as well as full ones? If you aim to finish the lace mid-block, you can then wrap the rest of it around the block to be able to repin the start in front of the work you have just done. I would, in this case, tie off the pairs individually and cut the bobbins off, leaving lengths of at least twelve inches (in case you find you have made a mistake and need to rewind and rectify it!) before unpinning the end back to that on the single block. (Hope that makes sense). You can then lift the lace and the block off the pillow to make it easier to darn the ends in with a tapestry or ballpoint needle and when finished darning, unpin and slide the lace off the block. Make sure you don't get any twists in the lace before you pin it down and join it! Once joined, you should be able to slide it onto something cylindrical to support it whilst (presumably) stiffening it. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Sally Jenkins <dansing...@gmail.com> Sent: 19 October 2017 03:35 To: J Reardon; lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Joining ends of a crown The joins will be mostly cloth stitch areas. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Apologies- my post re the dangerous email
Sorry, everyone, having just seen the digest I've realised I posted using my phone and forgot to trim the message to the relevant bits. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Dangerous Email
It looks as if Jane Bidston's email account might have been hacked, the name of the person sending is attached to her email address if you look at who it was from, which is probably why it landed in my spam box, and I subsequently deleted it. It could equally be someone else's account that has been attacked though. Jane Partridge On 24 Sep 2017, at 13:37, "catherinebar...@btinternet.com" <catherinebar...@btinternet.com> wrote: Thanks Joseph I received this email too, which set alarm bells ringing as I wondered why the sender didn't ask her questions for help there and then on the list, rather than have to look on them at the link given, so decided not to open it! Catherine Barley UK where it's a beautiful September day after the continual cold and wet days we've suffered for many weeks! Sent from my iPad Catherine Barley Needlelace www.catherinebarley.com > On 24 Sep 2017, at 12:56, Joseph Young <graceadlerdesi...@outlook.com> wrote: > > Hey Arachnids, I recieved an email from the list today that triggered my > security systems. I urge you to not follow the link in the email. The > subject line of the message is ❣yahoo new work. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Keeping track of where you are
It's interesting to read the different ways different people tackle the problem, and I'm sitting here wondering how many who regularly use the ghost pillow/voodoo board method were self taught? It is something I haven't used, in the "something to stick pins into" version, though I have at times kept a diagram or pattern draft at hand to check, especially with my latest bracelet when I was manipulating the threads to work specific stitches in specific colours (I've submitted this pattern to the CLG for publication). My problem is often not so much where I am on a pattern (ie which pinhole to work next), as which stitch I was using for that section of ground - particularly when I've come back to the lace three or more weeks/months later! In the fifteen years I was teaching, I recognised early on that not all lacemakers can follow diagrams, and sometimes for them it was a case of step by step written instructions. Many understand the words "cross" and "twist" easier than the numbering of bobbins (2 over 3 etc always leaves me tongue-tied, and I'm numerically minded!). To teach how the various combinations of cross and twist affect the thread paths, and thus how to understand construction, I found it easier to get students to work a sampler using a different colour on each pair. (Stranded embroidery cotton is a relatively easy way of amassing enough colours without spending a lot). Pattern marking also helps - expecially marking in the unpinned corner stitches in roseground with a cross, showing where the relevant pairs have come from/are going to. As you progress, you don't need to mark your pattern as much - but if you are not using a covering film make sure you are using waterproof ink! Good light and a magnifying glass help in identifying which is the top pinhole of the next diagonal to be worked, especially when working Bucks at an angle of 36 degrees (the most difficult aspect of that was getting my head round the extreme steepness of the downhill slope!). The basic rule of not working uphill (except for the gap rows in honeycomb, and as one of my teachers, Jennifer Ford, put it, "in floral Bucks when you are cheating") means that if you understand that geometric lace is worked (in nearly all cases) on a diagonal, from the unworked pinhole furthest away from you, along a diagonal line to the pinhole closest to you, and that you take the pairs from either side of that top pinhole to work the stitch, you can usually work out where you are and where you need to go next without too much difficulty. Sometimes there is more than one choice, and then it usually doesn't really matter which you work first. In Torchon, when you are working a cloth or half stitch e! lement (eg a diamond shape), or a winkie-pin edge, leaving the last pin uncovered when you stop makes it obvious where you need to go next. Spangled bobbins make it easy to tie a "tell-tail" onto the worker bobbin (half stitch) or bobbins. Then it is just a matter of practicing the stops and starts having two cats demanding to be let in or out at regular intervals, or family to interrupt, ensures you get plenty of practice! That said, using an enlarged diagram covered in plastic film or laminated, and having low-tack adhesive stickers or dry wipe pens to mark your place sounds a much better idea than sticking pins in or drawing over the lines. It means that if you decide to do the same pattern again, you can re-use your original enlarged copy, rather than having to reproduce it. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Mending fences for 2017 Arachne exchange
Historically it has always been this time of year when tensions have got fraught on the list for one reason or another. Let's take a deep breath and find out what the history is before reacting. So far, I've seen Lin's posts about the exchange (I didn't sign up, I haven't got enough time), and Daphne's pointed question about Janet not doing it. I haven't seen anything from Janet herself, either on the reflected list or the digest. It might be that Lin hasn't trodden on any toes and that Janet is happy for her to do the massive task of organising it all, but unless we hear that from Janet herself we won't know. Has anyone actually heard anything from her? Jane Partridge On 8 Sep 2017, at 08:10, "je...@brandis.com.au" <je...@brandis.com.au> wrote: My suggestion is that each exchange has its own organiser. Jenny Brandis - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Apologies
I think the major will have trimmed it off, but there's a possibility that the preview photo that comes up on my phone from the link to the Arachne Flickr account may come through at the end of my email - I was trying to trim everything off and delete the photo when I hit send by mistake. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: question
When I was doing my City & Guilds, we used braid and tape for narrow trails - tape for machine made, braid for hand made. Plaits are lengths of ct,ct,ct (half stitch repeated with the same two pairs). In English, we tend only to use braid for plait when referring to hair (3 strand plaits), and even then plait is the preferred term. Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com<mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com> <owner-l...@arachne.com<mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com>> on behalf of Ilske Thomsen <ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de<mailto:ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de>> Hello everybody especially English native lacemaker, I am always unsure which I should take braidorplate . When do you use which or which do you use [https://farm1.staticflickr.com/3/5118236_94f976f34e_b.jpg] <https://www.flickr.com/photos/gommit/5118236/> - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Fw: About OUR Exhibition of 1998
I think Bobbin Lacemakers is a closed group, so some of us who are on Facebook won't be able to see them, either. Are you a member of Lacemakers on Facebook, David? Jane Partridge No, No, David... Please put the photos on Flicker if possible so that those of us not on Facebook can see them. Pretty Please!! Cheers, Shirley T. On 6/18/2017 10:56 PM, David C Collyer wrote: > I can put some on Bobbin Lace Makers in Facebook. >> David in Ballarat, AUS - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] 19th Century Lace books
Just a passing thought - I know a good number of lacemakers tend to take Mrs Bury Palliser with a pinch of salt on some matters, particularly regarding early lace history which many other authors have copied without researching back to primary evidence, but one thing she would have been fairly reliable on, surely, must be the lace that was being made within her own life time, and her history was written ?around 1865 (not sure if there were any earlier versions, she was born in 1805), well within memory of the Great Exhibition and the effect it had on the fashions of the day. For example, those of us who were teenagers in the 60s will well remember what sort of thing we were wearing then, particularly the trendy new things of the time (think of Mary Quant's designs - the stylised black flowers on shiny white plastic, etc). Santina Levey, although a highly regarded expert, did not have the advantage of living through the era of the newly inspired lace patterns of the 1850s, so on that I would tend to look to the older, contemporary, published histories than the relatively new ones in determining what was what at the time. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Fw: Bedfordshire lace
It is generally accepted that Bedfordshire lace developed somewhere around 1851-1852 in the wake of the Great Exhibition of 1851 at Crystal Palace, where Maltese lace was exhibited. The machine industry had taken much of the trade away from the East Midland lacemakers, so the designers like Thomas Lester were looking for ideas that the machines could not easily copy, and were quicker to produce than the labour intensive Buckinghamshire Point that had been made in those areas up until then (Bedfordshire, Northamptonshire and Buckinghamshire are adjoining counties where point laces were made). If you compare the laces, you will see that Bedfordshire is very similar to Cluny and Maltese, but has the 'raised' look of Honiton, due to the method used for taking pairs in and out of trails. Although called Bedfordshire, it was made in the neighbouring counties; I have a Beds collar made in the Buckinghamshire town of Olney in 1910 (given to me by the son of the lacemaker who made it). The design aspect of Bedfordshire followed the general design fashions of the time, across many different media - if you look at the architecture of the late 19th century you will see similarities between wrought and cast ironwork and the lace designs. This is because design then did follow through as a 'common core', similar to the design work we did for City and Guilds (lacemakers doing the same elements of design in their course as embroiderers, florists, upholsterers, etc) whereas in the 20th century design generally moved away from the idea that designs and patterns used in architecture could be followed through to textiles around the home (which earlier architects, eg Voysey and Morris, would have designed as well as the house itself). This dawned on me after a Lace Guild Convention when I was sat on Bristol Temple Meads railway station waiting for a train home, looking at the ironwork and wondering which came first - and later using the question as the basis for my design research - both I discovered were contemporary; borne out even further when I discovered rather a rather charming ray of Bedfordshire leaf tallies in the iron canopy support at Nuneaton Railway Station (Platforms 4 and 5). Torchon lace was also fairly late coming to England, as again it was fairly quick to make so could compete against the machine industry - it likewise is attributed to the 19th century here, but was made much earlier on the continent. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Lace magazine/ official email addresses
Jeri, Clare is a member of the current Executive Committee of The Lace Guild. She is also a member of Arachne in her personal capacity - so her return address will be a personal one (I don't think I have ever seen a committee member of any of the organisations join Arachne in an official capacity, since it started in 1995, but I may be wrong). I'm sure it would be lovely for the Guild to be able to afford time, money and expertise to set up official accounts for those working outside The Hollies, but the practicalities of ensuring there will always be someone with the knowledge to promptly change the forwarding addresses when the committee changes or someone resigns, or affording a professional to do that for them, make it one of those things that have been discussed and left at that (as you will be aware, I'm a former Hon Sec of The Lace Guild). Other matters take priority where charity finances are concerned. BTW, your email, amazingly, has come through direct on the reflected list - it seems some do, some don't - mostly I have to wait for the digest to see what you have written, Jeri! Jane Partridge -- Jeri wrote: Dear Clare, As one who has promoted The Lace Guild to members of Arachne quite often, may I ask: Are you associated with "Lace"? If so, it would be nice if The Lace Guild provided an official e-mail address to you. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace in India
We did have an Indian lacemaker, Sulachona, on Arachne some years ago. I don't know if she is still around? Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lace dogs, migration
The reference to lacemakers moving to Normandy possibly relates to the machine lacemakers. After trouble with Luddites in Loughborough then Nottingham, John Heathcote moved his bobbinet factory to Devon, and from there machines were smuggled (after being stripped down to smaller parts) to Calais - workers later migrated to Australia. There are tales of dogs being used to aid the smuggling of lace from France to England, and it struck me that a small dog like this breed would be a likely candidate. There was some movement from France to England due to religious persecution but this, I think, was in the late 16th and early 17th centuries, much earlier than the impression I got of when the dogs were popular. The late Dr John Yallop dispelled a lot of the myths surrounding the religious migrants in his History of the Honiton Lace Industry, having done what a lot of the lace 'historians' didn't do and checked primary evidence. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Lace dog
Having on occasions tried to make lace with one or other of our cats on my lap, I can't for one minute imagine any professional lacemaker having a dog on his/her lap, which would prevent easy continuation of work, and add the risk of stray dog hair getting into the lace and ruining hours of work. More likely they were kept as ratters (as in the other article) than lapdogs. Jane Partridge Charlotte wrote: While watching the Westminster Dog Show they talked about a dog that was the lacemakers dog. Please see: https://www.petcha.com/life-with-a-frenchie/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Promoting Lace - "Lace in Fashion" exhibit in Bath
I think Malvary is wishing January away quickly - the next issue of Lace isn't due to be published until the last day of the month. (Just in case anyone panics thinking theirs is late). I'm another of the team of proofreaders, but tend to read and forget what's in it until my magazine arrives (otherwise as I've already read it cover to cover, it would make it pointless having the paper copy!) - so yes, I did know about what was going on, but unless I get to see exhibitions for myself don't feel I can comment on them; time, travel expenses and other commitments mean I rarely get to see exhibitions unless they are local and in easy public transport reach. Jane Partridge Jeri will be pleased to know that there is an article about this exhibition in the next issue of Lace (165), which should be arriving any time soon. Malvary in Ottawa (who proof read this about a month ago) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re Black Lace Tie at top of Lace Guild website pages
Several times whilst I was on the Guild Exec, The Lace Guild required quotes for various things from various companies, who produced reports including the black tie image to show that they had done their homework, and were using the Guild's logo on their report!!! This of course showed quite the opposite, as the Guild's Logo is the blue Catherine Wheel, merely that they had looked at the website and copied what they thought was the logo. So, it must be fairly easy to "grab" and use the frame without necessarily having to screen shot it. Jeri, your bargain buy possibly has a bigger claim to fame now than you thought it had! Jeri wrote: >Before the website format that Jean and David Leader created disappears, >back on January 12th I suggested you print a copy of the home page and tuck >it in one of the lace books Jean wrote. Printing may work for you, but >when I tried to do it - the page printed, but the black lace tie space was >blank. Another interesting point - so that I don't miss out on the emails posted by Jeri and others affected, I subscribe to the digest as well as the reflected list. If I "reply" to the reflected list, it brings up the lace@arachne.com address. I've hit reply to the digest list on this one, and it brought up the don't.panix address instead. Several times Arachnes have been chided over using that address (mainly because it doesn't copy to the archive), but it may be that those Arachnes are in fact digest users simply hitting "reply" and expecting the address hidden under "Arachne" in their 'To' field to be lace@arachne.com, but it coming up with the don't.panix address instead. Jane Partridge Looking forward to seeing the new, updated Lace Guild website, hopefully now not too far in the future. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Lace Fish, finished in a short beginner session
Whereas in this case, Alex has generously given her permission for these patterns to be shared, it should never be assumed that published patterns are for anyone to share in any particular form as the person or lace group who has gained permission from the copyright owner chooses. It may be, as with all of my patterns, the designer is happy to give permission to an individual to use for teaching, but does not want his/her patterns published on the Internet. Not all demonstrators are teachers or designers, but a simple outline is easy to draw, (or take a leaf from your garden and draw round it) place dots for pinholes spaced evenly (3mm apart for cotton perle 8 or metallics eg goldrush) down each side and work it before the event to check and tweak if necessary. Then as it is your own individual piece you don't have to worry about asking permission to use copyright material. Several leaf shapes together will form a flower. You will also find people insisting on calling your ! leaf/petal a fish!!! Jane Partridge Begin forwarded message: > From: jeria...@aol.com > Date: 13 January 2017 17:15:09 GMT > To: lace@arachne.com > Subject: Re: [lace] Lace Fish, > > We discussed these little bobbin lace fish several years ago. At the > time, someone provided access to the instructions and a pricking - probably on > a local lace group's website. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Arachne Handbook etc
Just to clarify, I'm thinking it's the link that's causing it in the same way that if you include a hyperlink in a post on Facebook it brings up a preview page of the website. I think it is only with Joseph's posts, but I'm intrigued as to how it gets through the normal stripping of attachments by the server? It also only seems to be when I'm using my laptop, not my phone. Or is it an Outlook thing? Joseph, do you recognise the description of the photo? I'm not clicking the link, the photo just there, at the bottom of the post under the link, both on reflected and digest versions. Jane Partridge The 'problem' I have is that the hyperlink to the flickr page brings up an attached photograph of a young man at a table with several pots of yoghurt on it - presumably advertising of some sort - and this happens every time the link is repeated, especially when posts are not trimmed (and I've made that mistake a couple of times recently, too!!). Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Arachne Handbook etc
Joseph (and anyone else interested) If you want to check what was written in the handbook (it's a bit dated now, even though I think I updated some of the info re long gone websites when I posted it) you should be able to find it in the Archives (search for posts with my name and handbook). There were two parts to it originally. I think I've still got the files saved, but having changed computer to laptop and also changed ISP over the years, might not be able to lay my mouse on it quickly. It isn't all rules, some of it is the history of things like why we have two lists when we started with one, what exchanges were going on then (we've done bookmarks, Christmas ornaments, Christmas cards) and so on, plus a bit of netiquette for those who don't know. Timely reminders like remember some lacemakers may have young children reading over their shoulders (mine have grown up, left home and had their own children in the time I've been on the list - frightening, isn't it?) so mind your language and censor the jokes (it's what chat is for!). Remember not all countries have their celebrations at the same time, so some will be busy with family life when others have nothing other than the computer to amuse them - it's also difficult when your children have flown the nest, especially if you live on your own, to remember when school/college terms start and finish, and how much time they took up! Those times can be particularly stressful, and it is often when a joke can be taken the wrong way - fortunately flaming these days is rare, but there have been times in the run up to Thanksgiving/Christmas when, like all 'families', we've squabbled amongst ourselves. On top of that, we've had some laughs over the years (very politically incorrect these days) because of the difference in UK/Aussie humour and US humour - and I well remember the discussions over the US question of what on earth we (UK/Australia) need a lace cake band for - we said we used royal icing on our Christmas cakes and it was to hide a multitude of flaws in our icing skills where the sides of the cake were concerned - they asked 'royal icing, what's that?' - and as for Marmite. I'm sure the other long-in-the-tooth Arachnes will remember it well! But through it all, in the days of learning to communicate internationally, we learnt a lot not only about lace, but how others see things, and gradually worked out how not to upset people. We've seen new 'faces' join, we've seen others leave the list or, sadly, leave this world altogether. Their words of wisdom live on in the Archives - that is somewhere else that Arachne has an edge over Facebook - finding something that was posted two days ago is easy on Arachne, on Facebook it can take months! The main advice is never to worry that you have asked a silly question, or that it has been asked on several occasions before. You *may* get someone telling you to go and look it up, but that is off-putting to a beginner, and it may mean another week of a very quiet list because everyone is racking their brains for something brand new to say!!! I'm sure we have discussed pincushions before, but I have never heard of the wire wool and soap idea. I have been told that using polyester (of the toy stuffing variety) can blunt/dull the pins, and learnt enough in science at school, and in practice since, to know that brass tarnishes (as does silver) when exposed to moisture and air, and that one of the components of brass - copper - will gain a coating of verdigris, especially when it is in contact with the acid in pricking card, and this will leave a turquoise/blue stain on your lace if you leave the pins in for too many years which reminds me, maybe 2017 is time to get on with the piece of Honiton I started under the watchful eye of the late Christine Hawken and is still on my pillow! (The solution to tarnished brass pins is also to be found in the Archives... don't chuck them away, use a bowl of water with a bit of vinegar and a drop or two of washing up liquid - soak them for a while and they will come up like new again.) The 'problem' I have is that the hyperlink to the flickr page brings up an attached photograph of a young man at a table with several pots of yoghurt on it - presumably advertising of some sort - and this happens every time the link is repeated, especially when posts are not trimmed (and I've made that mistake a couple of times recently, too!!). Jane Partridge Roughly in the middle of England From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Joseph Young <graceadlerdesi...@outlook.com> Sent: 02 January 2017 15:12 Subject: Re: [lace] Arachne Flickr page I tried to download the "handbook" from Majordomo server, but i got an error message telling me that there was no such file. I didn't want to breach any of your rules when posting, so i have been mainly posting replies. -- Regards, Joseph - To
[lace] Re: Lace-related Treasures for Day Dreamers
Thanks, Noelene, for alerting us to Jeri's message before the digest comes out. I had been wondering what this magazine was about, especially with the recent UK TV series about Queen Victoria finishing just before I noticed it in the listings we get (my husband is an independent newspaper roundsman). For anyone in the UK who is interested, it is available from newsagents here (we can order it from the major distributor we use so I assume those newsagents ordering from the other major distributor should be able to, too), the next issue is due out on the 27 January and it is priced at £4.95. The current issue is out of stock at the distributors, but at least there's the on-line option Jeri mentioned to see the lace. Jane Partridge Jeri said: The January/February 2017 "Victoria" magazine shows a SweetMarveLace lace doily in a lovely photo on page 20. ..I buy the ($5) magazine at the book store 6 times per year (for privacy and to stay off any shared lists), - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Reply to email about Let's Celebrate photos
Sorry, I hit send before trimming, forgot because it's early morning (waiting for newspapers to be delivered for our round) and I'm using my phone so can't see the text below my signature in the tiny bit of screen. Will try and remember in future! Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Exchange update/Lace magazine
I suspect that the reason why the photos are not put on the website is because the Guild usually produces a cd/dvd of them for sale, and free access to them via the website would defeat the object. Contact The Hollies (holl...@laceguild.org) if you would like to buy one, I'm fairly certain I saw Michelle with a stack she was sending out when I was there a week or so ago. Jane Partridge On 24 Nov 2016, at 02:13, Janice Blair <jbl...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: I am feeling virtuous, I mailed my exchange cards last Monday and sent my scans and details to Jenny. Looking forward to getting cards back from England and Slovenia. I got my Lace magazine last weekend and have almost finished reading it from cover to cover. I noticed that Sue Babbs got a Medal of Excellence in the Lets Celebrate competition. There are photos of the winning pieces but not the lower awards. Sue, maybe you can put a photo of your winning piece on the Arachne Flickr site. That goes for any other Arachne members that may have had an entry. I don't think that the Lace Guild puts other photos on their website. It would be nice if we could see them as not everyone has the opportunity of going to the exhibition. Janice Janice Blair Murrieta, CA, www.jblace.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: List is quiet
I think as others have said we are all busy - I'm currently away from home, at the preserved railway in Porthmadog where I'm a volunteer shedmaster, because I've organised a lacemaking weekend here to raise funds (ie tomorrow and Sunday) for the railway. I've not had the chance to make much lace recently, other than on the Fridays when I take my turn to demonstrate at The Hollies (The Lace Guild HQ), partly due to dealing with the amount of paperwork that goes into being the wife of an independent newspaper roundsman (no-one sees the hours we work in addition to driving round delivering their daily papers!) and partly being out of action for two months over the summer with cellulitis in my left leg - which is now improving, slowly, and I'm beginning to get back to my normal activities. I wish I could get over to Porthmadog more frequently; it looks as if there could be the beginnings of interest for a young lacemaker group in and around Criccieth, if there is anyone local to the area who could help. The local group's teacher moved away, so they have understandably become a closed unit, and although we can raise awareness with lace events at the railway, there isn't a class here that we can recommend for follow-up. Tomorrow I'll be starting on a new bookmark design, guess who came away with everything, including pattern, thread, pricking card, pricking board, etc.. except her pricker - I managed to buy a four needle Pergamano tool in the town today, which will make pricking at Honiton spacing a doddle but will require patience and concentration to prick one hole at a time for a 2mm spaced Bucks pattern! Jane Partridge From: owner-l...@arachne.com <owner-l...@arachne.com> on behalf of Janis Savage <thelacepl...@hotmail.co.za> Sent: 13 October 2016 14:49 To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] List is quiet Is the list very quit or have I somehow removed myself from it by mistake? The last message I had was on 8th October. Janis in South Africa - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Lacemakers' biographies
I'm quoting part of Jeri's post below, as I wouldn't have seen it if I didn't subscribe to lace digest as well as the reflected list, and I'm sure there are others in the same boat. I'm not sure if Jeri and others are aware, but some years ago The Lace Guild started putting together "Mini Biographies" - a project where a number of well-known lacemakers were interviewed by the volunteers undertaking the project and the results - I can't remember if these were only tape recordings (that was how long ago it was!) or whether they were transcribed into other media - are kept in the reference section of the Guild's library at The Hollies. If I remember correctly, whilst I was on the Exec a couple of years ago, there was some talk of updating these biographies, and possibly adding more to them. Maybe someone on the current Exec or Education Sub-Committee can give a bit more information, and maybe there may be a few willing volunteers who could add to the collection? I think a copy of the article on Sue Willoughby went into Lace shortly after she died. -- Some of you may know of a lacemaker whose life needs to be remembered. A very good example is on the website of the North Cheshire Lace Makers, which invites you to look at the page celebrating the life of Sue Willoughby. (Something like this could be adapted for local news media - and can inspire others.) I have put a paper copy in a small binder in my library, so it will be a kept tribute on this side of the Atlantic. This would be such a good project to emulate - for every lace person who has been an influence on your lace lives. Think about it. And be one who shares. Thus ends my sermon-of-the-day. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Articles for Guild Magazines
>From: jeria...@aol.com >Subject: Re: [lace] Olympic tribute to lace >Lace bulletin writers from IOLI, The Lace Guild, OIDFA, etc. - please give >us articles about this subject! This is something that might be of >interest to a younger audience, and we need to get them interested in lace in >any >way we can! " I can't speak for the others, but where The Lace Guild is concerned, it isn't expected that the Editor will write everything in Lace. Many members of the Guild have expertise in areas that she doesn't. The Lace Guild doesn't have an editorial team to write articles, as maybe some of the other publications do, and is reliant on members to submit new articles and patterns. I believe that you are a member of the Guild, Jeri, and you have shown yourself on Arachne to be a very proficient writer, so why don't you write something for Lace? Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Back stitching with sewings
If you are working to an existing pinhole and sewing into it, then you simply need to sew into the same pinhole twice. In Honiton lace when you work a raised edge you sew into the bars (one into the top and one into the bottom bar instead of the side loop of the rib formed by the runner. You probably want a flat join, so sew twice into the loop. Jane Partridge On 18 Aug 2016, at 19:02, Susan <hottl...@neo.rr.com> wrote: Hello All! In over my head again & hope someone will point me in the right direction! I'm working a narrow strip of half stitch lace that turned back upon itself at a pivot pin. So now I'm working next to the completed half stitch strip where the "inside" pin is reused as a sewing. Except that the now I need to make a backstitch to level out the lace. The general instructions for a backstitch call for passing the workers behind the pin & placing them to the right of the waiting edge pair, then make the edge stitch before continuing back to the other side. It doesn't seem like this would hold the stitch in place because it doesn't have a pin or a sewing to connect it. What am I missing here? The strip is quite narrow & the half stitch area is densely packed, but is that enough to maintain the correct position of the stitch? I looked in Practical Skills but didn't find an answer. Can someone please lend a hand? Many thanks. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Sewing Out
I was taught that the sewing made when you are joining ends together is effectively a half hitch, and to secure that with another half hitch - then to darn the ends in (one of a pair going forwards, the other back). This is strong enough to withstand washing. Many times we are making pieces that are not going to be entered into competitions or subject to frequent washing, so we just tie off the ends and trim close - after all the time we have spent making the lace this 'short cut' can often ruin the look, unless the knots can be hidden along a gimp line. If the piece is to be framed (and stay in the frame) or sewn onto something then you can sew the ends through the fabric you are mounting it on and hide them that way. Of course, if you are making an edging that will be sewn into a seam at either end there is no need to tie off - think of how you would treat a piece of machine lace - the construction is virtually the same, but we think nothing of just cutting to length - a! nd neither would the lacemakers and dealers a century or two ago when a certain amount was made and cut off the pillow for a customer - tying knots in the ends was then an unnecessary waste of precious time! Ends were cut and seamed together as with any fabric. Jane Partridge On 15 Aug 2016, at 22:59, J Reardon <j...@zoominternet.net> wrote: When ending a project, I tie a square knot and sometimes another knot, so there are 3 half hitches, with each pair, as I've read that is what should be done. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Supporting young lacemakers
I think it's a mix of several reasons - doing crafts because celebrities are, because their peers are, or because they need to learn a technique for some aspect of their course. Celebrities have their place - Una Stubbs (actress) more or less started a knitting craze some years back. In the late 1960s it was an actress sat tatting whilst telling the story so far at the beginning of a popular soap (I can't remember her name, but she played Amy Turtle in Crossroads) that started my mom's interest, which lasted her the rest of her life - mom tatted my wedding tiara. My sister worked on the haberdashery and wool counter in a large department store and quite often served the actress - and saw the sales of thread and equipment increase as a result. Jane Partridge On 22 Jul 2016, at 17:06, Devon Thein <devonth...@gmail.com> wrote: I would also take issue with the idea that knitting and crochet are popular because celebrities are doing them. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: lace magazines/membership
I wasn't slating you, but if you were in the position I am, regularly visiting The Hollies, you would possibly feel the same way when someone appears to suggest that sharing is acceptable, even if that wasn't exactly what was meant. Unfortunately, a lot of people have the misconception that sharing is acceptable, and seem to think that it is OK because they are the only one doing it, right? - but that is not the case, and the point I was trying to get over is that sharing increases subscription rates, decreases membership numbers and eventually kills off the organisation in question. This is why the Guild had to stop the group memberships - they desperately need to increase their income if they are going to survive. It is good that you both support the Guild, and I wasn't in any way apportioning blame, just expressing my frustration that a lot of people think this course of action (whether it is called "sharing" or "buying co-operatively" it has the same potential consequence) is acceptable in the first place. I was under the impression from what I was told was that the reason the Circle failed was a bit of both - lack of members and lack of members willing to serve on their Committee. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: lace magazines/membership
Unfortunately Joepie is not the only one who shares her magazines with other people. This sharing results in loss of income to the Guilds and organisations producing the magazines, to the extent that they have to increase their subscription rates (as The Lace Guild are hoping to get members' approval for at their AGM on Sunday) which has a knock on effect of discouraging renewal - and could very well put their survival at risk. Can I make the same plea as has been made many times before, and ask you to stop sharing your magazines before more lace organisations have to close as the Circle did? I was also concerned that because I can't attend the AGM and asked for a proxy form to vote, I discovered I was the only member who has done so - too late now for this year, but please use your vote, proxy forms are available to all members, and can be emailed to those living overseas. Please support the organisations behind the magazines you subscribe to. Jane Partridge On 6 May 2016, at 06:43, J-D Hammett <jdhamm...@msn.com> wrote: I know it seems a lot, but I share with my best friend who is also a lace maker ;-) Joepie, East Sussex, UK, - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: happy birthday
Arachne started on 12 April 1995, I joined in July that year, so that makes 'us' 21. Strangely enough I'd totally forgotten the significance of the date, just had a feeling all day that 12th April was somebody's birthday. Happy birthday to us! Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk > Subject: Re: [lace] Re happy birthday > From: cearbh...@gmail.com > > Just how old are we now? I seem to recall it was still the 80's when I joined... Or the VERY early 90's. > > Cearbhael > Sent from my iPhone - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Used book prices - The Lace Guild's book offerings
Something's changed... this is the first time in ages I've been able to see one of Jeri's messages without the aid of the digest! Just a couple of points. No matter where you call from, if you are asking about something in the library and it is a day when Sara is in the office, then you will be put on hold whilst the call is transferred to her, and she may not be at her desk at that particular moment. Calls during lunch are taken by the answerphone. If Sara is not in the office, then it may require a message to be taken and acted upon later. The Guild currently has (or soon will have) a new member of staff in training, and if s/he answers the phone s/he can't be expected to know everything - at least, not for the first six months or so! So please be patient. Also, if you are phoning from abroad, it can be difficult to work out what is being said when lines are not clear and accents not familiar - I have to cover reception at work two days a week and there are times when I have to ask people to repeat themselves two or three times before I can work out what has been said - there are slight differences ! between US and UK English which can also make comprehension difficult! Secondly, our Bank Holidays (in England and Wales; Scotland and NI do their own thing!) are not that difficult to work out. New Years' Day (or the nearest Monday if it falls on a Saturday or Sunday); Good Friday, Easter Monday, the first (May Day) and last (Spring) Mondays in May; the last Monday in August, Christmas Day and Boxing Day (again, if these fall on Saturday or Sunday then the holiday is the Monday or Monday and Tuesday). Most offices I have worked in take Monday and Tuesday off for Easter and the Spring and August Bank Holidays, but I think the staff at The Hollies only have the basic days. Friday is Members Day at The Hollies. Just occasionally we get an extra day at Her Majesty's command, but not very often. Jeri is correct, The Guild's membership has fallen dramatically over the years to the point where membership income nowhere near covers costs, so donations and legacies are very welcome (as they are with any charity). I hate to think what effect the latest Government rulings on minimum (living wage) pay and employers' pension contributions are going to have - it will make survival difficult for many small charities and businesses, I'm sure. Guilds such as IOLI, OIDFA, The Lace Guild, etc are terrific resources for lacemakers and few realise that the relevant magazine is probably the smallest benefit they can gain through their membership. The word "Guild" can be off-putting for a new lacemaker, who might not think they are up to "standard", but believe me membership is probably one of the best moves a beginner can make, in having thousands of patterns, advice, information and contacts at their fingertips either an email or phone call away. No money to buy books? Or the one y! ou want is out of print? Your annual subscription may give you access to a library you can borrow it from. As they say, use it or lose it. Jane Partridge mous...@live.co.uk > From: jeria...@aol.com > Here is a first-rate suggestion: > Jean Leader announced March 26th - on Arachne - the "used book" sale at > The Lace Guild in England, as follows: > AT callers from U.S. should dial 011 + 44 - 1384 390739 Immediately > tell the person who answers that you are calling from the U.S., so you won't > be put on "hold". > We never know when the Monday "bank holidays" are, so call other days of > the week. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: Milanese books
They might be listed at silly prices, but do any actually sell? Everything is only worth as much as someone is prepared to pay, no matter what value someone else (expert or not) puts on it. Jane Partridge On 1 Apr 2016, at 22:38, Sue Harvey <sueharve...@btinternet.com> wrote: I love these books but no way are they worth $200 each and I wonder what it is that actually warrants them fetching that sort of price? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Lace Article in New Mexico/email problems
Likewise I didn't get the original message in this thread, but as to the lost messages in general, I think I have solved the problem by subscribing to the digest as well as keeping my long in the tooth reflected list subscription. By doing so, I can now see what Jeri writes (and hopefully, Devon, when she writes again) but tonight, low and behold, there was the original post in this thread included in the digest. Why it isn't in the archives I don't know, I very rarely have time to go chasing through them for possible missed messages. Jeri's message about updating the list is interesting, but are we gaining enough new members to Arachne to make the considerable time and effort worthwhile? The list is extremely quiet compared to the days when we had to split the list in two (lace and chat) to cope with the amount of mail coming into our mailboxes every day! In the past there have been (at least suggestions of) offshoot Yahoo groups to discuss various projects (like the world map we were going to do for the millennium, but I think never got round to) and these, I suspect, have come and gone as we've never heard of them again. The younger generation (and many of us older ones!) now use Facebook, and there are very active groups for lacemakers (with a good few Arachnes amongst them) who communicate and share photos on a much more frequent basis than that which is being done here. Whether or not, in a few years, Avital will (between runs and office moves) be able to put her feet up is yet to be seen, but somehow I doubt Arachne will have much conversation going on in another twenty or so years. Technology changes fast, and Arachne projects (other than the exchanges) tend to start slow and grind to a halt! The Yahoo/AOL problem doesn't only affect the messages on lists like these - it causes problems at work, too, where we cannot always reliably expect a message sent to be received if sent from my boss' live account, but if sent from the BT account it usually gets through. I have been known, in desperation, to print and either fax or (snail-mail) post an email before now! What it probably needs is all of the businesses who are affected to complain, but I'm not holding my breath on that one! Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk > From: jean...@hotmail.co.uk > To: lace@arachne.com > Subject: RE: [lace] Lace Article in New Mexico > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 08:22:35 + > > I didn't get the original message either and it isn't in the archive, I don't > receive any mail from AOL addresses, but was unawate that Yahoo was a problem. > The only way I can see those from Jeri is to go to the archive even though I > put her on my allowed list. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Bobbin lace in Celtic nations
You haven't mentioned any time period - is the demonstration meant to reflect what is being done in the regions regarded as having a Celtic past now, or in historical times? If now, then you could probably make more or less anything as most modern lacemakers don't worry about only working the lace previously made in their town or region. If it is historical, then you need to consult the history books (you might find something like Martine Bruggeman's book L'Europe de la Dentelle useful, if you can read French) as to what was being made in the period you are trying to represent. A lot of the laces we know now (Limmerick, and Bedfordshire being two that spring to mind) developed from other lace techniques in the 19th Century. Tatting is reckoned to be 19th, with its origins in knotting. Needlelace and bobbin lace in general go back further. Just because there isn't a traditional history of lacemaking in a town or region doesn't mean that lace wasn't being made there - one member of my husband's family (a large Bedfordshire lacemaking family) lived and worked in Oswestry, which is on the Welsh border. We know that lace was used as a means of earning an income by agricultural workers during the winter, and we also know that (once the English feudal system was out of the way) the field workers travelled to find work, so may have taken their lace with them. (I was always under the impression that our ancesters "stayed put" until I discovered that my 4xGr Grandfather was a mail coach driver, and he moved from Devises to Coventry!). In a message dated 3/11/2016 4:30:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dansing...@gmail.com writes:Hello all,In 2 months I will be demonstrating bobbin lace at a Celtic Festival. Mostof the festival involves music and dance, but the organizers wanted somefiber arts too, so here I go. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] blocking silk scarf
Thinking about it, whilst I can see that washing would be needed if it has got grubby during making, it might not be necessary. Bobbin lace is worked with the threads kept in shape be the pins in a way that knitting and tatting, which do require blocking, are not, so we don't normally block bobbin lace. It may be that the end that is pinned as you are working is a little more stretched out than the rest but that should relax into the same size over a relatively short time. Silk is chosen for its softness and drape, blocking might not enhance that and water can cause it to lose some of its sheen. Also, what I forgot to mention before is that silk is weaker when wet (again the opposite of cotton and linen) and should be treated gently in a wet state, not stretched out as this may cause fibres to break. Leave the final pins in for 24 hours- silk has a good 'thread memory' (think of all the easily creased wedding dresses you see!) and should hold its shape well. I hope you are pleased with the finished scarf, now to plan the lace gloves to match? :-) Jane Partridge On 24 Jan 2016, at 20:53, jsyz...@comcast.net wrote: Hi all I am about to start the last repeat of a red and pink silk Torchon scarf (from Brigette Beldon's book). I bought a package of "Knitter's Pride Blocking Mats", which are like blocks of soft styrofoam. When I finish the scarf (tonight??) I plan to submerge the scarf in warm water mixed with a little Ajax dishwashing liquid, swish it around a little, and then submerge it in warm clean water and swish again. If the colors seem to be running (I don't know if that is a thing that happens) then I'll run more warm water over it until the water is clear. Then I'll roll the scarf into a towel to absorb the water so the scarf is just damp and not dripping wet. Then I am going to lay the damp scarf nice and straight on my new "blocking mat" and put pins in all the pinholes on the outer edges of the scarf (not into any of the inner pinholes). I think it would be hard to keep the scarf straight if I put the pins in consecutively so I figure I will first put in pins really far apart from each other, like a foot apart, and then fill in the middle so that the pins are half a foot apart, and then fill in again so they are 1/4 of a foot apart, and so on. Is it important to put pins in every pinhole or can I get bored and stop when I've only pinned, say, every other pinhole? Is this a good plan or is it a really awful plan and all of you out there are cringing in horror? I've never pinned a piece of lace. Until this past summer I'd never washed lace at all. This past summer and fall I've washed (as described above, except I laid the dripping wet lace on a paper towel instead of the big cloth towel I plan to use on the scarf) two very narrow cotton bucks point exercises and one small and sturdy cotton needlelace exercise (the Venetian Gros Point exercise from chapter 1 of Catherine Barley's great book) but I didn't pin either of them. I washed the bucks edgings because I wanted to practice sewing lace to cloth and I was told to always wash both the lace and cloth before attaching together, and I washed the needlelace because I'd carried it in my handbag for a long period of time and it was really dingy. The needlace was colored cotton (Madeira Tanne 50) and the colors didn't run together at all when it got wet-- the only change was that the needlelace went from being dingy and dirty looking to bright and pretty. Julie Shalack All snowed in in Laurel Maryland USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Whoops
Sorry, typing on my phone I forgot to trim the message I just sent in reply to the scarf thread. My mind is on going out to take the kittens to the vets for their important operations. Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: blocking silk scarf
If the fibre is silk, please do not use dish detergent. Silk is harmed by alkalis, and dish detergents are not gentle. Some years ago, we did a joint project in my class and one of the ladies had got her piece grubby (from using handcream) so put it in a dish with water and a drop of dish detergent (in this case, the brand was Fairy Liquid). The lace was made from ecru DMC Broder Machine (cotton) and a Madeira metallic gold thread. The lace was totally ruined - the detergent bleached the ecru thread to brilliant white, and stripped the gold back to an orange colour. If you ever plan to test colour fastness by washing, test a sample of the threads first, do not risk ruining hours and hours of work. Remember that cotton and linen, which are cellulose fibres, behave and are affected differently to wool and silk, which are protein fibres. Would you use the same dish detergent on your hair? If you must wash silk, then use Orvus. If you are not sure of what you are doing, take it to a professional cleaner and tell them what the fibre is - some silks can only be dry cleaned, and some require specialist cleaning. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:44:50 + > From: jsyz...@comcast.net > Hi all > I am about to start the last repeat of a red and pink silk Torchon scarf (from > Brigette Beldon's book). I bought a package of "Knitter's Pride Blocking > Mats", which are like blocks of soft styrofoam. When I finish the scarf > (tonight??) I plan to submerge the scarf in warm water mixed with a little > Ajax dishwashing liquid, swish it around a little, and then submerge it in > warm clean water and swish again. If the colors seem to be running (I don't > know if that is a thing that happens) then I'll run more warm water over it > until the water is clear. Then I'll roll the scarf into a towel to absorb the > water so the scarf is just damp and not dripping wet. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Arachne Lurker's Complaints
Catherine wrote:> Good morning all > My goodness, how would we manage without Jeri! It is very, very, quiet, without Jeri's posts, Cathy! (Some of you may remember me mentioning a while back that there seems to be some sort of conflict between Outlook/Live and AOL, so I don't see posts from most AOL users; I suppose really I should switch to digest). Thank you, also, for quoting the relevant parts of the message that everyone is responding to; without any clue as to the preceding posts I was beginning to wonder what had been complained about. I'm lurking at the moment due to lack of time - the same lack of time that prevents me hunting through the archives every time I want to check something quickly. I don't think anyone should be put off asking a question just because someone might have asked a similar question in the past. Sometimes the answers change - especially with changes in available thread (many of those we were using ten years ago are no longer available to a new lacemaker), changes in chemical composition of dyestuffs, changes in the types of thread and, these days, yarn, that we use to make lace. I suspect that Jeri will agree that there have been changes to the advice given and products used for cleaning and conservation even during her lifetime, and things will continue to change, so relying purely on answers given on the list during the last twenty years may result in frustration at times, even if most of the replies are still relevant. Shortly after we started the list, a very useful handbook was compiled by Patty Dowden and this was supposed to be forwarded automatically to new Arachne members. I think this stopped with a change of server at some point, certainly some of the information is now out of date but it does give interesting pointers as to the history of the list (including why there are two lists), how to post, the request not to cross-post, netiquette, and why at certain times of year different nationalities/cultures on the list are a bit stressed and likely to snap at each other (things did tend to get rather fraught during the run up to October half term (UK)/Halloween and Thanksgiving in the States though that has calmed down over the last few years, possibly due to the general slow down in message traffic and I think, most of us no longer have the houseful of teenagers that we had 10-20 years ago! In the early years it did take us a little bit of time to get used to the differences in sense of humour between the different nations - and the different meanings attached to words (eg explaining why we use lace for cake bands here in the UK, and what Royal Icing is). I still have a copy of the handbook saved as a Word document, which I can forward if anyone wants a copy (contact me off list) or copy and paste into a message to the list if that would be helpful (I don't think that will contravene copyright owing to the original intentions for the handbook). Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Gutermann R402 silk
I've not come across that particular silk, but the S303 is more use for needlelace as it isn't particularly fine. It's a pity Texere have gone out of business last year as some of their silks (on cones) were nice to use. Pipers will (or at least, used to) work with you to get the colour and thickness, and amount of twist, you want (when I was doing my C Sue Peck, the owner, was able to produce exactly what I needed, despite it only being two small reels, though admittedly that was 20 years ago!) as they reel to order. Currently I'm using a pale blue silk (called River, which I think is the colour name) 150 den / 70/2 NeC (500m cone) from Bart & Francis in Belgium to do some Bucks. It has a lovely sheen and also worked up well for the garter I made for my cousin's daughter last year. I don't think it was massively expensive, either. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk > From: kazama...@gmail.com > > Does anybody know anything about Gutermann R402 silk please, and whether it > would be suitable for bobbin lace? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Tape lace
I'm thinking it could be Branscombe, although the tape is fairly wide, it looks right and the needlelace fillings look intricate enough and certainly include some of the 'traditional' ones. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk > From: stevieni...@gmail.com > > Does anyone knows this type of tape lace? > https://instagram.com/p/-I-jgpwS2u/ > https://instagram.com/p/-I-iapwS2q/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: What media constitues Lace
The normal definition is that lace is 'holes surrounded by thread' (whether that thread be yarn, cotton, wire, or whatever). Crochet fits that definition and is accepted as being lace, (particularly Irish Crochet) but some people prefer to think of crochet that is, for example, squares made of wool and sewn together into a blanket, as crochet rather than lace, and the finer fillet or Irish crochet as being lace. Hairpin lace has a very lacy appearance and I would count it as lace, whichever definition you use. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk Cindy wrote: She specifically asked me if Crocheted Hair Pin Lace > should be in the Lace or Crochet Category. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Re: postcard raffle
Could be because it has been very quiet on the list all week, so not enough posts to make a digest? Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk From: ilske.l.thom...@t-online.de Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 09:35:56 +0200 Dear All, this morning I got a mail from Janice telling me that there are problems with the digest. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Torchon and direction
Beds, particularly when you have raised tallies, is worked face up. Where bookmarks are concerned, I tie off the threads into a tassel at the bottom and tie the wrapping threads with a knot - so this in my view needs to be at the back, so making the lace face down on the pillow. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk I don't think anyone has mentioned Beds, and I have done very little. I would be interested to know whether it is worked back uppermost. Looking at the structure, perhaps it wouldn't matter? Kathleen, Berkshire, UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: spiders in lace
Remove the centre pin and use it as the pin that is directly below centre, (if you've got ground pins surrounding the spider) and tension carefully at this point. If you wait till you are further on and taking the pins out you won't be able to tension out the hole. Jane Partridge On 2 Aug 2015, at 03:46, Bespokethreadsandyarns bespokethreadsandya...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know flat spiders preferred. Can anyone remind me how not to have pin mark in center? Thanks Sue M - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Re: spiders in lace
I was always taught that Torchon is worked wrong side up, if this is the case then presumably the raised bit needs to be pushed down when the lace is taken off the pillow, or any ends (from joining new threads in) sewn through when the lace is taken off the pillow. Jane Partridge On 1 Aug 2015, at 16:31, d2one...@comcast.net wrote: In researching material for a workshop on torchon spiders for our guild, I came across Gertrude Whiting's directions for Plain Torchon Spiders. Pins are used in the center of the spider bodies only. These centers should be raised to give an arched effect Does anyone try for that raised effect in spider ground nowadays? - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Lace Guild - Poppy and Swan Bobbins for Members
To clarify what Jeri has said, the annual bobbins have not been for members only for quite some years now, but do have an inscription of The Lace Guild Member 2015/6. Likewise adults have been buying the Young Lacemaker bobbins for a long time! The bobbins (and prices) described in Jeri's post relate to *last* year. The prices of the bobbins without postage added will be in July's Lace; Jean has to add postage and packing to individual prices on the website (it doesn't appear possible yet to add the postage rate published in the magazine to the complete transaction - so if you are ordering more than one item do contact The Hollies so that you can pay the correct amount) so this will be one reason for the higher price. From proof reading the magazine last week I think the bobbin prices (both adult and Young Lacemaker) are £7.75 each plus postage, but don't quote me on that because I am going on memory. Another reason why they are slightly more expensive this year is that our previous supplier has now retired, and we (the 2014/5 Exec) could not find anything suitable at a comparably low price. Our new supplier is a well known bobbin maker, and I was very pleased to receive one his bobbins (very similar to the membership bobbin) as my farewell gift from the new committee when I stood down from the post of Hon Sec in April (though I must admit I prefer his ebony bobbins to the lemonwood ones, particularly those with locomotives painted on them!). I'm not going to divulge what else is in the magazine, (I read every word, from cover to cover, then forget most of what I've read!) but our new editor, Deborah, has put together a magazine that I'm looking forward to seeing in print at the end of the month. The other point I want to pick up on is that the 2014/5 membership year ended on 30th June 2015; the new year started on 1st July, and it is not too late to apply for membership for the current year (2015/6) - especially as the Guild can accept applications with payment by all means (including Direct Debit (UK banks only) and PayPal) at any time during the year. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk - Original Message - From: jeria...@aol.com To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:46:00 - (UTC) Subject: [lace] Lace Guild - Poppy and Swan Bobbins for Members 2014-15 Lace Guild (UK) Members: The Lace Guild sells annual Midland, Honiton, and Continental bobbins - to *Members*. It is late to join for current year, but may still be of interest. This year's featured design is a beautiful red poppy to commemorate the Great War. There is a special 2015 design for Young Lacemaker *Members*. This year, it features a swan, and it is 4 pounds (priced closer to their ability to purchase). - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] 3D printers - out of date books
Would we really want to do this, however, considering we have some excellent bobbin turners who would likely be put out of work by such a move? Technology can have devastating effects on livelihoods - call me a Luddite if you wish! Jane Partridge On 5 Jul 2015, at 13:13, Achim Siebert ac...@achims.de wrote: To stay nerdy: with the upcoming 3D-printers, we’ll eventually be able to make our own bobbins - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: battenberg tape
When I was working on the Castle class locomotive and tender 'picture' I made for my City Guilds, using Branscombe techniques (Branscombe Point is a Devon tape lace (as opposed to braid lace, which is the name we use for bobbin made laces of the ilk) similar to Battenberg but uses a greater range of filling stitches to attempt to resemble Honiton lace) I had to make most of the tape myself. This was because I wanted to work in colour, and so whereas I needed green, silver, black, gold and red, could only buy black, white or ecru Branscombe tape; and all attempts at dying the tape failed to give a satisfactory result. Using the same thread to make the tape as I was going to use for the needlelace fillings meant there was no difference in thickness of the two areas. I did buy a card of black tape (from Tom in Belgium, who some may remember). The rest was made in the lengths I needed it - not made in one length and cut up afterwards. I used Madeira Tanne 30 (now replaced by Cotona 30), with four passive pairs and three workers (so as to keep a straight edge on both sides). Another difference between Branscombe and Battenberg is that the tapes are slightly different - Battenberg has a heavier gathering thread on each side (similar to a coarse thread or gimp) which is used to pull the tape into shape; Branscombe tape is gathered by using a needle and finer thread to whip (overcast) along the inner curved edges so holding them in shape. The tape then loses all its wrinkles like magic when it is dampened and pressed. I've noticed a number of emails I haven't received lately - which is why I'm replying to Donna's question using Adele's post - the one from Jacquie Tinch about the International Lace Day didn't come through, and I'm resigned to the fact that Jeri's posts won't get to me again. It would seem that 'live' (which comes under the umbrella of Outlook.com) has the same view as yahoo when it comes to other service providers, a problem I never had with Demon! (The reason we changed was down to total lack of internet service). I would suggest that if anyone emails me privately and doesn't get a response, if they are in the Facebook Lacemakers' group, they message me via Facebook to check I've received their email. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk Subject: Re: [lace] [LACE] battenberg tape From: ash...@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 17:12:35 -0700 You could, very easily. On Jun 15, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Donna Fousek ibal...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone made their own battenberg tape? Been think of trying it. Or would it be better to buy pre made. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: Protect pricking from moisture.
Be aware, though, that not all permanent markers are waterproof - don't trust a pen unless it has that word printed on it! Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk From: cjohnson0...@comcast.net Now if you hand-draw your pricking using a permanent marker, you don't have to laminate. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] RE: inlays
Some years ago (about 20!) I visited the Cecil Higgins museum in Bedford and remember one piece (at least) of Thomas Lester's design that had a central gimp running through the trails. I can't remember if this gimp was straight or cable, though. Cable gimps are a common decoration in braid lace, and if used double, give a chain effect. Christine Springett used this to good advantage in one of her Christmas snowflake designs, and if you use one pair gold and one pair silver, because of the twisting you can alternate the colour of the chain 'links'. Like many techniques, it is worth making samples and playing with colour to see what effects you can get, and which you like, to use in future projects - this is what makes your lace your own, not just a copy of someone else's design ideas. Jane partridgemous...@live.co.uk From: k...@wirelace.net To: lace@arachne.com there were two thicker threads in the center which twisted. It gave a nice effect. This person had apparently either studied them or designed them, and has come up with a large handful of different things to do in the center of a cloth stitch tape. I am trying to figure out if this is her own original material or if she may have studied it somewhere. Also, I am wondering if inlay is the proper name. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
