Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Philip via Leedslist]

 There is no plus side at all. Damn badnot just no good enough. 2 more 
games to go - Lampart will be laughing his socks off !! 
On Sunday, May 5, 2019, 4:43:22 PM GMT+3, Joe Skinner 
 wrote:  
 
 On the plus side, we at least gave it a bit of a go second half for about 25 
mins

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> On 5 May 2019, at 14:32, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> That was bloody awful. Kemar Roofe’s performance was shocking and it was no 
> surprise when he skied the pen. What the hell was that run up all about. I 
> fear for us going into the playoffs now. Getting beat twice by 10 men.
> 
> Just about everyone is putting in below par performances.
> 
> The keeper is a fucking joke at the moment, all over the shop.
> 
> Dallas isn’t a left back and if we think we can get away with him in that 
> position then we’re stupid.
> 
> Hernandez’s passing today was atrocious. Time and time again he flicked balls 
> on to a blue shirt. He hasn’t done this as much this season but that was back 
> to his worst. He was crap today.
> 
> Jack Harrison didn’t have the beating of anyone and struggled all match.
> 
> It was a shocking defeat by a really shit team and I can’t see us doing 
> anything in the play offs. 
> 
> Pissed off.
> 
> 
>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:40, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>> 
>> The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 
>> 
>> Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 
>> 
>> We’re making Ipswich look half decent
>> 
>> They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it
>> 
>> Pedestrian and a bit aimless 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
>>> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and 
>>> with Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly 
>>> troubled them.
>>> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get 
>>> some confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early 
>>> season performances.
>>> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
>>> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his 
>>> chance ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Joe Skinner]

On the plus side, we at least gave it a bit of a go second half for about 25 
mins

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 May 2019, at 14:32, Richard Walker  wrote:
> 
> That was bloody awful. Kemar Roofe’s performance was shocking and it was no 
> surprise when he skied the pen. What the hell was that run up all about. I 
> fear for us going into the playoffs now. Getting beat twice by 10 men.
> 
> Just about everyone is putting in below par performances.
> 
> The keeper is a fucking joke at the moment, all over the shop.
> 
> Dallas isn’t a left back and if we think we can get away with him in that 
> position then we’re stupid.
> 
> Hernandez’s passing today was atrocious. Time and time again he flicked balls 
> on to a blue shirt. He hasn’t done this as much this season but that was back 
> to his worst. He was crap today.
> 
> Jack Harrison didn’t have the beating of anyone and struggled all match.
> 
> It was a shocking defeat by a really shit team and I can’t see us doing 
> anything in the play offs. 
> 
> Pissed off.
> 
> 
>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:40, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>> 
>> The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 
>> 
>> Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 
>> 
>> We’re making Ipswich look half decent
>> 
>> They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it
>> 
>> Pedestrian and a bit aimless 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
>>> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and 
>>> with Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly 
>>> troubled them.
>>> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get 
>>> some confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early 
>>> season performances.
>>> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
>>> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his 
>>> chance ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

That was bloody awful. Kemar Roofe’s performance was shocking and it was no 
surprise when he skied the pen. What the hell was that run up all about. I fear 
for us going into the playoffs now. Getting beat twice by 10 men.

Just about everyone is putting in below par performances.

The keeper is a fucking joke at the moment, all over the shop.

Dallas isn’t a left back and if we think we can get away with him in that 
position then we’re stupid.

Hernandez’s passing today was atrocious. Time and time again he flicked balls 
on to a blue shirt. He hasn’t done this as much this season but that was back 
to his worst. He was crap today.

Jack Harrison didn’t have the beating of anyone and struggled all match.

It was a shocking defeat by a really shit team and I can’t see us doing 
anything in the play offs. 

Pissed off.


> On 5 May 2019, at 13:40, Joe Skinner  wrote:
> 
> The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 
> 
> Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 
> 
> We’re making Ipswich look half decent
> 
> They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it
> 
> Pedestrian and a bit aimless 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
>> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and 
>> with Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly 
>> troubled them.
>> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get some 
>> confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early season 
>> performances.
>> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
>> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
>> 
>> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his chance 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Joe Skinner]

The final ball - apart from the goal - is abysmal 

Really fear for the playoffs, limping into them  off form 

We’re making Ipswich look half decent

They just ran through us for the 2nd after klich lost it

Pedestrian and a bit aimless 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 5 May 2019, at 13:25, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Apart from our goal which was the best move of the game, it’s been a horror 
> show from us. I’ve lost count of the number of misplaced final balls and with 
> Roofe looking completely out of his depth up front we’ve hardly troubled them.
> I’m just hoping Roofe will get a decent chance and stick it away to get some 
> confidence going into the play offs because he’s way off his early season 
> performances.
> I also think going into the play offs with Dallas at left back will cost us 
> and we look incredibly pedestrian with Forshaw and Philips in midfield.
> 
> Hopefully we’ll see Clarke second half and maybe Edmonson may get his chance ?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[John Lee via Leedslist]

I watched on tv, and I know being at the game is always more telling, 
particularly if you’ve had a few beers, but there were parts of the game early 
on which which were pretty poor. The constant giving the ball away, and the 
misplaced long balls - I get the trying to stretch the game, and how this 
sometimes works - drives me mad. I am trying very hard not to be critical, 
because the season so far has been a revelation, and maybe the speed we play at 
induces panic in other teams as well as meaning misplaced passes by us. We 
could, and should, have won by more and Forshaw’s performance was one of his 
best for us. Putting 2 or 3 wins together would be nice now though. For the 
first season in years we have a serious chance of going up!

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> On 25 Oct 2018, at 18:03, Richard Walker via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
> was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
> him completely.
> 
> I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
> took them apart and should have won by more.
> 
> I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
> showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
> opposition.
> 
> I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
> gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
> wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
> have lost all confidence in front of goal.
> 
> I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
> anything second half.
> 
> Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
> mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the 
> back. Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.
> 
> Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
> cleaners.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
>> you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when 
>> he plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes 
>> mistakes.
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>>   On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>> "United are back, United are back"
>> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to 
>> re-think things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the 
>> peak 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low 
>> on confidence
>> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
>> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
>> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
>> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
>> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
>> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
>> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
>> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays 
>> like this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed 
>> him especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come 
>> for a draw.
>> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a 
>> centre forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets 
>> results, this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders 
>> and met a brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v 
>> Derby (?) He buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
>> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
>> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
>> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
>> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
>> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
>> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into 
>> it and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly 
>> subdued Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing 
>> and interceptions. 
>> 
>> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the 
>> total with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - 
>> he was another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in 
>> the first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back 
>> into the danger zone.
>> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
>> to total 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker via Leedslist]

Agreed, I didn’t go last night but managed to watch on LUTV and I thought it 
was another poor performance from Ayling. His passing seems to have deserted 
him completely.

I thought we were poor first half but second half mainly due to Hernandez we 
took them apart and should have won by more.

I thought Dallas probably had his best game for Leeds (the bar is low) by 
showing that he has got something to offer even if it was against very poor 
opposition.

I like Forshaw and as somebody said he plays like Batty - always available, 
gets everywhere and always efficient with his passing. A few months ago I 
wouldn’t have dreamt of droppping Siaz but he’s not delivering and looks to 
have lost all confidence in front of goal.

I was impressed by Roofe first half but he faded badly and didn’t contribute 
anything second half.

Lots of praise for Philips but I thought he had the easiest job on the park 
mopping up at the back, no pressure and playing simple balls out from the back. 
Can he play that role against a better team with pace - I doubt it.

Forest big game. I’ve always rated Joe Lolley and he will take Ayling to the 
cleaners.



> On 25 Oct 2018, at 16:07, Nicholas Armit via Leedslist  
> wrote:
> 
> Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
> you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when he 
> plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes 
> mistakes.
> Nick
> 
> 
>On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
>  wrote:  
> 
> "United are back, United are back"
> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
> things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
> 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
> confidence
> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like 
> this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed him 
> especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come for a 
> draw.
> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
> forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
> this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
> brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
> buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it 
> and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued 
> Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and 
> interceptions. 
> 
> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
> with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
> another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the 
> first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into 
> the danger zone.
> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
> to total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a 
> short corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by 
> Phillips(?) and fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the 
> edge of the box - yes League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real 
> skill and aplomb. That ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all 
>  they managed was one easily saved header in the first half and were almost 
> gifted a goal by Ayling right at the death) and it became almost a procession 
> of us coming forward and having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was 
> their man of the match (and beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
> It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that 
> Berardi went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could 
> have been tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a 
> double sub with over 30mins to go 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Simon McNally]

Pablo showed just how much we miss him when he’s not there. He would be the 
first name on the team sheet for me.
Thought Phillips was superb. I still think that no one else in the squad is 
capable of hitting the 50 yard plus cross field balls that he does.
I also thought that Forshaw looked good when he came on for Saiz , with Klich 
moving further forward. We looked more solid and it’s definitely an option when 
Saiz is having an off day.

S

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> On 25 Oct 2018, at 10:45, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
> 
> "United are back, United are back"
> Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
> things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
> 'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
> confidence
> Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
> quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) 
> Secondly the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and 
> almost the oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
> However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous 
> performance, all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo 
> Hernandez, who was sublime and went through their back line like the 
> proverbial knife through butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like 
> this you wonder what he is doing in this Division. How we have missed him 
> especially at home when faced with a team who pack the defence and come for a 
> draw.
> The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
> forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
> this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
> brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
> buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
> Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. 
> Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one 
> attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two 
> defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of 
> us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when 
> Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it 
> and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued 
> Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and 
> interceptions. 
> 
> We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
> with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
> another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the 
> first half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into 
> the danger zone.
> The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led 
> to total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a 
> short corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by 
> Phillips(?) and fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the 
> edge of the box - yes League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real 
> skill and aplomb. That ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all 
>  they managed was one easily saved header in the first half and were almost 
> gifted a goal by Ayling right at the death) and it became almost a procession 
> of us coming forward and having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was 
> their man of the match (and beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
> It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that 
> Berardi went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could 
> have been tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a 
> double sub with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way 
> he re-acts to what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan 
> the sub one striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at 
> all until time wasting at the end of a game.
> With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
> Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are 
> top'the league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we 
> already knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible 
> in any match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man 
> City v Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a 
> nailed on home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at 
> Birmingham turning us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to 
> bottom) so beating Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone 
> conclusion and we needed to be at or near our best to do it, and that is what 
> we were, back to 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Nicholas Armit via Leedslist]

 Not to be negative but I thought Ayling was poor. I think to play Bielsaball 
you need to be a thinking footballer and Ayling ain't one. He is best when he 
plays quick and direct. As soon as he stops and has to think he makes mistakes.
Nick


On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 5:46:08 AM EDT, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:  
 
 "United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick off what we need to stay top but I am confident if we can play like we did 
last night that no-one in this Division will beat us , so it is all about 
whether we play to our full potential. If Pablo plays like he did yesterday and 
Roofe 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Naef]

>The real test will come this weekend though.  Cos there's no getting around 
>the fact that so far, 5 of our 7 wins are against teams who're >currently in 
>the bottom 8!

True, but our 2 of our 3 best performances were against Derby & Norwich, top 6, 
the other against Stoke, who have a very decent squad.


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A good read;

https://www.talesfrom.com/our-books/tales-from-elland-road


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Leeds1 Ipswich 0 Roofe 22 mins


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Subject: [LU] Ipswich report
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"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 


We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 

Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Nigel Sykes]

It was certainly good to see us not look clueless again. Amazing how two 
players whom I didn't rate much last season could turn out to be so influential 
for us this one.

The real test will come this weekend though.  Cos there's no getting around the 
fact that so far, 5 of our 7 wins are against teams who're currently in the 
bottom 8!

Nigel
(the Dublin one)

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nat...@sky.com
Sent: 25 October 2018 10:46
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Ipswich report

"United are back, United are back"
Well those of you who thought that we had been 'rumbled' may have to re-think 
things after a totally dominant display and a real return to the peak 
'Bielasball' last night - albeit against a very poor team who were low on 
confidence
Two slight moans - first, the crowd, whislt good in terms of numbers was as 
quiet during the first half as I can remember (practice for the Prem?) Secondly 
the fact that despite it being shooting practice at the end and almost the 
oldkids game of attack v defence we only managed 2 goals
However these two gripes are totally overshadowed by a tremendous performance, 
all made possible by the return of the magician , Pablo Hernandez, who was 
sublime and went through their back line like the proverbial knife through 
butter. He was a joy to watch and when he plays like this you wonder what he is 
doing in this Division. How we have missed him especially at home when faced 
with a team who pack the defence and come for a draw.
The other returnee, Kemar Roofe, also proved , yet again, that he is a centre 
forward not a winger, and when he is allowed to play up top he gets results, 
this time a lovely timed header when he got between the 2 defenders and met a 
brilliant cross by Pablo - the finish very similar to the goal v Derby (?) He 
buzzed around and caused them problems all evening.
Everyone played their part last night, with all 3 subs also doing well. Dallas 
showed what he can still offer something going forward and had one attempt just 
wide and one lovely run when he actually took on and beat two defenders. Pearce 
showed that he does still have a future- like the rest of us he must have 
wondered why he did not get the nod ahead of Dallas when Douglas got injured. 
Forshaw fitted into the system as if he was born into it and also went close 
with a rasping drive, he replaced the slightly subdued Saiz and kept the ball 
moving with little Batty-esque type passing and interceptions. 

We could have had a hatful with Alisoki coming closest to adding to the total 
with a great run and shot that came back from the inside of the post - he was 
another player who was back to his best last night , with a cross in the first 
half nearly causing a goal as the keeper could only parry it back into the 
danger zone.
The second goal and the one that eased all our tension off the pitch and led to 
total capitulation from Ipswich on it, was brilliant and well worked - a short 
corner came back to Pablo and his cross was superbly dummied by Phillips(?) and 
fell to Cooper who side footed it with his right from the edge of the box - yes 
League -One Liam as some call him finsihed with real skill and aplomb. That 
ended the game as a contest (if it ever was, since all  they managed was one 
easily saved header in the first half and were almost gifted a goal by Ayling 
right at the death) and it became almost a procession of us coming forward and 
having pot shots and scrambles - their keeper was their man of the match (and 
beaten only by Pablo for THE MoM)
It was a perfect response to the Blackburn defeat - a bit worrying that Berardi 
went off , presumably injured but with Bielsa, who knows it could have been 
tactical. Bielsa again used his subs wisely and excitingly making a double sub 
with over 30mins to go and no more cards to play. I love the way he re-acts to 
what is happening on the pitch - some managers seem to pre-plan the sub one 
striker for another on 60 mins every game or making no subs at all until time 
wasting at the end of a game.
With other results going our way this week - Boro being held at home by 
Rotherham and West Brom getting hammered at home by Derby means 'we are top'the 
league, say we are top'the league' - these results confirming what we already 
knew , this League is totally competitive and any result is possible in any 
match. This also elevates our performance and result last night - Man City v 
Cardiff or whoever is top and bottom of the Prem is pretty much a nailed on 
home win, that is not the case in the Championship (look at Birmingham turning 
us over when we were top and they were bottom or next to bottom) so beating 
Ipswich whilst expected was in no way a foregone conclusion and we needed to be 
at or near our best to do it, and that is what we were, back to our best
So onwards and upwards - with Forest to come Saturday evening - we will know by 
kick off what we 

Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Tim Whelan]

I've just found this video match report while reading an Ipswich forum to see 
what they said about us. It goes on a bit, but it's a good summary, and he 
thinks his own team played well. 

Forum | Leeds 3-2 ITFC - YouTube Match Report by benjaminbloom

  
|  
|   |  
Forum | Leeds 3-2 ITFC - YouTube Match Report by benjaminbloom
 https://youtu.be/RLUunQJ6ViQ Heres my immediate reaction to this afternoons 
eventsstrangely Id argue our ...  |  |

  |

 
 

On Saturday, 23 September 2017, 22:01, David W  
wrote:
 

 Good report Rich. 

Shaughnessy is a good young lad but after his lovely pass for the first goal 
today he looked what he is. A 20 year old lad who hasn't played as a centre 
back until this season. There is promise there but he is 4th choice. His poor 
decisions and positioning pulled Cooper out of position more than once today. 

I just don't like Wieldweld (sorry for spelling) and you can tell that his 
defence don't trust him. What he gains us in quick distribution he more than 
loses us in a pervasive sense of insecurity.  I'd play Lonergan.  Certainly in 
matches you know we are going to get an aerial bombardment (like Cardiff). 

Saiz may have hung on to the ball fractionally long at times today but he is 
still lovely to watch. Wonderful to have him. With Alioski key to remember he 
has only been here a couple of months and he only converted from being a left 
back a year or so back I think.  The final ball and decision making will 
improve. He has the skills and scares defenders. 

A lot of the reviews I've read online underestimate how well Ipswich played. 
They may not be the most talented but Big Mick set them up well, they disrupted 
the game and they put the ball into difficult areas. McGoldrick was a real 
handful. A win against them is no shabby result. 

Isn't Ayling brilliant?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 23. Sep 2017, at 20:30, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let's not forget that this is a great win against a team that will be around 
> the play offs and provided very stiff opposition. I loved the way we bounced 
> straight back after they equalised and how we continued to play and break on 
> the counter to try and kill the game off. 
> However, I'm going to judge the game on its own and to be honest at times I 
> found it hard to watch. This was not Burton and I think we showed a lot of 
> frailties all over the park. 
> For starters, the manager's tactics were suspect. Playing Hernandes as a left 
> winger doesn't work for me and he's too isolated and unable to get involved. 
> Also at the back today I thought we were very shaky. Shaughnessy and Cooper 
> have both done ok this season but together today they looked at times to be 
> struggling against an Ipswich team who thrive on corners and set pieces. I'm 
> amazed we got away with to be honest because I think this game also showed us 
> that Weildwald is going to struggle in this league against teams who lump it 
> into the box at every opportunity. He was all over the place, not coming for 
> crosses, dithering and not giving any confidence to his defence. 
> I thought at times first half was pretty poor from us, O'Kane was terrible, 
> definitely his worst 45 mins in a Leeds shirt and he's had some average ones 
> and Philips who took his goal brilliantly was largely anonymous and just 
> seemed to be wondering around aimlessly. Allioski couldn't get in the game 
> and Siaz seemed a little isolated. 
> The most frustrating thing for me was we seem to have a plan to always play 
> it out at the back, Ipswich didn't allow us to do that and it seemed like 
> Wieldwald didn't have a clue what to do ? Surely we practice plan B i.e. the 
> big punt up the field. Ok, it's not pretty and it might not be the way the 
> current team is lined up to play but when the short ball isn't on surely 
> there's no option ? Wieldwald looked confused and shaky. He's no Rob Green 
> for me. 
> There was patches of good play from us particularly the first goal which saw 
> Shaugnessy advance up the field and play the best ball of the day through to 
> Lasogga who made a great run and slotted it on the far corner - great finish. 
> We also had a couple of other chances , the best falling to Siaz who should 
> have shot but hung on to the ball too long and the chance wasted. He does 
> that too often for me, but we forgive him.  
> The Ipswich equaliser came from a free kick (there's a surprise) and it was 
> easy as can be - cross, unmarked McGoldrick , free header , 1-1. Who was 
> marking him  ? We haven't had to ask that question in PJ ('Post Jansson') 
> times and it took me back to defensive problems that troubled us for years. 
> We missed Jansson, as we did at Bolton, and without him we're not the same 
> team. Hope he's back for Cardiff. 
> But then we immediately bounced back and produced the moment of the game with 
> O'kane , Lasogga and 

Re: [LU] Ipswich

[David W]

Good report Rich. 

Shaughnessy is a good young lad but after his lovely pass for the first goal 
today he looked what he is. A 20 year old lad who hasn't played as a centre 
back until this season. There is promise there but he is 4th choice. His poor 
decisions and positioning pulled Cooper out of position more than once today. 

I just don't like Wieldweld (sorry for spelling) and you can tell that his 
defence don't trust him. What he gains us in quick distribution he more than 
loses us in a pervasive sense of insecurity.  I'd play Lonergan.  Certainly in 
matches you know we are going to get an aerial bombardment (like Cardiff). 

Saiz may have hung on to the ball fractionally long at times today but he is 
still lovely to watch. Wonderful to have him. With Alioski key to remember he 
has only been here a couple of months and he only converted from being a left 
back a year or so back I think.  The final ball and decision making will 
improve. He has the skills and scares defenders. 

A lot of the reviews I've read online underestimate how well Ipswich played. 
They may not be the most talented but Big Mick set them up well, they disrupted 
the game and they put the ball into difficult areas. McGoldrick was a real 
handful. A win against them is no shabby result. 

Isn't Ayling brilliant?


Sent from my iPhone

> On 23. Sep 2017, at 20:30, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let's not forget that this is a great win against a team that will be around 
> the play offs and provided very stiff opposition. I loved the way we bounced 
> straight back after they equalised and how we continued to play and break on 
> the counter to try and kill the game off. 
> However, I'm going to judge the game on its own and to be honest at times I 
> found it hard to watch. This was not Burton and I think we showed a lot of 
> frailties all over the park. 
> For starters, the manager's tactics were suspect. Playing Hernandes as a left 
> winger doesn't work for me and he's too isolated and unable to get involved. 
> Also at the back today I thought we were very shaky. Shaughnessy and Cooper 
> have both done ok this season but together today they looked at times to be 
> struggling against an Ipswich team who thrive on corners and set pieces. I'm 
> amazed we got away with to be honest because I think this game also showed us 
> that Weildwald is going to struggle in this league against teams who lump it 
> into the box at every opportunity. He was all over the place, not coming for 
> crosses, dithering and not giving any confidence to his defence. 
> I thought at times first half was pretty poor from us, O'Kane was terrible, 
> definitely his worst 45 mins in a Leeds shirt and he's had some average ones 
> and Philips who took his goal brilliantly was largely anonymous and just 
> seemed to be wondering around aimlessly. Allioski couldn't get in the game 
> and Siaz seemed a little isolated. 
> The most frustrating thing for me was we seem to have a plan to always play 
> it out at the back, Ipswich didn't allow us to do that and it seemed like 
> Wieldwald didn't have a clue what to do ? Surely we practice plan B i.e. the 
> big punt up the field. Ok, it's not pretty and it might not be the way the 
> current team is lined up to play but when the short ball isn't on surely 
> there's no option ? Wieldwald looked confused and shaky. He's no Rob Green 
> for me. 
> There was patches of good play from us particularly the first goal which saw 
> Shaugnessy advance up the field and play the best ball of the day through to 
> Lasogga who made a great run and slotted it on the far corner - great finish. 
> We also had a couple of other chances , the best falling to Siaz who should 
> have shot but hung on to the ball too long and the chance wasted. He does 
> that too often for me, but we forgive him.  
> The Ipswich equaliser came from a free kick (there's a surprise) and it was 
> easy as can be - cross, unmarked McGoldrick , free header , 1-1. Who was 
> marking him  ? We haven't had to ask that question in PJ ('Post Jansson') 
> times and it took me back to defensive problems that troubled us for years. 
> We missed Jansson, as we did at Bolton, and without him we're not the same 
> team. Hope he's back for Cardiff. 
> But then we immediately bounced back and produced the moment of the game with 
> O'kane , Lasogga and Siaz who cleverly headed to Philips who still had a lot 
> of work to do. He nipped in and from a tight angle put the ball in the back 
> of the net. There's not many strikers in this league who would have scored 
> that goal. Great play Kalvin.   
> Ipswich came again and were unlucky not to go in level when on the stroke of 
> half time they won yet another header in the box only to see little Vern on 
> the line clear it away. 
> Happy to see us go in 2-1 at half time but undeserved. 
> Second half, Ipswich continued to play the best football 

Re: [LU] Ipswich

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 lol ! - Chateauneuf-du-pape to celebrate still top of the league. £20 from 
Costco and actually tastes like CNP unlike some of the young supermarket stuff 
they try to label under the name which barely resembles the real stuff. 
I'm enjoying the season and the situation. I spent half an hour with 
Up-Yer-Ronson and Tony Hannan before the game in the new 'Fanzone' . Impressed. 
It was good to walk into the game with New Order belting out. 


On Saturday, 23 September 2017, 20:06:54 BST, Damian Walsh 
 wrote:  
 
 Moaning? Rich I think that it the nicest match report you've ever done - we
must be good :)

Damian

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> Top of the league - stop moaning (that's me predicting the replies to this
> match report and that's fair enough.
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Ipswich game

[{broken-address} Richard Walker]

 don't disagree with your statement about when Allioski, Siaz and Hernandes are 
on song they are unplayable however I think the days when they're all on song 
will be few. I'm thinking today, Brum, Millwall 
On Saturday, 23 September 2017, 19:58:41 BST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:  
 
 I hope that the reason for Jansson being missing was that he had only just 
recovered and could do with a couple more days.

As regards looking lightweight, I'm not sure I agree, plenty of skill, but 
today Alioski was below par, his crossing was terrible, but when all 3 are on 
song they are unplayable.  When they aren't Dallas, Grot and Roofe are all 
worthy subs, TC maybe needs to move things around a little earlier.  Despite a 
dip in the last 3 league games we are still top of the bloody league  

Cardiff are eminently beatable! 

ttfn

Richard

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{broken-address}
Sent: 23 September 2017 18:33
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Ipswich game




TC may take the 3-2 result as a vindication of his team selection, but I 
continue to believe that we look a little lightweight going forward when 
Hernandez, Saiz and Alioski are all on the field together. Of greater concern 
to me, however, was TC's post-match comment that Jansson was fit, but that he 
had decided not to select him. I don't understand that. Shaughnessy is a good 
player, and clearly made a beautiful pass for Lasogga's goal, but the defense 
as a whole looks much more solid when Jansson is playing. For example, 
McGoldrick's free header for Ipswich's first goal came from exactly the sort of 
position from which Jansson usually heads clear. I hope Pontus is back for 
Tuesday night. Simply put, we have not conceded a goal this season when Cooper 
and Jansson are the center-half pairing.


I also remain unconvinced by Wiedwald. A top keeper should have held the shot 
he parried into the path of the Ipswich player for their second goal. In 
addition, too often his clearances go straight into touch and he does not seem 
to command his box, often weakly punching high balls back into the danger area.


Nonetheless, it's another three points. Cardiff will provide an even sterner 
test, however.


Cheers!


Sean
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Damian Walsh]

Moaning? Rich I think that it the nicest match report you've ever done - we
must be good :)

Damian

On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 8:30 PM, {broken-address} Richard Walker <
richleed...@yahoo.co.uk.is-broken.gn.apc.org> wrote:

>
> Top of the league - stop moaning (that's me predicting the replies to this
> match report and that's fair enough.
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Ipswich game

[Richard Naef]

I hope that the reason for Jansson being missing was that he had only just 
recovered and could do with a couple more days.

As regards looking lightweight, I'm not sure I agree, plenty of skill, but 
today Alioski was below par, his crossing was terrible, but when all 3 are on 
song they are unplayable.  When they aren't Dallas, Grot and Roofe are all 
worthy subs, TC maybe needs to move things around a little earlier.  Despite a 
dip in the last 3 league games we are still top of the bloody league  

Cardiff are eminently beatable! 

ttfn

Richard

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{broken-address}
Sent: 23 September 2017 18:33
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Ipswich game




TC may take the 3-2 result as a vindication of his team selection, but I 
continue to believe that we look a little lightweight going forward when 
Hernandez, Saiz and Alioski are all on the field together. Of greater concern 
to me, however, was TC's post-match comment that Jansson was fit, but that he 
had decided not to select him. I don't understand that. Shaughnessy is a good 
player, and clearly made a beautiful pass for Lasogga's goal, but the defense 
as a whole looks much more solid when Jansson is playing. For example, 
McGoldrick's free header for Ipswich's first goal came from exactly the sort of 
position from which Jansson usually heads clear. I hope Pontus is back for 
Tuesday night. Simply put, we have not conceded a goal this season when Cooper 
and Jansson are the center-half pairing.


I also remain unconvinced by Wiedwald. A top keeper should have held the shot 
he parried into the path of the Ipswich player for their second goal. In 
addition, too often his clearances go straight into touch and he does not seem 
to command his box, often weakly punching high balls back into the danger area.


Nonetheless, it's another three points. Cardiff will provide an even sterner 
test, however.


Cheers!


Sean
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Re: [LU] Ipswich Away Pub (if going by Road)

[{broken-address} Nicholas Armit]

Hungy Horse?! What kind if name is that?
 

  From: "Rick Duniec (@ntl)" 
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 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 9:00 AM
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich Away Pub (if going by Road)
   
>I'm dwayne and like you i'm absolutely crazy about leeds united who i have 
>followed since the early seventies.i now live aprrox 27 miles from ipswich 
>wherei run a big hungy horse pub , a small town called bury st edmunds. 
Can you through your blog invite anyone coming down to the ipswich game to stop 
at my pub for either liquid or food refreshments, it would certainly make my 
year if i could get fellow leeds supporters filling up my pub especially when 
im used to it full of ipswich chelsea arsenal man utd fans !!! The pubs name is 
the greengage ip32 6rl. Thanks a lot mate 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Richard walker]

Adeyemi and Murphy together in midfield and Cook on the wing was a shocking 
decision, 

Rosler seems pretty clueless.

> On 16 Sep 2015, at 07:10, Nick Allen  wrote:
> 
> Well that was as uninspiring a 90 minutes as you could wish to spend. 
> Clueless, guileless garbage...both teams. The difference being that Ipswich 
> were faster and more physical, and they took the gift offered by Silvestri.
> 
> Rosler picked the starting eleven that most of us probably would have done, 
> but it left him nothing on the bench if he needed to change things to win the 
> game...Byram on for Dallas after 60 minutes...changes nothing except 
> replacing a specialist winger with one learning that role. 
> 
> Playing Cook on the left is a waste.
> 
> Bamba was an accident waiting to happen after another reckless booking ten 
> minutes in.
> 
> Whatever Wood brings to the team, he is not a target man. And there's not a 
> lot of point in lumping the ball at Antenucci's head either.
> 
> Play your best players in their best position. So, you'd have the same back 
> 5, Byram, Murphy, Cook, Dallas and either Mowatt or Adeyemi across the 
> Middle...and Antenucci up front. Raise the tempo and pass the ball to feet.
> 
> However much the crowd dislike the methodical build up from the back, 
> including lots of passes back to Silvestri, it is clearly what Rosler wants 
> them to do...so there's not a lot of point in barracking them about it.
> 
> Very poor indeed.
> 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[David W]

I think part of the frustration of the crowd comes from the fact that
Rosler has promised them one thing (Heavy Metal, press the opposition, play
in their half) and is delivering another - slow, methodical.

Though it seems very unfair, as he has been one of our better performers, I
would tempted to drop Berardi to get Byram a run at right back. Back on
form he can deliver a drive and impetus down that right that Berardi can't
and can get the crowd going.  We need something to get some oomph and
momentum back in our play.

Also bewildered at neither Erwin nor Botaka on the bench last night. 0-1
down in the last 20 mins and he didn't bring on Doukara. One can therefore
safely assume he will never bring on Doukara - if not then when? So surely
have either Erwin and/or Botaka as an option? It's something different.

Rosler, as so many managers do under Cellino operating under a perpetual
sword of damocles, is allowing play and tactics to be inhibited by fear of
defeat rather than pushing the game and driving for the win.

Still hopeful Rosler will deliver more, but he needs to be braver and
bolder (not just balder).

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Nick Allen  wrote:

> Well that was as uninspiring a 90 minutes as you could wish to spend.
> Clueless, guileless garbage...both teams. The difference being that Ipswich
> were faster and more physical, and they took the gift offered by Silvestri.
>
> Rosler picked the starting eleven that most of us probably would have
> done, but it left him nothing on the bench if he needed to change things to
> win the game...Byram on for Dallas after 60 minutes...changes nothing
> except replacing a specialist winger with one learning that role.
>
> Playing Cook on the left is a waste.
>
> Bamba was an accident waiting to happen after another reckless booking ten
> minutes in.
>
> Whatever Wood brings to the team, he is not a target man. And there's not
> a lot of point in lumping the ball at Antenucci's head either.
>
> Play your best players in their best position. So, you'd have the same
> back 5, Byram, Murphy, Cook, Dallas and either Mowatt or Adeyemi across the
> Middle...and Antenucci up front. Raise the tempo and pass the ball to feet.
>
> However much the crowd dislike the methodical build up from the back,
> including lots of passes back to Silvestri, it is clearly what Rosler wants
> them to do...so there's not a lot of point in barracking them about it.
>
> Very poor indeed.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[n...@6haroldplace.co.uk]

aye Dave - agree there's not much to choose between the two...and on that
balance I'd rather Billy than uncle Steve, but I'd rather Antenucci than
either...

 On 05 March 2015 at 10:12 nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
  I thought at the time that Sharp had mis-hit it but looking at it on TV this
 is not clear so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It also looked as if the
 ball from Cook was aimed at the onrushing Leeds player but was beyond him and
 fell to Sharp. 
   
  I think Sharp is just an out and out goal poacher in the Linker mould. Since
 goals are what decide games I would rather have him than the non scoring
 Morison even if overall his contribution is better
  Dave
 
  -
  ...a touch or two and lovely cross pulled back to just just beyond the
 penalty spot, where a swivelling Billy Sharp shins the thing into the bottom
 corner...
 
  Sharp - don’t rate him, doesn’t hold the ball up, can’t beat defenders in the
 air or on the ground...one decent shinner, but he was in the right place to
 get it.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Listening on the radio, Adam Pope and Noel Whelan were expressing concern about 
the Ipswich player who was down injured.

Then they realised it was Varney - at which point Whelan said ' should have 
kicked him harder'.
Later when Varney got subbed, Whelan joined in with the crowds booing.

Quite an achievement to become so unpopular when we had such a succession of 
average players in recent years.

Matt




 From: nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com
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Subject: [LU] Ipswich report

 
 In this state of fugue it was obvious that I would soon be seeing Varney 
leaping like a salmon and powering a header into the net right in front of me. 
Luckily it was offside and apart from a good headed pass later on Varney was 
not to prove a torn in our side.
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[nat...@sky.com]

I thought at the time that Sharp had mis-hit it but looking at it on TV this is 
not clear so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. It also looked as if the ball 
from Cook was aimed at the onrushing Leeds player but was beyond him and fell 
to Sharp. 
I think Sharp is just an out and out goal poacher in the Linker mould. Since 
goals are what decide games I would rather have him than the non scoring 
Morison even if overall his contribution is betterDave …a touch or two and 
lovely cross pulled back to just just beyond the penalty spot, where a 
swivelling Billy Sharp shins the thing into the bottom corner…

Sharp - don’t rate him, doesn’t hold the ball up, can’t beat defenders in the 
air or on the ground…one decent shinner, but he was in the right place to get 
it.





  
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[nat...@sky.com]

Yes SIX pounds - to be fair she did tell me when I ordered and let me choose 
something else. Spencers (the Q bar back in the day) is now a real ale only pub 
- no Smiths or Tetleys etc.called the Head of Steam They have given it a lick 
of paint but done nothing structurally and driven out all the old drunks - 
there was a table full of office workers last night. I got a pint of Leeds pale 
but was my mates round so not sure how much it was. The IPA had some name but 
cannot remember what, so no idea why it was so expensiveDave
  From: Peter Doherty forzale...@aol.com
 To: Leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org; nat...@sky.com 
 Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 13:17
 Subject: RE: [LU] Ipswich report
   
Dave, £6 is that a typo? 
Good news Prime Minister the recession is over even the Yorkshire people are 
buying beer at £6 a pint! 

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone



 nat...@sky.com wrote 

I arrived at the ground in a state of shock having been told that the IPA I 
had ordered in Spencers (now Head of Steam) was £6 ! £6 - a - pint, for IPA, 
in Spencers ! My bafflement was further compounded by the team news - Bellusic 
back,  no suprise but neither Cooper nor Bamba out, was he to play in 
midfield? No we had 4 centre halves across the back with Taylor doing a Byram. 
In this state of fugue it was obvious that I would soon be seeing Varney 
leaping like a salmon and powering a header into the net right in front of me. 
Luckily it was offside and apart from a good headed pass later on Varney was 
not to prove a torn in our side. Ipswich started well and we didn't but they 
did not look very good and their mistake quota was high as they misplaced 
passes and got it wrong a number of times in a poor first half. We did not do 
much either but did seem, once again, to be denied a definite penalty when 
Sharp was pushed over in the box. So the first half came and went - with 
Millwall losing and Wigan bound to lose at Norwich (sic) a point would be OK 
in the great scheme of things. The second half was a bit better as we had more 
control of it with Taylor impressing and Byram more to the fore. Byram got 
involved in a few tussles with their number 3, on one occasion losing and 
winning the ball in an individual battle  3 or 4 times. The opening goal came 
from this private battle as their defender fouled Byram on the corner of the 
box - 'dont shoot ffs' said my mate as we watched Mowatt bend it round the 
wall and into the corner of the net! 1 up and just about deserved.My mate did 
mutter something about us scoring too early and that we would lose 1 2 'Just 
keep the ball a bit' was the accepted wisdom on the terraces but the players 
had forgotten how to do that and did not touch the ball between the goal and 
the equaliser. Earlier on Silvestri had made a top class save and brought 
comments from those near me as to what a find he has been and what a great 
shot stopper. The fans curse, since he decided on this occasion to let a soft 
shot squirm under his body. Think Sprake in 1970 - not a bad comparison both 
for the shot and non save  but also for how bad the pitch seemed to be 
getting. My mates half joke 2 1 to them suddenly looked on. We are made of a 
bit sterner stuff nowadays and we woke up and went at them again. A run by 
Cooke, a nice cut back and Sharp did what he does best - he turned and put it 
in the net, good finish. Surely that was game over? No in  move,following 
Silvestris error, that had us saying 'betting scandal' Bamba went in to a 
challenge  just inside the box in the corner, with both his hands raised and 
then complained when the ref gave a penalty when he touched the ball with one 
of them. Silvestri (or the post or both) however redeemed himself and the 
penalty was missed. We sent on Morrison for Sharp, presumably to help us keep 
the ball a bit more and we did indeed manage to run the clock down and get 3 
more points that is edging us ever closer to safety.Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[[broken-address] Peter Doherty]

Dave, £6 is that a typo? 
Good news Prime Minister the recession is over even the Yorkshire people are 
buying beer at £6 a pint! 

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone

 nat...@sky.com wrote 

I arrived at the ground in a state of shock having been told that the IPA I 
had ordered in Spencers (now Head of Steam) was £6 ! £6 - a - pint, for IPA, 
in Spencers ! My bafflement was further compounded by the team news - Bellusic 
back,  no suprise but neither Cooper nor Bamba out, was he to play in 
midfield? No we had 4 centre halves across the back with Taylor doing a Byram. 
In this state of fugue it was obvious that I would soon be seeing Varney 
leaping like a salmon and powering a header into the net right in front of me. 
Luckily it was offside and apart from a good headed pass later on Varney was 
not to prove a torn in our side. Ipswich started well and we didn't but they 
did not look very good and their mistake quota was high as they misplaced 
passes and got it wrong a number of times in a poor first half. We did not do 
much either but did seem, once again, to be denied a definite penalty when 
Sharp was pushed over in the box. So the first half came and went - with 
Millwall losing and Wigan bound to lose at Norwich (sic) a point would be OK 
in the great scheme of things. The second half was a bit better as we had more 
control of it with Taylor impressing and Byram more to the fore. Byram got 
involved in a few tussles with their number 3, on one occasion losing and 
winning the ball in an individual battle  3 or 4 times. The opening goal came 
from this private battle as their defender fouled Byram on the corner of the 
box - 'dont shoot ffs' said my mate as we watched Mowatt bend it round the 
wall and into the corner of the net! 1 up and just about deserved.My mate did 
mutter something about us scoring too early and that we would lose 1 2 'Just 
keep the ball a bit' was the accepted wisdom on the terraces but the players 
had forgotten how to do that and did not touch the ball between the goal and 
the equaliser. Earlier on Silvestri had made a top class save and brought 
comments from those near me as to what a find he has been and what a great 
shot stopper. The fans curse, since he decided on this occasion to let a soft 
shot squirm under his body. Think Sprake in 1970 - not a bad comparison both 
for the shot and non save  but also for how bad the pitch seemed to be 
getting. My mates half joke 2 1 to them suddenly looked on. We are made of a 
bit sterner stuff nowadays and we woke up and went at them again. A run by 
Cooke, a nice cut back and Sharp did what he does best - he turned and put it 
in the net, good finish. Surely that was game over? No in  move,following 
Silvestris error, that had us saying 'betting scandal' Bamba went in to a 
challenge  just inside the box in the corner, with both his hands raised and 
then complained when the ref gave a penalty when he touched the ball with one 
of them. Silvestri (or the post or both) however redeemed himself and the 
penalty was missed. We sent on Morrison for Sharp, presumably to help us keep 
the ball a bit more and we did indeed manage to run the clock down and get 3 
more points that is edging us ever closer to safety.Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[tim . whelan]

Ipswich have certainly gone downhill since they started signing our cast-offs, 
slipping out of the play-off positions to seventh.


Their fans seem desperately unimpressed with their performance last night and 
their form since Christmas in general:-
http://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/page:1

Tim W.




 From: Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk
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Sent: Thursday, 5 March 2015, 7:27
Subject: [LU] Ipswich
 

This was a dull match…a really dull match…for 70 minutes next to nothing of any 
note happened - Ipswich had an early goal disallowed, we had a decent penalty 
shout denied mid-way through the first half. Other than that zip, nada…Christ 
it was boring. The most fun I had was when my mate turned up at half time 
having missed the train he should have caught up from London. How we laughed.

Hardly surprising that we did’t set the world on fire, with our 4 CHalfs 
playing across the back - Cooper moved to LBack to allow the return of Bellucci 
- replacing the injured Austin - so Taylor moved to LMidfield -  meaning we now 
had both full backs in midfield.

Wootton and Cooper do not look comfortable at full back - both frequently out 
of position, caught tucking in too close to their CHalf…not doing enough going 
forward, and to be fair, not being good enough or comfortable enough on the 
ball going forward, so staying back is probably the best option for them, but 
it limits the team’s attacking options severely.

On 70, we got a free kick on our right-side of the box, 25 yards out. Mowatt 
stepped up and thumped a beauty right in by the post…it looks like their keeper 
flapped and missed as he feared a collision with the post. Many keepers would 
have kept it out. Joyous celebrations around the ground and that feel-good 
factor lasted precisely 1 and half minutes until Silvestri began his one-man 
campaign to entertain…somehow he let a something and nothing 20 yard grubber 
run under his body…1-1. Back down the other end, minutes later…the sub, 
Antenucci, controls a high ball well, turns his man, holds onto it for a second 
or two…Cook flashes by him down the right wing, Antenucci releases the ball 
into his path…a touch or two and lovely cross pulled back to just just beyond 
the penalty spot, where a swivelling Billy Sharp shins the thing into the 
bottom corner…2-1. Minutes later again and Ipswich are pressing and some 
unknown reason the previously steady
 Bamba, handles the ball. There’s a bit of delay…eventually the left footed 
penalty taker, hits the spot kick low and hard to Silvestri’s bottom right hand 
corner, which as good luck would have it, is exactly where the Italian had 
dived and he does well to palm the ball onto the post and out.

5 minutes left and its all a bit of huff and puff without any clear cut 
chances…and the 3 points are ours. Less than 20,000 there to see it in all its 
glory.

MOTM - hero/villan - Silvestri - for sheer entertainment factor.

Back 4 often at sea - Bellucci makes some dreadful challenges…Bamba was mainly 
steady…Cooper/Wootton not often where they should be

Byram and Taylor - are athletic, have decent control and good instincts to 
press forward with pace and thus are worth playing in the midfield…the problem 
is that we don’t have better full backs than them to cover…

Cook, Murphy  Mowatt - were all much of a muchness in the middle - some good 
stuff…still trying to play football the right way coupled with some decent 
defensive tracking (not so much Mowatt)…but they all go missing for spells and 
they all are guaranteed one or two howlers a game

Sharp - don’t rate him, doesn’t hold the ball up, can’t beat defenders in the 
air or on the ground…one decent shinner, but he was in the right place to get 
it.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Robert Heath]

I bet I'm the only bloke on this list who was at the game in Casablanca
against Morocco in about 1981..THAT was a crap
team..loads of lads with names beginning with
HHird, Hamson, plus a couple more...Butterworth, I
think..a way past-it Eddie Gray. Dreadful.


On 29 January 2014 10:41, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote:

 I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a lower quality bunch if players
 turn out for Leeds and I can't say I have. The league 1 Leeds would beat
 this team hands down.

 Depressing.

 --

  On 29 Jan 2014, at 07:38, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
  Well I may have been looking forward to this pre match but after about
 10minutes I was looking forward to the final whistle, so poor was the fare
 on offer.
  2 poor teams, playing poorly does not make for a great spectacle
 especially in the rain.
  As expected we began with the same team as started against Leicester,
 the only change being Diouf for Varney, who did not even make the bench,
 giving credence to the Varney to Blackburn rumours.
  Against Leicester we started with passion and commitment and some flair
 creating chances galore early on - yesterday by half time our sum total was
 a shot by Austin that then keeper saved down to his right but which looked
 like it was going wide anyway, plus McCormack could only skim with the top
 of his head a too high cross. They were no better and also created little
 in a game littered with odd off sides - I say off because there were so
 many of them, mainly within a few yards of the halfway line and not
 appealed for by either team.
  The only bright point were a couple of nice triangles between Kebe,
 Byram and Diouf along our right touchline which came to nothing - not
 helped by the linesman who was 2 yards away but was the only one who did
 not see Byram 'taken out' when going for a one two.
  Diouf clearly has more class and skill than the rest of the team but I
 am not sure what actual use he is in the present line up. His lack of pace
 and lack of goal scoring threat makes him a luxury we do not need.
  The 20k crowd (up to you if that is good or not) greeted half time with
 muted applause and a few boos. These boos were really ramped up fairly
 early into the second half when a long range shot should have caused Kenny
 no worries but he somehow let it go through him and into the corner of the
 net - shocking mistake. This brought chants of 'we all love Leeds' from our
 new singers in the South Stand whereas the Kop responded with 'what the F
 is going on' for a few minutes before getting behind the team again. Things
 then improved slightly when Stewart who had got some real stick off the
 crowd a few minutes before for checking back and passing the ball to them
 ,when the chance was there for him to have a run at them, did just that and
 although he seemed to have run out of space and lost a bit of control in
 the box he was tripped and we got the nailed on but soft penatly
  Capt Ross hit it home and McD brought on Mowatt and Poleon - who were
 about to be brought on before the penalty
  This injection of youth and pace roused the crowd and Mowatts prompting
 passing and Poleons direct running did liven things up a bit but to say
 that the last half hour was entertaining would be stretching a bit
  At last the final whistle put us out of our misery and it was a point
 apiece - all either team desreved on a night that will soon be forgotten.
  The applause at the end was subdued and there were a few shouts of abuse
 but mainly fans were just apathetic - they are fed up to the back teeth
 with the take over nonsense and the lack of transfers despite all the big
 talk from Haig
  The five minutes or so between the goals showed that the fans are
 desperate to get behind the team and support them BUT that patience has
 worn out, 10 years of dross has made fans patience wafer thin
 
  Anyway roll on Saturday and 3 points :-)
 
  Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich addendum - Tom Lees

[Robert Heath]

How were the new lads?

Sounded on the radio like Stewart was patchy (but that included a couple of
good things) and Kebe was woeful.


On 29 January 2014 10:49, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

 Probably because I have tried to wipe it from my mind but I forget to
 mention the performance of Tom Lees - I have never seen a worse
 'footballer' than this lad. He is generally poor on the ball but yesterday
 he took it to new heights (lows?)
 Every time and I mean every, he had the ball at his feet he looked to turn
 back and pass it to Kenny or just lumped it forward. Given that we had no
 target man this was more stupid than normal.
 It got so bad and so predictable that fans were genuinely laughing towards
 the end of the game at his ineptitude. Yes he is an OK defender but you
 need more than that at this level and sorry Tom, you just have not got it
 A reflection on the game is the fact that for me, Warnock was man of the
 match !

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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Jim Moran]

Luckily I was only 6 then...

On 29 January 2014 08:03, Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote:
 I bet I'm the only bloke on this list who was at the game in Casablanca
 against Morocco in about 1981..THAT was a crap
 team..loads of lads with names beginning with HHird,
 Hamson, plus a couple more...Butterworth, I think..a way
 past-it Eddie Gray. Dreadful.


 On 29 January 2014 10:41, Jim Moran j...@jimmoran.co.uk wrote:

 I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a lower quality bunch if players
 turn out for Leeds and I can't say I have. The league 1 Leeds would beat
 this team hands down.

 Depressing.

 --

  On 29 Jan 2014, at 07:38, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
  Well I may have been looking forward to this pre match but after about
  10minutes I was looking forward to the final whistle, so poor was the fare
  on offer.
  2 poor teams, playing poorly does not make for a great spectacle
  especially in the rain.
  As expected we began with the same team as started against Leicester,
  the only change being Diouf for Varney, who did not even make the bench,
  giving credence to the Varney to Blackburn rumours.
  Against Leicester we started with passion and commitment and some flair
  creating chances galore early on - yesterday by half time our sum total was
  a shot by Austin that then keeper saved down to his right but which looked
  like it was going wide anyway, plus McCormack could only skim with the top
  of his head a too high cross. They were no better and also created little 
  in
  a game littered with odd off sides - I say off because there were so many 
  of
  them, mainly within a few yards of the halfway line and not appealed for by
  either team.
  The only bright point were a couple of nice triangles between Kebe,
  Byram and Diouf along our right touchline which came to nothing - not 
  helped
  by the linesman who was 2 yards away but was the only one who did not see
  Byram 'taken out' when going for a one two.
  Diouf clearly has more class and skill than the rest of the team but I
  am not sure what actual use he is in the present line up. His lack of pace
  and lack of goal scoring threat makes him a luxury we do not need.
  The 20k crowd (up to you if that is good or not) greeted half time with
  muted applause and a few boos. These boos were really ramped up fairly 
  early
  into the second half when a long range shot should have caused Kenny no
  worries but he somehow let it go through him and into the corner of the net
  - shocking mistake. This brought chants of 'we all love Leeds' from our new
  singers in the South Stand whereas the Kop responded with 'what the F is
  going on' for a few minutes before getting behind the team again. Things
  then improved slightly when Stewart who had got some real stick off the
  crowd a few minutes before for checking back and passing the ball to them
  ,when the chance was there for him to have a run at them, did just that and
  although he seemed to have run out of space and lost a bit of control in 
  the
  box he was tripped and we got the nailed on but soft penatly
  Capt Ross hit it home and McD brought on Mowatt and Poleon - who were
  about to be brought on before the penalty
  This injection of youth and pace roused the crowd and Mowatts prompting
  passing and Poleons direct running did liven things up a bit but to say 
  that
  the last half hour was entertaining would be stretching a bit
  At last the final whistle put us out of our misery and it was a point
  apiece - all either team desreved on a night that will soon be forgotten.
  The applause at the end was subdued and there were a few shouts of abuse
  but mainly fans were just apathetic - they are fed up to the back teeth 
  with
  the take over nonsense and the lack of transfers despite all the big talk
  from Haig
  The five minutes or so between the goals showed that the fans are
  desperate to get behind the team and support them BUT that patience has 
  worn
  out, 10 years of dross has made fans patience wafer thin
 
  Anyway roll on Saturday and 3 points :-)
 
  Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich addendum - Tom Lees

[nat...@sky.com]

Kebe looked OK early on linking up with Byram, Diouf and McCormack but overall 
was pretty annonymous and rubbish. One move summed it all up when he 'glided' 
past the first defender and then hit an awful cross into the first man. He is a 
bit of a bottler in 50/50s and offers very little defensively. Looks like he 
may have something about him but is yet to show it to any degree
Stewart was totally annonymous first half and did little second half until just 
before their goal when, as outlined in my report, he checked back and totally 
messed up when the fans were screaming at him to take the player on. He did 
learn from that and next time he had the ball he beat his man, cut inside and 
hit a shot across goal - never going in and would have been a belter if it had. 
This lifted him and got the crowd a bit on his side, and his next touch, he 
drove into the box, beat the first man and went past the second albeit losing 
control of the ball which was most likely going behind when he was fouled - 
pen, goal. That lifted him and he did try a few more runs - he was assisted by 
Mowatt, whose passing is always purposeful and invites runs rather than the 
crablike passing of Brown. Again may have something about him, but not much 
yet, and since we have him on a 3 year deal he will need to deliver quickly to 
stop himself becoming the fans
 scapegoat.
So maybe 4 out of 10 for Kebe and 5 for Stewart last night - a long way from 
the performances we need. A long way behind Gradel and Snoddy , our last 2 
decent wingers

Dave



On Wednesday, 29 January 2014, 8:05, Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa wrote:
 
How were the new lads? 

Sounded on the radio like Stewart was patchy (but that included a couple of 
good things) and Kebe was woeful.




On 29 January 2014 10:49, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

Probably because I have tried to wipe it from my mind but I forget to mention 
the performance of Tom Lees - I have never seen a worse 'footballer' than this 
lad. He is generally poor on the ball but yesterday he took it to new heights 
(lows?)
Every time and I mean every, he had the ball at his feet he looked to turn 
back and pass it to Kenny or just lumped it forward. Given that we had no 
target man this was more stupid than normal.
It got so bad and so predictable that fans were genuinely laughing towards the 
end of the game at his ineptitude. Yes he is an OK defender but you need more 
than that at this level and sorry Tom, you just have not got it
A reflection on the game is the fact that for me, Warnock was man of the match 
!

Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich addendum - Tom Lees

[Robert Heath]

Now THAT is the kind of analysis that we exiles thrive on! Thanks so much
for taking the time to write all that Dave...hugely appreciated.


On 29 January 2014 13:22, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

 Kebe looked OK early on linking up with Byram, Diouf and McCormack but
 overall was pretty annonymous and rubbish. One move summed it all up when
 he 'glided' past the first defender and then hit an awful cross into the
 first man. He is a bit of a bottler in 50/50s and offers very little
 defensively. Looks like he may have something about him but is yet to show
 it to any degree
 Stewart was totally annonymous first half and did little second half until
 just before their goal when, as outlined in my report, he checked back and
 totally messed up when the fans were screaming at him to take the player
 on. He did learn from that and next time he had the ball he beat his man,
 cut inside and hit a shot across goal - never going in and would have been
 a belter if it had. This lifted him and got the crowd a bit on his side,
 and his next touch, he drove into the box, beat the first man and went past
 the second albeit losing control of the ball which was most likely going
 behind when he was fouled - pen, goal. That lifted him and he did try a few
 more runs - he was assisted by Mowatt, whose passing is always purposeful
 and invites runs rather than the crablike passing of Brown. Again may have
 something about him, but not much yet, and since we have him on a 3 year
 deal he will need to deliver quickly to stop himself becoming the fans
 scapegoat.
 So maybe 4 out of 10 for Kebe and 5 for Stewart last night - a long way
 from the performances we need. A long way behind Gradel and Snoddy , our
 last 2 decent wingers

 Dave


   On Wednesday, 29 January 2014, 8:05, Robert Heath rhe...@asd.edu.qa
 wrote:
  How were the new lads?

 Sounded on the radio like Stewart was patchy (but that included a couple
 of good things) and Kebe was woeful.


 On 29 January 2014 10:49, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:

 Probably because I have tried to wipe it from my mind but I forget to
 mention the performance of Tom Lees - I have never seen a worse
 'footballer' than this lad. He is generally poor on the ball but yesterday
 he took it to new heights (lows?)
 Every time and I mean every, he had the ball at his feet he looked to turn
 back and pass it to Kenny or just lumped it forward. Given that we had no
 target man this was more stupid than normal.
 It got so bad and so predictable that fans were genuinely laughing towards
 the end of the game at his ineptitude. Yes he is an OK defender but you
 need more than that at this level and sorry Tom, you just have not got it
 A reflection on the game is the fact that for me, Warnock was man of the
 match !

 Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich addendum - Tom Lees

[Ted]

Got to say I agree with everything you say Dave.  Lees was just shocking
(as was Kebe)
I think our best two in central defence are Pearce (who is always steady
away) and Zaloukas (sp).  I feel a bit sorry for Zaloukas - one bad
(shocking!) game against Wednesday and he's dropped from sight, not even
making the bench.

I'm definitely not in the McD 'Out' camp but he doesn't seem to know what
he wants to do.  He's tried every combination of players and none have
worked out.  I was glad to see Diouf involved last night but in my mind, if
he is involved he should be coming on for the last 20 or so.

In his interview post-match last night he (McD) had a go at the board about
all the shenanigans going on.  He also said that Varney had asked him not
to be involved last night as he did not want to pick up an injury and
jeapordise his move, should it come off  WTF?  If his move doesn't come
off he should be told to fcuk off and not play for us again.

I'd have to start with Mowatt too - maybe at the expense of Austin?

Still, I don't think we're a million miles off - if we gel, and we have the
option of the wingers having Smith to aim for now and then, we might just
steady the ship.  McD did try reminding us that him (and the board) saw
this season as a building and steadying season before our 'push' (with his
team) next season.

Keep the faith!

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Jim Moran]

I'm trying to think if I've ever seen a lower quality bunch if players turn out 
for Leeds and I can't say I have. The league 1 Leeds would beat this team hands 
down. 

Depressing. 

--

 On 29 Jan 2014, at 07:38, nat...@sky.com nat...@sky.com wrote:
 
 Well I may have been looking forward to this pre match but after about 
 10minutes I was looking forward to the final whistle, so poor was the fare on 
 offer.
 2 poor teams, playing poorly does not make for a great spectacle especially 
 in the rain.
 As expected we began with the same team as started against Leicester, the 
 only change being Diouf for Varney, who did not even make the bench, giving 
 credence to the Varney to Blackburn rumours.
 Against Leicester we started with passion and commitment and some flair 
 creating chances galore early on - yesterday by half time our sum total was a 
 shot by Austin that then keeper saved down to his right but which looked like 
 it was going wide anyway, plus McCormack could only skim with the top of his 
 head a too high cross. They were no better and also created little in a game 
 littered with odd off sides - I say off because there were so many of them, 
 mainly within a few yards of the halfway line and not appealed for by either 
 team.
 The only bright point were a couple of nice triangles between Kebe, Byram and 
 Diouf along our right touchline which came to nothing - not helped by the 
 linesman who was 2 yards away but was the only one who did not see Byram 
 'taken out' when going for a one two.
 Diouf clearly has more class and skill than the rest of the team but I am not 
 sure what actual use he is in the present line up. His lack of pace and lack 
 of goal scoring threat makes him a luxury we do not need.
 The 20k crowd (up to you if that is good or not) greeted half time with muted 
 applause and a few boos. These boos were really ramped up fairly early into 
 the second half when a long range shot should have caused Kenny no worries 
 but he somehow let it go through him and into the corner of the net - 
 shocking mistake. This brought chants of 'we all love Leeds' from our new 
 singers in the South Stand whereas the Kop responded with 'what the F is 
 going on' for a few minutes before getting behind the team again. Things then 
 improved slightly when Stewart who had got some real stick off the crowd a 
 few minutes before for checking back and passing the ball to them ,when the 
 chance was there for him to have a run at them, did just that and although he 
 seemed to have run out of space and lost a bit of control in the box he was 
 tripped and we got the nailed on but soft penatly
 Capt Ross hit it home and McD brought on Mowatt and Poleon - who were about 
 to be brought on before the penalty
 This injection of youth and pace roused the crowd and Mowatts prompting 
 passing and Poleons direct running did liven things up a bit but to say that 
 the last half hour was entertaining would be stretching a bit
 At last the final whistle put us out of our misery and it was a point apiece 
 - all either team desreved on a night that will soon be forgotten.
 The applause at the end was subdued and there were a few shouts of abuse but 
 mainly fans were just apathetic - they are fed up to the back teeth with the 
 take over nonsense and the lack of transfers despite all the big talk from 
 Haig
 The five minutes or so between the goals showed that the fans are desperate 
 to get behind the team and support them BUT that patience has worn out, 10 
 years of dross has made fans patience wafer thin
 
 Anyway roll on Saturday and 3 points :-)
 
 Dave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich last 30.

[Matt Anderson]

If you have access to the hotbird satellite (as I'm sure most Dutch/german 
based people do!?!?!) they show championship games and other things like French 
league on Al Jazeera +3 channel.

You need a viaaccess cam (card holder) for your receiver then an Al Jazeera 
card which costs about £100 from eBay.

They have just removed the premier league from hotbird at the premier leagues 
request so that's only receivable if you have a 2.5m or larger and nilesat. 
(They show every single premier league game)

Matt


Sent from my iPad

On 25 Aug 2013, at 21:59, Guy Thornton guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net wrote:

 Got to see most of the game courtesy of Al Jazerra. Meant no commentary of 
 course, at least 
 undersandable, but then with with another 15 odd screens in thepub showing 
 other games - 
 everything from rugby league, union, aussie rules and footie (hadn't realized 
 most 15.00 ko 
 premiership games are broadcast) - wouldn't have heard anything anyway.
 
 Yes, first half hour was mainly Ipswich and could have been three goals down 
 but wheren't picked it 
 up and improved. Not going to try and give a detailed report, others already 
 have, but generally I 
 didn't find it that bad, certainlly better than some of the reports from 
 Leicester and other games, and 
 it gives me some hope for this season.
 
 
 
 On 25 Aug 2013 at 0:44, John Lee wrote:
 
 Looked like a game of two halves on telly. Some terrible defending and 
 tactics first half; more 
 balanced and more threat  in the second. I'll take as much luck as we can get 
 until we're safe from 
 the drop. How often have we moaned about unlucky Leeds/last minute goals 
 conceded - nice that 
 the boot is on the other foot.
  
 Not sure about McCormack's shoot from anywhere policy - he's no Gerrard - but 
 as long as they 
 keep deflecting in he'll keep taking pot-shots.
  
 5th place, a manager who doesn't sound like an arse, a manager who knows how 
 (and will) change 
 tactics - it'll do for now!
 
 
 
 From: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com
 To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013, 17:48
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich last 30.
 
 
 No comments yet? Are we all too flabbergasted after the dire early match
 reports?
 
 Away - I got to see the last 30 minswhich is as much of Leeds I've seen in
 a League match for donkey's years.
 
 I didn't see the goals but otherwise I was reasonably impressed. Leeds were
 trying to play possession football (a goal up obviously) and Ipswich
 weren't good enough to expose the weaknesses that are surely there. The
 fact is that not all Leeds players are comfortable on the ball. McCormack
 stands out, Austin looks confident (sometimes misplaced) and Peltier knows
 what he has to do when he gets the ball but the rest didn't look happy
 having to pass the ball about.
 
 I was surprised by Warnock who played like he was frightened to death by
 the ball. I had expected him to be much more comfortable.
 
 Austin played some classy and assured 30 yard passes but screwed up his 5
 yard ones. I wonder if he's got a concentration problem?
 
 Finally Poleon, when he came on, had some good runs but went nowhere.
 Partly I think because it never occurred to him that he's allowed to shoot
 when he gets sight of the goal. He cut inside several times on the edge of
 the box but then didn't know what to do - the Ipswich defenders sussed him
 out straight away and could afford to stand off him a bit when he was
 central, something they didn't do at all when he was wide.
 
 Damian MOT
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Re: [LU] Ipswich last 30.

[Guy Thornton]

Can't speak for the Germans but most dutch (based) persons don't have their own 
satellite - with 
virtually all the country being on cable a lot of places, including Amsterdam, 
get iffy on folk putting up 
their own satellites. Some areas, where a number of ethinic turks, etc live you 
do see satellites on 
balconys but it's frowned on and there are purges to remove them. The Amsterdam 
skyline does look  
a lot cleaner since the removal of ariels, satellites, etc.

That said we do have access as there's enough cafes and pubs showing games who 
have the 
necessary for it which is how I got watch Saturday. And as said they also had 
all the premier league 
games on other screen plus footie from other countries and various other sports.

Incidentally it's not just Al Jazerra for Championship footbball now. Fox has 
just started here in the 
Netherlands and they have got the rights for showing live Championship games 
here.

guy

On 26 Aug 2013 at 11:07, Matt Anderson wrote:

 If you have access to the hotbird satellite (as I'm sure most
 Dutch/german based people do!?!?!) they show championship games and
 other things like French league on Al Jazeera +3 channel.  

 You need a viaaccess cam (card holder) for your receiver then an Al
 Jazeera card which costs about £100 from eBay. 

 They have just removed the premier league from hotbird at the premier
 leagues request so that's only receivable if you have a 2.5m or larger
 and nilesat. (They show every single premier league game) 

 Matt 


Sent from my iPad

On 25 Aug 2013, at 21:59, Guy Thornton guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net wrote:

 Got to see most of the game courtesy of Al Jazerra. Meant no commentary of 
 course, at least 
 undersandable, but then with with another 15 odd screens in thepub showing 
 other games - 
 everything from rugby league, union, aussie rules and footie (hadn't realized 
 most 15.00 ko 
 premiership games are broadcast) - wouldn't have heard anything anyway.
 
 Yes, first half hour was mainly Ipswich and could have been three goals down 
 but wheren't picked it 
 up and improved. Not going to try and give a detailed report, others already 
 have, but generally I 
 didn't find it that bad, certainlly better than some of the reports from 
 Leicester and other games, and 
 it gives me some hope for this season.
 
 
 
 On 25 Aug 2013 at 0:44, John Lee wrote:
 
 Looked like a game of two halves on telly. Some terrible defending and 
 tactics first half; more 
 balanced and more threat  in the second. I'll take as much luck as we can get 
 until we're safe from 
 the drop. How often have we moaned about unlucky Leeds/last minute goals 
 conceded - nice that 
 the boot is on the other foot.
  
 Not sure about McCormack's shoot from anywhere policy - he's no Gerrard - but 
 as long as they 
 keep deflecting in he'll keep taking pot-shots.
  
 5th place, a manager who doesn't sound like an arse, a manager who knows how 
 (and will) change 
 tactics - it'll do for now!
 
 
 
 From: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com
 To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013, 17:48
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich last 30.
 
 
 No comments yet? Are we all too flabbergasted after the dire early match
 reports?
 
 Away - I got to see the last 30 minswhich is as much of Leeds I've seen in
 a League match for donkey's years.
 
 I didn't see the goals but otherwise I was reasonably impressed. Leeds were
 trying to play possession football (a goal up obviously) and Ipswich
 weren't good enough to expose the weaknesses that are surely there. The
 fact is that not all Leeds players are comfortable on the ball. McCormack
 stands out, Austin looks confident (sometimes misplaced) and Peltier knows
 what he has to do when he gets the ball but the rest didn't look happy
 having to pass the ball about.
 
 I was surprised by Warnock who played like he was frightened to death by
 the ball. I had expected him to be much more comfortable.
 
 Austin played some classy and assured 30 yard passes but screwed up his 5
 yard ones. I wonder if he's got a concentration problem?
 
 Finally Poleon, when he came on, had some good runs but went nowhere.
 Partly I think because it never occurred to him that he's allowed to shoot
 when he gets sight of the goal. He cut inside several times on the edge of
 the box but then didn't know what to do - the Ipswich defenders sussed him
 out straight away and could afford to stand off him a bit when he was
 central, something they didn't do at all when he was wide.
 
 Damian MOT
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Re: [LU] Ipswich last 30.

[Guy Thornton]

Got to see most of the game courtesy of Al Jazerra. Meant no commentary of 
course, at least 
undersandable, but then with with another 15 odd screens in thepub showing 
other games - 
everything from rugby league, union, aussie rules and footie (hadn't realized 
most 15.00 ko 
premiership games are broadcast) - wouldn't have heard anything anyway.

Yes, first half hour was mainly Ipswich and could have been three goals down 
but wheren't picked it 
up and improved. Not going to try and give a detailed report, others already 
have, but generally I 
didn't find it that bad, certainlly better than some of the reports from 
Leicester and other games, and 
it gives me some hope for this season.



On 25 Aug 2013 at 0:44, John Lee wrote:

Looked like a game of two halves on telly. Some terrible defending and tactics 
first half; more 
balanced and more threat  in the second. I'll take as much luck as we can get 
until we're safe from 
the drop. How often have we moaned about unlucky Leeds/last minute goals 
conceded - nice that 
the boot is on the other foot.
 
Not sure about McCormack's shoot from anywhere policy - he's no Gerrard - but 
as long as they 
keep deflecting in he'll keep taking pot-shots.
 
5th place, a manager who doesn't sound like an arse, a manager who knows how 
(and will) change 
tactics - it'll do for now!
 


 From: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com
To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013, 17:48
Subject: [LU] Ipswich last 30.
  

No comments yet? Are we all too flabbergasted after the dire early match
reports?

Away - I got to see the last 30 minswhich is as much of Leeds I've seen in
a League match for donkey's years.

I didn't see the goals but otherwise I was reasonably impressed. Leeds were
trying to play possession football (a goal up obviously) and Ipswich
weren't good enough to expose the weaknesses that are surely there. The
fact is that not all Leeds players are comfortable on the ball. McCormack
stands out, Austin looks confident (sometimes misplaced) and Peltier knows
what he has to do when he gets the ball but the rest didn't look happy
having to pass the ball about.

I was surprised by Warnock who played like he was frightened to death by
the ball. I had expected him to be much more comfortable.

Austin played some classy and assured 30 yard passes but screwed up his 5
yard ones. I wonder if he's got a concentration problem?

Finally Poleon, when he came on, had some good runs but went nowhere.
Partly I think because it never occurred to him that he's allowed to shoot
when he gets sight of the goal. He cut inside several times on the edge of
the box but then didn't know what to do - the Ipswich defenders sussed him
out straight away and could afford to stand off him a bit when he was
central, something they didn't do at all when he was wide.

Damian MOT
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Re: [LU] Ipswich last 30.

[Nicholas Armit]

Internet chair perspective on a bad feed:

First 30 minutes were dire, they were all over us. Peltier was totally absent 
and the midfield looked very disorganized. Then we got a lucky break and good 
finish by Varney.

Second half missed the second goal as was making tea. Any good? Sounded like a 
deflection. Better passing and more control and I am not sure if that is why 
Ipswich were less threatening or they played above themselves first half-hour. 
However, to be honest they still looked the classier team and we were doing 
some last ditch defending for at least a good 20 minutes soon after 60 minutes. 
Then they seemed to run out of steam and we were comfortable I thought the last 
10 or so.

I definitely think the win flattered us. Amazingly seeing I am in the US I have 
seen the first three games live and have to be honest I see us as a 
hard-working grafting team with very little class or pace. After praising 
Austin last week I think this week someone should tell him to calm down a bit 
and take his time. So many first time hoofed balls from defence when he had 
acres of space and loads of time. 

Still 8 points from 12 so wtf do I know (and no need to answer that.)

Nick



 From: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com
To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: [LU] Ipswich last 30.
 

No comments yet? Are we all too flabbergasted after the dire early match
reports?

Away - I got to see the last 30 minswhich is as much of Leeds I've seen in
a League match for donkey's years.

I didn't see the goals but otherwise I was reasonably impressed. Leeds were
trying to play possession football (a goal up obviously) and Ipswich
weren't good enough to expose the weaknesses that are surely there. The
fact is that not all Leeds players are comfortable on the ball. McCormack
stands out, Austin looks confident (sometimes misplaced) and Peltier knows
what he has to do when he gets the ball but the rest didn't look happy
having to pass the ball about.

I was surprised by Warnock who played like he was frightened to death by
the ball. I had expected him to be much more comfortable.

Austin played some classy and assured 30 yard passes but screwed up his 5
yard ones. I wonder if he's got a concentration problem?

Finally Poleon, when he came on, had some good runs but went nowhere.
Partly I think because it never occurred to him that he's allowed to shoot
when he gets sight of the goal. He cut inside several times on the edge of
the box but then didn't know what to do - the Ipswich defenders sussed him
out straight away and could afford to stand off him a bit when he was
central, something they didn't do at all when he was wide.

Damian MOT
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Re: [LU] Ipswich last 30.

[John Lee]

Looked like a game of two halves on telly. Some terrible defending and tactics 
first half; more balanced and more threat  in the second. I'll take as much 
luck as we can get until we're safe from the drop. How often have we moaned 
about unlucky Leeds/last minute goals conceded - nice that the boot is on the 
other foot.
 
Not sure about McCormack's shoot from anywhere policy - he's no Gerrard - but 
as long as they keep deflecting in he'll keep taking pot-shots.
 
5th place, a manager who doesn't sound like an arse, a manager who knows how 
(and will) change tactics - it'll do for now!
 


 From: Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com
To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2013, 17:48
Subject: [LU] Ipswich last 30.
  

No comments yet? Are we all too flabbergasted after the dire early match
reports?

Away - I got to see the last 30 minswhich is as much of Leeds I've seen in
a League match for donkey's years.

I didn't see the goals but otherwise I was reasonably impressed. Leeds were
trying to play possession football (a goal up obviously) and Ipswich
weren't good enough to expose the weaknesses that are surely there. The
fact is that not all Leeds players are comfortable on the ball. McCormack
stands out, Austin looks confident (sometimes misplaced) and Peltier knows
what he has to do when he gets the ball but the rest didn't look happy
having to pass the ball about.

I was surprised by Warnock who played like he was frightened to death by
the ball. I had expected him to be much more comfortable.

Austin played some classy and assured 30 yard passes but screwed up his 5
yard ones. I wonder if he's got a concentration problem?

Finally Poleon, when he came on, had some good runs but went nowhere.
Partly I think because it never occurred to him that he's allowed to shoot
when he gets sight of the goal. He cut inside several times on the edge of
the box but then didn't know what to do - the Ipswich defenders sussed him
out straight away and could afford to stand off him a bit when he was
central, something they didn't do at all when he was wide.

Damian MOT
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Re: [LU] Ipswich game on TV

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Sado Masochism.
:(

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On 19 August 2013 23:58, Guy Bonello bone...@maltanet.net wrote:

 Ipswich - Leeds is the 3pm ko Championship game being screened around the
 world this Saturday , so should be some streams. knocking about
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[David Brennan]

 Message: 15
 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:06:12 + (GMT)
 From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich
 
 A ridiculously bad goal from their point of view. Then a ball down the
 middle , their sub keeper comes out and just seems to miss it leaving
 Macca to roll it into an empty net. Then Becchio who came on for the
 ineffective Forsell and slotted in a 3rd to win the game. Ipswich had
 abandoned all defensive duties by then however Becchio took his goal
 really well which surprised me because I thought he'd forgotten what
 his feet were for. His first touch in open play though I can report has
 not changed. He'll get picked again next match unfortunately.?

I was right behind the South Stand goal and Macca was able to score as the 
Ipswich keeper hesitated when coming out, which gave Macca just enough time to 
get to the ball first. If the keeper hadn't hesitated he'd have got there first.

It pains me to say this, but I thought we were much livelier after Becchio came 
on.  Maybe just a coincidence :-/  Like Rich says though he did take his goal 
really well, best goal of the day, really the only proper goal scored all day 
you might say.

 What a moaning git I am but anyone who was there yesterday knows that
 the atmosphere and the general feeling about the place is desperate and
 something has to give.?

The atmosphere was very subdued.  The biggest cheer in the first half came when 
one wild speculative shot from Ipswich ended up on the back row of the South 
Stand.  We did laugh.

I can only concur with the rest of the posters to this list that Saturday's 
performance was an absolute bag of shite.  I can't believe that we can play 
that badly, win, and be one point off the playoffs.  Is this league really that 
shit?

I took my brothers to the match on Saturday as Christmas presents.  Should have 
stuck with socks.

DRB
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Someone said that Becchio's celebration after scoring was 'strange'. Anyone
care to explain?




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On 23 January 2012 11:44, David Brennan d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:

  Message: 15
  Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 17:06:12 + (GMT)
  From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
  To: leedslist@gn.apc.org leedslist@gn.apc.org
  Subject: [LU] Ipswich
 
  A ridiculously bad goal from their point of view. Then a ball down the
  middle , their sub keeper comes out and just seems to miss it leaving
  Macca to roll it into an empty net. Then Becchio who came on for the
  ineffective Forsell and slotted in a 3rd to win the game. Ipswich had
  abandoned all defensive duties by then however Becchio took his goal
  really well which surprised me because I thought he'd forgotten what
  his feet were for. His first touch in open play though I can report has
  not changed. He'll get picked again next match unfortunately.?

 I was right behind the South Stand goal and Macca was able to score as the
 Ipswich keeper hesitated when coming out, which gave Macca just enough time
 to get to the ball first. If the keeper hadn't hesitated he'd have got
 there first.

 It pains me to say this, but I thought we were much livelier after Becchio
 came on.  Maybe just a coincidence :-/  Like Rich says though he did take
 his goal really well, best goal of the day, really the only proper goal
 scored all day you might say.

  What a moaning git I am but anyone who was there yesterday knows that
  the atmosphere and the general feeling about the place is desperate and
  something has to give.?

 The atmosphere was very subdued.  The biggest cheer in the first half came
 when one wild speculative shot from Ipswich ended up on the back row of the
 South Stand.  We did laugh.

 I can only concur with the rest of the posters to this list that
 Saturday's performance was an absolute bag of shite.  I can't believe that
 we can play that badly, win, and be one point off the playoffs.  Is this
 league really that shit?

 I took my brothers to the match on Saturday as Christmas presents.  Should
 have stuck with socks.

 DRB
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Kneale, Andy]

Someone said that Becchio's celebration after scoring was 'strange'. Anyone
care to explain?

Argentinian robot dance?

Gaffer








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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[David Brennan]

He went over to the touch line near the corner, turned round to face the 
players then sort of wiggled his hips and beckoned people to come to him with 
his hands.

From: beden...@gmail.com [mailto:beden...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Dr Michael 
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To: David Brennan
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich

Someone said that Becchio's celebration after scoring was 'strange'. Anyone 
care to explain?




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On 23 January 2012 11:44, David Brennan 
d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.ukmailto:d.r.bren...@leeds.ac.uk wrote:
 Message: 15
 Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012tel:2012 17:06:12 + (GMT)
 From: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 leedslist@gn.apc.orgmailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich

 A ridiculously bad goal from their point of view. Then a ball down the
 middle , their sub keeper comes out and just seems to miss it leaving
 Macca to roll it into an empty net. Then Becchio who came on for the
 ineffective Forsell and slotted in a 3rd to win the game. Ipswich had
 abandoned all defensive duties by then however Becchio took his goal
 really well which surprised me because I thought he'd forgotten what
 his feet were for. His first touch in open play though I can report has
 not changed. He'll get picked again next match unfortunately.?

I was right behind the South Stand goal and Macca was able to score as the 
Ipswich keeper hesitated when coming out, which gave Macca just enough time to 
get to the ball first. If the keeper hadn't hesitated he'd have got there first.

It pains me to say this, but I thought we were much livelier after Becchio came 
on.  Maybe just a coincidence :-/  Like Rich says though he did take his goal 
really well, best goal of the day, really the only proper goal scored all day 
you might say.

 What a moaning git I am but anyone who was there yesterday knows that
 the atmosphere and the general feeling about the place is desperate and
 something has to give.?

The atmosphere was very subdued.  The biggest cheer in the first half came when 
one wild speculative shot from Ipswich ended up on the back row of the South 
Stand.  We did laugh.

I can only concur with the rest of the posters to this list that Saturday's 
performance was an absolute bag of shite.  I can't believe that we can play 
that badly, win, and be one point off the playoffs.  Is this league really that 
shit?

I took my brothers to the match on Saturday as Christmas presents.  Should have 
stuck with socks.

DRB
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[N H]

Yup my thoughts exactly when i saw the video clips..especially at the end as 
others closed there were definitely some pelvic thrusts on display and just a 
hint of a woody there too... Each to his own, I guess

 


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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich
  

Looked to me like he was trying to f@ck a sheep, not that I'd know what that 
looks like mind.

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 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 18:40:13 +0100
 Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich
 
 It's a celebration all Brazilian players (especially the AC Milan ones) 
 seem to be doing at the moment, after being made famous by Neymar.
 
 It's from a popular Brazilian song called ahi se eu te pego (or something 
 like that)
 
 why an Argie would want to copy a Brazilian, though?

                          
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[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

LOL 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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On 23 Jan 2012, at 20:52, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:

 Looked to me like he was trying to f@ck a sheep, not that I'd know what that 
 looks like mind.
 
 Is that because you've always been more of a doer than a watcher?
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Ian Murray]

*delete*

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jan 2012, at 20:46, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 LOL 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
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 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 23 Jan 2012, at 20:52, Paul Cundell p...@cundell.com wrote:
 
 Looked to me like he was trying to f@ck a sheep, not that I'd know what 
 that looks like mind.
 
 Is that because you've always been more of a doer than a watcher?
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the club 
want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't it ?  and 
Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, Grayson and 
Lorimer are all lying to us fans.

Sent from my iPad

On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Well I really cannot remember a victory that felt so empty as todays. Given 
 that we were a goal down  with 15min to go a victory should have us all 
 buzzing and to turn 0-1 down to a 3-1 win should be the stuff of dreams. As 
 it was I , and many others , left the ground totally deflated after an awful 
 performance in an awful match. My mate refused to celebrate our second  it 
 was such a gift and so undeserved,The first half was terrible football and 
 both sides were very poor indeed for the most part. We managed to go the 
 whole 45 minutes without a single shot or chance worthy of the name. They 
 were just as bad but did seem, at least , to be putting some effort and 
 commitment into the game whereas we were just going through the motions,, On 
 the way to the ground we were trying to convince ourselves that the 
 re-introduction of Delph meant that we were on the way to getting a dream 
 midfield , but it never turned out like that. Delph was mainly off the pace
 and did very little, Clayton continued his invisible man impersonation, 
 Townsend showed that his debut game may be a flash in the pan, Only Snoddy 
 seemed up for it. Up front Forsell showed why he has struggled to get into 
 the team and McCormack hardly got a touch.Thankfully they were almost just as 
 bad and were restricted to one long range effort that hit the woodwork. Then 
 disaster struck, a short corner was played to a lad on the edge of the box 
 and his daisycutter found its way through to Lonergan, no danger there until 
 he suddenly turned in Rachukba and let it slip through his fingers - what a 
 mistake, what a soft goal , a shame since Lonergan our new captain has had an 
 impressive season so far,The quiet subdued crowd fell into a total stupor. So 
 -0-1 at half time, Surely SG would make changes and sort things out at half 
 time - well for 25mins things were just as bad even though White and Becchio 
 were introduced on the hour.Then McCarthy seemed to
 decide, having said how much he loved it at Leeds, that he would give us a 
 hand, He twice kicked it into touch under no pressure and then a hopeful punt 
 forward was headed backwards by the defender, he had  not realised where 
 McCarthy was and the ball was on its way goalwards until McCarthy dived full 
 stretch to keep it out. The only problem was that he was way out of the area 
 and so left the ref no choice - a straight red. For the 3rd game in a row we 
 were playing against 10men. This should have been the cue for us to up the 
 game and really take it to them. Instead we relied on 2 awful pieces of 
 defending (v similar to Burnley game) First the centre half gave the ball to 
 Snoddy in front of an empty goal 1-1 then a  mix up between the keeper and 
 defender allowed Ross to stroll forward and walk the ball home. The Ipswich 
 fans must have been tearing their hair out.Ipswich by this time had totally 
 collapsed and after 3 ridiculous goals we then put the
 icing on the cake (such as it was) with a well taken goal by Becchio who 
 struck it well from a tight angle,So a 3 1 win and the fans trooped home 
 almost embarassed at getting 3 points.As for Bates there were a number of 
 Bates Out chants, and a bit of humour with an adaptation of the Colin 
 Bell,Man City song (number 1 is Colin Bell, number 2 is Colin Bell and so on) 
 - our version was'  number one -- here on loan, number 2 here on loan, number 
 3 here on loan ' etc. Not factually accurate (before Mark H points it out) 
 but they did have a point. Then it was 2 more players to sell before we buy 
 the hotel 
 So all in all a very disappointing victory, once again against ten men, and a 
 victory that does little to paper over the cracks and will not encourage 
 anyone who was there to fill in their ST renewal formsBut I suppose 3 points 
 is 3 points and we now have 10 days until our next game and a debut for 
 Robbie Rogers and anyone else we may bring inDave
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Are you joking? 

Sent from my iPhone. 
Dr Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the club 
 want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't it ?  
 and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, Grayson 
 and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

Nope - all over Waccoe

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:28, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are you joking? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the club 
 want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't it ?  
 and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, Grayson 
 and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

Lorimer heckled and as a result threatened to stop doing qa sessions.  Give it 
up Peter.

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:05, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Nope - all over Waccoe
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:28, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Are you joking? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the club 
 want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't it ?  
 and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, Grayson 
 and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

 big time in Pavillion
January 21 2012 at 2:40 PM  hertswhite   (Login hertswhite)
Andrew Haigh RETWEET 

3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
#lufc-lorimer losing it in the members lounge! 
Retweeted by Andrew Haigh 

@liamlufcmarsh 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
Lorimer struggling. Ruined his legacy #batesout 

@matty_shay 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
At least Ben Parker is speaking the truth in here which we haven't heard for 7 
years? #batesout 

@LUFC_GerC93 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
ben parker has come out and said howson wants to stay but the club want the 
money morelies from bates! #lufc #7yearsoflies #batesout 

@lds120188: Parker just said Howson wants to stay at #lufc not got to #Ncfc he 
said the club said they wanted the money not Howson 

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:09, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Lorimer heckled and as a result threatened to stop doing qa sessions.  Give 
 it up Peter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:05, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Nope - all over Waccoe
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:28, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Are you joking? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the 
 club want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't 
 it ?  and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, 
 Grayson and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

So that's Parker out too. 
I cannot believe that the management is so fucked up. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 22 Jan 2012, at 13:25, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
  big time in Pavillion
 January 21 2012 at 2:40 PMhertswhite   (Login hertswhite)
 Andrew Haigh RETWEET 
 
 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 #lufc-lorimer losing it in the members lounge! 
 Retweeted by Andrew Haigh 
 
 @liamlufcmarsh 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 Lorimer struggling. Ruined his legacy #batesout 
 
 @matty_shay 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 At least Ben Parker is speaking the truth in here which we haven't heard for 
 7 years? #batesout 
 
 @LUFC_GerC93 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 ben parker has come out and said howson wants to stay but the club want the 
 money morelies from bates! #lufc #7yearsoflies #batesout 
 
 @lds120188: Parker just said Howson wants to stay at #lufc not got to #Ncfc 
 he said the club said they wanted the money not Howson 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:09, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Lorimer heckled and as a result threatened to stop doing qa sessions.  Give 
 it up Peter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:05, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Nope - all over Waccoe
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:28, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Are you joking? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the 
 club want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't 
 it ?  and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, 
 Grayson and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

Well if its true .. But at this moment it seems a bit more likely than Howson 
asking for 25k fantasy. Hopefully Howson will make a stand and reject the move 
but that would be a brave decision given the state of the club.

And yes we won 3-1 but unlike Burnley where we turned it around we were gifted 
the win. Delph isnt fit. Everything was shit yesterday (apart from the beer) 
and I don't often say that after a win. Like Ian I will not be attending any 
more matches until this mess is resolved.

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:32, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 So that's Parker out too. 
 I cannot believe that the management is so fucked up. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 13:25, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 
  big time in Pavillion
 January 21 2012 at 2:40 PM   hertswhite   (Login hertswhite)
 Andrew Haigh RETWEET 
 
 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 #lufc-lorimer losing it in the members lounge! 
 Retweeted by Andrew Haigh 
 
 @liamlufcmarsh 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 Lorimer struggling. Ruined his legacy #batesout 
 
 @matty_shay 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 At least Ben Parker is speaking the truth in here which we haven't heard for 
 7 years? #batesout 
 
 @LUFC_GerC93 3m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open 
 ben parker has come out and said howson wants to stay but the club want the 
 money morelies from bates! #lufc #7yearsoflies #batesout 
 
 @lds120188: Parker just said Howson wants to stay at #lufc not got to #Ncfc 
 he said the club said they wanted the money not Howson 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:09, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Lorimer heckled and as a result threatened to stop doing qa sessions.  
 Give it up Peter.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:05, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Nope - all over Waccoe
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 10:28, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Are you joking? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:04, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the 
 club want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things 
 doesn't it ?  and Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe 
 that Bates, Grayson and Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 21 Jan 2012, at 22:33, DAVID NATTAN david.nat...@btinternet.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Paul Cundell]

 Ben Parker pre-match stating that Howson doesn't want to leave and the
club
 want the money rather than player puts a new slant on things doesn't it ?
and
 Lorimer snatching the mic off him. I firmly believe that Bates, Grayson
and
 Lorimer are all lying to us fans.
 

I know the Bates apologists will say I'm just paranoid but I'm starting to
doubt anything that is said by anyone in Bates' employ.
Unfortunately that includes Grayson, Lorimer, Gray, Kirwin and Dews.
I was told that Gray, during the match commentary, reckoned that Howson
won't be missed because he hadn't had a good season and wasn't really that
good. 
I also heard that Gray and Kirwin blustered about how an £11.5m player
budget was a lot of money and we should all be grateful to Uncle Ken.
I didn't hear the commentary so can anyone clarify?



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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Chris Briggs]

If you are a ST holder Bates has already had the opportunity to bend you over 
brokeback mountain style. He doesn't care if you don't go as the cash was 
trousered last year.

If ST holders were to attend the game, not spend any money and sit there in 
silence it is likely to have a huge impact. I would imagine that the media 
would have a field day reporting on a silent crowd.

As for the non-ST holders (of which I am one) stopping going offers the best 
impact.


On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 Well if its true .. But at this moment it seems a bit more likely than Howson 
 asking for 25k fantasy. Hopefully Howson will make a stand and reject the 
 move but that would be a brave decision given the state of the club.
 
 And yes we won 3-1 but unlike Burnley where we turned it around we were 
 gifted the win. Delph isnt fit. Everything was shit yesterday (apart from the 
 beer) and I don't often say that after a win. Like Ian I will not be 
 attending any more matches until this mess is resolved.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Richard Walker]

Yes I know that but I still don't feel like going whilst bates lies.

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:53, Chris Briggs c_bri...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:

 If you are a ST holder Bates has already had the opportunity to bend you over 
 brokeback mountain style. He doesn't care if you don't go as the cash was 
 trousered last year.
 
 If ST holders were to attend the game, not spend any money and sit there in 
 silence it is likely to have a huge impact. I would imagine that the media 
 would have a field day reporting on a silent crowd.
 
 As for the non-ST holders (of which I am one) stopping going offers the best 
 impact.
 
 
 On 22 Jan 2012, at 11:39, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 Well if its true .. But at this moment it seems a bit more likely than 
 Howson asking for 25k fantasy. Hopefully Howson will make a stand and reject 
 the move but that would be a brave decision given the state of the club.
 
 And yes we won 3-1 but unlike Burnley where we turned it around we were 
 gifted the win. Delph isnt fit. Everything was shit yesterday (apart from 
 the beer) and I don't often say that after a win. Like Ian I will not be 
 attending any more matches until this mess is resolved.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[DAVID NATTAN]

My only comment  to RIch, Paul and anyone else who is talking about not going 
again or are on about not renewing STs - that is your decision and up to you 
BUT if you are going to do this as a 'protest' then for goodness sake write 
/email the club and let them know a. That it is a protest  and b. What your 
grievance(s) are.
If fans just stop going the club do not know if it is in protest or just that 
you may, for instance, have lost your job, moved away etc
A protest is only any use if the people who  count know that you are protesting 
and what you are protesting about
(only time will tell of course if the protests will be of any use whatever fans 
say and do)
Dave
--- On Sun, 22/1/12, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Yes I know that but I still don't feel like going whilst bates lies.

. Like Ian I will not be attending any more matches until this mess is resolved.
 

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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[N H]

Given the poor/useless quality of the radio stream on LUTV, for the 
match, yesterday I did not hear every thing and in fact gave up entirely trying 
to listen not long after half time; however I am and avid listener from out 
here in the colonies each week and find that Eddie usually speaks a lot of 
truth and sense. While he chooses his words prettu carefully it isn't 
difficult, usually to interpret that he is not happy with a lot that is 
happening on and off the field.
 
I did not hear any discussoin of the budget yesterday but, one very telling 
comment, that did not mince words was when he said, That 11 out there, now 
will no get ya promotion!
 
Eddie has always been a huge Howson fan, extolling the talents and worth of the 
lad since he was just a kid so, I would find it difficult to believe that he 
would have, in all good conscience said anything positive, for the team about 
Howson leaving. .
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Re: [LU] Ipswich report

[Nicholas Armit]

From what I heard there was nothing positive and no criticism of Howson. The 
broadcasters were as critical as Gray.



 From: Nigel Sykes ni...@sykesonline.com
To: 'LEEDSLIST' leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich report
 
 one very telling comment, that did not mince words was when he said, 
 That 11 out there, now will no get ya promotion!

The commentators were certainly as dismayed as the fans.  Another telling
comment came at half time when they asked the 3rd guy (can't remember his
name) what he would change in the 2nd half.  All 11 he said, dryly...

Nigel

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Re: [LU] Ipswich , Delph and Rog Rogers

[Tim Leslie]

 Well with all this dm and glooom predicated  ,I recon we will have a
 stunning win on Saturday and everything will be fine, back for play off
 place/// , Hopefully Delph if playing will give 100%  ,we will also soon
 have  another USA International Robbin Roy Rogers and his mate Trigger .
 SG stated he will make a  big difference for us. (hopefully). LUFC OK

SG WOULD say he'll make a big difference for us! He'll hardly say Oh
he'll be average.
I am so despondant with it all at the moment that, ironically, I now
expect us to get promoted :-)

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Re: [LU] Ipswich , Delph and Rog Rogers

[Richard Naef]

Well with all this dm and glooom predicated  ,I recon we will have a
stunning win on Saturday and everything will be fine, back for play off
place/// , Hopefully Delph if playing will give 100%  ,we will also soon
have  another USA International Robbin Roy Rogers and his mate Trigger

or Delph will trip over his bootlace and break his ankle and Roy Rogers will
turn out to be Eddie Lewis in disguise.



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Re: [LU] Ipswich , Delph and Rog Rogers

[Ian Murray]

I loved Eddie! Goals away at Stoke and home to Preston (free kick) spring to 
mind. Why did Blackwell get backed by the MS?

Sent from my iPhone

On 20 Jan 2012, at 13:22, Richard Naef rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk 
wrote:

 Well with all this dm and glooom predicated  ,I recon we will have a
 stunning win on Saturday and everything will be fine, back for play off
 place/// , Hopefully Delph if playing will give 100%  ,we will also soon
 have  another USA International Robbin Roy Rogers and his mate Trigger
 
 or Delph will trip over his bootlace and break his ankle and Roy Rogers will
 turn out to be Eddie Lewis in disguise.
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Damian Walsh]

You mean support another team?

Damian

On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin.
beden...@gmail.comwrote:


 Time to ditch  them all.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

No
Ditch the entire management team. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 28 Aug 2011, at 09:05, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote:

 You mean support another team?
 
 Damian
 
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 beden...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 Time to ditch  them all.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Ian Murray]

Ha - sounds a bit radical to me! The only way we'll get rid of Bates is through 
either a billionaire, government intervention in football governance or his 
death. 

We have to keep Grayson.

Ian

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On 28 Aug 2011, at 08:58, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 No
 Ditch the entire management team. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 28 Aug 2011, at 09:05, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You mean support another team?
 
 Damian
 
 On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin.
 beden...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 Time to ditch  them all.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Wayne]

We have to keep grayson..unless we can lure Gus poyet back ;)
Regards
Wayne

Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote:

Ha - sounds a bit radical to me! The only way we'll get rid of Bates is 
through either a billionaire, government intervention in football governance 
or his death. 

We have to keep Grayson.

Ian

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On 28 Aug 2011, at 08:58, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 No
 Ditch the entire management team. 
 
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 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 28 Aug 2011, at 09:05, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You mean support another team?
 
 Damian
 
 On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin.
 beden...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 
 Time to ditch  them all.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Mark Humphries]

And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the international
break.

Fucking referees.

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of N If
Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU]  Ipswich

sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9

Dr M

How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?

Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Mark Humphries]

Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1 game
we will be 22nd.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich

And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the international
break.

Fucking referees.

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of N If
Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
To: leedslist
Subject: [LU]  Ipswich

sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9

Dr M

How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?

Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

We have an issue of being a  cheap drama bunch of losers. As soon as we were 
one up I said watch how they'll find a drama charged lunatic way of losing and 
saying we could have only if. 
Bates is a robbing baron and should be strung up.  I  fed up of being fibbed 
and fobbed off 
We are a fuvking joke. 

Sent from my iPhone. 
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On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:53, N If mister@gmail.com wrote:

 sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
 hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
 loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9
 
 Dr M
 
 How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
 Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Richard Walker]

Very, very sickening especially when Jason bastard Scotland comes on and scores 
with his first touch. 

Not to worry though Becchio will be back soon  FFS where's the beer ! What 
a pisser

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On 27 Aug 2011, at 16:53, N If mister@gmail.com wrote:

 sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
 hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
 loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9
 
 Dr M
 
 How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
 Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

'After ten games you can see the league'. 
After half of them we see a malignant Stoat ripping us off. Grayson who thinks 
that you improve defending by getting sent off. 
Our defense was shit. What did we do exactly? 
Absolutely nothing. Sorry taught them to get sent off. What better way to 
improve defending set pieces? How many ficking badges did Grayson get for that 
stroke of genius? 
God almighty. The team I  am the Stoat of had a bad season. We sat down. 
Outlined our weaknesses and found solutions. No bloody talking and posing. 
What did these bloody morons do all summer? Yammering and lying. 
Time to ditch  them all. 


Sent from my iPhone. 
Dr Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:57, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:

 Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1 game
 we will be 22nd.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
 To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
 Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the international
 break.
 
 Fucking referees.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of N If
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
 To: leedslist
 Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
 hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
 loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9
 
 Dr M
 
 How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
 Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Richard Walker]

I've got to give it to you mate your 
Malignant stoat mails are consistent and very funny.

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Aug 2011, at 17:16, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com wrote:

 'After ten games you can see the league'. 
 After half of them we see a malignant Stoat ripping us off. Grayson who 
 thinks that you improve defending by getting sent off. 
 Our defense was shit. What did we do exactly? 
 Absolutely nothing. Sorry taught them to get sent off. What better way to 
 improve defending set pieces? How many ficking badges did Grayson get for 
 that stroke of genius? 
 God almighty. The team I  am the Stoat of had a bad season. We sat down. 
 Outlined our weaknesses and found solutions. No bloody talking and posing. 
 What did these bloody morons do all summer? Yammering and lying. 
 Time to ditch  them all. 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone. 
 Dr Michael Benjamin. 
 Community  Psychiatrist. 
 
 On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:57, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk 
 wrote:
 
 Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1 game
 we will be 22nd.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
 To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
 Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the international
 break.
 
 Fucking referees.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of N If
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
 To: leedslist
 Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
 hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
 loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9
 
 Dr M
 
 How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
 Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
 Bugger:((
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Not the MS's fault ?
Was isn't obvious we need to buy some defenders?
Did we?
Whose fault is that?
Is Grayson another Wenger? Having money thrown at him but refusing to use
it?

As for the Stoat talking about foreplay -- is regularly buggering us up
counted?
Or is that merely an oversight as his senses one by one elude him?

With all this Global Warming lets hope that  his island home is visited by
the next Irene. Let the old bugger foreplay her.





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On 26 August 2011 20:25, Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I've got to give it to you mate your
 Malignant stoat mails are consistent and very funny.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 27 Aug 2011, at 17:16, Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  'After ten games you can see the league'.
  After half of them we see a malignant Stoat ripping us off. Grayson who
 thinks that you improve defending by getting sent off.
  Our defense was shit. What did we do exactly?
  Absolutely nothing. Sorry taught them to get sent off. What better way to
 improve defending set pieces? How many ficking badges did Grayson get for
 that stroke of genius?
  God almighty. The team I  am the Stoat of had a bad season. We sat down.
 Outlined our weaknesses and found solutions. No bloody talking and posing.
  What did these bloody morons do all summer? Yammering and lying.
  Time to ditch  them all.
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone.
  Dr Michael Benjamin.
  Community  Psychiatrist.
 
  On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:57, Mark Humphries 
 mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
  Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1
 game
  we will be 22nd.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk]
  Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
  To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
  Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich
 
  And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the
 international
  break.
 
  Fucking referees.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
 On
  Behalf Of N If
  Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
  To: leedslist
  Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
 
  sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning
 by a
  hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
  loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with
 9
 
  Dr M
 
  How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
  Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
  Bugger:((
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[tim . whelan]

Sickening watching. As you say, we totally dominated the first half and Ipswich 
looked woeful. As far as I could see of the sending off (from right up in the 
corner at the opposite end of the ground) the Ipswich player pushed White over 
and then fell over his body, so definately not a deliberate foul, but I'll have 
to see it again on the Football League show.
 
Straight away Grayson sent O'Brien on for Mc.Cormack, while O'Dowd went to left 
back and Keogh was left as the lone striker, so we lost the formation that has 
served us so well in the last couple of games. We tried to fall back on defence 
for the rest of the game, with inevitable results, though the second goal was a 
flukey deflection that sent the ball looping over Lonergan into the net. 
 
We still could have snatched something if we'd made better use of our 
breakaways towards the end. Gradel fell over in a vain attempt to win a 
penalty, and right at the death sent over an awful cross rather than pulling it 
back to an unmarked Nunez, which led to the two of them squaring up to each 
other just after the final whistle.
 
A very frustrating day all round.
 
Tim W.

--- On Sat, 27/8/11, N If mister@gmail.com wrote:


From: N If mister@gmail.com
Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 16:53


sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9

Dr M

How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?

Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.


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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Nicholas Armit]

Sounded to me like we were excellent until the sending off. Jewell admitted 
they were lucky to win. We were very good against West Ham and supposedly very 
good today until reduced to 10. While not a natural optimist myself it seems 
there are a lot of positives to take from this last week or so.



From: Dr. Michael Benjamin.  beden...@gmail.com
To: Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
Cc: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org; N If mister@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [LU]  Ipswich

'After ten games you can see the league'. 
After half of them we see a malignant Stoat ripping us off. Grayson who thinks 
that you improve defending by getting sent off. 
Our defense was shit. What did we do exactly? 
Absolutely nothing. Sorry taught them to get sent off. What better way to 
improve defending set pieces? How many ficking badges did Grayson get for that 
stroke of genius? 
God almighty. The team I  am the Stoat of had a bad season. We sat down. 
Outlined our weaknesses and found solutions. No bloody talking and posing. 
What did these bloody morons do all summer? Yammering and lying. 
Time to ditch  them all. 


Sent from my iPhone. 
Dr Michael Benjamin. 
Community  Psychiatrist. 

On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:57, Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk 
wrote:

 Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1 game
 we will be 22nd.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk] 
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
 To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
 Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the international
 break.
 
 Fucking referees.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
 Behalf Of N If
 Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
 To: leedslist
 Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
 
 sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by a
 hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
 loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with 9
 
 Dr M
 
 How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
 Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
 Bugger:((
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Jesus wept
Talk about half full.
We have played five games:
One  we didn't show up for
Two that we should have won but got players sent off
One where we missed a penalty and scored an og of farcical proportions.
That is 4 games out of five. And is pure lunacy. It is also symptomatic of
the complete farce that has overcome us since that malignant Stoat arrived.
I wont repeat the complete twaddle and bullshit we have been fed about all
things monetary.
Can anyone name a team that is a bigger farce than us?
Can anyone remember ever a Leeds team producing such pathetic excuses? 'We
could have -- but'. Since when did that cut it at Leeds?
We used to take pride in winning.
Since when was our club so shamelessly ripped off by a guy who thinks
himself above the law and yet is beneath all contempt?
'We are so proud'?
Of what exactly?



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On 27 August 2011 23:45, Nicholas Armit arm...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Sounded to me like we were excellent until the sending off. Jewell admitted
 they were lucky to win. We were very good against West Ham and supposedly
 very good today until reduced to 10. While not a natural optimist myself it
 seems there are a lot of positives to take from this last week or so.

 --
 *From:* Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com
 *To:* Mark Humphries mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk
 *Cc:* leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org; N If mister@gmail.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:16 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [LU]  Ipswich

 'After ten games you can see the league'.
 After half of them we see a malignant Stoat ripping us off. Grayson who
 thinks that you improve defending by getting sent off.
 Our defense was shit. What did we do exactly?
 Absolutely nothing. Sorry taught them to get sent off. What better way to
 improve defending set pieces? How many ficking badges did Grayson get for
 that stroke of genius?
 God almighty. The team I  am the Stoat of had a bad season. We sat down.
 Outlined our weaknesses and found solutions. No bloody talking and posing.
 What did these bloody morons do all summer? Yammering and lying.
 Time to ditch  them all.


 Sent from my iPhone.
 Dr Michael Benjamin.
 Community  Psychiatrist.

 On 27 Aug 2011, at 18:57, Mark Humphries 
 mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

  Oh, and Birmingham have 2 games in hand, and Watford 1, if both win 1
 game
  we will be 22nd.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark Humphries [mailto:mark.humphr...@blueyonder.co.uk]
  Sent: 27 August 2011 16:57
  To: 'N If'; 'leedslist'
  Subject: RE: [LU]  Ipswich
 
  And now instead of being 10th, we are now 20th going into the
 international
  break.
 
  Fucking referees.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org]
 On
  Behalf Of N If
  Sent: 27 August 2011 16:53
  To: leedslist
  Subject: [LU]  Ipswich
 
  sickening listening.  we were all over them and should've been winning by
 a
  hatful until the red card which led to the inevitable equaliser and late
  loser :(  Long since the days of brilliant rearguards eg vs chelsea with
 9
 
  Dr M
 
  How many red cards is that now ? Three in five games. What hapenned?
 
  Maybe as Ian said..we have issues with defending.
 
 
  Bugger:((
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

Absolutely - dont panic Mr Mannering. There's a good team there - just 
unlucky/stupid at the moment.

We absolutely dominated the first half, played some of the best pass and move 
football since the early days of the O'Dreary team and apart from some 
wastefulness from McCormack could have been more than one up.

Game was changed by some naivety by Aiden White who got outmuscled by someone a 
foot taller than him and red card was inevitable once linesman had given the 
foul.

We probably dropped off a bit too much - but even then Ipsh*t didnt look that 
much like scoring til a solo effort from Scotland. After the equaliser we again 
looked the better team and had 2 good chances, Gradel deciding to fallover 
rather than shoot and Keogh taking the wrong option with an overlap on.

The winner was a horrible deflected fluke.

This is nothing to do with Bates. It's about the 11 on the pitch and though i'm 
not convinced by the defence yet, the midfield 4 are top class.

We'll be top half, probably play-offs again

Matt

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Subject: Re: [LU]  Ipswich
To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org, N If mister@gmail.com
Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 21:42

Sickening watching. As you say, we totally dominated the first half and Ipswich 
looked woeful. As far as I could see of the sending off (from right up in the 
corner at the opposite end of the ground) the Ipswich player pushed White over 
and then fell over his body, so definately not a deliberate foul, but I'll have 
to see it again on the Football League show.
 
Straight away Grayson sent O'Brien on for Mc.Cormack, while O'Dowd went to left 
back and Keogh was left as the lone striker, so we lost the formation that has 
served us so well in the last couple of games. We tried to fall back on defence 
for the rest of the game, with inevitable results, though the second goal was a 
flukey deflection that sent the ball looping over Lonergan into the net. 
 
We still could have snatched something if we'd made better use of our 
breakaways towards the end. Gradel fell over in a vain attempt to win a 
penalty, and right at the death sent over an awful cross rather than pulling it 
back to an unmarked Nunez, which led to the two of them squaring up to each 
other just after the final whistle.
 
A very frustrating day all round.
 
Tim W.

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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[John Boocock IFA]

On 27/08/2011 22:30, MATTHEW GAYNOR wrote:

This is nothing to do with Bates


that's reassuring as it means they won't be upset when he finally 
buggers off (in whatever form)


Betty
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

I am not panicking
I am plain and simple furious.
I don't want a 'good team' that loses.
I want a winning PL team.
That takes managing  Bates cannot and will not ever provide that.
Wining has to be the only consideration for this to happen.
Look at Fergie as much as you'll hate to do it.
With the Stoat the important things are his very ugly rapacious ego and
greed. Nothing surpasses that. Not even winning.
Panic -- no way. We'll be a 'could be -- keep the native quiet' team to give
the Stoat his platform.
Never nothing else.


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On 28 August 2011 00:30, MATTHEW GAYNOR matthew.gayn...@btopenworld.comwrote:

 Absolutely - dont panic Mr Mannering. There's a good team there - just
 unlucky/stupid at the moment.

 We absolutely dominated the first half, played some of the best pass and
 move football since the early days of the O'Dreary team and apart from some
 wastefulness from McCormack could have been more than one up.

 Game was changed by some naivety by Aiden White who got outmuscled by
 someone a foot taller than him and red card was inevitable once linesman had
 given the foul.

 We probably dropped off a bit too much - but even then Ipsh*t didnt look
 that much like scoring til a solo effort from Scotland. After the equaliser
 we again looked the better team and had 2 good chances, Gradel deciding to
 fallover rather than shoot and Keogh taking the wrong option with an overlap
 on.

 The winner was a horrible deflected fluke.

 This is nothing to do with Bates. It's about the 11 on the pitch and though
 i'm not convinced by the defence yet, the midfield 4 are top class.

 We'll be top half, probably play-offs again

 Matt

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 From: tim.whe...@talk21.com tim.whe...@talk21.com
 Subject: Re: [LU]  Ipswich
 To: leedslist leedslist@gn.apc.org, N If mister@gmail.com
 Date: Saturday, 27 August, 2011, 21:42

 Sickening watching. As you say, we totally dominated the first half and
 Ipswich looked woeful. As far as I could see of the sending off (from right
 up in the corner at the opposite end of the ground) the Ipswich player
 pushed White over and then fell over his body, so definately not a
 deliberate foul, but I'll have to see it again on the Football League show.

 Straight away Grayson sent O'Brien on for Mc.Cormack, while O'Dowd went to
 left back and Keogh was left as the lone striker, so we lost the formation
 that has served us so well in the last couple of games. We tried to fall
 back on defence for the rest of the game, with inevitable results, though
 the second goal was a flukey deflection that sent the ball looping over
 Lonergan into the net.

 We still could have snatched something if we'd made better use of our
 breakaways towards the end. Gradel fell over in a vain attempt to win a
 penalty, and right at the death sent over an awful cross rather than pulling
 it back to an unmarked Nunez, which led to the two of them squaring up to
 each other just after the final whistle.

 A very frustrating day all round.

 Tim W.

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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Richard Walker]

I think his legs have gone and also Ian Harte was playing for us on Saturday :) 





From: Robert Heath rhe...@mis-munich.de
To: Richard Walker richleed...@yahoo.co.uk; barbaravi...@gmail.com; 
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Mon, 14 March, 2011 9:31:43
Subject: Re: [LU] Ipswich

Thanks for the illuminating report as usual.

Only good thing for me was that Dyer didn't score...I still 
remember 
him destroying us in a game at Elland Road against Newcastle when we had a 3-1 
lead but lost 4-3 (dropped points which ultimately cost us CL qualification and 
so in a way set in train the entire meltdown.)

  
Ipswich - never threatened us but they had good players - Bullard (He was 
pretty 

ineffective today but he's always lively and always there to get the ball - my 
sort of pkayer) , Kieron Dyer ...
 




  
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Andy Pyzer]

Thanks for report fella, couldn't get audio until last 20 mins, damned Middle 
East uprisings etc. maybe. At least other results went OK, hope Norwich and 
Cardiff screw it up tomorrow, at least Burnley did nothing. Could have done 
with those extra 2 points IMO but mustn't grumble.

Andy Pyzer


 
 Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:28:26 +
 From: richleed...@yahoo.co.uk
 To: barbaravi...@gmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: [LU] Ipswich
 
 I suppose we were due a goalless draw and a clean sheet is always welcome 
 these 
 days but it still doesn’t take away the fact that this was a poor game with 
 little goal mouth incident. I think we’re a bit stale at home, Grayson has 
 stumbled on this 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 depending on your view and now seems intent 
 on 
 sticking to it stubbornly. Why not ? The first time we abandoned it we got 
 thrashed at Swansea, however I think at home the system at times doesn’t 
 serve 
 us well.  
 
  
 Today, we just seemed to lack the ability to get behind the Ipswich defence 
 and 
 on the few occasions we did our final ball was shocking.  I think Ipswich 
 were 
 lively and for the first 15 minutes they looked the better side. In almost 
 the 
 first attack the ball was played over the top, Bromby was watching the clouds 
 and their man was through, he should have scored. It was very similar to 
 Donny. 
 Terrible defending. The defending didn’t improve much throughout the half, we 
 looked very , very shaky.  
  
  They’ve got some decent players who are lively, can pass and keep 
 possession. 
 This frustrated us and with our inability to pass a simple ball at times and 
 a 
 hapless ref who gave us very little we never really looked like winning the 
 game 
 despite lots of possession. 
 
  
 I think the main problems today were that Paynter was too isolated in the 
 system. Snodgrass had an off day and the lively Gradel was just asked to do 
 too 
 much. He looked like our only chance of winning today and he went close with 
 2 
 early long shots , one of which was saved well by their keeper. Howson wasn’t 
 sure whether he was in midfield or supporting Paynter and in the end actually 
 did neither well until he was subbed later on in the second half. 
 
  
 I think Johnson sat in front of the defence is fine when we’re under the cosh 
 but in a game like this I think it’s a bit of a luxury , like playing 3 
 central 
 defenders leaving Kilkenny with all the work to do in midfield. First half he 
 struggled but to his credit I thought he had a really good second half but 
 with 
 Becchio replacing Paynter it was like for like , Becchio playing with his 
 back 
 to goal and not really given any different options. It was crying out for 
 Somma 
 – he was stripped and ready to come on at 85 minutes but Grayson fannied 
 around 
 and probably realised that a point wasn’t a bad result because Ipswich 
 actually 
 pushed forward for the winner with Jason Scotland coming on and looking 
 dangerous. I think at this stage of the season we might as well go for it, 
 Grayson can be a bit steady sometimes. I think the Ipswich defence were 
 pretty 
 decent today. They were big lads and weren’t going to get ruffed up by 
 Paynter 
 direct approach and although Paynter won a lot in the air first half he never 
 had the support so was pretty ineffective. I think Somma would have given 
 them 
 something to think about and would have got beyond them. I’m still convinced 
 that Somma is our best attacking option even in Grayson’s 4-5-1. 
 
  
 What else is there to say ? Nothing , it was pretty painful to watch:
  
 Kasper – 7. Nowt to do really, one save first half and came and claimed the 
 ball 
 well throughout. 
 
  
 Eric – 8. Possible our best player today. Defended well and was our best 
 attacking option at times in the second half, combining well with Snodgrass 
 on 
 one attack to be through on goal. His cross let him down though. He could 
 have 
 scored himself. 
 
 McCartney – 7. I think Grayson has been working on his defence, telling him 
 to 
 get in their first and not back off. He did that ok today but didn’t get 
 forward 
 as much .
  
 O’Brien – 7. I thought he did well today. I’ve been a bit worried recently 
 but I 
 thought he was much improved today. He had to be with Bromby around in the 
 first 
 half. 
 
  
 Bromby – 5. Bambi on ice first half, all over the shop and can’t pass a ball 
 to 
 save his life. To his credit he improved second half and had a few good 
 moments. 
 Not sure he is the answer though. 
 
  
 Johnson – 7. Had a really good first half, just sat at the back, winning 
 headers 
 , collecting the ball and playing it off and also playing a couple of long 
 creative passes. As always  with Johnson you have to suffer the other side of 
 his game. The 5 yard pass that goes astray, the miscontrol of a simple ball 
 and 
 the over ambition shots. Still he did ok today. 
 
  
 Kilkenny – 7. I thought he struggled first half but was our most 

Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Richard Walker]

You've got to feel sorry for him. Such a nice man., 



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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Lee Jones]

20 months too long in a job IMO. Lets hope that's the last we see of him!

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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Mark Tuffey]

Good riddance to Keane...
Can't really see when and where he'll ever get another chance.
Cheers
Mark 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Nigel Barber]

He was Bremner in a red shirt. Had he played for us we would have worshipped
him.

Great enemies deserve respect too.


Nigel.


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 You've got to feel sorry for him. Such a nice man.,



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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Kneale, Andy]

How many people's football careers did Billy deliberately end ?

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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[Nigel Barber]

I didn't say he was a saint, just a great competitor. Lee Bowyer has a
similar nasty streak, but I bet you chanted his name. I know I did.


Nigel.



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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 monthsin charge.

[Errand Fivefold]

Excuse me, can we please stop using Billy and that filth keane in the same 
posts!

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I don't think Billy particularly cared what happened to Dave MacKay when he 
targeted his broken leg.

Andy K asked:-

How many people's football careers did Billy deliberately end ?


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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 monthsin charge.

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Right on. 
I hate the anti ManU songs. I just dislike Keane in his own right. 
Michael 

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 To: Kneale, Andy andy.kne...@jpmchase.com, Leeds List 
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 I don't think Billy particularly cared what happened to Dave MacKay when he 
 targeted his broken leg.
 
 Andy K asked:-
 
 How many people's football careers did Billy deliberately end ?
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich Town have sacked manager Roy Keane after 20 months in charge.

[DAVID NATTAN]

whilst I hate Keane with a vengeance , whose career did he end ?
If the comment below is a reference to Alfie - as I understand it , whilst the 
assault (cannot describe it as a tackle) was perhaps meant to end Alfies career 
he did in fact come back from it and then injured his other leg (knee?) in an 
early come back game, which is what finished him. 
I am glad to see Keane sacked though and have no respect etc for him or his 
methods / actions
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What, respect for deliberaly ending the career of a fellow professional for
a misheld grudge? Respect indeed. He is veemine. The worst example of a
professional I've ever seen.

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Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

Listening and hearing loud 

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On 4 Oct 2010, at 14:33, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
 point very well made! are you listening Israel???
 --- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check.
 Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is
 where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly
 less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the
 next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic
 hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and
 against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head.
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands

[John Lee]

point very well made! are you listening Israel???
--- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check.
Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is
where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly
less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the
next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic
hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and
against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head.




  
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Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands

[Richard Young]

Almost forgot: subs. Grayson did manage to change things up and in the way
most of us wanted - go for the win since we had nothing to lose at that
point. Becchio had been getting songs almost from the kick-off, so the
faithful were happy to see him on for a tiring and tactically nullified
Johnson. He did his schtick - which is no bad thing since it meant some of
our more speculative high balls carried more threat. Watt for Kilkenny was
the right call, too, although we'd been so slow getting up from midfield
that I doubted wingers would make much difference - their crossing options
would be limited.

In fact, of course, Watt was involved in Snoddy's goal - well worked, but
about our only really convincing and coherent passage of play. Nevertheless,
it shows why Grayson's the gaffer and I'm not.

Bruce's second bookable looked dubious from the stands (we were all
applauding the tackle, which was right in front of us), but Ipswich fans say
he's prone to diving in, and we're hardly the most unbiased group of
observers. So perhaps the replay shows different. (The Suffolk fuzz reacted
to a surge at the barriers in the lower stand after the ref got his cards
out by deploying 2005-vintage home video cameras and taking a group shot. It
was quite funny, like a rowdy wedding. If the Met want to cut their budgets,
perhaps they should buy some of those old Samsungs and forget all that
high-def DV technology they cart around... Mind you, it did lead to a very
rousing If you hate Leeds United Have a go...)

After that, it was do or die - and with Naylor getting worse by the minute
in the last quarter hour, it was a matter of time before we were overrun on
the break. Which we were. I still can't believe they didn't score when they
were 4-on-1 (seriously - and our one was Naylor huffing back from about 40
yards out) and we had our fourth-choice goalie between the posts.

To repeat - there was enough on display to suggest we won't be troubling the
bottom three. And with players back, top half remains a high probability.
Just don't expect it to be pretty.

RIchard
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Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands

[MATTHEW GAYNOR]

I didnt think it was that bad.

Both teams were just playing one upfront so it was never going to be a classic 
and we had a bit of a dogs breakfast of a team, with Howson playing right-wing, 
Bruce right-back and Somma upfront on his own.

First half we were pretty solid, Ipswich scored with their only real attack and 
though we didnt create much ourselves we didnt deserve to be behind.

Somma is undoubtedly a better player than Becchio, but i'm not sure he's that 
effective on his own upfront, he's a big lad but doesnt really use his side to 
hold the ball up that well or win much in the air - definitely prefers the ball 
into his feet. He was isolated though - Snoddy was playing in the 'hole' for 
most of the game but didnt get that close. A couple of times we worked good 
positions wide but had no-one to cross to.

Second half Ipswich created a couple more chances but never really put us under 
any sustained pressure. The subs made us more attacking and after we scored i 
thought we looked the more likely winners.

Unfortunately the sending off made a difference, Howson had to goto right-back 
but it was disappointing how quickly they scored (we're never that much better 
against 10 men) and that was a defensive mistake - free header. As you say they 
could have got another towards the end, messed up more than one men over 
breakaway.

Faye looks a bit overweight and cant pass the ball forward but may be a 
necessary evil in the short-term, while we try and get the defence organised 
again. Higgs' injury was surreal - he seemed to get injured picking the ball 
up. Could do with Kasper back soon.

Matt


--- On Sun, 3/10/10, Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Richard Young richard.yo...@gmail.com
Subject: [LU] Ipswich from the stands
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Date: Sunday, 3 October, 2010, 12:45

This was pretty poor stuff and although Grayson did try to ring some changes
after the Preston debacle, we now have several reasons to be concerned about
progress this season.

I'm going to pause there for a moment to indulge in a reality check.
Mid-table is where most of us expected to be this season and mid-table is
where we are. Players that were fine if inconsistent in Div3 are slightly
less effective and just as inconsistent in Div2. I've been as guilty as the
next fan of taking the bright points and magnifying them into unrealistic
hope, and that must stop. We're going to lose pkenty more this season, and
against much worse sides than Ipswich - so keep a level head.

However. It's concerning that we got so much of the basics wrong yesterday.
The back four continues to be a shambles. Collins and Naylor, as we know, is
a bad pairing, and pushing Bruce out to right-back now appears to have been
a mistake. Time and again the CBs were out of position, and they haven't got
the pace to cope with that when the opposition attacks. Bruce was at fault
for the goal, too, although I'm guessing he wasn't happy at full-back.
McCartney acquitted himself quite well - but I think Grayson is hamstrung
until we get Kisnorbo and Parker back.

Sitting in front of the defence (in theory) was our supposedly defensive
midfield Faye. He looks past it. He tried quite hard and did, to be fair,
make some decent tackles, especially early on. But he's clueless about
distribution and (as someone I chatted to in the crowd at half time pointed
out), we need a Batty - someone who can win possession them play the easy,
reliable ball to a flair player. Faye looks every inch the stop-gap. Worse,
however, was that he seemed poorly briefed. Surely we all know we need cover
for the CBs - but Faye kept getting sucked into what's an increasingly
congested and aimless central midfield unit. Manager has to think about
shape and discipline whenever we don't have the ball.

We also know our midfield is hot-and-cold, and yesterday was a cold one.
Howson was in and out of the game and lost possession a lot. Snoddy ran
hard, but looks off his fitness. Championship Manager would have him at 85%
fitness - playable, but you know he needs more time to come back. Kilkenny
worries me. He's a gabby so-and-so - which is good if he's motivating and
organising, but I think he spends too much time chiding and arguing. I saw
his in conversation with Snoddy in the warm-up and Snoddy didn't look too
engaged... Then at the re-start after Ipswich's 1st, he was wittering away
like a fish-wife. Johnson looked quite lively, but he needs service. I
watched the highlights DVD from last season this week, and he scored loads
for us - all from close range. These days it's all long-range shots and
limited options.

Somma was good up front initially. He works hard, and (RW will like this)
he's being a more like Becchio with skills - in that he's industrious. But
then he had to be, with Snoddy quite deep off him and labouring without an
out-and-out strike partner.

Here's the thing: it looked like Grayson wanted us not to embarrass
ourselves after Preston - and 

Re: [LU] Ipswich from the stands

[Robert Heath]

Hasn't Faye played at the back before now?

Larry has got 2 weeks now to try and cobble together a defence.

He is obviously without Paddy  presumably Parker, plus Bruce who will be 
suspended. Unless he can get a PL youngster in on loan (and I note that some 
Tottenham whizzkid CB with whom we had been linked - can't recall his name - 
went to Bristol City on loan last week), then he hasn't got many options. The 
only things he hasn't tried yet are Faye at CB or throwing in the apparently 
massively out-of-favour Bromby or even more o-o-f Crowe. McCartney was only 
here for a month, wasn't he, which must be nearly up unless we can extend it. 
And then there is Clayton...if we had a month on loan to look at 
him and then went ahead and signed him, Grayson must like something about him. 
Could he be a RB?

If it were me, I would decide on my best 6 (keeper - back 4 - holding MFer) and 
drill them into the ground in the hope of developing a bit of understanding and 
cohesion.
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Re: [LU] Ipswich

[Guy Thornton]

On 1 Oct 2010 at 23:34, Dr. Michael Benjamin. wrote:

 Got a feeling that we are in for a bad day indeed. 
 Michael 

  Just as well the day's almost over then :)

  guy
  (not getting m'coat as it's raining outside)
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Re: [LU] Ipswich Tickets

[Michael ALCOCK]

Tim,

Mine arrived yestereday so they've started sending them out.

Cheers

Mike

On 20 September 2010 22:22,  tim.whe...@talk21.com wrote:
 Has anyone got a ticket for this game yet? I applied within the first 10 
 minutes of that batch of away tickets going on sale, but so far I haven't 
 heard whether or not I've got one.

 As I've already committed myself to going down to East Anglia for that 
 weekend, it will be rather infuriating if I end up without a ticket for the 
 match. If I haven't got a ticket then I'll have to get the begging bowl out 
 for a spare.

 Tim W.



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