Re: [LegacyUG] Obvious Duplicates

[Chris Hill]

Use Tools / Merge Duplicates / Merge with the first one selected, it 
will be the left hand. Then use Select Right to get the other one.


Check all of the data and then use Merge Right Individual into Left 
Individual.


Regards

Chris


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From singoutdro...@gmail.com

To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 06/04/2023 14:31:25
Subject Re: [LegacyUG] Obvious Duplicates

I have identified obvious duplicates but when I run “duplicates” in the 
Search they are not identified.  How do I merge them.  The have the 
dates, names, spouses all match.  I would prefer to merge than delete.


Dolores
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Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

[Chris Hill]

Hi

I rather suspect that you have moved to a new PC with Win 11 installed, 
perhaps to Win 10, and fallen into the TRAP that Microsoft have given us 
(if you let it). This is one which I will NEVER do.


They had the idea that they would provide you will a small, maybe 200MB, 
of off-site disk space and have placed all or part of 
C:\Users\\Documents to map to that area. That would be a good idea 
since you can share those files with other users, under your control, or 
across your own PCs, but actually most users would not need to do that. 
The only benefit is that you can access those off-site files from a web 
browser while away from home.


The other half of the issue is that many users will have a lot of files 
which Microsoft, or Google and the other offerings, would want to move 
to the off-site basis. My media takes 4GB for 4100 files, but my photo 
collection needs 400GB for 45,000 files. So we need to make sure that we 
can control which files go off-site and which must stay locally.


Now this will be based on what I am seeing on my Win 10 system, which 
has been growing from Win XP and earlier. On that they have created a 
E:\Users\Chris\OneDrive folder (note that I relocated my Users folder to 
a second disk) with some folders, including a Documents folder. Now I 
don't use that and my genealogy files are actually in 
E:\Users\Chris\Documents\Chris\Genealogy\Hill and related 
families\Family Tree. The double layered Chris folder is one issue that 
occurred when I merged two PCs and which I need to resolve.


My guess is that your C:\Users\\Documents is actually a reference to 
the one within the OneDrive structure, but you will need to identify 
that this is true. It would also be worth doing searches on Google and 
the Microsoft web pages on how to manage a OneDrive solution.


What I would do is to create a C:\Users\\Genealogy folder, which 
should be outside of OneDrive, and then relocate your database and files 
there. Before you do this I would take a Legacy backup, for both data 
and media, and save it away from OneDrive.


If you have taken the default Legacy structure for files they should be 
in C:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree, and therefore within the 
OneDrive structure. One of my rules is to never work with default folder 
structures - my data and under my control. You need to locate all of the 
files related to your tree, which all begin with the same prefix, so 
mine are all Hill*.*, and copy those to the new folder. I would then 
copy the Media folder, or where your media files are, into the new 
folder. Then I would use Legacy Customise 6.1 and 6.2 to point to the 
newly copied folders. Unfortunately, you cannot relocate the Legacy 
files away from ...\Documents\Legacy Family Tree and under there you 
will find the settings that 6.1 and 6.2 maintain. Alternatively, you 
could get Legacy to restore from the backup file and locate them into 
the new folder.


Hopefully, that will resolve your issues and you can finally remove the 
old files within the OneDrive structure.


Hope this helps.

Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --

From "Dave Johnson" 

To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 16/12/2022 15:49:45
Subject Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

All of my files are in OneDrive.  How would you suggest I store them 
locally?


Dave

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 3:00 AM Chris Hill 
 wrote:
I know that there are issues with OneDrive, and potentially with any 
off-site storage.


The question is whether OneDrive wants, or can, maintain a duplicate 
set of files across its own system and on your PC, or if it will keep 
them remotely and just download those which you need to access 
locally. Running that with 24K files may cause networking and 
performance issues.


Personalty I would never use an off-site solution for a lot of files 
and insist that they are stored locally, with the option to make 
off-site backup copies.


Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --
From "Dave Johnson" 
To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 15/12/2022 20:40:30
Subject Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

Thank you for your reply.  Unfortunately Legacy knows where all my 
files are.  They are stored in OneDrive.  Customize/Locations have 
been set correctly..  But the problem persists.


Dave

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:12 AM Chris Hill 
 wrote:
The FIRST rule on Legacy images is to ensure that they are located 
in the Media folder, or its sub-folders, as specified in Options / 
Customise / 6.2.


The SECOND rule is to never rename or relocate them, since all that 
Legacy remembers are the folder and the file name.


The THIRD rule is to have a standardised structure for file and 
folder names.


From Customise / 6, use the View Current List of Media Folders. In 
an ideal situation it will list one or folders with the structure 
[Default Media Folder], followed by its sub-folders if necessary. 
The [Defaul

Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

[Chris Hill]

I know that there are issues with OneDrive, and potentially with any 
off-site storage.


The question is whether OneDrive wants, or can, maintain a duplicate set 
of files across its own system and on your PC, or if it will keep them 
remotely and just download those which you need to access locally. 
Running that with 24K files may cause networking and performance issues.


Personalty I would never use an off-site solution for a lot of files and 
insist that they are stored locally, with the option to make off-site 
backup copies.


Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --

From "Dave Johnson" 

To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 15/12/2022 20:40:30
Subject Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

Thank you for your reply.  Unfortunately Legacy knows where all my 
files are.  They are stored in OneDrive.  Customize/Locations have been 
set correctly..  But the problem persists.


Dave

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 11:12 AM Chris Hill 
 wrote:
The FIRST rule on Legacy images is to ensure that they are located in 
the Media folder, or its sub-folders, as specified in Options / 
Customise / 6.2.


The SECOND rule is to never rename or relocate them, since all that 
Legacy remembers are the folder and the file name.


The THIRD rule is to have a standardised structure for file and folder 
names.


From Customise / 6, use the View Current List of Media Folders. In an 
ideal situation it will list one or folders with the structure 
[Default Media Folder], followed by its sub-folders if necessary. The 
[Default Media Folder] is that specified in 6.2. Against each entry in 
that list, you have a number of Options.


1. Show List will show you a list of the individuals connected to that 
folder.
2. Add will allow you to add a new folder and Change will allow you to 
change it. Personally, I would not change it but use the next option 
to restructure it.
3. At the bottom, there is an option to combine one entry into 
another. Using that, Legacy will work through the entries in the 
folder and change the entries in the individual to point to the new 
folder. What it will not do is to physically relocate the files, which 
would be nice.
4. The Test All Media Folders will scan through the system and 
identify files that it cannot locate, listing the expected file.


That leaves you with the question of relocating the files. From Tools 
/ Media Relinker you can get Legacy to scan through for PC and try to 
locate the missing files, assuming that you have not renamed them. 
Once scanned, they will show you, one at a time, each matched file 
showing where it is and where it should be. You have the option to 
link to the matched file, and possibly for other files in the same 
folder, or to skip it. Again, the files do not get relocated and only 
the link is modified, and it would be nice if Legacy could relocate 
them.


If you have a missing file and double click on it you will get the 
Find File option. That will give you the option of running the Media 
Relinker, or get Legacy to search for the file or, and often better, 
of doing the search manually on the basis that you probably know where 
the file is. Once found, you can quickly link to it.


Personally, I would not run the Media Relinker on the basis that from 
the Test All Media Folders report I can quickly identify that I have 
either just renamed a file or that I have a folder which I can quickly 
use Windows Explorer to put in the correct location. Also, with my PC 
it can take a long time to scan and I generally know where my media 
are or should be. It would be useful to limit the Relink My Media to 
start at a folder and not at the top of the drive.


With renamed files you have the issue of resetting them to match what 
is set in Legacy. If it is correctly linked in Legacy, then the 
Picture Centre will allow you to rename it, but it does not work the 
other way round.


It would be nice if Legacy gave you better tools to manipulate the 
links and files. In my case, I used Access to modify the Legacy 
datebase and Explorer to relocate the folders and files.


Hopefully, all that you need to do is locate the correct folders and 
relocate them to the correct positions, and ensure that they are 
correctly linked within Legacy.


Really, it comes down to getting the structure correct at the 
beginning.


Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --
From "Dave Johnson" 
To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 15/12/2022 15:39:20
Subject [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

Somehow my Legacy is all screwed up.  I can run a clean Compact 
Family File and a Check/Repair with no problems.  But I lost many of 
my census images because of stupidity on my part.  When I run a Test 
All Media Files. I get a list of
26870 lost census images.  So I begin getting new copies of the 
census images and attach them to the correct individual.  Lo and 
behold!  When I run a Media Linker or a Test All Media Files, 

Re: [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

[Chris Hill]

The FIRST rule on Legacy images is to ensure that they are located in 
the Media folder, or its sub-folders, as specified in Options / 
Customise / 6.2.


The SECOND rule is to never rename or relocate them, since all that 
Legacy remembers are the folder and the file name.


The THIRD rule is to have a standardised structure for file and folder 
names.


From Customise / 6, use the View Current List of Media Folders. In an 
ideal situation it will list one or folders with the structure [Default 
Media Folder], followed by its sub-folders if necessary. The [Default 
Media Folder] is that specified in 6.2. Against each entry in that list, 
you have a number of Options.


1. Show List will show you a list of the individuals connected to that 
folder.
2. Add will allow you to add a new folder and Change will allow you to 
change it. Personally, I would not change it but use the next option to 
restructure it.
3. At the bottom, there is an option to combine one entry into another. 
Using that, Legacy will work through the entries in the folder and 
change the entries in the individual to point to the new folder. What it 
will not do is to physically relocate the files, which would be nice.
4. The Test All Media Folders will scan through the system and identify 
files that it cannot locate, listing the expected file.


That leaves you with the question of relocating the files. From Tools / 
Media Relinker you can get Legacy to scan through for PC and try to 
locate the missing files, assuming that you have not renamed them. Once 
scanned, they will show you, one at a time, each matched file showing 
where it is and where it should be. You have the option to link to the 
matched file, and possibly for other files in the same folder, or to 
skip it. Again, the files do not get relocated and only the link is 
modified, and it would be nice if Legacy could relocate them.


If you have a missing file and double click on it you will get the Find 
File option. That will give you the option of running the Media 
Relinker, or get Legacy to search for the file or, and often better, of 
doing the search manually on the basis that you probably know where the 
file is. Once found, you can quickly link to it.


Personally, I would not run the Media Relinker on the basis that from 
the Test All Media Folders report I can quickly identify that I have 
either just renamed a file or that I have a folder which I can quickly 
use Windows Explorer to put in the correct location. Also, with my PC it 
can take a long time to scan and I generally know where my media are or 
should be. It would be useful to limit the Relink My Media to start at a 
folder and not at the top of the drive.


With renamed files you have the issue of resetting them to match what is 
set in Legacy. If it is correctly linked in Legacy, then the Picture 
Centre will allow you to rename it, but it does not work the other way 
round.


It would be nice if Legacy gave you better tools to manipulate the links 
and files. In my case, I used Access to modify the Legacy datebase and 
Explorer to relocate the folders and files.


Hopefully, all that you need to do is locate the correct folders and 
relocate them to the correct positions, and ensure that they are 
correctly linked within Legacy.


Really, it comes down to getting the structure correct at the beginning.

Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --

From "Dave Johnson" 

To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 15/12/2022 15:39:20
Subject [LegacyUG] Serious problem with Legacy 9.0.0.414

Somehow my Legacy is all screwed up.  I can run a clean Compact Family 
File and a Check/Repair with no problems.  But I lost many of my census 
images because of stupidity on my part.  When I run a Test All Media 
Files. I get a list of
26870 lost census images.  So I begin getting new copies of the census 
images and attach them to the correct individual.  Lo and behold!  When 
I run a Media Linker or a Test All Media Files, the corrected 
individuals still show up as missing their media links.  I can go into 
the individual sources and verify that the census images are correct.  
They are correct.  So somehow Legacy cannot find them.


Any suggestions?
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Error window wont close

[Chris Hill]

Firstly, Legacy always saves information every time you close a display 
for people, marriages, events etc. So, normally there should not be any 
issues with force closing the program or PC, which is all that you can 
do. When closing the PC, use Restart, not Shutdown, since that will 
ensure that every thing is completely closed.


Secondly, after the restart load your Legacy file, take a backup and 
then run Check/Repair to get the program to scan through the various 
links between the data. Save the report file and use that to identify 
problems that it had found. You might need to run that multiple times as 
you make changes.


Thirdly, if your file does not load and you are left with no open file, 
you can force a Check/Repair and specify the file to be scanned.


If that does not work, then you can restore from a previous backup, and 
change the file name.


If you still have issues, then you will need to raise it as an issue 
with the developers.


Regards

Chris


-- Original Message --

From "Jack Reynolds" 

To "Legacy user group" 
Date 16/09/2022 18:41:06
Subject [LegacyUG] Error window wont close


I hope this message gets to the right spot.
My Legacy program is frozen. Here is the situation:
one sibling in the family died less than 2 years old. The Legacy 
program shows her married. I checked everything in the Marriage record 
and nothing shows a marriage.
I tried to cancel the Marriage record for the child and a window opened 
up stating

ERROR
Marriage was not found.

Clicking on the OK box just makes it flash and nothing else.
A red circle X when clicked does nothing.

The X in the upper right cornor of the screen to close that page is 
grayed out so nothing closed.


The rest of my laptop PC is fine. I put the PC on sleep and then opened 
it again but nothing changed.
I didn't want to shut the PC down and reopen because I don't know what 
that will do to my Legacy records, etc.


Your help is very much needed

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Re: [LegacyUG] Name Question

[Chris Hill]

Personally, I just leave then blank and only use Unknown for an unknown 
parent where the other one is known, while Legacy sets as a default.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --

From "Fran Markle" 

To "Legacy User Group" 
Date 14/06/2022 15:58:01
Subject [LegacyUG] Name Question

What do people use when they don't know the first name or the last 
name? I want to be consistent, not sure if I should use Uknown, Ukn, 
UkFn, etc. Curious to hear what others use, thanks, Fran-- 

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Re: [LegacyUG] Splitting A Tree

[Chris Hill]

I can think of a couple of ways, but do it on a copy of your tree rather
than the master.

1. Tag all of your wife's ancestors, and her. But you then need to find and
add all of the spouses, siblings, parents etc. Then you can export the
tagged records.

2. Preferably, I would remove your marriage and leave your children with
only one of you. You should then find that you have two trees within the
file. If it is still one then you have a link between both sets of
ancestors which you need to resolve. Once you get it to trees then you can
export one of them, or just remove one and keep the other.

Personally, and especially within a single family tree, I would never split
it. It is better to just have one tree with the same set of locations etc,
and it resolves issues with crosslinks further up.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 5 Jun 2022, 21:49 Rick and Evvy White,  wrote:

> Is there a way to split a family tree?  For example, my current tree has
> my ancestors on one branch and my wife’s ancestors on another branch.  Is
> there a way to copy my wife’s branch only into a separate data file?
>
>
>
> I have looked in the help file but don’t seem to find a way to do this but
> maybe I’m not asking the right question.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Rick
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Double MRIN Numbers

[Chris Hill]

If there are two MRINs then it would imply that there are two separate
marriages between them. You need to look at them and decide which is
correct.

However, firstly I would run a Check and Compress on your database, after a
Backup. That might then remove one of the marriages as an error and report
it.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sat, 28 May 2022, 18:53 Cindy Custer,  wrote:

>
>
> Somehow I have two different MRIN numbers for the same couple (same two
> RIN numbers). I have different info in each MRIN.
>
> How can I delete the incorrect MRIN without affecting the RIN entries?
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Re: [LegacyUG] protection for Legacy program in PC

[Chris Hill]

Yes, it does suggest that they wiped the existing partition and 
reinstalled Windows from fresh. The normal Windows recovery for Win 10 
does include the option of retaining all of your own data and just 
leaving you with the option to reinstall your programs.


As a standard I create my files onto a separate hard drive away from the 
Windows install drive and rerouted the /Users/me folder to it. And 
always make backups to an external USB device; I would not use OneDrive 
etc except as a means of transferring files elsewhere.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Kevin Ferguson" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 02/04/2022 17:04:42
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] protection for Legacy program in PC


Hello Jack,

Sadly, there is no way to protect against these things other than the 
actions you have already taken...backups. The only other advice I can 
give is to have a directory with all your "setup" files in it. I have 
one named "Installed PC Software" which gets backed up to external 
storage every week. Iy has Legacy 9.0 setup file in it along with all 
the other software I have installed in it.


I suspect that when they re-installed Windoze they did so by 
overwriting the existing partition so your data was lost. I have to say 
that I haven't had any BSOD with Windoze 10, but that doesn't help you.


I can't stress enough to people how to follow the 3, 2, 1 backup 
strategy...3 backups, 2 different device type, 1 off site (could be a 
web site ie OneDrive etc). Personally, I run several websites so I have 
unlimited webspace that I back my system up too.


Sorry for your issues.

Best regard

Kevin

www.abbydalesystems.com



Numbers 6:24-26


From: LegacyUserGroup  on 
behalf of Jack Reynolds 

Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2022 10:21 AM
To: Legacy user group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] protection for Legacy program in PC

I'll ask my  question first and then give you the circumstances under 
which my problem happened.
Question: Is there any way to protect the Legacy Program on my PC when 
Windows Support has to uninstall/reinstall my windows 10 because of a 
blue screen crash?


My new laptop PC is 2 months old and I have had 6 blue Screen crashes. 
The manufacturer, Geek squad and Windows Support have all tested the 
PC. Windows Support as part of their process uninstalled and 
reinstalled Windows 10. This left my Legacy 9 with all updates in very 
bad condition. My Deluxe version was gone and the standard version 
didn't show any family files left in it. I restored deluxe through my 
Customer number and was able to restore my family files. The process 
also deleted Legacy Family Tree backups. I have always had backups. 
OneDrive cloud storage and backups on plug in drives. It wasn't an easy 
talk finding everything but I did manage to restore files, etc.


I plan to go back to the manufacturer and get a refund on the return of 
the PC. I would like to know what can be done to protect Legacy program 
and its files if I ever have to have this done again.


Any ideas concerning this would be appreciated.

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Re: [LegacyUG] This info has finished up in my notes.

[Chris Hill]

They seem to relate to media files included in the original genealogy
program that created the GEDCOM, but do not seem to include the file name.

Remember that the original standard that FamilySearch was designed some 30
years ago and never included some of the more modern ideas that we now
have, like media, shared events etc. As a result, all of the programs have
built their own extensions to deal with them. That includes Legacy which
does add its own records that other programs may not understand.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, 03:06 ,  wrote:

> Thanks for that BUT what are these records and are they important ?
>
>
>
> Cheers from Valerie Garton nee Vaughan in sunny Sydney
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Hill
> *Sent:* Friday, 18 February 2022 10:21 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] This info has finished up in my notes.
>
>
>
> One of the options when you import a GEDCOM file is for Legacy to save
> data records that it cannot import into normal Legacy fields and instead
> place them into a Notes record on the person. These are all records that
> Legacy does not know how to process.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> From my Motorola G6+
>
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 23:06 ,  wrote:
>
> OBJE: _MTYPE document
>
> OBJE: _STYPE jpeg
>
> OBJE: _SIZE 1173634
>
> OBJE: _WDTH 2902
>
> OBJE: _HGHT 2047
>
> OBJE: RIN 09c9183b-8bd0-458a-8cf4-4a20d1289459
>
> OBJE: _META 
>
> OBJE: _CREA 2022-02-03 07:31:26.000
>
> OBJE: _ORIG u
>
> OBJE: _MSER
>
> _LKID 09c9183b-8bd0-458a-8cf4-4a20d1289459
>
>
>
> Why is it there and do I need to do any thing about this please ?
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers from Valerie Garton nee Vaughan in sunny Sydney
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] This info has finished up in my notes.

[Chris Hill]

One of the options when you import a GEDCOM file is for Legacy to save data
records that it cannot import into normal Legacy fields and instead place
them into a Notes record on the person. These are all records that Legacy
does not know how to process.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 23:06 ,  wrote:

> OBJE: _MTYPE document
>
> OBJE: _STYPE jpeg
>
> OBJE: _SIZE 1173634
>
> OBJE: _WDTH 2902
>
> OBJE: _HGHT 2047
>
> OBJE: RIN 09c9183b-8bd0-458a-8cf4-4a20d1289459
>
> OBJE: _META 
>
> OBJE: _CREA 2022-02-03 07:31:26.000
>
> OBJE: _ORIG u
>
> OBJE: _MSER
>
> _LKID 09c9183b-8bd0-458a-8cf4-4a20d1289459
>
>
>
> Why is it there and do I need to do any thing about this please ?
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Alternate Parents

[Chris Hill]

Very simple. From the individual details there are a couple of ways. The
easiest is to use the small icon of two older people on the left end of
them below the details. Those are the parents, and will allow you to add a
new set of parents or remove the current ones. Alternatively, from a right
click on the person you should find an entry to add to new parents. Very
useful when dealing with adoptions.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022, 22:44 Cindy Custer,  wrote:

> Is there a way to record alternate parents?
>
>
>
> I can track and document my ancestors back to the early 1700’s when a son
> emigrated with his parents
>
> to the Philadelphia area. However, because of varied spelling etc. I have
> two equally supportable candidates
>
> for the father who actually brought his family over from Germany. Since
> wives and children were not listed in
>
> the early federal census records, I cannot be absolutely sure which
> candidate is the “real” one and would like
>
> to document both candidates in Legacy – but don’t know how to go about it.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

[Chris Hill]

The issues with Hints is not down to Legacy. It is limited by the speed
that the websites will response to the requests that it receives and the
limitations that they have put on Legacy, plus if they change their
interface then Legacy has to update the system. That has been the recent
issues with FS.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022, 19:27 Robin McCarthy,  wrote:

> I too have become disenchanted with Legacy Family Tree. One of the main
> reasons I switched to it was to get hints from MyHeritage. I keep seeing
> lots of complaints about the hinting mechanism not working or being down.
>
> I was also impressed with all of Legacy's features that aren't in the
> other programs. However, I don't utilize Legacy to its full capabilities.
> It's a bit complicated to remember all the bells and whistles for the
> casual user.
>
> Now that RootsMagic 8 has been released and gives hints from the three
> major sites (Ancestry, FamilySearch, and MyHeritage) I am going to switch
> to it. I hear Legacy 10 is under development but there has been no official
> announcement. It will likely be more than a year before it is available. I
> will give Legacy another look when version 10 is released.
>
> Robin
>
>  Original message 
> From: Larry Lachance 
> Date: 1/28/22 7:52 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports
>
> I am going to chime in here!  I have my own website with a page devoted to
> recommending Legacy Family Tree based on the commendable merits of the
> software.  After waiting for so long for this “bug” to be fixed, as well as
> other issues, I too must consider a change.  Seems like since MyHeritage
> took over, they don’t care as much as before.  It’s too bad because the
> company risks losing more consumers as time passes.  I am hoping that
> MyHeritage is not following in the footsteps of Ancestry and Family Tree
> Maker where the ultimate goal was to bring everybody’s database “online”.
> Many simply don’t want to do that.
>
>
>
> Agree with P Hays – unhappy is putting it mildly!
>
>
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *P Hays
> *Sent:* Friday, January 28, 2022 9:51 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports
>
>
>
> I agree. I am having the same problem and unhappy is putting it mildly.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:44 PM Juergen Amling 
> wrote:
>
> I know this was mentioned before. If I remember right, in the last update
> to Version 9 (*9.0.0.393) *which came in August 2021, there was a bug
> introduced that prevented several reports (for sure the descendant report)
> to add parents to spouses and children. I believe we waited patiently
> enough for the error to be corrected. It's now almost a half a year that we
> have to live with it, and it's time to fix it.  If Legacy has no intention
> of fixing errors anymore to Version 9, please have the decency to let us
> know, so that we can look around and see if other programs are more
> suitable to our needs. I for my  part might just have to do that, although
> I really don't want to do that. And if I could get the version before this
> bug was introduced, I would use it, but unfortunately I updated all my
> computers to release *9.0.0.393. * I want to print a new edition of my
> book, and surely can't now all of a sudden print one without the parents of
> the spouses and children. I'm really disappointed.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

[Chris Hill]

Generally so am I, but it could be better.

Unfortunately, to do that will require a total rebuild, given that the 
Legacy application is still written in VB 6. The Charts program seems to 
be written in Borland (now Embarcadero) Delphi and the Hints program is 
.NET based.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Juergen Amling" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 28/01/2022 17:18:04
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

Generally I’m really satisfied with Legacy, even the little antiquated 
interface doesn’t bother me. And it has a lot of functions and report 
options that other programs don’t have. So really don’t understand why 
this bug wasn’t fixed. I just don’t believe it needs a lot of rewrite 
to put a function that was there for quite some time.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 28, 2022, at 10:18, Chris Hill  
wrote:



The problem is that Legacy needs a total rebuild, which I had hoped 
that MH would provide the funding.


I have looked at both the MH Family Tree Builder and at Roots magic. 
Both have a more modern design and are functional across multiple 
operating systems. But they do not seem to have the same functionality 
as Legacy.


What I would be looking for, and have for many years, are

1.Unicode support, not at issue for me but it is for many 
users.

2.Support for Mac and Linux, again not an issue for me.
3.Ability to extract information from and put into genealogy 
website like Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage (probably in version 10) 
etc with user control on what is moved.
4.To automatically generate source records when importing 
information from a web site, like a census or BMD source.

5.A more modern design based on the latest GUI interfaces.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Larry Lachance" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 28/01/2022 15:52:50
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

I am going to chime in here!  I have my own website with a page 
devoted to recommending Legacy Family Tree based on the commendable 
merits of the software.  After waiting for so long for this “bug” to 
be fixed, as well as other issues, I too must consider a change.  
Seems like since MyHeritage took over, they don’t care as much as 
before.  It’s too bad because the company risks losing more consumers 
as time passes.  I am hoping that MyHeritage is not following in the 
footsteps of Ancestry and Family Tree Maker where the ultimate goal 
was to bring everybody’s database “online”.  Many simply don’t want 
to do that.




Agree with P Hays – unhappy is putting it mildly!



Larry



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of P Hays

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 9:51 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports



I agree. I am having the same problem and unhappy is putting it 
mildly.




On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:44 PM Juergen Amling  
wrote:


I know this was mentioned before. If I remember right, in the last 
update to Version 9 (9.0.0.393) which came in August 2021, there was 
a bug introduced that prevented several reports (for sure the 
descendant report) to add parents to spouses and children. I believe 
we waited patiently enough for the error to be corrected. It's now 
almost a half a year that we have to live with it, and it's time to 
fix it.  If Legacy has no intention of fixing errors anymore to 
Version 9, please have the decency to let us know, so that we can 
look around and see if other programs are more suitable to our 
needs. I for my  part might just have to do that, although I really 
don't want to do that. And if I could get the version before this 
bug was introduced, I would use it, but unfortunately I updated all 
my computers to release 9.0.0.393.  I want to print a new edition of 
my book, and surely can't now all of a sudden print one without the 
parents of the spouses and children. I'm really disappointed.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

[Chris Hill]

The problem is that Legacy needs a total rebuild, which I had hoped that 
MH would provide the funding.


I have looked at both the MH Family Tree Builder and at Roots magic. 
Both have a more modern design and are functional across multiple 
operating systems. But they do not seem to have the same functionality 
as Legacy.


What I would be looking for, and have for many years, are

1.Unicode support, not at issue for me but it is for many users.
2.Support for Mac and Linux, again not an issue for me.
3.Ability to extract information from and put into genealogy 
website like Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage (probably in version 10) 
etc with user control on what is moved.
4.To automatically generate source records when importing 
information from a web site, like a census or BMD source.

5.A more modern design based on the latest GUI interfaces.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Larry Lachance" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 28/01/2022 15:52:50
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports

I am going to chime in here!  I have my own website with a page devoted 
to recommending Legacy Family Tree based on the commendable merits of 
the software.  After waiting for so long for this “bug” to be fixed, as 
well as other issues, I too must consider a change.  Seems like since 
MyHeritage took over, they don’t care as much as before.  It’s too bad 
because the company risks losing more consumers as time passes.  I am 
hoping that MyHeritage is not following in the footsteps of Ancestry 
and Family Tree Maker where the ultimate goal was to bring everybody’s 
database “online”.  Many simply don’t want to do that.




Agree with P Hays – unhappy is putting it mildly!



Larry



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of P Hays

Sent: Friday, January 28, 2022 9:51 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Parents of Spouses and children in reports



I agree. I am having the same problem and unhappy is putting it mildly.



On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:44 PM Juergen Amling  
wrote:


I know this was mentioned before. If I remember right, in the last 
update to Version 9 (9.0.0.393) which came in August 2021, there was a 
bug introduced that prevented several reports (for sure the descendant 
report) to add parents to spouses and children. I believe we waited 
patiently enough for the error to be corrected. It's now almost a half 
a year that we have to live with it, and it's time to fix it.  If 
Legacy has no intention of fixing errors anymore to Version 9, please 
have the decency to let us know, so that we can look around and see if 
other programs are more suitable to our needs. I for my  part might 
just have to do that, although I really don't want to do that. And if 
I could get the version before this bug was introduced, I would use 
it, but unfortunately I updated all my computers to release 9.0.0.393. 
 I want to print a new edition of my book, and surely can't now all of 
a sudden print one without the parents of the spouses and children. 
I'm really disappointed.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 10?

[Chris Hill]

Interesting that their website says "Roots Magic can directly import data
from PAF, Legacy, TNG or Family Origins. It also imports GEDCOM files
.". That would imply that it can access the Legacy database and should
be able to copy the media links.

BUT, their support site says that you need to generate a GEDCOM from Legacy
and import that.

So, which one is correct?

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022, 17:09 Mary Fowler Leek,  wrote:

> If RootsMagic is installed on the same computer and your images linked in
> Legacy remain where they are, there will be links included in your GEDCOM
> file used to move your Legacy data. Once imported into RootsMagic, this
> program will find the images, based on the links. If you then, at some
> point, move or rename these linked images, you will encounter the same
> situation as you would in Legacy. RootsMagic, like Legacy, only links to
> the images.
>
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 10:52 AM Gloria DeSousa 
> wrote:
>
>> I know this is off topic, but when you migrate from Legacy to Roots
>> Magic, is there a way to transfer everything, meaning what's in the Media
>> Gallery? The only way I know how to transfer to another platform like Roots
>> Magic is a gedcom and from what I understand, media does not get included.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>> <#m_-8120195825173110022_m_-1948265547446524281_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 8:31 AM Mary Ann Latko Groetsema <
>> malgroets...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that is the platform I'll be using.  RM8 seems to be a
>>> significant improvement over RM7.  Its global search and replace feature
>>> will allow me to easily correct the spelling errors caused by the lack of
>>> unicode support in Legacy.
>>>
>>> Mary Ann Latko Groetsema
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 7:51 AM C.G. Ouimet 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 RootsMagic perhaps?



 C.G. Ouimet

 Kingston ON



 *From: *Mary Ann Latko Groetsema 
 *Sent: *January 24, 2022 07:40
 *To: *Legacy User Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 10?



 Just to close the loop on my question regarding unicode and Legacy, I
 received this response from Legacy Customer Support...



 *We have not been told the full features of Legacy 10 and you are
 correct; nothing is set in stone.  That being said, I am pretty confident
 that full Unicode support will not be in Legacy 10.  Full Unicode support
 would require a complete rewrite of Legacy using a different coding base.
 I have not been told of any plans for a full rewrite in Legacy 10.*



 So it looks like I need to migrate my tree to another platform...



 Mary Ann Latko Groetsema



 On Fri, Jan 21, 2022 at 9:19 AM John Cardinal 
 wrote:

 Legacy users,

 I have a question about Legacy and GEDCOM exports.

 It appears that the most recent version of Legacy 9 is 9.0.0.*393*. I
 am using Legacy 9.0.0.*339* so I plan to upgrade to get to the latest
 version.



 When I export a GEDCOM file, I see these records at the top that
 indicate the file was written by Legacy 9:



 0 HEAD

 1 SOUR Legacy

 *2 VERS 9.0*



 That seems correct.



 However, another Legacy user sent me a GEDCOM file with this version
 information:



 0 HEAD

 1 SOUR Legacy

 *2 VERS 10.0*



 *Is there a Legacy 10?* I looked on the LegacyFamilyTree.com site and
 I don't see any mention of it.



 John Cardinal

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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 10?

[Chris Hill]

That is the issue with not having Unicode support, which is also because
the system is based on a 25 year old programming software.

They really need to move from VB6 to a more modern version, but even M/S
admit that they cannot just convert straight to VB.NET without having to
develop the code.

That said, there are implementations of VB6 working with Unicode, so they
should be able to resolve the issue.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sat, 22 Jan 2022, 23:37 Mary Ann Latko Groetsema, 
wrote:

> Yes, I regularly use the Polish keyboard.  But any characters not in the
> existing Legacy special character bar are not recognized.
>
> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 5:56 PM TheyBrokeTheMold 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried changing your keyboard to use Polish keyboard?  I toggle
>> mine between English and Danish when doing my Genealogy.  It is a quick and
>> easy, one-time setup in Windows to add languages, you can have multiiples,
>> not just two.
>>
>>
>>
>> ThankU2
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Mary Ann Latko Groetsema 
>> Date: 1/22/22 7:36 AM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Legacy User Group 
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 10?
>>
>> Legacy 10?  Can any of you in the beta group answer one question about
>> the upgrade?  I am in the process of switching to RootsMagic 8 *solely *for
>> the reason that Legacy 9 does not support all the international diacritics
>> that I need.  My ancestors were from Poland and not having the correct
>> spelling of their names and locations is bothersome.  I would really like
>> to stay with Legacy, but if the next version does not support the
>> international diacritics, I'll proceed with my migration.
>>
>> Thanks in advance if you can provide this information.
>>
>> Mary Ann Latko Groetsema
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 7:18 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> There is a test version of Legacy 10 that was just issued to those of us
>>> in the Beta testing group. Your GEDCOM may have come from one of the
>>> Beta testers.
>>>
>>> Beta testing is the next step but this can still take a long time.
>>> Version 9 was in Beta testing for over a year as bugs and issues were
>>> tested and sorted out. No telling how long this phase will be for
>>> Version 10.
>>>
>>> Brian Kelly
>>>
>>> On 21-Jan.-22 9:18 a.m., John Cardinal wrote:
>>> > Legacy users,
>>> >
>>> > I have a question about Legacy and GEDCOM exports.
>>> >
>>> > It appears that the most recent version of Legacy 9 is 9.0.0.*393*. I
>>> am
>>> > using Legacy 9.0.0.*339* so I plan to upgrade to get to the latest
>>> version.
>>> >
>>> > When I export a GEDCOM file, I see these records at the top that
>>> > indicate the file was written by Legacy 9:
>>> >
>>> > 0 HEAD
>>> >
>>> > 1 SOUR Legacy
>>> >
>>> > *2 VERS 9.0***
>>> >
>>> > That seems correct.
>>> >
>>> > However, another Legacy user sent me a GEDCOM file with this version
>>> > information:
>>> >
>>> > 0 HEAD
>>> >
>>> > 1 SOUR Legacy
>>> >
>>> > *2 VERS 10.0***
>>> >
>>> > **
>>> >
>>> > *Is there a Legacy 10?*I looked on the LegacyFamilyTree.com site and I
>>> > don't see any mention of it.
>>> >
>>> > **
>>> >
>>> > John Cardinal
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Updating my Legacy program . . . help please

[Chris Hill]

This very depends on WHAT type of genealogy you want to do. Roughly, you
could be looking at

1. A simple tree of everyone who is related to a single person, like your
family and ancestors, and their descendents.

2. An extended tree where you then grow away from the main tree by
following other family's that are related to them, like spouse's families
and their lines.

3. A tree where you follow any and every one who has the same surname or
origin, regardless of whether are related to each other, and hopefully
finding a link in the past.

It is your choice how you want to proceed with your tree. If you have built
it as version 3 then Legacy has the ability to identify each subtree in the
system and let you easily remove the unrelated people to get to a version 2
tree. Equally, using tags you can identify people in specific families and
decide to keep or remove them.

It is always your choice on how to maintain your system. I always run mine
as a version 2 and I can find, from my wife's side, links to a major
English actor, a French author and a German politician. Unfortunately my
side is much more boring, but that is life.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 29 Dec 2021, 06:36 Cynthia N. Russell, 
wrote:

> My interest in genealogy began when I was 17 years old and received an
> English assignment to write.  My wise mother, also a teacher, sent me on my
> way on the elevated train to Chicago, only a 30 minute trip, to research at
> the prestigious Newberry Library . . . what a beginning! Now 65 years later
> I am still thoroughly enjoying knowing about my many family histories.  I
> was self-taught, and, now after migrating through a number of genealogy
> programs I have kep up with Legacy's many moves too.  But, now as I am
> considering retiring I want to leave my Legacy program in 'good order' to
> pass on to other family members.  Hoping some members can give me simple,
> easy to follow steps to tidy up.
>
> Yes, I made up things as I went along hoping that down the road another
> insight might appear . . . now I want to clean it all up, please consider
> useful suggestions.
>
> As I researched I would add things such as the following, now I am
> wondering if I should just delete these items which truly do not have much
> of a connection:
>
> For instance:
> Unknown Russell, perhaps a date, perhaps not, or a place, I would make M
> or F, if known. I am no longer using UNKNOWN! But, would if be a good clean
> up to just delete all the people listed as Unknown, or leave
> a , and surname such as ", Russell". I'm inclined to just delete!
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Cleanup

[Chris Hill]

The most important thing that everyone needs to do, preferably from the
start, is to be consistent. Define how you want to hold information in
locations, events, media, sources etc.

If you have not done that you will start finding differences on how you
hold information. The problem is that you will need then to go through and
change information to fit a standard format. It is difficult but it can be
done; I am gradually working through my system, nearly 16000 people, to
bring them inline.

For a small file it could be possible to remove and recreate, but generally
you just have to go through and fix. But, first, set the standards that you
need before making any changes.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 21 Dec 2021, 16:32 Crystal Emory,  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I'm almost embarrassed about writing this email, but here goes
>
> Recently I printed a family group sheet. After reading it I noticed it was
> a mess. My sentences were inconsistent, for example, my census info is all
> over the place. I have simple spelling errors on words like census,
> cemetery, etc.  I have a number of other issues. Here's my question.
>
> Where do I start to clean up my mess. I toyed with the idea of wiping
> everything out and starting over. Not really convinced that's the way to
> go. I am leaning towards going into the master list and starting there.
> That too seems to be a big job. Can I get some suggestions if you have ever
> dealt with this?
>
> Crystal
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using "Windows Eleven" With Legacy Version 9

[Chris Hill]

Generally, there should be no issues with Win 11, apart from the 
differences that MS made that might impact you.


The one thing that I would be concerned about, from other comments, is 
that it may try to link your My Documents folder into a link to a 
OneDrive cloud solution. DO NOT ALLOW IT DO THAT.


Always regard a Cloud solution as a method for backup and to transfer 
files, under YOUR control. Never work on cloud based files; always work 
on local files on the PC. You never want or need to be dependent on 
whether that solution works, or how and/or often it will want to update 
itself.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Thomas Cox" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 20/12/2021 23:56:12
Subject: [LegacyUG] Using "Windows Eleven" With Legacy Version 9


Hello all,

I seem to recall some discussion in the recent past about whether Legacy would 
run seamlessly on Windows 11.  I don't recall though what the consensus of the 
responders was regarding using Windows 11 with the Legacy program.  I am 
considering replacing my old computer with a new one.  This new computer comes 
with Windows 11 already installed.  I am suddenly a little hesitant to jump 
into the new computer fearing problems with software malfunctions or worse, 
losing my genealogy data.  I would welcome any comments from  folks who have 
any experience using Windows 11 with the Legacy program.

Thank you.

Thomas Cox

cayuse...@comcast.net


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Re: [LegacyUG] Multiple Lines of Descendent Book HELP please

[Chris Hill]

On the individual display the MRIN no for the couple is the middle one of
the three numbers at the bottom right corner of the display. Alternatively,
the Marriage List will give you a list of every marriage along with the
MRIN and the individuals

To run a Multiple Lines of Descent, you need to provide a list of the
starting points. These would normally be the oldest individuals in that
part of the tree. The report will work down from those people. As I recall
(and may be wrong) if your oldest ancestors has no marriage you will find
that there is a dummy marriage record for them that you can use, with the
other person listed as Unknown.

You do not need to include any marriages below the starting points, so
basically you can start with all of your oldest ancestors and that of your
spouse's ancestors, and then let the report work through all of them.

The report will process the marriages in the sequence that you give it.
Where you have the same people occuring twice, because you have two lines
merging, you can report on the second as a reference to the first record
that it found, which will stop the report just repeating the same
information and the common descendents.

As I recall the result is limited to no more than 300 starting marriages.
The list of starting numbers can be individual MRiNs, or a range if you can
find a set in sequence and the correct order.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021, 23:10 Cynthia N. Russell, 
wrote:

> Thank kyou Evelyn for such a quick reply.  I only RIN numbers listed, how
> do I find my
> MRIN number?
>
> Cynthia Dodd Nichols Russell
> great-great-great-great-granddaughter of Francis FERGUS 1752 Co Tyrone,
> IRE-1841 Tennessee/USA
> great-great-great-granddaughter of General James FERGUS 1783
> Pennsylvania/USA -1855 Ohio/USA
> The Village at Bay Ridge, 3950 Scenic Ridge Drive, #317, Traverse City,
> MI (Michigan) 49684/USA, phone  231.463.4343
> FaceBook: Cynthia Nichols Russell
> fergusresearc...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 4:54 PM Evelyn ..  wrote:
>
>> There are some complete directions here...
>> https://www.legacyfamilytree.se/WEB_US/multiple_lines_of_descent_book.htm
>>
>> I noticed that you listed the RIN. This is a unique number identifying a
>> specific PERSON. This report goes by MRIN which is the MARRIAGE number. The
>> MRIN is a unique number used to identify a specific relationship. If a
>> person has 3 spouses, there will be 3 MRINs associated with that person,
>> one for each relationship.
>>
>> You can find the MRIN from the Marriage List or if you bring up a couple
>> in Family View then in the *bottom right corner* you'll see 3 numbers:
>> the left is the husband's RIN, the middle is the MRIN of the couple, the
>> right is the wife's RIN. You will use the middle number: MRIN.
>>
>> Congratulations on your adventure into reporting!
>> - Evelyn
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 10:58 AM Cynthia N. Russell <
>> fergusresearc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have been trying to set up a Multiple Lines of Descendent Book. I have
>>> printed directions from the HELP button, but I am unable to get anywhere.
>>> Including myself there are 8 generations. I hope someone will be willing to
>>> give me baby steps to accomplish this project . . . I am thanking you in
>>> advance!
>>>
>>> I have chosen the following: I put a + in front of the female numbers
>>>
>>> *Order of list   RIN numberName of eldest ancestor*
>>> 1   14404 John Theobald Dewalt MNECHLING
>>> 2   14397 Dewalt MECHLINS\G
>>> 3 +14393Mary Magdalena MECHLING
>>> 4   14392Samuel ANDERSON
>>> 5   11074William DODD
>>> 6 +131Ida Mae DODD
>>> 7   +4247Helen Hortense FERGUS
>>> 8   +1201Cynthia NICHOLS
>>>
>>> Now I do not know what to do next, or, if my list is done correctly.
>>> Baby steps please. I am 83 years young.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cynthia Nichols Russell
>>> fergusresearc...@gmail.com
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship database error problem

[Chris Hill]

In addition to the normal .ldb database, Legacy also use a few other 
files. In this case, the file was the Main Tree~rc3.rc3. file which is 
used to hold relationship information. This can be easily removed and 
then recreated when you run the Relationship within the system.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Mary Fowler Leek" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 06/10/2021 18:47:45
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationship database error problem


May I ask the name of this file?

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 10:51 AM J M  wrote:
Legacy Family Tree tech support just solved the problem for me. A 
simple fix of just deleting the correct *.rc3 file.


Everyone can go back to their regular programming!


On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 8:30 AM J M  wrote:
Thank for the suggestion: I use the 3-2-1 backup method. I'm ok, but 
I had some free time this morning and was hoping to dig a little 
deeper into my Italian roots.

Thanks again!

On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 8:27 AM TheyBrokeTheMold 
 wrote:

Make a copy of your last backup right away.
Do not make a backup of this file that may overwrite your last 
backup.



 Original message 
From: J M 
Date: 10/6/21 11:01 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Relationship database error problem

This morning I woke up to a message on the computer that says:

For Your Information
Your file is too large for the collection of all possible 
relationships with the current options you have selected and the 
collection has been stopped at this point. The results will only 
show the 2736347 relationships that we have collected so far.


Then when I try to open the legacy family tree database file, I get 
this error message:


Error:0
Error opening relationships database.
Unrecognized database format C:\Users\jsmes\Documents\Legacy Family 
Tree\Data\Main Tree~rc3.rc3.

Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?


Does anyone have any suggestions or is this something I need to 
reach out to tech support about?


Cheers, Jon

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Re: [LegacyUG] US State Names

[Chris Hill]

If you have been entering incorrect locations then it will have effects. 
Firstly, the information will added to the inbuilt location database and 
may then be used for other location entries that match. Remember that 
Legacy will always show the nearest, ie matching at the start, entries 
as you make new additions. If you have downloaded the Legacy Geo 
Database you will be making additions to the entries there.


What you need to do is to open View / Master Lists / Location. This will 
show you a list of all the of locations in the system - both the Geo 
Database and your own. Given that your entries are variations on the Geo 
Database list, you then have the ability to merge the incorrect ones 
with the valid ones. Just select a group which are wrong, click on 
Combine, select the valid one and click on Combine With. If are no valid 
versions, then you just need to edit your entries, and combining where 
needed.


From Options you can delete incorrect entries, so long as they are not 
in use. Options / Print / Location Report will give you a list of all or 
those in use, showing who is using them - this can take a long time to 
run. Also note that legacy has different ways of viewing the location, 
basically from inside to out or from outside to in - LA, California, US 
or US, California, LA.


Regards

Chris

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From: "Cindy Custer" 
To: "Legacy Family Tree Support" ; "Legacy 
Users Group" 

Sent: 21/09/2021 18:28:07
Subject: [LegacyUG] US State Names

I have been inconsistent entering data and have some state names 
spelled out and others abbreviated.




Will the Master Location/Options/Expand-Contract Location Parts make 
entire-database changes to appreviate


Any State name spelled out? Do I need to select/deselect something to 
make it do that?





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Re: [LegacyUG] GEDCOM from 2004

[Chris Hill]

Since the GEDCOM format is a standardized format created by FamilySearch it
will be possible to import it into any genealogy system, with the only
issue being the ability of the originator to create extra structures with
the GEDCOM format. In practice that would not be a problem since Legacy
would normally place this into a Notes record against the person etc.

I would follow the process of importing each file, independently, into new
Lagacy files. Since that will probably raise various issues you would need
to note how you configured the import and then what you need to change
before you rerun it.

Once you have the files back into Legacy you will need to check through the
details to ensure that it is valid. Then you can look at whether they are
valid and whether you need to merge them together or back into your own
files.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 1 Sep 2021, 22:04 Margaret Gagliardi,  wrote:

> I have been given a mountain load of research papers done MANY years ago.
> Maybe even before computers.  However, amongst the papers I just found an
> old floppy disk and a CD.  I put the CD in an old PC I have and found  3
> files that are GEDCOMs from 2004.  I have the latest Legacy Family Tree and
> have Windows 10.  I need detailed procedures to get these files off the CD
> and onto my laptop.  I do not know which program they were originally in.
> Please help!
> Thank you very much.
> Margaret
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Re: [LegacyUG] Problems with Backup

[Chris Hill]

I think the problem is that users often do not have the understanding of 
how Save, Save As and Backup work.


For most software (Word, Excel, Notepad etc.) all of the processing 
occurs in memory. These therefore need to be written back onto the disk 
before you close the program. One would normally use the Save command 
which will overwrite the original file with the updated version. If you 
want to create a new file, without overwriting the original, you would 
use the Save As command to create a new file.


Legacy, and other database systems, always make changes directly to the 
original file, *.fdb etc., as they are changed. These programs have no 
need for a Save command since there is nothing that needs to be saved. 
But they might, and Legacy does, have a Save As command. This is 
designed to make copies of the current .fdb and related files and save 
them under a different file name. At that point you have two duplicated 
copies of the same set of files. The moment that you make a change 
onwards you will only the changing the version that you are working on. 
On my system it has created the following files, as duplicates of my 
live Hill.fdb version :


Hill1.fdb, Hill1.FG, Hill1.h1, Hill1.h2, Hill1.ldb, Hill1.SC, Hill1.TC, 
Hill1~hdb.hdb, Hill1~ppl.ppl, Hill1~rc3.ldb, Hill1~rc3.rc3, 
Hill1~rc3.rc3.cal, Hill1~rgd.rgd


Notice that the *.ldb files will be removed when Legacy closes, and also 
that none of the associated media files or other internal Legacy files 
will be copied.


These files could be regarded as a copy for use as a backup, but more 
likely as a temporary version for experimenting before making changes to 
the live files.


Now, you could always make a backup of all of the files - yours, Legacy 
and media - into a separate location, using the functionality within 
Windows Explorer, and you can also use a compression system to reduce 
the size of the files that you copy. But Legacy includes the Backup 
command to do this for you, as compressed files. This can be set to run 
every time you close Legacy or you can it whenever you want to. It also 
has the ability to put a time-stamp on the backup file name, which would 
be an issue with backups taken every time you close Legacy since you 
will be building multiple copies and would need you to clear these out 
manually with Windows Explorer. My preference is to make backups before 
and after making large changes to the system, while letting minor 
changes go through without being backed up. I also ensure that the 
backup files are saved into a different folder, called Backups, below 
the normal working folder. I also do the same with the media files into 
the Media/. folders. Also note that the media backups will ONLY 
include media files which are explicitly linked into the Legacy system 
and will exclude any other files in the media folders. To include these 
you would need to create a fake and hidden event that you can attach 
them to.


Looking at my Backup files I notice that the Hill~rc3.rc3.cal is not 
included, and that they are based against the folder they were saved 
from. However the media files are based back against the full folder 
structure to the media files; that might be an issue with a restore onto 
a system with a different folder structure.


Restoring from a backup could be done by extracting the files 
individually through Windows Explorer or a compression software, and 
ensuring that the files end in the correct location, but that must only 
be done when Legacy is closed.  But it would be better to use the 
Restore command within Legacy to do this since it will ensure that there 
are no issues regarding files that might to open.


The only issue that I have with the backups is that they do not include 
the internal Legacy files, especially those which are user configurable 
and should be included in the backup files.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Roberta Schwalm" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 18/08/2021 12:30:34
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Problems with Backup

Cathy, am I mistaken or is she using "save as" instead of "backup"?  
Whenever I close a session after adding new information, I click on the 
"Exit Legacy" button and it always asks me if I want to back up my 
data.  The default is my C drive and I do save it there.  However, I 
reopen Legacy, insert my external hard drive, click on the "backup" 
button, change the drive to which I want to save my data, then follow 
the instruction that I get on screen.  I have never had a problem with 
saving my information.


Roberta

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Cathy Pinner  
wrote:

Cindy,
You can't expect the Restore a backup feature to work when you don't 
use

the Backup feature.

What file are you saving to your external drives and how? If you are
overwriting your previous saved file on those drives, then you only 
have
one generation of a type of backup. You should have at least 10 of 
your

data backups though many of us keep 

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy

[Chris Hill]

I think that there are deeper issues which need to be addressed. Legacy is
basically based on VB6 which is mid-90s technology and has out of support
from Microsoft for 15+ years. MH has its own Family Tree Builder which is
more in line with current GUI standards.

Both need to be updated to move to a modern GUI and database structure
which would support Mac and Linux platforms as well as Windows.

The question is what do MH want to do about it - develop one or both as
they are; develop one and drop the other; or develop a totally new
solution, and not one which is based on a remote based solution.

And then you have to see what the new owner of MH wants to do.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 7 Jul 2021, 11:20 ,  wrote:

> Chris
>
> You are right to a certain extend only.
>
>
> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170803006451/en/MyHeritage-Acquires-the-Legacy-Family-Tree-Software-and-Webinar-Platform#:~:text=%2D%2D(BUSINESS%20WIRE)%2D%2DMyHeritage,platform%2C%20Legacy%20Family%20Tree%20Webinars
> .
>
> Johan
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf
> Of Chris Hill
> Sent: 07 July 2021 09:40
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy
>
> The issue is that MH is independent of Legacy and is quite entitled to
> change its interfaces to suit its own views on what its users might want.
> If that then has an impact of other businesses, like Legacy, then it is
> down to them to react and modify their own code.
>
> MH might decide to inform Legacy of its changes in advance, but that would
> be dependent on its own views, just the same as the way that FS makes
> changes to its interfaces. There is also the risk in doing that since it
> might freeze the change or cause Legacy to develop code that might need to
> be modified if MH change the plan.
>
> Remember that legally Legacy is an independent business and not part of
> MH. If they were integrated then I would expect better integration between
> them, but they are not.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: jo...@lauwens.com
> To: "Legacy User Group" 
> Sent: 07/07/2021 09:16:24
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy
>
> >Cathy
> >
> >The real issue here is that My Heritage who owns Legacy Family Tree
> doesn't seem to bother that Legacy is no longer working as it should.
> >
> >Kind regards
> >Johan
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: LegacyUserGroup  On
> >Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> >Sent: 07 July 2021 03:31
> >To: Legacy User Group 
> >Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy
> >
> >Ian,
> >You don't have to search trees. Even when the hinting is working for
> MyHeritage, you can turn off the tree hints.
> >For the Internet Search, to create one for a particular collection, you
> don't change the existing one for MH, you create an entirely new one.
> >Cathy
> >
> >>  Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com> Wednesday, 7 July 2021
> >> 09:53  Cathy Yes, that is the way I approached it - using the
> >> Search-Internet  interface in Legacy, for MyHeritage, and at the
> >> resulting page,  selecting various Collections or other settings from
> >> there. But I  opted not to amend the URL that it sends or even to
> >> explore Help for  Legacy's codes used in tat function.
> >>
> >>  I did actually like the Hints for MH within Legacy, even though it
> >> threw up a lot of nonsense - but that is just a reflection of the
> >> information that people put into their trees.
> >>
> >>
> >>  I.L. Thomas
> >>  61 Gloucester St., Victoria Park, Western Australia 6100
> >>
> >>  -Original Message-
> >>  From: LegacyUserGroup  On
> >> Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
> >>  Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 6:16 PM
> >>  To: Legacy User Group 
> >>  Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy
> >>
> >>  There's a problem with MyHeritage hints currently as far as I know.
> >>  You can write your own Internet Searches. You may be able to restrict
> it.
> >>  You do a search as you want it on the site and copy the Search URL
> >> and  replace specifics with the available codes. It's explained in
> >> the Help  I think. Whether this particular restriction can be done, I
> >> don't  know. It looks like it could be done for a particular collection.
> >>  You certainly can't do it by adding site:au
> >>
> >>  Cathy
> >>
> >>
> &

Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy

[Chris Hill]

The issue is that MH is independent of Legacy and is quite entitled to 
change its interfaces to suit its own views on what its users might 
want. If that then has an impact of other businesses, like Legacy, then 
it is down to them to react and modify their own code.


MH might decide to inform Legacy of its changes in advance, but that 
would be dependent on its own views, just the same as the way that FS 
makes changes to its interfaces. There is also the risk in doing that 
since it might freeze the change or cause Legacy to develop code that 
might need to be modified if MH change the plan.


Remember that legally Legacy is an independent business and not part of 
MH. If they were integrated then I would expect better integration 
between them, but they are not.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: jo...@lauwens.com
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 07/07/2021 09:16:24
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy


Cathy

The real issue here is that My Heritage who owns Legacy Family Tree doesn't 
seem to bother that Legacy is no longer working as it should.

Kind regards
Johan

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Cathy Pinner
Sent: 07 July 2021 03:31
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy

Ian,
You don't have to search trees. Even when the hinting is working for 
MyHeritage, you can turn off the tree hints.
For the Internet Search, to create one for a particular collection, you don't 
change the existing one for MH, you create an entirely new one.
Cathy


 Ian Thomas  Wednesday, 7 July 2021 09:53
 Cathy Yes, that is the way I approached it - using the Search-Internet
 interface in Legacy, for MyHeritage, and at the resulting page,
 selecting various Collections or other settings from there. But I
 opted not to amend the URL that it sends or even to explore Help for
 Legacy's codes used in tat function.

 I did actually like the Hints for MH within Legacy, even though it
 threw up a lot of nonsense - but that is just a reflection of the
 information that people put into their trees.


 I.L. Thomas
 61 Gloucester St., Victoria Park, Western Australia 6100

 -Original Message-
 From: LegacyUserGroup  On
 Behalf Of Cathy Pinner
 Sent: Tuesday, 6 July 2021 6:16 PM
 To: Legacy User Group 
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] MyHeritage - Internet search within Legacy

 There's a problem with MyHeritage hints currently as far as I know.
 You can write your own Internet Searches. You may be able to restrict it.
 You do a search as you want it on the site and copy the Search URL and
 replace specifics with the available codes. It's explained in the Help
 I think. Whether this particular restriction can be done, I don't
 know. It looks like it could be done for a particular collection.
 You certainly can't do it by adding site:au

 Cathy



 Ian Thomas  Tuesday, 6 July 2021 13:08

 For some months, I haven't had any HINTS within Legacy _except for
 FindMyPast_ - and wonder if it is possible to restrict the Search /
 Search Internet for MyHeritage.com  by country (or Collection?).

 At this time, I would like to restrict to MyHeritage.com’s *Australian
 collections* only

 I use the default settings, but cannot see that I can restrict to
 country within the URL search string.

 Within a browser, I do remember appending *site:.au* but I doubt that
 would be appropriate.

 Ideas?

 I.L. Thomas

 Western Australia 6100






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Re: [LegacyUG] need help

[Chris Hill]

The question is whether you have made links ie children or spouses between
them or not. If not they should in separate trees. You could start at the
top of the tree and then tag everyone who is a dependent of them. Then you
should be able to extract just them and their spouses. Alternatively just
tag the major tree, excluding the other ones, and tag it so that you can
extract them.

If you have made links which are potentially wrong, you have the issue of
identifying them and removing them.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, 21:54 Norma Heaton,  wrote:

> Hello
>
> I have created a tree tracing all the descendants of a particular person &
> his wife, but in creating this tree I included all persons with the surname
> who at the time I thought might be connected to the individual.  Then I
> wanted to pull out of that tree only the actual descendants.   I created a
> gedcom of those individuals & set up a new Legacy tree with only his
> descendants.  But I have just found the gedcom I created for the new tree
> has included all the persons in the original tree.
>
> So, my question is: How do I create a new Legacy tree with only this
> persons descendants & not the peripheral persons who I have found have no
> connection.  I am using Legacy 7.5.0.286
>
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
> Norma
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Chris Hill]

I think that I have been misunderstanding the meaning to the value 
we set for relationships, partly because there seem to be no definition 
of what it means that I can find in the help system.


I had assumed that it was the number of steps between people, so my 
father is step 1, my grandfather is step 2 (F->G), my uncle is step 3 
(F->G->U) and my cousin in step 4 (F->G->U->C).  Hence I would use a 
large number to be able to locate my 3rd cousin 3 times removed - 11 
steps.


Having been playing with the values and seeing what the effect was, 
I now suspect that it is looking for multiple, different paths between 
people, of which there are very few in my tree. They would generally be 
the descendants of a marriage between cousins with two different routes 
back to a common ancestor.


My apologies if I have been misleading in the past.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Cathy Pinner" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 14/03/2021 06:44:12
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

The default is 5. That's fine for my file of about 20,000 people. I 
don't have much pedigree collapse, no endogamy and I'm not back into 
royal genealogies.
In my friend's file where there are many aristocratic/royal lines 
entered, I found I stopped getting more relationships between two 
people when it was set to 30 so I wouldn't go any higher.
Whether it matters to set it higher depends on your computer. Unless 
your computer has a heap of RAM, it takes much longer to set 
relationships if you jump to 999. The number relates to the number of 
checks that are made for alternative lines between the people in your 
database.


There is no point in upping the non-blood in set relationships from the 
default 2 as only the very closest non-blood - spouses and close 
in-laws are included. There is a point to upping it in the Relationship 
Calculator.


Cathy


Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:37
The usual recommendation seems to be set it to 10 - 20, on the basis 
that your family tree will not be that complex in terms of the number 
of generations that it needs to work through looking for a common 
ancestor. My largest line is about 14 generations.


That said, I always run with 999 blood and 5 non-blood relationships, 
and it does not seem to impact the performance.


I suppose that it would cause issues if your tree had weird, and 
probably invalid, links to work through.


Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+



Leo MacDonald <mailto:macdonald...@hotmail.com>
Thursday, 11 March 2021 22:13
When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood 
Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was 
wondering how many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm 
not sure if I'm too low.



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Re: [LegacyUG] Relationships

[Chris Hill]

The usual recommendation seems to be set it to 10 - 20, on the basis that
your family tree will not be that complex in terms of the number of
generations that it needs to work through looking for a common ancestor. My
largest line is about 14 generations.

That said, I always run with 999 blood and 5 non-blood relationships, and
it does not seem to impact the performance.

I suppose that it would cause issues if your tree had weird, and probably
invalid, links to work through.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021, 14:14 Leo MacDonald,  wrote:

> When setting up the Set Relationships for a person under the Blood
> Relationships section, a number from 1-999 can be entered, I was wondering
> how many most researchers enter, I have mine set at 6, I'm not sure if I'm
> too low.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Sorting children - twins

[Chris Hill]

I think that the order in which it sorts children when you have 
multiple with the same birth date is a bit undefined. I suspect that it 
will use the last updated date to sort them but I am not sure. 
Certainly, when stepping through them from the bar between the 
individual and spouse I will find that if I change the first of the pair 
then the next one I get shown will be the next one after the pair rather 
than the second of the pair. It also shows up in the list of children 
under the parents changing.


Ideally, they should sort on the child's first name or the RIN for 
consistency.


Regards

Chris

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To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 04/03/2021 10:04:13
Subject: [LegacyUG] Sorting children - twins

I have Legacy set to sort children into birth order, which is usually 
fine. However, I have a case of twins, born five minutes apart, in 
which Legacy has got them the wrong way round (well, how could it have 
known?), and I would like to swap them round, but can't see how to do 
this.


Can anyone help, please?

Regards,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Cemetery questions

[Chris Hill]

In terms of recording cemeteries, marriages etc. I work on a basis of using
the Location table to identify the Place ie. town or village, and to use
the Address table to identify exactly where in the town it was, such as
Cemetery Name, Address, Lat and Long, etc.

Regarding the transfer of the body or headstone, I would put the initial
one in the Burial fields. That then gives you with the choice of how you
record the transfer, which could be a number of events or a list within the
Burial notes. That is really down to your preferences.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 10 Jan 2021, 16:05 Scott Hall,  wrote:

> Hey all...
>
> Need some advice on how to handle some cemetery relocation issues.
>
> First, if a person was buried in Cemetery X, but relocated to Cemetery Y,
> I've been recording it as follows:
>
> Original burial information to Burial DatePlace Field
> Attach Cemetery Event Address to Burial Date/Place Field
>
> Reinterment information to Reburial Event Fields.  Add Cemetery name to
> "Description"
> Attach Cemetery Event Address to Event
>
> That's pretty straight forward -- record the event as it occurred at the
> time in the principal field (Burial) and the successive event as an Event.
>
> But, I've recently come across a number of ancestors for whom their
> *headstones* were relocated to a different cemetery, but their corpses *were
> not disinterred*.   This is now challenging me as to how to record the
> location of the headstone.
>
> For those who may have New England ancestors, this issue arises in
> Connecticut where at least two 17th century towns, New Haven and Guilford,
> relocated the headstones of the dead buried on their town commons to
> cemeteries established in the early 19th century.  In both cases, only the
> headstones were moved--the corpses remain buried under the town common, the
> exact site of the graves now lost to history.
>
> It seems obvious to record the original burial information as above -- but
> how to denote the relocation of the headstone?  It's important to keep
> track of, if for no other reason than to explain the plethora of Find a
> Grave and other memorials that seem to indicate burial occurred in these
> newer cemeteries (I'm working with Find a Grave in hopes of cleaning this
> up).
>
> I suppose the best way is to record this as a burial note.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> If so, then for consistency, should I use Burial notes for actual
> reinterment of corpses instead of Events?
>
> Lastly -- how do you record cemeteries?  Do you use Event Addresses like I
> do, attaching them to the Burial field, do you use Events, or something
> else?
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
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Re: [LegacyUG] Events descriptions

[Chris Hill]

As I recall all of these are held within the Legacy .fdb database and not
in the .usr files.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021, 16:57 ,  wrote:

>
> The text of all my events has been modified. Since I don't want to redo
> everything, I think to  go to one of my backups to copy the file with the
> correct description and replace the faulty file. Which file contains the
> event description.
>
> Georges
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging a gedcom to my master file

[Chris Hill]

My feeling is that you should import the GEDCOM into a new Legacy file 
and verify it, which should be good but might be dependent on how longer 
ago you created it. Then you can create a copy of your live Legacy file 
and merge the new one into that. That would ensure that you do not 
override your current live file, though you could make a backup of it 
first. Once the result is good you can then create a new master file 
from it.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Gene Wheeler" 
To: "Legacy Users Group" 
Sent: 24/12/2020 15:26:24
Subject: [LegacyUG] Merging a gedcom to my master file

I understand there are two ways to merge a gedcom to my master files: 
one by merging the gedcom file directly into the master file; the other 
is to use the gedcom to create a new LFT file, then merge that database 
into the master file. That latter seems a lot more complicated.


My question is, which is the easiest and best way to do this to assure 
no problems. The gedcom is not all that big, perhaps 620 individuals. 
The master file has 7500 individuals.


The gedcom was originally created when I decided to delete a collateral 
line from my master file, but I wanted to save the info just in case. 
Well, here I am wanting to re-add that line to my master file. However, 
I have upgraded to v.9 since then.


It seems on the surface that the gedcom should be pretty clean and that 
I ought to be safe importing/merging it back into my master file. 
Anyone have any thoughts on this? Your advice would be greatly 
appreciated! Thanks!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Distant Relations

[Chris Hill]

If Legacy has determined that you are related, then all that you need to 
do is use Tools / Relationship with you on the left and him on the 
right. That will show you the path between you, working upwards from you 
to the common ancestor and then down from there to him. Note also that 
it can show multiple, different routes, which you can select at the top, 
where there are cross links between the lines.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Trevor Good" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 19/12/2020 01:07:01
Subject: [LegacyUG] Distant Relations


Hi all
I have a cousin who from my files I can determine that she is my 11th 
cousin, three times removed. She in England and me in NZ
Is there any way of finding a tree that has both of us in it, I have 
searched her descendants file and can't find me and I have search my 
descendants file and can't find her, is this because she is so distant 
or is there another reason?


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Cloud ending, future backup option/suggestion

[Chris Hill]

It is on the Help menu.

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "sarah hughes" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 14/11/2020 11:00:37
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Cloud ending, future backup 
option/suggestion


Where do I find the Request Feature option, please. I liked it too, and 
there was nothing untrustworthy about it!


On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 03:21, Kevin Ferguson  
wrote:
It really has nothing to do with how many people are using it, it has 
to do with the European Data Protection Acts. The new rules kick in 
next year and require way to much for them to fuss with, so they are 
discontinuing it.




I personally loved the feature but I understand their reasons and will 
move on. I only really used it for mobility.




Best regards

Kevin Ferguson



Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10




From: Roberta Schwalm 
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 9:14 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Cloud ending, future backup 
option/suggestion




I guess it is going away because not enough people are using it.  I, 
for one, just don't trust it.




Roberta



On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 9:06 PM John Faulks  
wrote:


This is something I posted on the FB pages and as a Feature Request 
suggestion when the Legacy Cloud backup feature is disabled.




Many users have multiple backups. The legacy cloud option was one 
choice but only captured the tree and not the media files. And now it 
is going away.




My suggestion is to replace the Legacy Cloud backup option with a 
second PC option. Users who like two backups could set it up from 
within the program. For example, have option one point to a local 
drive and the second could point to a cloud location. I do this now 
but it involves a separate backup program.




If you like the idea, please let the developers know via Request 
Feature option.




John Faulks
Gmail account


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Re: [LegacyUG] Family file in use

[Chris Hill]

I have noticed that one solution to this problem is to close Windows with a
Restart instead of Close. It appears that Close saves the current status of
the system, which might include which files are open, while Restart will
close everything. I don't know why MS do it that way round and I would
expect it to be the other way around, but then I have only been in IT
longer than them.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, 09:22 Gillian Häkli,  wrote:

> Thanks, Loren. No I don't.
>
> I wrote to Brian (off list) to tell him that his suggestion about
> closing .ldb files hadn't worked, that I'd closed any found and the
> message was still appearing. But now it's a new day, my computer's had a
> good night's sleep and when I opened Legacy this morning, it was OK; the
> message didn't appear. So perhaps everything's all right now. At least I
> know what to do in the future.
>
> Thank you for your help
>
> Gillian
>
> On 02/11/2020 05:38, Loren Johns via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
> > Do you have Legacy charting open? That opens and uses your database too.
> >
> > Loren Johns
> > Stuart, FL
> >
> >> On Nov 1, 2020, at 6:01 AM, Brian Kelly  wrote:
> >>
> >> This can happen if Legacy does not close down correctly. A
> filename.ldb file is left in the folder where your file is stored. It can
> also happen if you have Legacy Charting or Legacy Family Search running
> when you try to open Legacy because those modules also open your family
> file.
> >>
> >> Shut down any open Legacy, LegacyFamilySearch or LegacyCharting
> programs.
> >>
> >> Use Windows file Explorer to access the folder where your Family
> file(s). Look for and delete any .ldb files you find.
> >>
> >> Restart Legacy and you should be fine.
> >>
> >> Brian Kelly
> >> Rockland, ON, Canada
> >>
> >>> On 01-Nov.-20 4:46 a.m., Gillian Häkli wrote:
> >>> Good morning from Finland,
> >>> When I turn on Legacy I get the following message:
> >>> I turned Legacy off and opened it again but still got the same
> message. I looked at Task Manager and there was only one Legacy open. So
> what does it mean and, please, what can I do about it?
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Gillian
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Re: [LegacyUG] Which file do I choose?

[Chris Hill]

These seem to be the normal backup files, which are usually named with 
the legacy database name from the .fdb and followed by a date and time 
stamp and with extension .zip. Effectively, you can delete any of these, 
though I would normally keep the last few plus ones later back if 
needed. If you are using media files, these would create their own 
backups with -media on the end and you might need to restore these 
separately (I have never had to do this).


You can recover these through the normal Restore step in Legacy.  If 
needed you can open the default sample database and use that to get to 
the Restore step.


Regards

Chris

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From: "Kir Rich" 
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Sent: 23/10/2020 14:42:10
Subject: [LegacyUG] Which file do I choose?

Each time I sign out from Legacy, I am asked to backup any changes I 
made. This makes a new updated file with the latest information. I now 
have a folder with an overabundance of files.

Can the old ones be deleted?

My second question is, recently had to have a new OS installed due to a 
locked up computer. So the old data was saved in a separate location, 
reinstalled the OS and now I don't know which of the many data files to 
click on that I want to reinstall.


Any suggestions?

 
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Re: [LegacyUG] I AM IN A BIG MESS - again - no still

[Chris Hill]

View / Name List / Options / Print and then select the CSV File at 
the bottom right and select the fields you want, then click on Create.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 05/10/2020 10:34:23
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] I AM IN A BIG MESS - again - no still


Yes have the Deluxe version so where do I go please ?



Cheers from Valerie



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Evert van Dijken

Sent: Monday, 5 October 2020 7:40 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] I AM IN A BIG MESS - again - no still



Print to CSV is a DeLuxe option.

Evert



Op ma 5 okt. 2020 om 08:52 schreef :

Yes this is what I am trying to do but where do I print the list from 
- I could only print a pdf from the name list.




Cheers from Valerie



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Sent: Monday, 5 October 2020 4:26 PM
To: Legacy User Group ; Rmhansense 


Cc: M Sonnier 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] I AM IN A BIG MESS - again - no still



Legacy allows you to print to an excell file.  In preparing to print 
each file, do not select first and last name together  rather select 
surname, then first name, birth date and death date. Now you are ready 
to print the entire data base to an excel file.  After it has printed, 
open the excel file and input the name of the database in the first 
blank column.  Repeat these steps for the second database.  In the 
first empty column input the name of the second database. Copy the 
entire page for the second database and paste the results at the end 
of the first excel spreadsheet.  Do this for each remaining database.  
Finally sort the file by the using the surname and then last name.  
Now you will be able to go down the alphabetical list which will tell 
you the database for each person.  For excel help, see youtube.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Hints

[Chris Hill]

Hi Gillian

You might want to read this post, which I have raised on the Legacy 
Facebook page.


>
I am just back to my master PC, the other was on my laptop, and still 
running at v339. This works with my looking at my fathers hints with no 
problem. Looked at my cousins hints, with a hint searched record that 
was quite old, probably from 2019. That gets this error the first time, 
looking for it from the index


{"statusCode":400,"error":"Bad Request","message":"Invalid cookie 
header"}


Switched to the individual view and tried from there, and got the 
Loading Hints... display. Looking at the http request, they are both the 
same except that the erroring one does not have the last field for _k=


https://www.findmypast.com/hints-ui/#/list/d6f3c2ef-7910-4f98-9d79-cf81c16c9a19?partnerId=..&_k=ujhukh

Looked at the hint record and it was old. Checked the Hints processing 
monitor and it showed a few waiting requests. Waited for these to clear. 
The hints flag disappeared from her record and then reappeared a couple 
of minutes later, with a current last searched date. This one does work, 
but note that the first field, which I assume is the individual, has 
changed.


https://www.findmypast.com/hints-ui/#/list/4fd010f1-807d-44c1-9ff6-f02d0e590dce?partnerId=.&_k=dqpuzw

I assume that the partnerid identifies either me or you.

So, I think that there is a problem with old Hints records which have 
not been researched recently and might contain out of date information.

<<<

Regards

Chris

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To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 21/09/2020 16:48:27
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Hints


 Hi Brian,

I've now tried many Hints following your advice, that is, deleted all cookies 
for fmp, and so far everything's going well. Thank you very very much.

Gillian

On 21/09/2020 17:08, Brian Kelly wrote:

Not any kind of expert but that message looks like a problem with the web 
browser you are using. It is reporting an error with the findmypast web site or 
with the string legacy is sending to the site.  Since it is reporting a bad 
cookie I would first try deleting all the cookies in your browser pertaining to 
findmypast.com. If that does not solve the problem try clearing your internet 
cache in your Browser it may be trying to re-use a bad link from your history.

Brian Kelly

On 21-Sep.-20 9:36 a.m., Gillian Häkli wrote:

Can some kind person please explain to me why I nearly always get this message 
when I try to look at a Hint:

Sometimes, but only very rarely, I do manage to get through to findmypast to 
see what the hint is.

Findmypast is the only site I have marked for hints.'

Regards,

Gillian Hakli







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Re: [LegacyUG] Hints

[Chris Hill]

I have the same error with version 9.0.0.339. I updated to version 362,
which I had been avoiding because if the issues with 361, and now get as
far as a Loading hints display from FindMyPast which had been running for a
few minutes.

So it looks like the later version has the correct security settings but
that there is an issue with FindMyPast or the Legacy parameter settings are
wrong.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Mon, 21 Sep 2020, 14:37 Gillian Häkli,  wrote:

> Can some kind person please explain to me why I nearly always get this
> message when I try to look at a Hint:
>
> Sometimes, but only very rarely, I do manage to get through to findmypast
> to see what the hint is.
>
> Findmypast is the only site I have marked for hints.'
>
> Regards,
>
> Gillian Hakli
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Decipher an old Parish Document

[Chris Hill]

Yes, it was common. I have found a family in the late 19th century in 
London baptising 7 children. There are also the cases of a 
non-Conformist family converting to Anglican and getting baptised en 
masse.


Regards

Chris

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From: "sarah hughes" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 15/09/2020 19:27:36
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Decipher an old Parish Document

Quite right Roberta. I have found 3 children in the same family, of 
different ages, all baptized at the same time, a few months after the 
youngest one's birth. This was in a village in Devon, UK in the 1800s.


On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 19:23, Roberta Schwalm 
 wrote:
Have you thought that, in those days, parents often had to wait a long 
time to have their children christened, especially if they lived in 
isolated areas.  It happened in my maternal grandfather's family as 
the priest's or minister's visits were often few and far between.


Roberta (aka Bobbie)

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:35 PM Chris Swann  
wrote:

Hi all,

I have a document which lists 2 of my relatives. I can work out that
they were both Christened on the same day in 1596 BUT there is 
something

else which mentions a birth date of 1593.

Some of the trees I have seen have included these two individuals as
potential twins being born and christened together in 1596 but I 
think
that one of them was born back in 1593 where I already have a John 
born

in 1593.

Is there anyone who is good at deciphering olde English so that I can
try and resolve this conundrum?

Thanks in advance,

Chris Swann


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 9 and MS Access

[Chris Hill]

Yes, MS Access will open a Legacy database and SQL queries, and updates, 
will work.


That is subject to understanding the format of the tables and the way 
that they are linked, which is not publicly released.


Any changes or effects are down to you and only you.

Regards

Chris

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy 9 and MS Access


Can MS Access open a Legacy 9 database and run queries?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Postings

[Chris Hill]

One answer is that people are using the Legacy group in Facebook, which
also supports images.

Regards

Chris

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020, 15:27 Gary Crull,  wrote:

> I used to get several e-mail postings from the group almost daily.
>
> Now I seldom get any. What happened? I'd think with Covid-19 on the loose,
> activity would have increased, rather than slacked off
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Newspapers - Australia, New Zealand

[Chris Hill]

If you download an image, usually JPG, you can always crop it to just the
part that you need. With suitable tools you should be able to extract the
image from a PDF file and do the same. Also makes it easier to convert the
smaller image to text with OCR.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, 09:16 Ian Thomas,  wrote:

> Cathy – I don’t download the image or PDF from either Trove or Papers Past
> – though I used to, about 4 years ago. My text files contain transcriptions
> that are usually for one individual or for others in the family.  I find
> the text files, apart from being very much smaller than image or PDF, are
> searchable on my computer and thereby help with research. But I need to
> incorporate them into Legacy, as well.
>
>
>
> I.L. Thomas
>
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Cathy Pinner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 3 June 2020 12:22 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Newspapers - Australia, New Zealand
>
>
>
> Ian,
>
> I hope you make your OCR corrections on Trove and then copy and paste the
> OCR'd text to your Legacy event note etc.
> What file are you talking about? I mostly don't download the file for the
> newspaper article or page. If I do, I use an image format and link it to
> the Event.
> The URL, newspaper etc is in the Source attached to the Newspaper event or
> the relevant data field if it was a birth notice etc.
>
> Cathy
>
> Ian Thomas wrote:
>
>
> This is probably a general question.
> Those Australian and NZ papers are made available via "Trove" and "Papers
> Past".
> Apart from confirming or obtaining dates, relationships, places etc from
> the articles, I always transcribe the full text into plain-text files,
> correcting bad OCR. And I always record with the transcribed text, the URL
> and the newspaper name/issue/date and subject.
> I'm wondering if I should attach those files in Legacy, and what is the
> best way.
> I don't research UK or USA newspapers.
>
> I.L. Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location of Legacy Files

[Chris Hill]

Yes, very easy. You can use Options and settings 6.1 and 6.2 to specify
where you want the data and media files located, within the area that
Windows can see.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Mon, 11 May 2020, 00:33 Scott Hall,  wrote:

> Thank you.  That was a clear explanation.  I wonder if I can install (or
> relocate) the Legacy folder in Documents to elsewhere.  Not a big deal
> either way.
>
> Scott
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 2:01 PM Tessa Keough  wrote:
>
>> thank you Brian Kelly for a very clear response - just opened my Windows
>> File Explorer to check on this - and all is good.
>>
>>
>> *Tessa Keough*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 8:44 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> In a normal windows based computer the Legacy Family Tree folder is
>>> located in the user's Documents folder. It looks like your Parallels is
>>> using the Mac side for the user's Windows documents folder so that is
>>> where Legacy created your Legacy Family Tree folder to hold all the user
>>> related data it needs.
>>>
>>> The sub-folders in that folder should include _AppData which Legacy uses
>>> for settings and working files, Data where the user's Data files are
>>> stored by default and a variety of other folders like Media, LegacyFS
>>> (used with the FamilySearch interface module), LegacyCharting
>>> (self-explanatory), Sample-Media (for media belonging to the Sample file
>>> provided with Legacy) and web (for use when creating web pages).
>>>
>>> The first two folders you mention on the Windows side are created by the
>>> install program and contain the program and its support files. You
>>> should not attempt to make any changes to those two folders since they
>>> are in restricted access areas.
>>>
>>> Brian Kelly
>>>
>>> On 10-May-20 11:13 a.m., Scott Hall wrote:
>>> > OK, help me out.  I'm trying to streamline my files.  Legacy seems to
>>> > have files everywhere.
>>> >
>>> > Is there a map showing where Legacy's files are stored?
>>> >
>>> > I am running Legacy on a Mac using Parallels, so some of my confusion
>>> > may relate to the emulator.
>>> >
>>> > I find them here:
>>> > * In C:/Program Files (x86) there is a "Legacy9" folder.  This looks
>>> to
>>> > be the main application with its supporting files.
>>> > * In C:/Program Data there is a "Legacy Family Tree" folder that seems
>>> > to hold nothing other than the Geographic database.
>>> >
>>> > But I also have a Legacy Family Tree folder on the Mac side in
>>> > Document.  This one is the one that baffles me, unless it has
>>> something
>>> > to do how Parallels stores the info.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Location of Legacy Files

[Chris Hill]

It is quite simple, but not always obvious !

C:\Program Files (x86)\Legacy9 is the running executable program and 
its support files. Since Win 8? this file is blocked from normal access 
by applications.


C:\ProgramData is a hidden folder used by Windows to hold 
installation files, and should never be accessed.


x:\Users\\Documents\Legacy Family Tree is the default folder for 
user related data. (In pre-V8 Legacy that was combined with the 
executable files into C;\Legacy...   ) This folder includes the 
configuration files, usually within the _AppData folder, and the user 
data, within the Data and Media folders, unless you move Options 6.1 and 
6.2 to relocate the user data.


Don't know about Parallels but I suspect that it has mapped part of 
the x:\Users\\ structure into the Mac file structure. While you 
could access those from the Mac directly there is always the risk of 
corrupting them.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 10/05/2020 16:13:45
Subject: [LegacyUG] Location of Legacy Files

OK, help me out.  I'm trying to streamline my files.  Legacy seems to 
have files everywhere.


Is there a map showing where Legacy's files are stored?

I am running Legacy on a Mac using Parallels, so some of my confusion 
may relate to the emulator.


I find them here:
* In C:/Program Files (x86) there is a "Legacy9" folder.  This looks to 
be the main application with its supporting files.
* In C:/Program Data there is a "Legacy Family Tree" folder that seems 
to hold nothing other than the Geographic database.


But I also have a Legacy Family Tree folder on the Mac side in 
Document.  This one is the one that baffles me, unless it has something 
to do how Parallels stores the info.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents

[Chris Hill]

One point to think about is what is the image or document are saving, 
since that will have an impact on the way that you name it.


So, for census records I have a folder Census, below that I have COUNTRY 
YEAR, like England 1841 etc. Below those I have images identified by the 
town or village, page number (from the image) and the unique identity 
downloaded from Ancestry etc. That way I can quickly an entry by 
location and year, and can use the same image against multiple people. 
That only changes for the UK 1911 which are uniquely identifiable by the 
head of the family, plus the downloaded name.


For BMD records, I usually list those under /BMD/UK/Birth etc/ and use 
the person, or persons, referred in the image, plus the downloaded name.


Note that I always keep the original file name from the download, since 
this is generally unique and all that I need to do is prefix it to 
identify it.


For locally copied images that is not an issue, but it would be best to 
keep these under control; so John Smith 1, John Smith 2 etc.


Regards

Chris

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To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 09/05/2020 11:01:18
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Naming Images and documents


A good point Jenny. Next week I am going to take a series of imagines from
different generations, and using ideas from those who responded I will try
each one and see what I think.

Regards - June



When you end up with 5,000+ people in your file you would end up with 5,000+
folder and all the duplication!  I would definitely sort by type, not by
individual.

And to address a point made by someone else, duplicated names can be very
confusing, and sometimes they are even born the same year.  The RINs
assigned by Legacy are unique for each individual so there can be no
confusion.  I also use the RIN as part of a UserID, which includes an
indication of which Grandparent branch the person belongs to and which
generation.

Jenny

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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging question

[Chris Hill]

That is more than I did until you asked for help.

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 27/04/2020 18:36:28
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging question


I figured it must be there somewhere!

Thanks for pointing me to that somewhere

On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:37 AM Chris Hill 
 wrote:


Hi

The instructions are in the Help system.

You need to open the Other User-Interface Colours entry.

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 27/04/2020 15:27:31
Subject: [LegacyUG] Tagging question

I use several of the 9 TAGs  available (I have the deluxe registered 
version of Legacy 9)  for various purposes.


But, poking around in settings I see no way as to how to change the 
COLOR on  an individual tag. Am I missing something? It appears it's 
an all or none choice of color!


gary

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Re: [LegacyUG] Tagging question

[Chris Hill]

Hi

The instructions are in the Help system.

You need to open the Other User-Interface Colours entry.

Regards

Chris

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Tagging question

I use several of the 9 TAGs  available (I have the deluxe registered 
version of Legacy 9)  for various purposes.


But, poking around in settings I see no way as to how to change the 
COLOR on  an individual tag. Am I missing something? It appears it's an 
all or none choice of color!


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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy Files Not showing Up in Windows Explorer

[Chris Hill]

Hi

Win 10 will not allow your programs to create files or folders directly 
below C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files (x86), since these are 
restricted to programs. That is being dealt with by using 
C:\Users\.\AppData\Local\VirtualStore as a way to get around that 
limitation, but Explorer does not like following through this unless you 
force it.


With Legacy9 they moved the user files away from the program folder, 
which I think was C:\Legacy, and into C:\Users\.\Documents\Legacy 
Family Tree\ and this is where your should find the settings and the 
sample database. The database would normally be in 
C:\Users\.\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\Data and the media in 
C:\Users\.\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\Media or 
C:\Users\.\Documents\Legacy Family Tree\Data\Sample-Media.


You can change that location within Options 6.1 and 6.2 so that you can 
put your files elsewhere, so mine are in 
E:\Users\Chris\Documents\Chris\Genealogy\Hill and related 
families\Family Tree\ and E:\Users\Chris\Documents\Chris\Genealogy\Hill 
and related families\Family Tree\Media.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 23/04/2020 15:41:06
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy Files Not showing Up in Windows Explorer

Recent family tree files and pdfs of reports are not showing up in the 
proper location.




I googled “files not showing up in Windows Explorer and found this:



The correct answer is because of the "VirtualStore." Programs are 
permitted to write to their "Program Files" folder for legacy reasons, 
but they do not have privileges to do so, so they get transparently 
redirected to "C:\Users\"User"\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files 
(x86)" This causes the files a program saves to its Program Files 
folder to appear there WHEN IN THAT PROGRAM(or other programs that have 
saved to the Program Files before), but not in Explorer, making you 
question your sanity.




Here is where my files are:



C:\Users\tomgw\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files 
(x86)\Legacy9\Data




They should be in C:\Programfiles (x86)\Legacy9\Data



I tried to copy one of the files to the proper location and it said I 
needed administrator privileges to do so. What the heck is going on? 
How do I fix this and stop it from recurring?




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Re: [LegacyUG] Attach Media

[Chris Hill]

You would need to look at some of the 'free' PDF tools like NovaPDF 
since these may have the ability to strip data out of a PDF file. 
Unfortunately, I have not actually tried it myself, since 99.99% of mine 
are from Ancestry and FindMyPast in Jpeg format. Also look at the 
website to see if has an option for Jpegs. Obviously, you can attach it 
as a Document but it will not be included in a report.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 23/04/2020 15:30:59
Subject: [LegacyUG] Attach Media


I am currently downloading Baptism, Death and other records from the German web 
site archion.de. When I try to add them to my media files I am unable to do so. 
I am assuming this is because they are Adobe files. Is there anyway around this 
short printing each one then scanning it in jpeg.

Ray Rhoads
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Re: [LegacyUG] adding illegitimate children

[Chris Hill]

This is easy.

You have a child from the original Mum and Dad parents who has a 
relationship with her step-father. You simply go to the child record in 
the Family view and add her step-father as a 'husband', flagged as not 
being a marriage, and then add her child to that relationship. Also 
works in the case of a child who had a child by her father.


For the child who had a child with no known father, you just add the 
child to her record and let the system create a 'fake, non-existent' 
father (only occurs usually if you create a GEDCOM from it).


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Phil" 
To: "legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com" ; 
"pg51be...@outlook.com" ; "Phil Grace" 


Sent: 22/04/2020 11:51:41
Subject: [LegacyUG] adding illegitimate children

Hello all: This is my first question to ‘the group’ and I trust you 
will be patient while I find my way around.


I have looked at the Legacy help pages and most of the group posts on 
the subject matter but still cannot find the ‘right’ way to achieve the 
results I am trying to create.




The actual situation I’m trying to record comes from a ‘ regular’ 
family where Dad married Mum and they had several children but 
unfortunately Dad died young.


Mum then remarried (her second husband thus becoming stepfather to the 
children from her 1st marriage).




What followed, has caused my recording problem as three of Mum’s  
daughters each had a child prior to marriage.




The biological father of two of those children proved to be the 
aforementioned stepfather – for the 3rd child the father was unknown.


I can’t seem to include the two (stepfathered) children without Mum 
being shown as their mother (she would actually be their grandmother !) 
by virtue of her being the wife of their father (the stepfather, Mum’s 
2nd husband) nor can I avoid the stepfather (the biological father of 
Mum’s daughters’ children) being shown as the husband of Mum’s two 
daughters who bore the stepfather’s two children !




The ‘unknown’ father of the 3rd daughter’s child is less of a problem 
until that daughter marries (but not to ‘unknown’) and starts her own 
family, when her pre-marriage child is then shown as the son of her new 
(1st) husband.




This latter problem also occurs with the other two daughters and their 
pre-marriage children (fathered by the stepfather) when they marry for 
the first time and start their own families with their new (1st) 
husbands.




Please HELP me to record these events correctly.

Many thanks, stay well, best wishes from.Phil Grace



Sent from Mail  for 
Windows 10



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Re: [LegacyUG] Geo location

[Chris Hill]

Hi

You need to set City to Saint Helier and Country to Jersey. I always 
get annoyed that the always extend St to Saint, when we nearly always 
don't.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 16/04/2020 18:22:28
Subject: [LegacyUG] Geo location

I have relatives who were born and died in Jersey in the Channel 
Islands, primarily St. Helier.  I can't seem to get a proper location 
in the Geo database when I try to do a search.


I use "exact" for City, St. Helier, "skip" for County, "contains" for 
State/Provence, Channel islands, "contains, for Country, England.  I 
have tried several different combinations and can't seem to get the 
right combination.


Any ideas?

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Re: [LegacyUG] Faulty Search

[Chris Hill]

Hi Jenny

Just done some tests and Witnesses seem to be weird. But, if I 
search for an Individual with a Witnesses event, shared from a Marriage 
record (MRIN), I do not find any of them, even though they do appear in 
their details. To find them I need to search for the Event Role equal to 
Witnesses and Role equal to Witness.


If I search for a Marriage with a Witnesses event I can get a list 
of people in the marriage but I cannot reduce that to only shared 
events.


So I created a search for an Individual with an Event Role of 
Witnesses / Witness AND an extra Event Date of 6/6/1841. That only got a 
few records, all of which have the 1841 census record and have a 
Witnesses event.


Silly question, did you use AND or OR in your original query?

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Jenny M Benson" 
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 07/04/2020 21:21:50
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Faulty Search


On 07/04/2020 17:41, Chris Hill wrote:


 My guess is that there is a 1841 census record (6 Jun 1841) on the person 
whose marriage she was a witness to. I think that, logically, a shared event is 
always tied back to the original event person rather than the person it is 
shared to.

 Potentially a programming error, but I suspect more likely a case 'we did 
not think about it'. If that is the case it would be a reason to raise it as in 
issue.


That sounded like a very sound idea and I thought you might have cracked it, 
but I changed the 1841 Census date on both of the wedding couple and ran the 
Search again and STILL the wrong person (their witness) appeared in the Search 
List.

-- Jenny M Benson - http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Wrexham, UK

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There is a link at the bottom of these emails to the web site for account
management, where you can unsubscribe yourself.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

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Re: [LegacyUG] Faulty Search

[Chris Hill]

Hi Jenny

Did the other witness already have a 1841 census event?

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020, 21:22 Jenny M Benson,  wrote:

> On 07/04/2020 17:41, Chris Hill wrote:
> >
> >  My guess is that there is a 1841 census record (6 Jun 1841) on the
> > person whose marriage she was a witness to. I think that, logically, a
> > shared event is always tied back to the original event person rather
> > than the person it is shared to.
> >
> >  Potentially a programming error, but I suspect more likely a case
> > 'we did not think about it'. If that is the case it would be a reason to
> > raise it as in issue.
>
> That sounded like a very sound idea and I thought you might have cracked
> it, but I changed the 1841 Census date on both of the wedding couple and
> ran the Search again and STILL the wrong person (their witness) appeared
> in the Search List.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Faulty Search

[Chris Hill]

Hi Jenny

My guess is that there is a 1841 census record (6 Jun 1841) on the 
person whose marriage she was a witness to. I think that, logically, a 
shared event is always tied back to the original event person rather 
than the person it is shared to.


Potentially a programming error, but I suspect more likely a case 
'we did not think about it'. If that is the case it would be a reason to 
raise it as in issue.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Jenny M Benson" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 07/04/2020 17:22:54
Subject: [LegacyUG] Faulty Search


I have set up a Search with 3 elements - individuals with an Event date of 06 
June 1841, related to me and not marked with a particular Hashtag.

I am working through the Search list, adding the people to a certain website 
and setting the relevant Hashtag for each person as I do so.  I have been 
working on this for some time and it has worked perfectly ... until now.

The first person on the Search List now is someone who IS related to me and 
DOES not have any Hashtags, but she only has two Events which are an Alt. 
Baptism Event with a date of 05 October 1817 and a Shared Event (shared from a 
couple's marriage to which she was a Witness) with a date of 25 June 1846.

I do not understand why this person keeps showing up in the Search List.  I have 
done Check & Repair and I have run the Search several times, to no avail.  If I 
change the date in the Search to, say, 01 June 1841, no one is selected, which is 
the expected result.

I previously ran a very similar search with a different date and different hashtag and 
that worked perfectly.  It is just this one person who appears to have a "phantom 
event" with the 06 June 1841 date.

-- Jenny M Benson - http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/
Wrexham, UK

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Re: [LegacyUG] help requested for a focused report

[Chris Hill]

This is a bit of a guess, but possibly you need to

1.Identify all of the individuals that are in the cemetery and then 
tag them. Hopefully you can do that through the search and create a list 
of people, then options and advanced tagging followed by Everyone in 
Search List and put a tag then them.


2.From Publishing Centre, select Individual Report and then set that 
to process everyone with the tag set. I needed to set it up, and then 
close and reopen the publishing centre to get it to work.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 18/02/2020 14:09:32
Subject: [LegacyUG] help requested for a focused report

I've explored the manual and have not found the steps to create a 
report of all my relatives buried in a selected cemetery in a selected 
town,  Your suggestions will be helpful.  Thank you.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Lists - Surnames and area

[Chris Hill]

Hi

From View and Name List, take Options and Print to get to the List 
Report Options, where can specify the fields to be extracted. At the 
bottom right there are options for Screen/Printer, CSV or PDF. Take the 
CSV version and Create. Let it create the file and then you can open it.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "marion wimsett" <2wi...@gmail.com>
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 14/02/2020 13:01:22
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lists - Surnames and area

I have made a name list and then added Birth, Christening. Death and 
Burial Places but so far I have not found a way to save it as a .csv 
file – all I can do is to print or save it as a pdf file or a jpg file.




Any thoughts or ideas?



Marion





If the power of love could overcome the love of power what a wonderful 
world this would be!




From: Chris Hill <mailto:chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, 14 February 2020 4:33 PM
To: Legacy User Group <mailto:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com>
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Lists - Surnames and area



How about using the name list with the name plus the locations and 
times for birth, baptism, death, burial, marriage and event. Put that 
into an .CSV file and then use Excel to group them by location so that 
you can group people by location.


Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+



On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, 07:01 , <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote:

Somewhere in the deep recess of my brain I am sure I remembered making 
a list of the surnames in my tree plus the various areas associated 
with the surnames.


It must have been in another lifetime as I have no recollection of how 
I achieved this. I am fairly sure that I managed to get it into a 
spreadsheet – but that has joined the ether as well.


If this can be achieved could someone please give me simple steps as 
to how I can do it – or is it merely something I dreamt about??




Many thanks



IMarion

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world this would be!









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Re: [LegacyUG] Lists - Surnames and area

[Chris Hill]

How about using the name list with the name plus the locations and times
for birth, baptism, death, burial, marriage and event. Put that into an
.CSV file and then use Excel to group them by location so that you can
group people by location.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 14 Feb 2020, 07:01 , <2wi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhere in the deep recess of my brain I am sure I remembered making a
> list of the surnames in my tree plus the various areas associated with the
> surnames.
>
> It must have been in another lifetime as I have no recollection of how I
> achieved this. I am fairly sure that I managed to get it into a spreadsheet
> – but that has joined the ether as well.
>
> If this can be achieved could someone please give me simple steps as to
> how I can do it – or is it merely something I dreamt about??
>
>
>
> Many thanks
>
>
>
> I *Marion *
>
> *If the power of love could overcome the love of power what a wonderful
> world this would be*!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How to print a chart in landscape,

[Chris Hill]

Hi

Just tried on my Brother DCP-J4120DW printer and it will format in 
both portrait and landscape depending on how I set it within Print Setup 
option under the main menu, below the chart symbol in top left.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 10/02/2020 12:35:04
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to print a chart in landscape,

I used to print my charts in landscape mode but now they all print 
portrait. I have a new Brother printer is this may have cause of my 
problem.

looking forward to some helpful suggestion Valerie
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Re: [LegacyUG] import tree from Family search

[Chris Hill]

FamilyTree is really in two parts. One is based on hard evidence, 
based on information that anyone can verify - like marriages, baptisms, 
censuses etc were one can match the people. Also on family records known 
personally. The other part, like all of the trees in Ancestry etc, are 
based in information provided by its users - that might be good, but 
equally it might be wrong. Ultimately, it depends on how good the 
resources were and how accurately were they interpreted,19th and 20th 
century records should provide correct information, but even with those 
I have found Ancestry trees which have errors in 1901 census matches. 
Pre-19th century you really have to make your own analysis of them. 
Obviously, if tracing someone well known, ennobled, royalty etc then 
they are probably good.


And anyone who can produce a tree going back to 300 BC, which I have 
seen, is basically lying.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
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To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: "Steve Ostheimer" 
Sent: 09/02/2020 18:30:35
Subject: [LegacyUG] import tree from Family search

When I import a tree from Family search I will go one level up and one 
level down once I have checked Census and marriage license and birth 
records. I import that tree. Watching one of the legacy family tree 
webinars, it said you go go up 100 and down 100. So I tried up 20 and 
down 20 on a test Legacy tree and 18 hours later and 42379 family 
members added. I

did a family tree view and there is only one tree,
How many have done this and can you really trust everything imported. I 
have douts.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Removing notes from family tree

[Chris Hill]

On the GEDCOM Export dio9splay, select the Customise button (bottom 
right). Within that you have the ability to decide which parts of your 
tree you want to include/exclude The Notes are probably NOTE, MNOTE and 
RNOTE.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 08/02/2020 14:12:43
Subject: [LegacyUG] Removing notes from family tree

I have a large tree that I am wanting to make a gedcom from with all 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

[Chris Hill]

Probably nothing to do with Microsoft updates, but probably going to cause
issues with anti-virus software (MS Defender?) or with connections to
websites and servers, like the Legacy backup, MyHeritage etc.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020, 22:58 CE WOOD,  wrote:

> Why the rush?
>
> There is a major Microsoft update, varying push dates, that will install
> automatically no matter what.
> IT experts recommend waiting until AFTER the update because it will change
> so many things.
>
> What doom awaits tomorrow, the 26th?
>
>
> ​CE
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> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 22, 2020 10:33 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff
>
> ANNOUNCEMENT:
>
> We just released an update that is a priority. This update has our new
> Windows security certificates which will be good for 3 years. Please update
> before January 26, 2020.
>
> If you are a Legacy Deluxe user you can update via the Legacy home tab. If
> you are a free standard version user you can update here:
>
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadUpdate.asp
>
> You can also see the complete Revision List for this update here:
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory9.asp
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
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Re: [LegacyUG] Windows Defender

[Chris Hill]

No problem with me and correctly loads the web page for Legacy News in 
Chrome from Legacy Home, and can also run a search on Google.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Jack Earnshaw" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 23/01/2020 12:09:08
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows Defender


Thanks for your comments - .339 installed OK and running, but still can't
see Legacy News on Home Page "Make sure you are connected to the internet
and then click here to retrieve the latest news items.". Similarly, Check
for Updates won't work as it tells me (eventually) that I need to be
connected to the internet.
Using Windows 10 vsn 1909, and only Windows Security running as security
package

Jack

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Ian Thomas
Sent: 23 January 2020 01:58
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Windows Defender

That is a precautionary feature of Windows / Windows Defender - which you
have correctly responded to, Jack.

Windows Defender gives that response to any executable / installer that
hasn't been "marked" to enable an "over-ride". You can make an alteration to
Windows that always allows an installer to go ahead - but clicking to allow
installation is seldom a worry or inconvenience to me, so I leave things as
they are.

Long ago (7 years+) I abandoned all the paid anti-malware products, and the
free versions like AVG, because Windows for a long time has had more than
adequate protection via its built-in products, especially since Windows
8/8.1/10.

But in my opinion, anyone persisting with Windows 7 is foolhardy.

I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


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From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jack Earnshaw
Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2020 7:18 AM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

Went to the Legacy web site and downloaded the update. Windows wouldn't run
it as was blocked by Windows Defender. Managed to override this by "run
anyway". Updated OK, but won't allow any access to the internet when
running. Presumably there is a setting in Windows Defender that needs to be
altered. Tried a couple of them but these haven't cured it.
Any ideas?
Jack

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On
Behalf Of Jack Earnshaw
Sent: 22 January 2020 22:48
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

I can't "check for updates" as the program says I am not connected to the
internet. Same for Legacy News on the home page. I am connected and even
restarted my machine in case there was a glitch. Is there a problem at the
Legacy end?

Jack




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Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy update still not working

[Chris Hill]

A 'File could not be locked' error usually applies when opening an 
Access database which the system thinks is already open. Access creates 
a lock file .ldb when it opens a file and removes it when it closes. 
The main Legacy database, .fdb, is actually an Access database and 
opening that will create the .ldb file. If it is still present after 
the program is closed it will stop the file being 'reopened'. Sometimes 
clears after a reboot or might to be deleted manually after a reboot. 
May also apply to the x~hdb.hdb and some of the various .dbm 
files that Legacy uses.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 23/01/2020 11:43:10
Subject: [LegacyUG] Legacy update still not working


Hallo all,

I downloaded the update via my existing program (German). Download was
ok, the new version is existing on my laptop now. But when I try to open
the program I get following message:

Error Opening Message File  - Datei konnte nicht gesperrt werden

I never wanted to "sperren" (means lock) the data.

I tried the download again - without a firewall, nothing changed.

I don't know where to look for this message. Can anybody help?

Eva


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Re: [LegacyUG] Announcement from the staff

[Chris Hill]

Well my copy of Norton had no issues with the auto-update from the Legacy
program.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 22 Jan 2020, 19:57 Ronald Plaisted, 
wrote:

> My norton security will not let me install this update
>
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 11:34 AM Michele Lewis <
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com> wrote:
>
>> ANNOUNCEMENT:
>>
>> We just released an update that is a priority. This update has our new
>> Windows security certificates which will be good for 3 years. Please
>> update
>> before January 26, 2020.
>>
>> If you are a Legacy Deluxe user you can update via the Legacy home tab. If
>> you are a free standard version user you can update here:
>>
>> https://legacyfamilytree.com/DownloadUpdate.asp
>>
>> You can also see the complete Revision List for this update here:
>> https://legacyfamilytree.com/RevisionHistory9.asp
>>
>>
>> Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
>> Legacy Educator
>> Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
>> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
>> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>>
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Tags to Print

[Chris Hill]

Easy, just run a Search for Individuals with the specified Tag set, 
generating a Search list. Then from Options and Print you can list the 
Individuals and control the fields selected.


Regards

Chris

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Tags to Print


T would like to Print a list of ancestors I have tagged no.3

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Re: [LegacyUG] PDF or Text File, unable to save

[Chris Hill]

How long it would take will be dependent on
The report that you are generating.The number of people in the 
report.How complex have you set the report.Do you include embedded 
photos and how large are they.memory and disk space on your PC.
I have just run a Descendent Narrative on my 
Great-Great-Great-Grandfather, which took a few minutes and generated a 
145 page PDF, with embedded photos, for about 1400 people. 
Interestingly, some of the images are missing, which I suspect that 
might be because they are shared from a person not included in the 
report (wife's father censuses etc).


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 17/01/2020 18:14:25
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] PDF or Text File, unable to save



Cynthia N. Russell 
11:14 AM (1 hour ago)
to LEGACY
I would like to set up a PDF, preferred or a Text File. Have tried both 
and when trying to set up all that happens is 'collecting' that never 
completes or stops, therefore no results.


I am trying to save and print an INDIVIDUAL report.

I apologize for not leaving complete information!




On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 11:53 AM Chris Hill 
 wrote:

Which report are you trying to generate as a file?

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 17/01/2020 16:14:31
Subject: [LegacyUG] PDF or Text File, unable to save

I would like to set up a PDF, preferred or a Text File. Have tried 
both and when trying to set up all that happens is 'collecting' that 
never completes or stops, therefore no results.


What do I need to do? I am puzzled. I have used Legacy for years and 
wondering if I am skipping a step.  Baby step assistance would be 
appreciated.


CDR
fergusresearc...@gmail.com

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Re: [LegacyUG] PDF or Text File, unable to save

[Chris Hill]

Which report are you trying to generate as a file?

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 17/01/2020 16:14:31
Subject: [LegacyUG] PDF or Text File, unable to save

I would like to set up a PDF, preferred or a Text File. Have tried both 
and when trying to set up all that happens is 'collecting' that never 
completes or stops, therefore no results.


What do I need to do? I am puzzled. I have used Legacy for years and 
wondering if I am skipping a step.  Baby step assistance would be 
appreciated.


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Re: [LegacyUG] Reports for General Notes

[Chris Hill]

Hi Debbie

You need to be aware about the differences between .JPG and .PDF files,
since they are designed for different tasks.

A JPG file is simply a scan of an image, from a camera or a scan. As such
it is easy to include it within a report since all that is needed is to
convert it to a printable form and position it on a page.

A PDF file is much more complex having been designed as a method to convert
a printable form into a document, from which it can be printed on any
printer. As such it will include both text and images, spread over multiple
pages. That throws multiple problems in imbedding it into a report - how
can you place a multi-page report within the middle of a report.

Most cases you would use a JPG for images, as a scan or photo. A PDF would
be used for an existing report, which you would then merge into a new
report, either by merging it into a newly generated PDF report or by
printing it and combining it with a print from a new report.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 5 Jan 2020, 20:50 Debbie Medeiros,  wrote:

> Cathy, I was able to get the general notes done with your direction, but
> I'm having problems with the media files. Some of my files are jpeg and
> others are pdf. It doesn't look like the pdf files are showing up on the
> print preview. Under the picture scrapbook options, I have checked off
> include picture files and document files. Hopefully, I will be able to
> figure it out.
>
> Thank you for your help.
> Debbie
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 7:47 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
>
>> Debbie
>> To see all General Notes.
>> Do a Detailed Search (Search > Find > Detailed Search tab
>> for
>> IndividualNotes-GeneralNot equal to[enter nothing]
>> That will create a Search List of everyone who has General Notes.
>> In the Search list click the Options button then Print if you are using
>> Legacy 9. In earlier versions you'll see a Print button.
>> Customise the Print so that it includes General Notes and any other data
>> you want. (This time in the list of field you can include you'll find
>> "General Notes")
>>
>> To see all Media captions and descriptions.
>> Go to Reports > Other Reports > Scrapbook.
>> Choose what media you want and then click the Print Media File List
>> button and you will see there are more options re what to print,
>> including the caption and description.
>> To change the caption and descriptions you'll need to go to each Media
>> Gallery or use the Picture Centre. If an image has been attached more
>> than once, I don't think editing the caption etc there will change it
>> everywhere it is already attached. However if you are adding caption etc
>> in the Picture Centre BEFORE attaching the image to anything, then the
>> same caption etc will be included when you attach using the Picture
>> Centre.
>> You can carry the caption etc from one Media Gallery and add to another
>> Gallery by right clicking on the relevant media item and choosing Copy.
>> This uses the Legacy Media Clipboard and you can go to another Gallery,
>> right click an empty space and choose Paste to paste media item together
>> with its caption etc.
>>
>> Don't forget to click and read the Help on each screen when you need to
>> know more about that part of the program.
>>
>> Cathy
>>
>> > Debbie Medeiros 
>> > Sunday, 5 January 2020 4:11 AM
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know if you can run a report with the information that is
>> > in all the Notes General section? I want to see how I have put the
>> > notes in for everyone in the database, so I can be consistent.
>> > I also want to run a report with the media gallery under Display
>> > Picture to find how I put in the Caption, Date and Description
>> > information.
>> >
>> > Thank you for any help you can provide.
>> > Debbie
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Locations file store

[Chris Hill]

Most probably - I have just opened it with Access and there are multiple 
references, in multiple tables, to various settings for Options. Not one 
that I would want to change without having the Legacy source code and 
understanding of what and how they work.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 04/01/2020 17:08:57
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Locations file store


I do not think those are in any .usr file. Most of, if not all, the choices made 
in Options > Customize are stored in the App-Data/Usr/Profile.dbm file.

Brian Kelly

On 04-Jan.-20 9:51 a.m., JoPoi wrote:

Hi

Does anyone know which of the USR files stores the Locations selections
(as in Customise 6.1 etc etc)

Jo




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Re: [LegacyUG] Occupation Description

[Chris Hill]

Interesting word, and I needed to look it up in the OED.

It could be used but it is 'a minor occupation' and originated in the 
middle 17th century.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 21/12/2019 18:46:08
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Occupation Description


How about entering a new description, such as "avocation"?

On Friday, November 29, 2019, 8:55:47 PM EST, Leon Chapman 
 wrote:



That’s how I would do it.



Happy Holidays!



++

Leon Chapman

+





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Sent: Friday, November 29, 2019 5:52 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Cc: Howland Davis 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Occupation Description



   I have an individual in my Legacy file that played banjo with a 
group in the 1930s.  Do I put, as an event, Occupation with played 
banjo as the description?  Or have others used a different event/fact 
word for band members/musicians/etc.?


   Your thought would be greatly appreciated.



Howland Davis



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Re: [LegacyUG] Problem with adding siblings

[Chris Hill]

This will be dependent on what more you know.

It seems that he has a mother, Olive, presumably related to his father, but
in which way - married, partner, step marriage. Do he and her have the same
surname?

Now he has two siblings, or step-siblings. Are they related to the mother?
Are they related to his father and in which way? Do did these appear - from
a will, newspaper etc?

>From what you have said it seems that you do not have sufficient
information. Potentially, you could create two new marriages to two Unknown
Mother and then attached the new siblings to them, so that he has three
marriages and three children, all of which will be step-siblibg to each
other. If you then can identify that the mothers are actually the same you
can just Merge them together.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 15 Dec 2019, 21:27 ,  wrote:

> Hello
>
> I havea  man called Robert, no father named and in will he names two
> brothers Thomas and John.
>
> I put an unknown Olive as the father and tried to add the three brothers -
> in one instance John & Thomas have a half brother Robert and when I attempt
> it again Robert has two half brothers.
>
> e.g.
>
> 1. Unknown Olive (father of all three)
>
> Children:
> Thomas
> John
> half brother Robert
>
> 2. Unknown Olive (father of all three
>
> Children:
> Robert
> half brothers Thomas & John
>
> I do not seem able to fix this.  Please what am I doing wrong?
>
> Yours sincerely
>
> Anne Wiltshire
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Limitations to Legacy 9.0 Standard Edition

[Chris Hill]

I have the Deluxe version and I have generated a chart for 11 
generations, not that I would want to print it.


Not certain if the standard version has limits, but I did need to 
increase the number of generations on the toolbar.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 06/12/2019 13:40:19
Subject: [LegacyUG] Limitations to Legacy 9.0 Standard Edition


Hello everybody,



I just found out that Legacy Charting's is limited to four generations 
in the Standard (free) edition.




Are there any such limitations in the number of persons or generations 
in the Legacy 9.0 Standard Edition (free) software?




Thank you in advance for any help,



Estelle Nadeau

nade...@hotmail.com


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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

Hi John

I quite agree, Legacy will be stuck with ANSI until they rewrite it. 
Given that there is also pressure, from its users, for a Mac version, 
and presumably a Linux version, they have a need to develop a new 
program and database that is multi-OS compatible. Hopefully, with the 
support from MyHeritage, this will happen, but MH also owns Family Tree 
Builder so it might put pressure on merging with it.


Regards

Chris

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Sent: 27/11/2019 14:26:14
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Chris,



During my 41-year career I've been a software developer, software 
architect, and CTO, including a five-year period where my team 
developed commercial applications in VB6. Since 1999 I've had a couple 
of side-project applications implemented in VB6. My focus now is .NET. 
As discussed on the site you mentioned and others, there are challenges 
to implementing Unicode-aware VB6 applications. Other sites describe 
how to meet those challenges. A couple techniques we used were 
Unicode-aware component packages and TLBs for access to wide-character 
functions. Perhaps the technology infrastructure Legacy uses has an 
ANSI-only component baked-in and switching it out would require a 
rewrite-level effort. If so, they'd never rewrite in VB6 now so the 
effective result is "we can't support Unicode until we abandon VB6".




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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

 from Win CharMap eg. in the Notes field, i just tried

ke 27. marrask. 2019 klo 1.48 John Cardinal (jfcardi...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:


 Chris Hill wrote:

 > NO, the issue is that native VB6 only uses API interfaces

 > that are limited to ANSI.



 Chris,



 That's not true. I've built a dozen or so commercial programs in VB6 that 
read/write/manipulate Unicode data, including reading and writing UTF-8 files, 
presenting data entry screens, running reports, etc. A few are still being 
used. Perhaps there are old third-party components that are not Unicode-aware, 
but VB6 was certainly not limited to ANSI, API or otherwise. VB^ used in MS 
Access? I have only done some light scripting there so I don't know what issue 
Unicode may have presented there.


 The string type in VB6 used "wide" characters (as they were called then), 16-bits each. It's true that one 
had to be careful when calling Windows APIs directly and call the correct "W" methods. Calling Windows APIs 
directly was probably less than 15% of the code in my applications. To write a UTF-8 file, one had to use the 
"binary" version of the Open File statement ("Open FileSpec For Binary Access Write …") and then 
convert the chars to UTF-8 before using the PUT call to write the text, but any reasonably-accomplished VB6 programmer 
knew how to do that. The details escape me, but using binary I/O may only have been necessary when low-level control 
was required, such as reading/writing the Byte-Order-Mark (BOM).



 Of course, VB6 was very easy to use and so there were a lot of junior-level 
programmers who may have been flummoxed by working with Unicode, but that's not 
the fault of VB6.



 John

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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

In theory they are separate businesses, but hopefully MH would help or
provide development resources.

The question is how that would impact on the Legacy product and in which
way.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 22:35 Benjamin Woznick,  wrote:

> Interesting. And how does this all fit with the very internationally
> oriented owner MyHeritage?
>
> Ben
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Hill
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:19 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
>
>
>
> Very nice for modern software, but Legacy is basically 20 years old and
> based on VB6 which dates from 1998.
>
> What we need us for Legacy to be rewritten to current standards.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> From my Motorola G6+
>
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:00 Otso Havu,  wrote:
>
> I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨
>
> How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
> Alternate Names  ?!
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
> (chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > That does not work.
> >
> > Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> > an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> > save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Otso Havu" 
> > To: "Legacy User Group" 
> > Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> > >special characters.
> > >See Char-map bottom line
> > >č  contains U+010D
> > >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> > >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> > >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> > >
> > >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
> > >>
> > >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> > >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> > >>
> > >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> > >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern
> European special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > John
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> > >>  >
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that
> supports inserting special characters.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into
> Legacy…
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > A
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of Jon M
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Trying the character map within W

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

Very nice for modern software, but Legacy is basically 20 years old and
based on VB6 which dates from 1998.

What we need us for Legacy to be rewritten to current standards.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:00 Otso Havu,  wrote:

> I tested RootsMagic and Ancestral Quest. Those accept Unicode names.¨
>
> How to help using Special characters ::: Allow Unicode just in
> Alternate Names  ?!
>
> ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 21.23 Chris Hill
> (chris.hill.11he...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
> >
> > That does not work.
> >
> > Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on
> > an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then
> > save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: "Otso Havu" 
> > To: "Legacy User Group" 
> > Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> >
> > >Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
> > >special characters.
> > >See Char-map bottom line
> > >č  contains U+010D
> > >Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
> > >value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
> > >to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.
> > >
> > >ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
> > >>
> > >>  Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
> > >>  Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre
> > >>
> > >>  ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
> > >>  (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern
> European special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > John
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: Andrew Robbie
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
> > >>  >
> > >>  > To: 'Legacy User Group'
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that
> supports inserting special characters.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into
> Legacy…
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > A
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > From: LegacyUserGroup 
> On Behalf Of Jon M
> > >>  > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
> > >>  > To: Legacy User Group 
> > >>  > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Thanks Ian and Otso,
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried.
> Thank you both for the suggestions.
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Cheers, Jon
> > >>  >
> > >>  > (Sent from a mobile device)
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  >
> > >>  > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas 
> wrote:
> > >>  >
> > >>  > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list,
> Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
> > >>  >
> > >>  > I.L. Thomas
> > >>  > Victoria Park, Western Australia
> > >>  >
> &g

Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

NO, the issue is that native VB6 only uses API interfaces that are limited
to ANSI.

The underlaying database is MS Access, which natively supports Unicode, so
I assume that the interfaces within VB are where they are limited to ANSI.

Yes, there are methods to use Unicode with VB but that seems not to be used
within Legacy, and they would need to develop an Unicode version of API to
Access.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 20:28 John Cardinal,  wrote:

> Chris,
>
>
>
> It's easy to support 16-bit Unicode characters in VB6. There are a few
> places where a program has to be careful to use the "W" version of a
> Windows API call (not the "A" version), but that's a well-understood issue
> and unlikely to be a significant problem. The 16-bit subset of Unicode
> covers every character anyone reading this message cares about, but is not
> the full set of Unicode characters.
>
>
>
> So, if VB6 is not the issue, what is? My guess is that the database layer
> in Legacy uses FoxPro or some other database component that uses 8-bit
> characters and the old Windows "code page" approach to character encoding.
> If so, that's where the limitation lies.
>
>
>
> John
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

That does not work.

Yes, it will happily put an extended character WITHIN a Notes field on 
an event, but will not accept them into a name or location etc. But then 
save the event and reopen it, and the characters have disappeared.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Otso Havu" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 26/11/2019 18:52:46
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Windows Character Map contains also the key combinations to type these
special characters.
See Char-map bottom line
č  contains U+010D
Press and hold down the ALT key while you type the four number Unicode
value for the character. Note that NUM LOCK must be on, and you have
to use the number pad keys to type the Unicode character value.

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 20.25 Otso Havu (otso.h...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:


 Do not use Word, use Wordpad instead.
 Word  contains plenty of control codes that may look bizarre

 ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 19.09 Andrew Robbie
 (andrew.rob...@comcast.net) kirjoitti:
 >
 > Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?
 >
 >
 >
 > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au
 > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
 > To: 'Legacy User Group' 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
special characters turn into bizarre symbols.
 >
 >
 >
 > John
 >
 >
 >
 > From: Andrew Robbie
 >
 > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM
 >
 > To: 'Legacy User Group'
 >
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
inserting special characters.
 >
 >
 >
 > Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into Legacy…
 >
 >
 >
 > A
 >
 >
 >
 > From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Jon M
 > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
 > To: Legacy User Group 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 >
 >
 > Thanks Ian and Otso,
 >
 >
 >
 > Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. Thank you 
both for the suggestions.
 >
 >
 > Cheers, Jon
 >
 > (Sent from a mobile device)
 >
 >
 >
 > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:
 >
 > Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, Windows 
Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)
 >
 > I.L. Thomas
 > Victoria Park, Western Australia
 >
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Otso Havu
 > Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
 > To: Legacy User Group 
 > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy
 >
 > Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.
 >
 > Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- look 
for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :
 > select a character, pick and paste to Legacy
 >
 > ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:
 > >
 > > Jon,
 > >
 > > Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
 > > in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
 > > Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
 > > square at the top of it to see all characters.
 > > I don't think the one you want is available.
 > >
 > > Cathy
 > >
 > >
 > > > Jon M 
 > > > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
 > > > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
 > > > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of individuals
 > > > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have special
 > > > characters.
 > > >
 > > > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
 > > > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
 > > > Is this possible?
 > > >
 > > > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
 > > > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
 > > >
 > > > Thank you!
 > > > Jon
 > > >
 > > >
 > > >
 > >
 > >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

[Chris Hill]

This is a very well known issue with Legacy.

Partially it is because they do not support Unicoded text, and not said 
when it will do. They might be because the core of the program was 
developed, and still is, in Visual Basic V6. That might be limiting on 
the character sets that it can support, though it is strange that a 
development system from 1998 would not have support for more character 
sets.


Digging into the VB Forums I found this : Yes and no. For yes, VB 
strings can hold 16-bit characters and is thus Unicode compatible. The 
problems come from several directions: 1. Strings passed to API are 
converted to ANSI and vice versa; 2. Reading a file to a string is done 
by automatically converting ANSI to Unicode; 3. The same applies when 
saving: string is converted to ANSI; 4.  Visual Basic controls are not 
Unicode aware


The problem is the conversion to ANSI, which will trim out any other 
character; and potentially the developers have put tighter limitations 
on the character set.


This might not actually be a limitation - it would be possible to store 
the text in a Unicode acceptable format. Equally, there are Unicode 
aware controls available, and using code pages would help to control it.


Of course the question is whether the developers want to resolve the 
issue with the current version - lots of effort - or should they being 
developing a more modern version of the software, which would do it 
natively.


See 
http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?365738-Classic-VB-Does-Visual-Basic-6-support-Unicode


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Andrew Robbie" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 26/11/2019 17:08:34
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy


Ah, not good.  Did you log a bug?



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of johnbernac...@iprimus.com.au

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 10:17 PM
To: 'Legacy User Group' 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Pasting from MS Word works until you save it. Then the Eastern European 
special characters turn into bizarre symbols.




John



From:Andrew Robbie 

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 1:37 PM

To:'Legacy User Group' 

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



You can always copy/paste from something like MS Word that supports 
inserting special characters.




Or the ‘Alt’ + numeric keypad short cut should work directly into 
Legacy…




A



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Jon M

Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 8:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy



Thanks Ian and Otso,



Trying the character map within Windows 10 does not work. I tried. 
Thank you both for the suggestions.



Cheers, Jon

(Sent from a mobile device)



On Mon, Nov 25, 2019, 5:29 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

Possibly the Windows Accessories group, then 2nd item in the list, 
Windows Character Map (for Windows 10, English language)


I.L. Thomas
Victoria Park, Western Australia


-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Otso Havu

Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2019 8:00 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Using special alphabet characters in Legacy

Sorry, I have a Finnish Win so help is only approximate now.

Start > roll to  Windows tools --- just after Windows Power shell --- 
look for a topless pyramide with special characters : select it :

select a character, pick and paste to Legacy

ti 26. marrask. 2019 klo 1.35 Cathy Pinner (genea...@gmail.com) 
kirjoitti:

>
> Jon,
>
> Not all characters can be used in Legacy. Those that can be used are
> in the Character Map in the program. Make sure it is on at Options >
> Customise 4.6. Then when you see this Character Ribbon, click the
> square at the top of it to see all characters.
> I don't think the one you want is available.
>
> Cathy
>
>
> > Jon M 
> > Tuesday, 26 November 2019 5:06 AM
> > Can someone point me in the right direction on how to use special
> > alphabet characters in Legacy? I have a large portion of 
individuals
> > in the tree from Lithuania and Slovenia. Both alphabets have 
special

> > characters.
> >
> > For example, I have a last name of Janaviče in Lithuanian, and I
> > would like to be able to have the lower "C" hachek used in Legacy.
> > Is this possible?
> >
> > My Windows 10 software is using English as the primary language.
> > Note, I do not speak or write in either of these languages.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Surname Changed When Immigrated

[Chris Hill]

And it happened elsewhere. I found a family in Cornwall, UK with 14
different spellings spread across Census and BMD records - damn difficult
tracking them down.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 23:05 Roberta Schwalm, 
wrote:

> I've seen a few dillies myself.  My father's surname was Schwalm but I
> have seen it written as Schwaten!  His mother's maiden name was Jung but on
> her record of marriage it is entered as Yung because of the way the German
> "J" is pronounced.
>
> As for my mother's Snoddy side of the family, although the correct
> spelling is Snoddy, I have seen it as Snoddie, Snowdy, Snowddy.
>
> I guess it all depended on how the person recording the names understood
> them as a great many people, even in the early 1900s were illiterate and
> neither knew how to read nor write.
>
> Roberta Schwalm
>
> On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 4:43 PM Cathy Vallevieni 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the input.  I now know how to properly enter both
>> surnames.
>>
>> Thank you, Laura, for sending the links.  I will check them out.
>>
>> Cathy Vallevieni
>> 714 389-6374 Home
>> 714 227-4948 Cell
>>
>> On 11/23/2019 1:16 PM, Laura Johnson wrote:
>> > the so called ledgers were the ships manifests - those were done at
>> > the port of departure.
>> >
>> > Here are a few good articles to let you know what really happened
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/ask-smithsonian-did-ellis-island-officials-really-change-names-immigrants-180961544/
>> >
>> >
>> > https://www.genealogy.com/articles/research/88_donna.html
>> >
>> > https://www.nypl.org/blog/2013/07/02/name-changes-ellis-island
>> >
>> > https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/04/29/ellis-island-names/
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/23/2019 3:06 PM, Christopher Seward Sr. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Marie,
>> >>
>> >> I would disagree with that first statement.  In my years of doing
>> >> research, I have heard stories where the workers at Ellis Island
>> >> entered names into the ledgers incorrectly.  If they were unable to
>> >> discern the name from the ships manifest, they would of write down
>> >> the names as THEY understood the passengers.  I have examples in my
>> >> own family where a Braun from Prussia was listed as Brown because the
>> >> person at intake determined that the immigrant should "Americanize"
>> >> their name.
>> >>
>> >> As for the second part of your statement...I agree.  I do believe
>> >> that the AKA field i the best place to notate that.
>> >>
>> >> Ciao,
>> >> Christopher
>> >>
>> >> On 11/23/2019 2:56 PM, mvmcgrs--- via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> First, the name was not changed at Ellis Island. The manifests were
>> >>> made in the country that they departed from. They probably made the
>> >>> change themselves to make the name easier to pronounce and spell.
>> >>> They may have done it legally, [through the courts] but more likely
>> >>> they just started to use the new spelling.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm using Legacy 8 and there is an AKA (4th logo from the right) it
>> >>> looks like a group of people. You can add the name that they used in
>> >>> Italy or the one used in the US, your choice. You can cite the
>> >>> source (census, birth record, marriage record, etc) for each
>> >>> individual time you find the name. Then use the other name in
>> database.
>> >>>
>> >>> Marie
>> >>>
>> >>> Marie Varrelman Melchiori, Certified Genealogist Emeritus
>> >>> __ __ __
>> >>> CG or Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for
>> >>> Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Board-certified
>> >>> genealogists after periodic competency evaluation, and the board
>> >>> name is registered in the US Patent & Trademark Office.
>> >>> In a message dated 11/23/2019 2:53:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>> >>> cathyv...@cox.net writes:
>> >>>
>> >>> My great grandfather had the surname Vallevegni in Italy.
>> >>>
>> >>> When the family immigrated to the U.S. it changed to Vallevieni
>> >>> which
>> >>> they used from then on (probably changed at Ellis Island).
>> >>>
>> >>> How should I enter 2 surnames in Legayc?
>> >>>
>> >>> -- Cathy Vallevieni
>> >>> 714 389-6374 Home
>> >>> 714 227-4948 Cell
>> >>>
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>> >>
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Re: [LegacyUG] How do I print a chart

[Chris Hill]

Hi

On the Individual's Information display, click on the Privacy 
Settings button and then select the Invisible option. They will not be 
included in reports or exports unless the settings for the report or 
export explicitly include Invisible people, which you can control within 
the report settings..


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Valerie Garton" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 15/11/2019 09:33:55
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I print a chart


I wish I could do that for myself sometimes but how do I do that on Legacy
please ?

Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of
Cathy Pinner
Sent: Friday, 15 November 2019 3:14 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How do I print a chart

Temporarily make them Invisible and don't include Invisible people in your
chart.

Cathy


 Valerie Garton  Friday, 15 November 2019
 11:53 AM

 without children's spouses ?

 Cheers from Valerie Garton [nee Vaughan] in sunny Sydney






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Re: [LegacyUG] Photos

[Chris Hill]

The problem with loss of quality saving JPG images is inherently 
built into the design of the JPG structure. That said, there are a 
couple of options.


1. If saving as JPG, the usual is to always ensure that you keep the 
quality level to Maximum. I have just looked a marriage record, 
downloaded from Ancestry, with Photoshop CS5 and used Save As to JPG. 
The Quality is defaulting to 8 (High) but can be raised to 12 (Maximum). 
The original file was sized as being 363KB; High suggests a size of 602K 
and Maximum suggests a size of 1300KB. The implication of that is that 
the original image was only at Quality size 3 (Low). I just created a 
Quality 12 version and did a Difference match against the original. Also 
saved it as Quality 3 and did compared that against the Quality 12 and 
the original versions. In all of the tests it did not show any 
differences that were visible. I rather suspect that it would be 
different if it was a full colour photograph.


2.The general rule with editing JPG images is to first convert it to 
a non-compressed image, such as .TIFF or .PSD. Then do all of the work 
on that and finally save it again to a .JPG.


I rather suspect that the quality of JPG editing is better now than 
it used to be. Certainly I can recall hearing about a photo being saved 
in JPG which removed the Red lights on the top of masts. Problems like 
this will generally happen if you make a number of edits to JPGs with 
multiple save and reopen steps between them, and more so if you use Low 
Quality.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Ian Macaulay" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 28/10/2019 16:14:32
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Photos


Yep, that is indeed true,  Can you provide a better simple method?

Ian

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 11:45 AM David Paine  wrote:
Regarding Ian Macaulay’s suggestion about rotating an image in a photo 
editor…




When rotating a jpeg image in many photo editors, the rotation is 
lossy which can cause minor image quality loss.




DavidP
From: Ian Macaulay 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2019 10:50 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Photos



Take it out and fix it in a photo editor and the plunck it back into 
the legacy.




Ian



On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 4:41 PM Trevor Good  
wrote:



Hi all you lovely people out there.
My current problem is, I save a photo to my photo album, then when I
want to load it into Legacy it saves on it's side, I rotate it to
vertical, save as or carry out instructions as required but there is 
no

way I can save as vertical, any help please.
Regards
Trevor

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Re: [LegacyUG] Could my 10th great grandfather give birth to my 11th ggf?

[Chris Hill]

Hi Gloria

The Relationship Calculator is extremely easy to use, once you are 
used to it. By default, the Left Person will be your default person. If 
you are viewing any other person in the tree then that person will 
become the Right Person. Otherwise, from the Select.  Person buttons 
you can decide who are the pair of people that you want to look at the 
relationship between them.


If there is a common ancestor above both of them, or potentially 
multiple, the display will show the ancestor and its spouse at the top 
along with the relationship between the pair. Below that it will show 
the descent line from the common ancestor. If there are multiple common 
ancestors then they will be listed as the top and you can select them to 
show the descent line from them.
If the Right Person is you ancestor, it will only show the ancestor at 
the top and the direct line on the left, or potentially multiple 
relationships at the top that you can select from.


If there is no common ancestor the display will show Not Related at 
the top, with the path from Left to Right on the left and a description 
of the relationship on the right.


Also note that at the bottom left you can specify how far apart the 
people can be before the relationship is to far away. Personally, I 
normally run with the maximum values of 999 Blood Relationships and 10  
Non-blood Relationships.


From the Print button you can generate a report to show the 
relationship(s and from the Options button you can tag the people in the 
relationship.


In your case, if you have multiple marriages between cousins, and at 
different generations, then you will be getting these cases of ancestors 
being flagged as being nth and n+1th relationships. First you need to 
understand how the people involved in the tree are related, by using the 
report from the Relationship Calculator and building a map of the tree 
to show how the family was built. Secondly, I would be asking the 
question of 'is this correct?'.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Gloria DeSousa" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 26/10/2019 14:16:05
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Could my 10th great grandfather give birth to my 
11th ggf?



Thank you Cathy. I don't know how I didn't see that before.

Chris, is it possible that the 10th ggf that I mentioned can also be my 
12th ggf? If I am understanding the Relationship Calculator correctly, 
then he is my 10th on my mother's side, and my 12th on my father's 
side. Does it help to know that this 10th, also 12th, gave birth to two 
of my great grandparents?


I have difficulty understanding the Relationship Calculator in general. 
When I set it for the son who is my 11th ggf, it then shows the son of 
this 11th ggf, as my 9th great-great uncle and also as my 11th 
great-great uncle. Is that possible?


If my tree is correct, then my parents were distant cousins many times 
over according to the Relationship Calculator. Not surprising actually. 
I have first cousins who married first cousins. My grandparents were 
3rd cousins, and two sisters married two brothers often. Most of my 
parent's village are related. I'm sharing this in case it's of any use 
to know.


I agree CE. I'd rather have quality than quantity. My wish would be 
that bugs are fixed before adding more to fix. I can't see the choices 
that you suggest. Probably right in front of my eyes again :-)


Thank you for all your help,
Gloria

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:06 AM Cathy Pinner  
wrote:

Gloria

Re Direct Line in bold.
You set the Direct line from the Tools Ribbon bar in the Family File
Tools section. It says Set Direct Line.
You can set Direct lines all over the place in your tree to aid
navigation when you click beside the child list.
The one you set last is the one that is bolded when you have that 
option

set in Options > Customise 3.8

Others have given you ways to check out your relationship issue.

Cathy
> Gloria DeSousa 
> Saturday, 26 October 2019 5:34 AM
> Hi,
> I have in my tree a 10th great grandfather who's son is my 11th 
great
> grandfather. Is this possible? Or is it an error in my tree that I 
can

> not find? I set relationships several times.
>
> In addition to this problem, I tried to make my direct line bold 
like

> it used to be by clicking on the "Indicate direct line children in
> list (bold)" in 3.8 in Customize. I get a box that says "'Set Direct
> Line' Option from the Tools tab of the Ribbon to enable the bolding 
of

> names". I do not see the option "Set Direct Line", at least not in
> those words, but even the choices that come close, do not give me 
the

> option to bold. What am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Gloria
>
>


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Re: [LegacyUG] Could my 10th great grandfather give birth to my 11th ggf?

[Chris Hill]

If you go to Tools / Relationships and put you as one side and your 10th
GGF as the other it will show you the path route between you. If there are
multiple paths it should show you all of them. Then you can print out the
structure for them so that you can check through them.

Did the same for your 11th GGF and compare them.

And, technically, it is possible if the line from your 10th GGF has split
and then joined in a later generation, and one of them managed to generate
2 more generations. Rather unlikely, but I have marriages in my line which
are across different generations.

Also, for 10 generations you are probably back into the 16th or 17th
century so be aware that records might be wrong or missing.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019, 22:36 Gloria DeSousa,  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have in my tree a 10th great grandfather who's son is my 11th great
> grandfather. Is this possible? Or is it an error in my tree that I can not
> find? I set relationships several times.
>
> In addition to this problem, I tried to make my direct line bold like it
> used to be by clicking on the "Indicate direct line children in list
> (bold)" in 3.8 in Customize. I get a box that says "'Set Direct Line'
> Option from the Tools tab of the Ribbon to enable the bolding of names". I
> do not see the option "Set Direct Line", at least not in those words, but
> even the choices that come close, do not give me the option to bold. What
> am I doing wrong?
>
> Thanks,
> Gloria
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Re: [LegacyUG] Media ( Pictures ) ?

[Chris Hill]

Hi

 There are several places within Legacy where you can attach media, 
usually photo, files. This could be to an individual, a marriage, to a 
virtual items such as a baptism using the + button to the right, to an 
event on the individual or marriage, or possibly to a source. Usually, 
you can set them by clicking on the icon of a 'TV with two people in it' 
and then follow the dialog to select the type of media and the location 
that it is in.


In every case Legacy will store the name of the file and the folder 
in which it is located. The 'broken media links' indicates that when 
following the saved file name and location Legacy could not actually 
find the file, ie it is not in the correct folder or it has a different 
file name. First rule - NEVER change or move media files.


By default, Legacy would expect you to use the default media folder, 
which you can override by modifying the setting in Options / 6.2. If the 
file is within that folder, or a folder beneath it, Legacy will actually 
put a short cut to it, rather than a direct link to the physical 
location. Just below 6.2 there is a button to show the media location.


From my database, this is the list of media locations:

1 [Family File Folder]\Media\BMD\Canada\Marriage\
2 [Family File Folder]\Media\BMD\UK\Birth\
3 [Family File Folder]\Media\BMD\UK\Death\
4 [Family File Folder]\Media\BMD\UK\Marriage\
5 [Family File Folder]\Media\Buildings\
6 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\Canada 1911\
7 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\Canada 1921\
8 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1841\
9 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1851\
10 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1861\
11 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1871\
12 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1881\
13 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1891\
14 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1901\
15 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1911\
16 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\England 1939\
17 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\USA 1910\
18 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\USA 1930\
19 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\USA 1940\
20 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\Wales 1901\
21 [Family File Folder]\Media\Census\Wales 1939\
22 [Family File Folder]\Media\Immigration\
23 [Family File Folder]\Media\Maps\
24 [Family File Folder]\Media\Person\
25 [Family File Folder]\Media\Probate\

So I put them all within the default media folder, set within 
Options / 6.2, and I use multiple folders below that to structure them.


If I had included files outside of the Media folder, then Legacy 
would be holding the file drive/folder structure.


From 6.2 you can also get Legacy to scan for missing media. If it 
finds issues you will have a choice.


1. You can ask Legacy to try and locate the missing files, generally 
by scanning through you PC looking for them. Can be VERY long, my PC has 
about 2 to 3 media files on it. Of course, it will only find 
files with the right file name.


2. You can decide to look for the file directly, on the basis that 
you either know its new file name or the location that you moved it to.


Hope this helps.

Regards

Chris

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From: "Robert O. LaBonte Sr. via LegacyUserGroup" 

To: "Robert O. LaBonte Sr." ; "Legacy User Group" 


Cc: "Robert O. LaBonte Sr." 
Sent: 11/10/2019 15:42:20
Subject: [LegacyUG] Media ( Pictures ) ?


To my User Group,

I have had Legacy 9 Deluxe for over a year now and I still do not know 
how to attach pictures to my tree. I have asked this user group some 
time ago about this matter. My photos are all messed up. I always get 
this message ( There are 168 broken media links in the family file. ). 
I do not know what this means. I am 75 years young and on the brink of 
losing it. Please help me get through this?


Robert

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Re: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file

[Chris Hill]

Hi

I would not run a Compact unless I was told that it was needed, 
which seems to be your case if Check/Repair asked you to do it. In that 
case, the report that Check/Repair produces might give an indication as 
to why. Your run times seem to be slow, but it would depend on the size 
of the file and your PC.


Just for a test I have duplicated my live database, currently 24676 
KB for 12000 people, and then compressed it. That only took a minute or 
so and reduced it to 23304 KB so it only got a 5% reduction.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Ginny Vocelli" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 10/10/2019 02:28:43
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file

Thanks for your advice, Chris.  I am such a novice at the ends and outs 
of Legacy, I panic when something weird happens.  I’ll stay away from 
Compact Family Records from now on.




Ginny



From: LegacyUserGroup  On 
Behalf Of Chris Hill

Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 5:38 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file



Hi



That is good to hear. The Compact, ignore my earlier email, should not 
remove any information. All that it does is to compress the various 
tables to recover space that had been used by deleted entries.




Basically, Access never overwrites space that had been used by deleted 
records. It always just adds new data at the end.




I would not normally expect to use Compress unless I had been deleting 
a lot of records.




Regards

Chris

From my Motorola G6+



On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, 22:05 Ginny Vocelli,  wrote:

Whew!  The Compact Family File is done!  How changed are my files?  Is 
there a report I can run that will tell me what’s different?  Thanks.




Ginny Vocelli





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Behalf Of Virginia Vocelli

Sent: Wednesday, October 9, 2019 4:45 PM
To:LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file



I set this in motion after a Check and repair told me to. There was an 
error (the number of which I cannot remember).  The little blue circle 
has been spinning for nearly 30 minutes. A drop down box, half of 
which I can’t read, tells me this can be time consuming, and that 
terminating can be .what? That part is off the screen.


How long will this take? At the very top left corner Legacy (not 
responding.)


Thanks for any advice.

Ginny Vocelli

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Re: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file

[Chris Hill]

Hi

That is good to hear. The Compact, ignore my earlier email, should not
remove any information. All that it does is to compress the various tables
to recover space that had been used by deleted entries.

Basically, Access never overwrites space that had been used by deleted
records. It always just adds new data at the end.

I would not normally expect to use Compress unless I had been deleting a
lot of records.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, 22:05 Ginny Vocelli,  wrote:

> Whew!  The Compact Family File is done!  How changed are my files?  Is
> there a report I can run that will tell me what’s different?  Thanks.
>
>
>
> Ginny Vocelli
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Virginia Vocelli
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 9, 2019 4:45 PM
> *To:* LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
> *Subject:* [LegacyUG] Running compact family file
>
>
>
> I set this in motion after a Check and repair told me to. There was an
> error (the number of which I cannot remember).  The little blue circle has
> been spinning for nearly 30 minutes. A drop down box, half of which I can’t
> read, tells me this can be time consuming, and that terminating can be
> .what? That part is off the screen.
>
> How long will this take? At the very top left corner Legacy (not
> responding.)
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Ginny Vocelli
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Running compact family file

[Chris Hill]

Hi

This should only take a few minutes. If half of the dialog is missing then
you should be able to drag it back into vision. Then see if there is a
button waiting for a response.

Do you have a current backup, which you should always do before running
Check/Repair. If so, restore that and run the Check/Repair again. If you
get an error messages - write them down and then go to the Legacy support
site to see if it is a known issue. If not then raise an issue with them.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Wed, 9 Oct 2019, 21:46 Virginia Vocelli,  wrote:

> I set this in motion after a Check and repair told me to. There was an
> error (the number of which I cannot remember).  The little blue circle has
> been spinning for nearly 30 minutes. A drop down box, half of which I can’t
> read, tells me this can be time consuming, and that terminating can be
> .what? That part is off the screen.
>
> How long will this take? At the very top left corner Legacy (not
> responding.)
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Ginny Vocelli
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Error 3035 during Check-Repair Build 9.0.0.318

[Chris Hill]

Hi

Legacy support site says We are uncertain as to the causes of "3035: 
System resource exceeded", which is not that useful.


However, there are known issues with Access, which Legacy uses for 
its database, relating to 'System resource exceeded'. One limitation is 
the size, physical, of the .fdb files, which must not exceed 2GB, but 
would probably error if somewhat smaller. I have also seen a fix which 
involved limiting the number of CPUs that Access is using, but I am not 
aware if that relates to the Legacy app or an imbedded part of the 
system. Part of the problem is that the causes are variable which makes 
it difficult to resolve.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Alan Thompson" 
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: 07/10/2019 10:02:50
Subject: [LegacyUG] Error 3035 during Check-Repair Build 9.0.0.318

Has anyone else had problems with the Check-Repair routine using the 
latest release Legacy 9.0 Build 318.




I repeatedly get a “ Run Time Error ‘3035 System resource exceeded 
“message at Step 65 of 219 of Check-Repair and was wondering if anyone 
else was experiencing similar.




I tried uninstalling Legacy and re-installing (as recommended for this 
error message) and running check-repair on the same Family file but 
again received the same error message.




I also tried exporting my family file to a new Legacy database and 
running Check-Repair on that, again without success.




However, on a different computer (with less resources, ie CPU and 
Memory, but with the same version of Windows 10 with latest updates), I 
ran check-repair using Legacy Version 9.0.0.301 (ie the previous 
release) on the same family files (as above) and check-repair completed 
successfully in both cases.




Also restored a back-up of my family file taken immediately prior to 
updating to Build 9.0.0.318. Running check repair on this file using 
Version 9.0.0.318 again failed at the same point, but successfully 
completed using 9.0.0.301.




My Family File details:



Number of Individuals: 143931

Number of Families: 44941

Master locations: 20761

Master Sources: 1245

Citations: 759965

Master events: 197212

used by individuals: 196591

used by marriages: 621

Master media items: 73894

times linked: 303918



I have reported this problem to support.



Alan Thompson

Canberra, Australia


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Re: [LegacyUG] Change sides

[Chris Hill]

Hi Jenny

There is a Swap husband and wife button on the Edit menu.

Regards

Chris

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Sent: 06/10/2019 14:25:48
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Change sides


On 06/10/2019 14:02, Jenny M Benson wrote:

I just found that the daughter of one couple was marked as Male and her husband 
as Female and their positions were reversed in Family View.  I have corrected 
the sexes but the couple still show in reversed positions.  I ran a check 
repair and the Error Log tells me that the couple are marked as the wrong sex 
for their positions and that I may want to correct this.  Of course, the actual 
problem is that the positions are wrong for the sexes and that is what I want 
to correct, but I don't know how to do this.


It's ok, I sussed it!  I unlinked the husband and the wife immediately popped 
across to the right side and then I linked her husband back again.

-- Jenny M Benson
http://jennygenes.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: [LegacyUG] Printing Tagged List

[Chris Hill]

Hi Bob

Use the Find option in the Search bar. Then use Detailed Search for 
an Individual with Tag 5 equal to Tagged. Use that to Create List and 
then when the list appears, select Options and Print. Set up the fields 
you want in the report or CSV file, and run it.


Regards

Chris

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Subject: [LegacyUG] Printing Tagged List


How do I make a list of my ancestors who I have given Tag 5 so I print a record.

Bob Cunningham

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Re: [LegacyUG] Merging only a portion of one family file into another family file

[Chris Hill]

I think you need to do this.

On the file that you were modifying you need to locate all of the modified
individuals and export those to a new database, and then merge that file
back into your original file.

You can find the modified records by using the search to look for everyone
with an update date after you started working on the wrong file. Then put a
tag on those entries and use the export against those by using that tag.

Merging those, and only those, will mean that they will be the only ones to
merge.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019, 19:35 Gloria DeSousa,  wrote:

> Hi,
> For whatever reason I can no longer recall, I began a "new" family file
> using  my older family file, meaning it was the same file but different
> name. I obviously then forgot to move to my main family file to continue
> doing my usual inputting of information and where I do all my work.
> Unknowingly, I kept working on this "new" file for 11 days before I
> switched back to the family file I always work with, and the only file I
> want. I want to move only the portion that is new from the new file to the
> more established file, where I should have been inputting information in
> the first place. I tried many things, such as importing the entire "new"
> file into the established file but with over 30,000 individuals in my tree,
> that produced 900,000 duplications to review based on the criteria I chose.
> I tried the help index, read up on tagging and hashtags, to no avail. Is
> there a way to do this?
> Thanks for any help,
> Gloria
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Re: [LegacyUG] My Heritage

[Chris Hill]

Hi

I think that you have to look at this in a couple of ways.

1. Does it provide you with information that you are not already 
getting from other sites, like Ancestry, FindMyPast etc. Note that there 
seems to be a 'free' option with a limited number (250?) of individuals 
in your tree, if you load it. What other options does it have, such as 
links to other members trees and under what conditions.


2. As a business, does it seem to operate in a sensible way. I know 
that there were offers for a half-price joining cost to Legacy 
members,and there seem to have been issues in getting that to continue 
on extension. Is their support service efficient.


Personally, when I first found them many years ago I did not, since 
they were not offering anything that I did not have. But that will 
depend on the services that you use and the countries from which you 
might need information. Since then, I have put up a cut down version of 
my tree in the free option, and have never found a need to look at the 
data that they have, but then I use Ancestry, FindMyPast, Genealogist 
and FamilySearch, and sometimes GeneaNet.


Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Roberta Schwalm" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 17/09/2019 16:15:47
Subject: [LegacyUG] My Heritage

Not sure if this is on topic or not since Legacy and MyHeritage have 
merged.


I just received a special offer email from MyHeritage which sounds 
interesting.  However, before doing anything, I would like to have the 
opinions of other LUG members who are subscribed to MyHeritage as to 
find it worthwhile or not to have a subscription.


Thanks in advance.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Why an error message??

[Chris Hill]

Main menu --> Tools --> Potential Problems --> it is the righthand set 
of tabs



Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Roberta Schwalm" 
To: "Legacy User Group" 
Sent: 17/09/2019 15:56:31
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Why an error message??

Looked for the Gaps tab but couldn't find it.  Can you send me a path, 
please?  Thanks you.


Roberta Schwalm

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:46 AM Brian Kelly  wrote:

Tools > Potential Problems.
The Gaps tab is on the window that opens.

Brian Kelly

On 17-Sep.-19 10:05 a.m., Cindy Custer wrote:
> Where under the Legacy */Tools/* tab can I find “Gaps” to change the
> settings?
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup *On Behalf Of *Roberta Schwalm
> *Sent:* Monday, September 16, 2019 4:49 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Why an error message??
>
> That is what I do! 
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 2:20 PM Juergen Amling  > wrote:
>
> You can change the settings in the Tools menu for the potential
> problems under “Gaps”
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2019, at 10:51, Roberta Schwalm 

> > wrote:
>
> And with couples putting off childbirth until later on, that
> message will pop up more and more often.  I simply click on 
"not

> a problem".
>
> I also get one saying that the birth is too soon after
> marriage!  It will also pop up when a couple have children, 
then

> decide to get married.
>
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 10:58 AM Pat Hickin 

> > wrote:
>
> Birth of first child too late after Marriage Date.
> [pm. 17 Sep 1924 and b. 30 Mar 1929]
> Birth of first child is later than normal after Marriage
> Date of Parents. Verify the birth and marriage dates.
> There might be a child missing.
>
> It's less than five years, for heaven's sake!
>
> Pat
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Re: [LegacyUG] Error 3049

[Chris Hill]

The Legacy tech support suggesting

1. exporting to a new file and then loading that
2. Restoring to a previous backup
3. Exporting via GEDCOM

http://support.legacyfamilytree.com/article/AA-00466/11/Error-Messages-Problems/Error-3049.html

Regards

Chris

-- Original Message --
From: "Wes Jester" 
To: "Mailing List for users of Legacy Family Tree software" 


Sent: 10/09/2019 17:51:34
Subject: [LegacyUG] Error 3049

I just tried to open my Legacy and received the above error.  It only 
says "Rebuild Source Citations." It gets to 341 of 389 then says 
"Cannot open database"


I am at the latest update of both Legacy and Win 10.

Any help appreciated.

FWIW I do have a recent backup after my last update.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage

[Chris Hill]

It might be French based but it does cover Europe better than the others.

Regards

Chris

>From my Motorola G6+

On Sun, 8 Sep 2019, 19:15 Cindy Custer,  wrote:

> Geneanet is a French site – no good for German research!
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup *On Behalf Of *Andrew Robbie
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 08, 2019 2:11 PM
> *To:* 'Legacy User Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Thanks Chris – very useful.  Good sharing!
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> P.S.  I’m always learning, so should share…  Israelian   Israeli    J
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Hill
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 6:56 PM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> On the very bottom line where there are the three people you can specify
> as shortcuts. Double-click on the 1 before the first name - don't think it
> is the right click but my PC is currently down. It will show you the stats
> and a few options. Does not seem to be in the help index, or not obvious.
>
>
>
> MyHeritage is Israelian, as I recall, and probably started with good
> European links, but has grown to try and match Ancestry.
>
>
>
> FindMyPast is UK based and good for UK information, and has been extending
> to cover the ex-UK colonies and USA.
>
>
>
> GenealogyBank seems to be USA only in terms of content.
>
>
>
> FamilySearch is the LDS site and is very strong on USA and Europe, and
> growing elsewhere, with the target of building a single tree for the world
> (which FindMyPast has also suggested for UK based on users trees).
>
>
>
> The other sites are obviously Ancestry which good for USA, UK, Europe,
> Canada, Australia and NZ. Genealogist is a UK site and Geneanet is a
> European site.
>
>
>
> My biggest issue is that all have some common information and then each
> have different collections of various information, so you need to search
> through many of them, certainly in the UK.
>
> Regards
>
> Chris
>
> From my Motorola G6+
>
>
>
> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019, 22:34 Andrew Robbie, 
> wrote:
>
> Chris/Cathy/et al,
>
>
>
> Curious – where exactly is that hints status info? Chris mentioned “*right
> click on the 1 button in the bottom right line*” – which ‘1’ button on
> which window/view is that on?  Images are appreciated, even if not
> recommended on this forum… J
>
>
>
> And regarding these services, who can chime in regarding their usefulness
> in certain regions, periods, etc. of research?  I know mileage may vary
> based on your lineage and study geos/timelines…
>
>
>
> My take
>
>
>
> *MyHeritage*: Seems to be merged/merging with FamilySearch now…
>
>
>
> *FamilySearch*: I like the -XXX unique numbering system, and Legacy’s
> Family Search tool (accessed from the D  icon) that helps manage and
> merge Legacy records with Family Search.  I must admit, I don’t see many
> hits in this category anymore, maybe since I have all my FS IDs covered
> now.  Others’ opinions?
>
>
>
> *FindMyPast*: Mainly advertises as UK and NAM, but I find most of my hits
> only come from UK.  I need Australia and New Zealand hits also. Anyone got
> other perspectives?
>
>
>
> *GenealogyBank*: does show info in config that this is mostly American
> history for past 300 years (this is useful to know before subscribing). I
> do not subscribe to this service currently.  I do find that it shows many
> hundreds of hits, maybe due to simply name match (no dates considered) but
> are these hits useful? Also, no Canada hits despite advertising US and
> Canada coverage. Anyone got any other observations?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew ROBBIE
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* LegacyUserGroup  *On
> Behalf Of *Chris Hill
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 7, 2019 5:58 AM
> *To:* Legacy User Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] Hints - MyHeritage
>
>
>
> Hi
>
>
>
> Yes, I asked the question about the speed of Hints appearing or not,
> after I reset my tree to reset the Hints list.
>
>
>
> The first response was that the Hints list is not the list of
> individuals in the tree, mine was 3,000 vs 11,850, but it is driven by the
> number of individuals that you have opened in the Family or Pedigree views.
> That has become obvious to me over the last couple of weeks and the list is
> now 4,187 long.
>
>
>
> The other response was on the speed in which they are processed. My
> stats, right click on the 1 button in the bottom right line, now show
>
>
>
> My Heritage: