On Oct 4, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Collinson.Shannon
shannon.collin...@suntrust.commailto:shannon.collin...@suntrust.com wrote:
We do have some F5 appliances, but I think that's just for network routing--if
there's any kind of F5 that could help manage an HA solution (making a passive
server active
down). We'll be investigating Tivoli Systems Automation for Multiplatform,
and the Sine Nomine HAO (High Availability Option), plus I intend to see if
the
RHEL HA add-on is compatible with zSeries,
It is not. That's why we created HAO. Red Hat does not offer their HA kit for Z
or Power.
Sine Nomine's SNA HAO for RHEL on z is basically the Red Hat's source code
recompiled for s390x arch, with the addition of the fencing mechanism to
interface with z/VM, fully supported by Sine Nomine (an ISV Red Hat
Partner). The SNA HAO offers features like: Fail-over HA, Clustered File
Note that CA can also sell you licenses for at least some of Velocity's
products, so if you have a relationship with CA, that might be an easier route
to go than making your procurement guys do anything out of the ordinary.
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This is where I don't understand. How can simply knowing if a file exists or
not be a security concern? I admit to being ignorant of this because a user in
z/OS can generally get a listing of the names of all the data sets
(files) which exist on a z/OS system even if they cannot read them.
I'm just finishing up an update to SWAPGEN that adds full internationalization
for the messages and text that SWAPGEN emits. I'm looking for native speakers
to translate the message repository files (and optionally the help file(s)).
I've gotten particular requests in the past for French,
I am trying to learn understand Redhat z/Linux
How to do LVM on Z/linux
The same way it is done on Red Hat for Intel. The LVM FAQ list is available by
googling LVM FAQ RHEL.
1. LVM on windows is using Drives partitions to create LVM , so when it
comes to Z/OS ..
LVM is a generic
... you aren't going to recognize these messages. (And nowhere does
the message even say SELinux to provide needed context!)
It would be real nice to see an equivalent of RACF's ICH408I messages here.
You do realize the NSA created SELinux? If they told you what was happening,
they'd
A new version of SWAPGEN is available at
http://download.sinenomine.net/swapgen/swap1308.vmarc
This version of SWAPGEN adds some new options and updates intended to target
changes in the swap signature and disk format for releases of Linux post SLES11
SP2 and RHEL 6.x. We recommend that all
Old version of VMARC, either yours or mine.
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My vote is that David's is old.
OK, regenerated the VMARC using the version of VMARC from the IBM download
library. Try it again.
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Folks need to help your organizations move past the quaint notion that the
HMC is only for Other People. It has a role for systems programmers, not
just machine jockeys. And I expect that role will grow over time. There's a
reason it has remote access capability. (Of course, I find lots of
Given that access to the HMC DVD is highly restricted in most places, I'd say
that the tape option has to stay if you want to support bare metal LPARs.
Security issues aside, a lot of places the HMC might be thousands of miles
away, even from the operators -- they can't physically put the disc
Look around your shop. IF there's a dominant variant of Linux on Intel, try to
go with that one. Will save lots of politicking if you can say it's just like
your Intel boxes. There may be some good overlaps on maintenance contracts
too.
Application certification is usually the other deciding
Don't forget that seat allocation HAS to be done single-thread; Some tasks
are harder to perform in a parallel fashion... though, perhaps, that might
lead
us back to over-booking.
Not necessarily single thread, but definitely with mutual exclusion involved.
Also... #1 of the features of
almost like a Mycroft system owned by the Lunar Authority, don't it?).
Space 1999? Wow.
Pretty sure that is Heinlein, Moon is a Harsh Mistress reference
Indeed. One episode of Space:1999 has an oblique reference to Mycroft, but I
bet you're right.
Never post while taking Benadryl.
Works fine. If you want to use RHEL and do HA, you'll need our HAO (high
availability option) for RHEL on Z. RH does not ship HA for RHEL on z.
Is anybody running MQ servers on Linux on z/VM? Any significant gotchas
to watch out for?
It has been years since I was there but the Chicago Museum of Science and
Industry had great exhibit of computers.
I remember they had an IBM RAMAC 305 (I think it was working) along with
many other historic devices.
Saw one version of it a few years ago. I don't think their RAMAC works.
Second this one. They have the other running 360/20 in the world. Lots of
vintage gear.
On Jul 24, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com wrote:
Hi, Gabe.
I hear that the IBM Boebligin (Germany) lab has a nice S/360 museum.
Have a good one, too.
DJ
On 07/24/2013
Yep, CPFMTXA works great, but our workaround (using dirmaint to remove
then add the disks) is just a little quicker for us and we can do multiple
disks
at the same time easily.
It also tends *over time* to redistribute load more evenly over the physical
disk farms -- assuming that you
or you could use the wipefs utility, which should care of all signatures
Any way to force Kickstart to use that when executing clearfs directives if it
detect that a disk is already Linux formatted?
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It is true that DIRMAINT's support for regions dates back to when your
DASD Analyst studied the hot spots on the disk using the SEEK data from
the Monitor. But these days there are no worries about RPS delays or how
far the heads have to move. What you focus on today is I/O queuing.
And
We're trying to research an issue with our kickstarting that cropped up in
RHEL6.4 (worked perfectly in RHEL6.2). RedHat support has asked us to
wait till the kickstart fails then issue CNTL+ALT+F1 to get into pdb mode
so they can debug the anaconda stuff, but since we boot in z/VM, the
David
I would think you would have to modify the inittab so that a signal sent
would emulate the key sequence RH is asking for, I recall doing that some
time back for something else I was working on.
You're probably thinking about the cntrl-alt-del hack that SIGNAL SHUTDOWN
uses. That works
OTOH, you don't have to migrate at all. As Leland points out, there IS a choice
now. 8-)
Leland, I'd say it's a religious issue. Both work fairly well for local
clusters.
If you have, or want to, standardized on RH, GFS gets a lot more love (via
SNA's High Availability Option for RHEL on
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This is also why OPTION CHPIDVIRTUALIZATION ONE (and also the
GLOBALOPTS
statement) was invented, so that relocating guests don't see the real paths
or care if the paths on the LPAR
Use logger and run the script from a separate init script with a dependency
on the syslog startup script.
Putting your message into a separate script will let you install it as an RPM
and let init rearrange it as necessary. Rc.local is very early in the startup,
so you can't use syslog until
The dependency relationships are traditionally in comments at the start of
each INIT script. 'systemd' changes the game. I won't waste time
discussing that unless you are already suffering under its weight.
There are easy tools for scarfing up init script dependencies into systemd.
Logger from rc.local seems to be working put I'll look into an init script.
Never written one of those. Time to get out the books.
It's pretty easy. Copy one of the existing ones (nfsd is a good one to start
with -- it has dependencies already, so you can see how they work).
For what you want
A little while ago, someone was looking for a decent CMS batch system. The
Purdue LARS batch code (source, docs and modules) is available from
http://download.sinenomine.net/cmsbatch.
I think I got all the pieces, but let me know if there are pieces missing.
I don't think you need the CP mods
Thanks Dave, I think the 'someone' might have been me, at least I emailed
you reporting a bad link to this code on your site . Unfortunately I don't
recall
exactly why I was interested... Mike
I think you were going to use it to submit startup tasks during startup.
I apologize for the
3. One of the things that the TCP IP folks want us to do on the hardware side
is to increase the maximum frame size to 64k. for this hipersocket.
4. This would normally increase the MTU size to 56k for the hipersocket.
5. If I remember properly the 56k value would exceed the SAP
1) a section on setting up the CMS SSL server to provide secure
management traffic transport.
2) a section on enabling SMAPI and the use of smaclient to manipulate
the images.
We had talked about the SSL server early. Apparently this is a complicated
install. Given the quantity of
We have another app that we would like to test, but we no longer run any
SUSE instances. We are all RedHat now and Mono was dropped from
Redhat support years ago.
But is still well supported. Drop me a note for details.
Any more suggestions or comments of what else you'd like to see in this
book?
If it's not already there:
1) a section on setting up the CMS SSL server to provide secure management
traffic transport.
2) a section on enabling SMAPI and the use of smaclient to manipulate the
images.
Is there already zVM/zLinux documentation contrasting benefits/costs of
Hipersockets vs shared OSA offload? I believe OSA offload can also be an
approach that is a differentiator with Z. So might as well add that too?
Unless Hipersockets is always superior, though I'm not sure that's the
On May 23, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Shane G ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote:
I'm sure this will induce Philipp Kern to rise to the task.
However a quick search on this list will also get you Fedora - that might
suffice for educational purposes. Especially if you are RHEL inclined.
CentOS used to do a
and enterprise grade support.
More details are available at
http://www.sinenomine.net/products/linux/systemz/hao4relz.
The product is installed in more than 15 Fortune 50 companies with good
success. Please contact me off list if you're interested in more information.
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I know the IBM dump tools doc says explicitly to use kdump, but apparently
RedHat support has been adamant
Has anyone else bumped into that message from RedHat?
Repeatedly. They know what they know, and that's what's in their script. You're
probably not going to budge them on that.
We maintain NQS for Linux on Z. NQS was designed as a job scheduler and
resource queuing manager for large systems, and can keep a Cray full and busy.
Low cost, and commercial support.
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Google up portable batch system. Or Globus Toolkit. I know zero about
them.
Globus has a lot of baggage around it; it's not a general purpose system.
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Easy and Websphere seldom co-exist in the same paragraph.
8.5ND has some nice new bells and whistles. It's also proportionately more of a
hog. Their clustering implementation has a number of poll till I get what I
want cases. It is aware of the application-layer stuff, so can do some other
Maybe a blade center could be considered an IA-CEC (Intel Architecture) and
could be located under systems/. But then do they have LPARs, hipervisors
(certainly not z/VM) and virtual machines? I think two, but not three. But
then, I've done very little with virtualization on IA.
Modern
Ok, so people did use inittab instead of runit/dæmon-tools… and I thought it
was mainly TSM that was being odd. ;-)
If you actually read the SVID docs, editing /etc/inittab is the only truly
universal method of doing this kind of thing for System V-derived systems. The
fact that no one with
Better than updating /etc/profile is to add a file to /etc/profile.d. Keeps
the
Java stuff isolated and makes upgrading a little cleaner.
Yes. The move to this construct has been one of the really good things to come
along recently. Makes software install management *much* easier if you can
it's much easier to write snippets for than sysvinit. It does proper
supervision
that restarts services when they go down. So where's the problem?
The same reason I had a problem with Docbook:
Few people understand it, the documentation is fragmented and not very well
edited, there are
What is the situation with modern Z 9/10 hardware: should we change our
scripts to build 64-bit or stay with 32-bit? The app is relatively small -
let's say
1.5 Mb of memory for a resident set and modest CPU consumption - but a
fully loaded customer configuration may have hundreds of
You can already accomplish something similar with xrdp and desktop clients, or
any of the dedicated terminals from Wyse or others that do RDP. If you want to
see a working example, come to VM Workshop. RDP is well optimized for WAN use,
and the hardware accelerators for WAN use all know how to
Yes am familiar with xrdp, but with this , no need to even have it. a
TERMINAL / Emulator is all that is needed, no remote desktop, or anything of
the sort.
The rdesktop implementation running on the terminal IS an emulator. RDP
consists of tile update commands sent to an application on a
Compatibility wise, could I substitute IBM JVM?
Depends on how well written your Java apps are. If they stick fairly close to
the published specs, it shouldn't be a problem. If they broke the rules and
call some of the Sun-specific stuff in the Sun/Oracle package, Bad Things
Happen. IBM does
Wasn't the design philosophy behind Java, Write once, run anywhere?
What went wrong?
Microsoft and Sun/Oracle producing incompatible embrace and extend packages
that were shipped with the Sun or MS Java package, so people assumed they were
part of the standard language. MS Java wasn't a fully
There oughtta be an international Java Proliferation Treaty.
Or a plain REXX port (not Object REXX) that used the JVM standard
pseudomachine.
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Ok, from all the comments, it appears that I may be on thin ice trying to do
too many substitutions.
SUSE instead of Redhat
IBM instead of Oracle
Why not run RHEL on Z? It's decent enough. If you want Centos 6 for Z, talk to
me offlist. We also have a fully functional OpenJDK for Z.
A good idea, David, but why not ooRexx?
Mostly that the extensions to do the objects and some of the syntax changes
don't seem natural to me. I'm more of a procedural programmer, and my exposure
to Smalltalk forever exploded any desire to do OO programming. I like the
simplicity and elegance
Honestly, if they really exploit Excel, there's no direct replacement.
OpenOffice macro capabilities are very poor compared to Excel's.
You may be able to export the data to a CSV file and then replace the Excel
macros with awk or sed scripts.
Our operators run many excel vb macros for
Please ignore the few Buffer I/O errors in syslog.
One error message is ignorable. Hundreds are a problem that should be fixed.
I think
the best method is to CPFMTXA at _least_ cylinder 0 before giving it to a
guest. It really should be the entire volume, or use the DIRMAINT function
to
Maybe a requirement that ICKDSF (as if it wern't complicated enough now)
support LINUX initialization (formatting).
Somehow I doubt that would happen.
Knowing a little bit more about what Tomas is trying to do, he's trying to
avoid waiting for a long format to complete, so he doesn't want to
If the user knew that they
intend to format a disk with potentially unsafe data on it they could just
bring
it online unformatted. (By unsafe I mean data that may be partially in a good
format and partially in bad).
Or you could configure your directory manager to erase on deallocate (out
I thought about the same idea... would you mind sharing your script? I was
thinking about a script that would capture the CPU id and then it would
activate the appropriate ifcfg-ethx and include it into the zipl.
Wouldn't it just be simpler to use DHCP? The ISC DHCP server can be configured
Just for grins, after you do the mount, run 'exportfs -a' to force the exports
list to be updated.
[root@localhost ~]# systemctl start nfs.service [root@localhost ~]# mkdir
/tmp/iso [root@localhost ~]# mount -o ro,vers=3,nolock localhost:/dev/sr0
/tmp/iso
mount.nfs: access denied by server
[root@localhost ~]# exportfs -a
exportfs: /tmp/iso requires fsid= for NFS export [root@localhost ~]# cat
/etc/exports
/tmp/iso*(ro,no_root_squash)
[root@localhost ~]#
Perhaps the access denied message (below) has something to do with
this?
It does indeed, but it's not the problem
I have a security officer that has raised the issue regarding free [Putty]
software.
That's unusually paranoid. What's his beef? Just that it's open source?
Has anyone encounterd security issues with Putty beyond the Release 0.60?
I am looking for documented problems.
None in more than
Just to be different, I use KITTY instead of Putty G.
Does it enable/use the Multipurpose Enterprise Optimization Widget (MEOW)?
(it's got to be Friday *somewhere*...8-))
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When I read the file in, its in NETDATA format.
How do I convert it to ASCII?
Look at the comments in DMSDDL ASSEMBLE on MAINT after doing a VMFSETUP
CMS (replace with the name of the $PPF file for your release of VM). The
netdata format is documented there (AFAIK, that's the only
Hmm. I wonder if it would be generally useful if vmur were extended to
allow specifying a pre, post, in-flight processing program/script. That way,
people wouldn't need to write replacements for vmur itself for stuff like
this.
Or just a pair of tools (ND[encode, decode]) that could be
I remember from long ago that CMS NETDATA (not the TSO version) was
documented in the CMS manuals. I short search reveals it to be in the 620
CMS Macros and Functions Reference.
Yeah, looked at that, but it's missing the information you need to decode
multiple data sets in a single
I'm doing this from Linux side. Can this be done from the linux side?
Not the part about looking at the DMSDDL source code. You have to log in to
MAINT (or MAINT620 if you're on 6.2) and use the CMS environment to look at
those files.
You can certainly write the program to unwrap NETDATA
That's the front of a tarball archive header. Are you sure you unpacked it?
Eg:
gunzip netdatax.gt
tar xvf netdatax.tar .
[root@wil-zvmdb01 bin]# head -1 `which netdatax`
netdatax-1.0/77576476400011671701005014220
5ustar
dataformatdataformatnetdatax-
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 61440 Mar 5 15:40 netdatax
No netdatax.tar file
Tar doesn't care about the name (nothing on unix does, really). It's just a
convention for humans to identify the content. The tar command will happily
process that file as is.
Try using s3270 instead of x3270. s3270 is intended for commandline work
(although it should work with x3270 as well, but...)
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Have a couple of vendors...that say they support SUSE linux 32 and 64 bit ...
Intel only ...
BUT
Do not support z/Linux ??? puzzled
Yeah. After all, isn't the whole world Intel-based now that those pesky
mainframes are gone?
NOT.
Mostly it's an issue with testing and QA. Since
'tis a pity they don't have an ancient Burroughs B6700... that would be
impressive.
They have most of a B5500 in their warehouse (which is a total fantasy-land if
you're a hardware geek), and are about to bring a working 4341 online.
They just reanimated 6 Mw of 36bit core for the KI, which
a few years ago we've introduced execute in place, which can be used to
save some memory by using z/VM DCSS segments. Since the size of main
memory for virtual servers has increased much faster than the size of binary
executables and libraries since, this technique has become less attractive.
IMO, as long as the user has to maintain the DCSS it will never catch on.
Exactly. It's beneficial, but the lack of tooling and implementation
integration makes it a PITA. We got plenty of those.
The software vendor must decide what should/shouldn't go into the DCSS,
not the sysprog. When
I add 2 more dasd for this guest's directory like below:
MDISK 0207 3390 0001 END LBE508 MR LNX4VM LNX4VM LNX4VM MDISK
0208 3390 0001 END LBE509 MR LNX4VM LNX4VM LNX4VM
On linux, I want create a volume group by these 2 dasd. But system reject
creating this volume group.
A warning diaglog
Actually, it is the IRRADU00 reformatted RACF audit records from SMF. Can't
process the SMF itself easily on VM/CMS or Linux.
I have a faint memory that someone took the SMF publication, extracted the
record layouts and created some data descriptions for the S statistical tool on
Linux. Don't
Interesting. I've tried looking at R, but just can't get the time to read the
the
books I've bought.
Another option for CMS or Linux might be the really ancient version of MACSYMA
that lives on the MVS CBT tape.
If you have access to a Fortran compiler, that beastie can eat structured
I don't think you're going to see much (if any) improvement, really. This
process is pretty much a simple filter, and you're mostly I/O bound, so C/C++
aren't really going to help much, and the amount of code you'll need to write
to simulate the parsing capabilities of any of the shell
Can anyone tell me what this error is? I can't find it anywhere.
[root@fedora ~]# xrdp -k
endian wrong, edit arch.h
Somehow you've gotten a non-Z binary installed, or something is wrong in the
definition of the architecture byte order in arch.h.
I suspect the former (which would explain xrdp
The first time I start VNCSERVER and it creates a :1 port. Everything is
fine, I
can use the VNC client and see the desktop (KDE).
When a second user starts a VNCSERVER and creates a :2 port I cannot
reach that port with the VNC server...
Tangentially related: if you're creating multiple
[root@fedora ~]# yum install tigervnc-server.
Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit
Error: Cannot retrieve metalink for repository: fedora/18/s390x. Please verify
its path and try again Tom
Has this ever worked? There's been a lot of reorganization going on in various
places
I've been asked by my management if we can support MongoDB (with SOLR)
using RHEL under z/VM. Has anyone on this list given this a try? Inquiring
minds would like to know what your thoughts are.
It builds and runs cleanly (there's no s390x RPM AFAIK, but the source RPM
builds without
AFAIK MongoDB (the server side) still support only little endian
architectures, so no luck with s390 (or ppc) unfortunately.
Recent updates have removed most of those restrictions.
The MongoDB server (mongod) must run on a little-endian CPU, so if you are
using a PPC OS X machine, mongod will not work.
So it's not true anymore?
Doesn't seem to be if you have the most recent SRPM. They've been doing a lot
of work to remove some of those limitations in recent versions,
SWAPGEN is a CMS application, so you can't use it when Linux is running,
however, you can temporarily define and format a new VDISK with DEFINE (via
vmcp) and the Linux commands, add it to fstab, and then update the PROFILE EXEC
to add the SWAPGEN line to define the temporary addition as a
LXFMT works on both ECKD and emulated 9336es. It does not work on pure FCP.
I'll get that page fixed.
On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Michael MacIsaac mike...@us.ibm.com wrote:
Tom,
Wait, on ww.sinenomine.net/products/vm/lxfmt I see:
This package contains a CMS utility to format and/or
cranky
At least you got an init script! There have been any number of other
products from IBM/Tivoli/others that didn't include one at all, forcing every
customer to write their own, however well or badly. Argh.
/cranky
*cough* Oracle *cough* ...
versions have been moved to an OLDER dir in the same location.
A future version will be packaged as a RPM for friendly installation.
Have fun.
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Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm a z/OS sysprog trying to keep z/VM
and zlinux running at our shop so most of my questions are probably dumb.
But we're trying to get a vendor tool (CA's Workload Automation agent)
running on our new RHEL6.2 linux-on-z servers, and we can't find the
If the CA product is using the JNI then that may be why 31-bit is required.
Ugh. Broken As Designed, then.
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I updated the bug mentioned with your symptoms. Also, I suspect this will fail
on a z9 -- like most of the other Linuxen, I think they're building with the
minimum architecture set to z10 or higher.
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The last time I looked, CentOS for s390 was really old: 4.4 I think, where
Intel is now at 6.3.
6.2 and 6.3 will be available shortly. We have a few issues to work out with
signing the packages to prevent tampering, but not long now.
I didn't think you could take a Linux that wasn't written specifically for
system
z and run it.
Given that NGINX is just an application program that can be compiled on any
Unix-like system, it runs fine when built from source on Linux on Z. The NGINX
www site does not supply System z
A new version of Leland Lucius' z/VM System Management API (SMAPI) command line
client for Unix system is available for download.
This version now supports the z/VM 6.2 level of SMAPI, including the SSI live
guest relocation functions (although those haven't been tested well). This tool
allows
For the time being, you could format it with ICKDSF and then DDR cylinder 1
from a Linux pack to fool dasdfmt...
Has anyone tried LXFMT for comparison?
I don't have a spare pack to try at the moment, but from reading the code, it
seems to know a few more tricks about the 390 I/O system, and
If you have zLinux and z/OS running under zVM and your zLinux ran a DB/2
application where the output data needed to get to the z/OS system for
further processing. Can this be done in that type of environment? Or are the
two systems so separated that they couldn't share the data?
Sure. You
Yeah - we'll probably start small, with say half a GB cache and see if
it affects other packages. We use VDISk for paging, and perfmon shows
that we have XSTOR, but no usage.
Well, that's probably a good sign of plenty of resources to play with.
I wonder if it would help to put nginx,
But our Z enthusiast
says we can put Redis and memcache on Z-Linux (under VM) without any
loss of functionality or performance (because we have extra capacity and
paging on Z doesn't cost anything).
I'd agree on functionality, but performance is a harder question. Both redis
and memcache
This smells like the last argument we recently had on this topic. udevadm
settle is not always reliable and the last response was that you have to sit
and poll until the device actually appears before continuing.
Broken, IMHO, but apparently WAD.
On Oct 18, 2012, at 14:36, Michael MacIsaac
Can't test this at the moment, but do the system logs tell you if the
relocation generates a disconnect/reconnect event for the interface in
question? IMHO, if it doesn't, then it should, since you're doing the
equivalent of unplugging the machine, moving it, and then reconnecting it. Even
if
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