Look at what happened in the last year,
just today I read in slashdot about sun giving away star office
to millions of students all over the world.
So I guess it can't be that bad? if it's responsible enough for so many
coutries to encourage the students there to use staroffice why can't we?
and
, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
that are not standard technologies in order to get maximum visual effect -
things that you
On Friday 03 January 2003 09:29, Uri Bruck wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I
suggest you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out
On Friday 03 January 2003 09:34, Uri Bruck wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be
forbidden to require the students to purchase closed software to submit
their schoolwork.
How is that different than requiring
no cause it would be full open spec format,
everyone can look at the spec and implemant it.
it's like saying email it propraity cause some platfroms doesn't have
e-mail clients, but e-mail's spec is open you can just write one with not
much problem.
anyhow it's XML so you can read it at least
because in education, lame
security (MOD style) excuses will not hold
and at least formally, education is free and equal.
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To: Ely Levy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Edu
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
you watch Total
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Uri Bruck wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden
to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their
schoolwork.
How is that different than requiring students to buy
HERE HERE !
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To: Alex Shnitman [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:30, Alex Shnitman wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:39:28 +0200
Boulgakov Andrei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
we can do in school - work with 15-17 aged. As example I can tell you about
activities of Amuta leAtid aNegev. They did Web Olympiad for youth. (btw,
guess what was the platform for web+db server with PHP for it?) Now,
On Friday 03 January 2003 11:53, Uri Bruck wrote:
That not what he said,
come on..
he said that people who use ms cause they don't know of any alternatives
Which may be true for some people. However, the general sentiment I'm
getting list is that this is the only reason to choose MS
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Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:52 AM
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Subject: Re: C vs. Pascal vs. the World [was Re: Edu in linux]
Shlomi Fish
On 3 Jan 2003, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
itself.[1]
snipped to footnote
[1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc is an Haskell compiler that is the
only tool capable of compiling its own Haskell
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 19:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Ely Levy wrote:
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO file
format
that would become the official file format for documetation and passing
info between goverment and
, January 03, 2003 9:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: C vs. Pascal vs. the World [was Re: Edu in linux]
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
itself.[1]
snipped to footnote
[1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc
Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
quite long.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote:
I won't get into this war, but I'll respond to a small comment:
And you do need a good Java debugger. Trust me. You could always use a
good debugger,
Quoting Xavier Gentoo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Well, you may not like it, but you are one. There's no way that
somebody
could know everything about everything, and that's why we specialize
in
different things. You have no choice but accept that most of the
technologies and products in this
Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
quite long.
Ok.
As much as a code can be well-thought and well-designed, there can always
be typos and things you did not thought about. A misplaced operator, two
consecutive if's instead of one nested in the other or
another important diffrent is that it would be out of the end
of specific software makers, it would be a europian standart
and therefore if some company like sun or ms would want to change it
they would have problems in the EU.
Ely Levy
System group
Hebrew University
Jerusalem Israel
On Fri, 3
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote:
Hi Alexander! Next time please delete the rest of the message - it was
quite long.
Ok.
As much as a code can be well-thought and well-designed, there can always
be typos and things you did not thought about. A misplaced operator, two
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
that are not standard technologies
On 2 Jan 2003, Alex Shnitman wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 15:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
So you think what your children need to be successful adults is full
knowledge of Word?
Funny, I prefer my children to learn to think for themselves, be self
reliant, learn to solve problems and
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 22:59, Uri Bruck wrote:
Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a
bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I
don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of
how things work.
This I
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to
Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
programs, that is.
And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
cases.
I really don't understand where that comes from?
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about Edu in linux:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
A very important topic indeed.
6)Does matach does programs which can't be replaced by opensourced
programs?
The sad (but
IMO, the first role Linux can take in schools is as a server. Many
schools have small to medium sized networks which either don't have
a
central server or rely on a Windows server running on a too-slow
machine. Using Linux as the server can reduce costs by both
eliminating
the need for
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
Regards,
- yba
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 12:10 PM
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Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS
I think that today with the hard economical state
there are poor schools which hardly have money for computers
and would be more than happy for free programs.
crossover office runs MSoffice with hebrew support preety well
and they would have access to better and nicer GUI programs which they
can't
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget it.
Regards,
How much does a development
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget
:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word, then forget
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a
.
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Sent: Thursday, 02 January, 2003 13:04
To: Alon Weinstein
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote:
I think this is going too far. If children will use Linux from early
grades
: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My
kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion
platforms.
- Original Message -
From: Gilad Ben-Yossef [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Nadav Har'El [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ely Levy
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Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
On Thu
Avraham wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 14:19, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
A research paid for by Microsoft. Allow me to be skeptical... ;-)
Linux is sometime cheaper and sometimes not so is every other
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
wrote:
My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a masters program at Touro College and Beit Morasha
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Ely Levy wrote about Edu in linux:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
A very important topic indeed.
6)Does matach does programs which can't be
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
someone knows matach's homepage?
i remmebered it once but I can't find it anymore for some weird reason..
http://www.cet.ac.il/
or: http://www.cet.co.il/
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On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My
kids
(all 10 of them
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Shoshannah Forbes wrote:
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 13:19 Asia/Jerusalem, Jonathan Ben Avraham
wrote:
My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments
in
doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is
On Thursday 02 January 2003 12:53, Ely Levy wrote:
This and that, you are arguing absolutely useless points which boil down to
your personal opinions, biased towards your now outdated experiences.
Now why don't you stop wasting your time with the debate and actually go to a
school near you,
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
to OS wars?
Have you ever seen anyone who learned Linux and was unable to work
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Ben Avraham
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: Edu in linux
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the
class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time
or patience to
convert
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even two out of thirty-five kids in the
class.
This is one thing that I never understood- word can read a wide
variety
of Hebrew document formats, so why insist on the files being submitted
as doc?
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to
submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not
Title: RE: Edu in linux
3 years ago I did support to the schools in B7. There (I guess in other cities too) was support cost by hours. So, If school needs file/printer server the cost is same for both MS and Linux. But, if school(specialized in math and comp) needs Web/FTP + DB server, Linux
Quoting Tzafrir Cohen, from the post of Thu, 02 Jan:
Frankly, there is no ms-word format. There are a bunch of
(non-compatible) formats: word2, word6, word7(95), word8(97), word9(2000),
word10(xp) and now there is a word11 (.net?).
MS swore on their mother's grave that OfficeXP is bit-by-bit
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever boys will
switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
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On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 15:03, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
So you think what your children need to be successful adults is full
knowledge of Word?
Funny, I prefer my children to learn to think for themselves, be self
reliant, learn to solve problems and be creative, learn to protect their
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
.doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 16:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
courses on Linux, SQL, Apache, PHP, cvs, bla-bla-bla 20 clever
boys will
switch from Ms to Linux.
boys *and girls*, I hope.
Yep :-) (and let's
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
terms of both production tools and training. Also, many of the academic
community who plan the content want to use features that Msoft offers
that are not standard technologies in order to get maximum visual effect
about Re: Edu in linux:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework assignments in
.doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past four years. My wife
is in a masters program at Touro College
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 16:05, Alex Shnitman wrote:
[ Note: I edited the order of paragraph in Alex's post from the original
]
And you can very well think for yourself, be self-reliant, learn to
solve problems, be creative, learn to protect your rights and ask smart
questions, while at the same
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Recently Channel 2 news carried a story about large families (like yours)
whose schools demand 500 shekels a year (or more) from each child for
school trips. For the school it's much easier and nicer to force everyone
to fit this mold and not cause problems. But what does a
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Hi Ely,
You are wasting your time. Israeli K12 has no use for Linux. Been there,
done that. If the kids don't have the same OS at school as at home then
forget it. If it doesn't run MS Word
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Weinstein wrote:
Pretty well is the key word here - you need perfect compliance IMO.
And CrossOver is not free (or am I wrong?), which means you need to
purchase an Office license and CrossOver, so the cost saving shrinks.
They have the same problems with moving from
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Right. Full localization of the working environment the (child) user
normally works with is normally needed. Except for English and such
programs, that is.
And that working environment may be even a dedicated application, in some
cases.
I
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
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I agree on the part that while being MALKAR and living from
public funds they should be open source.
I also think that they should at least be forced to concider porting
their programs to other OSs.
I think making people use any kind of software over the other is a bad bad
idea and kind of ruin
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On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our
I agree coverting from office 97 to XP is much harder
especialy when it comes to hebrew.
actualy that is the reason why a lot of people do use RTF
when they don't know the version of windows the person they are sending
it to would have.
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Boulgakov Andrei wrote:
I think battle for Linux Desktops in schools is useless. Battle should be on
Colleges and Univercities, there jobs usually submitted in english :) . All
we can do in school - work with 15-17 aged. As example I can tell you about
activities of Amuta
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
consumers of most of the technologies and products that they use, be it
computer software or canned
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Guy Baruch wrote:
Nadav Har'El wrote:
Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
OT, as well as
politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
Maybe it is! but it is part of it!
actualy it is part of the reason of why I'm bringing it up now
Ben Avraham wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My
kids (all 10 of them) had to submit a portion of their homework
assignments in .doc format (Gush Etzion school system) for the past
four years. My wife is in a masters program
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Guy Baruch wrote about Re: Edu in linux:
Treatment of multiple-children families by the state and society is way
OT, as well as
politically explosive, lets NOT go there.
This is indeed getting OT, but I'd just like to point out that while the
treatment of multiple
I'd like to try to give a summary of some of the points raised in this
thread:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to mind.
There are a number of
I think that if there is a time to push matach on porting things to linux
it's now,
maybe we should originize and approch haching like eitan or nachama ronen,
and ask them,
1)make matach allowing the port of programs to linux,
2)release their rav pealim word list (remember they wanted to pay ibm
Seems like you're advocating the round about route first.
Lobbying an MK to put some weight can never the first stage of any
process. It's something that should be done only after regular channels
fail.
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
I think that if there is a time to push matach on
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
This friend of mine, on the other hand, can now do absolutely nothing with
his knowledge of Turbo Pascal
This is a claim I find odd. Most of programming is not about learning the
syntax of a specific language.
and DOS, and yelling But these were the
On 2 Jan 2003, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Everyone has a choice, of course. I do think that such an attitude is a
bad one though. No, not everyone needs to be a rocket scientist. But I
don't think you need a rocket scientist to have a basic understanding of
how things work.
This I can relate
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote:
1. Do not forget support cost - it usually higher for Linux than for
Windows (there was appropriate IDC report).
Doesn't matter, the numbers are quite diffrent for goverments.
2. I want my kids to be
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote:
Cause what he would use outside in the world has nothing to do with the
things he uses at school in school he learns browesing/office
he DOESNT learn how to use windows.
browsing and office are the most common uses for windows for
non-developers (most
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
On Thu, Jan 02, 2003, Victor Zaslavsky wrote about RE: Edu in linux:
2. I want my kids to be ready to start their work immediately in any
normal office. Why should I to sacrifice competitive strength of my kids
to OS wars?
Have you ever seen anyone
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:30, Alex Shnitman wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 17:57, Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
Don't forget that not everyone in this world is meant to become a
programmer. In fact, *all* the people in the modern world are mere
consumers of most of the technologies and
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
I remember very clearly a discussion I had with a friend 11 years ago
when I was in the 11th grade. We were studying then Turbo Pascal on DOS and
also using Windows (3.1) at school, and I told him about C and Unix, which
were virtually unknown
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
Hi Shoshannah,
The reason is that the teacher wants all the kids in the class to submit
material in the same format. The teacher does not have time or patience to
convert document formats for even
On Thursday, Jan 2, 2003, at 19:17 Asia/Jerusalem, Ely Levy wrote:
anyhow I would like to remind the EU is working on enchant OO file
format
that would become the official file format for documetation and passing
info between goverment and citizans. The guys who work on it seems to
be
very
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Xavier Gentoo wrote:
Unless of course *you* are comfortable that *your* kids are going to be
deprived of elementary independent thinking, that is. If you are, I suggest
you watch Total Recall 2070 to see how bright out future is going to be.
So someone who chooses MS
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Alon Altman wrote:
I think we should try and pass legislation that schools will be forbidden
to require the students to purchase closed software to submit their
schoolwork.
How is that different than requiring students to buy a certain textbook?
(In Haifa we rarely did
Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And C is the only language that is expected to bootstrap
itself.[1]
snipped to footnote
[1] - There are a few exceptions. ghc is an Haskell compiler that is the
only tool capable of compiling its own Haskell code. The GNU Ada compiler
is written in
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Nadav Har'El wrote:
Imagine a country where not only can schools use free software, but kids
are actually free to use the same software at home without draining the
family's budget. This is not only essential to sick kids, but also useful
for parents who cannot afford
Levy
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Subject: Re: Edu in linux
On Thu, 2003-01-02 at 13:19, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
home. The Windows vocabulary has entered our daily Hebrew speech. My
kids
(all 10 of them) had to submit
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to mind.
Well, the first thing that you'll need is localization. You need all the
text,
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2003 01:34:25 +0200 (IST), Ely Levy wrote
Hey,
I wanted to raise a discussion about the intergation of linux on schools
and kindergardens around israel.
there are few questions that come to mind.
Well, the first thing that you'll
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