Against Soddomite Beds (was: Re: redhat's new desktop policy)

2002-09-17 Thread Omer Zak
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Oleg Kobets wrote: One of the lines say, that it's the best thing happened to linux, and I agree. Having unified desktop is much more organized, makes support much easier and besides, if linux was organized enough it just might beat MS to the masses. We do want that to

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 00:54, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Amir Tal wrote: you all (i am guessing here..) read slashdot, so i guess you saw the article speaking about the new policy RH are taking in their new beta. i am reffering to the fact that they decided to unite

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Monday 16 September 2002 15:34, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: in my opinion, this is starting to look like a classic MS scenario, which i definetly dont like. What MS scenario are you specifically talking about? In the Windows monopoly world, you don't have a choice - here you have all

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:13:42AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: this is not about if they have a right or not. this is about giving you a living fact, without being able to choose. we think its better, we like it that way, get use to it ! Sorry, wrong. Kindly look up default in the dictionary, and

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 03:59, Yaad Golani wrote: On Tuesday 17 September 2002 00:04, you wrote: you all (i am guessing here..) read slashdot, so i guess you saw the article speaking about the new policy RH are taking in their new beta. i am reffering to the fact that they decided

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 08:11, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:50:19PM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: On Monday 16 September 2002 21:57, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Amir Tal, a change to the cable HOWTO is probably in order... you lost me here.. if they use the same pptp,

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 08:38, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:37:43AM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:11:49AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Your howto says: (http://www.whatsup.org.il/CABLES-DHCP-PPTP-HOWTO.html) note that you will have to

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 08:38, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:37:43AM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:11:49AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Your howto says: (http://www.whatsup.org.il/CABLES-DHCP-PPTP-HOWTO.html) note that you will have to

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:38:14AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:37:43AM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: However the package name is called netvision-connect.tar.gz. I thought the original package name is pptp.1.1-0-1.tar.gz. Isn't this modifying the package? Not

Computer sale - prices and more details

2002-09-17 Thread Itamar Shtull-Trauring
I will be in office today at 16:00 for a few hours, so that's a good time to come. Other than iMac and 866 machine, whoever comes first or makes offer first gets the stuff, and gets to choose better equipment. It's Ha'Taas 14, Ezor Taasiah Kfar-Saba, 2nd floor - company name is MAXIMA (same

Rewriting ivrix webpage.

2002-09-17 Thread Ely Levy
We are trying to renew ivrix's webpage and we need some help, We need someone who knows web design and preferibly php. www.ivrix.org.il in case anyone wondered;) Ely = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 10:56, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:38:14AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 08:37:43AM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: However the package name is called netvision-connect.tar.gz. I thought the original package name is

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 10:22, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 10:13:42AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: this is not about if they have a right or not. this is about giving you a living fact, without being able to choose. we think its better, we like it that way, get use to it

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 01:14, David Howard wrote: On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 00:04, Amir Tal wrote: you all (i am guessing here..) read slashdot, so i guess you saw the article speaking about the new policy RH are taking in their new beta. [snip] i switched to debian a few weeks ago,

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:15:45AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: Sorry, wrong. Kindly look up default in the dictionary, and while you're there, option. Redhat changed the *default* look, of course you can change it to your liking! hmmno. parts of the original kde desktop were removed,

netvision binary pptp-linux results

2002-09-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
Howdy, Well, the binary netvision distributes is bit-by-bit identical to vanilla pptp-linux, version 1.1.0. However, the fact that netvision distributes a binary without mention of where it came from seems to me to be an infringement of the GPL (IANAL, nor do I play one in email). What's more,

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:35:43AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: growing old, and fast..remember ? ;) I think that was in another thread, but yeah, I'll shut up now :) ObLinux, I've been doing a fair bit of bash scripting lately. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/, everything you ever wanted to

Re: netvision binary pptp-linux results

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 11:29, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Howdy, Well, the binary netvision distributes is bit-by-bit identical to vanilla pptp-linux, version 1.1.0. However, the fact that netvision distributes a binary without mention of where it came from seems to me to be an

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:11:49AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: However the package name is called netvision-connect.tar.gz. I thought the original package name is pptp.1.1-0-1.tar.gz. Isn't this modifying the package? People, Please! The package

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 01:26, Oleg Kobets wrote: Well, I don't mean to flame, but did you read the Slashdot article to the end ? One of the lines say, that it's the best thing happened to linux, and I agree. Having unified desktop is much more organized, makes support much easier and

Re: Linux for the community

2002-09-17 Thread Ely Levy
On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, spring wrote: Under internet linux currently has a problem of explorer-only sites (blame the ddesigners, blame netscape, blame microsoft, it still won't go away in the coming year). Apart from that: mozilla has a problem with printing Hebrew,which means that konqueror

Re: Linux for the community

2002-09-17 Thread Ely Levy
xprint.mozdev.org ofcourse, btw is it just me or mozdev is down? Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 12:14, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Guy Cohen wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 08:11:49AM +0300, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: However the package name is called netvision-connect.tar.gz. I thought the original package name is pptp.1.1-0-1.tar.gz. Isn't

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Ely Levy
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 17 Sep 2002, David Howard wrote: Sent using Evolution in Libranet Linux. How is libranet, BTW? How easy is it to install packackes from debian's stable on it? How many incompatibilities are there? libranet is everything but libra it

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Ely Levy
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RW Well, this is a pretty much abused subject, the RedCrap is not RW Linux thing. I agree, they start to behave in Redmond's way, What is Redmond's way? Another way of saying I hate them but I can't explain that logically, so I better swear?

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 11:00, Amir Tal wrote: and as i told guy offlist, you can take GPL'd files, tar.gz them and call it stam-shem.tar.gz . as long as there are no changes to the original files packaged, there is no problem. netvision-connect contains the original (so it seems)

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Yaad Golani
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has nothing to do with Redmond's way redhat giving linux in the way they think the best. That's what makes linux not like windows, the ability to do just that. Nah. Microsoft do what's best for them as well. I'm no Einstein, but something

I am unable to unsubscibe from the list

2002-09-17 Thread levo
I have sent several times unsubscribe mesg to linux-il-request I still cannot disconnect. Perhaps listproc do not work ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the

Database recommendation needed

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Sternberg
Hello I'm looking for a small and simple database for Linux embedded system. It have to be: 1. Small footprint - in limits of 200-300 Kb stripped 2. Connectable - ODBC, JDBC, embedded SQL, perl or something 3. Tolerant enough to sudden power downs MiniSQL (aka mSQL) seems to be targeted to

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Amir Tal wrote: this is not about if they have a right or not. this is about giving you a living fact, without being able to choose. we think its better, we like it that way, get used to it ! Funny that you say that, as a debian user:

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Guy Cohen
On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:11:49AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: Comparing binaries to ascertain how different/same they are is not easy, but can be done. Where can I find netvision's binary? http://www.whatsup.org.il/netvision-connect.tar.gz Where is the binary on *netvision* site?

Re: Database recommendation needed

2002-09-17 Thread Gal Hammer
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Michael Sternberg wrote: I'm looking for a small and simple database for Linux embedded system. It have to be: GigaBASE (http://www.ispras.ru/~knizhnik/gigabase.html) might fit. I think. Gal Hammer. =

SendSMS 3.2 - Orange support restored

2002-09-17 Thread Nadav Har'El
Finally I am releasing version 3.2 of SendSMS, with support to Orange phones fully restored. Thanks to Dan Kenigsberg for writing much of the new code and helping in QA, and to Alon Altman for part of the Hebrew support. The Source is strong in these ones :) As usual, the release can be found

KOffice and BiDi

2002-09-17 Thread herouth
I just tested the new KOffice 1.2. I haven't noted anybody commenting on this, but there doesn't seem to be any tool to set the main paragraph direction, other than recognizing the first letter of the paragraph. Am I missing something? Is it worth posting a feature request to KDE? Does it bother

Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Hi, I've had it with Netvision and am looking for a new ISP. My reasons: 1. Their lines often go down on shabbat and are not fixed until late that night. I don't use the line on shabbat, but my mail server does (collects mail from the states) and sometimes I set

RE: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Assaf Flatto
Title: RE: Netvision, or I need a new ISP Have you tried Actcom ?? A big part of their ISP services are Linux based and they provide static IP to anyone with a permenet connection (both cable and ADSL). They are also very helpful with thier support team and fairly cheap. Assi

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader
Quoth Geoffrey S. Mendelson: 1. STATIC IP (must have, will pay). Actcom 2. 1.5mbit cable (I have 750k now, might as well upgrade). !Actcom (at least, not free) -- ---OFCNL This is MY list. This list belongs to ME! I will flame anyone I want. Official Flamer/Cabal

Re: I am unable to unsubscibe from the list

2002-09-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
levo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have sent several times unsubscribe mesg to linux-il-request I still cannot disconnect. Have you tried linux-il-owner? -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] = ... Of theoretical physics and

USB Cable Modem?

2002-09-17 Thread Alon Altman
Hi, Anyone got a motorola surfboard USB cable modem operating under linux? If so, what is needed? Alon -- This message was sent by Alon Altman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ICQ:1366540 The RIGHT way to contact me is by e-mail. I am otherwise nonexistent :)

Re: Hebrew encoding when sending HTML files

2002-09-17 Thread Eliran
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: The second line should show you the source Today I just find out that RLM; and LRM; should be written as rlm; and lrm; Thanks! -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G/a = To unsubscribe, send mail

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Eliran
Amir Tal wrote: kde is kde, gnome is gnome, and thats the way its suppose to be. you want a new desktop ? a united desktop ? a uniqe desktop ? go ahead, but dont *force* users to use it. A good solution would be to put three selections in the X configuration setup window * Gnome * KDE *

Re: USB Cable Modem?

2002-09-17 Thread Adir Abraham
The latest beta of Mandrake 9.0 contains some USB cable modem drivers, and they work really good (at least for my AMBIT modem). If you ask me though - it would be better to connect your modem to an Ethernet adapter. It works better, and all you need is a recognized (...) network card. 3COM in my

Re: USB Cable Modem?

2002-09-17 Thread Eliran
Alon Altman wrote: Hi, Anyone got a motorola surfboard USB cable modem operating under linux? If so, what is needed? Alon I'm planing to connect to actom Cable's service -- which modem should I ask for ? -- a href=http://www.rootshell.be/~eg;Eliran G/a

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread David Howard
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 01:56, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 17 Sep 2002, David Howard wrote: Sent using Evolution in Libranet Linux. How is libranet, BTW? I'm a committed partisan of Libranet. Debian (potato) installs were always broken somewhere for me, often in lots of packages. Libranet

Re: new cable-howto

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 14:56, Guy Cohen wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:11:49AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: Comparing binaries to ascertain how different/same they are is not easy, but can be done. Where can I find netvision's binary?

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 19:14, Eliran wrote: Amir Tal wrote: kde is kde, gnome is gnome, and thats the way its suppose to be. you want a new desktop ? a united desktop ? a uniqe desktop ? go ahead, but dont *force* users to use it. A good solution would be to put three selections in

Re: redhat's new desktop policy

2002-09-17 Thread David Howard
On Tue, 2002-09-17 at 12:43, Ely Levy wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On 17 Sep 2002, David Howard wrote: Sent using Evolution in Libranet Linux. How is libranet, BTW? Excellent! Debian with a straightforward install and near-perfect HW detection. How easy

Re: I am unable to unsubscibe from the list

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 12:34, levo wrote: I have sent several times unsubscribe mesg to linux-il-request I still cannot disconnect. Perhaps listproc do not work ? once you get in, there's no way out ;) = To

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 15:24, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: Hi, I've had it with Netvision and am looking for a new ISP. My reasons: 1. Their lines often go down on shabbat and are not fixed until late that night. I don't use the line on shabbat, but my mail

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Contrary to you - I don't have complains to netvision... Static IP - I don't need one. I simply registerd to dyndns.org and install the ddclient on my gateway. End of story.. Mail problems when disconnecting - well, with dyndns.org you just ask your friend to be a backup MX for you, so when

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Ariel Biener
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Static IP - I don't need one. I simply registerd to dyndns.org and install the ddclient on my gateway. End of story.. This is going around the problem, but lets say Ok, see below. Mail problems when disconnecting - well, with dyndns.org you just ask

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Orna Agmon
Another Netvision Aspect: I used to have a dollar-a-day account at netvision. Around February, some sales person called, and offered me the no-limit account. I clearly refused. Ever since then, they have been charging me for a no-limit account. I talked to them a month ago, and the customer

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 14:41, Ariel Biener wrote: As for support - I called them few times at 3:00 AM and there was always someone there. Sure, those windows supporters sucks when it comes to Linux, but you should ask for the manager who's in charge. And the manager will also be

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Mail problems when disconnecting - well, with dyndns.org you just ask your friend to be a backup MX for you, so when you're offline for various reasons -his server gets your emails and once your server is back online and re-registerd your dyndns.org host (with the ddclient which does

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Oleg Kobets
You know it's funny, cause I have been with this guy from Netvision support in the MCSE class and guess what ? Netvision requirement for the job is MCSE or at least MCP titles. It's ridiculos but that's how it is. If you don't have one of the titles, you cannot apply for the job. Now imagine

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 17:44, Oleg Kobets wrote: You know it's funny, cause I have been with this guy from Netvision support in the MCSE class and guess what ? Netvision requirement for the job is MCSE or at least MCP titles. It's ridiculos but that's how it is. If you don't have one of

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Amir Tal [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. STATIC IP (must have, will pay). actcom - free of charge. 2. 1.5mbit cable (I have 750k now, might as well upgrade). actcom. 3. Linux support. actcom ! 4. 24/7 or at least 24/5 + Friday to close to Shabbat and Motzi

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Hetz Ben Hamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the manager will also be mostly clueless. Well, it really depends, on what you read him from the /var/log/messages During my last call to Netvision the support person listened to what I told him I saw in /var/log/messages, said that it was

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Oron Peled
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:32:21 -0400 Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I noticed something - those Linux persons from Netvision support tend to know Windows much better than their Linux - illiterate colleagues. Nothing is special about it (peek your favorite explanation): - You can't

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Oron Peled
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:32:21 -0400 Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be just more rightful to call those Linux support guys of Netvision person, who MUST SUPPORT WINDOWS and MAY support Linux IN CASE OF NEED. Getting *professional* support from part-time Linux support person?

Re: Netvision, or I need a new ISP

2002-09-17 Thread Alex Chudnovsky
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 21:22, Oron Peled wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 00:32:21 -0400 Alex Chudnovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be just more rightful to call those Linux support guys of Netvision person, who MUST SUPPORT WINDOWS and MAY support Linux IN CASE OF NEED. Getting

Re: Database recommendation needed

2002-09-17 Thread Michael Sternberg
I received a couple of private answers from list and thought to share them with all of you. Between choices were XML files, SleepyCat db, SQLite and couple of others. I chosed SQLite and here is why: Pros: Public domain - use for any purpose without paying. Small disk footprint - executable +