Re: moving Kubuntu to a new drive

2019-05-05 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Here's how I do such stuff: Partition the new disk however you want. Boot from a live disk (e.g. - an Ubuntu installation DoK) Mount both old and new, and copy everything over. I usually use "cd old ; tar cf - . | tar -C /new xvf -". Shut down

Re: moving Kubuntu to a new drive

2019-05-05 Thread borissh1983
On Wednesday, 1 May 2019 7:29:37 IDT Shlomo Solomon wrote: > The subject says it all. But a few more details. My 1Tb drive is > about to die and I'm moving to a new 3Tb drive. The drive > (/dev/sda) includes 5 partitions - / , /home , /boot/efi , /data , > swap. Most of the bad blocks seem to

Re: moving Kubuntu to a new drive

2019-05-02 Thread vordoo
Hi, My 2c... Stop using the bad HDD ASAP. Verify you have all your data from your backups first. If you are missing data from the backups, restore from the bad HDD first. This restoration is best left for professionals or a long read-up

Re: moving Kubuntu to a new drive

2019-05-01 Thread Guy Gold
Hi, If a fresh install is an option - it's probably the best one, (depending on the extra work it may present ). (imo) . If I must clone, I'd use clonezilla, and have used it extensively, for the most part, I've had good results for both personal or production use. As for dd - unless you've had

Re: moving Kubuntu to a new drive

2019-04-30 Thread Geoffrey Mendelson
I tried clonzilla to move an lvm partitioned disk to a new one. it used various forms of dd copying. The copy went sucessfully, but it did not boot. Fsck failed with hundreds if not thousands of bad files, duplicate inodes, etc. In the end I just did a fresh install from the original

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Lior Okman
Hi, You could try something like Concourse ( https://concourse-ci.org/ ). It allows you to define a pipeline which is comprised of jobs and the order in which they should be invoked. -- Lior On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Rabin Yasharzadehe wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some advice,

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:42:35 +0300 Omer Zak wrote: > For dependency management, you may want to use 'make' or modern Hi Omer, While corresponding with someone offlist, I had another idea maybe as good as using make. I could make a customized installation of the process supervisor part of

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 12:25:21 +0300 Dimid Duchovny wrote: > Hi Rabin, > > > I'm far from being a linux expert, but isn't dependency between > services handled by systemd? > E.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers If you drive on that side of the road :-) More seriously, I

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 09:42:35 +0300 Omer Zak wrote: > For dependency management, you may want to use 'make' If you can depend on each task to create specific files, yeah, that sounds like a great idea. I should have thought of it. And then you just put it in a loop so things are always being

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread linux.il
I suggest to check Jenkins (as already suggested) and Rundeck. Vitaly On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Rabin Yasharzadehe wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some advice, currently I have a huge cron file which schedules > tasks one after anther, and each task is position precisely (with some room >

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Moish
try GNUbatch On 19/06/2018 09:06, Rabin Yasharzadehe wrote: Hi all, I need some advice, currently I have a huge cron file which schedules tasks one after anther, and each task is

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Omer Zak
1. Execution time limits: Ansible has async with polling intervals. I did not research for methods to kill hung tasks. https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/user_guide/playbooks_async.html 2. Dashboard-like functionality According to:

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Ari Becker
Hi Rabin, Did you consider using Jenkins? It may be a little heavyweight, but it should be relatively easy to set up and configure. You can use the same scripts you're using today, the ability to state which jobs run on which nodes, set up dependencies between them, set timeouts, set cron

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Rabin Yasharzadehe
systemd is a complete different tool, which was not designed for this kinda purpose. (maybe in the future it will grow to be something like that ;-) ) I'm looking for something a bit more sophisticated then "go to this machine" and "run this script" and "expect this result" i like to define

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Dimid Duchovny
Hi Rabin, I'm far from being a linux expert, but isn't dependency between services handled by systemd? E.g. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd/Timers HTH 2018-06-19 12:12 GMT+03:00 Moish : > Try GNUbatch. > > > On June 19, 2018 9:42:35 AM GMT+03:00, Omer Zak wrote: > >> For

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Moish
Try GNUbatch. On June 19, 2018 9:42:35 AM GMT+03:00, Omer Zak wrote: >For dependency management, you may want to use 'make' or modern >equivalents ('ant', 'gradle', etc.). >For controlling remote nodes, 'ansible' may be able to do the work. > >--- Omer Zak > > >On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 09:06

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Rabin Yasharzadehe
I'll have to read the documentation to learn more, but this project seems barely maintained as only minor versions each year or two (last release was 2 years ago), that doesn't give a lot of confidence. but i'll check it out thanks. -- Rabin On Tue, 19 Jun 2018 at 09:43, Marc Volovic wrote:

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Omer Zak
For dependency management, you may want to use 'make' or modern equivalents ('ant', 'gradle', etc.). For controlling remote nodes, 'ansible' may be able to do the work. --- Omer Zak On Tue, 2018-06-19 at 09:06 +0300, Rabin Yasharzadehe wrote: > Hi all,  > > I need some advice, currently I have

Re: Moving away from cron jobs to some workflow manager

2018-06-19 Thread Rabin Yasharzadehe
never heard of it, but from reading the manual and the 10minute presentation , it's seems like it is more suitable for data crunching, where you have a pool of compute resources and you submit jobs to it. my case is a bit different, where I have many jobs which need to run (orchestrated) on there

Re: Moving mail

2010-09-24 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 07:12:10PM +0200, Geoff Shang wrote: The new mail has been showing up here for months, and everyone who uses her Email service is very happy with our hosting of her Email. What I want to do now is move the old remaining mail from the old site into the equivalent

Re: Moving mail

2010-09-23 Thread Geoff Shang
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Moish wrote: Connect to the old mail system, download the messages to local storage, connect to the new system using imap and then move the mail from local folders to remote folders. I've done it with Thunderbird but any decent client would do it. I recall that there were

Re: Moving mail

2010-09-23 Thread Moish
On 23/09/2010 19:12, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, Thought I'd tap into the collective whisdom to help solve this one. A few friends and I run a Linode VPS running Debian stable. We're using Postfix for our MTA, with virtual mailboxes in Maildir format. We offer Squirrelmail as one of our webmail

Re: Moving house: have at my junk

2010-08-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:49, Itay Donenhirsch i...@bazoo.org wrote: hi where do you live? Nesher, near Haifa. -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il

Re: Moving house: have at my junk

2010-08-08 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Aug 8, 2010, at 7:19 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:49, Itay Donenhirsch i...@bazoo.org wrote: hi where do you live? Nesher, near Haifa. Speaking of that, there is some things I want, but have no way of getting. If anyone is going there and then coming to

Re: Moving house: have at my junk

2010-08-05 Thread Itay Donenhirsch
hi where do you live? On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: We're moving house and our junk is your gain. Below are two photos of the stuff you can adopt. I'm too tired now to list it all out, so I'll do that tomorrow morning. Enjoy.

Re: Moving house: have at my junk

2010-08-04 Thread Dotan Cohen
I've had my coffee, here are the details: junk.jpg: * Atari video computer system * HP 4255 (needs work), HP 1600 (needs cartridges), Assorted chargers * Mango phone, Universal solar phone charger, Jabra bluetooth headset, Silicon case for N95, 4 port KVM, 20GB WD IDE hard drives, Optical drive

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT

2009-09-16 Thread geoffrey mendelson
On Sep 16, 2009, at 6:21 PM, shlomo solomon wrote: This has been discussed before, but not recently and things do change over time. So, I'd like to hear opinions. I've have both, a 2.5m aDSL line and a 5m HOT line. The aDSL line uses 012 as my ISP, the HOT line as Netvision. I really

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/10/8 Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm thinking of moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable). I wanted to know 2 things: 1 - Since today I have an ADSL router (bought from Bezek), I no longer use pptp, NAT or any other Linux tools to connect to the Internet. The router is the only computer

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Dotan Cohen
2008/10/9 Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Now I'm confused. Firstly, I certainly don't expect to plug the HOT modem into the ADSL plug. As I already wrote (see quote above), I thought I could plug the HOT modem into one of the ethernet ports. I may be missing something, but I don't

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:20:22PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Now I'm confused. Firstly, I certainly don't expect to plug the HOT modem into the ADSL plug. As I already wrote (see quote above), I thought I could plug the HOT modem into one of the ethernet ports. I may be missing something,

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 09:23:23AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote: I have lots of problems with Hot disconnecting and very high latency. Hot blames Nezeq Beinleimi, Nezek blames Hot. I personally believe that Nezeq is to blame for the latency, but Hot is to blame for the _hours_ of downtime every

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread shimi
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Gilboa Davara wrote: Do remember that unlike PPTP/L2TP, as far as my firewall is concerned (which connects directly over Ethernet to the HOT modem), I'm using normal IP-over-Ethernet to

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Geoff Shang
Shlomo Solomon wrote: My assumption is that I could still use the same router after moving to HOT. I would just have to unplug the ADSL line and plug the HOT modem into one of the ethernet ports on the router. Am I correct? well if you want to still use the router as a router, I'd think that

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Thursday 09 October 2008, shimi wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: My assumption is that I could still use the same router after moving to HOT. I would just have to unplug the ADSL line and plug the HOT modem into one of the ethernet ports on the router. Am I

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread shimi
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2008, shimi wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: My assumption is that I could still use the same router after moving to HOT. I would just have to unplug the ADSL

Re: router compatibility (was Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable))

2008-10-10 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 10:47:39AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: OK - so assuming I can't use the router I bought fom Bezeq after moving to HOT, can anyone say if they've had any Linux experience (good or bad) using the cheap routers sold by www.ivory.co.il? The two models they have are: 1 -

router compatibility (was Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable))

2008-10-10 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Friday 10 October 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: The usual routers only have one ethernet port on the LAN side, not 4. It is connected to an internal 5 port hub, so you get 4 LAN ports to plug things into, but the router part only sees one port. OK - so assuming I can't use the router I

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-10 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 10:20:22PM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2008, shimi wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Shlomo Solomon wrote: My assumption is that I could still use the same router after moving to HOT. I would just have to unplug the ADSL line and

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-09 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 09:41:48PM +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: Do remember that unlike PPTP/L2TP, as far as my firewall is concerned (which connects directly over Ethernet to the HOT modem), I'm using normal IP-over-Ethernet to connect to the Internet (with somewhat lower MTU). You are a very

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-09 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Gilboa Davara wrote: Do remember that unlike PPTP/L2TP, as far as my firewall is concerned (which connects directly over Ethernet to the HOT modem), I'm using normal IP-over-Ethernet to connect to the Internet (with somewhat lower MTU). Since in my case (still

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread sara fink
Don't do the mistake to move to Hot. It will be the mistake of your life. Lots of disconnections, old modems, bad service, over charging,waiting on the phone line at least 20 min). I don't want to name all the defects. Even their CEO Kaminitz agrees that they have to improve the service. Their

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Gilboa Davara wrote: If you ISP supports it (Barak does) you can use DHCP instead of L2TP/PPTP. In this case, you router no longer needs to do anything (beyond NAT) Thanks, but maybe my question wasn't clear enough. In the past, I did pptp and NAT on my Linux box

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Eran Levy
Since you have a router, you shouldn't have any problem connecting your network. Just configure your router. I'm using HOT cables + netvision and it works fine. Eran On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Shlomo Solomon [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Gilboa Davara wrote: If

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: As for the phone deal, it's ok, but there are better and cheaper deals depending on what call quality you want, and where you want to call. To replace a BEZEQ line, it's a good deal and does not use their infrastructure. Thanks for the

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Shlomo Solomon
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: First of all, you do not want to use DHCP. The actual name of what is hapening is called MPLS and it to be blunt sucks. The extra overhead of a pptp or more likely l2tp tunnel is IMHO worth it, although if you are at the edge of

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:43:55AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: easier to manage and use /etc/hosts), I added the MAC addresses of all machines to the reserved IP address list and specified what IP to give each. This gives me 2 advantages: 1 - constant IPs on the network 2 - If needed, I can

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 11:03:25AM +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: As for reliability, service and speed, the best thing to do is to call HOT and ask for their business internet sales office. They offer higher speeds, better reliabilty and they will come and fix problems a lot better and a

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 09:20:58AM +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: Thanks, but maybe my question wasn't clear enough. In the past, I did pptp and NAT on my Linux box and shared my internet connection over the entire network. Since I bought an ADSL router from Bezek, everything is literaly plug

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 21:36 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote: On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 11:03 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: First of all, you do not want to use DHCP. The actual name of what is hapening is called MPLS and it to be blunt sucks. The extra overhead of a pptp or more likely l2tp

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-08 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 11:03 +0200, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: First of all, you do not want to use DHCP. The actual name of what is hapening is called MPLS and it to be blunt sucks. The extra overhead of a pptp or more likely l2tp tunnel is IMHO worth it, although if you are at the edge of

Re: moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable)

2008-10-07 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 05:41 +0200, Shlomo Solomon wrote: I'm thinking of moving from ADSL to HOT (Cable). I wanted to know 2 things: 1 - Since today I have an ADSL router (bought from Bezek), I no longer use pptp, NAT or any other Linux tools to connect to the Internet. The router is the

Re: Moving OS from one Vmware to another

2006-10-26 Thread Jacob Broido
Hey,Inorder to answer you, I need some more inputs from you.1) Which product of Vmware are you talking about? Is it ESX ? or Workstation,GSX,Server?2) You've mentioned 1GB-2GB... Do you want to extend existing VM of 1GB to span accross 2GB ? Is it acceptable for you to perform an offline

Re: Moving OS from one Vmware to another

2006-10-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hello, I need to move Debian from a Vmware with 1GB space to a new one with 2GB. What is the easiest way to achieve exact copy ? Same as between hard disks, I guess. Connect the new hard disk to the existing machine. Create the partition layout you want. Copy the files

Re: Moving OS from one Vmware to another

2006-10-26 Thread Jacob Broido
1)Shutdown the vm2) vmware-vdiskmanager -x new size file.vmdk3) boot the VM4) Resize the partition filesystems using standard linux tools... (parted,etc...)Voila. On 10/26/06, Shachar Shemesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Ben-Nes wrote: Hello, I need to move Debian from a Vmware with 1GB space

Re: Moving OS from one Vmware to another

2006-10-26 Thread Jacob Broido
1)Shutdown the vm 2) vmware-vdiskmanager -x new size file.vmdk 3) boot the VM 4) Resize the partition filesystems using standard linux tools... (parted,etc...) Voila. On 10/26/06, Jacob Broido [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Inorder to answer you, I need some more inputs from you. 1) Which

Re: Moving OS from one Vmware to another

2006-10-26 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Jacob Broido wrote: 1)Shutdown the vm 2) vmware-vdiskmanager -x new size file.vmdk 3) boot the VM 3.5) Make a VMWare snapshot, so that if step 4 goes wrong, you'll still be ok. 4) Resize the partition filesystems using standard linux tools... (parted,etc...) booted from a live CD (Knoppix

Re: Moving

2006-07-13 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Marc A. Volovic wrote: Lo, children. I am moving house. By 1st August. This being the case, and there being HEAVY stuff I am not really interested in moving, the following equipment is for TRADE or SALE (with significant preference to trade): 1. nStor CR8e RAID box with 7*18GB disks

Re: Moving

2006-07-05 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Marc A. Volovic, from the post of Tue, 04 Jul: No - seriously, I do NOT realy expect any of this. Just engage my interest. Truth be told, had I not been moving house, I'd be delighted to get Dawn Sun's working Amiga. I think that's being used for PHP development these days. I have an

[OFFTOPIC] Re: Moving

2006-07-05 Thread Omer Zak
On Wed, 2006-07-05 at 16:20 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Marc A. Volovic, from the post of Tue, 04 Jul: No - seriously, I do NOT realy expect any of this. Just engage my interest. Truth be told, had I not been moving house, I'd be delighted to get Dawn Sun's working Amiga. I think

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Amos Shapira
On 04/07/06, Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lo, children. I am moving house. By 1st August. This being the case, and there being HEAVY stuff I am not really interested in moving, the following equipment is for TRADE or SALE (with significant preference to trade): 1. nStor

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Eli Marmor: But I'm sure other people will be interested to have answers for the following questions: 1. nStor CR8e RAID box with 7*18GB disks 2. nStor CR8e RAID box with 8*36GB disks Including disks? How old and what RPM? I am not sure how to write #1 and #2

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Amos Shapira: Should this NOT go to someone by 30th of July, on the 31st of July #1 and #2 will be trash-binned and #4 will (possibly) be sent to Brasil to OpenBSD Wouldn't these be useful for community servers? Not really. they need a head to connect to something (i.e. a machine with a

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Marc A. Volovic wrote: Not really. they need a head to connect to something (i.e. a machine with a scsi controller). And - I do not know anyone with anything like the competence and the willingness to maintain this shit. Maybe,when I move, I'll contrib them to the local school. Not to

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Marc A. Volovic: 3. IBM x306 1U pizzabox 2.8GHz, 512MB RAM, SCSI disk 4. Sun Ultra 5 270MHz, 256MB, 10GB disk 5. Sun Ultra 60 1*450MHz, 1GB, 2*18GB disks, KB+M All three for ONE of: Namiki Cherry Blossom Namiki Wave and Plover Namiki Raden 2000

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
I am moving house. By 1st August. This being the case, and there being Also: 6. Systel PM1500 intelligent UPS -- ---MAV Marc A. Volovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Shachar Shemesh: Marc A. Volovic wrote: Not to mention that they can, today, be replaced by a single disk Yes. They are TWO 3U units, with TWO power supplies each and a LOT of leds. Shachar -- Shachar Shemesh Lingnu Open Source Consulting ltd. Have you backed up

Re: Moving

2006-07-04 Thread Marc A. Volovic
Quoth Marc A. Volovic: Namiki Cherry Blossom Namiki Wave and Plover Namiki Raden 2000 Namiki Sweet Flag and Moon Dani-Trio Squirrel and Grape Delta Monza Delta Venezia Delta Don Quixote Vermeil Namiki Sterling Dragon Namiki

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi! Just wanted to note that I fully agree with everything Amos Shapira said on this message. Hear, hear! Regards, Shlomi Fish On Saturday 14 May 2005 03:33, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: common as a server. So the crackers develop

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Uri Bruck
Shlomi Fish wrote: It's bread and circuses in English, AFAIR. Comes from Latin, if I know. Right and Right. http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/B0463950.html -- Thanks, Uri http://translation.israel.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start seeing the same there. Same flawed FUD

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux servers. If/When linux is very common on the

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:10:59PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: common as a server. So the crackers develop means to

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-14 Thread Michael Vasiliev
On Friday May 13 2005 15:42, Shlomi Fish wrote: Actually, a default install of Fedora took several months to break into. As opposed to less than 20 minutes for Windows. Could you please provide the source for that claim? I remember an anecdotial honeypots research in recent years done

Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Ori Idan
Kaspi Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: Moving to Linux On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote: this can be easiy changed; moreover, he claimed that since Linux is an open source, maybe it is even easier to develop viruses/spyware to it. In this point I did

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Omer Zak
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 10:18 +0300, Ori Idan wrote: I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not. For the simple people, let us look at the facts: 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote: I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not. For the simple people, let us look at the facts: 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, you wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote: I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not. For the simple people, let us look at the facts: 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:05:45PM +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote: I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not. For the simple people, let us look at the facts: 1. When was the last time any of this

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote: The reasons I don't prefer LISP are: [snip] We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for languages religious wars. This thread is long enough as it is. Just to prove my

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Friday 13 May 2005 15:01, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote: The reasons I don't prefer LISP are: [snip] We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for languages religious wars.

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/13/05, Ori Idan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not. For the simple people, let us look at the facts: 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is never)

Re: Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-13 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start seeing the same there. Same flawed FUD used by the MS camp. Apache is the most common web server in the

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote: I'm not that deep into Windows administration, I just know that, as far as I noticed, I never had to bother with it. Well recently I heard of someone who told me MS

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Shachar! Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss mailing list. Another good thing would be to try to

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-11 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Shachar! Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss mailing list. Another good thing

Microsoft Freecell [Re: Moving to Linux]

2005-05-11 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wednesday 11 May 2005 16:36, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Shlomi Fish wrote: Hi Shachar! Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site and its mirror, as well as forward this

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Danny Lieberman
my dad is 82 and he is fine on the command line I walked him thru some file system checking the other day on the phone - then again he's a PhD in System Science from UCLA (not a typical user) :-) danny Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:57:40AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: On

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Dan Kaspi
,it could be that thing had changed since then). Regards, Dan Kaspi From: Shoshannah Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: Moving to Linux Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 11:29:17 +0300 On 08/05/2005, at 15:40, Dan Kaspi wrote: I tried to convince somebody

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Dan Kaspi
,gedit,JEdit,... Regads, Dan Kaspi From: Kfir Lavi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: Moving to Linux Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:28:01 +0300 On Sunday 08 May 2005 15:40, you wrote: Hello, I tried to convince

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/10/05, Tzafrir Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, because it's very simple. You have to teach her once how to get to the shell (double click on that icon of the square in the toolbar). She can have some extra open and it won't be a problem. I should be able to do the same on Windows,

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/10/05, Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Frankly, I prefer the Two step approach- Well ,after reading the (quite many) responses and talking to him this seems to be what he is convinced to do. (at least at work, where he cannot afford himself spending time trying to solve

RE: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread El-al, Netta
i installed linux (first redhat, then mandrake) for my mom a few years ago. the reason: her tv card refused to work properly in windows no matter what we tried. so she was extremely happy with linux and hardly bugged me at all. and believe me, she's rather clueless on the computer (she does

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:03, you wrote: Also, if he has problem, can you help him by phone? Did you try to explein someone to vi a file and edit it? I tried it with my sister I agree that vi is not a sympathetic editor (I don't know if the tern editor is good for it; I would call it an

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: Moving to Linux: NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed from recent Welcome to Linuxes due to the fact that it seems knowing vi has become less and less important. Kfir, unless X-windows is not working

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Dan Kaspi
not think I will recommend to him using this X Server. Regards, Dan From: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linux-il@linux.org.il Subject: Re: Moving to Linux Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:13:53 +1000 On 5/10/05, Dan Kaspi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 13:11, you wrote: On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about Re: Moving to Linux: NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed from recent Welcome to Linuxes due to the fact that it seems knowing vi has become less and less important. Kfir

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:06:30PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: Heh. It is also important to understand that hardware played part in shaping the evolution of editors. When UNIX started, computers wrote output to line printers on paper, (very slowly). So people created editors like ed, where

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Yosef Meller
This would cause a major outcry on Slashdot: press_release Microsoft (MSFT) to announce new, innovative Windows Software Repository (tm) for bettter security and integration. The Microsoft Co. is pleased to announce that, comming with the next version of windows, code-named 'Longhorn', a new

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-10 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote: On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But there's always a possibility. In Windows, it's impossible to keep several versions of the same DLL due to the lack of symbolic links. And most packages come in installers, that install all

Re: Moving to Linux

2005-05-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, May 09, 2005, Amos Shapira wrote about Re: Moving to Linux: ... Debian (and other distro's) convenience is that it packages many utilities and add-ons in an easy uniform interface to download/install/config. This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special

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