separator does the job for me, as long as it is supported by screen
readers
- Rob
On 07/02/07, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My last email probably sounded too upbeat to merit acknowledgment, but
for the record are we all agreed that a separator element is a good
idea, just not in
Barney
I can't recall ever finding the need to use an hr and never normally
consider doing so. It is purely presentational, i.e. it draws a line across
a page, nothing more, nothing less. It conveys nothing about what is above,
below or indeed why indeed we have drawn a line.
The major point
for presentation for humans to divide information into
sections. I don't give a rats if bots attach no meaning to it.
Tim
On 06/02/2007, at 9:38 PM, Rob Kirton wrote:
Barney
I can't recall ever finding the need to use an hr and never normally
consider doing so. It is purely presentational, i.e
Bob
Surely...
divIs a collection of html elements which can include p
pIs a collection of sentences
spanIs a selection within a sentence
of course only p has any semantic meaning, and from this small set of
tags, is the only one of real consequence to search engines and readers
alike. The
Tim
On 06/02/07, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me that what some people are really concerned about is that
you cannot stuff keywords into a HR tag?
That is not the real concern from my perspective, it is simply a fact that
it adds nothing other than a visual effect that can be
Mike
Therefore your implication that nothing can be added to bare words to
create meaning is simply ridiculous.
Regards,
Mike
More likely it was me being ridiculous! I take on board your point about
the importance of images / video, however surely Google 's understanding is
only from the
Barney
So no, the future isn't just a massive tag field (I bloody hope).
I hope so too.
I just don't thing it will be coming any time soon. Hence my thing about
words and tags
They've had difficulties with disambiguation of words in one language, I
suspect pictures will prove to be very
I am with Rimintas on this one. I don't think we'll all agree this.
From where i am sitting a div causes a nice logical break as much as hr
(without needing to use one) and the top / or bottom border can be styled to
appear like a horizontal rule if required. div constructs are sometimes a
John
Thanks for the thought provoking contribution..
Except Rob, Adaptive Technology does not explicitly announce divs, as
while they add structure, they have no inherent semantic meaning, which
the
hr / does. You may be able to style your div to visually render
separation of content, but
Andrew
I believe that Kat is correct in her approach, though would suggest that the
class is applied to an em tag set, therefore will still be shown as being
employed even if CSS is disabled for whatever reason.
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On 18/01/07, Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Andrew
I believe that Kat is correct in her approach, though would
Benjamin
I slightly surprised that google can automatically both access CSS,
ascertain it's meaning and then pass judgement on what is too small in terms
of text size. For example CSS could reduce the text size by a number of
steps including by means of inheritence and applying different
unfortunately not
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=ScreenreaderVisibility
display none means not displayed (read) by screen readers.
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On 16/01/07, Jeffrey
Andrew
Sounds like it should be a valid approach, however I *think* that with
screen readers support media type aural is spotty and that they all take
output designated for screeen and render this albeit it in a different
manner.
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Regards
- Rob
Raising web standards :
There is a big problem in making skip links the same colour as the
background. Apart from those who use keyboards to navigate, you are not
taking into account those who use screen magnification technology. These
people tend to locate themselves at top left and scan until something that
is of
be visible and
belong top left. That is where these users need to first align themselves
and subsequent navigation can sometimes be painfully slow. Not thinking of
people who are short sighted to a degree, more those with quite serious
problems such as Macular degeneration.
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- Rob Kirton
Rafael
I would recommend never hack. Where you feel it absolutely necssary / it is
totally unavoidable use external style sheets and call using I.E.
conditional comments
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On 09/12/06, Tim White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, list.
What do you think is the best semantic markup for such a structure
06.12.2006(date)
Here goes some title
BarneyThere is effectively no semantic difference. To stop the spread of grey goo on the net, the only semantics we shoud be worried about are those which are picked up by search engines, and a span class=sentence means equally as little as nbsp;nbsp; to these. It is also of little consequence to
TonyI would stick with the original approach and then re-size up using ems. The clagnut article recommended first scaling everything down to 62.5% for ease of calculation when scaling back up using ems. The premise was that a 'default' text size of 16pt would be scaled down to 10pt and then you
BarneyFirst port of call is try using a screen reader yourself. Although expensive to purchase, a free 30 day evaluation of IBM HPR can be obtained. The experience is different with each type of screen reader due to their quitet propriety ways of operating. Although you can never simulate being
It would be good if the WSG produce a response which could be signed up to by a large majority of the members. This then could be forwarded by each member in agreement to the appropriate contact at the BBC, so amplifying the message. It may get to the attention of the BBC editorial staff and
FAO Katie LedgerI (undoubtedly along with others) found your article "designing a more accessible web" to be of great interest. My particular interest lies in the field of accessibility and standards, and I feel compelled to contact you with respect to material inaccuracies in your report that may
typo century not century to :0(On 30/10/06, Rob Kirton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FAO Katie LedgerI (undoubtedly along with others) found your article designing a more accessible web to be of great interest. My particular interest lies in the field of accessibility and standards, and I feel
The very first post had a link to the BBC which invited comments. I followed this and posted the message. I suggest we all do the same (or similar) the message may stick- Rob
On 30/10/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Where do we send this?
From:
RichardI would suggest not using Marquee effect if at all possible. IMHO, finding such code is almost playing the accessibility standards game, rather than making something truly accessible and usable. Moving images / text will be difficult for some people to read, and if links are embeded, a
RichardThe colour contrast is high, I personally could live with it. maybe tone it down a bit, however keep it within the guidelines (use colour contrast analyser 1.1 or similar) As is, the colours are basicaly fine within the usual colour blindness tests. If the text size is proportionate with
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