At 09:32 13/03/2001, you wrote:
At 09:27 13/03/01 +, you wrote:
At 09:08 13/03/2001, you wrote:
If all else fails I'll be raiding Matts script archive ;)
Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them 50
cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Good advert for the book - lucky you only get to see it once you've read
the book!
not read, bought! theres the big catch
still we've done this argument several times and at the end of the day
people want to be able to just grab a piece of ``perl cgi
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 09:52:12AM +, Dave Cross wrote:
Just been wandering around the website and (as an owner of the book) was
able to access the 'private' areas.
Well if you have a look at the vulnerabilitys database on securityfocus.com
then you too can be an admin of the message
From: "Jon Eyre" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 10:14
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the
london.pm web pages :)
Anyone know if we could
There's a marketing battle that needs to be fought first. We
need, somehow,
to ensure that newbie CGI programmers read criticisms of
Matt's scripts
_before_ they find Matt's Script Archive. And I don't know
how you're going
to undo five years of misinformation and achieve that.
Maybe we
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:37:12AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:18:53PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
You _do_ realise that I've now put the trademark notice on all of the
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 09:08:52AM -, Miss Barbell wrote:
Walking round PC World yesterday (nice to look at things then buy them 50
cheaper online :) ) and spotted a Perl Book written by Matt Wright, with a
CD including many scripts from his site. What made even more amused was that
* at 13/03 10:43 - Jonathan Peterson said:
There's a marketing battle that needs to be fought first. We
need, somehow,
to ensure that newbie CGI programmers read criticisms of
Matt's scripts
_before_ they find Matt's Script Archive. And I don't know
how you're going
to undo
* at 13/03 10:56 + Michael Stevens said:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 10:58:36AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
how to solve this, will there is an easy way that would deal with
the problem at source - perl certification
*duck*
having said in another email how there were no
At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave Cross, Lord and Master of London.pm, thus wrote:
Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming
with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now seen
that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups is a
That's Selena Sol. He's almost as bad as Matt.
I thought Selena was female. Oh well.
At 11:28 13/03/2001, you wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 11:27:08AM +, Dave Cross wrote:
At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote:
By the way, Dave, did Addison Wesley contact you about this or vice
versa? I'm wondering if O'Reilly and others are sending books to Perl
monger groups anyway and
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Maybe we need to sponsor Matt Wright? The inverse of the
Damian sponsorship, we would cover whatever revenue he gets
from his scripts in return for him shutting all the sites
down for a year, and redirecting everyone somewhere else.
What do you reckon? Sponsor Matt
At 12:15 13/03/2001, you wrote:
On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote:
Postman just bought a review copy of Lincoln Stein's "Network Programming
with Perl". This is good news as it seems that Addison Wesley have now
seen
that giving freebie copies to Perl Monger groups is a Good Thing.
Since
On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote:
Not clear which particular book you mean.
The Cgi/Perl Cookbook by Craig Pratchett and Matthew Wright. John Wiley
Son. One of the current "reviews" on Amazon.com says:
This is obviously a book that a lot of time and care went into, on the part
of
No, but it's run by Matt. That's a list of CGI scripts written by loads of
people - there are even some old embarrassments of mine in there :-/
You know we are all scrambling to find it now ;)
At 13:02 13/03/2001, you wrote:
On Tue 13 Mar, Dave Cross wrote:
Not clear which particular book you mean.
The Cgi/Perl Cookbook by Craig Pratchett and Matthew Wright. John Wiley
Son. One of the current "reviews" on Amazon.com says:
This is obviously a book that a lot of time and care went
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd
like to see is a series of "drop in" replacements for Matt's scripts. There
are counts 15 scripts on Matt's site. How long would it take us to
rewrite them all?
I've done his
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get involved. What I'd
like to see is a series of
"Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get
Dave Cross wrote:
Damian's hectic world tour has now finished and he's had time
to update his online diary. He says a lot of nice things about
us here
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/diary_February_2001.html#day_31.
Not least of which, perhaps, is
The presence of Piers Cawley, Dave
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
*why* it works, they just want it to work.
With the excellent documentation
whether it's your stepping-stone to writing your own scripts or whether you
never want to get more in-depth than just typing in the path to your Perl
executable.
13
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this is a good idea and would be happy to get
and here we get back to the ROPE project as discussed before, where we
could do a standard distribution of Apache/Mod Perl/Perl/Perl modules,
with TT, XML::*, etc.,etc. already there
Might not be a bad idea doing each of these in each of the technologies
anyhow. It might prove a good way of
At 13:05 13/03/2001, you wrote:
"Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this
At 15:10 13/03/2001, you wrote:
* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
- Original Message -
From: "Dave Hodgkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 12:49
Subject: Re: Strange Request
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think this
At 14:33 13/03/2001, you wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:34:50PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
I haven't looked at Matts scripts, but I get the feeling that they are
aimed
at beginners who have a fairly standard perl/apache installation[1]. I'm
sure your solution will be much better, but I
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd argue that you're _massively_ overestimating our audience there. Most
the Matt's users are people who have accounts with web hosting companies
who only allow FTP access. mod_perl usually _isn't_ installed and
installing CPAN modules is frowned on
At 13:50 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'd argue that you're _massively_ overestimating our audience there. Most
the Matt's users are people who have accounts with web hosting companies
who only allow FTP access. mod_perl usually _isn't_ installed and
do you exclude this script from the archive on the basis that it
uses TT?
this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the
collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond
denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that
just its core mission, and
From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You need to define a standard and stick to it. I suggest we write to Perl
5.004_04 as it was a) pretty stable and b) the first to include CGI.pm.
Agreed. I just installed one of his scripts on my laptop, Win98, Apache
1.3.9, ActiveState's Perl5.6. There
How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with
machines/laptops, pair programming...
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Interim CTO, web server farms,
* Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
How about a hackfest one afternoon? A dozen people in a room with
machines/laptops, pair programming...
have you ever tried herding cats?
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at
rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules,
-T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
Random Image Displayer daveh
Random Link
### warning - creature feep ###
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Aaron Trevena wrote:
this question defines the archive of scripts a little. is the
collection of scripts specifically aimed at the lowest commond
denominator and tackling the MW problem directly, or is that
just its core mission,
Ok, this is obviously a good idea, some comment / ideas:
1) Create nms server (Not Matt Scripts).
- setup mailing list(s).
- I'm happy to host in a couple of weeks
2) Review and work out a 'core' module which
can be part of the distrobution and impliment
CGI.pm equiv stuff
Textclock Mark
Countdown Mark
Later.
Mark.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm = 'Profero Ltd',Web = 'http://www.profero.com/'
At 15:18 13/03/2001, you wrote:
OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at
rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no external modules,
-T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
Guestbook davorg
WWWboard davorg
--
OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at
rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no
external modules,
-T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
To which we should add that in default configuration the new script has the
same
At 15:44 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave wrote:
Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down
really I
suppose. Here it is if you're interested.
And what's wrong with the following line? ;-)
#!/usr/local/bin/perl -w
D'Oh. It's a fair cop :-)
In my defense, there isn't
At 15:47 13/03/2001, you wrote:
OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at
rewriting one or two under the rules we've discussed (no
external modules,
-T, use strict, -w, etc), put you name next to it on this list.
To which we should add that in default
Dave Cross wrote:
I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules"
rule, which is that we'll have to send all mail by piping
to sendmail. And that really hits your cross-platform
compatibility.
Well, it depends on how much pain you want to inflict on yourself.
Which is a
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:00:41PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is
that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really
hits your cross-platform compatibility.
Write some stuff which will scan the local
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:47:48PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
Write some stuff which will scan the local network for open relays and
then just talk SMTP to them. Someone stupid enough to not be able to
install modules is stupid enough to have
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
OK, here's a list of Matt's scripts. If you'd like to have a go at
rewriting one or two under the rules we've
IIRC the problem with some of them is that they use config
data supplied
in form variables... do we really want to maintain this?
Yes, we do. It's a useful way of supplying configuration information,
because editing form fields in HTML has a lower fear threshold than editing
perl source
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule,
Jonathan Peterson wrote:
2. including the required modules as simple .pm files to be
uploaded to the same directory as the script file. (i.e. no
proper 'perl Makefile.PL;make;make test;make install).
Assuming that 2 actually works, which is should in many but
not all cases.
Generally,
On or about Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:34:03PM +0100, Philip Newton typed:
Generally, @INC contains '.', so it should work (though remember that
Net::SMTP has to go into ./Net/SMTP.pm and not ./SMTP.pm or ./Net::SMTP.pm).
Otherwise, use lib '.' should be your friend.
I believe IIS does horribly
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
I've just seen a
Dave Cross wrote:
Oops. I just did the Random Text one.
Two comments:
- what's with the "\%\%" in the separator? '%' isn't special in
double-quoted strings, last time I checked. This looks like Mattcode which
backwhacks just about anything ("$hh\:$mm\:$ss" comes to mind, for example).
-
Yes, but *is a security hole, and not a small one*, usually.
Yes, if you put the wrong things in there, like locations of files. I guess
maybe Matt does this. On the other hand, other things can go in harmlessly,
and should, such as the response email address for formmail.
As for the security
From: "Dave Cross" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 13 March 2001 15:47
Subject: Re: Matt's Scripts
At 14:23 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oops. I just did the Random Text one. Should have put my name down really
I
suppose. Here it is if you're
At 16:53 13/03/01 +, you wrote:
At 16:39 13/03/2001, you wrote:
Dave Cross wrote:
Oops. I just did the Random Text one.
And, of course, there should be a comment at the top above
#!/usr/local/bin/perl to the effect that "you should edit this to point to
where Perl [version 5.00x or above]
Weee! Cascade!
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:38:52PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:19:46PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:09:42PM +,
At 16:55 13/03/01 -, you wrote:
Could we write some sort of internal installer process so the
instruction
to the user would be type 'perl rand_text2.pl configure' and
the script
then rewrites itself. Updating #! lines etc, possibly even asking
No, most people using these scripts don't
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:38:52PM +, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
I neither know nor care. I was taking issue with your claim that relying
on /usr/lib/sendmail is a good idea.
This arose because
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 03:12:18PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Not some faceless American corporation, but London.pmers (with values of
"London" including Belfast and wherever Piers lives).
London.pm is not just a regional user group, a
At 05:03 PM 13.3.2001 +, you wrote:
No, most people using these scripts don't have command line access to the servers
that they need to install the scripts on. We'd have to do something like:
go to http://www.yoursite.com/cgi-bin/randtext2.pl?mode=configure
and then have configure itself
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dave Cross wrote:
Damian's hectic world tour has now finished and he's had time
to update his online diary. He says a lot of nice things about
us here
http://www.yetanother.org/damian/diary_February_2001.html#day_31.
Not least of which,
I've just seen a downside to the "no non-standard modules" rule, which is
that we'll have to send all mail by piping to sendmail. And that really
hits your cross-platform compatibility.
Is IO::Socket cross platform?
*need* to configure #!.
#!/bin/sh
*ducks*
Redvers Davies wrote:
Is IO::Socket cross platform?
I believe so. At least, if the platform supports sockets.
Cheers,
Philip
--
Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 02:45:30PM +, Dave Cross wrote:
We simply can't compete with Matt on backwards compatibility as his scripts
all run on 4.036!
If you call that "running"... :-/
dha
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