Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
*The latter is much beloved of modern Goddess worshippers -- as the *third personification of the Goddess. They'll have your guts *(or worse!) for garters if they catch you confusing Her with *that bitch Ate ;-) None of the gods were exactly sweetness and light. Hec'ate wasn't anyone to sneer in the direction of Ate. :) H. Hecate may well have been a genuine grrrl, but I don't think she was in the same league as Ate, who was a bitter, twisted, warmongering, misandronist, psycho. "Not that there's anything *wrong* with that." ;-) Damian
Beginners Guide
I'm painfully aware that not everyone on this list has the same amount of experience and knowledge and that therefore some discussions may well go over the head of some of the newbies. It's therefore nice to be able to find ways to help out beginners. For that reason, I'm happy to point out the the BBC are starting to repeat Buffy the Vampire Slayer right from the start. The very first episode will be shown this coming Thursday on BBC2 at 18:45. If you're going to be at the technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35 on Friday night/Saturday morning. After this run, we'll be able to assume that everyone has at least a rudimentary grasp of the basics which should make discussions much easier. Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: Beginners Guide
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, you wrote: I'm painfully aware that not everyone on this list has the same amount of experience and knowledge and that therefore some discussions may well go over the head of some of the newbies. It's therefore nice to be able to find ways to help out beginners. uh huh ... For that reason, I'm happy to point out the the BBC are starting to repeat Buffy the Vampire Slayer right from the start. The very first episode will be shown this coming Thursday on BBC2 at 18:45. If you're going to be at the technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35 on Friday night/Saturday morning. umm .. would now be a good time to point out I don't have a television? After this run, we'll be able to assume that everyone has at least a rudimentary grasp of the basics which should make discussions much easier. Any chance you could transcribe the important bits for us. (if as I suspect, the important bits are umm .. errr .. 'soft and fleshy' please attach jpegs) -- Robin Szemeti The box said "requires windows 95 or better" So I installed Linux!
Re: Beginners Guide
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 10:41:46AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I'm painfully aware that not everyone on this list has the same amount of experience and knowledge and that therefore some discussions may well go over the head of some of the newbies. It's therefore nice to be able to find ways to help out beginners. I thought this was going to lead to something completly different... Silly me ;) Any chance you could transcribe the important bits for us. (if as I suspect, the important bits are umm .. errr .. 'soft and fleshy' please attach jpegs) You asked for this ;) http://www.psyche.kn-bremen.de/ And its more upto date than BBC2! Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Beginners Guide
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: technical meeting then you can either video it or watch the repeat on 00:35 on Friday night/Saturday morning. umm .. would now be a good time to point out I don't have a television? scripts are available on the web - there is no excuse for not establishing a basic knowledge of BtVS! now theres a good idea for our next London.pm social meeting London.pm presents Buffy the Vampire Slayer --- The Theatre experience! now if we only had some people who could simulate the bazooka explosion ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
On Mon, Apr 16, 2001 at 08:26:55PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Damian Conway [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: Hecate was the goddess of the night, of magic, and travel at night. She was a cousin of Zeus, and dwelt quietly in the Underworld. Hecate was the daughter of Zeus in another treatment of the history though everyone at some point was spawn of Zeus it would seem. And in yet another history, she was the daughter of the titans Perses and Asteria. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: sub BEGIN {}
David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:03:43AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: dha, how's your "last read" mark? Eh? An obscure reference to a remark you made in Penderel's Oak after yapc::Europe 19100. Something to the effect that you have a mark which indicates, in your MUA, the boundary between "read" and "unread" messages in a mail folder, and that this mark is never on the first page of messages in your london-list folder. Had to do, apparently, not only with the traffic a mailing list gets but also with whether you keep messages around or delete them after reading them. Unfortunately, I don't recall the comment exactly. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 17/04 14:00 +0200 Philip Newton said:
Mark Fowler wrote:
3) Write a set of scripts that are all basically the same but have
different #!/usr/bin/perl lines on the top and tell you the
with a bunch of different extensions such as .pl .plx .cgi for
combinations of "operating system" + web server that map scripts to
interpreters by extension and/or directory rather than by shebang line...
surely there should be a better way than this? after all the
combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something
that does :
#!/bin/sh
if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then
exec './bin_perl.pl'
fi
or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible
on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of
files that the person installing needs to worry about.
I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing
as a problem. The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that
someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them
all then see which one works. Once they've got this script working the
script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the
other scripts to work with their server.
I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows. Or pure
mod_perl...
Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here. Honestly, I'm not
sure what's the best way...
Later.
Mark.
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Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question! I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that it's a wider issue. The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error for each test file: t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or directory in the path name does not exist. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168. at t/unbroken-text.t line 2 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2. dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file exists and is readable. The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc. Does anyone have any clues about this? Cheers, Dave... -- The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
Re: NWS (was Re: Technical Meeting - 19th April)
* at 17/04 14:09 +0100 Mark Fowler said: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Struan Donald wrote: surely there should be a better way than this? after all the combinations involved are quite numerous. is the notion of something that does : #!/bin/sh if [ -e /usr/bin/perl ]; then exec './bin_perl.pl' fi or equivalent too silly? although not sure this sort of thing is possible on non unix type systems. OTOH would at least cut down the number of files that the person installing needs to worry about. I don't particularly see the number of scripts this person is installing as a problem. The key concept is that these scripts are designed so that someone who knows *nothing* about their system can basically upload them all then see which one works. Once they've got this script working the script should contain instructions on how to modify any of the other scripts to work with their server. it's not so much the number of scripts as the "try each of these scripts till one works" situation i think we should be trying to minimise. I don't think what you're suggesting will work at all on windows. Or pure mod_perl... true. although the number of people using mod_perl who'll be using these is debatable. windows is a problem though. Feel free to disagree, I'm just suggesting ideas here. Honestly, I'm not sure what's the best way... heck, anything that helps is better than the "your isp will know" school of help. struan
Re: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 02:12:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that it's a wider issue. t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or directory in the path name does not exist. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168. Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file exists and is readable. What does file(1) tell you about that, and about a *working* loadable module somewhere in the perl distribution? The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc. Which compiler was used to build perl? And which libraries did it use - IBM's, or GNU's? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ This is a signature. There are many like it but this one is mine. ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
RE: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:26 PM
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 02:12:14PM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote:
I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first
time
I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible
that
it's a wider issue.
t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so'
for
module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A
file or
directory in the path name does not exist. at
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168.
Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file
exists and is readable.
What does file(1) tell you about that, and about a *working* loadable
module
somewhere in the perl distribution?
blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: executable (RISC System/6000) or
object module not stripped
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/auto/POSIX/POSIX.so: executable (RISC
System/6000) or object module not stripped
The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than
gcc.
Which compiler was used to build perl?
perl -MConfig -e'print map { "$_ : $Config{$_}\n" } keys %Config | egrep
'^cc'
cc : cc
cccdlflags :
ccdlflags : -bE:perl.exp
ccflags : -D_ALL_SOURCE -D_ANSI_C_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -qmaxmem=8192--
And which libraries did it use - IBM's, or GNU's?
Is that this?
glibpth : /usr/shlib /shlib /lib/pa1.1 /usr/lib/large /lib /usr/lib
/usr/lib/386 /lib/386 /lib/large /usr/lib/small /lib/small /usr/ccs/lib
/usr/ucblib /usr/local/lib
Or these?
lib_ext : .a
libc : /lib/libc.a
libperl : libperl.a
libpth : /lib /usr/lib /usr/ccs/lib
libs : -lnsl -ldbm -ldl -lld -lm -lc -lcrypt -lbsd -lPW
libswanted : sfio socket inet nsl nm ndbm gdbm dbm db malloc dl dld ld sun m
c cposix posix ndir dir crypt ucb bsd BSD PW x
Should I be worried about the 'lib_ext : a' line or 'so : a' that I've also
seen?
Dave...
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Re: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, dcross - David Cross wrote: Sorry to drag the list off-topic, but I've a Perl question! I'm having trouble building HTML::Parser on an AIX box. It's the first time I've tried to build and install an XS module, so it's quite possible that it's a wider issue. The 'make' seems to go ok, but when I run 'make test' I get the same error for each test file: t/unbroken-text.Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so' for module HTML::Parser: dlopen: blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so: A file or directory in the path name does not exist. at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.00502/aix/DynaLoader.pm line 168. at t/unbroken-text.t line 2 BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/unbroken-text.t line 2. dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Running ls -l blib/arch/auto/HTML/Parser/Parser.so shows that the file exists and is readable. The build process seems to be using IBM's own C compiler rather than gcc. Does anyone have any clues about this? Is AIX one of those OS that requires you to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or some equivalent to load a shared library - although this shouldnt be the case for the binary part of a module because dynaloader searches in a bunch of places relative to @INC ... Is it some other .so file that Parser.so uses ? What does ldd tell you ? /J\
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 01:49:26PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Unfortunately, I don't recall the comment exactly. Same here. But I have a vague concept of what you mean. The last read mark, by now, has become something I don't even notice... for the sake of my own sanity. :_) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Mysticism has no place in programming. - Larry Rosler
Komodo
I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm impressed. I know that a lot of the list are devoted to using text editors rather than these 'new fangled' IDE's :) but i reckon this is worth a play with for three main reasons: 1) The RX toolkit 2) Code folding 3) Reference Contents The RX toolkit is a nice little box you can paste a regex into and underneath you paste a string. It then shows what matches what and the contents of the capturing parameters. The code folding is something i was looking for a while ago and while the beta of vim 6.0 has some support for folding subroutines (But it loses state a lot...) Komodo lets you fold pretty much anything from subroutines to if statements. The last bit is something that i like as i can see it saving me adding and removing Data::Dumper statements while debugging, I've only been playing with this this afternoon but it seems to work as I'd expect and its nice to have it handy without adding statements. As a last point it even makes an attempt to guess at the keyword you were typing when you hit ctrl-space. And it gets it right quiet often. I know that you can do the three things i mentioned above with other techniques but this puts them closer with less hoop jumping to use them on a day to day basis. Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. brev lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate Komodo on the Linux version, yet. b) we changed licnese schemes recently. If absolutely necessary we can send you a new license. -- BEWARE! People acting under the influence of human nature.
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 06:23:28PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. Gah! I just downloaded this and tried to install, at least i know it wasn't me now ;) Komodo on the Linux version, yet. b) we changed licnese schemes recently. If absolutely necessary we can send you a new license. I'm semi patient :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: JOB: Anyone interested
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:11:47AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Warning - MSB used to have the reputation of being the biggest bunch of cowboys in the recruitment industry. I wouldn't normally pass this on but thought it might be of interest to some of the ex-Torrington people. FYI this particular role wasn't available; they tried to put me up for some other things but didn't even get as far as interviews. Roger (now working elsewhere)
Re: re-release of autodial
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:54:56PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: it no longer kills dia This appears not to be the case, as of dia 0.86. -- I did write and prove correct a 20-line program in January, but I made the mistake of testing it on our VAX and it had an error, which two weeks of searching didn't uncover, so there went one publication out the window. - David Gries, 1980
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm impressed. Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? I haven't looked at it, but will. However, it does look from the web pages as if it requires me to download Activestate's distribution of perl. This is a Bad Thing. If it turns out that I can use my existing 5.6, then I'll give it a go, but if I have to fuck around, I won't bother. Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world, and need to learn about "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. -- The sky already fell. Now what? -- Steven Wright
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:17:37PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. /me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete ** I read encrypted mail first, so encrypt if your message is important **
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? I haven't looked at it, but will. However, it does look from the web pages as if it requires me to download Activestate's distribution of perl. This is a Bad Thing. If it turns out that I can use my existing 5.6, then I'll give it a go, but if I have to fuck around, I won't bother. Didn't notice that and since it won't install without a license i won't be evaling it yet and can't confirm if it screws over existing installs. Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world, and need to learn about "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Someone needs to be in the Windows world and I'd rather them worry about it than me ;) Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete I like this sig. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Errors Building HTML::Parser on AIX
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 03:21:07PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: Is AIX one of those OS that requires you to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or some equivalent to load a shared library - although this shouldnt be the case for the binary part of a module because dynaloader searches in a bunch of places relative to @INC ... export LIBPATH=colon:separated:list:of:dirs on planet AIX. If that is the problem. -- Chris Benson
