http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5729530.html
Makes bizarre reading after AS's press releases.
(I assume AOL's Komodo is some Mozilla repackaging? Anyone know
anything about this?)
Paul
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:44:45PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
(I assume AOL's Komodo is some Mozilla repackaging? Anyone know
anything about this?)
theregister.co.uk has been running stories about it being used as a
possible alternative if AOL decides to stop bundling IE. No technical
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:50:34AM +0100, Dean wrote:
theregister.co.uk has been running stories about it being used as a
possible alternative if AOL decides to stop bundling IE. No technical
details though...
http://www.betanews.com/article.php3?sid=988225959
has a weensy bit at the last
--- Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo
contained
complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
/me cancels the download, suggests Activestate
acquire some Clue
Isn't that a bit
Robin Szemeti wrote:
in the *nix variant can you load stuff from CPAN straight in ?
Lemme check... yep, you can. (Using the Solaris version of ActivePerl 618.)
I used a non-XS module, but I believe I've done it with XS modules as well.
Cheers,
Philip
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All
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
Yes, but they're not installed by default. (I can't remember if the
'BSD subsystem' is installed by default either though.) It comes on a
seperate CD within
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
even vim can do it now, too.
Never noticed that! I
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it was NeXTSTEP.
I had a little play with it last
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
reason I started using emacs in the first place.
And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb
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David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 10:56:51AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You also get ProjectBuilder IDE.
http://developer.apple.com/tools/projectbuilder/
Which is very nice. Or at least it was, back when it
Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
reason I started using emacs in the first place.
And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb
Oh, yes, baby. And M-x ediff and
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:46:03PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
Works with Objective C too. Which is still (for my money) the best way
of messing with the NeXTSTEP object model.
s/best/only/
Paul
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained
complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
/me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue
Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alpha type deal it
seems fair enough they want people to
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Rip, Mix, Burn, unless you're using our latest and greatest
operating system which we couldn't be arsed to complete
You mean, "...if you choose to install an OS over the one we're
actually supporting for those
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
actually supporting for those operations"?
No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system
which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it
This is specious. The ad is running
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
Who said "release early, release often". Apple are doing the right
thing, IMO.
Probably Eric Raymond.
Which reminds me, there used to be a comment in the code for an
authentication server at Demon:
/* fork early, fork often
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained
complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
/me cancels the download, suggests Activestate acquire some Clue
Isn't that a bit harsh? If the Linux version is a Beta / Alpha type deal it
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
if it doesn't work on a standard Perl install its dead in the water IMHO
FWIW, I agree. Not only that, if it conflicts with existing
distribution's package management that'd be a nightmare.
Paul
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:12:30AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
umm .. for a windows install where Activestate Perl seems to be the
standard then yes, its fair enough. For a *nix tool it MUST work with a
standard Perl install or it is of zero use (to me) .. I do not have any
intention of
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 02:59:51AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:52:58AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
No, I mean "unless you're using our latest and greatest operating system
which, despite us only supporting a limited number of systems to make it
This is
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:44:38AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
The iMac is one of the platforms supported by OS X.
One has to assume anyone installing an OS over a different is
intelligent enough to read the caveats.
In fact, CD burning doesn't work under OS X on *any* machine and isn't
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have
been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio
springs to mind.
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'. My
* at 18/04 11:58 +0100 Robin Szemeti said:
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
IMHO the Linux port is an afterthought, most of the effort seems to have
been focused on the Windows side, the integration with Visual Studio
springs to mind.
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75%
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl
usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState
Perl as taking
over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that
position.
I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the IDE
On 18/04/2001 at 15:58 +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I mean how the hell do you install CPAN packges on EPOC perl or
Mac Perl or any other platform that doesn't smell of Unix?
On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was
sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl,
shurely?
It's more because I have a nicely working perl installation right
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking
over the world and these tools are simply there to help get it to that
position.
And
From: "Jonathan Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl
was
sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same as anyone else's Perl,
shurely? All the brain ache surrounding PPM and CPAN modules and XS is not
strictly perl related
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:26:42PM +0100, Dean wrote:
I've been using this for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a
couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being
taken to the line.
Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 03:58:20PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
I think it's more than Windows accounts for 75% of the IDE market, rather
than the Perl market...
Anyway, I thought all this stuff about non-standard kinds of Win32 Perl was
sorted out years ago. Activestate Perl is the same
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can
deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port, although it is
possible to do it if you
Dean wrote:
I've been using [Kdevelop] for C coding recently and its not too bad. It has a
couple of nice tricks though like clicking on the compile errors and being
taken to the line.
Ultraedit does this. It's great and I love it. And it works under Wine.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
Your right, the perls are the same ActiveState are just a lot more aware of
what the OS can do and lacks the ability to do and tries to compensate for
them. If you have a stocked Windows box with nmake, VC++ and a bit of time
you can get
On 18/04/2001 at 16:36 +0100, Dean wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:17:00PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
On MacPerl, non-XS modules install fine using Chris Nandor's CPAN-mac.
XS modules are, erm, tricky, and usually you wait for someone who can
deal with MPW and who needs them to do the port,
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:36:08PM +0100, Dean wrote:
Whats MPW?
Macintosh Programmers' Workshop. Delicious...
Does OS X come with GNU tools like GCC and make then?
Yes (on the optional developers CD)
.robin.
--
Are we not drawn onward, we few, drawn onward to new era?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
even vim can do it now, too.
Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the compiling
on the command line in another term, never got too
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:47:57PM +0100, Dean wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 04:34:49PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
Emacs has been able to do this for probably 10 years or more. I think
even vim can do it now, too.
Never noticed that! I normally edit my code in emacs and do the
Barbie wrote:
The good thing about PPM is that it does all the installation
for you. the bad thing is that it doesn't run any tests. Then
again seeing as they've done the job of porting the package
you'd hope it was tested at their end. At least that's what
_I'm_ hoping.
Yes. The PPM used
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'. My guess is they see ActiveState Perl as taking
over the world and these tools are simply there to
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'.
That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows
first.
--
ZenHam heh, yeah, but Aretha could be
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats
quite an 'afterthought'.
That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows
first.
which is
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a
standard perl install. simple as that.
Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great?
--
Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a
standard perl install. simple as that.
Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great?
but I
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering
the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different
incompatible
AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible.
--
dngor Every little bit of seaweed kelps.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering
the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different
incompatible
AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible.
can't
I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for
Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm
impressed.
I know that a lot of the list are devoted to using text editors rather than
these 'new fangled' IDE's :) but i reckon this is worth
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new
license.
brev lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate
Komodo on the Linux version
to install, at least i know it wasn't
me now ;)
Komodo on the Linux version, yet. b) we changed licnese schemes recently. If
absolutely necessary we can send you a new license.
I'm semi patient :)
Dean
--
Profanity is the one language all programmers understand
--- Anon
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote:
I just downloaded and had a play with the release version 1.0 of Komodo for
Windows (The Linux one is still in the RC phase) and i have to say that I'm
impressed.
Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
I haven't looked
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
--
The sky already fell. Now what? -- Steven Wright
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:17:37PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world
I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions
of Mozilla, Perl and Python.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version?
I haven't looked at it, but will. However, it does look from the web pages
as if it requires me to download Activestate's distribution of perl. This
is a Bad Thing. If it
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