On Tue, 2009-06-30 at 15:07 +0100, Ed Hewitt wrote:
> I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having
> different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all
> about lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to
> have one build, lubuntu-desk
This question is also tied to the goal of shortening overall system boot
time for Ubuntu, so I think there is both active work in that area which
may help address this already, and whatever is separately learned here
may well apply to the rest of Ubuntu as well.
Ed Hewitt wrote:
> Apart from choos
Apart from choosing the right applications for the distro, the other thing
we need to think about is background services. Xubuntu major problems is the
amount of background services it has. On a standard install of Xubuntu,
there is about 90 processes when you boot to the desktop for the first time
category, we have midori, epiphany, firefox, kazhakase and some others.
>>> But
>>> > we will only choose one, and based on the meetings, we have chosen
>>> Firefox
>>> > for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting
>>> members
>&g
for functionality and usability reasons. Unfortunately, the meeting
>> members
>> > haven't gotten around to updating the decision on the choice of
>> > applications. It's pretty much buried in the logs now AFAIK.
>> >
>> > Maybe Mario can give
gt; >
> > Maybe Mario can give some input as to how we should progress with regards
> to
> > the decision on applications?
> >
> > From: Ed Hewitt
> > To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
> > Subject:
should progress with regards to
> the decision on applications?
>
> From: Ed Hewitt
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
> I too h
n the next IRC meeting?
>
>
> *From:* Ed Hewitt
> *To:* lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
> & Slow)
>
> I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE
ds to
the decision on applications?
>
>From: Ed Hewitt
>To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
>Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2009 1:54:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)
>
>I too have the same opinion and in the same situation
nly
> > one will be included from each application category.
> >
> > At the meeting, members have decided to include Firefox, OpenOffice.org,
> VLC
> > I am not sure if there will be changes following the discussion on the
> > mailing list. Perhaps this can be discus
on the
> mailing list. Perhaps this can be discussed in the next IRC meeting?
>
> From: Ed Hewitt
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
>
chpad.net
>Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 12:13:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy & Slow)
>
>>I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to think so.
>>I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
>
>
>2009/6/
I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to think so.
I think 64mb Minimum is enough.
2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead
> http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
>
> May help to guide
>
> I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york wrote:
>
http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements
May help to guide
I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york wrote:
> Good point ed,
>
> we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
>
> so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightwe
Well, its always difficult to say the system requirements. Xubuntu is
suggesting that they require 192mb RAM for it to be usable. But Xubuntu is
heavy, lubuntu should be far less.
On LXDE website they say this:
- The hardware requirements of LXDE are similiar to Windows 98 (Maybe a
little b
Good point ed,
we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves.
so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, what will be
the minimum and recommended specs?
Jon York
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100
From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com
To: lubuntu-d
> From: johnthn...@gmail.com
> To: gbiz...@gmail.com
> CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
> hi all,
>
> I think lubuntu should not meant for geeks only. It should appeal to the
&
tu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
Slow)
hi all,
I think lubuntu should not meant for geeks only. It should appeal to the mass
just like ubuntu is for.
As for applications, we should not think too much about the disk space, as disk
hi all,
I think lubuntu should not meant for geeks only. It should appeal to the
mass just like ubuntu is for.
As for applications, we should not think too much about the disk space, as
disk space is not very critical less than cpu and ram nowadays, but it's
good to keep it below 2 GB after instal
Jon York
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:11:37 +0100
From: andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com
To: gbiz...@gmail.com
CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
Slow)
I have a small script the guts the system of all the fluff
I have a small script the guts the system of all the fluff I do not need.
These days I use the minimal ISO and install from the repos what I need. So
much better. My root partitions is currently 2Gb with the desktop + web
browse + vlc + transmission + pidgin + some plugins. Bliss [?]
On Tue, Jun 3
I agree,
Keep it small and lean, and apt-get anything you need.
The one question I think needs to be answered is " Are we making a
distro for newbies?"
If we are then you will need a bunch of standard default apps... If
not, which I think in my personal experience with Linux and LXDE, this
will
, and test things out with.
>
> Jon York
>
>
>
> --
> From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:41:09 -0500
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
> Slow)
>
> Stabilized withou
Give me a few days (as the work week is here) And I can get something ready
that we can pass around. That is with the go ahead from the people running
this thing , I was told on IRC that they were still working on something
before releasing an ISO , But in any case now or later I'm willing to do
th
with, and test things out with.
Jon York
From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:41:09 -0500
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
Slow)
Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that'
Stabilized without hiccups at 128mb ram , that's without youtube lagging out
, you can go lower no doubt.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
> this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down
By the way , Chrome fits in like it's native and is running hella fast on
this DE on my test box. I'm about to crank the ram down and see how low I
can get.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> This is kinda surplus, the system is still ub
This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal
install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the
repos. This however i
On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:
Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
"ease of use/fully featured" on the one hand and lightweight on the
other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
build, and make it
during some of the earlier IRC meetings there was a suggestion made that why
don't we create something along the lines of these are not installed, but
are good apps, ooo would fit in there nicely i believe.
Adam
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com>
Yep , but Debian LXDE does have the entire open office suite installed and
it weights in at just under 500 megs.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead <
andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
> isn't suitable
It's not copying, it is as you say learning from others. OpenOffice just
isn't suitable but will be accessible via reops if you must install it. I
personally only use abiword and know a great many users who have the entire
suite installed and only use the writer. Its laughable.
On Tue, Jun 30, 200
I agree Abiword is so incredibly fast and small and if someone has not tried
it they should give it a spin , it's a brilliant little application! I could
foresee someone adding openoffice if they needed that extra functionality
but for simple out of the box word processing in a small efficient quic
OpenOffice in my opinion is far too bulky for a lightweight distro.
0 upgraded, 44 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 123MB of archives.
After this operation, 412MB of additional disk space will be used.
Its just stupidly fat and bloated and doesn't fit with the ethos of
Sorry for such a quick followup, but i found that in the current ubuntu
repos there is vlc-nox There is also a gvlc project (
http://www.ohloh.net/p/gvlc) that is a gtk frontend for vlc -- this was in
dapper but is no longer available in our repos, but i think it is definitely
something we need t
Yes it would and it's very small , minuscule foot print but very very
powerful and modern.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:48 PM, AdamBOT wrote:
> I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
> to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies. Wouldn't that make it a viable
>
I've been looking at the VLC build flags, and it looks like it is possible
to be compiled without the qt4 dependencies. Wouldn't that make it a viable
solution as a media player?
I am looking more into it...
Adam
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:01 PM, Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote:
> Also we could learn a
Good eye there David!
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:15 PM, David Sugar wrote:
> Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the
> separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad:
>
>
> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
>
> I would be happy to see a
Related to this question is what to do with what is currently the
separate lxde blueprint in Launchpad:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
I would be happy to see about transferring it to the Lubuntu Team if the
Lubuntu team does wish to formally take
Also we could learn a allot from the puppy project they have already banged
out years of learning the hardway! And today they have the quintessential
light weight desktop of out of the box that can run on anything after a 486.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Ed Hewitt wrote:
> I think we should
om: wiebelh...@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -0500
> To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy
> & Slow)
>
> Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be
> the Flux
for years now, and I have a good idea
of what people want either way.
Jon York
From: wiebelh...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -0500
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy &
Slow)
Ed Hewitt makes
Ed Hewitt makes some very good points , Something to look at would be the
Fluxbuntu project the 7.10 Version was amazing because it was very very slim
nothing except the essentials installed but it also retained the
availability of all those other apps by using the official repositories. I
don't th
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