date:20180316

[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread jslute

   Dear All,

I'd like to see a baroque lute arrangement of Frank Zappa's "Twenty
   Small Cigars." I'd play that.

   Jim Stimson

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    Original message 
   From: Arto Wikla 
   Date: 3/16/18 6:36 PM (GMT-05:00)
   To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

   Hi dear lutenist friends
   I've played many unorthodox lute thingies to the YouTube, oftenmost
   very
   badly. ;-) Here are links to some of them:
   * Pietre Rotolanti: Dipingi nera quella porta:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuyf4uha8fs
   * Something very different: short teenage memory ... ;-)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej1cDDQYOX8=youtu.be
   *Sean Jib: Inflandia Hymn ;-)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFij8YnjqdU=youtu.be
   And I've done much more in this scene - and I will ... ;-)
   best, piece and love,
   Arto
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread spiffys84121

   I will play any music on lutes, if it works for that lute. I believe in
   using the right tool for the job-- unlike guitarists and pianists who
   endeavor to build the whole house with just a hammer.

   My question-- do most lute players only specialize in one repertoire? I
   play any lute music from almost the entire history of the lute-- except
   medieval. Of course this requires multiple lutes, which I'm happy to
   collect and play. I go through phases, like sometimes all I want to do
   is play six course music; then all of a sudden baroque lute is all I
   care about in life. Right now I'm obsessed with the liuto attiorbato
   which I think is the most versatile of all lutes. If for some reason I
   had to have only one lute, it would be an attiorbato. One can play
   hundreds of years worth of music on it(in a pinch) I'm working on my
   version of 'Georga on my Mind' at present. My attiorbatos have a range
   of 5 octaves.

   Sterling

   Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

    Original message 
   From: Leonard Williams 
   Date: 3/16/18 3:00 PM (GMT-07:00)
   To: Lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

  I, myself, was attracted to the lute, via recorders and other
   early
  instruments, because I like playing renaissance music.  What better
   way
  to enjoy it than on the instruments for which it was written?  If I
  were an instructor, I would probably be more inclined to teach
  guitarists to read lute-tabbed recercari than to play later music on
  the lute.
  Leonard
  -Original Message-
  From: Mathias.Roesel 
  To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
  Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
  Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so, what they
  like best.
  Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% of this
   tiny
  community don't seem to be interested in newly composed music for
   the
  lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute mailing
   list
  community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in general. They're
  fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I hasten to
   add
  that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious discussions
  about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern music. I
   for
  one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes.
  Mathias
  __
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  --- Original-Nachricht ---
  Von: Wayne
  Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
  Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr
  An: lute net
  One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we
   all,
  or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of
   our
  repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our
  romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or
   synth
  in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela
   we
  can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So maybe we
   are
  overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a
  different instrument to play something modern. Especially when we
   need
  to be as loud as everyone else.
  Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the
   lute?
  Wayne
  > Begin forwarded message:
  >
  > From: WALSH STUART <[2][1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
  > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
  > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
  >
  > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is
   surely
  odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that was
   composed
  centuries ago.
  >
  > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person
   -
  who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however gem-laden
   it
  may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the
   harmless
  choice of a free being?
  >
  > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's
   a
  case of self-harm.
  >
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Arto Wikla


Hi dear lutenist friends

I've played many unorthodox lute thingies to the YouTube, oftenmost very 
badly. ;-) Here are links to some of them:


* Pietre Rotolanti: Dipingi nera quella porta:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuyf4uha8fs
* Something very different: short teenage memory ... ;-)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej1cDDQYOX8=youtu.be
*Sean Jib: Inflandia Hymn ;-)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFij8YnjqdU=youtu.be

And I've done much more in this scene - and I will ... ;-)

best, piece and love,

Arto



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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Alain Veylit


Good quote from a great movie, Christopher!

A lutenist walks into a bar down South and gets plenty of empty beer 
bottles thrown at him... They did not like his modernist bend on the 
passomezzo



On 03/16/2018 01:51 PM, Christopher Wilke wrote:

Actually, I think the quote is:

"We got both kinds [of music]: Country AND Western" - the bartender in
The Blues Brothers. ;-)

Speaking personally, I see myself as an artist first, a musician second
and an instrumentalist (on various instruments including lute) third.
There's a Composer and improviser in the mix somewhere as well. I'm
happy to play any kind of music on any instrument. On the lute, I do my
best not to let my knowledge of HIP get in the way of making music.
That's a challenge sometimes!

Chris

[1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Friday, March 16, 2018, 4:11 PM, guy_and_liz Smith
 wrote:

This, perhaps:

Louis Armstrong - "There is two kinds of music, the good & the bad. I
play the good kind."

--

Personally, I'm a purist to the extent that I play only Ren music on
the lute or sackbut. I play modern music (symphonic band and jazz) on a
modern trombone. Works for me, but one of these days I might try jazz
with the sackbut. Some pieces might work nicely with a lutenist that
can read a jazz chart, and maybe a shawm or dulcian or cornetto...

Guy

-Original Message-

From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Alain Veylit

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:28 PM

To: lute net

Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

Trick question: When Paul O'Dette plays an arrangement of a ragtime on
lutes, it that early music or modern music?

I am reminded of a quote by a jazz player (whose name escapes me now):

there are only two kinds of music, the good one and the other one.
Which one should we play on which instrument?

Whatever gets in the way of having fun with the music gets in the way
of good music. Whether arthritis or prejudices (that could be defined
as arthritis of the mind). Should playing the lute prevent us from
having fun with the music?

It is illogical in this space-time continuum to insist that
improvisation is a necessary skill for early music and refuse to play
contemporary music, don't you think?

Given the fact that there was a large amount of bad music published in
the 16th and 17th century, should not we be allowed to play bad
contemporary music?

Just sticking to the label of this thread...

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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Leonard Williams

   I, myself, was attracted to the lute, via recorders and other early
   instruments, because I like playing renaissance music.  What better way
   to enjoy it than on the instruments for which it was written?  If I
   were an instructor, I would probably be more inclined to teach
   guitarists to read lute-tabbed recercari than to play later music on
   the lute.

   Leonard
   -Original Message-
   From: Mathias.Roesel 
   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 
   Sent: Fri, Mar 16, 2018 2:28 pm
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so, what they
   like best.
   Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% of this tiny
   community don't seem to be interested in newly composed music for the
   lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute mailing list
   community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in general. They're
   fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I hasten to add
   that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious discussions
   about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern music. I for
   one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes.
   Mathias
   __
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   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   Von: Wayne
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr
   An: lute net
   One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all,
   or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our
   repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our
   romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth
   in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we
   can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So maybe we are
   overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a
   different instrument to play something modern. Especially when we need
   to be as loud as everyone else.
   Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
   Wayne
   > Begin forwarded message:
   >
   > From: WALSH STUART <[2][1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
   >
   > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely
   odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that was composed
   centuries ago.
   >
   > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person -
   who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it
   may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless
   choice of a free being?
   >
   > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a
   case of self-harm.
   >
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Johann Melchior Pichler (1695-?1780?)

2018-03-16 Thread Stephan Olbertz

It took me a while to realize that there is a download link on the page
What an article, I'm deeply impressed! The amount and depth of archival
studies involved is totally crazy! 
Now, who wants to do a complete edition of Johann Melchior Pichler's lute
works? The time is ripe :-)

Regards
Stephan

-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag
von Markus Lutz
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. März 2018 08:56
An: Barocklautenliste; Tim Crawford
Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Johann Melchior Pichler (1695-?1780?)

Dear friends,
yesterday the substantial article of Johannes Agustsson on Joseph Johann
Adam von Liechtenstein was published. This noble man was not only a patron
of Vivaldi, but he also employed a composer and musician, whose works are
very widely known also in the lute world:
Johann Melchior Pichler (1695-1780?).
He most probably is 'our' Pichler.

Also Agustsson mentions Johann Georg Orschler (Orsler), of whom we have a
work with lute in Haslemere:
http://www.cini.it/en/publications/studi-vivaldiani-17 (in English).

Herzliche Grüße
Markus




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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Christopher Wilke

Actually, I think the quote is:

"We got both kinds [of music]: Country AND Western" - the bartender in
The Blues Brothers. ;-)

Speaking personally, I see myself as an artist first, a musician second
and an instrumentalist (on various instruments including lute) third.
There's a Composer and improviser in the mix somewhere as well. I'm
happy to play any kind of music on any instrument. On the lute, I do my
best not to let my knowledge of HIP get in the way of making music.
That's a challenge sometimes!

Chris

[1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Friday, March 16, 2018, 4:11 PM, guy_and_liz Smith
wrote:

This, perhaps:

Louis Armstrong - "There is two kinds of music, the good & the bad. I
play the good kind."

Personally, I'm a purist to the extent that I play only Ren music on
the lute or sackbut. I play modern music (symphonic band and jazz) on a
modern trombone. Works for me, but one of these days I might try jazz
with the sackbut. Some pieces might work nicely with a lutenist that
can read a jazz chart, and maybe a shawm or dulcian or cornetto...

Guy

-Original Message-

From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
[mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Alain Veylit

Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:28 PM

To: lute net

Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

Trick question: When Paul O'Dette plays an arrangement of a ragtime on
lutes, it that early music or modern music?

I am reminded of a quote by a jazz player (whose name escapes me now):

there are only two kinds of music, the good one and the other one.
Which one should we play on which instrument?

Whatever gets in the way of having fun with the music gets in the way
of good music. Whether arthritis or prejudices (that could be defined
as arthritis of the mind). Should playing the lute prevent us from
having fun with the music?

It is illogical in this space-time continuum to insist that
improvisation is a necessary skill for early music and refuse to play
contemporary music, don't you think?

Given the fact that there was a large amount of bad music published in
the 16th and 17th century, should not we be allowed to play bad
contemporary music?

Just sticking to the label of this thread...

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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread guy_and_liz Smith

This, perhaps:

Louis Armstrong - "There is two kinds of music, the good & the bad. I play the 
good kind."
--
Personally, I'm a purist to the extent that I play only Ren music on the lute 
or sackbut. I play modern music (symphonic band and jazz) on a modern trombone. 
Works for me, but one of these days I might try jazz with the sackbut. Some 
pieces might work nicely with a lutenist that can read a jazz chart, and maybe 
a shawm or dulcian or cornetto...

Guy

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of 
Alain Veylit
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 12:28 PM
To: lute net
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

Trick question: When Paul O'Dette plays an arrangement of a ragtime on lutes, 
it that early music or modern music?

I am reminded of a quote by a jazz player (whose name escapes me now): 
there are only two kinds of music, the good one and the other one. Which one 
should we play on which instrument?
Whatever gets in the way of having fun with the music gets in the way of good 
music. Whether arthritis or prejudices (that could be defined as arthritis of 
the mind). Should playing the lute prevent us from having fun with the music?
It is illogical in this space-time continuum to insist that improvisation is a 
necessary skill for early music and refuse to play contemporary music, don't 
you think?
Given the fact that there was a large amount of bad music published in the 16th 
and 17th century, should not we be allowed to play bad contemporary music?
Just sticking to the label of this thread...



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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread John Mardinly

   Beautiful! Thank you.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

   On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Daniel Shoskes
   <[1]kidneykut...@gmail.com> wrote:

   Since you asked: [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3kCnbnSnc

   On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:09 PM, John Mardinly <[3]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   wrote:

   So does anyone play contemporary music on the vihuela?
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
   Francisco Goya

 On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Wayne <[4]wst...@cs.dartmouth.edu>
 wrote:
 One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we
 all, or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part
 of our repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar,
 or our romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone
 or synth in some cases.   If we can choose to play Spanish music on
 our vihuela we can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube)
 synth.  So maybe we are overlooking contemporary lute music because
 we tend to pick up a different instrument to play something modern.
  Especially when we need to be as loud as everyone else.
 Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the
 lute?
 Wayne

 Begin forwarded message:
 From: WALSH STUART <[5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
 Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
 If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely
 odder to only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was
 composed centuries ago.
 Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person -
 who would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden
 it may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the
 harmless choice of a free being?
 There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a
 case of self-harm.

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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Alain Veylit

Trick question: When Paul O'Dette plays an arrangement of a ragtime on 
lutes, it that early music or modern music?


I am reminded of a quote by a jazz player (whose name escapes me now): 
there are only two kinds of music, the good one and the other one. Which 
one should we play on which instrument?
Whatever gets in the way of having fun with the music gets in the way of 
good music. Whether arthritis or prejudices (that could be defined as 
arthritis of the mind). Should playing the lute prevent us from having 
fun with the music?
It is illogical in this space-time continuum to insist that 
improvisation is a necessary skill for early music and refuse to play 
contemporary music, don't you think?
Given the fact that there was a large amount of bad music published in 
the 16th and 17th century, should not we be allowed to play bad 
contemporary music?

Just sticking to the label of this thread...



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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Valery SAUVAGE

   > > "So does anyone play contemporary music on the vihuela?"


   So do I (and on the lute too)

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA7ZWqvHtfA

   (and I compose too but on the ukulele)

   V.





 > Message du 16/03/18 20:38
 > De : "Daniel Shoskes" 
 > A : "John Mardinly" 
 > Copie Ã  : "Lute List" 
 > Objet : [LUTE] Re: Some questions
 >
 > Since you asked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3kCnbnSnc
 >
 >
 > > On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:09 PM, John Mardinly
  wrote:
 > >
 > > So does anyone play contemporary music on the vihuela?
 > >
 > > A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
 > > The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
 > > Francisco Goya
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Wayne > wrote:
 > >>
 > >> One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices -
 we all, or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain
 part of our repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical
 guitar, or our romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even
 saxophone or synth in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish
 music on our vihuela we can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue
 tube) synth. So maybe we are overlooking contemporary lute music
 because we tend to pick up a different instrument to play something
 modern. Especially when we need to be as loud as everyone else.
 > >>
 > >> Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the
 lute?
 > >>
 > >> Wayne
 > >>
 > >>
 > >>> Begin forwarded message:
 > >>>
 > >>> From: WALSH STUART 
 > >>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
 > >>> Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
 > >>>
 > >>> If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is
 surely odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that
 was composed centuries ago.
 > >>>
 > >>> Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a
 person - who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however
 gem-laden it may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice
 was the harmless choice of a free being?
 > >>>
 > >>> There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps
 it's a case of self-harm.
 > >>>
 > >>
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Daniel Shoskes

Since you asked: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3kCnbnSnc


> On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:09 PM, John Mardinly  wrote:
> 
> So does anyone play contemporary music on the vihuela?
> 
> A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
> The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
> Francisco Goya
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Wayne > > wrote:
>> 
>> One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all, or 
>> most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our 
>> repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our 
>> romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth in 
>> some cases.   If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we can 
>> choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth.  So maybe we are 
>> overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a different 
>> instrument to play something modern.  Especially when we need to be as loud 
>> as everyone else.
>> 
>> Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: WALSH STUART 
>>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
>>> Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
>>> 
>>> If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely odder 
>>> to only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was composed 
>>> centuries ago.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person - who 
>>> would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it may be) 
>>> - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless choice of a 
>>> free being?
>>> 
>>> There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a case 
>>> of self-harm.
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
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>>  
>> 

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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Stephan Olbertz

I agree, however I surprised myself recently when I felll in love with Dosia
McKay's Parting for baroque lute.
Stephan

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An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions

   Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so, what they
   like best.
   Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% of this tiny
   community don't seem to be interested in newly composed music for the
   lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute mailing list
   community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in general. They're
   fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I hasten to add
   that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious discussions
   about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern music. I for
   one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes.
   Mathias
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   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   Von: Wayne
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr
   An: lute net

   One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all,
   or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our
   repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our
   romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth
   in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we
   can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So maybe we are
   overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a
   different instrument to play something modern. Especially when we need
   to be as loud as everyone else.
   Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
   Wayne
   > Begin forwarded message:
   >
   > From: WALSH STUART <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
   >
   > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely
   odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that was composed
   centuries ago.
   >
   > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person -
   who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it
   may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless
   choice of a free being?
   >
   > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a
   case of self-harm.
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread mathias.roe...@t-online.de

   Everybody is free to do with their lutes, or should be so, what they
   like best.
   Gilbert's initial observation was, though, that some 90% of this tiny
   community don't seem to be interested in newly composed music for the
   lute. And I take it that he wasn't referring to the lute mailing list
   community exclusively, but to lute loving folks in general. They're
   fully entitled, aren't they, to not be interested. And I hasten to add
   that I myself refuse to get involved in lute religious discussions
   about whether or not lutes should be taken to play modern music. I for
   one prefer to pick up the guitar for such purposes.
   Mathias
 __

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   --- Original-Nachricht ---
   Von: Wayne
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   Datum: 16.03.2018, 18:01 Uhr
   An: lute net

   One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all,
   or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our
   repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our
   romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth
   in some cases. If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we
   can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth. So maybe we are
   overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a
   different instrument to play something modern. Especially when we need
   to be as loud as everyone else.
   Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
   Wayne
   > Begin forwarded message:
   >
   > From: WALSH STUART <[2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
   >
   > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely
   odder to only play a lute and only ever to play music that was composed
   centuries ago.
   >
   > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person -
   who would only, ever, play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it
   may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless
   choice of a free being?
   >
   > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a
   case of self-harm.
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread John Mardinly

So does anyone play contemporary music on the vihuela?

A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters
Francisco Goya



> On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Wayne  wrote:
> 
> One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all, or 
> most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our 
> repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our romantic 
> guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth in some cases.  
>  If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we can choose to play 
> Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth.  So maybe we are overlooking 
> contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a different instrument to 
> play something modern.  Especially when we need to be as loud as everyone 
> else.
> 
> Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
> 
>  Wayne
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: WALSH STUART 
>> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
>> Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
>> 
>> If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely odder to 
>> only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was composed centuries 
>> ago.
>> 
>> Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person - who 
>> would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it may be) - 
>> would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless choice of a free 
>> being?
>> 
>> There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a case of 
>> self-harm.
>> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Mark Seifert

   Dear Wayne,
   Due to a desire to play Loud lute music, I bought a 7-steel string
   electric guitar and another 8-steel string electric guitar partly
   because they were so dirt cheap compared to lutes, which are simply not
   available at the local Guitar Center.   After I learned they
   sell guitars on consignment, including my cheap 7-string, I asked if I
   could sell some lutes on consignment.  They said NO.  I haven't played
   these two guitars much because they are H e a v y! and because the
   strings hurt my gnarled fingers, and so on.
   Best wishes,
   Mark
   On Friday, March 16, 2018 10:04 AM, Wayne 
   wrote:
   One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all,
   or most of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our
   repertoire on our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our
   romantic guitar, or our bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth
   in some cases.  If we can choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela
   we can choose to play Babbit on our (analogue tube) synth.  So maybe we
   are overlooking contemporary lute music because we tend to pick up a
   different instrument to play something modern.  Especially when we need
   to be as loud as everyone else.
   Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?
 Wayne
   > Begin forwarded message:
   >
   > From: WALSH STUART <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
   > Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   > Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
   >
   > If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely
   odder to only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was
   composed centuries ago.
   >
   > Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person -
   who would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it
   may be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless
   choice of a free being?
   >
   > There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a
   case of self-harm.
   >
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Wayne

One thing that has not been mentioned is that we have choices - we all, or most 
of us, or some of us, can choose to play a certain part of our repertoire on 
our Les Paul/Marshall, or our classical guitar, or our romantic guitar, or our 
bandora, or ukulele or even saxophone or synth in some cases.   If we can 
choose to play Spanish music on our vihuela we can choose to play Babbit on our 
(analogue tube) synth.  So maybe we are overlooking contemporary lute music 
because we tend to pick up a different instrument to play something modern.  
Especially when we need to be as loud as everyone else.

Does anyone here not have or play any instrument at all but the lute?

  Wayne


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: WALSH STUART 
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
> Date: March 16, 2018 at 12:26:07 PM EDT
> 
> If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely odder to 
> only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was composed centuries ago.
> 
> Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person - who 
> would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it may be) - 
> would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless choice of a free 
> being?
> 
> There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a case of 
> self-harm.
> 

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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Dan Winheld


On 3/16/2018 9:26 AM, WALSH STUART wrote:
If there were such a person - who would only, ever,  play centuries' 
old music would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless 
choice of a free being? 


Yes indeed. It would be quite enough! Most of my students over the years 
have been just such people. I have also, for years at a stretch, also 
played only old lute music on my aging lutes.
As far as I know at this time it still considered a "harmless choice of 
a free being". So far there have occurred no arrests, indictments, 
censures, citations, boycotts; or any other civil, legal, or criminal 
repercussions due to such proclivities. Of course, Bob Mueller is not 
yet finished with his extensive investigations so this is not written in 
stone.
"And flies away, and flies away from aged things" -Apologies to Robert 
Johnson. :-)




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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread WALSH STUART

If it seems odd to want to play modern music on a lute it is surely 
odder to only play a lute and only ever to play  music that was composed 
centuries ago.


Perhaps no one is odd enough for that! If there were such a person - who 
would only, ever,  play centuries' old music (however gem-laden it may 
be) - would it be enough to say that this choice was the harmless choice 
of a free being?


There is no obvious harm to others in such a case but perhaps it's a 
case of self-harm.



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[LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei

2018-03-16 Thread Rainer


Niedersachs. Staatsarchiv Aurich, Sign.: Rep. 241 MSC, Nr. E 101

contains a song to the tune of "Est ce Mars" that begins "Ehrlich, freundlich, und 
schön dabei"

See

E. Friedländer, Eine Liederhandschrift des k. Staats-Archivs zu Aurich aus dem 
Anfange des 17. Jahrhunderts, in: Monatshefte für Musikgeschichte 6 (1874), S. 
1-25


Rainer


On 16.03.2018 13:07, Joachim Lüdtke wrote:


Dear Rainer,

I had a look a the microfilm of the source (Leipzig II.6.15) yesterday. The initial s 
(it's the round, not the long form) is a bit, well, one of its own, but still it is an s. 
I read the word as "schein" = a dialect form of schoen.

Best

Joachim




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[LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei

2018-03-16 Thread Joachim Lüdtke


Dear Rainer,

I had a look a the microfilm of the source (Leipzig II.6.15) yesterday. The 
initial s (it's the round, not the long form) is a bit, well, one of its own, 
but still it is an s. I read the word as "schein" = a dialect form of schoen.

Best

Joachim


-Original-Nachricht-
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei
Datum: 2018-03-16T12:59:47+0100
Von: "Rainer" 
An: "Lute net" 

In his very interesting article about "Est ce mars" Eberhard Nehlsen reads

"Freundlich, höflich, schön daneben".

He may have seen the original or drawn the title form an article by Tappert 
published in 1892 [sic!].

Rainer

On 12.03.2018 16:48, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
> Well, also possible: Friendly, courtly, and yours...
> 
> Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone.
>    Originalnachricht
> Von: jo.lued...@t-online.de
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 16:43
> An: Rainer; Lute net
> Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei
> 
> 
> Ich dhin mit gantzer Freud der lieb Nur als Idee. Diese Texte sind oft so 
> voller verklausulierter Partikel...
> 
> Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone.
>    Originalnachricht
> Von: Rainer
> Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 16:39
> An: Lute net
> Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei
> 
> 
> On 12.03.2018 16:26, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:
>> ‎Dear Rainer, dear list,
>>
>> Well, it is not necesarily nonsense, but neithertheless puzzling as long as 
>> you don't know how the text may continue.
> 
> Und was soll dhin sein? "Dein" in Orthografie aus dem 14 Jahrhundert?
> 
> Rainer
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei

2018-03-16 Thread Rainer


In his very interesting article about "Est ce mars" Eberhard Nehlsen reads

"Freundlich, höflich, schön daneben".

He may have seen the original or drawn the title form an article by Tappert 
published in 1892 [sic!].

Rainer

On 12.03.2018 16:48, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:

Well, also possible: Friendly, courtly, and yours...

Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone.
   Originalnachricht
Von: jo.lued...@t-online.de
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 16:43
An: Rainer; Lute net
Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei


Ich dhin mit gantzer Freud der lieb Nur als Idee. Diese Texte sind oft so 
voller verklausulierter Partikel...

Gesendet von meinem BlackBerry 10-Smartphone.
   Originalnachricht
Von: Rainer
Gesendet: Montag, 12. März 2018 16:39
An: Lute net
Antwort an: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Freundlich hoflich dhin darbei


On 12.03.2018 16:26, jo.lued...@t-online.de wrote:

‎Dear Rainer, dear list,

Well, it is not necesarily nonsense, but neithertheless puzzling as long as you 
don't know how the text may continue.


Und was soll dhin sein? "Dein" in Orthografie aus dem 14 Jahrhundert?

Rainer



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[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

2018-03-16 Thread Matthew Daillie


On 16/03/2018 04:39, Edward Martin wrote:

Thanks Daniel.

Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he did 
on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der Waals is 
alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used computers, I 
shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask him.  It seems 
as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of who has knowledge in 
this area.

I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming there 
IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the claim was 
years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but nobody has 
documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute.

The plot thickens

Sent from my iPhone


The strange thing is that the dates don't seem right at all. The lute 
Paul O'Dette plays is a 6-course and Goffriller was active in the late 
17th and early 18th centuries. He did have a son who was a luthier but 
he would have been even less likely to make a 6-course.


Best,

Matthew



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[LUTE] 13 course Baroque lute for sale

2018-03-16 Thread Anton Birula

   Dear Friends we are selling a nice baroque lute by Martin de Witte.
   69/76 cm stringlength please contact us for more information
   The instrument is strung with NYLGUT and Aquila DE type  Wound basses
   for more natural focused sound in the bass register.
   Below are links to the Demo and PHOTO album with this instrument.
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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Martyn Hodgson

   Dear Jurgen,
   A 1986 (modern?) paraphrase of a Wolf song for 13 course Dm lute is
   found on the Lute Society site.
   Look under Lute Society free downloads. Cut and paste these into your
   browser
   [1]http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/free-downloads
   [2]http://www.lutesociety.org/vanilla/lutesoc/uploads/members-compositi
   ons/martyn-hodgson/Paraphrase%20on%20Wolf%20Dm%20lute.pdf
   MH
 __

   From: Jurgen Frenz 
   To: Tristan von Neumann 
   Cc: lutelist Net 
   Sent: Friday, 16 March 2018, 8:23
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: Some questions
   There are many great songs by Hugo Wolf - the piano score would need to
   be reduced in ambitus to fit in the range of any lute.
   Johann Kaspar Mertz is the only "real" guitar composer of the romantic
   period AND often (not all of it)  is fairly hard to play. What is even
   more interesting about Mertz is that all of his work is online on the
   Swedish academy of music and drama.
   Ã¢\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-
   "There is a voice that doesn't use words. Listen."
   JalÃl ad-DÃÂ«n Muhammad RumiÃ¢
   Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢ Original Message Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢
   On 16 March 2018 7:22 AM, Tristan von Neumann
   <[3]tristanvonneum...@gmx.de> wrote:
   > Ã¢Ã¢
   >
   > Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to play on
   >
   > the lute :)
   >
   > I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the lute.
   >
   > Ravel's "La VallÃÂ©e des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque lute,
   >
   > though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.
   >
   > [4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
   >
   > This song deserves a lute version:
   >
   > [5]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
   >
   > Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:
   >
   > > I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription of
   a
   > >
   > > post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff, but
   > >
   > > perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille
   aux
   > >
   > > cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made my
   own
   > >
   > > transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a few
   more
   > >
   > > worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and then...
   > >
   > > "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to
   contemporary
   > >
   > > lute music and related topics ?"
   > >
   > > Dan
   > >
   > > On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, [6]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
   > >
   > > > That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
   > > >
   > > > RT
   > > >
   > > > Sent from my iPhone
   > > >
   > > > > On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron
   [7]andricopraelu...@hotmail.com wrote:
   > > > >
   > > > > The very idea of not composing for the lute is an anachronism.
   > > > >
   > > > > RA
   > > >
   > > > To get on or off this list see list information at
   > > >
   > > > [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   1. http://www.lutesociety.org/pages/free-downloads
   2. 
http://www.lutesociety.org/vanilla/lutesoc/uploads/members-compositions/martyn-hodgson/Paraphrase
 on Wolf Dm lute.pdf
   3. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html
   4. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html
   5. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html
   6. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html
   7. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html
   8. file:///net/ifs-users/lute-arc/L25121-233TMP.html

[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Albert Reyerman


the publication is

4 pieces fo archlute
by Claude Debussy and Erik Satie
arranged and intabulated by
Jonathan Rubin

available from TREE  EDITION
in their
tree today series
of contemporary lute music

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Am 16.03.2018 um 02:24 schrieb Dan Winheld:
The publication that has the Debussy does, in fact, have a couple of 
Satie's Gymnopedes..
I'll post the details if I can find it.  Apparently some of this work 
has already been going on, if a bit under the radar.

Dan

On 3/15/2018 5:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to play on 
the lute :)


I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the lute.

Ravel's "La Vallée des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque lute, 
though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI

This song deserves a lute version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18




Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:
I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription of 
a post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff, but 
perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille aux 
cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made my 
own transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a few 
more worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and then...


  "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to contemporary
    lute music and related topics ?"

Dan

On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:

That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
RT

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron Andrico  
wrote:


   The very idea of not composing for the lute is an anachronism.

   RA



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[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Jurgen Frenz

There are many great songs by Hugo Wolf - the piano score would need to be 
reduced in ambitus to fit in the range of any lute.

Johann Kaspar Mertz is the only "real" guitar composer of the romantic period 
AND often (not all of it)  is fairly hard to play. What is even more 
interesting about Mertz is that all of his work is online on the Swedish 
academy of music and drama.

\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-

“There is a voice that doesn’t use words. Listen.”

Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rumi

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On 16 March 2018 7:22 AM, Tristan von Neumann  wrote:

> 
> 
> Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to play on
> 
> the lute :)
> 
> I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the lute.
> 
> Ravel's "La Vallée des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque lute,
> 
> though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
> 
> This song deserves a lute version:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
> 
> Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:
> 
> > I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription of a
> > 
> > post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff, but
> > 
> > perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille aux
> > 
> > cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made my own
> > 
> > transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a few more
> > 
> > worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and then...
> > 
> > "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to contemporary
> > 
> > lute music and related topics ?"
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
> > 
> > > That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
> > > 
> > > RT
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > > On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron andricopraelu...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > The very idea of not composing for the lute is an anachronism.
> > > > 
> > > > RA
> > > 
> > > To get on or off this list see list information at
> > > 
> > > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

2018-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier

Of course I meant “Nico” not Nice !!! Sorry ! And the German lutenist Nico is 
living with is Sigrun Richter. I visited them in Italy last summer and played a 
duet concert there with Sigrun. They are very nice people!
Best,
Jean-Marie

> Le 16 mars 2018 à 08:23, Jean-Marie Poirier  a écrit :
> 
> Yes Nice is alive and well. He is presently making a lute for me which I 
> should receive in October... 8 course after Tieffenbrucker (from a private 
> collection in London).
> All the best,
> Jean-Marie
> 
>> Le 16 mars 2018 à 04:39, Edward Martin  a écrit :
>> 
>> Thanks Daniel. 
>> 
>> Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he 
>> did on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der 
>> Waals is alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used 
>> computers, I shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask 
>> him.  It seems as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of 
>> who has knowledge in this area. 
>> 
>> I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
>> Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming 
>> there IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the 
>> claim was years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but 
>> nobody has documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute. 
>> 
>> The plot thickens
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Daniel F. Heiman  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ed:
>>> 
>>> Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
>>> https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
>>> However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
>>> Lautenweltaddressbuch.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On 
>>> Behalf Of Edward Martin
>>> Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
>>> To: lute net
>>> Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller
>>> 
>>> Dear ones, 
>>> 
>>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, 
>>> basses. No lutes listed. 
>>> 
>>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute 
>>> built by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am 
>>> having a difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. 
>>> Does anyone know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  
>>> I would like to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo 
>>> Casals’ Goffriller cello. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
>

[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread Gilbert Isbin

   Satie arranged for the lute by G. Isbin
   Gnossienne 1, 2 and 3, Elegie, Marche de Cocagne
   [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l1HziUDIIM=PLoNMcNOgUKFkmXdv7V
   tYvR25wKBfmBOdg
   3 Nick Drake Songs arranged for the lute by G. Isbin
   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0nIQ63JJw

   With kind regards,

   Met vriendelijke groeten,

   Bien cordialement,
   Gilbert Isbin
   [3]www.gilbertisbin.com
   [4]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
   2018-03-16 3:22 GMT+01:00 Dan Winheld <[5]dwinh...@lmi.net>:

 "Claude Debussy & Erik Satie - 4 Pieces for Lute"
 Arranged and Intabulated by Jonathan Rubin
 Tree-Edition, Munchen - Tablature Copied by Albert Reymann
 Copyright 1986

   On 3/15/2018 6:24 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:

 The publication that has the Debussy does, in fact, have a couple of
 Satie's Gymnopedes..
 I'll post the details if I can find it.   Apparently some of this
 work has already been going on, if a bit under the radar.
 Dan
 On 3/15/2018 5:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:

 Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to play
 on the lute :)
 I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the lute.
 Ravel's "La VallÃÂ©e des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque lute,
 though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.
 [6]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
 This song deserves a lute version:
 [7]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
 Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:

 I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription of
 a post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff, but
 perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille aux
 cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made my
 own transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a few
 more worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and then...
   "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to
 contemporary
   lute music and related topics ?"
 Dan
 On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, [8]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:

 That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
 RT
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron Andrico<[9]praelu...@hotmail.com>
 wrote:
 The very idea of not composing for the lute is an anachronism.
 RA

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References

   1. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l1HziUDIIM=PLoNMcNOgUKFkmXdv7VtYvR25wKBfmBOdg
   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_0nIQ63JJw
   3. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/
   4. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net
   6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
   7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
   8. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com
   9. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
  10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Some questions

2018-03-16 Thread David van Ooijen

   Has been done. There's a cd with satie on lute.
   David
   On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 at 03:24, Dan Winheld <[1]dwinh...@lmi.net> wrote:

 "Claude Debussy & Erik Satie - 4 Pieces for Lute"
 Arranged and Intabulated by Jonathan Rubin
 Tree-Edition, Munchen - Tablature Copied by Albert Reymann
 Copyright 1986
 On 3/15/2018 6:24 PM, Dan Winheld wrote:
 > The publication that has the Debussy does, in fact, have a couple
 of
 > Satie's Gymnopedes..
 > I'll post the details if I can find it.   Apparently some of this
 work
 > has already been going on, if a bit under the radar.
 > Dan
 >
 > On 3/15/2018 5:22 PM, Tristan von Neumann wrote:
 >> Let's collect some ideas what late 19th/20th century music to
 play on
 >> the lute :)
 >>
 >> I suppose many pieces of Erik Satie would sound great on the
 lute.
 >>
 >> Ravel's "La VallÃÂ©e des Cloches" is probably nice for Baroque
 lute,
 >> though you would need an expert to transcribe this adequately.
 >> [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
 >>
 >> This song deserves a lute version:
 >> [3]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Am 16.03.2018 um 00:07 schrieb Dan Winheld:
 >>> I TOTALLY support that- also, maybe the occasional transcription
 of
 >>> a post-l historical lute era piece? Obviously some guitar stuff,
 but
 >>> perhaps others. I have an archlute version of Debussy's "Lafille
 aux
 >>> cheveux de lin" made years ago, I forget which lutenist. I made
 my
 >>> own transcription of Piazzolla's "Triston". I'm sure there are a
 few
 >>> more worthy things that could fit on a page or two, now and
 then...
 >>>
 >>>   "Lutemags devote 1 page or half a page in their issue to
 contemporary
 >>>   lute music and related topics ?"
 >>>
 >>> Dan
 >>>
 >>> On 3/15/2018 3:38 PM, [4]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote:
  That has been my argument for the last 20 years.
  RT
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
 > On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:38 PM, Ron
 Andrico<[5]praelu...@hotmail.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 > The very idea of not composing for the lute is an
 anachronism.
 >
 > RA
 
 
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 >>>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >
 >
 >

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   ***

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   1. mailto:dwinh...@lmi.net
   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnTmtjO6IKI
   3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih6UCcIvE18
   4. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Goffriller

2018-03-16 Thread Jean-Marie Poirier

Yes Nice is alive and well. He is presently making a lute for me which I should 
receive in October... 8 course after Tieffenbrucker (from a private collection 
in London).
All the best,
Jean-Marie

> Le 16 mars 2018 à 04:39, Edward Martin  a écrit :
> 
> Thanks Daniel. 
> 
> Yes, I have that old LP and also the old recording of LeRoy and Paladin he 
> did on that Goffriller copy.  Someone recently told me that Nico van der 
> Waals is alive, living with a German Lutenist. Since Nico has never used 
> computers, I shall ask that Lutenist if he/ she knows anything or could ask 
> him.  It seems as though Nico van der Waals is the only person we know of who 
> has knowledge in this area. 
> 
> I will be seeing Amit Peled who has the Pablo Casals Goffriller cello on 
> Sunday, and I want to tell him about the extant Goffriller lute, assuming 
> there IS a Goffriller copy anywhere. I hope this is not a hoax, but the claim 
> was years ago that Paul played his alto lute as a Goffriller copy, but nobody 
> has documentation now of the existence of a Goffriller lute. 
> 
> The plot thickens
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Daniel F. Heiman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Ed:
>> 
>> Paul O'Dettes copy of the Goffriller lute was used on this vinyl LP:
>> https://www.discogs.com/Paul-ODette-Early-Venetian-Lute-Music/release/10202869
>> However, there is no original lute by Goffriller listed in the 
>> Lautenweltaddressbuch.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Daniel
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf 
>> Of Edward Martin
>> Sent: 15 March, 2018 14:30
>> To: lute net
>> Subject: [LUTE] Goffriller
>> 
>> Dear ones, 
>> 
>> I reside in Northern Minnesota, and in a few days we will have a cello 
>> concert performed by Amit Peled, and he is performing on Pablo Casals’ old 
>> cello by Matteo Goffriller made in 1733.  I looked up some information on 
>> that builder, and he founded the Venice school of violin making and he is 
>> known mostly for his cellos.  Most or all of his surviving instruments are 
>> accounted for, but all lists contained only violins, violas, cellos, basses. 
>> No lutes listed. 
>> 
>> I seem to recall years ago that Paul O’Dette used to play an alto lute built 
>> by Nico van der waals, modeled after a lute by Goffriller. I am having a 
>> difficult time finding anything about extant Goffriller lutes. Does anyone 
>> know anything about the provenance of an old Goffriller lute?  I would like 
>> to know, as I will be meeting with Amit Pelad, who has Pablo Casals’ 
>> Goffriller cello. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at 
>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>

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