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Sent: Thu, April 26, 2012 9:46:32 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Thanks David,
That's very helpful and a systematic analysis.
The approach I've used for most of my lutes is to use the string
spacing of an old 9c lute
: Wednesday, 25 April 2012, 18:57
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Simple geometry.
It's all been worked out, unlike forty years ago when we worked it
out.
No different from buying clothes.
dt
At 11:55 PM 4/9/2012, you wrote:
A luthier would need
at one time.
Anyway - Plenty to think about there.
Thanks again!
Bill
From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Thursday, 26 April 2012, 2:01
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Take a small, thin piece of wood 5mm, 5.2mm and so
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Simple geometry.
It's all been worked out, unlike forty years ago when we worked it out.
No different from buying clothes.
dt
At 11:55 PM 4/9/2012, you wrote:
A luthier would need a formula relating hand dimensions (hand span
: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
I haven't come across that formula David. Can you please point me to
a
source for the recipe? It could save a lot of time and money!
Thanks,
Bill
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To: William Samson [2]willsam
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Sent: Wed, April 25, 2012 11:32:00 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
I haven't come across that formula David. Can you please point me to
a
source for the recipe? It could save a lot of time and money!
Thanks
a goodish number of instruments.
Bill
From: David Tayler vidan...@sbcglobal.net
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012, 22:27
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Ninety percent of the lutes I see are set up wrong and are also the
wrong size for the person
My teacher told me that you don't choose a lute, it chooses you. Maybe
that is true.
That is true, you know it when you feel it, but it may take years of playing
experience on many instruments to finally recognize that right and perfect
match up when it happens. My once-in-a-lifetime lute
Although the shoe analogy can be taken too far, it is true that one edge of the
double-edge sword of too many historical sizes, shapes, set-ups that can lead
the player/builder dynamic astray is also that other edge provides more
opportunity to get it right; and was consciously done so:
well when you play
upon a more easy lute.
Bill
From: Daniel Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 April 2012, 18:57
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Although the shoe analogy can be taken too far, it is true that one
edge
Ninety percent of the lutes I see are set up wrong and are also the
wrong size for the person playing. I doubt that this will change
anytime soon: once someone buys the wrong size instrument, they either
keep it or trade it in for another one that is the wrong size.
So I would rate
there was a
luthier in every town, it was much easier to get a good fit, but I live in
Texas, and the luthier who will build my next lute (Cezar Mateus) lives in
New Jersey.
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From: David Tayler
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 4:27 PM
To: lute
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes
On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:
I agree with David that string span and spacing are extremely important,
and, as one about to have a lute built, I am wondering whether it would help
to send the luthier a tracing of my right and left hands to help
Your hands will tell you.
So, how would I know if the lute I currently have has good enough spacing?
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Just to add my two cents. My lutes are a joy for the visual elegance they
have, the artistry of the makers, the beauty of their sound
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Just to add my
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Just to add my two cents. My lutes are a joy for the visual
elegance
they
have
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Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 17:58
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Someday I shall build one. I want to. I desire of one which looks
like
after 1000 years of battles and sings as fallen angel in catharsis.
But
for myself :)
2012
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Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 17:58
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Someday I shall build one. I want to. I desire of one which looks
like
after 1000 years of battles and sings as fallen angel in catharsis.
But
for myself
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Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
This seems a good moment to wheel out the piece from several years ago
that still alas applies!
Best wishes,
David
From the LS newsletter, November 1993:
Buying a lute, 1551 ===
Good morrow, Master Laux; I
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Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 17:58
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Someday I shall build one. I want to. I desire of one which looks
like
after 1000 years of battles and sings as fallen angel in catharsis.
But
for myself
How about adding reasonably accurate intonation to the list? Granted,
that may be more often a property of the set-up than the 'goodness' of
the lute itself, but still...
On 4/8/2012 4:57 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote:
Aside from the essential question of acoustics, and the aesthetics of
I'm not sure how intonation could be a factor for any competently made
instrument. Strictly up to the player and her strings, I would think.
On Apr 8, 2012, at 5:14 PM, Mark Warren wrote:
How about adding reasonably accurate intonation to the list? Granted, that
may be more often a property
Interesting list. First quick thought on reputation of maker as
something that makes a good lute: isn't it the other way around?
Chris.
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:25 AM, William Samson
[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I haven't really got much to add to the subject line.
In medicine, we have a saying, The most important part of the stethoscope
lies between the earpieces.
It's in the fingers (or rather, the corpus striatum in the brain).
Al
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From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of William Samson
Hi,
very nice list. Let me put them in a slightly different order:
1. sound (very subjective, but when you hear it, you know you found it)
2. playability (again very subjective. Most of present lutemakers
dogmata are rather funny, especially when supported by arguments like
this
I can tell you how you can spot a good lute (if you buy from a lute
maker) in Western Europe and USA, very simple:
BY IT'S PRICE!!!
And on the other hand I think you can't make a rule (or a set of rules)
for what makes a good lute, important is when you buy it that you
like
I vote only for sound and playability!
Aesthetic have no sense for me. The instrument may looks like total
horror but if it can produce great sound and is comfortable to play
it's ok for me. By the way I really hate highly ornamented instruments
with that flowers, hearts etc.
Not a very easy question to answer and by the way not a very relevant question.
The very notion of good applied to a lute or anything is obviously
subjective. The few potentially objective criteria are evident : craftsmanship,
woods, string action and price. All the rest is open to debate.
I do
Eugene, you wouldn't consider the problem of sound as an aesthetic one...???
Aesthetic doesn't only mean the aspect of the instrument? It's a little bit
more complex than that, isn't it?
Best,
Jean-Marie
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== En réponse au message du 07-04-2012, 17:07:11 ==
, Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
To: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net
Cc: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 6:07 PM
I vote only
Well I prefer to differ.
Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand with
pretty look.
As former classical guitarist I can say that I knew some 3000$ guitars
with sound like 800$ yamaha. Not better.
The only differences were: french polish, intarsia and
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1]eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Haha :) BC Rich guitars looks not badl but Carlos Santana's PRS
sounds much better :) And the sound is primary.
2012/4/7 hera caius [2]caiush2...@yahoo.com
Here is the instrument:
(I' m worning you that it's not
eugene.kure...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 6:56 PM
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1][1]eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Haha :) BC Rich
That sounds really exciting...please let me know what was the
conclusion... [24.gif]
Caius
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
To: hera caius
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 6:56 PM
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1][1][5]eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Haha :) BC Rich guitars looks not badl but Carlos Santana's PRS
sounds
, 18:15:47 ==
That sounds really exciting...please let me know what was the
conclusion... [24.gif]
Caius
--- On Sat, 4/7/12, Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
From: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute
To: Jean-Marie Poirier jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
Cc: Luca Manassero l...@manassero.net; Lute List
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Well I prefer to differ.
Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand
Cc: Luca Manassero [4]l...@manassero.net; Lute List
[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Well I prefer to differ.
Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand
with
pretty
List
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Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:50 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Well I prefer to differ.
Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand
with
pretty look.
As former classical guitarist I can
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Sent: Saturday, 7 April 2012, 17:58
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Someday I shall build one. I want
I agree with this post...
-Message d'origine-
De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
de A.J. Padilla MD
Objet : [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
In medicine, we have a saying, The most important part of the stethoscope
lies between the earpieces
, nothing else
matters, does it? trj
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From: Eugene Kurenko eugene.kure...@gmail.com
To: lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sat, Apr 7, 2012 11:57 am
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1]eugene.kure...@gmail.com
Haha :) BC Rich
A more pertinent question - at least for me - is how to find the lute that
suits you, given sound and playability as high priorities? For most of us, is
there a more efficient and less expensive way than to buy and probably sell
many instruments until we find the one that fits our hands and
Of Sauvage Valéry
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:40 AM
To: 'Lute List'
Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
I agree with this post...
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de A.J. Padilla MD Objet : [LUTE] Re: What makes
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