Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote:
 On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:

  3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
  WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.
 
 They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document
 contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure
 that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.

That's not true at all. OpenOffice, MSWord, Abiword and Kompozer are all 
WYSIWYG, and all of them can be used to write styles based content that gives 
structure to the document.

 
 Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the
 spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text
 by hand.  

That's not true at all. In 1999, before knowing about LyX, I wrote a 317 page 
styles based book in MS Word, and you'd better believe the spacing, margins 
and alignment were all governed by styles and not by one-off formatting.

I think the LyX community does itself a grave disservice emphasizing this 
WYSIWYG vs WYSIWYM thing. If I were going to enumerate the good things about 
LyX, it would be something like this:

* It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based competitors.
* It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
* It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike others.
* The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
* Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and editing.
* It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
* It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

 
 Ignoring the difficulty
 
  in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
  After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
  something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
  the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;
 
 No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing
 with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not
 want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a
 bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.

I have to disagree again. If there's something weird with the line-breaking 
in the PDF, then it will make the reader uncomfortable, and you can't just say 
Let TeX handle it, because apparently it didn't, and the reader must be 
comfortable. Long words, URLs, monospaced type are just a few of the things 
that make funny line breaks in default-formatted LyX docs. And by funny line 
breaks I mean lines walking right off the page, which is a fatal error as far 
as the reader's concerned. Most such problems can be handled by \sloppy, but 
unless you want the whole doc sloppy, you must do that on a paragraph by 
paragraph basis.

When I began using LyX in 2001 and complained about the prodigious difficulty 
of making your own paragraph styles, some people told me just use the 
defaults. Scuse me? LyX didn't provide a Warning style, and my readers needed 
one. It didn't provide a Story style, and my readers needed one. Saying to 
just use the defaults is a lot like telling a programmer to use standard 
cooked input on a keyboard driven menu system. Sure, it's easier for the 
programmer, but the user has to hit double the keystrokes, and he'll hate the 
end product.

I wrote an article about some of this ten years ago:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/bestandworst.htm

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
 errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
 dealing with compile errors all that much.
 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
 error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
 1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
 only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
 always the case.

This is an important point, and one should evaluate if it is feasible
to go further into 'asking' LaTeX wheere the error is - it would
definitley help the users to provide a better understandable error
message *if* something fails.

ERT are a different issue - if you are using ERTs, you should know
what you are doing and out of the responsibility zone of LyX.

But beamer should be refined.


 2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
 and save word documents.

What I would expect / not expect from a word document which is
exported from LyX is:

1) Have all the content (normally this is the case)

2) Not look like a LaTeX document - I want to use it to collaborate
with word users, so the actual layout (margins, ...) are irrelevant
for me. Sections should be using the style for header 1, subsections
header 2, ... SO that it *looks* MsWordish and easy for the word user
(which is not the case when it looks as a document created by LaTeX  -
start with the margins which look horrible in word but are brilliant
in the final pdf). This refers to paragraph styles - but character
styles should be exported as they are. So a mapping would be usefull:
Section - header 1 , ...

2a) I understand that one wants to have sometime the possibility to
export the LaTeX generated document - but that is a different story.

3) Contain the track changes from LyX

4) Contain the comments

To go from there, I would expect that, when importing the word
document I get back from my collaborators with track changes and
comments, that

1) Track changes are imported
2) Comments are imported
3) Paragraph styles are ignored, apart from the mapped default
styles (header 1- Section)

My reasoning is, that in most cases, an export is NOT done to see the
final layout (for this I usually attach a pdf as well), but for
editorial comments.

Cheers,

Rainer



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Re: Default label???

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

 At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
 docs (Customization and Functions, I think).


 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

 I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
 option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
 Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Yes - I would suggest to file a feature request, that the naming of
the label is based on some variables ($W1 = first word, ...$W10) and
some kind of regular expression? This would make customisation much
easier.

Rainer


 Cheers
 Liviu


 Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
 that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting 
 the
 cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
 the highlighted text.

 I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
 process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
 words should be changeable.

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Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi Julien,

Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
 I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
So do I.

 Open splash.lyx
 Set Use non-tex fonts
I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
button / menu entry Use non-tex fonts.
Where can you set this?

TIA

Best regards

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
at Word users.

This has been done for R at
http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
documents.

A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

Graham



On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters (
 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine (
 http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help.
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people,
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

 The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are
 not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using
 version control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset
 publications with LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then
 walk through how the code works. They might describe 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote:
 One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
 at Word users.

 This has been done for R at
 http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
 familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
 in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
 comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

 I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
 couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
 document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
 via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
 and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
 documents.

 A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
the sense that:

Main Document in LyX - export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) - comment from Word users in document - import into
LyX - editiong in LyX - export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) - ... - Finl editing in LyX

So the Word user would not be confronted with LyX.

But I think that this should be a separate topic.

Cheers,

Rainer


 Graham



 On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 but I'm not sure we 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote:
 One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
 at Word users.

This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an
introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest
priority) and, perhaps, one for those with a heavy LaTeX background.
(For the latter, we might simply recycle the existing Help  Tutorial
 LyX for LaTeX users, but give it much better visibility on the
lyx.org home page.)

If you give it some thought, the two are essentially the only ones
that make sense, because there aren't really other types of newcomers:
you are either already familiar with Word, or with LaTeX; else you
wouldn't be looking at LyX in the first place.

Liviu


 This has been done for R at
 http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
 familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
 in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
 comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

 I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
 couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
 document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
 via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
 and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
 documents.

 A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

 Graham



 On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

Rainer,

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
 issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
 enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
 the sense that:


Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread, I thought it was
to broaden the appeal/user base beyond the perceived Academic one (but I use
it in consultancy).

Graham

LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex=pdflatex -shell-escape to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?

Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu
tools settings paths home (retranslated from my german version of
lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?

TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut

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Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Hellmut Weber m...@hellmutweber.de wrote:
 Hi Julien,

 Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
 I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
 So do I.

 Open splash.lyx
 Set Use non-tex fonts
 I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
 button / menu entry Use non-tex fonts.
 Where can you set this?

This is only present in 2.0 betas.
Liviu


 TIA

 Best regards

 Hellmut

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Re: LyX Promotion

[george legge]

Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX;
but you have omitted what to me is the most significant:

Try using Word to compile a  long book with many illustrations, often with 3
graphics to a page.
Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child
documents,
particularly one with many graphics. There are many warnings that Word will
crash and corrupt files.

So be it - I used OpenOffice. Result: as the book got longer, the OpenOffice
master crashed frequently.
Every time a child document was added or modified, the master document took
up to half an hour to update and was likely to crash in the process.
At least OpenOffice never corrupted the files; but it became impractical to
complete assembly of the book.

I carried the same files over to LyX, converting each child document.
Result: LyX has not crashed once and it assembles or updates the master
document into a pdf, with all the graphics inserted in less than 30 seconds.

I may have to negotiate with LyX on where I wish to place an image or what
ERT is needed.
But the worse that might happen is I get an error message.
All through the operations, LyX remains rock steady.

For long complex documents, LyX is the practical solution.

Cheers, George Legge



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

 If I were going to enumerate the good things about
 LyX, it would be something like this:

 * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
 competitors.
 * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
 * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
 others.
 * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
 * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
 editing.
 * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
 * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
\bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

Best of lucks.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung in 
 LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
 hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
 ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
 einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Dear Julio

Thanks a lot for the help. Unfortunately, I'm getting an error message, when I 
want LyX to put out a PDF (as you can see in the attachment). The desired 
package is marked as installed, when I look in the TeX Live manager. Do you 
have a solution for that problem?

Regards

Sandro

Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex
 
 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:
 
 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}
 
 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).
 
 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys
 
 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.
 
 Best regards
 
 Sandro
 
 Hallo zusammen
 
 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.
 
 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung 
 in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
 ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
 ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
 einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
 
 Beste Grüsse
 
 Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number
 of tutorials for people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or
 workshops? (I've also thought about teaching a design workshop through
 my local library, and these materials would help provide a
 curriculum.)

 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

There is already much material at http://wiki.lyx.org. Maybe a review
and re-organization might improve its impact factor.

Günter

Re: LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Julien Rioux]

On 23/03/2011 5:55 AM, Hellmut Weber wrote:

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex=pdflatex -shell-escape to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?



Your interpretation sounds correct. You can change the converter line in 
Tools  Settings  File Handling  Converters (look for LaTeX - PDF 
(pdflatex))


but...

I would suggest to use \jobname in ERT if possible instead of calling a 
python script for this.



Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu

toolssettingspathshome (retranslated from my german version of

lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?



hmm, not sure. this might be a bug.


TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut




--
Julien

Re: Default label???

[Richard Heck]

On 03/22/2011 07:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

 At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
 docs (Customization and Functions, I think).

How about alt-i, l? (Keyboard-based menu access.)

 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

 I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
 option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
 Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Rainer's idea about this is OK, but it seems a lot of work for not much
payoff.

Richard

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
`name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
to your package manager and install logreq.

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung 
 in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
 ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
(with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
of errors. I deleted the packages found in
~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex, rebuild MikTeX index and
it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:

! Undefined control sequence.
\hyper@linkurl ...tionraw }\relax \Hy@colorlink
  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

! Undefined control sequence.
\close@pdflink -\Hy@endcolorlink
  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

I have installed url, breakurl and hyperref (reported as not
installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.

Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
your bibliography in the preamble.

3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:

\bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
sudo texhash in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
file in the texmf-tree.)

This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.

Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.

Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to make 
 a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with its 
 propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.




 Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
 `name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
 to your package manager and install logreq.

 Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded 
 here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, 
 that anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische 
 Zeitung in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
 Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

BTW, don't use white spaces or non-ascii characters in the path of
your bibliography/document (you have a folder called Lektürekurs
Imerialismus), or you'll have to escape them (not imposible, but only
more difficult to do). It is better to use underscores (_) and
regular letters without diacritics.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
 your bibliography in the preamble.

 3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:

 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
 you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
 sudo texhash in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
 file in the texmf-tree.)

 This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
 ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.

 Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
 lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.

 Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
 trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to 
 make a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with 
 its propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.




 Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
 `name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
 to your package manager and install logreq.

 Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have 
 downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. 
 The README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I 
 hope, that anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische 
 Zeitung in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
 Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: LyX Promotion

[stefano franchi]

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 wrote:

 If I were going to enumerate the good things about
 LyX, it would be something like this:

 * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
 competitors.
 * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
 * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
 others.
 * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
 * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
 editing.
 * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
 * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

I completely agree with Steve's points about LyX. In particular, I
think he is right in pointing out that pure LyX/LaTeX will almost
never produce a final production quality output. And by production
quality I mean a document typeset to the typographical standards used
and enforced by good publishing houses. LaTeX will almost get you
there---let's say 90% of the way---while Word/OO do not even try. But
that final 10% requires manual intervention and exact much more pain
than you'll ever encounter in Word/OO or other standard word
processors. I say this from my very recent experience as the co-editor
a 400+ book done with LyX and typeset to publisher's specs.

There are many reasons for this fact. One is font handling, which is
very poor in LaTeX. Things are getting better with LuaTeX/fonttspec,
but the process is still far from straightforward. A second problem is
page breaks, which is certainly not one of LaTeX's strengths out of
the box. Not only page breaks need to be manually adjusted in the
final draft, getting correct grid-like layout with properly balanced
odd and even page is incredibly difficult, in my experience. A recent
article in TugBoat went into some details on this issue, and the
discussion continued on comp.text.tex. I don't know enough TeX to
really use the experimental algorithms that were proposed both in the
article and in the group, and my sense of the current state of the art
is that a better page-handling algorithm will have to wait for a
LuaTeX-based solution. There are other issues as well, some of which
Steve mentioned. And I am not even getting into the academia-only
problems of correctly typesetting  bibliography styles and index
layouts.

In short: LyX should not be promoted as the tool that gets you
camera-ready production-quality pdf files out of the box. It
won't. It will producenear-production-quality pdf that will need
quite a bit of tweaking and will require specialized skills in order
to be perfect. Out of the box, LyX will produce better looking
documents  than your average word processor. In my experience, though,
most Word users do not really care, because what they get from their
word processor is good enough. In a sense, they are right: for
informal communication, a document typeset by Word is often
sufficient. And for formal communication, well, the professionals who
work for publishing houses and/or service bureaus  will take your Word
document and produce a professionally  typeset document with tools
like InDesign, Quark Xpress, etcetera.

(As some have pointed out, this situation may change as personally
produced e-books become a mass phenomenon. In my opinion, though, we
are not even close to that.)

On the other hand, LyX should be promoted, I think, as a more
productive environment. To put it crudely: LyX/LaTeX's weakness
(finessing formats is a royal pain) turns into a strength: you know
you do not want to mess with the format because it is a pain.
Therefore you focus on the content only. Thi sis obviously true for
long, complex documents, as many have pointed out. But it is also true
for shorter documents. I routinely write everything except letters in
LyX, from memos to lecture notes, to notes to myself. to articles,
etc. I am much more productive than I have ever been (and I have used
every single version of MS Word from 1.0/DOS forward, plus various
assorted alternatives).


As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can
LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip
will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me
that a more reasonable goal would be to have a Word-output function
that strips all formatting except the semantically relevant items
(emphasis, etc) and produce a clean Word file ready to be imported
into a typesetting program or to be sent to Word-only people. The
XHTML output filter in LyX 2.0 is almost there, I think.


The biggest hurdle to LyX's acceptance, I think, is that it is almost
impossible to cooperate with people not using it. Writing an article,
or a memo, or a report, grant application, with Word users is not
possible unless the LyX user takes the responsibility of maintaining a
LyX master file and inputting corrections and edits from pdf
annotations, manual edits on hard copys, word snippets, 

Re: Howto put itemize inside beamer block

[drfridolin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
 
 
 Nest the itemize under the block (M-S-right arrow).
 
 /Paul
 

yes, but what is the Mac Os X equivalent for (M-S-right arrow)?

--
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Sent from the LyX - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

I could backtrace the error to the use of \href in the definition of
\email in moderncv.cls. Nonetheless, hyperref seems to be loaded
correctly.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
 not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
 weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
 a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
 (with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
 not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
 have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
 of errors. I deleted the packages found in
 ~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex, rebuild MikTeX index and
 it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
 compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 \hyper@linkurl ...tionraw }\relax \Hy@colorlink
                                                  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
 l.54 \begin{document}

 The control sequence at the end of the top line
 of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
 misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
 spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
 and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 \close@pdflink -\Hy@endcolorlink
                                  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
 l.54 \begin{document}

 The control sequence at the end of the top line
 of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
 misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
 spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
 and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

 I have installed url, breakurl and hyperref (reported as not
 installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
 there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.

 Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com

tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[irving rangel]

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de 
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores; Missing 
\endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra }.Paragraph ended 
before \@firstoftwo was complete.
 
gracias de antemano espero me puedad ayudar, la verdad es que no se a que se 
deba esto.   

Re: tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[David L. Johnson]

On 03/23/11 13:40, irving rangel wrote:

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores;
Missing \endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra
}.Paragraph ended before \@firstoftwo was complete.

gracias de antemano espero me puedad ayudar, la verdad es que no se a
que se deba esto.


I occasionally see errors like that, and they are usually the result of 
me accidentally having a displayed equation (eqnarry environment) in a 
section or subsection environment.


Check each equation for the environment that is being used.  If it is a 
shortish file, send it to me and I will see what I can see.


--

David L. Johnson

It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster.
--Greg LeMond

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
 
 I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
 scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
 of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.


  beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this...
 list...
 
 This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
 Liviu



  Ronen
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Dear all
  I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
   4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
   LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to
   help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials
 for
   people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've
 also
   thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and
 these
   materials would help provide a curriculum.)
  
  I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
  and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
  (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
  by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
  bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
  At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
  preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
  this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
  please post them here.
 
  Regards
  Liviu
 
 



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Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
  scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
  of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.

Oh, I haven't gotten to Hebrew yet. :) If you have time and it's not
much bother, I would indeed much appreciate a starting point for my
workshop. Please let me know.

Cheers
Liviu

Re: tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[Marcelo Acuña]

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de 
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores; 
Missing \endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra 
}.Paragraph ended before \@firstoftwo was complete.

hola,
 tenés que revisar el preamble y todos los ERT en busca de una orden mal 
escrita.
 Para facilitar el proceso podés encerrar grandes porciones de tu trabajo en 
notas, las cuales no serán procesadas. Sí el error desaparece sabrás que el 
problema está en la zona encerrada en la nota, de lo contrario en el otro 
lugar, y así podrás encontrar rápidamente el lugar.
 Repetí la consulta con más detalles si no lo solucionás. De todas formas, 
recordá que esta lista es en inglés y que mucha más gente te podrá ayudar si 
escribís en ese idioma.
 Saludos
Marcelo



  

Re: LyX Promotion

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: LyX Promotion
 To: Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com
 Cc: LyX Devel lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:34 AM
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM,
 Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  One possible approach is to write an introduction to
 Lyx specifically aimed
  at Word users.
 
 This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably
 need an
 introduction for those coming from the world of Word
 (highest
 priority) and, perhaps, one for those with a heavy LaTeX
 background.
 (For the latter, we might simply recycle the existing Help
  Tutorial
  LyX for LaTeX users, but give it much better
 visibility on the
 lyx.org home page.)
 
 If you give it some thought, the two are essentially the
 only ones
 that make sense, because there aren't really other types of
 newcomers:
 you are either already familiar with Word, or with LaTeX;
 else you
 wouldn't be looking at LyX in the first place.

Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am,  from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, 
FullWrite Professional background  and there still seem to be quite a few 
WordPerfect people still out there.  

Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex but not all,  
 

 
 Liviu
 
 
  This has been done for R at
  http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where
 the tutorials assume
  familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things
 differ (or are the same)
  in R. There have also been similar things done for the
 GIS program Manifold,
  comparing it against the Industry standard products
 from ESRI.
 
  I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because,
 as a Word User, I just
  couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the
 concept of compiling a
  document probably being the main one). I then
 eventually came back to Lyx
  via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and
 then Lyx fell into place
  and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex
 for every day
  documents.
 
  A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a
 great help.
 
  Graham
 
 
 
  On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
 
  Dear Users and Developers,
 
  Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing
 up with Google about why
  the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any
 way that I could help in
  that review? Stefano, will you be attending the
 IRC meeting to be held later
  today? I think it's very important that we
 understand why LyX was rejected
  as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to
 hep in any way necessary.
 
  While I have some ideas about why it may have
 happened, I think that Pavel
  hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people
 about LyX, they seem to
  think of it as a specialized academic writing
 tool. Basically, a program
  which helps professors and students write a thesis
 or articles. (To be even
  more narrow, it seems like many think it is for
 math and physics people to
  write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a
 specialized program with an
  incredibly small user base and use.
 
  While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I
 don't think anyone would
  argue that many of the developers and users are
 within academics), it
  significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially
 if you consider the
  enhancements available in the upcoming version.
 From my own personal
  experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable
 pre-press/writing tool
  I've ever come across. If I were a publishing
 company or involved in the
  creation of any type of documentation, I would be
 looking  at LyX very
  carefully. It's the only tool that I know that
 allows you to manage
  collaboration, typesetting the final output, and
 target both electronic and
  print from the same source. With the recent
 explosion of electronic
  publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it
 *highly* relevant.
 
  Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community
 appreciates that. (Hearing
  Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC
 application will help somewhat in
  clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really
 brings me to the reason I'm
  writing.
 
  Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people
 who might find it
  helpful?
 
  We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX
 book, which is an
  excellent and wonderful project. But what if we
 first tested those waters by
  tackling some smaller projects first?
 
  For example:
 
  1.) I just learned about a new open design
 magazine this morning, called
  LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
  publication is to help designers find tools for
 their work. It seems like an
  article about using LyX for book design would be a
 natural fit for their
  target audience.
 
  2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is
 also coming up. This
  year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics
 

Cursor Size in RC1?

[Greg Kise]

Hi LyXers,

There was some discussion of making it possible to change cursor size  
in LyX2.0RC1 (especially needed for Mac). Was this done? And if so,  
how do I do it?


I have 300+ pages to edit and the one pixel cursor is making me bug- 
eyed ;-).


Thanks!
~greg

Re: Cursor Size in RC1?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 23-3-2011 23:16, Greg Kise wrote:

Hi LyXers,

There was some discussion of making it possible to change cursor size 
in LyX2.0RC1 (especially needed for Mac). Was this done? And if so, 
how do I do it?


I have 300+ pages to edit and the one pixel cursor is making me 
bug-eyed ;-).


Thanks!
~greg

Yes, it is done. You can find it in 
Tools-Preferences-Editing-Control-Cursor Width.


However, you'll have to wait for RC2.

Vincent

Re: LyX Promotion

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that
 Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they
 seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically,
 a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or
 articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems like many think it is for
 math and physics people to write a thesis or article.)

IMV, handling formal, complex documents and math typesetting are actually
LyX main strenghts.

...

 To the extent that the stereotype is true, it may also be worth
 considering what the reasons are for this, and if it is reasonable to
 remove those reasons. Off-the-top of my head the following could be
 issues.

 1) Compile Errors.
...
 1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
 only occur if the user uses ERT.

This is an ongoing task (as LaTeX evolves and there are far too many ways
to create a compile error that cannot be foreseen). However, my
experience is that LaTeX compile errors are already treated as bugs, so
no change in policy is needed. Also there is usually fast help (hints on
thw right way or workarounds) when compile errors are reported on the
users list (even faster if a minimal example is given).


 2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
 and save word documents.

...

 3) Not WYSIWYG.  
...

 After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
 something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
 the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem; recompile PDF. This can
 take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
 factor of ten times faster.

Where do you expecte the speedup?

* Compiling a long, complex document can take considerable time.
  In WYSIWYG mode, this time would be needed with every edit action.
  
* A major speedup of the process is possible without WYSIWYG mode:

  The keyword is inverse search: clicking in the PDF viewer brings you
  to the right spot in the source. Getting this to work out of the box
  seems a worthwile task.
  
Günter

Re: Howto put itemize inside beamer block

[Paul Rubin]

drfridolin d.flannel at gmail.com writes:

 
 yes, but what is the Mac Os X equivalent for (M-S-right arrow)?
 

Check the menu (Edit  Increase list depth) and see if it gives the shortcut.

Paul

Re: Default label???

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:04:05 you wrote:
 On 03/22/2011 07:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!
  
  First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every
  one.
  
  At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
  docs (Customization and Functions, I think).
 
 How about alt-i, l? (Keyboard-based menu access.)
 
  But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often
  the first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to
  the first five words?
  
  I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
  option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
  Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.
 
 Rainer's idea about this is OK, but it seems a lot of work for not much
 payoff.
 
 Richard

Hi Richard,

You'd have a new respect for the payoff after labeling 55 chapters with more 
than 3 words, and many start with The or A.

If Rainer's idea is too much work, an easier route could be made. Somewhere in 
the code is a constant, variable or magic number describing the max length in 
words of a default label. Just use that constant, variable or magic number to 
set a variable, and then override the variable based on an environment 
variable if the environment variable exists. I'd guess it would be about a ten 
minute change.

Then, if that environment variable solution becomes popular, at a later time 
the number of words can be set using a genuine configuration screen.

How does that sound?

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote:

 As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can
 LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip
 will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me
 that a more reasonable goal would be to have a Word-output function
 that strips all formatting except the semantically relevant items
 (emphasis, etc) and produce a clean Word file ready to be imported
 into a typesetting program or to be sent to Word-only people. 

Even better, in addition to exporting emphasis and noun, have it export the 
named but empty styles (environments and character styles) used in the doc, so 
the word doc has the styles and the text marked up with those styles. Then all 
that remains is to go in and modify those styles in MSWord or OOffice to 
produce the desired look. After all, modifying a style in Word is five 
minutes, not five hours.

This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction...

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote:


Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am,  from an
SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to
be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there.

Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex but not
all,


  I'll throw in my opinion, too. It's free and well worth the price. About
15 years ago we had this same discussion about linux: how do we get more
people to defenestrate and adopt linux or the *BSDs. The consensus settled
down to: don't do anything. Those who want to work in a better, more secure
computing environment will do so. Those who want to
point-and-click/drag-and-drool, and not learn how to type at a CLI are not
candidates for the unices. And Microsoft is welcome to support them.

  It's the same with LyX/LaTeX. Not everyone cares about typeset output (but
put a page from OO.o Writer next to the same text from TeX and everyone can
see the difference), and not everyone wants to understand what's going on
underneath the hood. To use LyX you need to know LaTeX. For most of us, too,
we accept that we're not expert typographers, page layout gurus, or document
structure experts. So we leave those to the professionals and we just
produce our documents while focusing on content (the substantive) and
ignoring the superficial. Yes, we sometimes need to change appearances, but
we can do this very easily with the KOMA-script and Memoir classes. However,
many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want
them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different
paradigm and understand what is underneath what they do.

  On may other open source software mail lists I see the struggles of those
who want to run the applications on Windoze. They don't understand the need
to know the tool since all their experience is in using tools that are
totally opaque to them because they are proprietary.

  I had this discussion earlier today with a colleague who does forest
analytics and he was explaining how limiting SAS is compared to R, but folks
still resist change because it means learning something new.

  The LyX-using community keeps growing. New users will find it just like
the rest of us did.

Rich

Only 2 options for output?

[Brian P . Rabbit]

Hi.

When I open LyX 2.00 rc1 (on a Mac 10.5),
I only see two options for output RTF and LyXHTML.
What happened to PDF, PS, and DVI?

Sincerely,

Currvita package--rename bibliography title

[Greg Kise]

Hi LyXers,

Hopefully this post saves you some time...

If you are using the CV package currvita and wish to rename or  
suppress the bibliography title, you must use this command in the  
preamble:


\renewcommand{\cvbibname}{NewName}

Currvita uses cvbibname instead of refname. So if you are trying to  
change the title using refname, you are in for a long evening.


Cheers!
~g

Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote:
 On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:

  3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
  WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.
 
 They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document
 contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure
 that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.

That's not true at all. OpenOffice, MSWord, Abiword and Kompozer are all 
WYSIWYG, and all of them can be used to write styles based content that gives 
structure to the document.

 
 Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the
 spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text
 by hand.  

That's not true at all. In 1999, before knowing about LyX, I wrote a 317 page 
styles based book in MS Word, and you'd better believe the spacing, margins 
and alignment were all governed by styles and not by one-off formatting.

I think the LyX community does itself a grave disservice emphasizing this 
WYSIWYG vs WYSIWYM thing. If I were going to enumerate the good things about 
LyX, it would be something like this:

* It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based competitors.
* It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
* It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike others.
* The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
* Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and editing.
* It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
* It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

 
 Ignoring the difficulty
 
  in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
  After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
  something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
  the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;
 
 No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing
 with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not
 want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a
 bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.

I have to disagree again. If there's something weird with the line-breaking 
in the PDF, then it will make the reader uncomfortable, and you can't just say 
Let TeX handle it, because apparently it didn't, and the reader must be 
comfortable. Long words, URLs, monospaced type are just a few of the things 
that make funny line breaks in default-formatted LyX docs. And by funny line 
breaks I mean lines walking right off the page, which is a fatal error as far 
as the reader's concerned. Most such problems can be handled by \sloppy, but 
unless you want the whole doc sloppy, you must do that on a paragraph by 
paragraph basis.

When I began using LyX in 2001 and complained about the prodigious difficulty 
of making your own paragraph styles, some people told me just use the 
defaults. Scuse me? LyX didn't provide a Warning style, and my readers needed 
one. It didn't provide a Story style, and my readers needed one. Saying to 
just use the defaults is a lot like telling a programmer to use standard 
cooked input on a keyboard driven menu system. Sure, it's easier for the 
programmer, but the user has to hit double the keystrokes, and he'll hate the 
end product.

I wrote an article about some of this ten years ago:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/bestandworst.htm

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
 errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
 dealing with compile errors all that much.
 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
 error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
 1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
 only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
 always the case.

This is an important point, and one should evaluate if it is feasible
to go further into 'asking' LaTeX wheere the error is - it would
definitley help the users to provide a better understandable error
message *if* something fails.

ERT are a different issue - if you are using ERTs, you should know
what you are doing and out of the responsibility zone of LyX.

But beamer should be refined.


 2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
 and save word documents.

What I would expect / not expect from a word document which is
exported from LyX is:

1) Have all the content (normally this is the case)

2) Not look like a LaTeX document - I want to use it to collaborate
with word users, so the actual layout (margins, ...) are irrelevant
for me. Sections should be using the style for header 1, subsections
header 2, ... SO that it *looks* MsWordish and easy for the word user
(which is not the case when it looks as a document created by LaTeX  -
start with the margins which look horrible in word but are brilliant
in the final pdf). This refers to paragraph styles - but character
styles should be exported as they are. So a mapping would be usefull:
Section - header 1 , ...

2a) I understand that one wants to have sometime the possibility to
export the LaTeX generated document - but that is a different story.

3) Contain the track changes from LyX

4) Contain the comments

To go from there, I would expect that, when importing the word
document I get back from my collaborators with track changes and
comments, that

1) Track changes are imported
2) Comments are imported
3) Paragraph styles are ignored, apart from the mapped default
styles (header 1- Section)

My reasoning is, that in most cases, an export is NOT done to see the
final layout (for this I usually attach a pdf as well), but for
editorial comments.

Cheers,

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Re: Default label???

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

 At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
 docs (Customization and Functions, I think).


 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

 I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
 option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
 Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Yes - I would suggest to file a feature request, that the naming of
the label is based on some variables ($W1 = first word, ...$W10) and
some kind of regular expression? This would make customisation much
easier.

Rainer


 Cheers
 Liviu


 Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
 that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting 
 the
 cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
 the highlighted text.

 I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
 process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
 words should be changeable.

 SteveT

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Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi Julien,

Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
 I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
So do I.

 Open splash.lyx
 Set Use non-tex fonts
I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
button / menu entry Use non-tex fonts.
Where can you set this?

TIA

Best regards

Hellmut

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Degenfeldstraße 2 tel   +49-89-3081172
D-80803 München-Schwabing mobil +49-172-8450321
please: No DOCs, no PPTs. why: tinyurl.com/cbgq

Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
at Word users.

This has been done for R at
http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
documents.

A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

Graham



On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters (
 http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine (
 http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help.
 Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people,
 like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought
 about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
 materials would help provide a curriculum.)

 The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are
 not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using
 version control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset
 publications with LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive examples and then
 walk through how the code works. They might describe 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote:
 One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
 at Word users.

 This has been done for R at
 http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
 familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
 in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
 comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

 I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
 couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
 document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
 via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
 and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
 documents.

 A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
the sense that:

Main Document in LyX - export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) - comment from Word users in document - import into
LyX - editiong in LyX - export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) - ... - Finl editing in LyX

So the Word user would not be confronted with LyX.

But I think that this should be a separate topic.

Cheers,

Rainer


 Graham



 On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 but I'm not sure we 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com wrote:
 One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
 at Word users.

This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an
introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest
priority) and, perhaps, one for those with a heavy LaTeX background.
(For the latter, we might simply recycle the existing Help  Tutorial
 LyX for LaTeX users, but give it much better visibility on the
lyx.org home page.)

If you give it some thought, the two are essentially the only ones
that make sense, because there aren't really other types of newcomers:
you are either already familiar with Word, or with LaTeX; else you
wouldn't be looking at LyX in the first place.

Liviu


 This has been done for R at
 http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
 familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
 in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
 comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

 I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
 couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
 document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
 via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
 and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
 documents.

 A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

 Graham



 On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 Dear Users and Developers,

 Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
 the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
 that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
 today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
 as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
 hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
 think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
 which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
 more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
 write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
 incredibly small user base and use.

 While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
 argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
 significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
 enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
 experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
 I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
 creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
 carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
 collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
 print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
 publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.

 Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
 Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
 clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
 writing.

 Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
 helpful?

 We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
 excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
 tackling some smaller projects first?

 For example:

 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
 LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
 publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
 article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
 target audience.

 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
 year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
 demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
 Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
 (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
 talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?

 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
 publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
 creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
 (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
 OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

Rainer,

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
 issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
 enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
 the sense that:


Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread, I thought it was
to broaden the appeal/user base beyond the perceived Academic one (but I use
it in consultancy).

Graham

LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex=pdflatex -shell-escape to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?

Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu
tools settings paths home (retranslated from my german version of
lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?

TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut

-- 
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Degenfeldstraße 2 tel   +49-89-3081172
D-80803 München-Schwabing mobil +49-172-8450321
please: No DOCs, no PPTs. why: tinyurl.com/cbgq

Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Hellmut Weber m...@hellmutweber.de wrote:
 Hi Julien,

 Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
 I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
 So do I.

 Open splash.lyx
 Set Use non-tex fonts
 I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
 button / menu entry Use non-tex fonts.
 Where can you set this?

This is only present in 2.0 betas.
Liviu


 TIA

 Best regards

 Hellmut

 --
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 Degenfeldstraße 2         tel   +49-89-3081172
 D-80803 München-Schwabing mobil +49-172-8450321
 please: No DOCs, no PPTs. why: tinyurl.com/cbgq




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Re: LyX Promotion

[george legge]

Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX;
but you have omitted what to me is the most significant:

Try using Word to compile a  long book with many illustrations, often with 3
graphics to a page.
Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child
documents,
particularly one with many graphics. There are many warnings that Word will
crash and corrupt files.

So be it - I used OpenOffice. Result: as the book got longer, the OpenOffice
master crashed frequently.
Every time a child document was added or modified, the master document took
up to half an hour to update and was likely to crash in the process.
At least OpenOffice never corrupted the files; but it became impractical to
complete assembly of the book.

I carried the same files over to LyX, converting each child document.
Result: LyX has not crashed once and it assembles or updates the master
document into a pdf, with all the graphics inserted in less than 30 seconds.

I may have to negotiate with LyX on where I wish to place an image or what
ERT is needed.
But the worse that might happen is I get an error message.
All through the operations, LyX remains rock steady.

For long complex documents, LyX is the practical solution.

Cheers, George Legge



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.comwrote:

 If I were going to enumerate the good things about
 LyX, it would be something like this:

 * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
 competitors.
 * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
 * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
 others.
 * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
 * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
 editing.
 * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
 * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
\bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

Best of lucks.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung in 
 LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
 hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
 ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
 einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Dear Julio

Thanks a lot for the help. Unfortunately, I'm getting an error message, when I 
want LyX to put out a PDF (as you can see in the attachment). The desired 
package is marked as installed, when I look in the TeX Live manager. Do you 
have a solution for that problem?

Regards

Sandro

Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex
 
 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:
 
 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}
 
 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).
 
 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys
 
 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.
 
 Best regards
 
 Sandro
 
 Hallo zusammen
 
 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.
 
 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung 
 in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
 ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
 ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
 einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
 
 Beste Grüsse
 
 Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
 LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number
 of tutorials for people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or
 workshops? (I've also thought about teaching a design workshop through
 my local library, and these materials would help provide a
 curriculum.)

 I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
 and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
 (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
 by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
 bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.

 At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
 preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
 this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
 please post them here.

There is already much material at http://wiki.lyx.org. Maybe a review
and re-organization might improve its impact factor.

Günter

Re: LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Julien Rioux]

On 23/03/2011 5:55 AM, Hellmut Weber wrote:

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex=pdflatex -shell-escape to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?



Your interpretation sounds correct. You can change the converter line in 
Tools  Settings  File Handling  Converters (look for LaTeX - PDF 
(pdflatex))


but...

I would suggest to use \jobname in ERT if possible instead of calling a 
python script for this.



Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu

toolssettingspathshome (retranslated from my german version of

lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?



hmm, not sure. this might be a bug.


TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut




--
Julien

Re: Default label???

[Richard Heck]

On 03/22/2011 07:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
 wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!

 First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every one.

 At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
 docs (Customization and Functions, I think).

How about alt-i, l? (Keyboard-based menu access.)

 But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
 first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to the first
 five words?

 I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
 option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
 Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Rainer's idea about this is OK, but it seems a lot of work for not much
payoff.

Richard

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
`name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
to your package manager and install logreq.

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
 It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
 anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische Zeitung 
 in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
 ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
(with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
of errors. I deleted the packages found in
~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex, rebuild MikTeX index and
it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:

! Undefined control sequence.
\hyper@linkurl ...tionraw }\relax \Hy@colorlink
  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

! Undefined control sequence.
\close@pdflink -\Hy@endcolorlink
  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

I have installed url, breakurl and hyperref (reported as not
installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.

Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
your bibliography in the preamble.

3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:

\bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
sudo texhash in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
file in the texmf-tree.)

This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.

Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.

Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to make 
 a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with its 
 propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.




 Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
 `name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
 to your package manager and install logreq.

 Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded 
 here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
 README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, 
 that anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische 
 Zeitung in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
 Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

BTW, don't use white spaces or non-ascii characters in the path of
your bibliography/document (you have a folder called Lektürekurs
Imerialismus), or you'll have to escape them (not imposible, but only
more difficult to do). It is better to use underscores (_) and
regular letters without diacritics.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
 your bibliography in the preamble.

 3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:

 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
 you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
 sudo texhash in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
 file in the texmf-tree.)

 This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
 ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.

 Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
 lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.

 Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
 trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to 
 make a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with 
 its propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.




 Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind File
 `name.sty' not found it means you need to install package name. Go
 to your package manager and install logreq.

 Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
 sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{name of bib-file without .bib-extension}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann sandro.portm...@students.unibe.ch:
 Hi guys

 I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have 
 downloaded here 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. 
 The README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I 
 hope, that anybody here can help me.

 Best regards

 Sandro

 Hallo zusammen

 Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
 Hammer ist.

 Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil Historische 
 Zeitung in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
 Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
 http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
 heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
 kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
 Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?

 Beste Grüsse

 Sandro

Re: LyX Promotion

[stefano franchi]

 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com
 wrote:

 If I were going to enumerate the good things about
 LyX, it would be something like this:

 * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
 competitors.
 * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
 * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
 others.
 * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
 * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
 editing.
 * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
 * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

I completely agree with Steve's points about LyX. In particular, I
think he is right in pointing out that pure LyX/LaTeX will almost
never produce a final production quality output. And by production
quality I mean a document typeset to the typographical standards used
and enforced by good publishing houses. LaTeX will almost get you
there---let's say 90% of the way---while Word/OO do not even try. But
that final 10% requires manual intervention and exact much more pain
than you'll ever encounter in Word/OO or other standard word
processors. I say this from my very recent experience as the co-editor
a 400+ book done with LyX and typeset to publisher's specs.

There are many reasons for this fact. One is font handling, which is
very poor in LaTeX. Things are getting better with LuaTeX/fonttspec,
but the process is still far from straightforward. A second problem is
page breaks, which is certainly not one of LaTeX's strengths out of
the box. Not only page breaks need to be manually adjusted in the
final draft, getting correct grid-like layout with properly balanced
odd and even page is incredibly difficult, in my experience. A recent
article in TugBoat went into some details on this issue, and the
discussion continued on comp.text.tex. I don't know enough TeX to
really use the experimental algorithms that were proposed both in the
article and in the group, and my sense of the current state of the art
is that a better page-handling algorithm will have to wait for a
LuaTeX-based solution. There are other issues as well, some of which
Steve mentioned. And I am not even getting into the academia-only
problems of correctly typesetting  bibliography styles and index
layouts.

In short: LyX should not be promoted as the tool that gets you
camera-ready production-quality pdf files out of the box. It
won't. It will producenear-production-quality pdf that will need
quite a bit of tweaking and will require specialized skills in order
to be perfect. Out of the box, LyX will produce better looking
documents  than your average word processor. In my experience, though,
most Word users do not really care, because what they get from their
word processor is good enough. In a sense, they are right: for
informal communication, a document typeset by Word is often
sufficient. And for formal communication, well, the professionals who
work for publishing houses and/or service bureaus  will take your Word
document and produce a professionally  typeset document with tools
like InDesign, Quark Xpress, etcetera.

(As some have pointed out, this situation may change as personally
produced e-books become a mass phenomenon. In my opinion, though, we
are not even close to that.)

On the other hand, LyX should be promoted, I think, as a more
productive environment. To put it crudely: LyX/LaTeX's weakness
(finessing formats is a royal pain) turns into a strength: you know
you do not want to mess with the format because it is a pain.
Therefore you focus on the content only. Thi sis obviously true for
long, complex documents, as many have pointed out. But it is also true
for shorter documents. I routinely write everything except letters in
LyX, from memos to lecture notes, to notes to myself. to articles,
etc. I am much more productive than I have ever been (and I have used
every single version of MS Word from 1.0/DOS forward, plus various
assorted alternatives).


As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can
LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip
will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me
that a more reasonable goal would be to have a Word-output function
that strips all formatting except the semantically relevant items
(emphasis, etc) and produce a clean Word file ready to be imported
into a typesetting program or to be sent to Word-only people. The
XHTML output filter in LyX 2.0 is almost there, I think.


The biggest hurdle to LyX's acceptance, I think, is that it is almost
impossible to cooperate with people not using it. Writing an article,
or a memo, or a report, grant application, with Word users is not
possible unless the LyX user takes the responsibility of maintaining a
LyX master file and inputting corrections and edits from pdf
annotations, manual edits on hard copys, word snippets, 

Re: Howto put itemize inside beamer block

[drfridolin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
 
 
 Nest the itemize under the block (M-S-right arrow).
 
 /Paul
 

yes, but what is the Mac Os X equivalent for (M-S-right arrow)?

--
View this message in context: 
http://lyx.475766.n2.nabble.com/Howto-put-itemize-inside-beamer-block-tp478026p6200326.html
Sent from the LyX - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

I could backtrace the error to the use of \href in the definition of
\email in moderncv.cls. Nonetheless, hyperref seems to be loaded
correctly.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Julio Rojas jcredbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
 not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
 weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
 a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
 (with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
 not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
 have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
 of errors. I deleted the packages found in
 ~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex, rebuild MikTeX index and
 it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
 compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 \hyper@linkurl ...tionraw }\relax \Hy@colorlink
                                                  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
 l.54 \begin{document}

 The control sequence at the end of the top line
 of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
 misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
 spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
 and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

 ! Undefined control sequence.
 \close@pdflink -\Hy@endcolorlink
                                  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
 l.54 \begin{document}

 The control sequence at the end of the top line
 of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
 misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
 spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
 and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

 I have installed url, breakurl and hyperref (reported as not
 installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
 there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.

 Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com

tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[irving rangel]

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de 
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores; Missing 
\endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra }.Paragraph ended 
before \@firstoftwo was complete.
 
gracias de antemano espero me puedad ayudar, la verdad es que no se a que se 
deba esto.   

Re: tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[David L. Johnson]

On 03/23/11 13:40, irving rangel wrote:

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores;
Missing \endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra
}.Paragraph ended before \@firstoftwo was complete.

gracias de antemano espero me puedad ayudar, la verdad es que no se a
que se deba esto.


I occasionally see errors like that, and they are usually the result of 
me accidentally having a displayed equation (eqnarry environment) in a 
section or subsection environment.


Check each equation for the environment that is being used.  If it is a 
shortish file, send it to me and I will see what I can see.


--

David L. Johnson

It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster.
--Greg LeMond

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Ronen Abravanel]

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  How long should it be? A year ago I had one hour workshop on LyX in my
 
 I highly doubt that it would exceed an hour.


  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
 scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
 of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.


  beamer-slides, and 3 pages of do that in order to achieve this...
 list...
 
 This is a nice idea for a tutorial, too.
 Liviu



  Ronen
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Dear all
  I think this is a very good idea.
 
 
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
   4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
   LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
 materials to
   help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials
 for
   people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've
 also
   thought about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and
 these
   materials would help provide a curriculum.)
  
  I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
  and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
  (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
  by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
  bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
 
  At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help  Documentation' in
  preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
  this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
  please post them here.
 
  Regards
  Liviu
 
 



 --
 Do you know how to read?
 http://www.alienetworks.com/srtest.cfm
 http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/xfce4-dict#speed-reader
 Do you know how to write?
 http://garbl.home.comcast.net/~garbl/stylemanual/e.htm#e-mail

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Ronen Abravanel ron...@gmail.com wrote:
  department, and I started with very short into on LaTeX and in what
  scene
  LyX is different from word, and then about 40 minutes of demonstration
  of
  what can I do and how can I do that.
 
  If there is nothing better, I can translate my tutorial to English (few
 
 What is the original language of the tutorial? Maybe I could digest it
 myself.

 Hebrew.

Oh, I haven't gotten to Hebrew yet. :) If you have time and it's not
much bother, I would indeed much appreciate a starting point for my
workshop. Please let me know.

Cheers
Liviu

Re: tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[Marcelo Acuña]

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de 
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores; 
Missing \endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra 
}.Paragraph ended before \@firstoftwo was complete.

hola,
 tenés que revisar el preamble y todos los ERT en busca de una orden mal 
escrita.
 Para facilitar el proceso podés encerrar grandes porciones de tu trabajo en 
notas, las cuales no serán procesadas. Sí el error desaparece sabrás que el 
problema está en la zona encerrada en la nota, de lo contrario en el otro 
lugar, y así podrás encontrar rápidamente el lugar.
 Repetí la consulta con más detalles si no lo solucionás. De todas formas, 
recordá que esta lista es en inglés y que mucha más gente te podrá ayudar si 
escribís en ese idioma.
 Saludos
Marcelo



  

Re: LyX Promotion

[John Kane]

--- On Wed, 3/23/11, Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Liviu Andronic landronim...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: LyX Promotion
 To: Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com
 Cc: LyX Devel lyx-de...@lists.lyx.org, lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
 Received: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 4:34 AM
 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM,
 Graham Smith myotis...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  One possible approach is to write an introduction to
 Lyx specifically aimed
  at Word users.
 
 This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably
 need an
 introduction for those coming from the world of Word
 (highest
 priority) and, perhaps, one for those with a heavy LaTeX
 background.
 (For the latter, we might simply recycle the existing Help
  Tutorial
  LyX for LaTeX users, but give it much better
 visibility on the
 lyx.org home page.)
 
 If you give it some thought, the two are essentially the
 only ones
 that make sense, because there aren't really other types of
 newcomers:
 you are either already familiar with Word, or with LaTeX;
 else you
 wouldn't be looking at LyX in the first place.

Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am,  from an SGML,OOo/AmiPro, 
FullWrite Professional background  and there still seem to be quite a few 
WordPerfect people still out there.  

Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex but not all,  
 

 
 Liviu
 
 
  This has been done for R at
  http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where
 the tutorials assume
  familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things
 differ (or are the same)
  in R. There have also been similar things done for the
 GIS program Manifold,
  comparing it against the Industry standard products
 from ESRI.
 
  I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because,
 as a Word User, I just
  couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the
 concept of compiling a
  document probably being the main one). I then
 eventually came back to Lyx
  via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and
 then Lyx fell into place
  and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex
 for every day
  documents.
 
  A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a
 great help.
 
  Graham
 
 
 
  On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us
 wrote:
 
  Dear Users and Developers,
 
  Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing
 up with Google about why
  the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any
 way that I could help in
  that review? Stefano, will you be attending the
 IRC meeting to be held later
  today? I think it's very important that we
 understand why LyX was rejected
  as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to
 hep in any way necessary.
 
  While I have some ideas about why it may have
 happened, I think that Pavel
  hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people
 about LyX, they seem to
  think of it as a specialized academic writing
 tool. Basically, a program
  which helps professors and students write a thesis
 or articles. (To be even
  more narrow, it seems like many think it is for
 math and physics people to
  write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a
 specialized program with an
  incredibly small user base and use.
 
  While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I
 don't think anyone would
  argue that many of the developers and users are
 within academics), it
  significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially
 if you consider the
  enhancements available in the upcoming version.
 From my own personal
  experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable
 pre-press/writing tool
  I've ever come across. If I were a publishing
 company or involved in the
  creation of any type of documentation, I would be
 looking  at LyX very
  carefully. It's the only tool that I know that
 allows you to manage
  collaboration, typesetting the final output, and
 target both electronic and
  print from the same source. With the recent
 explosion of electronic
  publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it
 *highly* relevant.
 
  Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community
 appreciates that. (Hearing
  Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC
 application will help somewhat in
  clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really
 brings me to the reason I'm
  writing.
 
  Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people
 who might find it
  helpful?
 
  We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX
 book, which is an
  excellent and wonderful project. But what if we
 first tested those waters by
  tackling some smaller projects first?
 
  For example:
 
  1.) I just learned about a new open design
 magazine this morning, called
  LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
  publication is to help designers find tools for
 their work. It seems like an
  article about using LyX for book design would be a
 natural fit for their
  target audience.
 
  2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is
 also coming up. This
  year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics
 

Cursor Size in RC1?

[Greg Kise]

Hi LyXers,

There was some discussion of making it possible to change cursor size  
in LyX2.0RC1 (especially needed for Mac). Was this done? And if so,  
how do I do it?


I have 300+ pages to edit and the one pixel cursor is making me bug- 
eyed ;-).


Thanks!
~greg

Re: Cursor Size in RC1?

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 23-3-2011 23:16, Greg Kise wrote:

Hi LyXers,

There was some discussion of making it possible to change cursor size 
in LyX2.0RC1 (especially needed for Mac). Was this done? And if so, 
how do I do it?


I have 300+ pages to edit and the one pixel cursor is making me 
bug-eyed ;-).


Thanks!
~greg

Yes, it is done. You can find it in 
Tools-Preferences-Editing-Control-Cursor Width.


However, you'll have to wait for RC2.

Vincent

Re: LyX Promotion

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-23, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Rob Oakes lyx-de...@oak-tree.us wrote:

 While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that
 Pavel hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they
 seem to think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically,
 a program which helps professors and students write a thesis or
 articles. (To be even more narrow, it seems like many think it is for
 math and physics people to write a thesis or article.)

IMV, handling formal, complex documents and math typesetting are actually
LyX main strenghts.

...

 To the extent that the stereotype is true, it may also be worth
 considering what the reasons are for this, and if it is reasonable to
 remove those reasons. Off-the-top of my head the following could be
 issues.

 1) Compile Errors.
...
 1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
 only occur if the user uses ERT.

This is an ongoing task (as LaTeX evolves and there are far too many ways
to create a compile error that cannot be foreseen). However, my
experience is that LaTeX compile errors are already treated as bugs, so
no change in policy is needed. Also there is usually fast help (hints on
thw right way or workarounds) when compile errors are reported on the
users list (even faster if a minimal example is given).


 2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
 and save word documents.

...

 3) Not WYSIWYG.  
...

 After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
 something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
 the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem; recompile PDF. This can
 take a while and having a WYSIWYG mode could make this process a
 factor of ten times faster.

Where do you expecte the speedup?

* Compiling a long, complex document can take considerable time.
  In WYSIWYG mode, this time would be needed with every edit action.
  
* A major speedup of the process is possible without WYSIWYG mode:

  The keyword is inverse search: clicking in the PDF viewer brings you
  to the right spot in the source. Getting this to work out of the box
  seems a worthwile task.
  
Günter

Re: Howto put itemize inside beamer block

[Paul Rubin]

drfridolin d.flannel at gmail.com writes:

 
 yes, but what is the Mac Os X equivalent for (M-S-right arrow)?
 

Check the menu (Edit  Increase list depth) and see if it gives the shortcut.

Paul

Re: Default label???

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:04:05 you wrote:
 On 03/22/2011 07:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com 
wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!
  
  First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert-Label on every
  one.
  
  At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
  docs (Customization and Functions, I think).
 
 How about alt-i, l? (Keyboard-based menu access.)
 
  But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often
  the first word is The. Is there a way to have the label default to
  the first five words?
  
  I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
  option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
  Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.
 
 Rainer's idea about this is OK, but it seems a lot of work for not much
 payoff.
 
 Richard

Hi Richard,

You'd have a new respect for the payoff after labeling 55 chapters with more 
than 3 words, and many start with The or A.

If Rainer's idea is too much work, an easier route could be made. Somewhere in 
the code is a constant, variable or magic number describing the max length in 
words of a default label. Just use that constant, variable or magic number to 
set a variable, and then override the variable based on an environment 
variable if the environment variable exists. I'd guess it would be about a ten 
minute change.

Then, if that environment variable solution becomes popular, at a later time 
the number of words can be set using a genuine configuration screen.

How does that sound?

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Wednesday 23 March 2011 09:54:29 you wrote:

 As for Word/OO--LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can
 LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip
 will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me
 that a more reasonable goal would be to have a Word-output function
 that strips all formatting except the semantically relevant items
 (emphasis, etc) and produce a clean Word file ready to be imported
 into a typesetting program or to be sent to Word-only people. 

Even better, in addition to exporting emphasis and noun, have it export the 
named but empty styles (environments and character styles) used in the doc, so 
the word doc has the styles and the text marked up with those styles. Then all 
that remains is to go in and modify those styles in MSWord or OOffice to 
produce the desired look. After all, modifying a style in Word is five 
minutes, not five hours.

This is a wonderful idea. Now if we can only go the other direction...

Thanks

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, John Kane wrote:


Logic splitting here but I would be coming, well am,  from an
SGML,OOo/AmiPro, FullWrite Professional background and there still seem to
be quite a few WordPerfect people still out there.

Agreed that the majority of people are likely to be Word or Latex but not
all,


  I'll throw in my opinion, too. It's free and well worth the price. About
15 years ago we had this same discussion about linux: how do we get more
people to defenestrate and adopt linux or the *BSDs. The consensus settled
down to: don't do anything. Those who want to work in a better, more secure
computing environment will do so. Those who want to
point-and-click/drag-and-drool, and not learn how to type at a CLI are not
candidates for the unices. And Microsoft is welcome to support them.

  It's the same with LyX/LaTeX. Not everyone cares about typeset output (but
put a page from OO.o Writer next to the same text from TeX and everyone can
see the difference), and not everyone wants to understand what's going on
underneath the hood. To use LyX you need to know LaTeX. For most of us, too,
we accept that we're not expert typographers, page layout gurus, or document
structure experts. So we leave those to the professionals and we just
produce our documents while focusing on content (the substantive) and
ignoring the superficial. Yes, we sometimes need to change appearances, but
we can do this very easily with the KOMA-script and Memoir classes. However,
many in the Microsoft Word world just don't care. And, frankly, I don't want
them to switch unless they're willing to take the time to learn a different
paradigm and understand what is underneath what they do.

  On may other open source software mail lists I see the struggles of those
who want to run the applications on Windoze. They don't understand the need
to know the tool since all their experience is in using tools that are
totally opaque to them because they are proprietary.

  I had this discussion earlier today with a colleague who does forest
analytics and he was explaining how limiting SAS is compared to R, but folks
still resist change because it means learning something new.

  The LyX-using community keeps growing. New users will find it just like
the rest of us did.

Rich

Only 2 options for output?

[Brian P . Rabbit]

Hi.

When I open LyX 2.00 rc1 (on a Mac 10.5),
I only see two options for output RTF and LyXHTML.
What happened to PDF, PS, and DVI?

Sincerely,

Currvita package--rename bibliography title

[Greg Kise]

Hi LyXers,

Hopefully this post saves you some time...

If you are using the CV package currvita and wish to rename or  
suppress the bibliography title, you must use this command in the  
preamble:


\renewcommand{\cvbibname}{NewName}

Currvita uses cvbibname instead of refname. So if you are trying to  
change the title using refname, you are in for a long evening.


Cheers!
~g

Re: LyX Promotion

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 22 March 2011 23:27:45 David L. Johnson wrote:
> On 03/22/2011 10:58 PM, John McCabe-Dansted wrote:

> > 3) Not WYSIWYG.  Normal users clearly expect WYSIWYG. WYSIWYG and
> > WYSIWYM don't need to be mutually exclusive.
> 
> They are to an extent, since WYSIWYG really means that all the document
> contains is what you see on the screen, without additional structure
> that properly formats it for a number of different export situations.

That's not true at all. OpenOffice, MSWord, Abiword and Kompozer are all 
WYSIWYG, and all of them can be used to write styles based content that gives 
structure to the document.

> 
> Think about writing a document in word.  You spend time getting the
> spacing right, the margins to look right, and align all the bits of text
> by hand.  

That's not true at all. In 1999, before knowing about LyX, I wrote a 317 page 
styles based book in MS Word, and you'd better believe the spacing, margins 
and alignment were all governed by styles and not by one-off formatting.

I think the LyX community does itself a grave disservice emphasizing this 
WYSIWYG vs WYSIWYM thing. If I were going to enumerate the good things about 
LyX, it would be something like this:

* It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based competitors.
* It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
* It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike others.
* The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
* Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and editing.
* It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
* It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

> 
> Ignoring the difficulty
> 
> > in implementing for a while, having a WYSIWYG mode would be great.
> > After the content is complete, I go though a cycle of: Notice
> > something weird with the line-breaking in the PDF, muck around with
> > the LyX source hoping it fixed the problem;
> 
> No.  TeX handles all that, don't ask users to spend effort in dealing
> with how lines break.  Write the paper, let TeX format it.  I would not
> want to worry about how it looks on the page while writing, that is a
> bad habit that you can avoid with LyX.

I have to disagree again. If there's something "weird with the line-breaking" 
in the PDF, then it will make the reader uncomfortable, and you can't just say 
"Let TeX handle it", because apparently it didn't, and the reader must be 
comfortable. Long words, URLs, monospaced type are just a few of the things 
that make funny line breaks in default-formatted LyX docs. And by funny line 
breaks I mean lines walking right off the page, which is a fatal error as far 
as the reader's concerned. Most such problems can be handled by \sloppy, but 
unless you want the whole doc sloppy, you must do that on a paragraph by 
paragraph basis.

When I began using LyX in 2001 and complained about the prodigious difficulty 
of making your own paragraph styles, some people told me "just use the 
defaults." Scuse me? LyX didn't provide a Warning style, and my readers needed 
one. It didn't provide a Story style, and my readers needed one. Saying to 
just use the defaults is a lot like telling a programmer to use standard 
cooked input on a keyboard driven menu system. Sure, it's easier for the 
programmer, but the user has to hit double the keystrokes, and he'll hate the 
end product.

I wrote an article about some of this ten years ago:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/lyx/bestandworst.htm

SteveT

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

> 1) Compile Errors. Normal users aren't used to dealing with compile
> errors and shouldn't be expected to fix them. Even I don't like
> dealing with compile errors all that much.
> 1a) Perhaps we could do some sort of bisect to determine where the
> error is (either over the file itself or some fine-grained history).
> 1b) Perhaps we could improve the latex export so that compile errors
> only occur if the user uses ERT. Particularly with beamer, this isn't
> always the case.

This is an important point, and one should evaluate if it is feasible
to go further into 'asking' LaTeX wheere the error is - it would
definitley help the users to provide a better understandable error
message *if* something fails.

ERT are a different issue - if you are using ERTs, you should know
what you are doing and out of the responsibility zone of LyX.

But beamer should be refined.

>
> 2) Compatibility with Word. Typical users expect to be able to open
> and save word documents.

What I would expect / not expect from a word document which is
exported from LyX is:

1) Have all the content (normally this is the case)

2) Not look like a LaTeX document - I want to use it to collaborate
with word users, so the actual layout (margins, ...) are irrelevant
for me. Sections should be using the style for header 1, subsections
header 2, ... SO that it *looks* MsWordish and easy for the word user
(which is not the case when it looks as a document created by LaTeX  -
start with the margins which look horrible in word but are brilliant
in the final pdf). This refers to paragraph styles - but character
styles should be exported as they are. So a mapping would be usefull:
"Section -> header 1" , ...

2a) I understand that one wants to have sometime the possibility to
export the LaTeX generated document - but that is a different story.

3) Contain the track changes from LyX

4) Contain the comments

To go from there, I would expect that, when importing the word
document I get back from my collaborators with track changes and
comments, that

1) Track changes are imported
2) Comments are imported
3) Paragraph styles are ignored, apart from the "mapped" default
styles (header 1-> Section)

My reasoning is, that in most cases, an export is NOT done to see the
final layout (for this I usually attach a pdf as well), but for
editorial comments.

Cheers,

Rainer

>
>
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Re: Default label???

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Liviu Andronic  wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt  
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!
>>
>> First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert->Label on every one.
>>
> At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
> docs (Customization and Functions, I think).
>
>
>> But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
>> first word is "The". Is there a way to have the label default to the first
>> five words?
>>
> I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
> option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
> Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.

Yes - I would suggest to file a feature request, that the naming of
the label is based on some variables ($W1 = first word, ...$W10) and
some kind of regular expression? This would make customisation much
easier.

Rainer

>
> Cheers
> Liviu
>
>
>> Or, perhaps give us a way to highlight the entire title and have
>> that govern the label? Right now highlighting is no different from putting 
>> the
>> cursor at the start, except that highlighting increases the risk of erasing
>> the highlighted text.
>>
>> I think that label insertion is common enough that it should be a fast
>> process, and people's priorities differ enough that the default number of
>> words should be changeable.
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
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>> http://www.recession-relief.US
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/stevelitt
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi Julien,

Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
> I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
So do I.

> Open splash.lyx
> Set "Use non-tex fonts"
I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
button / menu entry "Use non-tex fonts".
Where can you set this?

TIA

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Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
at Word users.

This has been done for R at
http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.

I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
documents.

A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

Graham



On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes  wrote:

> Dear Users and Developers,
>
> Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
> the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
> that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
> today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
> as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
>
> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
> think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
> which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
> more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
> write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
> incredibly small user base and use.
>
> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
> argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
> significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
> enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
> experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
> I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
> creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
> carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
> collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
> print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
> publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.
>
> Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
> Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
> clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
> writing.
>
> Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
> helpful?
>
> We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
> excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
> tackling some smaller projects first?
>
> For example:
>
> 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
> LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
> publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
> article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
> target audience.
>
> 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
> year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
> demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
> Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters (
> http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
> talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
>
> 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
> publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
> creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine (
> http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large Linux blogs (like
> OMG!Ubuntu, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/).
>
> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize LyX,
> but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional materials to help.
> Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number of tutorials for people,
> like Venom, who will be holding seminars or workshops? (I've also thought
> about teaching a design workshop through my local library, and these
> materials would help provide a curriculum.)
>
> The tutorials could address some of the finer points of using LyX that are
> not covered in the manuals. For example, how do you collaborate using
> version control? What is the process for creating custom, typeset
> publications with LyX and LaTeX? We could publish cohesive 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Rainer M Krug]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith  wrote:
> One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
> at Word users.
>
> This has been done for R at
> http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
> familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
> in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
> comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.
>
> I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
> couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
> document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
> via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
> and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
> documents.
>
> A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
the sense that:

Main Document in LyX -> export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) -> comment from Word users in document -> import into
LyX -> editiong in LyX -> export to doc / odt (including comments and
track changes) -> ... -> Finl editing in LyX

So the Word user would not be confronted with LyX.

But I think that this should be a separate topic.

Cheers,

Rainer

>
> Graham
>
>
>
> On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Users and Developers,
>>
>> Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
>> the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
>> that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
>> today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
>> as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
>>
>> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
>> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
>> think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
>> which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
>> more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
>> write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
>> incredibly small user base and use.
>>
>> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
>> argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
>> significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
>> enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
>> experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
>> I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
>> creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
>> carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
>> collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
>> print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
>> publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.
>>
>> Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
>> Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
>> clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
>> writing.
>>
>> Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
>> helpful?
>>
>> We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
>> excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
>> tackling some smaller projects first?
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
>> LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
>> publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
>> article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
>> target audience.
>>
>> 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
>> year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
>> demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
>> Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
>> (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
>> talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
>>
>> 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
>> publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
>> creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
>> (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of the large 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Graham Smith  wrote:
> One possible approach is to write an introduction to Lyx specifically aimed
> at Word users.
>
This makes a lot of sense to me. Most of all we probably need an
introduction for those coming from the world of Word (highest
priority) and, perhaps, one for those with a heavy LaTeX background.
(For the latter, we might simply recycle the existing Help > Tutorial
> LyX for LaTeX users, but give it much better visibility on the
lyx.org home page.)

If you give it some thought, the two are essentially the only ones
that make sense, because there aren't really other types of newcomers:
you are either already familiar with Word, or with LaTeX; else you
wouldn't be looking at LyX in the first place.

Liviu


> This has been done for R at
> http://chartsgraphs.wordpress.com/learnr-toolkit/ where the tutorials assume
> familiarity with Excel and demonstrate how things differ (or are the same)
> in R. There have also been similar things done for the GIS program Manifold,
> comparing it against the Industry standard products from ESRI.
>
> I had a couple of aborted attempts with Lyx, because, as a Word User, I just
> couldn't get my head around certain concepts (the concept of compiling a
> document probably being the main one). I then eventually came back to Lyx
> via SWeave in R, which introduced me to Latex, and then Lyx fell into place
> and I realised it gave me an easy interface to Latex for every day
> documents.
>
> A Lyx equivilant of the R tutorials would have been a great help.
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> On 22 March 2011 15:51, Rob Oakes  wrote:
>>
>> Dear Users and Developers,
>>
>> Thank you to both Pavel and Stefano for ollowing up with Google about why
>> the GSoC application was turned down. Is there any way that I could help in
>> that review? Stefano, will you be attending the IRC meeting to be held later
>> today? I think it's very important that we understand why LyX was rejected
>> as a mentoring organization, and I'd be willing to hep in any way necessary.
>>
>> While I have some ideas about why it may have happened, I think that Pavel
>> hit the nail on the head. When I talk to people about LyX, they seem to
>> think of it as a specialized academic writing tool. Basically, a program
>> which helps professors and students write a thesis or articles. (To be even
>> more narrow, it seems like many think it is for math and physics people to
>> write a thesis or article.) Which is to say, a specialized program with an
>> incredibly small user base and use.
>>
>> While that stereotype may be somewhat true (I don't think anyone would
>> argue that many of the developers and users are within academics), it
>> significantly understates LyX's appeal, especially if you consider the
>> enhancements available in the upcoming version. From my own personal
>> experience, I've found LyX to be the most capable pre-press/writing tool
>> I've ever come across. If I were a publishing company or involved in the
>> creation of any type of documentation, I would be looking  at LyX very
>> carefully. It's the only tool that I know that allows you to manage
>> collaboration, typesetting the final output, and target both electronic and
>> print from the same source. With the recent explosion of electronic
>> publishing and eBooks, I think that makes it *highly* relevant.
>>
>> Yet, I'm not sure that the wider community appreciates that. (Hearing
>> Google's rationale for rejecting the GSoC application will help somewhat in
>> clarifying how LyX is perceived.) Which really brings me to the reason I'm
>> writing.
>>
>> Would it be worth trying to promote LyX to people who might find it
>> helpful?
>>
>> We've talked for a long time about writing a LyX book, which is an
>> excellent and wonderful project. But what if we first tested those waters by
>> tackling some smaller projects first?
>>
>> For example:
>>
>> 1.) I just learned about a new open design magazine this morning, called
>> LibreGraphics magazine (http://libregraphicsmag.com/). The goal of the
>> publication is to help designers find tools for their work. It seems like an
>> article about using LyX for book design would be a natural fit for their
>> target audience.
>>
>> 2.) In similar vein, the LibreGraphics meeting is also coming up. This
>> year, it will be held in Montreal. LibreGraphics targets a similar
>> demographic, and it seems like such a presentation would be a natural fit.
>> Even better, they pay the travel expenses of presenters
>> (http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2011/). Might anyone be interested in
>> talking about using LyX to talk about book design, typography, or writing?
>>
>> 3.) It's been some time since Linux magazine or one of the other trade
>> publications published a general purpose article on LyX. Might it be worth
>> creating and submitting one? We might try and target Linux users magazine
>> (http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/), ZdNet, or one of 

Re: LyX Promotion

[Graham Smith]

Rainer,

I completely agree and this would be a very usefull document - but the
> issue is not to provide an easy transition from Word to LyX, but to
> enable an easy co-operation with Word or OO / LibreOffice users, in
> the sense that:
>

Ah OK, I obviously misunderstood the basis of the thread, I thought it was
to broaden the appeal/user base beyond the perceived Academic one (but I use
it in consultancy).

Graham

LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Hellmut Weber]

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex="pdflatex -shell-escape" to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?

Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu
>>tools >settings >paths >home (retranslated from my german version of
lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?

TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut

-- 
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Degenfeldstraße 2 tel   +49-89-3081172
D-80803 München-Schwabing mobil +49-172-8450321
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Re: xetex/luatex issues

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Hellmut Weber  wrote:
> Hi Julien,
>
> Am 23.03.2011 00:13, schrieb Julien Rioux:
>> I run Ubuntu 10.10 with texlive 2009
> So do I.
>
>> Open splash.lyx
>> Set "Use non-tex fonts"
> I wanteds to verify the situation you describe but I didn't find any
> button / menu entry "Use non-tex fonts".
> Where can you set this?
>
This is only present in 2.0 betas.
Liviu


> TIA
>
> Best regards
>
> Hellmut
>
> --
> Dr. Hellmut Weber         m...@hellmutweber.de
> Degenfeldstraße 2         tel   +49-89-3081172
> D-80803 München-Schwabing mobil +49-172-8450321
> please: No DOCs, no PPTs. why: tinyurl.com/cbgq
>



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Re: LyX Promotion

[george legge]

Steve, I like your list of good things about LyX;
but you have omitted what to me is the most significant:

Try using Word to compile a  long book with many illustrations, often with 3
graphics to a page.
Word has a shocking reputation for using a master document with many child
documents,
particularly one with many graphics. There are many warnings that Word will
crash and corrupt files.

So be it - I used OpenOffice. Result: as the book got longer, the OpenOffice
master crashed frequently.
Every time a child document was added or modified, the master document took
up to half an hour to update and was likely to crash in the process.
At least OpenOffice never corrupted the files; but it became impractical to
complete assembly of the book.

I carried the same files over to LyX, converting each child document.
Result: LyX has not crashed once and it assembles or updates the master
document into a pdf, with all the graphics inserted in less than 30 seconds.

I may have to negotiate with LyX on where I wish to place an image or what
ERT is needed.
But the worse that might happen is I get an error message.
All through the operations, LyX remains rock steady.

For long complex documents, LyX is the practical solution.

Cheers, George Legge



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

> If I were going to enumerate the good things about
> LyX, it would be something like this:
>
> * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
> competitors.
> * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
> * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
> others.
> * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
> * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
> editing.
> * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
> * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.
>

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
\bibliography{}

to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

Best of lucks.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann :
> Hi guys
>
> I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
> It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
> README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
> anybody here can help me.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sandro
>
> Hallo zusammen
>
> Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
> Hammer ist.
>
> Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische Zeitung" in 
> LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte ihn 
> hier http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
> heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
> ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
> einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
>
> Beste Grüsse
>
> Sandro

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Sandro Portmann]

Dear Julio

Thanks a lot for the help. Unfortunately, I'm getting an error message, when I 
want LyX to put out a PDF (as you can see in the attachment). The desired 
package is marked as installed, when I look in the TeX Live manager. Do you 
have a solution for that problem?

Regards

Sandro

Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

> Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
> you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
> http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex
> 
> After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
> TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
> install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
> manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
> you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
> lines:
> 
> \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
> \bibliography{}
> 
> to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
> environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).
> 
> Best of lucks.
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann :
>> Hi guys
>> 
>> I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
>> It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
>> README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
>> anybody here can help me.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Sandro
>> 
>> Hallo zusammen
>> 
>> Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
>> Hammer ist.
>> 
>> Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische Zeitung" 
>> in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
>> ihn hier 
>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
>> heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, kann 
>> ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden Ordner 
>> einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
>> 
>> Beste Grüsse
>> 
>> Sandro

Re: tutorials / slides for seminars or workshops (was: 'Re: LyX Promotion')

[Guenter Milde]

On 2011-03-22, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Rob Oakes  wrote:

>> 4.) It seems that there are people willing to help promote/evangelize
>> LyX, but I'm not sure we offer much in the way of promotional
>> materials to help. Would it be worthwhile to create a limited number
>> of tutorials for people, like Venom, who will be holding seminars or
>> workshops? (I've also thought about teaching a design workshop through
>> my local library, and these materials would help provide a
>> curriculum.)

> I will be holding a workshop on LyX to graduate types at my university
> and I'm not very sure where from to begin. Some ready materials
> (slides on the advantages of LyX/LaTeX over MS Word and the hord, step
> by step tutorials for creating your first document in LyX, using
> bibliography and fancier features) would be of enormous help.
>
> At the moment I plan to start with the 'Help > Documentation' in
> preparing my tutorial. Perhaps some of you have already passed through
> this experience and have some materials readily available? If so,
> please post them here.

There is already much material at http://wiki.lyx.org. Maybe a review
and re-organization might improve its "impact factor".

Günter

Re: LyX on xubuntu 10.10

[Julien Rioux]

On 23/03/2011 5:55 AM, Hellmut Weber wrote:

Hi list,
I'm using LyX 1.6.7 on xubuntu  10.10 and I'm as satisfied as for the
roughly ten years I'm using LyX now.

Actually I have a little problem:

I like to have the path to the document at the end of my documents.
So I've created a little python script giving me the end (because my
file system tree is quite deep) of the path, accordingly I have defined
an alias pdflatex="pdflatex -shell-escape" to permit the use of this
script from within the latex source of my document.

This doesn't work for lyx. I suppose lyx calls pdflatex using its
absolute path. To find the place where this default is set I've been
looking in ~/.lyx/preferences,  /usr/share/lyx, ~/.config/Lyx, ~/.gconf,
~/.gconfig with no result.

So, can somebody gice me a hint where the default paths for the
converter calls are hidden?



Your interpretation sounds correct. You can change the converter line in 
Tools > Settings > File Handling > Converters (look for LaTeX -> PDF 
(pdflatex))


but...

I would suggest to use \jobname in ERT if possible instead of calling a 
python script for this.



Similarly, I would like to use '.' as the default path for saving new
lyx documents. Changing the corresponding setting in the menu

tools>settings>paths>home (retranslated from my german version of

lyx) I can change that location but the change is not remembered when I
open lyx the next time.

Any ideas on this?



hmm, not sure. this might be a bug.


TIA

Happy LyXing
Hellmut




--
Julien

Re: Default label???

[Richard Heck]

On 03/22/2011 07:33 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM, Steve Litt  
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm now labelling all 57 chapters of my new book, and what a PITA!
>>
>> First of all, there's no hotkey -- I have to do Insert->Label on every one.
>>
> At least for this you can easily define a custom shortcut. See the
> docs (Customization and Functions, I think).
>
How about alt-i, l? (Keyboard-based menu access.)

>> But even worse, the label defaults to the first three words, and often the
>> first word is "The". Is there a way to have the label default to the first
>> five words?
>>
> I have no idea, but this might be hardcoded. You have always the
> option to change it in the sources and rebuild it for you needs.
> Otherwise perhaps file a bug report.
>
Rainer's idea about this is OK, but it seems a lot of work for not much
payoff.

Richard

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind <> it means you need to install package "name". Go
to your package manager and install "logreq".

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
 wrote:
> Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)
>
>
>
> Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:
>
>> Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
>> you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
>> http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex
>>
>> After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
>> TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
>> install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
>> manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
>> you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
>> lines:
>>
>> \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
>> \bibliography{}
>>
>> to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
>> environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).
>>
>> Best of lucks.
>> -
>> Julio Rojas
>> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann :
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 10.6.6. 
>>> It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded here 
>>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
>>> README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, that 
>>> anybody here can help me.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Sandro
>>>
>>> Hallo zusammen
>>>
>>> Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
>>> Hammer ist.
>>>
>>> Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische Zeitung" 
>>> in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die Reihe. Ich hatte 
>>> ihn hier 
>>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
>>> heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
>>> kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
>>> Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
>>>
>>> Beste Grüsse
>>>
>>> Sandro
>
>
>

Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
(with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
of errors. I deleted the packages found in
"~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex", rebuild MikTeX index and
it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:

! Undefined control sequence.
\hyper@linkurl ...tionraw >>}\relax \Hy@colorlink
  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

! Undefined control sequence.
\close@pdflink ->\Hy@endcolorlink
  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
l.54 \begin{document}

The control sequence at the end of the top line
of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.

I have installed "url", "breakurl" and "hyperref" (reported as not
installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.

Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
your bibliography in the preamble.

3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:

\bibliography{}

Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
"sudo texhash" in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
file in the texmf-tree.)

This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.

Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.

Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
 wrote:
> Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to make 
> a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with its 
> propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.
>
>
>
>
> Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:
>
>> Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind <> `name.sty' not found>> it means you need to install package "name". Go
>> to your package manager and install "logreq".
>>
>> Regards.
>> -
>> Julio Rojas
>> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
>>  wrote:
>>> Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:
>>>
 Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
 you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
 http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex

 After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
 TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
 install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
 manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
 you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
 lines:

 \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
 \bibliography{}

 to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
 environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).

 Best of lucks.
 -
 Julio Rojas
 jcredbe...@gmail.com



 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann :
> Hi guys
>
> I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
> 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have downloaded 
> here 
> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. The 
> README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I hope, 
> that anybody here can help me.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sandro
>
> Hallo zusammen
>
> Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
> Hammer ist.
>
> Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische 
> Zeitung" in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
> Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
> heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
> kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
> Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
>
> Beste Grüsse
>
> Sandro
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

Re: Problem integrating a bibtex-style

[Julio Rojas]

BTW, don't use white spaces or non-ascii characters in the path of
your bibliography/document (you have a folder called "Lektürekurs
Imerialismus"), or you'll have to escape them (not imposible, but only
more difficult to do). It is better to use underscores ("_") and
regular letters without diacritics.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Dear Sandro, follow the instructions in the wiki. You need to declare
> your bibliography in the preamble.
>
> 3- Load your bibliography database in the preamble:
>
> \bibliography{}
>
> Note that the bib file must either be located in your texmf-tree, or
> you must enter an absolute path in the command above. (Do not forget a
> "sudo texhash" in the terminal to tell latex where to find the new
> file in the texmf-tree.)
>
> This last note is of the uttermost importance, you have to define the
> ABSOLUTE PATH (complete path if you wish) of your bibliography.
>
> Also, remeber to put the bibliography in the lyx documente INSIDE a
> lyx note (yellow note). Otherwise you'll have more errors.
>
> Everything is in the wiki instructions, follow them. Good luck, keep
> trying, you'll learn a lot in the process. ;)
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Sandro Portmann
>  wrote:
>> Okay, but now I'm getting lots of error messages from LyX, when I try to 
>> make a PDF-file. For a better overview, I attached the whole directory with 
>> its propper .bib file. Hope you can help me out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 23.03.2011 um 14:05 schrieb Julio Rojas:
>>
>>> Dear Sandro. Every time you have an error of the kind <>> `name.sty' not found>> it means you need to install package "name". Go
>>> to your package manager and install "logreq".
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> -
>>> Julio Rojas
>>> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Sandro Portmann
>>>  wrote:
 Sry folks, I forgot the attachment... Here it is :)



 Am 23.03.2011 um 11:29 schrieb Julio Rojas:

> Dear Sandro, this should be pretty straightforward. First of all, have
> you installed and used biblatex before? If not:
> http://wiki.lyx.org/BibTeX/Biblatex
>
> After you have downloaded, installed and tested biblatex (check your
> TeXLive distribution's package manager), you should download and
> install your desired biblatex style (again, via TeXLive's package
> manager). I believe the README has all the instructions needed AFTER
> you have installed both, biblatex and the style. You should add the
> lines:
>
> \usepackage[style=historische-zeitschrift]{biblatex}
> \bibliography{}
>
> to your document's preamble, then add the bibliography in a note
> environment (so it is only used by Lyx and not latex).
>
> Best of lucks.
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> 2011/3/22 Sandro Portmann :
>> Hi guys
>>
>> I want to implement a new cite style into LyX 1.6.9 on my Mac OS X 
>> 10.6.6. It's the ¨Historische Zeitschrift¨ style, which I have 
>> downloaded here 
>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml. 
>> The README file, distributed on the page doesn't help me much, so I 
>> hope, that anybody here can help me.
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Sandro
>>
>> Hallo zusammen
>>
>> Ich schreibs hier nochmals auf Deutsch, da mein English nicht gerade der 
>> Hammer ist.
>>
>> Ich versuche nun schon seit längerem, den Zitierstil "Historische 
>> Zeitung" in LyX zu integrieren, und bringe es einfach nicht auf die 
>> Reihe. Ich hatte ihn hier 
>> http://biblatex.dominik-wassenhoven.de/historische-zeitschrift.shtml 
>> heruntergeladen. Mit der Instruktion, die in diesem File enthalten ist, 
>> kann ich leider nicht all zu viel anfangen, da ich den entsprechenden 
>> Ordner einfach nicht finde. Weiss jemand von euch, wie ich das hinkriege?
>>
>> Beste Grüsse
>>
>> Sandro



>>
>>
>>
>

Re: LyX Promotion

[stefano franchi]

> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Steve Litt 
> wrote:
>>
>> If I were going to enumerate the good things about
>> LyX, it would be something like this:
>>
>> * It typesets better and more consistently than its non-TeX based
>> competitors.
>> * It deletes unintentional double spaces and double newlines.
>> * It always calculates references, TOC and indices correctly, unlike
>> others.
>> * The black on tan is readable and soothing to the eyes for long workdays.
>> * Its simple native format invites programmatic document creation and
>> editing.
>> * It's free software, which protects your documents from vendor lock-in.
>> * It's an incredibly fast authoring environment.

I completely agree with Steve's points about LyX. In particular, I
think he is right in pointing out that "pure" LyX/LaTeX will almost
never produce a final "production quality" output. And by "production
quality" I mean a document typeset to the typographical standards used
and enforced by good publishing houses. LaTeX will almost get you
there---let's say 90% of the way---while Word/OO do not even try. But
that final 10% requires manual intervention and exact much more pain
than you'll ever encounter in Word/OO or other standard word
processors. I say this from my very recent experience as the co-editor
a 400+ book done with LyX and typeset to publisher's specs.

There are many reasons for this fact. One is font handling, which is
very poor in LaTeX. Things are getting better with LuaTeX/fonttspec,
but the process is still far from straightforward. A second problem is
page breaks, which is certainly not one of LaTeX's strengths "out of
the box." Not only page breaks need to be manually adjusted in the
final draft, getting correct grid-like layout with properly balanced
odd and even page is incredibly difficult, in my experience. A recent
article in TugBoat went into some details on this issue, and the
discussion continued on comp.text.tex. I don't know enough TeX to
really use the experimental algorithms that were proposed both in the
article and in the group, and my sense of the current state of the art
is that a better page-handling algorithm will have to wait for a
LuaTeX-based solution. There are other issues as well, some of which
Steve mentioned. And I am not even getting into the academia-only
problems of correctly typesetting  bibliography styles and index
layouts.

In short: LyX should not be promoted as the tool that gets you
"camera-ready" "production-quality" pdf files out of the box. It
won't. It will produce"near-production-quality" pdf that will need
quite a bit of tweaking and will require specialized skills in order
to be "perfect." Out of the box, LyX will produce better looking
documents  than your average word processor. In my experience, though,
most Word users do not really care, because what they get from their
word processor is good enough. In a sense, they are right: for
informal communication, a document typeset by Word is often
sufficient. And for formal communication, well, the professionals who
work for publishing houses and/or service bureaus  will take your Word
document and produce a professionally  typeset document with tools
like InDesign, Quark Xpress, etcetera.

(As some have pointed out, this situation may change as personally
produced e-books become a mass phenomenon. In my opinion, though, we
are not even close to that.)

On the other hand, LyX should be promoted, I think, as a more
productive environment. To put it crudely: LyX/LaTeX's weakness
(finessing formats is a royal pain) turns into a strength: you know
you do not want to mess with the format because it is a pain.
Therefore you focus on the content only. Thi sis obviously true for
long, complex documents, as many have pointed out. But it is also true
for shorter documents. I routinely write everything except letters in
LyX, from memos to lecture notes, to notes to myself. to articles,
etc. I am much more productive than I have ever been (and I have used
every single version of MS Word from 1.0/DOS forward, plus various
assorted alternatives).


As for Word/OO<-->LyX interoperability, that seems a chimera. How can
LyX ever be interoperable with Word, when even the LaTeX/LyX roundtrip
will not get you back the document you started from? It seems to me
that a more reasonable goal would be to have a Word-output function
that strips all formatting except the semantically relevant items
(emphasis, etc) and produce a clean Word file ready to be imported
into a typesetting program or to be sent to Word-only people. The
XHTML output filter in LyX 2.0 is almost there, I think.


The biggest hurdle to LyX's acceptance, I think, is that it is almost
impossible to cooperate with people not using it. Writing an article,
or a memo, or a report, grant application, with Word users is not
possible unless the LyX user takes the responsibility of maintaining a
LyX master file and inputting corrections and edits from pdf

Re: Howto put itemize inside beamer block

[drfridolin]

Paul A. Rubin wrote:
> 
> 
> Nest the itemize under the block (M-S-right arrow).
> 
> /Paul
> 

yes, but what is the Mac Os X equivalent for (M-S-right arrow)?

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Re: Weird behavior after Lyx 2.0 RC1 installation

[Julio Rojas]

I could backtrace the error to the use of "\href" in the definition of
"\email" in "moderncv.cls". Nonetheless, hyperref seems to be loaded
correctly.

-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Julio Rojas  wrote:
> Dear all, I have recently installed Lyx 2.0 RC1 for Windows using the
> not-blundle installer. After that, I can see that Miktex is behaving
> weirdly, as if it was not properly installed. Package manager tells me
> a lot of packages I frequently use are not installed. Lyx compilation
> (with both 1.6.9 and 2.0) works in some cases for packages reported as
> not installed and doesn't work for packages reported as installed. I
> have tried to compile a big document (my thesis) and it gave me plenty
> of errors. I deleted the packages found in
> "~User/AppData/Roaming/MiKTeX/2.8/tex/latex", rebuild MikTeX index and
> it compiled perfectly. Now, I'm trying to compile my CV (which
> compiled perfectly before 2.0 RC1) and the following error appears:
>
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \hyper@linkurl ...tionraw >>}\relax \Hy@colorlink
>                                                  \@urlcolor #1\close@pdflin...
> l.54 \begin{document}
>
> The control sequence at the end of the top line
> of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
> misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
> spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
> and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.
>
> ! Undefined control sequence.
> \close@pdflink ->\Hy@endcolorlink
>                                  \Hy@VerboseLinkStop \pdfendlink
> l.54 \begin{document}
>
> The control sequence at the end of the top line
> of your error message was never \def'ed. If you have
> misspelled it (e.g., `\hobx'), type `I' and the correct
> spelling (e.g., `I\hbox'). Otherwise just continue,
> and I'll forget about whatever was undefined.
>
> I have installed "url", "breakurl" and "hyperref" (reported as not
> installed by package manager), which seems to be culprits (even if
> there are no hyperlinks in my CV), to no avail.
>
> Has anybody a clue about what is happening here? Regards.
> -
> Julio Rojas
> jcredbe...@gmail.com
>

tengo problemas al trabajar con lyx

[irving rangel]

Buenas tardes, tengo una complicación al trabajar con lyx, al tratar de 
visualizar el archivo en DVI o PDF me marca los siguientes errores; Missing 
\endcsname inserted,Argument of \@firstoftwo has an extra }.Paragraph ended 
before \@firstoftwo was complete.
 
gracias de antemano espero me puedad ayudar, la verdad es que no se a que se 
deba esto.