Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok, Pavel.
With RC3, everything seems to be working with the translations of theorem 
environments to brazilian portuguese.
I'll let you know should anything untoward happens...
Thanks a lot for your effort!

On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
  Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
  sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
  modern dictionaries of pt_br):
  
  Assumption = Suposiç?o
  Fact = Fato
 
 Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
 just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Department of Physics
Institute of Physics and Mathematics
Federal University of Pelotas
BRAZIL
Registered linux user # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok, Pavel.
With RC3, everything seems to be working with the translations of theorem 
environments to brazilian portuguese.
I'll let you know should anything untoward happens...
Thanks a lot for your effort!

On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
  Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
  sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
  modern dictionaries of pt_br):
  
  Assumption = Suposiç?o
  Fact = Fato
 
 Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
 just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Department of Physics
Institute of Physics and Mathematics
Federal University of Pelotas
BRAZIL
Registered linux user # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok, Pavel.
With RC3, everything seems to be working with the translations of theorem 
environments to brazilian portuguese.
I'll let you know should anything untoward happens...
Thanks a lot for your effort!

On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
> > Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
> > sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
> > modern dictionaries of pt_br):
> > 
> > Assumption => Suposiç?o
> > Fact => Fato
> 
> Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
> just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
> pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Department of Physics
Institute of Physics and Mathematics
Federal University of Pelotas
BRAZIL
Registered linux user # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

 I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not
 translated in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

Yes. This was done intentionally, because these strings are not needed for 
most languages. Note that you can readd these translations manually to 
lib/layouttranslations if needed, and they will stay in the future. I can't 
judge whether this is a good idea, but it is technically possible.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Manveru]

2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

 note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
 strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

 pavel


I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 11/04/2011 4:17 PM, Manveru wrote:

2011/4/7 Pavel Sandasa...@lyx.org:

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel



I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?



Hi Manveru,

The statement simply means that any change for Polish should be made in 
the polish .po file. The layouttranslations file will be updated by 
automatically regenerating it after such changes to .po files.


The same can be said for any other language which has a .po file.

Suggestions for these translations are still welcome, I think.

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Manveru wrote:
 2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org:
  Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
  ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the 
  .po
  files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
  automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
 
  note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
  strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found 
  here:
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations
 
  pavel
 
 
 I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
 true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
 not be touched?

i'm not sure what you mean by the question. simply go through layouttranslation
file and check polish translations, additionally you can try 
localisaztion_test.lyx.

all fixes needs to be done in pl.po file.

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

 I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not
 translated in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

Yes. This was done intentionally, because these strings are not needed for 
most languages. Note that you can readd these translations manually to 
lib/layouttranslations if needed, and they will stay in the future. I can't 
judge whether this is a good idea, but it is technically possible.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Manveru]

2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

 note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
 strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
 http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

 pavel


I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 11/04/2011 4:17 PM, Manveru wrote:

2011/4/7 Pavel Sandasa...@lyx.org:

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel



I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?



Hi Manveru,

The statement simply means that any change for Polish should be made in 
the polish .po file. The layouttranslations file will be updated by 
automatically regenerating it after such changes to .po files.


The same can be said for any other language which has a .po file.

Suggestions for these translations are still welcome, I think.

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Manveru wrote:
 2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org:
  Pavel Sanda wrote:
  Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
  ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the 
  .po
  files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
  automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
 
  note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
  strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found 
  here:
  http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations
 
  pavel
 
 
 I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
 true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
 not be touched?

i'm not sure what you mean by the question. simply go through layouttranslation
file and check polish translations, additionally you can try 
localisaztion_test.lyx.

all fixes needs to be done in pl.po file.

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

> I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not
> translated in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

Yes. This was done intentionally, because these strings are not needed for 
most languages. Note that you can readd these translations manually to 
lib/layouttranslations if needed, and they will stay in the future. I can't 
judge whether this is a good idea, but it is technically possible.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Manveru]

2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda :
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
>> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
>> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
>> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
>
> note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
> strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations
>
> pavel
>

I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?

-- 
Manveru
jabber: manv...@manveru.pl
     gg: 1624001
   http://www.manveru.pl

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 11/04/2011 4:17 PM, Manveru wrote:

2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda:

Pavel Sanda wrote:

Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel



I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
not be touched?



Hi Manveru,

The statement simply means that any change for Polish should be made in 
the polish .po file. The layouttranslations file will be updated by 
automatically regenerating it after such changes to .po files.


The same can be said for any other language which has a .po file.

Suggestions for these translations are still welcome, I think.

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Manveru wrote:
> 2011/4/7 Pavel Sanda :
> > Pavel Sanda wrote:
> >> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
> >> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the 
> >> .po
> >> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
> >> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
> >
> > note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
> > strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found 
> > here:
> > http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations
> >
> > pavel
> >
> 
> I would like to know, if the statement at the beginning of the file is
> true, and if Polish language has its .po file the translations should
> not be touched?

i'm not sure what you mean by the question. simply go through layouttranslation
file and check polish translations, additionally you can try 
localisaztion_test.lyx.

all fixes needs to be done in pl.po file.

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok.  Will do, as soon as it goes to the yum repository.

As for the translation I proposed for Assumption, as I said before, 
assumpção no longer appears in modern dictionaries. Besides suposição, 
other possible translations could be pressuposto and hipótese, but this 
last word would relate better to hypothesis.


On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
  Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
  sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
  modern dictionaries of pt_br):
  
  Assumption = Suposiç?o
  Fact = Fato
 
 Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
 just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Fundação Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
Usuário de Linux registrado # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok.  Will do, as soon as it goes to the yum repository.

As for the translation I proposed for Assumption, as I said before, 
assumpção no longer appears in modern dictionaries. Besides suposição, 
other possible translations could be pressuposto and hipótese, but this 
last word would relate better to hypothesis.


On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
  Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
  sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
  modern dictionaries of pt_br):
  
  Assumption = Suposiç?o
  Fact = Fato
 
 Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
 just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Fundação Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
Usuário de Linux registrado # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

Ok.  Will do, as soon as it goes to the yum repository.

As for the translation I proposed for "Assumption", as I said before, 
"assumpção" no longer appears in modern dictionaries. Besides "suposição", 
other possible translations could be "pressuposto" and "hipótese", but this 
last word would relate better to "hypothesis".


On Friday 08 April 2011 12:35:13 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
> > Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should
> > sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in
> > modern dictionaries of pt_br):
> > 
> > Assumption => Suposiç?o
> > Fact => Fato
> 
> Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
> just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
> pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Fundação Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
Usuário de Linux registrado # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Pavel Sanda wrote:
Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations


Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated in 
frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


Here are the strings present in frenchb.ldf and in the first version of 
layouttranslations:


   \def\listfigurename{Table des figures}%
   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\figurename{{\scshape Figure}}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
   \def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, like 
the \scshape required by french typography.


On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in French 
babel about the translation of table:

   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
(\def\tablename{{\scshape Tableau}} would be better IMHO),
so I would have preferred LyX to overwrite babel defaults to make them 
consistent with the French terms used in LyX.


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
 Hello Pavel,

 I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated 
 in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx

\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

 Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, 
 like the \scshape required by french typography.

 On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in 
 French babel about the translation of table:

this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
 sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
 modern dictionaries of pt_br):
 
 Assumption = Suposiç?o
 Fact = Fato

Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 08/04/2011 8:33 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated
in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx


\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage,
like the \scshape required by french typography.

On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in
French babel about the translation of table:


this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel



Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Julien Rioux wrote:
 Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Julien Rioux wrote:

Actually, I think we should, eventually :)


why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?


I had an exchange about this issue with Daniel Flipo, the maintainer of French 
babel.


I asked him about the inconsitency, and more generally about the translation of 
'table' in French.


This is a bit complex, because there are two different translations - 'table' 
and 'tableau' which have not exactly the same meaning, table is more informal 
(one would not say e.g. 'tableau de matières' for toc), but in most situations 
where a table is a presentation of numerical results, the word 'tableau' is more 
appropriate.


He agreed with me about the inconsistency between 'Liste des tableaux' and 
'table' for each individual caption, but was reluctant to change it mainly 
because of the changes in old docs (overfull hboxes or more serious changes in 
the layout). However he changed the captions some time ago from Fig. and Tab. to 
Figure and Tableau, so he may be convinced.


He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and tableau, 
not to speak of possible flame wars.


Anyway, even in the present situation, the correct instructions to change the 
captions and more generally the layouttranslations strings should be provided in 
the LyX doc, in the line of the recent answer I made to an user on the lyx-fr 
list (sorry, this is in French):


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-fr@lists.lyx.org/msg01842.html

To conclude, currently LyX knows 'tableau' as the standard homogeneous 
translation for the table environment in the GUI, that's why I think it would be 
more correct to provide an homogeneous translation in the  LaTeX output, with 
accompanying appropriate explanations (in the French version).


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
 He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
 proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and 
 tableau, not to speak of possible flame wars.

so as i read it this change didn't went it into babel since its controversial?
i can't really judge the subtleties of french, but to to be synchronized with
babel as much as possible looks to me important...

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Pavel Sanda wrote:
Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations


Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated in 
frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


Here are the strings present in frenchb.ldf and in the first version of 
layouttranslations:


   \def\listfigurename{Table des figures}%
   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\figurename{{\scshape Figure}}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
   \def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, like 
the \scshape required by french typography.


On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in French 
babel about the translation of table:

   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
(\def\tablename{{\scshape Tableau}} would be better IMHO),
so I would have preferred LyX to overwrite babel defaults to make them 
consistent with the French terms used in LyX.


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
 Hello Pavel,

 I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated 
 in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx

\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

 Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, 
 like the \scshape required by french typography.

 On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in 
 French babel about the translation of table:

this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
 sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
 modern dictionaries of pt_br):
 
 Assumption = Suposiç?o
 Fact = Fato

Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 08/04/2011 8:33 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated
in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx


\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage,
like the \scshape required by french typography.

On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in
French babel about the translation of table:


this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel



Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Julien Rioux wrote:
 Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Julien Rioux wrote:

Actually, I think we should, eventually :)


why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?


I had an exchange about this issue with Daniel Flipo, the maintainer of French 
babel.


I asked him about the inconsitency, and more generally about the translation of 
'table' in French.


This is a bit complex, because there are two different translations - 'table' 
and 'tableau' which have not exactly the same meaning, table is more informal 
(one would not say e.g. 'tableau de matières' for toc), but in most situations 
where a table is a presentation of numerical results, the word 'tableau' is more 
appropriate.


He agreed with me about the inconsistency between 'Liste des tableaux' and 
'table' for each individual caption, but was reluctant to change it mainly 
because of the changes in old docs (overfull hboxes or more serious changes in 
the layout). However he changed the captions some time ago from Fig. and Tab. to 
Figure and Tableau, so he may be convinced.


He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and tableau, 
not to speak of possible flame wars.


Anyway, even in the present situation, the correct instructions to change the 
captions and more generally the layouttranslations strings should be provided in 
the LyX doc, in the line of the recent answer I made to an user on the lyx-fr 
list (sorry, this is in French):


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-fr@lists.lyx.org/msg01842.html

To conclude, currently LyX knows 'tableau' as the standard homogeneous 
translation for the table environment in the GUI, that's why I think it would be 
more correct to provide an homogeneous translation in the  LaTeX output, with 
accompanying appropriate explanations (in the French version).


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
 He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
 proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and 
 tableau, not to speak of possible flame wars.

so as i read it this change didn't went it into babel since its controversial?
i can't really judge the subtleties of french, but to to be synchronized with
babel as much as possible looks to me important...

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Pavel Sanda wrote:
Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.


note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations


Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated in 
frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


Here are the strings present in frenchb.ldf and in the first version of 
layouttranslations:


   \def\listfigurename{Table des figures}%
   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\figurename{{\scshape Figure}}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
   \def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, like 
the \scshape required by french typography.


On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in French 
babel about the translation of table:

   \def\listtablename{Liste des tableaux}%
   \def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
(\def\tablename{{\scshape Tableau}} would be better IMHO),
so I would have preferred LyX to overwrite babel defaults to make them 
consistent with the French terms used in LyX.


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
> Hello Pavel,
>
> I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated 
> in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.

do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx

>\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
>\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%
>
> Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage, 
> like the \scshape required by french typography.
>
> On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in 
> French babel about the translation of table:

this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
> Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
> sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
> modern dictionaries of pt_br):
> 
> Assumption => Suposiç?o
> Fact => Fato

Rudi, please check with RC3 that the output looks like you proposed.
just committed the changes in http://www.lyx.org/trac/changeset/38309 .
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julien Rioux]

On 08/04/2011 8:33 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:

Hello Pavel,

I don't unserstand what happened, a lot of strings which are not translated
in frenchb.ldf have disappeared.


do they really stopped working when you typeset the french document? i see those
strings in 
http://ftp.cvut.cz/tex-archive/macros/latex/required/babel/frenchb.dtx


\def\tablename{{\scshape Table}}%
\def\proofname{D\'emonstration}%

Btw, there are some peculiarities that the mechanism is unable to manage,
like the \scshape required by french typography.

On the other side, I would have liked to correct the inconsistence in
French babel about the translation of table:


this should be reported to french babel maintainer, we shouldn't start
our own translation branch...
pavel



Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

--
Julien

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Julien Rioux wrote:
> Actually, I think we should, eventually :)

why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Jean-Pierre Chrétien]

Pavel Sanda a écrit :

Julien Rioux wrote:

Actually, I think we should, eventually :)


why not fix it in french babel if its wrong?


I had an exchange about this issue with Daniel Flipo, the maintainer of French 
babel.


I asked him about the inconsitency, and more generally about the translation of 
'table' in French.


This is a bit complex, because there are two different translations - 'table' 
and 'tableau' which have not exactly the same meaning, table is more informal 
(one would not say e.g. 'tableau de matières' for toc), but in most situations 
where a table is a presentation of numerical results, the word 'tableau' is more 
appropriate.


He agreed with me about the inconsistency between 'Liste des tableaux' and 
'table' for each individual caption, but was reluctant to change it mainly 
because of the changes in old docs (overfull hboxes or more serious changes in 
the layout). However he changed the captions some time ago from Fig. and Tab. to 
Figure and Tableau, so he may be convinced.


He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and tableau, 
not to speak of possible flame wars.


Anyway, even in the present situation, the correct instructions to change the 
captions and more generally the layouttranslations strings should be provided in 
the LyX doc, in the line of the recent answer I made to an user on the lyx-fr 
list (sorry, this is in French):


http://www.mail-archive.com/lyx-fr@lists.lyx.org/msg01842.html

To conclude, currently LyX knows 'tableau' as the standard homogeneous 
translation for the table environment in the GUI, that's why I think it would be 
more correct to provide an homogeneous translation in the  LaTeX output, with 
accompanying appropriate explanations (in the French version).


--
Jean-Pierre

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Jean-Pierre Chrétien wrote:
> He suggested to raise the question on fr.comp.text.tex, but I declined the 
> proposal because I guess I will end wity 50/50 rating between table and 
> tableau, not to speak of possible flame wars.

so as i read it this change didn't went it into babel since its controversial?
i can't really judge the subtleties of french, but to to be synchronized with
babel as much as possible looks to me important...

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

note: we shrinked the list of lib/layouttranslations not to contain
strings which are translated by babel, the current version can be found here:
http://www.lyx.org/trac/browser/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/layouttranslations

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Georg Baum wrote:
  Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
  with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
  Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
  However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
  problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
  
  you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
  anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
  working for all AMS modules. Georg?
 
 These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
 did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
 through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
 support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
 have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
 probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

What should be done with this information?
Right now, I don't have time as well, but in a fortnight I could be somewhat 
freer and could lend a hand.
Alas, I never did this, so I don't know, for example, if only the files listed 
below need to be modified and how to do it...
Is there any template I could look at?

On Wednesday 06 April 2011 08:29:07 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Georg Baum wrote:
   Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure
   works with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which
   employs the Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
   However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
   
   problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
   you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous
   one... anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our
   mechanism is not working for all AMS modules. Georg?
  
  These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since
  they did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should
  go through all modules that have been added after the initial
  translation support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense.
  Unfortunately I have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned
  theorems will most probably not produce new strings for
  lib/layouttranslations.
 
 this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
 but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
 in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:
 
 theorems-ams-bytype.inc
 theorems-ams-bytype.module
 theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
 theorems-ams.module
 theorems-bytype.inc
 theorems-bytype.module
 theorems-chap-bytype.module
 theorems-chap.module
 theorems-named.module
 theorems-order.inc
 theorems-proof.inc
 theorems-refprefix.inc
 theorems-sec-bytype.module
 theorems-sec.module
 theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
 theorems-starred.module
 theorems-std.module
 
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354 - Campus UFPel
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
Usuário de Linux registrado # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/06/2011 07:29 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Georg Baum wrote:

Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

I have taken care of almost all of these. Obviously, they should be 
tested, but I don't have time to do that right now myself. Perhaps those 
who were having issues could have a look.


Richard

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 What should be done with this information?

nothing, Richard alredy started with fixing.
my question for you was about those Assumption  Fact.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Georg Baum wrote:
  Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
  with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
  Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
  However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
  problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
  
  you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
  anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
  working for all AMS modules. Georg?
 
 These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
 did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
 through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
 support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
 have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
 probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

What should be done with this information?
Right now, I don't have time as well, but in a fortnight I could be somewhat 
freer and could lend a hand.
Alas, I never did this, so I don't know, for example, if only the files listed 
below need to be modified and how to do it...
Is there any template I could look at?

On Wednesday 06 April 2011 08:29:07 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Georg Baum wrote:
   Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure
   works with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which
   employs the Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
   However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
   
   problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
   you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous
   one... anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our
   mechanism is not working for all AMS modules. Georg?
  
  These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since
  they did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should
  go through all modules that have been added after the initial
  translation support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense.
  Unfortunately I have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned
  theorems will most probably not produce new strings for
  lib/layouttranslations.
 
 this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
 but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
 in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:
 
 theorems-ams-bytype.inc
 theorems-ams-bytype.module
 theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
 theorems-ams.module
 theorems-bytype.inc
 theorems-bytype.module
 theorems-chap-bytype.module
 theorems-chap.module
 theorems-named.module
 theorems-order.inc
 theorems-proof.inc
 theorems-refprefix.inc
 theorems-sec-bytype.module
 theorems-sec.module
 theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
 theorems-starred.module
 theorems-std.module
 
 pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354 - Campus UFPel
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
Usuário de Linux registrado # 153741

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/06/2011 07:29 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Georg Baum wrote:

Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

I have taken care of almost all of these. Obviously, they should be 
tested, but I don't have time to do that right now myself. Perhaps those 
who were having issues could have a look.


Richard

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 What should be done with this information?

nothing, Richard alredy started with fixing.
my question for you was about those Assumption  Fact.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Georg Baum wrote:
> >> Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
> >> with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
> >> Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
> >> However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
> >> problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
> > 
> > you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
> > anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
> > working for all AMS modules. Georg?
> 
> These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
> did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
> through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
> support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
> have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
> probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Rudi Gaelzer]

What should be done with this information?
Right now, I don't have time as well, but in a fortnight I could be somewhat 
"freer" and could lend a hand.
Alas, I never did this, so I don't know, for example, if only the files listed 
below need to be modified and how to do it...
Is there any template I could look at?

On Wednesday 06 April 2011 08:29:07 Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Georg Baum wrote:
> > >> Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure
> > >> works with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which
> > >> employs the Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
> > >> However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
> > > 
> > >> problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
> > > you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous
> > > one... anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our
> > > mechanism is not working for all AMS modules. Georg?
> > 
> > These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since
> > they did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should
> > go through all modules that have been added after the initial
> > translation support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense.
> > Unfortunately I have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned
> > theorems will most probably not produce new strings for
> > lib/layouttranslations.
> 
> this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
> but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
> in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:
> 
> theorems-ams-bytype.inc
> theorems-ams-bytype.module
> theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
> theorems-ams.module
> theorems-bytype.inc
> theorems-bytype.module
> theorems-chap-bytype.module
> theorems-chap.module
> theorems-named.module
> theorems-order.inc
> theorems-proof.inc
> theorems-refprefix.inc
> theorems-sec-bytype.module
> theorems-sec.module
> theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
> theorems-starred.module
> theorems-std.module
> 
> pavel

-- 
Rudi Gaelzer
Departamento de Física
Instituto de Física e Matemática
Universidade Federal de Pelotas
Caixa Postal 354 - Campus UFPel
96001-970 Pelotas - RS
Fone: (53) 3275-7416
FAX:  (53) 3275-7343
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Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/06/2011 07:29 AM, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Georg Baum wrote:

Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.

this should go before next RC. i have no idea which modules need this
but for consitency at least the theorem ones? i went through theorems*
in layout and found those have no LangPreamble string:

theorems-ams-bytype.inc
theorems-ams-bytype.module
theorems-ams-extended-bytype.module
theorems-ams.module
theorems-bytype.inc
theorems-bytype.module
theorems-chap-bytype.module
theorems-chap.module
theorems-named.module
theorems-order.inc
theorems-proof.inc
theorems-refprefix.inc
theorems-sec-bytype.module
theorems-sec.module
theorems-starred-equivalents.inc
theorems-starred.module
theorems-std.module

I have taken care of almost all of these. Obviously, they should be 
tested, but I don't have time to do that right now myself. Perhaps those 
who were having issues could have a look.


Richard

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
> What should be done with this information?

nothing, Richard alredy started with fixing.
my question for you was about those Assumption & Fact.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Dear Pavel.
 Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
 with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
 Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
 However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
 problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
 
 you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
 anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
 working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

 Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Dear Pavel.
 Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
 with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
 Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
 However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
 problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
 
 you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
 anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
 working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Georg Baum]

Pavel Sanda wrote:

> Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
>> Dear Pavel.
>> Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works
>> with your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the
>> Theorems (AMS) and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
>> However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same
>> problems I already mentioned in my previous threads:
> 
> you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
> anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not
> working for all AMS modules. Georg?

These styles are missing the LangPreamble and BabelPreamble tags, since they 
did not exist yet when those tags were introduced. Somebody should go 
through all modules that have been added after the initial translation 
support (Feb. 2009) and add these tags where it makes sense. Unfortunately I 
have no time do so ATM. Fortunately the mentioned theorems will most 
probably not produce new strings for lib/layouttranslations.


Georg

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since I'm 
no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I hope 
it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 14 
years ago.



Kind regards,
Rick Blok

Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen

Algorithmen - Algoritmen.


 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's

List - Lijst.

For some of the others, I never have seen them in English, so I think 
any translation will be ok with me.


Vincent

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/04/2011 04:27 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct 
since I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in 
English, but I hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 
14 years ago.


If we need help with this, I know someone in Utrecht who would probably 
be happy to look at these.


Richard




Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen

Algorithmen - Algoritmen.


 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's

List - Lijst.

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Dear Pavel.
 Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works with 
 your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the Theorems 
 (AMS) 
 and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
 However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same problems 
 I 
 already mentioned in my previous threads:
 
 http://marc.info/?l=lyx-usersm=129906928518220w=2
 http://marc.info/?l=lyx-develm=129908385103894w=2
 
 Several environments are not translated neither at the GUI nor at the PDF 
 output.
 
 I've modified your template to pt_br and replaced the standard AMS modules by 
 the numbered AMS modules and attached both the lyx and the pdf files, so that 
 you can compare your output with mine.

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not working
for all AMS modules. Georg?


 Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
 sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
 modern dictionaries of pt_br):
 
 Assumption = Suposiç?o
 Fact = Fato

this is some speculative translation or clear case? (i really can't judge this 
:)

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since I'm 
no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I hope 
it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 14 
years ago.



Kind regards,
Rick Blok

Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen

Algorithmen - Algoritmen.


 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's

List - Lijst.

For some of the others, I never have seen them in English, so I think 
any translation will be ok with me.


Vincent

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/04/2011 04:27 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct 
since I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in 
English, but I hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 
14 years ago.


If we need help with this, I know someone in Utrecht who would probably 
be happy to look at these.


Richard




Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen

Algorithmen - Algoritmen.


 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's

List - Lijst.

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
 Dear Pavel.
 Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works with 
 your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the Theorems 
 (AMS) 
 and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
 However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same problems 
 I 
 already mentioned in my previous threads:
 
 http://marc.info/?l=lyx-usersm=129906928518220w=2
 http://marc.info/?l=lyx-develm=129908385103894w=2
 
 Several environments are not translated neither at the GUI nor at the PDF 
 output.
 
 I've modified your template to pt_br and replaced the standard AMS modules by 
 the numbered AMS modules and attached both the lyx and the pdf files, so that 
 you can compare your output with mine.

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not working
for all AMS modules. Georg?


 Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
 sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
 modern dictionaries of pt_br):
 
 Assumption = Suposiç?o
 Fact = Fato

this is some speculative translation or clear case? (i really can't judge this 
:)

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Vincent van Ravesteijn]

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since I'm 
no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I hope 
it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 14 
years ago.



Kind regards,
Rick Blok

Translation nl
 "Acknowledgement" "Erkenning"
 "Algorithm" "Algoritme"
 "Assumption" "Aanname"
 "Axiom" "Axioma"
 "Case" "Casus"
 "Chart" "Grafiek"
 "Claim" "Claim"
 "Conclusion" "Conclusie"
 "Condition" "Conditie"
 "Conjecture" "Conjectuur"
 "Corollary" "Corollary"
 "Criterion" "Criterium"
 "Definition" "Definitie"
 "Example" "Voorbeeld"
 "Exercise" "Oefening"
 "Fact" "Feit"
 "Figure" "Figuur"
 "Graph" "Grafiek"
 "Lemma" "Lemma"
 "List of Algorithms" "Lijst van Algorithmen"

Algorithmen -> Algoritmen.


 "List of Charts" "Lijst van Grafieken"
 "List of Figures" "Lijst van Figuren"
 "List of Graphs" "Lijst van Grafieken"
 "List of Schemes" "List van Schema's"

List -> Lijst.

For some of the others, I never have seen them in English, so I think 
any translation will be ok with me.


Vincent

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Richard Heck]

On 04/04/2011 04:27 AM, Vincent van Ravesteijn wrote:

On 31-3-2011 10:07, Pavel Sanda wrote:

Dear Pavel,

I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct 
since I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in 
English, but I hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

I'm Dutch, and I read mathematical texts, but I never read a 
mathematical text in Dutch since the first year's course on math some 
14 years ago.


If we need help with this, I know someone in Utrecht who would probably 
be happy to look at these.


Richard




Translation nl
 "Acknowledgement" "Erkenning"
 "Algorithm" "Algoritme"
 "Assumption" "Aanname"
 "Axiom" "Axioma"
 "Case" "Casus"
 "Chart" "Grafiek"
 "Claim" "Claim"
 "Conclusion" "Conclusie"
 "Condition" "Conditie"
 "Conjecture" "Conjectuur"
 "Corollary" "Corollary"
 "Criterion" "Criterium"
 "Definition" "Definitie"
 "Example" "Voorbeeld"
 "Exercise" "Oefening"
 "Fact" "Feit"
 "Figure" "Figuur"
 "Graph" "Grafiek"
 "Lemma" "Lemma"
 "List of Algorithms" "Lijst van Algorithmen"

Algorithmen -> Algoritmen.


 "List of Charts" "Lijst van Grafieken"
 "List of Figures" "Lijst van Figuren"
 "List of Graphs" "Lijst van Grafieken"
 "List of Schemes" "List van Schema's"

List -> Lijst.

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Rudi Gaelzer wrote:
> Dear Pavel.
> Concerning the translation to brazilian portuguese, your structure works with 
> your template file (localization_test_1.lyx), which employs the Theorems 
> (AMS) 
> and Theorems (AMS-Extended ) modules.
> However, when I try the numbered by type modules, I detect the same problems 
> I 
> already mentioned in my previous threads:
> 
> http://marc.info/?l=lyx-users=129906928518220=2
> http://marc.info/?l=lyx-devel=129908385103894=2
> 
> Several environments are not translated neither at the GUI nor at the PDF 
> output.
> 
> I've modified your template to pt_br and replaced the standard AMS modules by 
> the numbered AMS modules and attached both the lyx and the pdf files, so that 
> you can compare your output with mine.

you attached wrong document, because its identical to the previous one...
anyway i can reproduce your problem. it seems that our mechanism is not working
for all AMS modules. Georg?


> Moreover, I would like to suggest some different translations that should 
> sound better in brazilian portuguese (in fact, they don't even appear in 
> modern dictionaries of pt_br):
> 
> Assumption => Suposiç?o
> Fact => Fato

this is some speculative translation or clear case? (i really can't judge this 
:)

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

I prefer Marco myself.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/4/1 Ignacio García ignacio.gmora...@gmail.com:
 Pavel Sanda sanda at lyx.org writes:

 compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.

 and Julio Rojas wrote

 I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
 well as in his work with Babel.

 Well, then we must change the translation of (Insert) 'box'

 What do you propose? Spanish users... please...
 Abiword: Caja de texto
 LibreOffice: Marco (as in Word, I think)

 Thanks
 Ignacio García

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

I prefer Marco myself.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/4/1 Ignacio García ignacio.gmora...@gmail.com:
 Pavel Sanda sanda at lyx.org writes:

 compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.

 and Julio Rojas wrote

 I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
 well as in his work with Babel.

 Well, then we must change the translation of (Insert) 'box'

 What do you propose? Spanish users... please...
 Abiword: Caja de texto
 LibreOffice: Marco (as in Word, I think)

 Thanks
 Ignacio García

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

I prefer "Marco" myself.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/4/1 Ignacio García :
> Pavel Sanda  lyx.org> writes:
>
>> compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.
>
> and Julio Rojas wrote
>
>> I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
>> well as in his work with Babel.
>
> Well, then we must change the translation of (Insert>) 'box'
>
> What do you propose? Spanish users... please...
> Abiword: "Caja de texto"
> LibreOffice: "Marco" (as in Word, I think)
>
> Thanks
> Ignacio García
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

Table = Cuadro
Tableau = Tabla

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

 i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
 of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx

 it will be present in later lyx releases as well.

 pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

 Dear Pavel,
 
 I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since 
 I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I 
 hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

 Kind regards,
 Rick Blok
 
 Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen
 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's
 List of Tableaux Lijst van Tableaus
 List of Tables Lijst van Tabellen
 MarginFigure KantlijnFiguur
 MarginTable KantlijnTabel
 Notation Notatie
 Note Notitie
 Planotable Planotable
 Plate Plaat
 Problem Probleem
 Proof Bewijs
 Proposition Voorstel
 Question Vraag
 Remark Opmerking
 Scheme Schema
 Summary Samenvatting
 Table Tabel
 Tableau Tableau
 Theorem Theorem
 End
 

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Ignacio García]

Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011

 Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
 not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

 Table = Cuadro
 Tableau = Tabla

I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
(http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
However:
The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,

abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
is tabla.

Tabla was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding

translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)

If table=cuadro, then box=cuadro becomes confused
and we need to change it, (maybe marco?)

Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,

spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

In regard to tableau, defines some specific environments
useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)

In these contexts, tableaux is used as such in Spanish articles.
Therefore, I don't think that Tabla is accurate in this case.

Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.

Regards
Ignacio García

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Dear Pavel and all,

The French translation are mostly OK, but I'm puzzled by these two lines
(especially the first):

List of Tableaux Liste des tableaux (TO)
List of Tables Liste des tableaux

Why not simply tableaux - tableaux / tables - tables, since both are
French names as well?

Also:

Acknowledgement Remerciement

In French, Remerciements is almost always plural, I think.

Just my 2 cents...

Regards - Daniel Clément

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Dear translators,
 
 one of the new features in the upcoming LyX 2.0 is automatic translation
 of math environments strings (and some floats) to the localized form.
 For example Exercise becomes Aufgabe in the output of the documents
 with language set to german.
 
 In the attached file you find a list of translations which will appear in
 exported documents, not only in the GUI. These translations will be fixed for
 the 2.0.x release cycle, since the contents of documents must not change
 between minor releases. It is still possible to add or change these
 translations in .po files as usual, but these updates will only be used for 
 the
 GUI and not appear in the file lib/layouttranslations, which is used for the
 exported translations.
 
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
 
 Similarly, if you are not translator (yet) but interested user, which
 would like to have this feature working in your language, let me know
 the fixes or new translations. Its about 30 items, so nothing which
 expects tons of your time.
 
 Pavel

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Ignacio, I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
well as in his work with Babel. My work will thank you. :D

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/31 Ignacio García ignacio.gmora...@gmail.com:
 Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011

 Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
 not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

 Table = Cuadro
 Tableau = Tabla

 I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
 (http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
 However:
 The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,


 abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
 is tabla.

 Tabla was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
 attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding


 translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)

 If table=cuadro, then box=cuadro becomes confused
 and we need to change it, (maybe marco?)

 Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,


 spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

 In regard to tableau, defines some specific environments
 useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)


 In these contexts, tableaux is used as such in Spanish articles.
 Therefore, I don't think that Tabla is accurate in this case.

 Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.



 Regards
 Ignacio García

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Ignacio García wrote:
 Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,
 spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

Table = Cuadro
Tableau = Tabla

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Pavel Sanda sa...@lyx.org wrote:
 Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

 i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
 of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:

 http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx

 it will be present in later lyx releases as well.

 pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

 Dear Pavel,
 
 I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since 
 I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I 
 hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

 Kind regards,
 Rick Blok
 
 Translation nl
 Acknowledgement Erkenning
 Algorithm Algoritme
 Assumption Aanname
 Axiom Axioma
 Case Casus
 Chart Grafiek
 Claim Claim
 Conclusion Conclusie
 Condition Conditie
 Conjecture Conjectuur
 Corollary Corollary
 Criterion Criterium
 Definition Definitie
 Example Voorbeeld
 Exercise Oefening
 Fact Feit
 Figure Figuur
 Graph Grafiek
 Lemma Lemma
 List of Algorithms Lijst van Algorithmen
 List of Charts Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Figures Lijst van Figuren
 List of Graphs Lijst van Grafieken
 List of Schemes List van Schema's
 List of Tableaux Lijst van Tableaus
 List of Tables Lijst van Tabellen
 MarginFigure KantlijnFiguur
 MarginTable KantlijnTabel
 Notation Notatie
 Note Notitie
 Planotable Planotable
 Plate Plaat
 Problem Probleem
 Proof Bewijs
 Proposition Voorstel
 Question Vraag
 Remark Opmerking
 Scheme Schema
 Summary Samenvatting
 Table Tabel
 Tableau Tableau
 Theorem Theorem
 End
 

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Ignacio García]

Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011

 Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
 not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

 Table = Cuadro
 Tableau = Tabla

I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
(http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
However:
The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,

abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
is tabla.

Tabla was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding

translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)

If table=cuadro, then box=cuadro becomes confused
and we need to change it, (maybe marco?)

Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,

spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

In regard to tableau, defines some specific environments
useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)

In these contexts, tableaux is used as such in Spanish articles.
Therefore, I don't think that Tabla is accurate in this case.

Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.

Regards
Ignacio García

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Dear Pavel and all,

The French translation are mostly OK, but I'm puzzled by these two lines
(especially the first):

List of Tableaux Liste des tableaux (TO)
List of Tables Liste des tableaux

Why not simply tableaux - tableaux / tables - tables, since both are
French names as well?

Also:

Acknowledgement Remerciement

In French, Remerciements is almost always plural, I think.

Just my 2 cents...

Regards - Daniel Clément

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Dear translators,
 
 one of the new features in the upcoming LyX 2.0 is automatic translation
 of math environments strings (and some floats) to the localized form.
 For example Exercise becomes Aufgabe in the output of the documents
 with language set to german.
 
 In the attached file you find a list of translations which will appear in
 exported documents, not only in the GUI. These translations will be fixed for
 the 2.0.x release cycle, since the contents of documents must not change
 between minor releases. It is still possible to add or change these
 translations in .po files as usual, but these updates will only be used for 
 the
 GUI and not appear in the file lib/layouttranslations, which is used for the
 exported translations.
 
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
 
 Similarly, if you are not translator (yet) but interested user, which
 would like to have this feature working in your language, let me know
 the fixes or new translations. Its about 30 items, so nothing which
 expects tons of your time.
 
 Pavel

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Ignacio, I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
well as in his work with Babel. My work will thank you. :D

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/31 Ignacio García ignacio.gmora...@gmail.com:
 Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011

 Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment Table should be Cuadro,
 not Tabla, which is the environment Tableau. So, changes:

 Table = Cuadro
 Tableau = Tabla

 I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
 (http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
 However:
 The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,


 abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
 is tabla.

 Tabla was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
 attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding


 translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)

 If table=cuadro, then box=cuadro becomes confused
 and we need to change it, (maybe marco?)

 Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,


 spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

 In regard to tableau, defines some specific environments
 useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)


 In these contexts, tableaux is used as such in Spanish articles.
 Therefore, I don't think that Tabla is accurate in this case.

 Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.



 Regards
 Ignacio García

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Ignacio García wrote:
 Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,
 spanish-babel uses cuadro for table.

compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment "Table" should be "Cuadro",
not "Tabla", which is the environment "Tableau". So, changes:

Table => Cuadro
Tableau => Tabla

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 2:40 AM, Pavel Sanda  wrote:
> Pavel Sanda wrote:
>> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and
>> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po
>> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated
>> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
>
> i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
> of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:
>
> http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx
>
> it will be present in later lyx releases as well.
>
> pavel
>

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

> Dear Pavel,
> 
> I've translated the Dutch list. I'm not sure if they are all correct since 
> I'm no mathematician, and the math that I do do is usually in English, but I 
> hope it helps.

I believe Vincent have seen some Dutch math text and can check it?

> Kind regards,
> Rick Blok
> 
> Translation nl
> "Acknowledgement" "Erkenning"
> "Algorithm" "Algoritme"
> "Assumption" "Aanname"
> "Axiom" "Axioma"
> "Case" "Casus"
> "Chart" "Grafiek"
> "Claim" "Claim"
> "Conclusion" "Conclusie"
> "Condition" "Conditie"
> "Conjecture" "Conjectuur"
> "Corollary" "Corollary"
> "Criterion" "Criterium"
> "Definition" "Definitie"
> "Example" "Voorbeeld"
> "Exercise" "Oefening"
> "Fact" "Feit"
> "Figure" "Figuur"
> "Graph" "Grafiek"
> "Lemma" "Lemma"
> "List of Algorithms" "Lijst van Algorithmen"
> "List of Charts" "Lijst van Grafieken"
> "List of Figures" "Lijst van Figuren"
> "List of Graphs" "Lijst van Grafieken"
> "List of Schemes" "List van Schema's"
> "List of Tableaux" "Lijst van Tableaus"
> "List of Tables" "Lijst van Tabellen"
> "MarginFigure" "KantlijnFiguur"
> "MarginTable" "KantlijnTabel"
> "Notation" "Notatie"
> "Note" "Notitie"
> "Planotable" "Planotable"
> "Plate" "Plaat"
> "Problem" "Probleem"
> "Proof" "Bewijs"
> "Proposition" "Voorstel"
> "Question" "Vraag"
> "Remark" "Opmerking"
> "Scheme" "Schema"
> "Summary" "Samenvatting"
> "Table" "Tabel"
> "Tableau" "Tableau"
> "Theorem" "Theorem"
> End
> 

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Ignacio García]

Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011

> Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment "Table" should be "Cuadro",
> not "Tabla", which is the environment "Tableau". So, changes:

> Table => Cuadro
> Tableau => Tabla

I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
(http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
However:
The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,

abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
is "tabla".

"Tabla" was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding

translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)

If "table=cuadro", then "box=cuadro" becomes confused
and we need to change it, (maybe "marco"?)

Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,

spanish-babel uses "cuadro" for table.

In regard to "tableau", defines some specific environments
useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)

In these contexts, "tableaux" is used as such in Spanish articles.
Therefore, I don't think that "Tabla" is accurate in this case.

Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.

Regards
Ignacio García

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Dear Pavel and all,

The French translation are mostly OK, but I'm puzzled by these two lines
(especially the first):

"List of Tableaux" "Liste des tableaux (TO)"
"List of Tables" "Liste des tableaux"

Why not simply tableaux -> tableaux / tables -> tables, since both are
French names as well?

Also:

"Acknowledgement" "Remerciement"

In French, "Remerciements" is almost always plural, I think.

Just my 2 cents...

Regards - Daniel Clément

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Dear translators,
> 
> one of the new features in the upcoming LyX 2.0 is automatic translation
> of math environments strings (and some floats) to the localized form.
> For example "Exercise" becomes "Aufgabe" in the output of the documents
> with language set to german.
> 
> In the attached file you find a list of translations which will appear in
> exported documents, not only in the GUI. These translations will be fixed for
> the 2.0.x release cycle, since the contents of documents must not change
> between minor releases. It is still possible to add or change these
> translations in .po files as usual, but these updates will only be used for 
> the
> GUI and not appear in the file lib/layouttranslations, which is used for the
> exported translations.
> 
> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.
> 
> Similarly, if you are not translator (yet) but interested user, which
> would like to have this feature working in your language, let me know
> the fixes or new translations. Its about 30 items, so nothing which
> expects tons of your time.
> 
> Pavel

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Julio Rojas]

Dear Ignacio, I believe you should follow Javier Bezos' article as
well as in his work with Babel. My work will thank you. :D

Regards.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com



2011/3/31 Ignacio García :
> Julio Rojas wrote, Thu, 31 Mar 2011
>
>> Dear Pavel, in Spanish, the environment "Table" should be "Cuadro",
>> not "Tabla", which is the environment "Tableau". So, changes:
>
>> Table => Cuadro
>> Tableau => Tabla
>
> I agree, it's absolutely right in tight Spanish,
> (http://www.tex-tipografia.com/spanish2.html)
> However:
> The usual practice in well known word processors (libreoffice,
>
>
> abiword, word...), and then the name generally used by the people,
> is "tabla".
>
> "Tabla" was the used term when I started (~2007) and I have
> attempted to keep on the translations made by the preceding
>
>
> translators (yes, this is a weak argument...)
>
> If "table=cuadro", then "box=cuadro" becomes confused
> and we need to change it, (maybe "marco"?)
>
> Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,
>
>
> spanish-babel uses "cuadro" for table.
>
> In regard to "tableau", defines some specific environments
> useful for linguistic, logics ... (linguistics.module)
>  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_analytic_tableaux)
>
>
> In these contexts, "tableaux" is used as such in Spanish articles.
> Therefore, I don't think that "Tabla" is accurate in this case.
>
> Of course, suggestions or ideas about these issues are welcome, please.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Ignacio García

Re: Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Ignacio García wrote:
> Otherwise, when the document is exported via latex,
> spanish-babel uses "cuadro" for table.

compatibility with babel seems to me very important point.
pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:

http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx

it will be present in later lyx releases as well.

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
 Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
 ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
 files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
 automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:

http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx

it will be present in later lyx releases as well.

pavel

Re: Translations of Math environments in LyX output - last call for LyX 2.0

[Pavel Sanda]

Pavel Sanda wrote:
> Please go through all entries in the attached file for your language and 
> ensure that they are correctly translated. Make any needed update in the .po 
> files as usual. The lib/layouttranslations file will be regenerated 
> automatically from the .po files before the final 2.0.0 release.

i made a simple document, which can help you to test the current state
of support for your favourite language. the file can be downloaded at:

http://www.lyx.org/trac/export/38172/lyx-devel/trunk/lib/examples/localization_test.lyx

it will be present in later lyx releases as well.

pavel