Re: [Mac-access]: Iphone 5 or 4S

[Mary Otten]

Jude,
I'm not sure what you mean when you say the battery life on the 5S is not good. 
I have a 5S, and my battery last me all day with pretty heavy use. Also, I have 
a for S, and the speed of the 5S is noticeably better than that of the 4s. So, 
I don't agree with you about them being no better than each other depending on 
the memory only. My experience simply does not bear that out.
I also don't know what you mean when you say that you can't use voiceover with 
a Bluetooth keyboard. Of course you can. If you couldn't, how would you know 
where you were navigating?
Mary


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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Jude DaShiell  wrote:
> 
> You presume wrong so far as bluetooth keyboards are concerned.  You can use 
> VoiceOver or a bluetooth keyboard but not both at the same time and usually 
> when you open an edit field the bluetooth keyboard pairing wins.
> The 4s will be at end of life when ios10 comes out.
> The whole 5 series is no better than the 4s you have unless the 5 series 
> phone you get has more memory in it than your 4s.  Battery life is no good 
> until you get a 6+ and that is the case since the 6+ battery is larger.
> 
> 
> 
> -- Twitter: JudeDaShiell
> 
> 
>> On Mon, 13 Apr 2015, Judy Pryor wrote:
>> 
>> I have been offered an iPhone 5 for ?80 is it much better than my 4S. Would 
>> it be better to find a 5S.   I also wondered which are the best BT keyboards 
>> to work with an iPhone and I presume the problems with iOS
>> 8  etc have been sorted out.
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Re: [Mac-access]: Where to find complete list of keystrokes?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Phil,
I am not the original person who posted this question. But it seems to me, that 
if you have found a system that helps somebody make sense of the Mac keyboard 
commands and how they are structured, it would be way, way more helpful if you 
would simply explain the system, which might help other people including me, 
rather than telling them to see if they can figure it out for themselves. This 
is not a fifth-grade classroom. It is a list where we try to help each other. 
Not everybody has the sort of analytical mind which will help them figure out 
this system. So, I would really love it if you could actually post what you 
have figured out, and see if if it is helpful. Thank you so much. 

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> On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:42 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> Ann,
> The VoiceOver getting started manual, accessible through the VoiceOver help 
> menu (VO+H, contains an appendix of all voice over commands and gestures.
> The manual is an excellent resource, covering every aspect of VoiceOver in an 
> exhaustive manner. When I got my first mac I spent a lot of time browsing 
> through that manual and especially the commands appendix (appendix A). 
> There’s a systematic design to the keyboard command structure — see if you 
> can discover it.
> Finally, after reading through the manual, the built-in keyboard help (VO+K) 
> can act as a quick reference for recalling commands.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 24, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
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>> I am looking for two complete lists of keystrokes: One for VoiceOver with 
>> Yosemite and one for Yosemite itself.  I have been to 
>> apple.com/accessibility and not found either, but I am probably a poor 
>> searcher.  Please can someone give me directions??, or perhaps direct links?
>> 
>> Much thanks,
>> 
>> Ann
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[Mac-access]: AppleTV question

[Mary Otten]

I have one of the original Apple TVs with voiceover. I have a problem. It is 
connected via HDMI to our large TV. It works fine through the TV speakers.when 
we switch to the digital optical out on the TV where a sound bar is connected, 
voiceover becomes very choppy, to the point where it is really not usable. The 
regular sound output via the AppleTV movies, etc., is wonderful through the 
sound bar. It is not the least bit choppy. So I wonder what the problem 
is.previously, I had this Apple TV hooked up to an 8V receiver. And I had the 
same problem, with the optical digital out from the AppleTV into the AV 
receiver resulting in choppy output. Once again, if I used just HDMI through 
the TV speakers it was great. Except that the TV sound is very awful. I want to 
use my sound bar and I want to have clear voiceover.is this just a problem with 
my Apple TV? Or is there some issue where Apple TVs will not play nice if there 
is digital optical cable involved and voiceover? Or should I 
 just get the newer version of the Apple TV? I would hate to buy a new one, and 
be stuck with it and have it have the same problem.
Mary


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Re: [Mac-access]: ipod or ipad

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The problem with the iPod touch is that it is old. It's technology is two 
generations behind in terms of the processor. That is something that is hard to 
overcome, and my guess is that the next time Apple comes out with an upgrade to 
its OS, the iPod touch fifth-generation won't be coming along. Of course, I 
can't prove it. But I would get an iPad mini. The second-generation one, that 
is the first one with the retina display. My first Apple device was the iPod 
touch. It was a good learning tool. But, they're not that cheap. And it would 
be too bad to have your device become obsolete any years time. The iPad mini, 
while substantially larger than the touch, is still not that bad and it's 
processor is the same as the processor in the mini that just came out. So 
purchasing last years model of many get you a good price and the processor that 
is likely to be good for another couple of years at least 

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> On Dec 9, 2014, at 5:07 PM, Juanita Martin  wrote:
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> If you have small hands, you might prefer the iPod because it's smaller.
> 
> 
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>> On Dec 9, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Lovette Yewchan  wrote:
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>> Hi there.
>> I am wondering which of these two would be best for a blind user? WHat are 
>> their advantages and disadvantages?
>> THanks.
>> Lovette
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Re: [Mac-access]: My Mac Podcasts

[Mary Otten]

David,
I really hope you can get something going with Apple vis with all of your 
podcasts. They are very well known and are easily accessible. It would be 
wonderful. And your service would be extended to many more in the community 
then are currently able to get it through send space. Best of luck.
Mary


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> On Nov 28, 2014, at 2:32 PM, David Griffith  wrote:
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> That is very kind of you.
> apple Vis have accepted the first Finder Podcast so that is an option for the 
> future as well.
> I am trying to assemble some offers of help with the technicalities of  
> creating aPodcast feed.
>> On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:25, Jim Noseworthy 
>>  wrote:
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>> David:
>> 
>> If you like, I will host your podcasts for you on my FTP server.
>> 
>> In any case, I would like to have access to them.
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>>> On 11/28/2014 2:12 PM, David Griffith wrote:
>>> I have received a message that my posting of Mac Podcasts breach this  list 
>>> conditions and have been rejected by the Moderator.
>>> 
>>> I shall not therefore be posting any more of my Mac Podcast series here.
>>> If anybody wants to retain access to these  podcasts as they emerge over 
>>> the next few weeks then please contact me off list and I can direct you to 
>>> alternativemailing lists resources where these podcasts can still be 
>>> accessed .
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>>> I may also consider setting up a contact group for people still wanting the 
>>> podcasts but cannot guarantee this.
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Re: [Mac-access]: accessing an itunes store of another country?

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Well, I’m not going to be able to give a mailing address in Russia. So if 
that’s what’s needed, I’m definitely out of luck. 

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[Mac-access]: accessing an itunes store of another country?

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,

Is it possible to live in the U.S., keep access to the U.S. iTunes and iBooks 
and app stores, but also get access to the stores of another country using the 
same Apple id and credit card? I’m particularly interested in books and music, 
since I feel pretty certain that there is a lot out there that I can’t get in 
the U.S. store but probably exists in the Russian one. Any help or hints?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Mac-access]: switching keyboards on the Mac

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Anne. That did the trick. I must say, I am awfully glad for the 
verbosity rotor and its ability to let me quickly turn typing echo on and off. 
It has been a long, long time since I had to use the native Russian keyboard. 


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[Mac-access]: switching keyboards on the Mac

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,

I would like to be able to quickly switch between the standard U,.S. English 
keyboard layout and the Russian one. I imagine this can be done in system 
preferences. But what I’m hoping exists is some sort of toggle that will let me 
quickly switch back and forth between the two. I only want the cyrillic one for 
performing searches on Russian language websites, and thus it would be nice to 
be able to not have to switch keyboards the long way. Any help here?

Thanks in advance.

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[Mac-access]: Yosemite and sound output on the Mac

[Mary Otten]

Sent from my iPhonhi all,
I just upgraded my Mac to Yosemite. And I have discovered a difference between 
Yosemite and Mavericks which is annoying, to say the least.
I have a Mac Mini. I have a pair of speakers which are attached to that mini. 
Sometimes, I like to use the mini internal speaker. Other times, mostly for 
music or other entertainment, I use my external speakers. Under Mavericks, if I 
turned on my speakers, the sound output automatically switched from the mini to 
those speakers, and back again, when I turn the speakers off.this is no longer 
the case. I have to go into system preferences, sounds, output, interact with 
the table, and select my preferred sound source. That is a lot of steps. Worse, 
as soon as I move from one sound source to try to find another one, voiceover 
no longer speaks, because of course, the sound source is changing.I really need 
to get this auto switching back. How can I do that?
Mary

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Re: [Mac-access]: Right command and option keys not functioning?

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Hi Henry,
If you don't want to use the keyboard commander, then it should be unchecked. 
And I think in that case it doesn't matter if you have option keys checked or 
not since keyboard commander wouldn't be working. But I could be wrong. You 
could experiment and uncheck the option keys and see if that makes a 
difference, but I think it won't. Sorry I can't be of more help.
Mary


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> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Henry Miller  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Mary
> 
> Many thanks for your reply.
> 
> I have the keyboard commander unchecked and both option keys selected,
> Please could you explain what items should be checked or unchecked in the
> keyboard commander?
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: 30 October 2014 17:25
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Right command and option keys not functioning?
> 
> Do you perhaps have keyboard commander enabled? It's in the voiceover
> utility. And by default I believe it uses the right option key. Mike that
> mess up the VO keys on the right side?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Henry Miller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi David
>> 
>> Many thanks for your set of investigative instructions.
>> 
>> If I press the right command key and right option key plus F within Safari
> I
>> go to the Google search page.  However, if I press the right command key
>> plus the right shift key plus the letter A for the applications window
> there
>> is just a clicking sound.  If I press the left command and left option
> keys
>> and the letter A the applications menu is presented.
>> 
>> When I turn keyboard help on all the keys are spoken by VO, and I don't
> have
>> boot camp on my machine.  
>> 
>> I do not know how to reboot.  Although I have a blue tooth keyboard, I
> don't
>> know how to set up an external keyboard.
>> 
>> best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
>> Sent: 30 October 2014 09:38
>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Right command and option keys not functioning?
>> 
>> A few investigative steps.
>> Have you rebooted
>> Have you an external keyboard to try and see if the problem   persists
> even
>> with that
>> Have you tried turning on keyboard help to see if there is any response
> from
>> these keys?
>> Do you have boot camp and tried  booting into Windows. ditto with Fusion
>> If the key problem persists under Windows or disappears with an external
>> keyboard it may be a hardware problem
>> 
>> David Griffith
>>> On 29 Oct 2014, at 22:00, Henry Miller 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I am running Mavericks on a Mac Book Pro and the right command and option
>>> keys appear not to be functioning .  However, the left command and option
>>> keys are just fine when used in conjunction with other keys.  
>>> 
>>> Can anyone offer a solution?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Henry
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Re: [Mac-access]: Right command and option keys not functioning?

[Mary Otten]

Do you perhaps have keyboard commander enabled? It's in the voiceover utility. 
And by default I believe it uses the right option key. Mike that mess up the VO 
keys on the right side?
Mary


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> On Oct 30, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Henry Miller  wrote:
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> 
> 
> Hi David
> 
> Many thanks for your set of investigative instructions.
> 
> If I press the right command key and right option key plus F within Safari I
> go to the Google search page.  However, if I press the right command key
> plus the right shift key plus the letter A for the applications window there
> is just a clicking sound.  If I press the left command and left option keys
> and the letter A the applications menu is presented.
> 
> When I turn keyboard help on all the keys are spoken by VO, and I don't have
> boot camp on my machine.  
> 
> I do not know how to reboot.  Although I have a blue tooth keyboard, I don't
> know how to set up an external keyboard.
> 
> best wishes
> 
> Henry
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: 30 October 2014 09:38
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Right command and option keys not functioning?
> 
> A few investigative steps.
> Have you rebooted
> Have you an external keyboard to try and see if the problem   persists even
> with that
> Have you tried turning on keyboard help to see if there is any response from
> these keys?
> Do you have boot camp and tried  booting into Windows. ditto with Fusion
> If the key problem persists under Windows or disappears with an external
> keyboard it may be a hardware problem
> 
> David Griffith
>> On 29 Oct 2014, at 22:00, Henry Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am running Mavericks on a Mac Book Pro and the right command and option
>> keys appear not to be functioning .  However, the left command and option
>> keys are just fine when used in conjunction with other keys.  
>> 
>> Can anyone offer a solution?
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> 
>> Henry
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Re: Be ware of the Tune-in update.

[Mary Otten]

Tim, I really agree with you about Radium. I also have a Mac, and I enjoy the 
fact that I have my favorites on my Mac, iPad, and my iPhone. Radium is a great 
app, and they really do pay attention to accessibility related feedback.
Mary


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> On May 7, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
> Radium is another radio app made by Catpig Studios. it's a paid app for the 
> iPhone that you can also get for the Mac  (a paid app there as well but your 
> stations can sync across) that does online radio, as well as Sirius Xm and 
> other subscription services. They're really good about adding stations and 
> paying attention to their user base as far as accessibility with their app 
> goes. I love OOTunes, but the developer hasn't updated it in a while, so not 
> sure what's up there but I'm liking Radum more and more because I can use it 
> on both my desktop and my phone and all my favorites are right there. Not 
> sure if you use a mac or not but the phone app is nice Take a look. Hope that 
> helps. 
>> On May 7, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Laurel and Stockard  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Tim, what is Radium? I use Tune In almost every day, so I'm sad to see that 
>> I can't use the latest update.
>> Laurel
>>> On May 7, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Looks like Radium more and more on this end, Lol. I hate they broke it. 
>>> Maybe they'll get it fixed but I think I'll use Radium more and more, Lol. 
 On May 7, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
 
 'm not surprised. Tune in seems to brake things more then they fix. Looks 
 like it's time to discuss this on applevis, again. Tune in will probably 
 have this fixed in about 4 or so months. Not hat's not an exaduration.
 
 Take care.
> On May 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Geoff Waaler  wrote:
> 
> Greetings y'all,
> 
> Not sure whether this is applicable to the free version, but today's 
> upgrade to TuneInRadio Pro 6.0 succeeded in rendering this app completely 
> unusable on my 5S running IOS 7.1.1.  It will open and play the last 
> station that I had on, but I can not play any other stations.  I tried 
> selecting from my list of favorites and browsing them with the same 
> result (or lack there of).  The pass-through (doubleTapHold gesture) does 
> not appear to expose a menu.  If there is a way to play a different 
> station i've not yet discovered it.  I haven't tried reinstalling TuneIn 
> because I don't want to trash my favorites.  If others are having more 
> success with version 6, that will be my next step.
> 
> Best regards.
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a survey about Audio Pedestrian signals

[Mary Otten]

I thought some of you would like to be aware of this survey, while others of 
you who are eligible might want to take it.

If you would like more information/updates, you can see contact details on the 
main page, before the survey begins.

Here's the information I saw at the end, and it did take me about ten minutes 
to complete.

If you know someone who is an adult and requires auditory information (sounds) 
to make street crossing decisions, please forward the link below directly to 
that individual. Your assistance in helping this survey reach as many qualified 
participants as possible is greatly appreciated and will help to expand the 
impact of this research.

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Re: question about extra options in menus when pressing the option key

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Hi Sean,

I couldn't agree with you more. Hiding things or making the user go through 
silly  steps on the chance that there may be something hidden that might show 
up is poor design. This isn't a game. These programs are tools to get tasks 
done, not hide and seek. Submenus would be a much better way to handle this 
sort of thing.

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Re: ABBYY FineReader-Advice on Purchasing From The Website or App Store

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Hi Eileen,
If you are using lion, you want the version of fine reader from ABByy. 
Otherwise, I see no reason to buy from one source or the other.
Mary


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> Hello folks, 
> 
> Is there any advantage of purchasing ABBYY FineReader from the website over
> the app store? I'm just curious about this, since one can procure the app
> either way. Also, has anyone tried plugging the Pearl camera into the Mac
> computer to see if it is recognized? I guess I could experiment with it.
> Currently, the only scanner that the Mac Air recognizes is my Brother MFC
> all-in-one. I haven't had much luck with it and Prizmo 2. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Eileen 
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Re: ABBYY FineReader Pro now available for the Mac

[Mary Otten]

Regarding the hover cam, are there drivers on Mack OS for that? Or did you have 
to download them somewhere? I have access to a hover cam, but have not tried it 
on a Mac.
Mary


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> Hi Deb,
> 
> Do you know whether it's possible to do multi-page scanning using ABBYY 
> FineReader Pro with the Hovercam?  There was a discussion on this list 
> earlier this year about scanning alternatives for large volume book reading 
> requirements, such as in academic programs.  This started out with a simple 
> question about software support for the EyePal after upgrading to Mountain 
> Lion, and then changed to a general discussion of the effectiveness of 
> different  solutions, given the difficulties finding good flatbed scanners 
> with well-supported drivers for OCR on the Mac.  At the time, there had been 
> a recent podcast demo of the HoverCam T5-V used with ABBYY FineReader Express 
> at AppleVis:
> • "Using the HoverCam T5-V Document > Scanner and ABBYY FineReader as a 
> Scanning Solution on the Mac"
> http://bit.ly/10jLC8v
> 
> One of the questions that came up was whether it was possible to use the 
> HoverCam in multi-page scanning mode.  In the podcast demo, a way to do that 
> clearly hadn't been figured out.  But one of the differences between the new 
> Pro version of ABBYY FineReader from the earlier Express version used in the 
> demo is its support for multi-page scanning action.  So I imagine there is 
> some curiosity about how ABBYY FineReader Pro works with the HoverCam.  The 
> price difference between the HoverCam model used in the podcast demo and the 
> EyePal was about $300 vs something over 2,000 Euros (but maybe that's only in 
> Europe, the UK, and Ireland?) 
> 
> Here's the link to Dónal's post from that earlier thread after listening to 
> the podcast:
> • Re: Digital camera systems for scanning [was Re: Mountain Lion and Eyepal]
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg16660.html
> 
> By the way, a link to the public mail archive for this list appears at the 
> bottom of each mailed post.  I just went to that linked URL:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net
> Then I typed in the search terms "Hovercam ABBYY multi-page" (without the 
> quotation marks) into the text box and hit return.  The first of the results 
> is Dónal's post with the link I copied above.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:
> 
>> The Pro version is fine with the Hovercam. 
>> I think the main pro of Docuscan is that the interface is the same in 
>> Windows and the Mac. But if you’re comfortable with how the Mac natively 
>> presents things, Fine Reader Pro is a great investment.
>> I love DocuScan for reading PdF though. I bought it when there weren’t too 
>> many good options for the Mac, and I love that you can just pop it open,hit 
>> a menu option and read. but it’s a lot of money for a little bit of 
>> convenience. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Caitlyn and Maggie wrote:
>> 
>>> Do you know if the hover cam works with fine reader pro?
>>> 
>>> I did google it, but all I can find is that it works with fine reader 
>>> express.. but I might not be searching correctly or something like that.
>>> 
>>> Also, can anybody compare abby with docuscan?  I know the big difference is 
>>> that with abby you do not need an internet connection, plus the price is 
>>> certainly a lot more reasonable..
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> 
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Re: ABBYY FineReader Pro now available for the Mac

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The other thing FR pro has going for it as compared with Docuscan is that it 
can do a bunch of languages other than English.
Mary

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Re: Kindle

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No, Kindle on Mac is not accessible. If you can get rid of the DRM using the 
caliber app, then you can read it on the Mac. But the caliber is not 
accessible. Good luck.
Mary


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> Hi!
> 
> Just downloaded the Kindle App for iPhone and am reading my first book 
> purchased from the Amazon Kindle Store in Australia.
> 
> Is the Kindle software for the Mac accessible or are there other ways to read 
> Kindle material on a Mac.
> 
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Re: Update On Installing The Plustek 3600 On The Mac

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Hi Esther and others,
When I was on the plustek site today, I noted that the driver for Mac for the 
3800 had a November date. November of this year that is. That gave me some hope 
that perhaps they were still working on it. But then it doesn't make sense that 
it supports only lion. So who knows? All I know is, I can't do the pressing 
down of big heavy books anymore. Too much carpal tunnel.

Mary


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> Hello Mary, Eileen, and Others,
> 
> As far as I can tell from my reading of sites like the reader reports section 
> of macintouch.com, Plustek support of scanner drivers for the Mac peaked 
> around 2010 when they released those beta versions for Lion, and nothing has 
> happened since.  This is also borne out by product reviews at sites like 
> Amazon.
> 
> One of the reasons that many people use VueScan on the Mac, apart from the 
> support for multi-page scanning, is that Hamrick Software manages to support 
> many old devices, or in some cases even devices that were originally designed 
> to work under Windows, where the manufacturers provide only minimal driver 
> support.  So for these users the main value of the VueScan software is the 
> ability to continue using devices that they already have, instead of having 
> to go out and buying new scanners simply because there is no driver support 
> for these models, or because it becomes extremely difficult to locate working 
> drivers, especially for updates in the operating system.  However, there are 
> limits to what the developer can do in the absence of any support from the 
> manufacturer since the device drivers are specific to the product. (This 
> statement also applies to ABBYY's ability to support theses scanners on the 
> Mac, as well as VueScan's ability to do so.)
> 
> A check of Amazon user reviews of the Plustek 3800 is not hopeful. I'll paste 
> in a review from June 15, 2012 titled "Good luck finding scanner software 
> support"
> 
> This review is from: Plustek OpticBook 3800 Book Scanner (Office Product)
> The scanner itself is fine, provided it is on an absolutely level surface 
> (otherwise it will freeze and produce a "scree" sound until you manually turn 
> it off). What it has over other scanners is how close the scanner bed is to 
> the side, so that you can scan books along the spine without having to break 
> the spine and hold it down with your hands. That said, the real problem comes 
> when trying to use Opticbook 3800 with other software. I use an iMac 10.7, 
> and while you can get the Opticbook image capture driver from Plustek's 
> webpage, this still does not allow for support in Vuescan or any other 
> software program I tried (and I spent hours on this). You can use the native 
> software, but it is rather buggy. I lost scans on several occasions because 
> the software crashes. It feels immature (in fact, I believe it is still in 
> beta). It did work through image capture on the Mac, but this is rather 
> unsatisfactory.
> 
> Having to hit the scan button each time you want to scan a page gets rather 
> old. It is too bad there is not an option to autoscan (hence, why it is so 
> sad that it is not supported by Vuescan, which has this feature and rocks-it 
> also doesn't crash).
> 
> In short, I would send it back in a heartbeat-if there were any other book 
> scanners in existence under the thousands of dollars range. Until then, I'll 
> have to keep it and hope for some serious software upgrades.
> 
> Update: I decided to return this product. It simply felt cheap, the native 
> software is atrocious (as others note if you do a www search to investigate 
> further), and it simply doesn't work with Vuescan, at least on the mac. I've 
> also been in email discussions with Plustek tech support as well as the 
> creator of Vuescan, who has been trying to get it to work; both have been 
> unsuccessful.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Hi Eileen,
>> Did this tech guy at the Plustek headquarters indicate that there are 
>> supposed to be drivers for Mac and the 3800? That would be interesting. Last 
>> I looked, there weren't any such on the Plustek website. I wish they would 
>> do full-fledged drivers that would support third-party programs, not just 
>> their button manager, which under Snow Leopard on those betas was not 
>> accessible.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Folks, 
>>> 
>>> I contacted the US office here in California regarding

Re: ABBYY FineReader Pro now available for the Mac

[Mary Otten]

For those still running Lion who have an opticbook 4800, there is a "beta" 
driver on the plustek site that supposedly works with that os. Unfortunately, 
they don't list 10.8 or 10.9 as supported, so if you have those, you are 
apparently out of luck. It would be interesting to know if the version of FR 
pro from the Abbyy store, which works under Lion, also works with this driver. 
But I don't guess there are too many on this list who have that particular 
combo. I wonder why they just came out with this beta driver which supports an 
os that is now 2 versions behind. 

Mary

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Re: iPad

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Glenn, the new iPad has the exact same processor as the newest iPhone. Same for 
the new mini. So how can you say it's processor is any worse? Plus it gets 
excellent battery life, better than the iPhone. Yes it is larger. But 
especially for the mini, it's not that big a deal. If you use your device a lot 
a single iPhone won't cut it. That is, unless you want to carry around some 
kind of external battery. Talk about the hassle. I love the iPhone. But since I 
use my iOS devices for so much, I'm very grateful to have the iPad mini. If I 
didn't want a phone, I would probably just have a mini if I can only have one 
device.
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On Dec 5, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> Its processor is not as good, and camera is significantly lesser, and it is 
> bulky in comparison.  And I don't know if they have GPS in them.
> The speakers are much better, but heck, with decent bluetooth speakers that 
> are affordable, I see its speaker as a non-issue.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Phil Halton" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
> iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that 
> isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
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>> Hello everyone
>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it 
>> too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, 
>> and the sound quality is great.
>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to 
>> go.
>> Kind regards
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Re: iPad

[Mary Otten]

Hi Phil,
Aside from the different layout that you get on the iPad with some apps, which 
some folks like and others don't, there are advantages to having more than one 
device. It's sort of depends on how much you use your phone every day. I know 
that I could not do everything on my phone that I do on my phone plus my iPad, 
simply because the battery would run out. And I do like the sound of the larger 
speaker or bigger cabinet or whatever it is on the iPad. So I do most of my 
reading an radio listening on the pad.
Mary


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On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:34 AM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure out  what the attraction of the iPad is over an 
> iPhone. I mean I like toys too, but is there anything the iPad does that 
> isn't available on the iPhone that makes it worth buying?
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Chris H  wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone
>> thanks to my support i managed to not only feel her iPad but also hear it 
>> too. She has the newer iPad mini. I like the screen size, about 8 inches, 
>> and the sound quality is great.
>> So all I'm going to say if I ever get one is the iPad mini is the way to go.
>> Kind regards
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Re: Update On Installing The Plustek 3600 On The Mac

[Mary Otten]

Hi Eileen,
Did this tech guy at the Plustek headquarters indicate that there are supposed 
to be drivers for Mac and the 3800? That would be interesting. Last I looked, 
there weren't any such on the Plustek website. I wish they would do 
full-fledged drivers that would support third-party programs, not just their 
button manager, which under Snow Leopard on those betas was not accessible.
Mary


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On Dec 5, 2013, at 9:54 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hello Folks, 
> 
> I contacted the US office here in California regarding installing the Plustek 
> 3600 on the Mac OS operating system. What I learned was that the model 3800 
> replaced the 3600 and that the 3600 wouldn't be supported any further than 
> 10.7, which is a beta. The tech support individual will send an email to the 
> corporate office in Taipei to see if they would be so kind to create another 
> beta version for 10.8. I indicated that there are other visually impaired 
> individuals who are using this scanner and would prefer to install it on 
> their Mac computers. He indicated that the response time from the corporate 
> office is about 2-3 days. When I receive an email from tech support, I will 
> post again. It wasn't the answer I wanted to hear, but at least this guy was 
> willing to try. I also inquired if the drivers for the 3800 would run the 
> 3600, but the firmware is different and is on the motherboard of the 3800. 
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Re: installing PlusTech 3600 Drivers On My Air

[Mary Otten]

If you do manage to get this scanner working Undermountain lion, I would really 
like to know. I still have one which I use on an old windows XP machine with 
Kurzweil. I love Kurzweil. And I do have Boot Camp on my Mac mini. So my plan 
had been to simply move my plustek to the window side on Boot Camp . But it 
would be nice to be able to use the scanner on the Mac side with Dr. scan. I'll 
be interested to see what you find out.
Mary


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On Nov 30, 2013, at 5:00 PM, Eileens Misrahi  wrote:

> Hi Ester,
> 
> Thanks for your detail explanation. I will check out the article you 
> mentioned in your email and report back either way on the outcome of getting 
> the PlusTech 3600 to work or not. Maybe this was what the other site was 
> talking about in turning on the driver. 
> 
> It might seem like I just wasted some iTunes credit I had on Prizmo. Since I 
> am relatively new to the Mac side of things, I think about what I use with 
> the iPhone. I guess I will need to purchase ABBYY app also. Live and laarn. I 
> know I will make other mistakes along the way. 
> 
> Thanks again and I'm off to the computer to read up on how to get the scanner 
> working on the Air.
> 
> Cheers,
> Eileen
> 
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> On Nov 30, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary and Eileen,
>> 
>> The Hamrick Vuescan site claims that the Plustek OpticBook 3600 is supported 
>> on Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion) and later, if you first install the Plustek drivers. 
>>  It also says that you might have to use the x32 version of Vuescan with 
>> this scanner.  This suggests to me that the drivers Eileen found for 10.7 
>> and above might get this device working, but that it wouldn't apply to Snow 
>> Leopard systems (Mac OS X 10.6) like the one you were running.  It also 
>> suggests to me that the drivers might have been written for machines that 
>> natively run a 32-bit kernel (essentially, all older Mac models), and that 
>> since all recent Macs, including Eileen's MacBook Air, boot into 64-bit 
>> systems by default, and since this is enforced by all systems running 
>> Mountain Lion and above, this might be why she isn't seeing the device.
>> 
>> I think that the option of booting into 32-bit mode went away in Mountain 
>> Lion and above.  There's an Apple Knowledge base article on booting into 
>> either 64-bit or 32-bit mode, but it's now marked as archived.  Here's the 
>> link:
>> • Archived - OS X: Starting up with the 32-bit or 64-bit kernel
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773
>> 
>> This has left me puzzled, because I don't see a way to install the drivers 
>> on the new MacBook Airs that ship with the newer operating systems.  Maybe 
>> Hamrick means this might work on upgraded operating systems that managed to 
>> install the drivers under Lion or earlier? Might be worth asking the VueScan 
>> folks directly if this is at all possible on a recent MacBook Air.
>> 
>> Eileen, I haven't tried Prizmo 2 on the Mac (although I did have version 1, 
>> which I didn't like), but I think that Anne and some others prefer ABBYY 
>> FineReader Express over Prizmo 2.  ABBYY is currently on sale at the Mac App 
>> Store for half price ($49.99) for Thanksgiving.  I know Prizmo 2 is much 
>> better than Prizmo 1, but you seem to be a serious scanner, so I thought I 
>> would mention the ABBYY option while it's still active this weekend.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther 
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Unfortunately, that 3600 scanner is worthless for us vo users.  I tried it 
>>> when I had snow leopard. The only thing you got access to was there button 
>>> manager thing, and it was VO not friendly. So the short version is, forget 
>>> it. That is, unless they have come up with something new and better than 
>>> the older drivers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Eileens Misrahi wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Folks,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a PlusTech 3600 and found this statement when I Googled it. "In 
>>>> Mountain Lion you will need to turn it on." What does this mean? I found 
>>>> the drivers for OS 10.7 as a beta., but my Mac Air in system preferences 
>>>> does not recognize it and it is not listed in the table to add the scanner 
>>>> to the computer. Can anyone give me advise on how to procede? 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>> 
>>

Re: installing PlusTech 3600 Drivers On My Air

[Mary Otten]

Hi Esther and Eileen,
Well, I certainly don't want to be the bearer of false bad news. I do recall 
looking on the plus text site not too long ago, because I was interested in 
perhaps getting a new scanner. I didn't see any Mac drivers for any of the book 
inch scanners except for the one for the 3600 that was marked as beta. And I 
don't recall it saying supported lion or mountain lion. I'll have to look 
again. Eileen, where did you get the drivers that are supposed to work under 
10.7?
Mary
When I was using Snow Leopard, I did try the beta drivers in conjunction with 
Dockie scan plus. Unfortunately, the scanner was not seen, so I didn't get 
anywhere.

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On Nov 30, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Mary and Eileen,
> 
> The Hamrick Vuescan site claims that the Plustek OpticBook 3600 is supported 
> on Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion) and later, if you first install the Plustek drivers.  
> It also says that you might have to use the x32 version of Vuescan with this 
> scanner.  This suggests to me that the drivers Eileen found for 10.7 and 
> above might get this device working, but that it wouldn't apply to Snow 
> Leopard systems (Mac OS X 10.6) like the one you were running.  It also 
> suggests to me that the drivers might have been written for machines that 
> natively run a 32-bit kernel (essentially, all older Mac models), and that 
> since all recent Macs, including Eileen's MacBook Air, boot into 64-bit 
> systems by default, and since this is enforced by all systems running 
> Mountain Lion and above, this might be why she isn't seeing the device.
> 
> I think that the option of booting into 32-bit mode went away in Mountain 
> Lion and above.  There's an Apple Knowledge base article on booting into 
> either 64-bit or 32-bit mode, but it's now marked as archived.  Here's the 
> link:
> • Archived - OS X: Starting up with the 32-bit or 64-bit kernel
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3773
> 
> This has left me puzzled, because I don't see a way to install the drivers on 
> the new MacBook Airs that ship with the newer operating systems.  Maybe 
> Hamrick means this might work on upgraded operating systems that managed to 
> install the drivers under Lion or earlier? Might be worth asking the VueScan 
> folks directly if this is at all possible on a recent MacBook Air.
> 
> Eileen, I haven't tried Prizmo 2 on the Mac (although I did have version 1, 
> which I didn't like), but I think that Anne and some others prefer ABBYY 
> FineReader Express over Prizmo 2.  ABBYY is currently on sale at the Mac App 
> Store for half price ($49.99) for Thanksgiving.  I know Prizmo 2 is much 
> better than Prizmo 1, but you seem to be a serious scanner, so I thought I 
> would mention the ABBYY option while it's still active this weekend.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2013, at 12:34 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> Unfortunately, that 3600 scanner is worthless for us vo users.  I tried it 
>> when I had snow leopard. The only thing you got access to was there button 
>> manager thing, and it was VO not friendly. So the short version is, forget 
>> it. That is, unless they have come up with something new and better than the 
>> older drivers.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 30, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Eileens Misrahi wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Folks,
>>> 
>>> I have a PlusTech 3600 and found this statement when I Googled it. "In 
>>> Mountain Lion you will need to turn it on." What does this mean? I found 
>>> the drivers for OS 10.7 as a beta., but my Mac Air in system preferences 
>>> does not recognize it and it is not listed in the table to add the scanner 
>>> to the computer. Can anyone give me advise on how to procede? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: installing PlusTech 3600 Drivers On My Air

[Mary Otten]

Unfortunately, that 3600 scanner is worthless for us vo users.  I tried it when 
I had snow leopard. The only thing you got access to was there button manager 
thing, and it was VO not friendly. So the short version is, forget it. That is, 
unless they have come up with something new and better than the older drivers.
Mary
 

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On Nov 30, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Eileens Misrahi  wrote:

> Hello Folks,
> 
> I have a PlusTech 3600 and found this statement when I Googled it. "In 
> Mountain Lion you will need to turn it on." What does this mean? I found the 
> drivers for OS 10.7 as a beta., but my Mac Air in system preferences does not 
> recognize it and it is not listed in the table to add the scanner to the 
> computer. Can anyone give me advise on how to procede? 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> 
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Re: Radium for the Mac

[Mary Otten]

According to the support for radium on the Mac, if you want to play sirius XM 
you must have Mavericks. I got that response from them when I wrote them 
because I was no longer able to play sirius and XM. I am still on Mountain lion.
Mary


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On Nov 24, 2013, at 4:38 PM, Orin  wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just needed to mention that if you happen to be a fan of internet radio, 
> you might want to go purchase Radium. Better yet, get it on iOS today, since 
> it’s free for a few more hours. If you are a Sirius XM subscriber, it is by 
> far the best way to listen to Sirius XM on both Mac and iOS, though keep the 
> Sirius app for those times when you want on-demand. Everything is driven by 
> the keyboard, though I wish there was an accessible way to import external 
> stations from a playlist file if you can’t remember the URL.
> Enjoy!
> 
> Orin
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Re: VO Volume problem on the 5S

[Mary Otten]

Someone on a different list that I am on pointed out that the iPad mini has the 
same issue with the volume for VO. So perhaps it has to do with the new a seven 
chip. I'm sure they've got lots of reports on it, and I trust it will get fixed.
Mary


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On Nov 20, 2013, at 6:38 PM, "Geoff Waaler"  wrote:

> I had this problem initially.  The volume was loud initially, but once I 
> turned it down below 35% it would not go above that.  I reverted to factory 
> settings and among other things, that restored my VO volume.  I then removed 
> the volume slider from my rotor and its been fine ever since.  I'm afraid to 
> test this on IOS 7.04 because of what one must go through to restore the 
> volume on a 5S once its been reduced.
> 
> The down side of course is that VO blasts while on calls.  I hope VO doesn't 
> become the orphan child of IOS as has happened in the MACOSX world.
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sarah Alawami" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:29 PM
> Subject: Re: VO Volume problem on the 5S
> 
> 
>> I believe this is a bug as I've seen this on applevis site.
>> 
>>> On Nov 19, 2013, at 16:02, Eric Caron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>>   My iPhone 5S volume will only go up to 35 percent.  I've tried raising it 
>>> in the Roter and I've tried removing it from the roter and using the volume 
>>> buttons pressed while VO is talking.
>>> 
>>> I believe I read somewhere that this is either a iOS 7 bug or a iPhone 5 S 
>>> bug.
>>> 
>>> I suspect iPhone 5 as my 4S sas it is going up to 100 percent and it does 
>>> sound louder.
>>> 
>>> I tried also removing volume from the roter and restarting my phone. Again 
>>> no change.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else having this 5S problem?  Any solutions?
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron
>>> r
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Brenda,
So, you don't have an Apple Store or a Mac store near you? How about a Best 
Buy? Staples? Even Walmart? Lots of stores are carrying iPads these days. And 
all you have to do is get someone to turn voice over on for you when you're in 
the store.
Mary

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 8:15 PM, "meadowlark77"  wrote:

> Oo! This is very interesting. I wonder what I'd actually think. Too bad I 
> can't go get the feel of one with the screen reader running and so on.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Paula Hobley" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 7:45 PM
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I am totally blind and I have both.  I use both for different things.  I
> love using my IPad for reading, as the pages don't turn as often as they do
> on the phone, and the battery lasts a lot longer. I also use it for word
> processing when I'm out and about.  I like the Bluetooth keyboard case for
> the IPad as everything just folds in on itself.  I am not so fond of how the
> menus look in settings, I find it more difficult to conceptualise. I think
> it all comes down to personal preference.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Paula
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith
> Sent: Friday, 15 November 2013 11:16 AM
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: RE: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail,
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
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Re: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?

[Mary Otten]

I also have no vision, but I'm glad I have an iPad, and am planning to get a 
mini. I use my i-devices for so much, that I would not want to depend on just 
the one phone. There's  audible, Kindle iBooks. And those are just the reading 
things. There is Twitter, email, and some wordprocessing. In fact, I would be 
interested in knowing more about the accessible version of quick office for 
iPad. This is the first I've heard of that.
In some cases, apps will look and perform differently on the two devices. For 
instance, with websites, on the iPad, you get the regular website. On the 
phone, you get the mobile site. Some apps are laid out differently. For 
example, there is the settings app. On the iPad, you have everything down the 
left for categories, and on the right as a category gets focused, you have all 
the choices. So you don't have to move back and forward between so many 
screens. Occasionally, an app will be more accessible on one platform or the 
other. For example, the site app had been perfectly accessible on the iPad, 
while on the phone it was not. Sadly this is no longer the case.
If you like things like Netflix, the sound on the iPad being stereo, is better 
than it is on the phone. I myself find that app difficult to use, so I don't go 
there. But others do. But the biggest reason is simply that I don't think I 
could do a day on an iPhone if I had to just use that device. The battery would 
run out too soon.

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On Nov 14, 2013, at 4:16 PM, "David Griffith"  wrote:

> As far as I can see there are no compelling reasons for a blind user to
> require an iPad in addition to an iPhone, apart from possible better battery
> life.
> The physical size of the iPad makes the onscreen keyboard larger but a cheap
> external Bluetooth keyboard   on an iPhone will give a better keyboard
> experience anyway.
> 
> If however, you have some useful vision then the situation is completely
> different and there are of course lots of advantages in having a bigger
> display area to look at. As I am not in that category nobody has ever been
> able to explain to me what advantage an iPad would have over an iPhone. At
> the margins there is apparently a version of Quick Office on the iPad which
> is accessible on that platform whilst it remains inaccessible on the iPhone.
> However Pages will meet most word processing  needs and I do not routinely
> use Spreadsheets on a mobile device.
> 
> So in essence the case for a blind user investing in an iPad in addition to
> a phone seem very tenuous to me.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> .
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of meadowlark77
> Sent: 14 November 2013 23:40
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: advantage of an iPad over an iPhone?
> 
> Just curious. What could be the advantage, say, of an iPad mini overthe 
> iPhone 5? I'm asking for a reason. I told somebody theother day that I use 
> my iPhone like a computer, more than I do a phone. I told them i E-Mail, 
> write files and so on and so on and so on. I take pictures, videos and so 
> on. Their reply was, "you really need an iPad, so you don't have to use your
> 
> phone like that." But do I? If I do, why? What are the differences between 
> the iPad and the iPhone 5?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
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Re: Kindle App On The Air

[Mary Otten]

Hi Eilene. Short answer, you don't. The app is totally inaccessible on the Mac. 
You can get sighted help to register it, but then, you can't read books in it, 
so what's the advantage, unless you plan to download books in to it and then 
strip the drm. But since the i_h\\Phone app is accessible, the point of that 
process has sort of gone away, at least for me.

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Re: Russian-English Dictionary accessible on a Mac with VO

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Thanks for the tip on word reference.com. I had never heard of this website but 
will definitely check it out.
Mary


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> Mary,
> 
> I second Chris's offer of using www.wordreference.com, as it's a marvelous 
> web site. I have not found a software solution, as Babylon was only for 
> Windows when it was accessibly doable.
> 
> Ben
> On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> I'm looking for an accessible Russian-English dictionary. Does anybody know 
>> of one?
>> 
>> Mary
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Re: VO-friendly program for accessing NTFS-formatted hard drive

[Mary Otten]

Hi Zach,
Copying is all I want to do, but when I posed this question on a different 
list, I got answers that I couldn't do this, and somebody suggested the thumb 
drive alternative. Thanks for the help.

Mary

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VO-friendly program for accessing NTFS-formatted hard drive

[Mary Otten]

I have a hard drive that has a lot of data on it that was copied off of a 
Windows machine over the years. I'd like to be able to copy some of this on to 
my Mac, but I understand that this is not possible. I can only read the drive, 
but not access or move files with the native facility of Mountain Lion. So the 
question: is there a program  that will let me do this? I know I could get a 
thumb drive or sd card, copy data there and then copy from there to the Mac. 
But I'd prefer to have a means of directly accessing and copying the files if 
possible. Thanks in advance for any assistance.

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Re: Russian-English Dictionary accessible on a Mac with VO

[Mary Otten]

Hi James,
Yes, Russian does use the Cyrillic alphabet. But it is not at all like Hebrew, 
in that it is not written from right to left, nor are there varied forms of the 
letters as there are in Arabic and I think also Hebrew.
There is a Russian voice for voice over. So it should be accessible. In theory.
Mary


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On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:29 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> Hi Mary,
> 
> I have the English French and italian Collins/Ultralingua dictionairies and 
> they are completely accessible except for the Flashcards. However, I think 
> that Russian uses a script that is not based on Latin lettering. I think it 
> is called Serilic. I am not sure if this will be accessible to Voice Over. If 
> it is the same as is used in Hebrew, then probably not.
> 
> Best
> James 
> 
> On 20 Sep 2013, at 16:44, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
>> Hi James,
>> I did just check with the ultra lingua site, and as was the case when I last 
>> checked, I did not see anything related to any Russian products.
>> However, now I do see that they have a Collins Russian English dictionary 
>> which is said to have ultra lingua features. It costs more than the ultra 
>> Lingle ones and I have no idea if it would be accessible. I wonder if anyone 
>> has try this Collins product or any other of the Collins products and if 
>> they are indeed accessible. Thanks.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Russian-English Dictionary accessible on a Mac with VO

[Mary Otten]

Hi James,
I did just check with the ultra lingua site, and as was the case when I last 
checked, I did not see anything related to any Russian products.
However, now I do see that they have a Collins Russian English dictionary which 
is said to have ultra lingua features. It costs more than the ultra Lingle ones 
and I have no idea if it would be accessible. I wonder if anyone has try this 
Collins product or any other of the Collins products and if they are indeed 
accessible. Thanks.
Mary


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On Sep 20, 2013, at 1:38 AM, JAMES AUSTIN  wrote:

> You could try www.ultralingua.com and see if they have a Russian-English 
> dictionary. The dictionaries are extremely good and accessible.
> 
> Best
> James 
> On 20 Sep 2013, at 06:36, Chris Gilland  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I don't know about an actual app, so this may not be exactly what you 
>> want per sey, but how about going to
>> 
>> http://www.wordreference.com
>> 
>> You don't need to register for an account, unless you want to post to the 
>> forums.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:47 PM
>> Subject: Russian-English Dictionary accessible on a Mac with VO
>> 
>> 
>>> I'm looking for an accessible Russian-English dictionary. Does anybody know 
>>> of one?
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten
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Russian-English Dictionary accessible on a Mac with VO

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I'm looking for an accessible Russian-English dictionary. Does anybody know of 
one?

Mary

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Re: braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

[Mary Otten]

Louis is the heart of the braille blaster program. Good luck with it. I still 
think you're going to need an actual driver to communicate between the Mac OS 
and your blazer.
Mary


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On Aug 27, 2013, at 5:09 AM, "Linda C. Knight"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Actually, I am thinking of downloading Louis. It's a full braille
> translation for the mac and I do have the serial to USB on the blazer. 
> 
> If all doesn't work, I can use the windows pc for the blazer. Just figured I
> would check this out. I will keep you all updated.
> 
> 
> Hugs and 73
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Re: braille translation for blazer embosser with mac.

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There is a program called braille blaster. You can Google it. But it doesn't 
include drivers, so my guess is, it's not going to work well. Good luck.
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> There proboTher probably is, but good luck getting the blazie to work.  Macs 
> don't come with cereal or parallel ports. I fyou have a  usb adapter you 
> should be ok, but I don't know if there is any translation software. I 
> thought there was but the discussion was a long time ago and I remember not 
> what the software was called.
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> Tc and 73 and hope that sort of helped.
> On Aug 26, 2013, at 7:11 PM, Linda C. Knight  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>> I have a a 1999 very good working blazer embosser which I emboss stuff
>> having to do with knitting, my church stuff and on windows, I have Duxbury.
>> 
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>> 
>> Regrettably, Duxbury doesn't work on the mac yet.
>> 
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>> So do any of you know if there is a braille translation software accessible
>> with the mac?
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>> Thank you,
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Fujitsu scansnap IX 500 and VO

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Hi all,
Does anyone have experience with this sheet feed scanner? It has proprietary 
software that runs on the Mac as well as coming with a version of fine reader. 
You have to be able to use the proprietary software, so I'm wondering about 
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Re: A Review of the Voice Dream Reader for iOS: A One-Stop Solution - AccessWorld® - August 2013

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Voice dream is a really good app. If Ivona ever makes their voices available to 
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Apple Fusion drive and boot camp

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I'm looking at a new Mac Mini to replace my 4-year-old one in time for 
Mavericks this fall. I also have a Windows machine that needs replacing, and I 
would like to just have one machine, not two. Yes, I still need Windows for 
some things. But here is the question. I understand that the magic in the 
fusion drive is all in OSX, i.e. if I run bootcamp and a duel boot system, 
Windows won't know anything about the fusion drive as such. Does anybody know 
if it is even possible to put a duel boot system on a machine with one of these 
fusion drives? I wouldn't expect the Windows side to even see the flash drive 
part of the set up. I'd be happy if the OSX side got 500GB of the mechanical 
drive and the 128gb of the flash storage, and leave the other 500gb for the 
bootcamp partition. Is that possible?

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Re: Kendel Books On The Mac

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Dane, If your friend is willing to jump through hoops and strip off the drm, 
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Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)

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Actually, you can also deal with an image only pdf with docuscan plus, which I 
have. But there is no way to clean up errors, except laboriously by hand, which 
is a time suck, and then when I'm done, I have an html document, which I guess 
is ok unless I want to interact and copy bits and pieces, but would probably 
work well for many folks. Does this app you're talking about offer any sort of 
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Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)

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Josh,
I'm sorry, but how do you read tables in pdf documents and how do you deal with 
those pdf documents you receive which are image onkly? The problem with 
expecting pdf docs to be properly tagged is that the huge majority of them are 
not, because people don't know anything about tagging pdf documents. If you get 
good results with preview and pdf, more power to you. My results have been so 
bad that I have, honestly, just given up on it. I've had some luck with iBooks 
on my phone and pdf. But I need to interact with pdf docs, copy and paste from 
them and access the tables that show up in them from time to time. Can't do 
that with the Mac. And that is pretty basic. Given that the cost of Mac 
hardware far outstrips the cost of Windows hardware, even though there is some 
merit in the saying that you get what you pay for, I'm not amused at all that a 
hissing war between Adobe and Apple results in the sub-par accessibility we 
have for pdf files on the Mac. Hoping for better things in t
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Re: State of Apple Accessibility (was: Re: Logic Pro X accessibility: the view from Cupertino)

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John,
Seems to me you didn't really address some of Chris's specific issues with Mac 
as compared to his use of Jaws or NVDA with Windows. pdf on the Mac is a joke 
compared with Windows; sorry, but cutting and pasting in to text edit isn't my 
idea of reasonable access. And the fact that I can't read tables in pdf 
documents is a serious drawback. I know there are work arounds involving the 
use of Pages with tables and numbers, but again, cutting and pasting back and 
forth just to do something that ought to be done within a single app is not the 
same level of usability as you get with a good Windows screen reader. If Apple 
fixes this issue with the next release of iWork, which ought to be coming soon, 
then good for them. In the mean time, I don't see how you can say Mac is just 
as good as Windows for folks who need to do a lot of table reading and editing, 
or document changes tracking, which is working in MS Word for Windows with 
screen reader but not with VO and Pages. 
You made a statement that a lot of folks who criticize Apple accessibility as 
compared with Windows don't have sufficient knowledge of Mac usage to make such 
a statement. I would argue that the opposite is also true. I've seen statements 
from people who admit to not having used Windows ever or to not having used it 
in years, but they nonetheless feel justified in making statements that are as 
exaggerated about Windows as the ones you rightly call out re the Mac. 
There are plenty of things I like about the MacMy other complaint about use of 
the Mac, which isn't an Apple issue but does affect the usability of the system 
is the problem producing braille. I understand that there is a Duxbury product 
in the works for the Mac, although it will be interesting to see how that's 
going to work, given the state of inaccessibilitry of MS Word and uncertainty 
about whether Dux will be able to tightly integrate with the new iWork, as it 
does in Windows with Word. I have a use case involving the receipt of pdf 
documents that are both text and pictures. I have to integrate these by running 
ocr on the image only document, then pasting that in between sections of the 
text-based pdf that have been pasted in to Word. Then I produce ahard copy 
braille document from that for use each week. I can't do that at all on the 
Mac. It is easy with Windows. I admit that is a specialized use case. But it 
does highlight some of the shortcomings that may be encounter
 ed by blind folks who want to produce hard copy braille and need to do so in 
an efficient manner. One of the things I think that some folks minimize is the 
difference between something that is accessible, at least in name, and 
something that is efficiently usable. Some of this is learning curve, to be 
sure. But some of it is just simple efficiency and/or ergonomics, e.g. the 
business with the cutting and pasting of tables between Pages and Numbers. 

I really hope that Mavericks sees some VO improvements and especially that the 
new iWork becomes as efficiently usable with VO as it is with JAWS or even 
NVDA. My Windows machine is close to the end of its life, and I don't want to 
buy another one, but given some of my use cases, I will need to do that if some 
stuff isn't made more efficiently usable or accessible at all with the Mac in 
the next several months.
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When the next iteration of osX comes out, we will have iBooks on the Mac. But 
for now, it is iDevices only.

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Re: Mail verbosity, improving productivity

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Am I correct in assuming that the only way to get threaded mail is with the new 
mail view? I'm still on snow leopard but will probably be getting a notebook or 
a newer desktop in the fairly near future. I love the way my mail reads now, 
where I can just hear  the subject line and vo plus j to the preview pane and 
back again to the message list. Very efficient, except for the lack of ability 
to delete a whole thread at once. With the new mail view, I wonder if I'd be 
gaining that much with threading if it means a lot more verbosity and vo 
interaction with messages in a thread.

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Re: Turning pages kindle app

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I have the original iPad, and I do notice more of a gap between pages in the 
Kindle app than with the iBooks or Nook apps, but it isn't anything like 6 
seconds. I don't notice this on my 4S, making me wonder if the issue is 
processor or ram dependent. Maybe somebody with a newer iPad, i.e. the 3 or 4, 
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3 finger flick left or right is working reliably in the Kindle app on my 4S, 
just as it does in iBooks.

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Re: Deleting on the Kindle app

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To delete a book, just put focus on it with VO and then flick down like you 
would to delete a mail message and double tap.

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Re: why this not work please for reading books

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It doesn't work because your two finger swipe is being interpreted by the app 
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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

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You can buy kindle books using the amazon mobile app. Or you can use the amazon 
site from Safari or whatever browser you use on your Mac or pc. I prefer the 
main site, because I like to see more reviews at once, and I don't find the 
main site problematic after years and years of using it. 

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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

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You go to the amazon website and search in the Kindle store for whatever 
book(s) you want just like you'd do other amazon searches in whatever other 
departments. You have an amazon account, right?

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Re: Kindle now accessible on iOS.

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No, you can't access the kindle store from the app. Apple does not allow that. 
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The kindle app works really well on my iPhone. two finger flick down when 
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Haven't checked personally, but I understand from somebody else that it also 
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Yes, the process is to get the book on to the iPad via itunes after the drm has 
been stripped by Caliber. So you move the book out of the caliber library in to 
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stored into the iTunes and then transfer it, or you could email it as an 
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David,
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Re: Help testing the free National Geographic World Atlas on iPad

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Well, I'm sorry I missed the older version. This is one of the most frustrating 
things about relying on mainsteram tech for access. I love the zite app, for 
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not found aother app that does what it does. 

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Re: Help testing the free National Geographic World Atlas on iPad

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Hi Esther,
Well, perhaps I didn't test sufficiently. I did see the map descriptions you 
mentioned, satelite etc, if the pup up is dismissed. But I didn't see anything 
that hinted at giving any text info. Maybe I missed it, gave up too soon on the 
app or something. The "menu" button which I thought held promise just seemed to 
open to a list of other offerings from Nat Geo, or at least related programs. I 
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Re: Help testing the free National Geographic World Atlas on iPad

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Hi Esther,
I didn't have the previous app, but this one I just downloaded does not seem to 
fit your description of good accessibility. The opening screen of the app gives 
the following options as you flick through the screen "button menu off" "saving 
 maps for off line use" "button search off"  Double tapping the "search off" 
button brings a pop up with a search field into which you can type your term. I 
typed "oregon" my home state. I get a bunch of returns, each of which is a city 
in Oregon, so I clicked on Eugene, the town where I live. The result of this 
double tap seems to me that the city name is now announced as selected. But I'm 
not seeing any sort of buttons that will let me access any info on Eugene. This 
is all within the search pop up. There is the usual option to dismiss the pop 
up, but doing so does not reveal any sort of text information about the 
selected city. So as far as I'm concerned, this looks like something I want to 
delete. Sorry I missed the good version. There 
 is a telltale hint in the app description that this app could be a problem. I 
refer to the what's new section where it mentions infographics. Makes me wonder 
if all the text is in infographics which, naturally, are not seen by VO.

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Re: Re-Mapping Macbook Keyboard for Window-Eyes

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Thanks, Janet, but I thought all the airs had flash only for storage, no hard 
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Hi Jannet,
I can't help with your question, but I am interested in hearing the answers as 
well as knowing what Macbook Air you got. i.e. how much ssd storage did you 
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Re: kindle app for the mac and voiceover

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No, Kindle for the Mac is totally inaccessible when it comes to actually 
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Re: Help with ibooks please

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Hi Paul,
Yes, it is quite possible to do what you want in iBooks. Once you have located 
the page where you want to start reading, make sure VO focus is in the content 
area, rather than at the top, where the buttons for things like bookmarks, 
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Re: Accessible Ebooks

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The Nook app works fine on the iPad as well. The organization isn't anything as 
nice as iBooks, but its great otherwise. So, Amazon? What's your issue? And 
Google? Who claims to be interested in accessibility but still has not 
implemented continuous reading? B&BNhave an awesome release here which proves 
there is no excuse for half-way accessibility measures in first releases that 
incorporate accessibility.

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Wonderful. I will definitely try this new Nook app on my iPad. Hope I don't 
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Re: iA Writer writing app for iPad and iPhone updates

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Hi Esther,
It sounds, from your description of the IA writer app, that you are actually 
using the iPad to type texts. I've been using an Apple bt keyboard to 
accomplish this if I have to write anything of length, because I find it so 
much faster to type that way without having to wait for vo feedback for each 
letter typed. So I'm curious, as I assume you're not using a bt keyboard in 
conjunction with this app, as moving your hands from the keyboard to the iPad 
would be inefficient, and you have all the access to keys or key combinations 
on the external keyboard that this app supplies. I get the convenience factor 
of not having to have two pieces of gear if you use this app. Just wondering 
about the efficiency hit. Also, I have an iPad 1, so if you're on the newer 
model, perhaps there is less lag between touching letters and vo announcement?

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Re: Regarding the End of life of the original iPad [Was: Re: iPad Third Generation]

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I too was rather surprised about the dropping of support for the original IPad 
i IOS6, given that they will continue support for the aged 3GS. Then again, 
Apple have never been known to give much of a fig for legacy anything. So I 
suppose the surprise should be that they're stilll supporting the 3GS, not that 
they're dropping support for the IPad. I own an original IPad, and I certainly 
would think twice about sinking big bucks in to another one if this 2-year 
product cycle is going to be Apple's norm for IPads. Admittedly, I bought my 
IPad after the 2 was already out and prices on the original had dropped a lot. 
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Re: accuracy of dictation

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I have found dictation accuracy to be excellent, not perfect. But neither is my 
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Re: more ibooks tests

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Well, I've had the I-device lying on a surface that i'm not directly next to 
and had it stop reading, but I certainly haven't detected any sort of pattern. 
I sort of thought maybe it had to do with memory usage, but can't prove it. It 
doesn't happen often enough to be a real bother.

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Re: more ibooks tests

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Hi William,
No, the two finger flick down works on the IPad as it does on the IPhone to 
read continuously in an IBook, so long as you start having put focus on the 
text area prior to the flick gesture. You don't get two pages side by side on 
the IPad. You get more text of course, because the screen is larger. And I have 
noticed that every once in a while, when in Ibooks, the reading will stop and 
I'll get tossed up to the top of the screen and the library button gets focus. 
But that happens on the IPod too, not just the IPad.

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Re: daisy aps for ipad

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William, Can't answer your specific question re that daisy app, as I never used 
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Re: panes in ipad

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Hi  William,

In the voiceover rotor, there is a setting called "containers". I must admit 
that I've not found this setting as helpful as I thought it would be. When it 
is selected, it lets you move among groups of objects in a program or, I think, 
on a website, maybe not unlike group mode on the Mac, but I don't use group 
mode that much, so I could be wrong about that last part. Flicking with one 
finger up and down moves among the various containers, and those sometimes 
correspond to panes. There are also popup windows that take getting use to. A 
good example is the mail app, with its use of the popup and side bar, which I 
honestly can't tell the difference between. In instances where there is a popup 
or sidebar, you'll see a button you can double tap to dismiss that control. 

Otherwise, in an app with panes that are not popups, you can just put your 
finger into the other pane and it will get focus. A good example is the 
settings app, which has the main categories down the left side of the IPad. 
Double tap one and the list of categories remains on the left, but on the right 
half of the screen, you see all the items related to the choice you just 
selected on the left. This is actually kind of nice once you get use to it, as 
it means less backing out of layered screens as with the IPhone or IPod touch. 
But it definitely takes a little bit of getting use to.

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Re: organising my aps on the ipad

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William,
If you mean you want to use ITunes to put certain apps on your IPad and not 
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you want to set up folders and the order of apps on the various pages, then no, 
as a blind person, you can't do that. I've heard that sighted people can, but 
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Re: initial comments ipad

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Hi William,

Yes, the keyboard is towards the bottom of the screen on apps that take full 
advantage of the IPad layout. If you find yourself having to look more towards 
the middle and it seems cramped, look for the button near the bottom right 
corner that will let you switch to full screen mode. This happens when you have 
an iphone app that doesn't have a separate IPad implementation. Hitting the 
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Re: have the ipad

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I personally dislike landscape mode and use it only when an app forces it on 
me. But your opinion may differ. I think you'll be ok with getting your data 
onto the IPad once you sign up for ICloud on that device. I'm not sure how to 
get apps onto an IPad from ICloud, but if nothing else, you can always synch up 
to your mac or pc via ITunes, assuming you had your other Idevice backed up 
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Re: which is preferable: ipad or ipod touch?

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The point of my statement re the dock wasn't that you couldn't use it with an 
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Re: which is preferable: ipad or ipod touch?

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I use my IPad for some web surfing and a lot of book reading, both Ibooks and 
audible, plus radio listening with Tunein, Iblink etc. And I use the Zite app a 
lot as well as an rss reader. I've used it with Ariadne gps and with Navigon 
when in a car. I have the 3g model, which makes that possible. I've lately 
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Re: which is preferable: ipad or ipod touch?

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You could also get a dock with a speaker for your IPod touch which would give 
you good sound at less than what you'd pay for the IPad. I really do use mine 
for a lot of book reading without benefit of headset. The larger screen can be 
problematic for some things, and you can't stick an IPad into your pocket. I 
bought mine when the price dropped after they came out with the IPad 2. I'm not 
at all sure I could justify paying full price for it; I definitely wouldn't 
have a 64gb model with 3g if I'd had to pay full retail. 

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Re: which is preferable: ipad or ipod touch?

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Yes, the IPad has notably better sound if you're talking about using its built 
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Re: iPod Touch Internal speaker, not bad!

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I would be curious to hear from anybody who has heard both the 3rd and current 
gen IPod touch speakers. I own the 3rd gen and while I  agree that it is 
certainly usable except for music, where it really wouldn't be expected to do 
well, I still find it sufficiently lacking that I don't listen to it for long 
periods of time. Yes, it is perfectly understandable, but it is so lacking in 
mid-range and bass that the listening experience just isn't that great. I guess 
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Re: Kindle Books and Mac Access

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Yes there is some accessibility on the Kindle, Glen. But the question was, are 
Kindle books accessible on a Mac, and the answer to that is no, they are not. 
There are other sources for e-books, as Anne has pointed out. but Kindle on the 
Mac is a no go unless you strip out the drm using processes which have been 
documented elsewhere and are not something the average person would mess with 
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Re: Kindle Books and Mac Access

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No, Kindle books are not accessible on the Mac. There might be a way to jump 
through a bunch of hoops and lose the drm and thus be able to access them. but 
if you're talking about normal regular access that sighted people take for 
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Re: Lumin iPhone iPod iPad app

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A one liner about what this does would be nice, rather than expecting us all to 
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Re: Adaptive Trivia

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Hi Ian,
Where did you find this app? I checked the Mac app store and found nothing with 
that title. Is this an IOS or a Mac app?

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Re: Electing A Default Email Acount on iPad

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Hi Dane,
Seems to me that the way to elect the default can be found in the settings, 
mail, accounts area. My Ipad's not at hand right here, but I beliefe that's 
where I found it.

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Re: Niticing some rather interesting behaviour on my iPad and Mail

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Yes, Dane, I have noticed that same sluggishness in mail on the IPad when 
selecting messages after pressing the "edit" button. There is quite a 
difference with the touch screen as opposed to doing the same operation with a 
keyboard. The touchscreen is much worse. It was suggested that memory could be 
the problem, since I have the older IPad. But I've noted that even with nothing 
in the app switcher, and Safari tabs cleaned out, I still have sluggish 
responsiveness on the IPad when selecting messages for eventual deletion in 
Mail. Interestingly, this does not happen on the old Ipod touch 3rd gen, which 
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Re: SoupMaster iPhone App currently free

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Thanks so much, Esther. This is the perfect time of hear to find this kind of 
app, and I'm sure I'd have missed it if you hadn't pointed it out.

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Re: Siri changes lives?

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Dane,
I think I missed the reference you posted. I've seen some siri-related 
articles, one from TUAW for instance. But the example you gave where you could 
tell Siri to have Siri do a fairly complex task that would involve two or 3 
apps if you were doing it on your own manually was interesting. Makes me think 
I haven't seen the full explanation of what Siri can do. 

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Re: Reading ibooks on Lion

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Paul,
You can't read a drm epub book on your Imac as far as I am aware, and that's 
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Re: apps, ICloud and multiple IOS devices

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Hi Zach,

I thought one of the things you could do with ICloud was synch things other 
than calendars and the like. I actually just set up an me.com address on my 
IPad, but I don't have any intention of activating it on my IPod. So I want 
ICloud to deal with Mail on the Pad but not the Pod. Or take Navigon, which I 
want on the Pad and not the Pod. On the other hand, I have quite a bit more 
music on my IPod than on the IPad and want to keep it that way, so I have 
different play lists synched up through ITunes for each device. I don't see a 
problem with contacts or calendars. Documents could be different, since I tend 
to use the IPad for that purpose. So maybe ICloud is a bad idea for me. It 
seems convenient, but it seems Apple assumes everybody wants to propagate 
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apps, ICloud and multiple IOS devices

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I have an IPad and an IPod touch, and I don't have the same apps on each. This 
is possible when you synch to your Mac via ITunes by going into the apps 
listings and selecting those apps that you want on each device. Kind of time 
consuming if you've built up a lot of apps, but worth it. The same is true for 
my music collection and my devices. I would like to be able to use ICloud to 
synch my devices. But since ICloud is connected to an apple id, not each device 
separately, it seems that it is not possible to selectively synch different 
items to each individual ios device. Does anybody have a solution for this? 
What am I overlooking?

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icloud

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Hi all,

If this is a stupid question, I apologize in advance. It appears from what I 
have read that there is no granularity with ICloud. That is, if you enable 
something, such as music or books or documents etc on more than one device, all 
of your books, documents etc will be pushed to all of your devices where the 
particular category is enabled. Thus, there seems to be no way to differentiate 
among devices, e.g. if you have one IDevice with a larger capacity than another 
one and thus don't want all your music on both devices, you can't use Icloud 
for that category on the device with less capacity . Right? I wonder what 
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Re: iCloud wasn't syncing my contacts, a discovery

[Mary Otten]

Hi Zach,

I think I read that people using SL don't get ICloud, and I'm not seeing it, so 
I think that must be right. So if I get an IPhone and want to put a bunch of 
contacts into ICloud, how would I do that? 

Mary

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Re: iBooks in IOS5

[Mary Otten]

James, I also have hyphenation turned off. But I noted Anne said her issue 
wasn't with a commercial IBook. The only things I have in IBooks are those I've 
gotten from the IBook store.

mary

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Re: iBooks in IOS5

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I'm not seeing the repeat words problem either with my IPod touch. There was a 
very recent upgrade of IBooks. Maybe that solves the problem?

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Re: iOS 5 Newsstand Magazines/Newspapers are *NOT* VoiceOver Accessible

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Sounds too familiar. Kindle all over again. Just like the images that you get 
in Wolfram Alpha when asking Siri. Steps in the wrong direction.

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