Re: Fwd: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-10 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Another way to promote CB that I just thought of, why not get an article in The Perl Review? I know it's not a huge audience, but I do know chromatic usually lists what's in the latest issue when he puts out the O'Reilly Perl newsletter. I just thought of something else too, maybe an

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Robert Hicks
Sherm Pendley wrote: On May 7, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Chris Nandor wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherm Pendley) wrote: I need donations to CamelBones. Or web hosting customers. Or consulting clients. Or a plain old-fashioned job. Or something - and I need it soon.

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Sun, May 06, 2007 at 05:07:46PM -0400: Sherm Pendley mangled some bits into this alignment: On May 6, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Alex Robinson wrote: I wish even more that Apple had picked you up and made CamelBones a first class citizen. Good news: That may still happen. Good news indeed.

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Tue, May 08, 2007 at 05:25:35PM -0400: Sherm Pendley mangled some bits into this alignment: On May 7, 2007, at 6:23 AM, David Cantrell wrote: On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Alex Robinson wrote: Why did the OS X loving bit of the perl

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Hi all, I have blogged a bit about Camel Bones here on O'Reilly. Please comment if you would so that the python person who commented is not the sole comment. Nothing personal against python but it sucks. http://www.oreillynet.com/mac/blog/2007/05/developing_with_camel_bones_pe_1.html

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Vic Norton
On 5/8/07, at 5:25 PM -0400, Sherm Pendley wrote: It's not just in Mac circles either - there's a very widespread misconception that Perl is useful for system admins, web developers, and little else. One thing I find personally frustrating is the corollary, that Perl *programmers* must

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Bruce Van Allen
On 5/9/07 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I have blogged a bit about Camel Bones here on O'Reilly. Please comment if you would so that the python person who commented is not the sole comment. Nothing personal against python but it sucks. But let's not turn this into a battle in the best language wars.

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Jeremiah Foster
Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:55:54AM -0700: Bruce Van Allen mangled some bits into this alignment: On 5/9/07 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I have blogged a bit about Camel Bones here on O'Reilly. Please comment if you would so that the python person who commented is not the sole comment. Nothing

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Bruce Van Allen
On 5/9/07 Jeremiah Foster wrote: Wed, May 09, 2007 at 08:55:54AM -0700: Bruce Van Allen mangled some bits into this alignment: On 5/9/07 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I have blogged a bit about Camel Bones here on O'Reilly. Please comment if you would so that the python person who commented is not

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Sherm Pendley
On May 9, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Bruce Van Allen wrote: On 5/9/07 Jeremiah Foster wrote: I have blogged a bit about Camel Bones here on O'Reilly. Please comment if you would so that the python person who commented is not the sole comment. Nothing personal against python but it sucks. But let's

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Sherm Pendley
On May 9, 2007, at 11:51 AM, Vic Norton wrote: On 5/8/07, at 5:25 PM -0400, Sherm Pendley wrote: It's not just in Mac circles either - there's a very widespread misconception that Perl is useful for system admins, web developers, and little else. One thing I find personally frustrating is the

Fwd: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Tom Yarrish
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just figured out that this only went to Jeremiah. Begin forwarded message: From: Tom Yarrish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: May 9, 2007 9:11:08 AM CDT To: Jeremiah Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food! -BEGIN PGP

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Daniel T. Staal
On Wed, May 9, 2007 3:50 pm, Sherm Pendley said: So, the next version - 1.2 release, preceded by 1.1.x betas - will also be licensed under the same terms: GPL or Artistic, your choice. I wouldn't have had a problem with a commercial program using CB anyway, even before the license change -

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Bruce Van Allen
On 5/9/07 Peter N Lewis wrote: Perhaps folks have some ideas for apps that could be written in CamelBones? Something that would presumably use some of the vast CPAN facilities to make something cool with minimal programming effort. Mine would not be as flashy as games, but I'm working toward

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-09 Thread Chris Devers
On May 9, 2007, at 4:32 PM, Daniel T. Staal wrote: Macs desperately _need_ a an app to manage third-party software updates. Something that you could run periodically to keep software up to date, avoiding having every seprate program connect to the internet on startup and check for itself.

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-08 Thread Sherm Pendley
On May 7, 2007, at 11:44 AM, Chris Nandor wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherm Pendley) wrote: I need donations to CamelBones. Or web hosting customers. Or consulting clients. Or a plain old-fashioned job. Or something - and I need it soon. Have you considered a

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-08 Thread Sherm Pendley
On May 7, 2007, at 6:23 AM, David Cantrell wrote: On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Alex Robinson wrote: Why did the OS X loving bit of the perl community sit by and let PyObjC become the default bridge. Because the vast majority of perl people

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-08 Thread John G. Keating
Sherm et al., I know that a great deal of Bioinformatics people also use Perl ... and Macs! If some of the framework could be shown how it would be good for these people to use Camelbones, maybe that would help with takeup. I tend to just use the Tk library for all my UI stuff (or web

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-08 Thread Jonathan Levi, M.D.
At 5:25 PM -0400 5/8/07, Sherm Pendley wrote: there's a very widespread misconception that Perl is useful for system admins, web developers, and little else. One thing I find personally frustrating is the corollary, that Perl *programmers* must be admins or web devs. I find that frustrating

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-07 Thread Alex Robinson
I need donations to CamelBones. Or web hosting customers. Or consulting clients. Or a plain old-fashioned job. Or something - and I need it soon. Good luck Sherm. I wish I had work I could punt your way. I wish even more that Apple had picked you up and made CamelBones a first class citizen.

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-07 Thread David Cantrell
On Sun, May 06, 2007 at 08:25:49PM +0100, Alex Robinson wrote: Why did the OS X loving bit of the perl community sit by and let PyObjC become the default bridge. Because the vast majority of perl people who moved to OS X did so because it was Unix That

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-07 Thread Chris Nandor
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sherm Pendley) wrote: I need donations to CamelBones. Or web hosting customers. Or consulting clients. Or a plain old-fashioned job. Or something - and I need it soon. Have you considered a Perl Foundation Grant? Surely this is more

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-07 Thread Joseph Alotta
I need donations to CamelBones. Or web hosting customers. Or consulting clients. Or a plain old-fashioned job. Or something - and I need it soon. Hi Sherm, I have some work for you. I use ruby and the mechanize object to pull down pages off the web and parse them. There is a lot of

Re: CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-06 Thread Sherm Pendley
On May 6, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Alex Robinson wrote: I wish even more that Apple had picked you up and made CamelBones a first class citizen. Good news: That may still happen. So, why has Apple ignored CamelBones? They asked around internally for sponsor engineers to accept the job of

CamelBones: Will hack for food!

2007-05-05 Thread Sherm Pendley
Okay, the subject is sensationalistic - I'm not in danger of starving, and neither are my cats. But, I am less than two weeks away from losing my internet connection and web server. I'm broke and unemployed, or whatever the term is for owning a business that has zero paying customers. I