There are quite a number of shortcomings, actually, but I’m going to
concentrate on three which are fundamental and very obvious if you are a
habitual braille user on other platforms. In general my bar for braille
support is: you can use it with speech off, or you don’t have braille support.
Hi!
ONe thing thats annoying for me as an old jaws and window eyes and dolphin user
is that i can not move the display individually around the screen without
hearing the speech.
This is quite frustrating to me.
To explain this better.
Lets say you’re in a dialog box.
I haven’t been able to only u
Hi Blee and others.
I quit upgrading my mac, but am hoping to bring a mac with EL Cap
online soon to test the latest build. The other issue, beyond what
you've outlined quite well, is that I cannot get the rotor to work on
the braille display. I can press space with dots 2-3 or 5-6 to move to
the n
Just for the record, I'm not sure how much my letter did for Xcode. Apple had
been steadily improving Xcode accessibility for years, just not at a pace I'd
like, and version 7 still doesn't address many of my concerns. The processes
are easier and more reliable, certainly, but VO users still fol
Perhaps we could get with Applevis and write an open letter to Apple about
braille. Not just for the Mac, but for the phone too, as there are some huge
annoyances there too. The open letter seemed to help with xCode so maybe
braille can get it next.
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> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:
Also, the italics and such in webpages still don't show the braille signs for
it. Formatting just isn't so good in braille. Still is for both the Mac and
iOS.
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Thanks, I tried to word it reasonably well, and I'm glad at least some others
are having the same issues. I guess all we can do is send feedback and maybe
they'll pay attention.
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Yeah, I can't test the misspelled thing because I turn autocorrect and
predictive off on everything. And yet still some applications try to correct
things or tell me about misspelled words but that's another thread.
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I think the whole misspelled thing in the status bar could be fixed with dots 7
or 8 showing under the word.
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> On Oct 5, 2015, at 7:50 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
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> This is a well presented message and reflects a lot of my feeling as well. I
> do not have the driver prob
This is a well presented message and reflects a lot of my feeling as well. I
do not have the driver problems you have, I’m using a Focus 40 Blue but the
cursor routing is a real problem. I find the key assignment features difficult
to master, things are really inconsistent like I could map spa
I do agree, I think Apple Braille support should be much better and farther
along than it is. As someone proposed, I wonder if there are no braille
readers on the various development or testing teams. Hard to believe but what
other excuse do they have?
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 2:50 PM, Anders Hol
I have a display but I may be hitting different bugs than others so I wouldn't
mind a list either. I have noticed that cursor routing is useless because there
is no separate braille cursor or braille doesn't follow the system cursor it
just moves the voiceover cursor which isn't what should hap
Indeed, I'd love to have more specifics about braille under OS X to pass along
to the rest of the AppleVis team and to keep an eye on in future updates. I
don't have a display I can test with right now, unfortunately.
> On Oct 4, 2015, at 18:30, E.T. wrote:
>
> Sabahattin and others,
> The to
Sabahattin and others,
The topic of braille support in OS X comes up occasionally but I
have not seen a list of the shortcomings. Is there one? I have used my
braille display mostly with iOS but am interested in putting it to work
under OS X. Then I can add my voice to the clamor and let App
Hello All,
As I sit here in the lobby of a hotel and reflect on the vendors I had a chance
to visit with, I'm disheartened to know That the braille displays cost are out
of my league. The Bum Vario 20 Cell at $2400 and the Smart Beetle at $1300. I
gave up quickly after getting my MacBook Air 2
Hi!
If the braille support was like in the screenreader cobra which i’ve tested.
Then i could stop using windows.
Also if we could get drivers for the most used brailleprinters that would be a
great step forward.
/A
> 2 okt. 2015 kl. 16:52 skrev Mary Otten :
>
> Well, obviously none of us knows t
Hi!
Well if they have an accessible team they should know braille.
They for example asked me how some swedish signs were displayed on my braille
display when i was complaining.
/A
> 2 okt. 2015 kl. 15:35 skrev Mary Otten :
>
> For whatever the reason, I simply don't think Apple has higher the exp
Aggree braille in OS X is atrocious.
This is one of the reasons I still keep around a Windows installation.
Yours truly,
Sadam Ahmed
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> On 3 Oct 2015, at 4:50 am, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Well maybe you’re right but its very frustrating that br
Hi!
Well maybe you’re right but its very frustrating that braille hasn’t come very
far on the mac.
/A
> 2 okt. 2015 kl. 14:14 skrev Scott Granados :
>
> If Apple were a european company or especially German company they would have
> faked it so the braille support only worked in the government a
All of this speculation is wonderful, but I can’t see it happening unless Apple
actually sees any mainstream potential in a tactile display. For right now
that leaves us with a subsystem that doesn’t work. I guess that means we’ll
continue to use Windows and our favourite screen reader, or Lin
Out here, you have to really prove that you need a display in order to get one.
And of course, if you're not employed, or not a student who can show a definite
need for a braille display, as so many or not, then forget it. You can't get
help with anything. I think that is not the case in Europe.
I have to admit to living in the Stone Age here, but didn't some of that stuff
like bold and italics and how it is represented change with the implementation
of u e be?
Mary
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> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:45 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>
> Perhaps they don't really know that a problem
Well, obviously none of us knows the reason why braille especially on the Mac
is not very good. I actually don't really think the braille on the screen of a
device is going to be all that wonderful or practical. The problem isn't the
display. It is the support for braille. I wish Apple could hi
Let alone the porn possibilities!
:)
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
>
> Sure. They could make the home button into a sort of reactive button, where
> you would press on the raised metal button, it would click, 3d touch, and
> would depress like a regular button. Tellephone
Lol a phone would be too small for real porn application, maybe the iPad would
be better. But this is metal, it couldn't really show too much tactilly.
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> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:57 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> Let alone the porn possibilities!
>
> :)
>
>> On Oct 2, 2015, at
Sure. They could make the home button into a sort of reactive button, where you
would press on the raised metal button, it would click, 3d touch, and would
depress like a regular button. Tellephone keys, little keyboard keys for
typing, feelable icons, it'd all make sense, especially sense 3d to
Perhaps they don't really know that a problem exists? But surely braille users
have commented, so maybe they just don't know what to do. But Apple has
patented that flexible metal, so they could eventually do it. Then again,
perhaps they mean for us to just type on the keyboard and use braille f
Again, we do this in my state. Blind persons can get what ever adaptive
equipment especially for work. This could be radically different state to
state though.
You don’t need braille displays though to be literate in braille and teach /
learn. I imagine it helps but they definitely didn’t exi
I’m not sure about that either because I know they do hire good quality people
even for accessibility efforts so I’m not sure it’s that simple. I heard about
the patent for the reactive metal but I can’t imagine that being practical
unless it has some benefit for the sited as well.
> On Oct 2
I haven't seen any statistics lately, but I have heard in the past that Europe
had a much higher literacy rate for Braille than we do. That is not
surprising given the cost of the hardware, and the fact that, at least as far
as I understand it, it is subsidized, so that all the blind people wh
For whatever the reason, I simply don't think Apple has higher the expertise
they need to get braille right. I think this notion of them doing something
special with braille on the screen is nonsense. If I'm wrong and proven wrong,
so be it. But I really do believe the problem is they don't know
One thing I've always hated is that the Mac nor iOS has support for Italics.
That really gets on my nerves how they just be lazy and treat every font change
like just a separate element and not just show italics.
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> On Oct 2, 2015, at 8:09 AM, Scott Davert wrote:
>
> No, it
I sort of think Apple has something big planned though. I've read that they
have their own patent for sort of elastic and shapable metal, so that the metal
could form dots and such. I don't know if they'll do that, or just keep
supporting braille displays, but the lack of new fixes in braille le
No, it's not just you. Braille support is still sub-par in many cases
on OSX, with bugs I've reported 2 years ago still not fixed. Because I
only have one mac, and am heavily dependent on it, I cannot put betas
on it or risk upgrading because I'm afraid of the bugs I may
encounter. I'm still runnin
Maybe not but we don’t lie about it either.:) That whole VW / AUDI / PORSCHE
thing cracks me up especially from a country that claims to be so green.
I don’t know about the braille literacy thing either to be fair. Now this may
have changed, I fully admit when I was in public school we still h
Nah Anders, I feel your pain completely. Even iOS has acceptable braille
support, so it’s not as if they couldn’t port that over to OS X. Clearly
nobody at Apple uses or cares about braille. Probably because it doesn’t make
them any money from hardware sales. Kinda tragic.
Hey Scott, you ca
BTW, I meant that tongue and cheek, I am in total agreement with you. Apple’s
braille support needs a lot of work and it’s inexcusable how bad it is now.
> On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:11 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
>
> Hi!
> Oh dear.
> Soon i will give up on this as they do not seem to prioritize brai
If Apple were a european company or especially German company they would have
faked it so the braille support only worked in the government agency’s office
responsible for certifying braille support. It would have failed in the real
world. Sort of the same philosophy as the German Auto manufac
Hi!
Oh dear.
Soon i will give up on this as they do not seem to prioritize braille at all.
If apple was a german or European company there’s no doubt that the braille
support will be better.
It took us forever to get good braille support for Jaws.
Also for window eyes but its there.
Nvda has suppo
Hello all,
I was reading the bug and feature report of Kris , thx for that.
As announced in that blog, there was not much braille testing with 10.11 while
this is for me and others important.
Some first remarks:
1. It happens often that I have braille on the display but I can’t move
around.
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