To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: huge mail problems still
Hi,
Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me,
however, having the information read in the order that it is presented
works
well for me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether
yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me.
how do i change this so i can access them?
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On Dec 19, 2013, at 11:33 PM, Nicholas Parsons
mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com wrote:
The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the
it looks like the only way to change the column order and work with them is to
use classic view. Hopefully I am mistaken in this.
On Dec 20, 2013, at 6:27 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
yes, i have this issue too but the items you mentioned are all dimmed for me.
how do i change
Hi Nicholas,
Yes I get conversation thread information announced last too, but it has
stopped bothering me. If I want to know if something is a conversation, I press
right arrow. If it opens. it is a conversation, and if it doesn’t open, it’s
not a conversation.
Cheers
Lisette
.
On
Hi,
Perhaps I am not in quite as much of a hurry as some people. For me, however,
having the information read in the order that it is presented works well for
me. I hear the subject a brief preview and whether or not the message is part
of a thread. I listen to as little or as much of this
command.
Eileen
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Carter
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 1:12 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: huge mail problems still
Hi,
Perhaps I am not in quite
The main problem for me with Mavericks Mail is that the read/unread status of
messages, and the number of messages in the thread, are announced last by
VoiceOver when navigating through the message list. This slows my progress
significantly as I have to wait for VoiceOver to announce everything
Nic!
have you tried changing the order of columns in your mail? I did it using
classic view a long time ago and don't know if you can do it with standard view
but it might be worth checking out. Unless, of course, I am misunderstanding
your message.
Jim
On Dec 19, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Nicholas
HI. that’s vo j not command j. I’m not even sure what that command does.
I hope this helps
Maria and Joe Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:22 am, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:
Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter
on each
Hi. not having any problems in classic view either. I didn’t do anything to
the preview pain though.
Warm regards and blessings
Maria, Joe and FurBabies
Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec 2013, at 8:09 am, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Like Robert, I
Hi Mary,
I am using standard view with threading.
Robert Carter
On Dec 17, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Robert,
Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or
not?
Mary
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On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM,
Hi,
I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup setting that says check for
new messages set to automatic. I do not have the problem of constantly getting
interrupted when new mail comes in. Perhaps you receive a lot more mail than I
do but this just isn’t an issue for me.
Robert Carter
It seems like the only time I ever hear the one row added is when I am
interacted with the message. If not and just reading by pressing enter on it I
never hear that.
On Dec 18, 2013, at 7:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I am also using gmail with IMAP. I have the popup
fine, but it is for me. I just thought others might want to report it to
accessibility as I did. I get about 2000 mails a day, some more than 30 pages
in length. you can see how I would be constantly interupted.
Alia
On Dec 18, 2013, at 8:32 AM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
voiceover still says ‘one row added’ while trying to read mail. it also doesn’t
focus on the message when you do ‘vo/j’ on a message. It keeps you in the
message list so when you go to review text you aren’t actually focused on the
message at all, but still on the inbox list.
Alia
--
You
VO has said 1 row added since Snow Leopard, it is not just a mail thing, it
happens in any table wher additional rows are in fact, added.
If VO J isn’t working for you, try simply pressing enter on a message you wish
to read, and when you’re done, press command w.
You can have an off day, but
this is untrue. when reading mail in lion vo did not say one row added in
classic view or modern view. It did say it in conversation view, but when you
vo/j on a message it read normally. I read hundreds of mail messages before
upgrading to mavericks, and when you were focused on the text of a
Well, it has always done it for me no matter what view I used.
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
richr...@gmail.com
On Dec 17, 2013, at 7:26 AM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
this is untrue. when reading mail in
Hi guys,
I know this is far from a solution, more just my curiosity but, why not just
press enter or command O on the message instead of VO J? For starters, your
pressing less keys. Second, it works 100% of the time. When your done, hit
backspace to delete or, command W to close the window
When what you are used to doing doesn't work for you, it is time to move on and
try something else. Vo-j is no longer the best way to handle mail so it's time
to adapt in my opinion.
--
Cheryl
Go beyond the Christmas story this year;
meet Immanuel (God with us),
Jesus, the crucified Savior,
Hi,
I’m using VO+j to jump from the message list table to the content of a mail
message. It works perfectly for me. I see no reason not to use return if that
also works. I have the preview pane turned on and am using mail in its default
view.
I would love to know what is different about what
Good advice from Ricardo, backspace to delete.
Here in Mountain Lion i need to have full screen in Mail to get Vo + j to work.
Maybe you need to have full screen in Maverick Mail too?
Take care
17. des. 2013 kl. 14:26 skrev alia robinson ali...@gmail.com:
this is untrue. when reading mail in
In Mavericks, enter works most of the time, but I have had it fail on me. Also,
in ML, enter opened a message and read it immediately. In Mavericks, though,
the message opens, VO reads the subject as expected, and then it reads the
sender's name followed by several clicks. There is then a
Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of
course, new messages will add a new row. I have had this behavior going back
to, at least, Leopard. The only time you might not is if you are not
interacting with the message table.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
I know what the new click means, but VO clicks five times after the sender's
name where it should click only once. I wouldn't mind so much if the delay
wasn't there. I am not sure about html versus text, but I can tell you that ML
never did this to me - messages always opened immediately, and
Use the sound effects help in the VoiceOver help menu. There are several
new sounds for different elements. This is why you hear various sounds when
you open a mail message. To me, some are quite helpful.
I also think that whether the mail message is HTML or plain text/rich text
makes
If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system
preferences.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, one row added will be spoken because the inbox is a table and, of
course, new messages will add a new
The problem for me with pressing Return on a message instead of VO-J, is that
the message subject and folder you're in is spoken first before the message
itself. That adds up to a huge amount of extra verbiage when you read hundreds
of messages a day.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness
Exactly, and that's why I usually use vo-a as soon as the message opens. In
Mavericks, this won't work since the message usually takes so long to load. The
clicks don't anny me, and I appreciate them when reading text where something
like an embedded address is detected. It is more that there
Hi,
I am using a 2012 retina MacBook Pro. When I am on the message list in mail and
press vo+j, the body of the message is read immediately by VoiceOver. I do not
experience any delay at all.
Robert Carter
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly, and that's
Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to
be the exception rather than the rule, I think Apple Accessibility needs to let
us know what the magic ingredient is to getting VO-J behaving 100% of the time
in Mail as it used to.
For now the work-around I'v
This is the same for me. I prefer VO-j over the enter method for the
reasons Alex and others have expressed in this thread. I only wanted to point
out the sounds you were hearing and why.
Take Care
John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email,
Hi,
If you get rid of the Preview Pane so that pressing return/enter opens the
message, then the “one row added” does not happen and the focus is directly on
the message that you’re reading.
Later…
Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:04 AM, alia robinson
Hmmm. I don’t experience the delay at all that Alex is speaking of when I use
the return method. It does read the subject though which hasn’t bothered me
much. Sometimes, I just VO-left then VO-right and it starts reading the
message if I don’t feel like listening to the subject.
Later…
no, you can’t disable it.
Alia
On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:03 AM, Jessica D jldai...@gmail.com wrote:
If you find it to be annoying I think you can disable it somewhere in system
preferences.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes,
exactly, and it worked fine before mavericks and now doesn’t. I am kind of put
off by people saying just get used to doing it differently. Obviously something
that was working is no longer working, imo that is a bug, and how many bugs am
I supposed to be expected to “put up with” before the
Hi,
On my machine, a mid 2010 macbook pro, there is no real latency between
pressing enter and control O and the message opening.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:36 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than
not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If I
want to open a link, or review text I have to vo down and interact with text.
that is far more work if I forget to do it, and it’s never
I use item chooser.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:00 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
for me enter never interacts with text, yes it reads it, but more often than
not I am on the header field, and the currsor isn’t tracking as it reads. If
I want to open a link, or
HI. with me at least, vo j just reads the text of the message. if you press
enter or command o you hear who it’s from and their email address etc. It just
seems a bit quicker to me. I’m not having any problems with vo j though.
Blessings!
maria and Joe chapman
Email, iMessage fb:
HI. when you press vo j to read a message, turn quick nav on and you should be
able to interact with the text of the message. to select part of a message to
copy and paste press enter on the message to open it. I hope this helps.
Cheers
Maria
sent from mac mini
email, fb
that is my point. I can’t press vo/j to read mail anymore because of the one
row added announcements that didn’t used to happen, and if you open it with
enter or command o you aren’t in the text field to be able to interact you
either have to vo down and interact with text, or use the item
Hi. if you jget a 1 row added just interact with the text and press vo a to
continue reading.
It shouldn’t really interrupt that much. Unless you’re getting lots of mail
coming in.
I hope this helps
Cheers
Maria
sent from mac mini
email, fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
skype bubbygirl1972
Hi,
When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message
starts reading immediately. If there is a link or something in the message that
I need to activate, I simply down arrow to it. I have been reading mail this
way at least since Lion and certainly in Mountain Lion.
Hi. it’s the same for me, accept if quick nav is turned off and I’ve pressed
vo j then try to arrow through a message it reads the message list, but this
works fine if quick nav is on.
Warm regards and blessings
Maria, Joe and FurBabies
Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec
I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap
you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every
couple of minutes. for the amount of mail I get it makes it unuseable. they
will either have to fix it or I guess I will have to live with
when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’
has been doing this since the upgrade.
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:59 PM, ROBERT CARTER nc5rn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
When I am on the messages list and I press VO+J the text of the mail message
starts reading
Hi all!
I've been sitting here all morning with my email open and reading lots of
messages. I've tried to replicate problems that some seem to be having and I
can't. I usually just press enter to open an email and press backspace or
delete to get rid of a message. I also did vo-j and had no
HI. I’m not sure that its broken. I think vo is just letting you know that a
new message has come in. this might be important information for some. If I
press enter on a message vo automatically reads it to me. it’s just that I
don’t necessarily want to hear the email address and stuff
What exactly is the hard way?
Jim
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:02 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
I am getting a lot of mail, and it does interfere greatly for me. with imap
you can’t tell it to do manual retrieval, so yes, it is interupting me every
couple of minutes. for the amount
Hey Ricardo,
You use mail exactly the way I use, just enter on a message to open and
backspace to delete it. Can you confirm to me that in Mavericks this still
works fine. I use classic view in mail, and haven't wanted to upgrade to
Mavericks because of all the mail issues but it sounds like
HI. I’m not really having any problems either. I prefer to use vo j but
either way works just fine.
If I get the 1 row added message I either just arrow down with quick nav on to
read the rest of the message or do a vo a.
Blessings!
maria and Joe chapman
Email, iMessage fb:
if I do a return or a command O am not focusing in the text fields, so I have
to vo down or use item chooser to get to links in mail. If I am doing vo/j
alone the currsor moves as it reads. It makes working with links in mail more
difficult.
Alia
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Jim Gatteys
Hi just press vo a and the rest of the message should resume reading.
hth
Warm regards and blessings
Maria, Joe and FurBabies
Email: iMessage:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:04 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and
If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail
message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for vo-j. seems
like a lot of extra keystrokes. I have to turn on quick nag if I do vo-j. Can
somebody explain?
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:11 PM, alia
I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message it becomes
tedious. I am simply saying for me, who gets long messages, and lots of them it
is making mail unmanageable, that is all. I appreciate help and suggestions,
truly I do, but when the work arounds are becoming this
It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to
text.
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
If I open a message with the return key it puts me in the body of the mail
message. Maybe I'm missing something but I can't see the need for
I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at
the first of a mail message when I press return to open.
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:16 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
It puts me in headers, almost everytime. I always have to vo down to get to
text.
On Dec
I used to be able to read messages fine. Only if I was in the message list did
it say ‘one row added’ once I interacted with text it didn’t read that at all.
It is since the upgrade to mavericks, and as I said some of my emails are pages
long, so I am doing this ten times an email.
Alia
On
HI.
If I press return or command o I get from and maybe their email address
etc. When I press backspace to delete I get inbox iPhone message 1 of xxx etc.
If I press vo j I hear the text of the message straight up and then when I
press back space it just tells me the next message
Are you saying you have to interact with a message to read it? I do not have
to do this, only if I want a link or event or some specific info but just
reading I just press enter.
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:18 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
I used to be able to read messages fine. Only
HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it
should be optional for sure though.
Maria and Joe Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:15 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
I realize that, but when it happens five or six times a message
Mine isn’t consistent, at times it does, at times it doesn’t. I have no idea
why.
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
I have to vo-left or right to get into the headers. mine always leaves me at
the first of a mail message when I press return to open.
--
I am saying vo/j no longer works to read mail with imaps enabled. I prefer to
read mail with vo/j since the currsor tracks correctly, and I can click on
links without having to vo down or use the item chooser since enter and command
o sometimes put me in the header field.
On Dec 17, 2013, at
It seems like it would be easy to do. If I write a script I’ll probably blow up
my processor! :)
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
wrote:
HI. that would be a good idea if it’s an option to turn it off. I think it
should be optional for sure though.
Hi.
sorry I don’t know how to write a script either.
regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
check out
www.95-the-mix.com
where we play lots of great music
On 18 Dec 2013, at 5:23 am, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems like it would be easy
Hi Alex,
I’m wondering what your Header detail is set to. In Mail Prefs, in the Viewing
tab, if you have your Header Detail set to all, then it may take more time
blipping through those details. I’ve set mine to Custom and only have things
like From, To, CC, Attachments and Date. I believe
Hmm vo j seems to work every time for me. I wonder why it’s different on some
systems.
Maria and Joe Chapman
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 18 Dec 2013, at 2:56 am, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
Hi Robert, this is heartening, but since your experience on the list seems to
be the
Hi,
You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because
messages kept coming in and interrupting .
Rhonda
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:04 PM, alia robinson ali...@gmail.com wrote:
when new mail comes in it will interput your reading and say ‘one row added’
has been doing
Hi there,
I’m using vo j just fine in standard view. Sometimes, if it doesn’t work
suddenly, restarting mail always solves the problem for me. I think it’s just a
focus issue which this update hasn’t sorted out, but is probably wider than
mail.
On 18/12/2013, at 2:26 am, alia robinson
Please tell meow you are reading mail in standard view? I just press enter on
each message once they have been deleted. Is there another better way? I
don’t do command J.
Thanks.
Kawal.
On 17 Dec 2013, at 21:09, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:
Like Robert, I am
Like Robert, I am noticing no issues with mail in Mavericks. I am in standard
view with preview pane turned on.
I am interacting with the messages table and it all works really fine. I know
some people prefer classic view and/or their preview pain turned off. Maybe
this is the difference.
I
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the Mac
and I have been using the enter key, but needed to use CMD-W to close the email
and then use the backspace key to delete it. Your method to me is more
efficient when reviewing a tremendous amount of
Hi Robert,
Are you using standard or classic view? And are you using threaded view or not?
Mary
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 17, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Robert,
Thanks for your tip on reading mail using VO-J. I am relatively new to the
Mac and I
don’t think you can with gmail and imap. I checked that setting and I just get
email anyway.
Alia
On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Rhonda Hornbacher rhondahornbac...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
You may want to check manually fetch mail, that is how I have it set because
messages kept coming in and
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