floating on top.
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Yes, but being on a shaky, leaky canoe ready to sink or capsize on
top of a cesspool is still not a very nice place to be.
;-)
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This is a known problem and Google appears to not give a damn about fixing it.
Please see:
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/I+use+Gmail-Googlemail%2C+but+I+can%27t+tell+if+any+of+my+messages+have+been+posted+to+the+list
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back in, then just add the second one. You need
them both so it listens on both port 25 and the alternate port.
That will do what you want and maintain the original sendmail functionality.
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it
wastes bandwidth and because it leaves a big hole open for abuse.
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
Dragon wrote:
MTAs are designed to deliver mail to the correct host based on the MX
record for a given domain.
Except in cases where the recipient domain is one of the MTA's 'local
domains'. In that case, the mail is delivered locally without ever
consulting DNS
address resolution is driven by what is
in the hosts file before it goes out to any DNS server.
More info:
http://tldp.org/LDP/nag/node82.html
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or mail routing to deliver to the appropriate instance for
each domain. However, I don't know exactly how to do that.
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to determine threading order.
Threading in the archive is controlled by References: and
In-Reply-To: headers, not by the Date: header or even the subject line.
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that nothing is like that and I cant believe him.
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No such thing exists. Mailman is an e-mail list manager, not a
web-mail solution like Yahoo or Google groups.
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of the developers could have a look at
what went wrong and see if it is something that could be fixed.
If you did not run it as root, the user you did run as may not have
permission to change the ownership and file permissions to what they
need to be.
Dragon
Michael Welch wrote:
Dragon wrote at 08:06 AM 7/16/2008:
Does there exists some extension/add-on for mailman that would
enabled the www discussion interface? So that its possible to
read/write contributions both with emails and www interface? My
admin keeps telling me that nothing is like
the latest version here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=103
If you have any questions or concerns, please
check the FAQ to see if your question might be
answered there before posting to the list.
Mailman FAQ:
http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Dragon
to remove the offending messages from the mbox
files for the lists and then rebuild the archives without them,
though there are issues with possibly breaking links to messages in
the archives.
Once you have things cleaned up, you can restart mailman and
re-enable archiving.
Dragon
they are posting to the list address and not mistakenly
trying to post using the bounce address.
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provider that allows it, but they
may have other issues for you to deal with (like being blacklisted).
Or you can just live with the restrictions your ISP has imposed on
their shared hosting system.
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contact their technical support (if you can actually get an
answer out of them, they may well ignore your request too).
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Now that the FAQ has migrated to the Wiki, perhaps the links in the
footers of the list messages should be changed to reflect that?
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reminder. You have to click the Unsubscribe or edit
options button to get to the page with the password reminder button.
This really needs to be FAR more obvious. It really should be an item
on the very first page a user sees.
Dragon
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will automatically remove the archives.
Not everyone wants the archives to go away even when a list does. The
safest thing to do is just leave it alone and let the system
administrator deal with it as desired.
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guys like AOL, Yahoo, gmail, etc.)
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things fixed and then restart it afterward. I doubt you will have to
do anything to it, but it can't hurt to be cautious.
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members and I have to search for any
other members individually.
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In version 2.1.10 (NOT anything earlier) you can adjust the number of
users displayed per page by setting admin_member_chunksize on the
General Options page.
Dragon
set that in the Web UI?
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Should be in the list general options. I am not sure, but you may
have to do a Mailman restart to enable it.
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architecture under
pipermail is that the actual archive pages themselves are just static
HTML files and the wrapper script only has the function of setting
and checking an access token in a cookie to access them if the
archive is private.
Dragon
spent getting and using a tool specific to your needs.
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permissions so you would have had to run the
bin/check_perms script with the -f option until you received no
errors (run it as root when you do that).
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not available.
I'm running an RHEL 5 box.
As I stated in my earlier reply, I do have my account set up as part
of the mailman group. I can run mailman scripts with no problem
without having to sudo to anything else.
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If that works, you will have to decide if you want to just keep it
off or go to the trouble of configuring SElinux.
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as output from the newlist script or via the web interface.
Those have to be set up properly so sendmail knows what to do with
the addresses associated to the list.
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Shams Fantar sent the message below at 09:55 4/30/2008:
Dragon wrote:
Did you add the list aliases for the list to the /etc/aliases file and
then run newaliases?
Yes, I did. But when I run newaliases :
WARNING: local host name (;; connection timed out; no servers could be
reached
But the error message he got when he executed newaliases leads me to
believe there is something else that is wrong there. So yeah, I agree
with you Brad that he would be better served with getting help on a
sendmail related forum or one for his OS.
Dragon
receive your mailing.
What you need to do in this case is to process the unsubscribe
notices from mailman and then remove the corresponding e-mail
addresses from the database. This should not be too hard to do with a
script in your favorite language.
Dragon
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:29:57 -0700, Dragon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Zbigniew Szalbot wrote:
Hello,
Just wanted to ask how you manage the following situation:
There is a list of people you keep in an sql database. This database is
edited/updated daily. From
Defaults.py instead of putting
things in mm_cfg.py, those changes will be lost.
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changes that are made in a stable release are often just translation
issues.
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have any effect.
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See:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.062.htp
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Steve Lindemann sent the message below at 14:43 4/3/2008:
Dragon wrote:
Steve Lindemann sent the message below at 12:18 4/3/2008:
The problem - when the list email address is (spoofed) in the From: line
(as well as being on the To: line) the message posts to the list. The
ability to post
to the list post
pointing to the file.
All of this is controllable by file type, if you desired it, you can
allow or scrub some types of attachments while disallowing all others.
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to NO on the Privacy Options -
Recipient filters page.
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is to have require_explicit_destination set to NO
(which is not recommended).
Probably the best way to deal with this in your case with this weird
configuration is to have the gmail address you are sending to added
to acceptable_aliases on the Privacy Options - Recipient filters page.
Dragon
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It's in the FAQ. How did you search for it?
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.004.htp
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not offer this
functionality. It would require some custom code to implement.
The only other option you have is to place these members on moderated
posting and have a human play traffic cop.
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to inject the message to. The queuename must be
one of the directories inside the qfiles directory. If omitted, the
incoming queue is used.
filename is the name of the plaintext message file to inject. If omitted,
standard input is used.
Dragon
info:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?query=on+behalf+ofquerytype=simplecasefold=yesreq=search
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.
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.
There is really nothing anyone can do about it unless and until Google
decides to change it. Your users either have to live with it or use a
different service.
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heirarchy. Red Hat moves things around and if you are using Plesk or
Cpanel, they move things too (and support for them is out of the scope of
this list as they haven't shared their changes back to the mailman
project).
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in the
Mailman distribution you can edit and then install using crontab.
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.
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script. Maybe this approach will
work for you too.
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understand that this is
a volunteer effort, nobody gets paid for it and you aren't paying
anything to obtain or use the software to those volunteer developers.
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developers
(Mark Sapiro) is telling you that his is not desirable should be an
indication that the way it functions is probably not going to change.
Which leaves you with basically two options, develop the changes you
want yourself or live with the way it works.
Dragon
these for troubleshooting?
I'd just like to see some of the NDRs.
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Is there some way you can have the -bounces address deliver to both
the mailman queue and a mailbox?
I know that is possible with sendmail but I am unsure about your setup.
Dragon
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in
the last week or so.
As Mark has both pointed out, see FAQ entry 4.039 for more detail:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp
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point I
despise but won't try to argue. Thankfully, I can configure my lists
the way I prefer to post back to the list).
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in the
install instructions?
Do you have access to the mailman logs?
If so, what does the error log say?
All of that would give folks a starting point to help you, right now
there is simply not enough information.
Dragon
/local/mailman/lists directory:
drwxrwsr-x 9 mailman mailman 4096 Aug 9 09:22 lists
And for a sample list directory:
drwxrwsr-x 3 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 3 09:00 cuisine
If you are running a default installation of mailman, your lists
directories should have the same permissions.
Dragon
Particularly the part about Gmail near the bottom.
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is admin_member_chunksize.
You can change this by using the config_list script -o option to
output the configuration in text format, make the change there and
then re-import it using the -i option of the same script.
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listname
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Is it really necessary to have a fully functioning Mailman
installation to do this?
Would it not be sufficient to have Python installed, a copy of the
dumpdb script and the config.pck file?
Dragon
obscure the fact that the address is used
as bounce processing address.
However, it may not be as simple as just changing an alias depending
on what MTA you are using and how Mailman is set up.
I'd really suggest just leaving it alone.
Dragon
of
Gmail users have complained about it but Google apparently has no
intention of fixing it (last I heard).
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/index.html
Specifically, you want to look at section 6 and follow the guide for
whichever MTA you are using.
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There may be other things in the FAQ that may prove useful, it has a
lot of information. (See the footer to any list post for a link to the FAQ).
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.
Incase you have not gathered, I'm a newbie :)
Hey, we all started somewhere, there's no shame in that.
I'll run through the troubleshoots, thanks for the link
Excellent, report back with your success or more information on the
failure when you get through the steps there.
Dragon
:)
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Run the bin\check_perms script with the -f option until it reports no
errors. You need to be logged in as root to do this.
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mattias wrote:
where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?
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Read the comments in Defaults.py they will tell you what you can set
in mm_cfg.py
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of command line tools and
a web interface but there is no GUI that controls Mailman.
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/newlist it will output a list of
the aliases you need for the list. They must also be added to the
aliases file and newaliases must be run.
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does U mean?
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U = User, meaning the person with that e-mail address went into their
settings page and set their account to No mail.
The other two are as you surmised.
Dragon
at a time.
Why is it so important to do it in one gulp?
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and a leg.
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Larry Stone sent the message below at 14:09 8/29/2007:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Dragon wrote:
Lots of us have done just that. I run my lists on a server owned by a
friend and have pretty much free reign to do whatever I want.
If you can justify the costs of doing so, it is a good solution
script.
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found a previous version of that document to be very clear and
helpful when I first setup Mailman on my server a couple years ago.
BTW, that is the first result returned if you Google on mailman
installation manual.
Dragon
On Mon, August 27, 2007 17:06, Jon Slater wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I know this is a really dumb question, but until recently, I have always
received a copy of any e-mail I sent to a list that I'm a member of.
But now, I'm not. I send e-mail to the board list, and I never receive a
copy. I
only list, you must be subscribed to it
and have your moderation bit turned off.
If you are not a member and you have the non-member post action set
to discard, the post you attempt to send will be discarded.
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for existing lists you must do that through the web
interface or a withlist script.
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mailman as root to find out)
What is your MTA?
Have you set up the aliases for the list(s) so your MTA knows how to
route list traffic?
What is in the mailman error, smtp and vette logs?
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Mailman does this automatically by default if you have the list set
to confirm subscription requests. The other options are approval
required or both confirm and approve.
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on that page.
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releases if you rely on a package distribution of Mailman.
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Dragon wrote:
Far more likely is that the subscribers are getting multiple copies
of replies to their posts or they have filter rules that are copying
the posts instead of moving them.
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That didn't come out exactly how I meant it.
What
name, all rights reserved.
The problem with this is that the poster using it must be extremely
careful to ensure that all quoted material is indicated unambiguously
as being not under the copyright notice.
It's fraught with all sorts of legal implications if it is not done correctly.
Dragon
?
Is there a standard template library for Python, ala Template::Toolkit for
perl or Smarty for php ?
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No, that is why this discussion is going on.
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of the message file. While that works, it would be nice
to have this built into the arch script as an option for those who
would like it.
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Wasn't somebody working on moving everything to a template system for
the 2.2 branch or was that for 3.0? If so, that would be a nice new
feature to have.
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Stephen J. Turnbull did speak thusly:
Dragon writes:
Actually no, those are not the best way to do this IMO. If ALL of the
web pages were template-based, it would be a simple matter of
defining the CSS you want in a CSS file and adding it to the page header.
There's no reason why
. The last hint really saved me a lot of time.
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You can set a list default to have all new members on moderated
status. Have you tried setting that for the list and then adding a
member via this method?
It's worth a try.
Dragon
be useful. And to be honest, even though I have such
access, it is unlikely that I would add yet another list to my many
subscriptions just on the off chance I might be able to help somebody
over there.
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, but
this is not recommended for a number of reasons.
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in the mm_cfg.py file, this file is
used to override defaults and set other options like msg_footer etc.
at list creation. The settings you want have to be in that file when
you create the list or they won't be set.
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options page
(Membership Management- Membership List, then click on the person's
e-mail address) and check that the person has Receive your own posts
to the list? set to yes.
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