Re: [Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving new messages
Thank you Mark, just had to change owner from Root to Mailman, deleted the shunted messages that I had already imported manually and ran the unshunt command on the rest! Worked like a charm! Regards, ~Ed Ed Beu, System Programmer Dept. of Administration, ETS (907)269-6790 ed@alaska.gov -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2016 7:44 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving new messages On 09/02/2016 03:31 PM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > The few lists that I have 'imported' mail from Thunderbird into Mailman > archives will not archive new messages. I suspect a permissions issue on archives/private/LIST.mbox/LIST.mbox, but there should be errors and tracebacks in mailman's error log and shunted messages in the shunt queue. If you have the RedHat package, these are /var/log/mailman/error and /var/spool/mailman/shunt respectively. If you can't figure out what the problem is from the error log, post the info here. Once you have fixed the problem you can run unshunt (/usr/lib/mailman/bin/unshunt) to archive the shunted messages, but first you may want to examine them with /usr/lib/mailman/bin/show_qfiles to ensure that all of them should be unshunted and there are none from older, unrelated errors. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving new messages
Hi, The few lists that I have 'imported' mail from Thunderbird into Mailman archives will not archive new messages. I have imported all the messages again, and I have imported one message at a time - then I've run the following command: /bin/arch -wipe listname I've have also run: bin/arch listname /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox After doing so, new messages sent to the list are not archived and do not show up in the mbox file. We're running Mailman v2.1.12 on Centos 6.7 and using Postfix 2.6.6.. Thanks in advance for any assistance! ~Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] unique Message-IDs
-Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:48 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] unique Message-IDs On 08/24/2016 11:20 AM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > We've run into a situation whereas our email archiving system is puking on > mail sent from large Mailman lists due to the Message-IDs all being the same > on each individual message. > > I found the following article and tried it, without any success. > > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-November/072525.html >>Did you try just deleting the Message-ID or replacing it with a Mailman >>Generated one? I tried both methods, both did not work. >>If you are not VERPing or personalizing deliveries, replacing the >>Message-ID will not be completely effective because the message with the >>replaced Message-ID will still be sent to chunks with multiple >>recipients. Whether deleting the Message-ID will be effective or not >>will depend on when in its processing the MTA adds its own Message-ID. With VERP turned on it presented issues with our Spam Filter, so not an option. > Any other suggestions? >>Enable verp by putting >>VERP_DELIVERY_INTERVAL = 1 >>in mm_cfg.py and then replace the Message-ID with a Mailman generated >>one per >><https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-November/072525.html> >>or maybe just fix your archiving system. Plans are in the works for a replacement (O365)! >>Note that replacing the Message-ID in this way is a violation of mail >>RFCs and I don't recommend it. Understood! >>What happens if a local user sends a message with multiple To:, Cc: >>and/or Bcc: recipients. Doesn't that confuse your archiving system too? >>What do you do about that? I don't run the archiving system so not sure. The archiving admin mentioned he was manually changing MSG-IDs the other day. Thanks, Ed -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] unique Message-IDs
Hello Mark, We've run into a situation whereas our email archiving system is puking on mail sent from large Mailman lists due to the Message-IDs all being the same on each individual message. I found the following article and tried it, without any success. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2011-November/072525.html We're running Mailman v2.1.12 on Centos 6.7 and using Postfix 2.6.6.. Any other suggestions? Thx, Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration 619 E Shipcreek Ave., Ste 232 Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] display members moderator flag
Hi Mark, We've discovered that if the Unsubscribe_Policy is set to Yes (1), the moderator can unsubscribe members without the members input! The member simply gets a notice that they've been unsubscribed. ~Ed Ed Beu, System Programmer Dept. of Administration, ETS (907)269-6790 ed@alaska.gov -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2016 10:45 AM To: Beu, Ed (DOA) <ed@alaska.gov>; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] display members moderator flag On 08/04/2016 09:39 AM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > Some of these 'list admins' are used to being able to 'unsubscribe' members > without the member having to confirm via the email confirmation. Our old > system would unsubscribe the member and send a notice that they were removed > from the list. > > Other than relying on the bounce mechanism or by knowing the members password > to remove them, is there any way for a list moderator to accomplish this > task? Perhaps access to the 'Membership List' only? The list moderator password only allows access to the admindb web UI. Allowing access to selected admin UI functions with that password would require non-trivial source changes. If you are willing to create your own web page with it's own authentication, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030648> and the members.c program linked therefrom for a way to execute Mailman command scripts, e.g. bin/remove_members, from a web application. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] display members moderator flag
Thank you Mark for all the different options, very useful! I have another question, which may require a new thread, but here goes. We have chosen to not give our list managers "Administrative" access to their lists. We feel there are too many options that could be changed that could be detrimental to a list. Therefore we're only giving them the Moderator password so that they can use the 'who' command to obtain membership reports on their own. Some of these 'list admins' are used to being able to 'unsubscribe' members without the member having to confirm via the email confirmation. Our old system would unsubscribe the member and send a notice that they were removed from the list. Other than relying on the bounce mechanism or by knowing the members password to remove them, is there any way for a list moderator to accomplish this task? Perhaps access to the 'Membership List' only? Thanks in advance for your assistance! ~Ed Ed Beu, System Programmer Dept. of Administration, ETS (907)269-6790 ed@alaska.gov -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 4:24 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] display members moderator flag On 08/03/2016 10:46 AM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > Other than browsing through the membership listing in the GUI and looking for > unchecked mod settings, to identify who may post unmoderated, is there a > script that would display this type of information? Beginning with Mailman 2.1.21, Mailman's bin/list_members script has options to list just the moderated or unmoderated members. There is also a withlist script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/list_mod.py> (mirrored at <https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/list_mod.py>) that can do this. > I've searched through archives and did a fair share of google searches, but > not finding anything specific to this. Perhaps a feature request to make the > membership listing sort capable some day would satisfy my needs. There is also a script at <https://www.msapiro.net/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py> (mirror <https://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/mailman-subscribers.py>) that can run on your work station and screen scrape the admin Membership List and write a CSV which can be imported to a spreadsheet ans searched/sorted as you like. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] display members moderator flag
Hello, We're using Mailman v2.1.12 on Centos 6.7, and we just went production with it last Sunday, July 31. Other than browsing through the membership listing in the GUI and looking for unchecked mod settings, to identify who may post unmoderated, is there a script that would display this type of information? I've searched through archives and did a fair share of google searches, but not finding anything specific to this. Perhaps a feature request to make the membership listing sort capable some day would satisfy my needs. Thanks in advance for any recommendations or suggestions. ~Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] migrating current list links to mailman
We've removed the redirect and created the jl.htm files where Apache can see them and display the HTML message. This works as planned. Thx, Ed -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Beu, Ed (DOA) Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:35 AM To: Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] migrating current list links to mailman Thanks very much for the information. Good to know I was on the right track, but even with your verification and better code, the redirect still takes me to the new /listinfo/listname (subscribe) page rather than the new jl.htm page. I have put the new jl.htm at /var/lib/mailman/lists/listname/jl.htm And, the redirection code at /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf # Uncomment the following line, to redirect queries to /mailman to the listinfo page (recommended). RedirectMatch ^/soalists/(.*)/jl.htm /mailman/listinfo/$1 RedirectMatch ^/mailman[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo RedirectMatch ^[/]*$ /mailman/listinfo I suspected the last two lines of RedirectMatch were causing the issue, but I get the same result if I remark them out. Thanks again! ~Ed -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 9:05 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] migrating current list links to mailman On 06/13/2016 11:23 AM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > Example:http:/list.domain/lists/listname/jl.htm > > http:/list.domain/mailman/listinfo/listname > <Mailman's link> > > We would like some type of redirect in place on the new mailman server that > would simply display the new link (so that it can be copied) when someone > uses an old bookmark or hyperlink on a different website. There are various ways to do this depending on what you want the user to see. If I understand the URL scheme above something in Apache like RedirectMatch ^/lists/(.*)/jl.htm /mailman/listinfo/$1 would serve to redirect http:/list.domain/lists/listname/jl.htm to http:/list.domain/mailman/listinfo/listname for any 'listname', but if you actually want to display something to the user, you could create a replacement lists/listname/jl.htm containing something like -- List listname - page has moved Page Moved The page for the listname list has moved. The new location is http:/list.domain/mailman/listinfo/listname. You will go there automatically in 5 seconds. -- This will display the page and go to the new page after 5 seconds. You would need one of these per list. If you want to change the delay, change '5' to whatever you want in the content="5; line and the You will go there automatically in 5 seconds. line. If you want the user to have to click, remove the lines and the "You will go there automatically" line. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] migrating current list links to mailman
Hello, This may not be the correct forum for this question, but in hopes that it is, I have an HTML type question. We are planning to replace our current listserv software with Mailman 2.x. Our root URL will not be changing, but each lists subscription pages will be different. Example:http:/list.domain/lists/listname/jl.htm http:/list.domain/mailman/listinfo/listname <Mailman's link> We would like some type of redirect in place on the new mailman server that would simply display the new link (so that it can be copied) when someone uses an old bookmark or hyperlink on a different website. Our Mailman version is 2.1.20 from Yum, on CentOS 6.7, running Apache & Postfix & Mimedefang. Note: I'm an HTML greenie, so any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thx, Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration 619 E Shipcreek Ave., Ste 232 Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm_cfg.py not setting attribute
FWIW... the Defaults.py files for Mailman 2.1.20 and 2.1.12 are not identical. The following statements, including the one I was troubleshooting, do not exist in version 2.1.12. DEFAULT_BOUNCE_NOTIFY_OWNER_ON_BOUNCE_INCREMENT = No DEFAULT_DMARC_WRAPPED_MESSAGE_TEXT = '' DEFAULT_EQUIVALENT_DOMAINS = '' DEFAULT_REGULAR_EXCLUDE_IGNORE = True DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = Yes DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_AUTO_APPROVAL = [] DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_OR_INVITE = No ~Ed -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+ed.beu=alaska@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sapiro Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 6:20 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mm_cfg.py not setting attribute On 05/23/2016 05:24 PM, Beu, Ed (DOA) wrote: > > We currently have two instances of Mailman running for test purposes. The > newlist command along with a customized mm_cfg.py file is producing different > results on the two systems. > > Configurations are as follows on these two test systems. > > T1 > Solaris 10 > Mailman 2.1.20 (csw package) > > T2 > CentOS 6.7 (Final) > Mailman 2.1.12 (yum package) > > On the T1 system I am adding the following statement to the mm_cfg.py file: > DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = No > > Then, when I run "./newlist -q listname > my.em...@domain.com<mailto:my.em...@domain.com<mailto:my.em...@domain.com%3cmailto:my.em...@domain.com>> > 12345678" the list setting is as desired (respond_to_post_request = No). > > On the T2 system using the same scenario above, the "respond_to_post_request" > attribute does not change from the Defaults.py setting of Yes. It should if you spelled it correctly. > On the T2 system I have tried changing the attribute from > DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS to just RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS, changed No > to Zero (0) and tried DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = 0. A number of > combinations, and none work on the CentOS machine. No, no, 0 and False are all essentially equivalent in mm_cfg.py. Changing the name is the same as commenting it or leaving it out. Every setting that Mailman references is defined in Defaults.py. Anything you set in mm_cfg.py that is not a setting mentioned in Defaults.py is ignored. > Do you have any suggestions or recommendations? Our goal is to use the CentOS > system for production, so getting this worked out will be very helpful. Exactly what mm_cfg.py file are you editing on CentOS. I *think* the CentOS package has an mm_cfg.py in /etc/mailman and there is a symlink from /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py, but I may be mistaken about that which is why you should see the FAQ article at <https://wiki.list.org/x/12812344>. -- Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net<mailto:m...@msapiro.net>>The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org<mailto:Mailman-Users@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed.beu%40alaska.gov -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mm_cfg.py not setting attribute
Hi, We currently have two instances of Mailman running for test purposes. The newlist command along with a customized mm_cfg.py file is producing different results on the two systems. Configurations are as follows on these two test systems. T1 Solaris 10 Mailman 2.1.20 (csw package) T2 CentOS 6.7 (Final) Mailman 2.1.12 (yum package) On the T1 system I am adding the following statement to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = No Then, when I run "./newlist -q listname my.em...@domain.com<mailto:my.em...@domain.com> 12345678" the list setting is as desired (respond_to_post_request = No). On the T2 system using the same scenario above, the "respond_to_post_request" attribute does not change from the Defaults.py setting of Yes. On the T2 system I have tried changing the attribute from DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS to just RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS, changed No to Zero (0) and tried DEFAULT_RESPOND_TO_POST_REQUESTS = 0. A number of combinations, and none work on the CentOS machine. Do you have any suggestions or recommendations? Our goal is to use the CentOS system for production, so getting this worked out will be very helpful. Thx, Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration 619 E Shipcreek Ave., Ste 232 Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Order of operation - config files
Hi, I got it working... From: Beu, Ed (DOA) Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 8:49 AM To: 'mailman-users@python.org' <mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Order of operation - config files Hello, We have a test installation of Mailman 2.1.20 (CSW) running on Solaris 10. Production version will be running on CentOS. Since most of our lists are 'Announcement' type lists, I have put the following in the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = Yes >>> The double DEFAULT_DEFAULT on this variable appears to be the only doubled >>> default in the Defaults.py file. And, using it in the same manner in the >>> MM_CFG.py file appears to be the only way to get it to work when creating a >>> new list. For the occasional 'discussion' list I have created a config file (discuss.config) to import into the new list to change 'Member Moderation' to No, but it does not take effect. For example, I'm using this command: .../bin> ./newlist -q testdiscuss ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> 12345678;./config_list -i discuss.config testdiscuss >>> I change the entry in the MM_CFG.py file to: DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = 1(1 rather than Yes) >>> used the following statement in my discuss.config file - and it's working >>> now default_member_moderation = 0 Is it not possible to override the mm_cfg.py file entries with a config_list -i command? >>> apparently the config_list -i does run after mm_cfg.py!! Thanks in advance for any assistance! ~Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration 619 E Shipcreek Ave., Ste 232 Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Order of operation - config files
Hello, We have a test installation of Mailman 2.1.20 (CSW) running on Solaris 10. Production version will be running on CentOS. Since most of our lists are 'Announcement' type lists, I have put the following in the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_DEFAULT_MEMBER_MODERATION = Yes For the occasional 'discussion' list I have created a config file (discuss.config) to import into the new list to change 'Member Moderation' to No, but it does not take effect. For example, I'm using this command: .../bin> ./newlist -q testdiscuss ed@alaska.gov 12345678;./config_list -i discuss.config testdiscuss Is it not possible to override the mm_cfg.py file entries with a config_list -i command? Thanks in advance for any assistance! ~Ed Ed Beu , Systems Programmer Enterprise Technology Services Department of Administration 619 E Shipcreek Ave., Ste 232 Anchorage, AK 99501-1677 [ETSLogo] *Desk:(907)269-6790 ?Fax: (907)269-6719 * ed@alaska.gov<mailto:ed@alaska.gov> " http://www.doa.alaska.gov/ets/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] All AOL unsubscribed
AOL, AOL, AOL - they always do things a bit differently. I can't fully blame them as they probably are still the #1 target of spammers. As others have written, the most important information is in the outgoing SMTP logs so you can see what AOL said, if anything, about why they are refusing the mail. You will also find useful information at the links below, provided by AOL to help the rest of the world navigate their unique email processing: http://postmaster.aol.com/Postmaster.Troubleshooting.php http://postmaster.aol.com/Reputation.php On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 09:32:25AM -0500, joseph cook wrote: This morning all of my subscribers with aol addresses were automatically unsubscribed from my list. [...] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] OS X Question --- yes I know sigh
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 04:54:09PM -0700, David Dodell wrote: Hi, I know from past experience that the OS X version of Mailman is met with some contempt because of what Apple did with it .. but I have it working well for several years on a 10.7.5 Lion Server, and it has been very stable. Note that there's also a version from MacPorts: $ port list mailman mailman@2.1.13 mail/mailman [this is on my Mountain Lion box, your mileage may vary] -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mountain Lion server trouble
This is why it's important to keep server configurations in a configuration management system, like Chef, Puppet, cfengine, Ansible, Salt Stack, etc. When set up right, the configuration management will put back any unwanted OS changes, or at the very least tell after an upgrade what files no longer contain your edits. On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 11:59:02AM -0500, nxnw wrote: ... 1. Mostly good news - after the OS and server.app upgrades, mailman was (mostly) running. The only thing that was not working was the web interface. After a bit of investigation, I found that the upgrade overwrote /Library/Server/Web/Config/apache2/httpd_server_app.conf, so that file had to be edited (again) to add the following: #Mailman Include /private/etc/apache2/extra/httpd-mailman.conf I put the above right after Include /Library/Server/Web/Config/apache2/other/*.conf. Apache must be restarted after the edit. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Squirrelmail and wrapped messages
I've converted a list to Mailman, and as I posted previously, I decided to use wrapped messages to keep AOL's hairtrigger spam filters from discarding incoming messages from AOL users. Now I'm getting complaints from Outlook 2007 and Squirrelmail users that the messages from Mailman show up as text attachments that aren't automatically displayed or previewed. It looks like Outlook 2007 users can turn previewing on, but I don't see any such options for Squirrelmail. How have other Mailman admins dealt with this? I wonder if it's possible to to make wrapped messages a user preference, or have them only turned on for certain domains as discussed previously. Is this a patch that would be accepted in the future? -- Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] AOL screening Reply-To header thru DMARC ?
I'm setting up a new Mailman server to replace an elderly MajorDomo that isn't DMARC-compatible. I set up the list to use the list's address as the From address and to put the sender's address in Reply-To:. I started playing around with a test list - in no time at all, AOL began bouncing all my mail. After researching AOL's error messages, it appeared that my server had been temporarily blacklisted. That went away but then I noticed this error: Oct 18 01:01:26 vc18 postfix/smtp[25098]: C77D416B4D9: host mailin-01.mx.aol.com[152.163.0.67] said: 421 4.2.1 : (RLY:SN) http://postmaster.info.aol.com/errors/421rlysn.html (in reply to end of DATA command) According to that URL on AOL's site, either my From or Reply-To is using an address in violation of DMARC. I had already checked the From address so it was apparent the Reply-To was at fault. Aalthough the mail was not being rejected, given AOL's hair-trigger sensors I figured it would be better to do it their way. Changing the Reply-To: to the list's address got rid of the 421 error. Has anyone else run into this? I hate doing this, since now we're going to see people sending what they think are private messages to the entire list. I see from the docs that Mailman can do different behavior on the From: address depending on whether it is in a DMARC-protected domain - are there any plans to do the same for the Reply-To? Looks to me like it will be necessary given what AOL is doing. Thanks, -- Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL screening Reply-To header thru DMARC ?
On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 11:03:11AM -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: ... I have a somewhat different issue. I am using dmarc_moderation_action = Munge From, and when an AOL user posts to the list, the list message sent back to the user bounces with 521 5.2.1 : AOL will not accept delivery of this message. (in reply to end of DATA command)). The same messages sent to other AOL users are accepted by AOL. From your lips to AOL's ears! I'm seeing that too. A message from an AOL user was bounced when sent back to the original user, and AOL also bounced it going to the other AOL recipient on the test list. I think I'm going to have to set every AOL user to no metoo, and tell them if they want to see confirmation of their posts they need to turn ack on. I just tested it and there's no bouncing. But that's probably going to be a headache to maintain, so maybe I'll switch to wrapped messages. -- Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders
On 8/1/2014 11:11 AM, Peter Brooks wrote: Does anybody know why mailman stores passwords in clear text? ?? Peter, just use the Archives link a bottom and search last month G. Enough info to last you a month VBG. Ed Just Brits -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On 7/20/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Shute wrote: Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? My 'understanding' is that above has a non-answer because there is allegedly distinct difference between an ISP offering MM 2.1.15 and QUIETLY offering cPanel's version ALSO bearing the I.D. as above. At least my Blue Host Tech person related to me. And yep, just checked one (1) of my List Mails and source header info says BH using Mailman-Version: 2.1.15. This little blurb may be of interest to some of you sigh: quote With mailings lists larger than 100 users, it is not suggested to use the above mailing lists[1]. There is another free program, called DadaMail which is very robust, and can also throttle the email so the entire list is not sent at once. In the shared hosting environment, this is very much appreciated by the host as it lowers the server load for all. If you would like more information on DadaMail, please visit their website HERE http://dadamailproject.com/. /quote I have mentioned a few facts learned here (List) whilst either doing eMail (NON-Lists)problems and basically been told that I have zero clue(s) about Mailing Lists and 'mails' ! ! ! Each time has left me LMAO shaking my head -:) -:) -:) ! ! ! But, since I have an extremely sweet deal, I stay. Ed Just Brits [1] above = MailMan (on List Set-up Pages). -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman hosting needed
I just did exactly what you are doing for the same reasons... I moved everything over to Asmallorange and so far I have been very happy. http://asmallorange.com/ On 1/27/2013 12:43 AM, James Reid wrote: Hi Everyone, I've been running my own server hosting (amongst other things) mailman for the last 10+ years using a combination of either my own server, or more recently VPS. However, I've got to the point in my life where it is too much work to maintain the servers myself, so am now offloading all the services on to hosted services. I have successfully moved everything off with the exception of some mailman services that I run for my church. I have three lists one of which is used significantly more than the other two, but collectively they have no more than 700 messages per year sent on them / 250 subscribers. Can anyone recommend a host that might be suitable for my needs? Thanks! James. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40esson.net -- ... Randomly Generated Quote (223 of 1884): To lengthen thy life, lessen thy meals. --Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1737 -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] all sorts of OT here, apologies ; Re: Rear interior lights not working
On 12/27/2011 08:23 AM, Bernie Cosell wrote: 2003 1.8T. I happened to notice the other day that the rear interior lights don't work any more. I don't normally notice them so I dont' know how long they've been out [but I was vaguely aware that it was a bit darker in the car when I opened the doors]. They have three-way tilt switches [I assume: on/dooropen/off] and no setting of the switch gets either driver or passenger light to come on. [so not likely a burned out bulb, unless both rear bulbs burned out at the same time]. Is this something I could (try to) fix or should I just wait until my next trip to the dealer? Thanks! /Bernie\ wait for the dealer, if they burn out at the same time it is an indication your charge system is charging to much voltage. you might try asking on an automotive list, as this is a list for folks that run the mailman mailing list software, and not an automotive list at all. I am s tempted to ask if you have any memories of Howard (Cosell) to share... -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Server Configuration..
On 06/24/2011 09:10 PM, Khalil Abbas wrote: Hi, we are a local TV station newspaper having a mailing list with 2+ Million Subscribers.. what is the best server configuration (CPU, RAM) that can handle this list? taking in consideration that only 1 daily email is sent to the subscribers.. Thank you .. I am sure others can answer better, but budget is the primary (and missing) consideration in this equation. The fastest and most CPU cores and as much memory as possible in a 64 bit system is the answer. If you MUST sacrifice cpu or memory, then balance as well as possible, and let more memory win over more CPU speed. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Integrating with a forum
Hi, folks. I admin a list for a community which wants to expand our list to a forum. Some of us really like list communication; others would prefer a forum. Instead of forcing the issue, we want to do both, with bidirectional mirroring. I know this issue has been raised before, and I know it's tricky. I'm not a programmer, but we have a programmer on hand who is willing to do the integration. All I need to do is scope the requirements properly. Here is my initial requirements definition, which is all very tentative: http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Forum_integration In there, you can see that I did find M2F, which appears to be a list- forum integrator. Great. But it only works with phpBB 2. Not only is phpBB2 out of date, but also from past experience I find phpBB to be pretty underwhelming. So I'd like to use a more sophisticated (but still FOSS) forum such as MyBB (or others if you can suggest one that is up to the task). There is an alpha of M2F that claims to it eventually will do the trick, but it is indeed very alpha. I'm posting here to see if anyone has any better insights than I have had so far and/or any comments on my existing document linked above. Apart from the technical difficulties, the additional problem I see is with message overload. So I'm thinking of setting a second list. The existing one would be a full bidirectional mirror of the forum, and a new one would just be an announce list of any new topics posted to either (ie, anything that is a new topic on the forum or a new thread on the list). Or can I do that with umbrella lists somehow? Am I dreaming. Is this just way too complicated to tackle? I further want the forum to support OpenID. I imagine that adds additional layers of complexity when combined with list integration. Any thoughts on any of this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Ed Pastore http://metagovernment.org/wiki/User:Ed_Pastore -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] where to edit html for /mailman/listinfo
OK, I still feel dumb and have drank all the available coffee, so now I will ask. Can someone point me to where to find the info on how/where to edit the umbrella listinfo page? (http://forktechs.com/mailman/listinfo) Thanks in advance Edward Tharp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Hi Mark, What Mailman version is this... Not sure as it is supplied by my host at hostgo.com You aren't by chance seeing only the 152 As (or whatever's first) ... AHH! That was exactly the problem. So there really was no problem, just cockpit error. Thanks a bunch. Ed Corcoran -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
I have 1869 members on my mailing list. My Membership List only displays 152 of them -- 150 in blocks of 50 (as per my Chunk Size) and a 4th page with only 2. I have added and subtracted members with no problem, and when I send a message it apparently goes to everyone, but I can only see the 152 in the listing. A number of those I added since then I marked NO to both Send welcome messages to new subscribees? Send notifications of new subscriptions to the list owner? Does that mean the list didn't even add to itself?? What do I have to do to get all the members to show up on the Membership List?? Ed Corcoran -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] mail delivery not consistent and very slow
Jewel wrote: ---I recently upgraded my Mailman onto a new machine. It appeared ---everything was running smoothly except now I have users saying they are ---posting and not seeing it come through. All messages are successfully ---posting to the archives and I am seeing most messages get delivered but ---not 100%. I have read the FAQ's and followed all of the suggestions ---without any errors: ---http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030722 ---http://tinyurl.com/6xrrju* --- ---*My smtp-failure and error logs are not helping me determine what's ---wrong. Whenever I post a test to any list so far it always gets ---delivered. But I have a few users who said they have tried several times ---and don't see anything. I had one woman try again this morning and can ---see it on the archive but not in my email -but other postings have been ---successful!! --- Please help me. I have several members upset about the delay or lack ---of delivery and I can't find out what's going on. --- ---Jewel -- Jewel, I am sure that it would help the gurus if you tell us if you see a/any given ISP involved. I had a prob with a couple gmail users on ONE of my Lists which my hosting Tech gent was able to solve [I don't have a clue, Mark -:):):)]. Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multi list management ..
Khalil: does anyone know a good company that has great servers with no limitation on the daily outgoing emails? Check yesterday's Archives. And/or just search them for MM Server hosts. Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] set up HTML form to feed into Mailman
How hard would it be to create an HTML form for a website which could be used to subscribe people to a list, rather than using the one on the mailman site for the list? See FAQ 4.33 http://wiki.list.org/x/hIA9. Off the top of your head Mark, would that be viable in a cPanel situation?? Tnx, as always!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
But what it really comes down to is that they are arbitrarily throwing away their customers' mail, and their customers apparently like it that way. I would be MORE prone to believe that their customers have absolutely NO CLUE, Stephan and being aolers don't 'care' enough to complain (even IF they know how to) -:)-:)!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] changes at aol
So, you make sure they never find out. LMAO, Brad ! Tnx, NEEDED that ! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Mailman not working...help pls
I'm having problems with a maillman installation that *used* to work fine. I'm not quite sure what stopped working. i don't believe any updates or changes were made on the server since the last time it worked and when it stopped working. I'm running Mailman 2.1.8 on Mac OS X 10.4.7. The MTA is Postfix. When I send e-mail to any list on the server, it seems to get swallowed up. If I try sending it from an unmoderated address, nothing happens. And if I try sending it from a moderated address, nothing happens and it doesn't show up in Tend to pending moderator requests. I've tried fixing Mailman perms with the checkperms command. At first it found some problems but they've all been fixed. I've also confirmed that postfix is working fine. I can send e-mail from the server with no problems. Can someone help me on the next steps of troubleshooting? Thanks! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] cleaning up dead addresses
Are you serious, Daevid?? Ever get a bounce back from hotmail, AOL, or any other big ISP? NO. AOL = LOTS!!! PITA!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
THANK you, Allen!! Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools. Which IS what I said!!! My ONLY mailman access is the web interface, which IMVHO is lacking BUT I am biasedGG!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list
Did I? Yep. And actually said something like s/b easy. I hope not, because it won't be. Possibly 2.2, but no promises. Rats!! Now I currently have seven Lists goings and it IS a REAL PITA to have to sift thru A the B then C then D, the.etc.!! I really can't understand why it would be so difficult to offer the option for Administrator options within the Web Interface. 'Course that would also be the reason I can't offer something -;) !! And as of ONE minute ago I can actually offer a reason why a scroll page would be WAY handy for a Non-Shell administrator like me. A nitwit (aren't they allG) List member writes me direct and says Please un-subscribe me..! In this gents case I KNOW of SIX, repeat SIX e-mails accounts he uses. Do I know the very FIRST letter of the account he uses for his subscription?? No. So I have to go thru entire ALPHABET [page per letter at a time] to find it instead of just being able to scroll down a 60 member page. Which would you rather do??? Don't bother to answer because of your WONDERFUL replies to this List, mine is NOT worthy!!! Actually, serious, Mark. Thanks for ALL your wonderful and difficult work!!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] edit the mail body
I know this might be a reach Fatcat Mark, but could the ...tw address have something to do with it??? Both of Fatcat's note today have asked me to accept an install of Chinese Traditional!! Which is what makes me ask?!?!? Ed-- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list
Mark, being a FIRM beleiver in K.I.S.S., Well, it is easy in principle, at least once it's decided what it should look like, what would be wrong with just the same layouts and: Option #1 = Continous List (I think that it goes by alphabet???) = ONE page Option #2 = Alphabitized List = how ever many lettered folk are members (A, D, M, W, Z = 5?) ?? I ADMIT not to knowing!!! -:) Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list
Todd: Daniel Carvalho wrote: Is there a way to get all the members of a mailing list in a single page? Sometimes this is more convenient. FAQ 3.62: How do I extract a list of my list's members (subscribers)? Although that reply answers ONE of Daniel's question (which you do not cite), it does not answer the question above. Reason I KNOW is that I have asked exactly them same question to which Mark S. hinted would be in 2.1.8.. I also have only Interface Access and have some List with over a couple dozen which changes display to alphabetic Display ONLY and it IS a PITA -;) ! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] get members list
so it doesn't tend to get a chance to annoy me more than occasionally. :) YOU are lucky -:) !! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?
Can we get this put into a FAQ. Forget About Quasimo? Never mind. LOL Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Goodmail spells doom for mailing lists?
Can we get this put into a FAQ. Forget About Quasimo? Never mind. LOL Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Multiple mailing lists
they would be willing to allow you a dozen lists on the shared Mailman. I would agree, Mark. BlueHost.com allows me 100 Lists, if that helps! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] How hard is it to spoof an email?
If I may, Mark -;). You say I should not have my admin email as a list member. By that you mean [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is the default address as the admin? I don't think that's correct?? If so then what am I supposed to create, and why would creating one make a difference? Even tho I only have 4 Lists with not even a total of 200 folks I have an alias on each one. I have a seperate file folder with a Rule that puts List Mail there. That, although somewhat of a PITA, I KNOW things are working correctly. When I get one post in Reg mail and non is alias folder OR vice versa, I know something is wrong. Newbie Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages moderated from port 2525
The message reads: The reason it is being held: Posting to a moderated newsgroup When I go to the web page for Membership Management, the box for mod is not selected on any of the ids having problems. Of all of the boxes for the ID, only nodupes and plain are have a check mark in them. I also tried to reset the ID to moderated then reset it back to not moderated with no luck. Ed On 5/15/05 5:52 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Danley wrote: My domain host (http://www.siteground.com) runs mailman 2.1.5p1. I have a mailing list setup for my church for general news. The pastor and secretary are authorized to post. All others are moderated. This setup ran fine through my ISP, DSL via SBC, until SBC decided to start blocking port 25. At that time all mail needed to be sent with their signon/password for outgoing mail. When that happened, both the secretary and pastor postings became moderated. I have to intervene to allow the posts to proceed. Something else must have changed too. What hoops Mailman has to jump through to send mail won't affect holding an incoming post. In talking with my domain provider about this, they suggested that I send outgoing emails using port 2525 direct via them. While this works to allow mail going out without SBC blocking it, mailman is still moderating all postings. Siteground.com has tried a multitude of things (I don't know what) but nothing seems to work. What reason does Mailman give for holding the post? Once we know that, we'll have a clue as to what to look for. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages moderated from port 2525
Thank you. That solved the problem. On 5/15/05 6:58 PM, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Danley wrote: The message reads: The reason it is being held: Posting to a moderated newsgroup On the admin-Mail-News gateways page, news_moderation is set to Moderated. It should probably be None unless you actually are gating to a moderated Usenet news group. It should definitely be None unless the first two settings on the page are other than blank and gateway_to_news is Yes -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/edwardd20%40danleys.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Messages moderated from port 2525
I apologize if this discussed elsewhere, I didn't find it. My domain host (http://www.siteground.com) runs mailman 2.1.5p1. I have a mailing list setup for my church for general news. The pastor and secretary are authorized to post. All others are moderated. This setup ran fine through my ISP, DSL via SBC, until SBC decided to start blocking port 25. At that time all mail needed to be sent with their signon/password for outgoing mail. When that happened, both the secretary and pastor postings became moderated. I have to intervene to allow the posts to proceed. In talking with my domain provider about this, they suggested that I send outgoing emails using port 2525 direct via them. While this works to allow mail going out without SBC blocking it, mailman is still moderating all postings. Siteground.com has tried a multitude of things (I don't know what) but nothing seems to work. I have browsed the email internet headers (not knowing what I'm looking for) and nothing seems out of the ordinary to me. No mention of SBC or the funky port. Is this a known problem? Is there a work around shy of dumping SBC's DSL service? Thanks. Ed Danley -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Block attachments before testing for non-member
Many things show up as mail from non-member which contain nothing but a forbidden attachment. Can we run through the content filter BEFORE testing for membership so that this cr*p just gets discarded? Thanks, /edg -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Investigating Bounces
I have several list owners with large lists. They get a bunch of bounces each time they mail. Occasionally, they get lots more bounces than they expect. Is there any way to get Mailman to save the reason for the bounce? The bounce log contains only the list name, email address and the bounce score. I can infer whether the bounce was hard or soft by whether the score increased by 1.0 or 0.5. There is no way to tell if the bounce was mailbox full or no such user or perhaps horrors my SMTP server was refused because it's become blacklisted somewhere. It's not even possible to tell if the bounce came from the distant SMTP server or my local one. How do others deal with this situation? /edg -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Code for allowing web-based delete and create lists
I just went through this... Mailman allows for creation of lists by going to http://webaddress/mailman/create If you enable the proper variable, you can delete a list from it's admin page. For postfix, there is some good integration between mailman and postfix. Note that for sendmail, you need to do a manual process to enable the list addresses in the alias file. There is an automation in the contrib directory which permits the integration you would expect, but it has several caveats. Read carefully. I recently did a hack to give postfix-style automation to the mailman/sendmail interface and posted a procedure here, requesting feedback. Didn't get any, so I'm not sure if it's got serious problems. I don't create lists very often, but it works for me and for one customer for whom I installed it. Check the archives for a posting called Please review this procedure for sendmail integration which was posted on 6/19/2004. /edg --On Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:04 PM -0400 Paul L. Della Maggiora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, we run a non-profit server that includes mailman for our users. Is there a web interface for allowing the creation or deletion of lists? Couldn't find anything except the ~mailman/bin commands. TIA -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Please review this procedure for sendmail integration
Since many people cannot use David Champion's mm-handler due to shared use of domains, I've worked this up. I'd appreciate some constructive comments, yea or nay, on this procedure. Using the postfix MTA functionality to do automatic sendmail alias handling --- In order to add a list to mailman on a sendmail based system, you need to add a bunch of aliases for that list to the alias file. In this customization, we implement a second alias file and teach sendmail about it. We use a mailman feature that was designed for the postfix mail program - a replacement for sendmail. This feature creates /home/mailman/data/aliases 1. We have a script that will copy the alias file and then process it. We need to do this since sendmail doesn't like alias files to be in directories that don't meet very specific permission requirements. /home/mailman/data doesn't meet this requirement. Our script will copy the alias file from /home/mailman/data to /etc. It uses a different name in order not to clash with the existing /etc/aliases Create /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases with these commands: /bin/cp /home/mailman/data/aliases /etc/mailman.aliases /usr/bin/newaliases 2. We have to tell mailman that it is using postfix. We lie. Add these to mm_cfg.py: MTA='Postfix' POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD = '/usr/bin/sudo /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = [] 3. We have to tell sendmail about the new alias file. in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc find this line: define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases')dnl and change it to: define(`ALIAS_FILE', `/etc/aliases,/etc/mailman.aliases')dnl Run a make (or otherwise refresh sendmail.cf and then restart sendmail Now when we run newaliases, it will rebuild both alias files. 4. We need permission for apache and mailman to run our script from step 1. In the /etc/sudoers file (use the command /usr/sbin/visudo) we need two lines: apache ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases mailman ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/local/sbin/mailman.aliases Note that your web server may not run as 'apache' It may run as 'www' or 'nobody'. Whatever it runs as is what you need where it says apache. 5. As mailman, run /home/mailman/bin/genaliases Check for a file /home/mailman/data/aliases and also TWO files /etc/mailman.aliases and /etc/mailman.aliases.db 6. Test creating a list using /home/mailman/bin/newlist Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases Add some users and test the list 7. Test for creating a list using http://domain.com/mailman/create Check for the appearance of aliases for that list in /etc/mailman.aliases Add some users and test the list Ed Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/19/2004 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
Thanks to all for the suggestions. On most of my lists, on my own server, I
would just use the command line. The list in question is on somebody else's
server. I talked him into moving from ezmlm to mailman, and I don't want to
bother him more than necessary.
Thanks,
/edg
--On Tuesday, May 18, 2004 12:16 AM -0400 Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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Hash: SHA1
Ed Greenberg wrote:
I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command
line, but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass
Subscribe page. Am I missing something?
Nope. There's no option for this now that I know of. Rod's technique
is the most viable if you don't have command line access. If you do
this a lot and want to add an option like this to the web gui, it'd be
pretty easy. Something like the below patch would get you an option
to do this.
- --- mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py~ Wed Dec 24 12:27:45 2003
+++ mailman-2.1.5/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py Mon May 17 23:31:53 2004
@@ -1158,6 +1158,15 @@
])
table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
+table.AddRow([
+Label(_('Subscribe these users for digest delivery?')),
+RadioButtonArray('subscribe_as_digest',
+ (_('No'), _('Yes')),
+ mlist.digest_is_default,
+ values=(0, 1))
+])
+table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, bgcolor=GREY)
+table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 1, bgcolor=GREY)
table.AddRow([Italic(_('Enter one address per line below...'))])
table.AddCellInfo(table.GetCurrentRowIndex(), 0, colspan=2)
table.AddRow([Center(TextArea(name='subscribees',
@@ -1307,7 +1316,7 @@
# Default is to subscribe
subscribe_or_invite = safeint('subscribe_or_invite', 0)
invitation = cgidata.getvalue('invitation', '')
- -digest = mlist.digest_is_default
+digest = safeint('subscribe_as_digest', mlist.digest_is_default)
if not mlist.digestable:
digest = 0
if not mlist.nondigestable:
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question
I'm not sure how this would protect members who had opted out from being added again though. /edg --On Monday, May 17, 2004 8:32 PM +0200 Hilton J Ralphs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Randy Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I would like to see it work like this: 1. I download file from CRM software of emails. 2. I upload them or cut an paste to mailman 3. if the email is already in the list it does not add them again and if they chose to opt out before it would not add them again as well. 4. Also if the email is bad it would be nice if it would not add it to mailman as well. Would mailman be able to accommodate the above? Mailman has a program called sync_members that will do exactly what you require. You could get clever and automate the CRM extraction to the same file every time, conveniently placed on a share accessible to mailman. Then set-up a crontab job to sync that file with the mailman database. It will remove mailman users that don't appear on the list and add new ones accordingly. Should work to the tee. -- Regards Hilton -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Mass Add digest members
I know that I can add a file-full of digest members from the command line, but can I do so from the web GUI? I don't see how, on the Mass Subscribe page. Am I missing something? /edg -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] True anonymous list?
You could deliver the mail to a script that extracts the subject and body and then reposts it to the list, coming from a generic user. If you want to restrict posting to members, you could look up the actual from address in the list before forwarding the post. Would that meet your needs? /edg --On Friday, May 07, 2004 1:10 PM -0400 Michael Balamuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, We have been using Mailman 2.0.13 for quite some time, but never with the intention of creating a genuinely anonymous mailing list. Now, we have a reason to do so, but I have been unable to completely hide the originator (poster's) email address from the headers of the sent mail. Obviously, anyone knowing how to read the headers will find the address of the poster. So, is there a way to make a list anonymous even at this level? Any help appreciated. For completeness, I believe I have followed the FAQ's and help and set explicit-reply to and hide posters address etc. correctly... Maybe not? Thanks, Michael Balamuth [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Changing the web_page_url parameter
Is it possible to change the web_page_url parameter using the mailman/admin/listname website? If so, where... I don't see it. If not, how do I change it? Thanks, /edg Ed Greenberg -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Weird domain action
Check your configuration, on the General page. Down toward the bottom you'll find Domain this list prefers for email. Make sure that doesn't have www in it. /edg --On Tuesday, May 04, 2004 1:09 PM -0500 Brian O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a web and mail server set up with the domain name osdlc.org. We are also trying to set up a mail list, but the server keeps adding www. to our mail list address. For example, i want to set up a mail list entitled [EMAIL PROTECTED], but the list comes out with the address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have two questions: How do I get that www off the list address? If that can not be done: how can I alter my DNS to account for the www that is added? Thanks in advance. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ? FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Unsubscribe without a password
On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 11:17:34PM -0500, Brian Haines wrote: I am very interested in the topic of configuring Mailman to allow subscribe/unsubscribe requests without a password. From the archives Simon White offered something of a solution and was willing to share it, but his email was not in the message (as it should be). I would be interested in Simon's or any other's solutions or thoughts on a solution. ~mailman/bin/add_members and ~mailman/bin/remove_members. These require privs. You should be aware that there are morons out there that will try to spam your lists with messages and probably fake subscribe/unsubscribe messages. If you allow for an Internet-wide subscribe without confirmation, you could easily be classified a spammer and end up on blackhole lists. You better know what you're doing before you dig into this. It isn't that hard for a user to subscribe or unsubscribe themselves. Admins, of course, can do it for them with the utilities I listed above or via the web pages. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:52:09PM +, Navegante wrote: I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single # SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Incidentally, please restrict your replies to only the relevant pieces of the e-mail and do not reply to a digest changing only the subject line. For a new question, please start a new thread so you don't mess up the threading model for those of us with real mail clients. Thanks! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Modifying Listinfo page for one list
Many thanks to Dan and Todd. I knew this was hiding somewhere, but couldn't figure out where. /edg --On Saturday, January 10, 2004 12:37 PM -0800 Ed Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my listowners raises a valid question. She has a list that is used for publishing a newsletter. No posting is allowed by anybody but the owner. When one visits the listinfo page, one sees the usual to post a message to all members send an email to info. I'd like to create a separate templates/en/listinfo.html for her list. Is there a good way to do this, other than redefining one of the languages (or adding a new language)? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Modifying Listinfo page for one list
One of my listowners raises a valid question. She has a list that is used for publishing a newsletter. No posting is allowed by anybody but the owner. When one visits the listinfo page, one sees the usual to post a message to all members send an email to info. I'd like to create a separate templates/en/listinfo.html for her list. Is there a good way to do this, other than redefining one of the languages (or adding a new language)? Thanks, /edg Ed Greenberg San Jose, CA -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Is there anyway to export members list to excel?
On Sat, Jan 03, 2004 at 10:28:18PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there anyway to export the members e-mail addresses to an excel spreadsheet? Sure. Do a bin/list_members to a text file and you can easily import that into Excel. Similarly, from an Excel spreadsheet, you can copy a column of e-mail addresses and paste that into a text file or directly into the web pages to add members. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] RELEASED Mailman 2.1.4
On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 04:04:37PM -0800, Ricardo Kleemann wrote: I have a question... I currently run mailman as installed via RPM (under SUSE 9.0). How can I upgrade via the tarball? I mean the rpm puts files into specific locations (such as both /usr/lib/mailman and /var/lib/mailman) and I wanted to make sure that when I upgrade, the files go into the same locations where they are currently. How can I specify the locations? Three options. 1. Since this is a security fix, SuSe should either backport the security patch into the version they've released, or upgrade to 2.1.4. You can post to a SuSe-specific list to find out what they plan on doing, or you could contact the package maintainer. 2. Grab the source RPM from SuSe's distribution. Install it, and then study the spec file to see what they've done and what patches they've applied. Merge the new source changes with theirs, or replace their source with the one from sourceforge. Rebuild the source rpm and have a good look at the rpm it produced to see if the files look like they'll go in the right locations. You'll also need to study any config changes and see if they're still applicable. 3. Remove the SuSe RPM. Install the sourceforge package and then migrate your lists over. Forget about ever upgrading from SuSe. You really have to decide if you're going to trust your distributor - SuSe in this case - or go to the original package maintainer for your updates. You shouldn't mix and match. I run Red Hat Enterprise Linux and simply go with a stock mailman package and watch for the updates myself. Red Hat doesn't even package mailman any more, but I went this route with an older Red Hat Linux when Red Hat still was shipping it. .../Ed p.s. In the future, please snip your replies to the relevant pieces. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to show all members from web?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:45:27PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll answer my own previous question first: I don't think MailMan allows removing all members from the web, from what I can understand in mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admin.py. This would be a *very* nice feature to see. sync_members would be really helpful too! My list admins need to regularly flush the announce lists and repopulate them from an internal database, and right now I'm flushing them manually. Giving the list admins an easy way to do this would save me getting involved. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] The causing a problem
While this is all true to some degree, don't overlook something even more obvious with regards to mailman, the web interface in trying to display that list name would actually be trying to display a page that takes a parameter. Apache / IIS would be significantly confused for sure. 's are not valid in HTML file names as they specify a part of a parameter list on the url. It's always a good practice to stick with a-z 0-9 _-. only in names and you'll never have any sort of issue with email servers or web servers. just my 0.02 worth --Ed At 03:08 PM 12/3/2003 -0500, you wrote: SW == Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SW The in shell has a special meaning, it would have to be escaped, SW because If you read Business Week, the Tech You column has a comment email address of tech[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just because the unix shell does something with doesn't mean it is invalid for local part of email addresses. The Mailman aliases should protect that in any case, because it could be used as a vector for attack, even if it does require sysadmin assistance ;-) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40easent.net __ EAS*Ent.Net - World Class Web Hosting and Email Box Services www.easent.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Re: AOL issue
We have had significant issues with AOL's new filters. These filters also seem to attack certain MIME configurations. While we haven't had significant issues with Mailman per se, we have had with our web log reporting engine which builds all those lovely charts and graphs into a MIME encoded message which is large. I'd be looking at those AOL filters as the culprit. To fix Mailman you can probably strip MIME encoding from the messages and resolve the issue... for now, until AOL adds some other moronic feature. HTH --Ed At 12:51 PM 10/29/2003 -0600, you wrote: Ryan wrote: Has there been any resolution to the AOL mailer issue? Is there an issue, and if so what is it? I have setting that match those which were reported to be a problem and mail goes to AOL just fine. I have several hundred AOL users receiving mail on a dozen lists, and yet my AOL bounces for the last 48 hours are 9 - and I assume some of those were one account bouncing two days running. I also asked on one list if AOL members would let me know if they were getting mail and how - and I got plenty of responses from both single e-mail and digest users. I'm not saying there is no problem but it does no seem to be wide spread, and clearly it can be dealt with from this side of AOL's iron curtain. I have heard a rumour that AOL's new spam filters are rejecting mail that has URLs as dotted quad addresses. If your server is identifying URLs this way it would be something to look into. Paul -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40easent.net __ EAS*Ent.Net - World Class Web Hosting and Email Box Services www.easent.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Renaming and Moving List to a different Sub-Domain
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:00:08PM +1300, Rafael Fischmann wrote: I have several lists in my server http://macmagazine.com.br and, before the number of them and the number of members inside them gets to big, I want to create a pattern for the lists' names and locations. How can that be made? We're using Mailman 2.1.2 in cPanel 8.5.3 - STABLE 3. There's an easy way to rename a list and there's a hard way. The hard way is documented in the FAQ - please search http://www.list.org first. The easy way can be used if you don't have any archives and don't care about providing a way for your user community to access the list by the old name. Simply create the new list, export the configuration of the old list, import that into the new list, and then list the members of the old list and add that to the new. That works fairly well for announcement-style only lists with no archives. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Adding a second list admin
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 04:58:07PM -0500, Frank Middleton wrote: Exactly. It worked just as documented. So how do I go about adding a new list admin, or replacing the current admin? Just adding the new name doesn't seem to be useful because there doesn't seem to be a way to notify them of their password. Unless I'm missing something (probably glaringly) obvious, it *should* send an email when someone is added, not just at list creation time. Clearly, people do inherit lists and doubtlessly change admins. I did RTFM and the Archives but drew a blank - but there must be a way... If you've added a second admin, that person can get the password from the first admin who should probably be informed that a second person has been added anyway. If the list admin changes, then the password should be changed. Using the site password, you can change the list password and then give that to the new admin. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] AOL now bouncing ALL email from ALL mailman systems
Well actually this is part of their new MIME filtering. We have a web log reporting engine that makes some positively huge email's with MIME encoded charts and other images. AOL barf's continually on these while it lets other MIME encoded traffic from us to the same person(s) go right on through. Just another case of the total ineptitude present at AOL. --Ed At 10:11 AM 10/24/2003 -0400, you wrote: LaMc == Links at Momsview com Links writes: LaMc Oct 23 09:39:34 myserver postfix/smtp[5615]: 974515884F8: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152], delay=1, status=bounced (host mailin-04.mx.aol.com[64.12.138.152] said: 500 SYNTAX ERROR, COMMAND UNRECOGNIZED) I've heard that this particular message is an obscured content-based rejection message. Perhaps your message was discussing something they didn't like, or perhaps they've banned mail referencing some particular domain. did that message include reference to a web site via IP address instead of name? they'll block those, too. My logs show message flowing just fine from Mailman to AOL at 9:24 am US Eastern Time, with the VERP'd return addresses. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Vivek Khera, Ph.D.Khera Communications, Inc. Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rockville, MD +1-240-453-8497 AIM: vivekkhera Y!: vivek_khera http://www.khera.org/~vivek/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/ed%40easent.net __ EAS*Ent.Net - World Class Web Hosting and Email Box Services www.easent.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Address matching behavior
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 03:50:44PM -0400, Vijay G. Bharadwaj wrote: I've been running a bunch of mailman lists for about two years now, and a couple of months ago I upgraded to version 2.1 from 2.0. Since the change, every message sent to any one of our members-only lists is being held for approval. The problem appears to be a change in mailman's address matching behavior. Previously, if [EMAIL PROTECTED] was subscribed, email from [EMAIL PROTECTED] would be accepted as well. The new mailman, however, doesn't think [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a member, and so holds the message for approval. I believe that this is the intended behavior. You need to determine if you want outgoing mail to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] - you should not use both. The 2 e-mail addresses are different, and I think you need to fix the outgoing mail to masquerade [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would think the 2.0 behavior, as you specified, is a bug. How would you expect it to work if [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] are different users? From an outsider's point of view, the most certainly are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is also different than [EMAIL PROTECTED] - in some cases at my site, they are (root for example). IMO, 2.1 is doing the right thing and you need to fix your outgoing mail behavior. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Not knowing what address is subscribed
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 02:12:32PM -0500, Allan Trick wrote: We're getting some people wanting to check their address in Mailman to see how we subscribed them (we seeded lists with extracts from our main database), and they don't know what address we used for them. That's why personalization is a good idea. For example, you'll note that mailman-users is personalized - every message has a footer that tells you what the address is. Is there any way for a person to confirm the address they're subscribed under? Or for Mailman to tell them That address is not subscribed if they type in one that isn't? The user may be able to figure it out from the headers but my guess is that if they can't remmeber what address they used, and they forward from address to address, they're unlikely to have the skills necessary to look at the headers. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] not allowing mass-subscription (web interface)
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:34:26AM -0400, Vivek Khera wrote: WY == Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: WY Lastly, is there a way to get Mailman to record information about WY confirmation of a subscription (if a link was clicked, from what IP; if WY via an email message, the headers of the message)? Is there a way to I've got some consulting money sitting about for someone to write such a feature into Mailman -- keeping record of the confirmation request and the confirmation response (either email or clickthrough data). Given the new anti-spam law coming into California with the burden of proof being on the e-mail sender that the user has really opted in, I don't see how we can avoid having this feature in Mailman. Some of run commercial mailing lists and it will be imperative for us to be able to demonstrate that the user really opted in. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] filtering by subject or other headers?
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:50:18AM -0400, Erez Zadok wrote: Is there a way I can setup mail filters by subject or other headers (not just by from/recipient)? Spammers often send spam faked as having been sent by my lists. Then I get all sorts of bounces from the actual recipients such as SpamAssassin Identified this message as spam. I'd like to setup a filter rule that says: if the subject line matches a certain string, discard this email and never tell me about it. However, I don't this kind of rule to affect the way other moderation or filter rules work. That is, if I configure mailman to hold all messages from unknown senders, then those not matching the spam filter rule I just described, should be left in the hold queue. I don't see anything that would stop you from processing the incoming e-mails through procmail before they get to mailman. Just change the alias to point to valid user, process the e-mail via procmail and do whatever you want with it, then bounce the result over to the actual list processor if it passes your tests. You could do your virus scanning the same way (although I would think that a callout from the MTA might be better). I don't believe that what you're asking for should be a mailman function. Mailman should primarily be used to quickly get messages into and out the lists - all per-message processing should be handled by outside apps. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:13PM -0500, Rob Day wrote: Hi, My organization just made the switch from Majordomo to Mailman. I am most pleased with Mailman to say the least. I am, however, having one problem. A user will subscribe to the list with the address [EMAIL PROTECTED], but their address will actually be [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mail sent to the expanded address (some.name) will be received, but the person will be unable to post to the list because the message comes from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does that make sense? No, this doesn't make sense. How are the users subscribing to the list? Via e-mail or web? It sounds to me like the user's MUA is misconfigured - either your e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or it's [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't have it both ways - mailman should correctly treat those as separate people since there is absolutely no way for it to know the difference. If you're subscribed with some.name, then post from some.name. If you want to allow posting from other e-mail addresses, then configure mailman so that non-list members are allowed to post. If you restrict posting to list members, then the client must be configured to post from some.name. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Variations of email addresses
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 03:58:59PM -0500, Mike Kercher wrote: Actually, it makes perfect sense. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is an alias. SuSE OpenExchange creates such aliases by default for users. The simple way around this (for the admin) is to explicitly allow [EMAIL PROTECTED] to post to the list. This way, you don't open the whole list up to spammers. You could also unsub some.user@ and then subscribe sname@ Hopefully, it would be a rare occasion that you'd have to do this. The proper approach to this is to rewrite the From address on the outbound address as well as aliasing the inbound. If the outbound e-mail is some.user@, then all will work properly. Allowing e-mail into the box to be consistently different than e-mail out of the box is a misconfiguration to me. There is no way for Mailman to know that the 2 addresses are equivalent unless somebody goes in there and manually updates the permissions list. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not sending to correct address
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 12:18:30PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote: I am using Mailman 2.1.2 on a Debian box with Exim 4.2. When I add myself to a list as say '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (where mailman is not installed or virtual-hosted on foo.com). Mailman always sends the mail to jknotzke on localhost instead of @foo.com because there is a jknotzke account on localhost. Yet if I send regular mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail arrives at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not localhost. mailman sent the message to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but your MTA decided that localhost was good enough. Have a look at your mailer tables to see if your localhost system also claims to be able to receive mail for foo.com -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] filtering posts to a list
On Tuesday, September 2, 2003, at 01:16 PM, Marty Galyean wrote: How would I insert an arbitrary perl filter for list posts? I want to filter out quoted instances of post footers in replies. They really add up when users don't trim and yet because the pattern is static it seem onerous for the uses to have to trim the footer out of posts all the time. I'm imagining the equivalent of a .forward file with a pipe to a perl script in it, that writes to the mbox file. What is the sanest direction to take? You can modify the posting alias to pass the message through your perl script before it gets to Mailman. I use a Python script I wrote for a similar purpose. The alias for my list looks like: profox:|python /home/mailman/stripQuote.py|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post profox ___/ / __/ / / Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://opentech.leafe.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] What version of Mailman works with python 1.x
On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 07:49:32AM -0500, William Collins wrote: I have a website on a server running Redhat 7.3 with python 1.x. Could you please advise me of which version of Mailman will run on this server? 2.0.13 should work just fine. You also have the option of installing the python2 package to run alongside python 1.x. If you do that, you should be able to install and run MailMan 2.1.2. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] how can I get a list of all members of my maillist
Folks, I using mailman 2.1.2. How can I get a list of all members of my maillist? I wnat to be able to cut and paste the list and put it in an email or another document. But I can only see it a few members at a time. Thanks, Ed Franckowiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM getting through on moderated lists
On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 09:56:49AM -0400, John A. Martin wrote:
Hmm That makes for IMHO an interesting question. Since many, if
not most MTAs can be configured to reject mail from specific envelope
senders, usually specified as regular expressions, the question is
what if any envelope senders related to mailman lists (and not
from our local {host,net}) can be rejected by an MTA that is
dedicated to handling incoming mail for only the lists.
It is advantageous to reject unwanted mail during the SMTP
conversation rather than later.
It should be pretty easy to cause a MTA reject all incoming mail from
non-local relays with any envelope sender address appearing among the
Mailman aliases.
This sounds like a good and safe thing to configure, but I'm not enough
of a sendmail expert to write those rules. What would one look like to
allow, for example, a mail message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] to only come from an
MTA in the foo.com domain?
Thanks,
.../Ed
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Re: [Mailman-Users] I can't get my mail list to work
On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 09:35:55AM -0500, Rick Cheney wrote: Hello, I have a mailing list at www.hcmcnurses.org we are a non-profit association and our web host, webmanix.com, is not very helpful. We cannot the mailing list to work. The mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not work. When I create a mailing list I get the text below. I didn't find an option on the Control Panel for editing the etc/aliases or running 'newalises'. I tried making folders named etc/aliases and adding a text file named text.txt to that folder with the information below, but it did not work. newaliases needs to be run by your mail host. It's not a mailman function - it's dependent on the MTA. The mailing list test on hcmcnurses.org with password test was sucessfully created. To finish creating your mailing list, you must edit your /etc/aliases (or equivalent) file by adding the following lines, and possibly running the `newaliases' program: ## test_hcmcnurses.org mailing list test_hcmcnurses.org: |/usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/mail/mailman post test_hcmcnurses.org Something's quite broken since it's combining your list name with your host name. test_hcmcnurses.org isn't a valid DNS name. It looks like webmanix doesn't have mailman configured properly. If they're not going to help you with this, then you may need to find a different mailman host. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass subscribe Member limit? (add_members)
On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 03:39:00PM -0300, Gustavo Gouvea wrote: Im using redhat 8.0 + mailman 2.0.13. It happens that Im using add_members to mass subscribe 25,000 members. When I try to do it, the script tells me that several email adresses was already subscribed, but they were not. I use list_members and bingo! The emails informed as already subscribed are not subscribed. Is there a maximum number of members I can subscribe once? I've done over 40,000 on Red Hat Linux 7.0 and mailman 2.0.13. When I saw the duplicate member error, it turned out that I had the same user in my text file twice, but with different case. Do a case-insensitive uniq on your input file and see if that helps. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Analysis of reasons for bounce responses
On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:32:09AM -0700, JC Dill wrote: At 09:30 PM 7/31/2003, Christine De La Rosa wrote: Hi Richard, Here is what I know so far, mail for most list members seem to be going through for the most part. About two weeks ago MM mass unscribed about 300 folx. Now we seem to have stablized the members but the owners of the lists are getting routinely bounced. Yahoo email address do not have a problem, aol is a major headache as is hotmail. This is a big clue that the MTA is improperly configured and is trying to deliver to the AOL and Hotmail servers messages for more recipients than those systems allow - triggering anti-spam filtering on the recipient MTA at AOL and Hotmail. The messages are then bounced. My guess is that they changed the MTA at around the same time they upgraded Mailman, and you are barking up the wrong tree to try to find the source of the problem. A quick test would be to drop the maximum number of recipients in Mailman. In mm_cfg.py, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 20. Details are in Defaults.py. This will chunk your messages to a maximum of 20 recipients at a time. Some people have done performance tests to suggest that dropping this to about 5 will give you better throughput. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] ip_addresse rather than hostname in forms?
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:05:41PM +, Kirk R. Wythers wrote: How can I configure a list to use an ip address in its listname instead of the hostname? For example I'd like all references to the list to be based on the machines ip address (i.e on the listinfo page To post a message to all the list menebers, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED], rather than [EMAIL PROTECTED], or when monthly reminders go out to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well. Is this possible? It should be possible, but I'd seriously question the reason for doing so. It's trivial and cheap these days to set up your own domain and have it hosted by a free DNS provider like zoneedit.com. Even dynamic IP users (like I am) can make this work without a lot of hassles and expense. For your hostname, try the IP address in square brackets, like [1.2.3.4]. Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] should work, but as I said, you really, really don't want to do this. .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] remove_members *really* slow
A few weeks ago, I used add_members to add about 44K users to a mailing list. I remember it taking only a few minutes at most. Today I needed to flush all the list members, and it's taking forever. On a P III/500, it's been running for 3 hours, used 2.5 hours of CPU, and the list is down to 28K members. Is there a faster way of doing this operation in 2.0.13? Should I just have deleted the list and recreated it? Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Statistics 4 all MM-lists
On Mon, Jul 28, 2003 at 06:02:39PM +0200, Christian Schoepplein wrote: Hello! I wonder how to get some statistics for my MM-lists. What I'm interested in is how many users are subscribed to every list, how many users are subscribed on all lists (not counting more than onetimes the users, that are subscribed to more than one list), how much trafic produces every list (count of messages and bytes), how much traffic produces every user (not so important) and how much traffic was produced for all MM-lists. Does anyone know a script, that creates some MM-statistics? Or would I have to hack such a script for my needs? Please check the list archives for the last few weeks. There were a couple of scripts posted that produced some basic stats. At least the traffic stats were there. To get a simple count of members per list, just write a quick script that does a list_lists, and for each one, do a list_members | wc -l. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Deleting the archives
Is there a way to delete the archives? I've been sending a lot of test messages before it goes live and I don't want them in the archives. Thanks in advance, Ed __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Read Only List
Is there a way to make a read only list? I've read through the docs, but I didn't see anything about that. Thanks, Ed __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] mass subscription
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:03:34PM -0400, Rob Eckerson wrote: I want to mass subscribe people that I have on another list. I want to just send them an email with a link to subscribe( cutting out the confirmation email). These people have already opted in to receive email from me. Since you've already got the list, simply do the following: bin/list_members listname listname.members bin/add_members -r listname.members newlist You've got the option on the add_members to have the welcome message go out or not. The members could easily unbsubscribe based on the welcome message. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating from Lyris to Mailman - Lookingforfunctionality and/or workarounds
On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 07:50:39AM -0700, Karen G. Schneider wrote: - Daily, weekly, and/or monthly subscription reports to list managers with numbers of new subscriptions, unsubscribe, bounces, etc. This would be extremely useful. Could we see this in a future release? And while we're begging for features, on the report I'd like to see how many subscribers actually got the postings. Example, if you have a 50K user list, but only 45K were successfully delivered, I'd like to know that. Ideally, I'd like to be able to get this for *every* posting. This would be ideal for announcement-only lists. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Mailman stats for successful/unsuccessful posts?
Given that we just dumped out a mail message to 40K recipients, is there a way for me to determine how many have received the message and how many are still in the queue? Yesterday I had lots of grief, and there were entries that qrunner later picked up, but the remaining users we're in sendmail's mailq, nor were they in /var/spool/mailman/qfiles. Where are they hiding so that I can get a quick snapshot? I'm running mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0. Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Duplicate messages
I'm trying to discover why mailman sent the same message multiple times to the same recipients. I don't believe it happened to every recipient on my list, but as Murphy's Law would have it, some key people did get the message more than once - some got it at least 3 times. The message really was only posted to the list once. What can I look at to see why this happened, and to ensure that it doesn't happen again? I'm running Mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0. Thanks, .../Ed -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Outgoing mail failure
I'm experiencing a severe problem with an outgoing list. After a fair bit of testing on a small number of recipients, we gave it an address list of 44322 addresses. When we posted to it overnight, a few unexpected things started happening, which I'll attempt to document below. 1. smtp file reports a lot of failures: [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# grep 'Jul 16' smtp | grep -v 'Connection refused' Jul 16 01:15:35 2003 (21028) smtp for 44322 recips, completed in 252.830 seconds Jul 16 01:26:02 2003 (22215) smtp for 43485 recips, completed in 583.220 seconds Jul 16 01:40:04 2003 (27387) smtp for 42745 recips, completed in 524.006 seconds Jul 16 01:41:43 2003 (27387) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 3.295 seconds Jul 16 01:43:03 2003 (27387) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 1.122 seconds Jul 16 01:53:26 2003 (32732) smtp for 42245 recips, completed in 366.774 seconds Jul 16 02:02:22 2003 (4857) smtp for 41485 recips, completed in 108.675 seconds Jul 16 02:03:58 2003 (4857) smtp for 3 recips, completed in 1.694 seconds The first attempt appeared to try and deliver to all the recipients, but then it looks like it retried and retried, over and over again. Ther are over 47,000 'Connection refused' messages in the smtp file. I see a corresponding number of entries in the post log. 2. The smtp-failure file has a log of (ignore) messages in it, like so: Jul 16 01:15:36 2003 (21028) -1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ignore) There are currently 936796 ignore entires in smtp-failure 3. When qrunner runs, the load average goes through the roof - 40-60 and higher, until it's killed. It forks python processes like crazy. We're running mailman 2.0.13 on Red Hat Linux 7.0 with a 2.2.24 kernel. It's a dual P III/500 system with 256MB memory. We're using sendmail-8.11.6-25.70 Since the smaller test cases (~400 users) worked fine, I'm assuming that sendmail and mailman are properly configured and talking to each other as they should. I don't know what the problem is with this larger batch. The message is small - sendmail reports it as size=1581. The sendmail queue is almost empty - it hasn't topped 200 since the posting went out. At 1am it was 1 request, and at 2am it was only 74 (mostly bounces I think). Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] newbie question
Hi folks, I've setup mailman for a low-traffic public list and, while all the mails seem to get through just fine, I'm having one nagging little problem. I'd like the Reply-To: address to point to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] but mails sent from the list appear to be from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in spite of my efforts to specify the Return-To: settings through the mailman admin tools. For instance, heres part of a header: Received: from onyx.he.net (onyx.he.net [216.218.161.2]) by forge.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6AEFXMf018850 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 10:15:33 -0400 Received: from eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu (eaps-dhcp-131.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.3.131]) by onyx.he.net (8.8.6p2003-03-31/8.8.2) with ESMTP id HAA05609 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 07:15:33 -0700 and it appears from this that sendmail is changing the Reply-To: address. Any suggestions on how I can fix this? thanks! Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] newbie question
On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 11:33, Jon Carnes wrote: Hay Ed, What version of Mailman are you using? Guessing that you are using a recent version, you should be able to set the Mailing host (as opposed to the Web host) separate within the configuration file: ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py Hi Jon, Thanks for responding! I'm using mailman-2.1.2-2 as shipped with RH 9 and the machine has the name forge.lcs.mit.edu with a CNAME of dev.mitgcm.org pointing to the same IP address. Through the Mailman admin web interface I set the Reply-To: address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] and in the Mailman config file I set: DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'dev.mitgcm.org' and also in sendmail.mc I used: MASQUERADE_AS(`dev.mitgcm.org')dnl FEATURE(allmasquerade)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl FEATURE(masquerade_entire_domain)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(forge.lcs.mit.edu)dnl MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(dev.mitgcm.org)dnl and made sure to run the sendmail.cf--rebuild command and restart all daemons. But after all that the emails from the list still arrive at my inbox with To: and Reply-To: addresses of [EMAIL PROTECTED] when what I'd prefer is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Its really just an annoyance since the list emails seem to go to all the right places -- I just want the different fqdn in the To: and Reply-To: headers. So I'm stumped. What config-file invocation am I missing? You would be setting up a virtual domain since the address is different from the default. The kids are calling so I've got to be running! Good Luck - Jon Thanks again and I hope things are going well in NC! ;-) Ed -- Edward H. Hill III, PhD office: MIT Dept. of EAPS; Room 54-1424; 77 Massachusetts Ave. Cambridge, MA 02139-4307 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://web.mit.edu/eh3/ phone: 617-253-0098 fax: 617-253-4464 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Install question
Hi List, I have RedHat9, Postfix 2.0.13, and Mailman 2.1.2 ... I've installed it per all the readme's and I can send mail to the list and receive mail from the list. However ! My server is listx.somedom.tld and all of my lists [ for now ] will be [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... There are A and MX records pointing at this server and they resolve to listx.somedom.tld ... My problem is that Mailman always responds as and provides a return address as listname [ or command name ] @ somedom.tld ... It totally ignores the listx part of the address ... I configured it in the mm_cfg.py properly for both the default_url_host and default_email host and it generates the links properly in the emails BUT the return address is always wrong ! Help ! It's got to be something simple I'm sure ;-) TIA --Ed World-Class Web Hosting and Development http://www.easent.net -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 03:08 AM, Richard Barrett wrote: If I can paraphrase what I think you have said; some messages sent to subscribers of the subordinate list bounce and these bounce messages are being returned to the superior list with information indicating they were bounced by the subordinate list's email address. Yes. I think you are asking for a means for the superior list to selectively ignore those bounce messages. Either that, or to intercept the subscription disabling process so that the address is not disabled. A more pertinent question would be be why is the superior list should/would be seeing those bounce messages. My thoughts exactly. Occasionally I have had bounce messages sent by other servers back to some address other than the address in the Return-Path: header - some have gone back to the list, some to the list-owner, etc. IOW, something screwy in one of the thousands of servers I send mail to. If the messages your script chooses to pass down to the subordinate list are simply posted by it to the subordinate list then any bounce from the subordinate list's subscribers should be received by and handled by the subordinate list's bounce processing; and MM doesn't normally tell posters about bounces resulting from distribution of their posts by the list. Are you certain that the bounce messages do not actually stem from occasional failure of your script to take successful delivery of a message from the superior list? I grep'd the logs on my server, and couldn't find any entries for the proxy address that didn't have status=sent on the line. ___/ / __/ / / Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://opentech.leafe.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:38 PM, Richard Barrett wrote: It is the sent to stdout via print commands, which are received by the subordinate list like any other message would be. When the list sends the message out, it supplies its own Return-Path:, etc., headers, as any list would do. But what is going to happen if your script decides _not_ to forward the message to the mailman wrapper. Would you not be better using os.popen() if you decide to deliver the message to the subordinate list. As things stand is not the normal post script is being asked to read a message from an empty pipe? It may cope with that but why make it do so and what are the consequences. A little sleight-of-hand: if the message is not to be sent to the list, I add a particular header to the message. The subordinate list is then configured to automatically discard any message containing that header. So all messages get forwarded to the list, but only the good ones ever get sent out to subscribers. ___/ / __/ / / Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://opentech.leafe.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Preventing address from being unsubscribed
I have a list that is pretty high-traffic. I have a separate list that is a sub-set of the big list. To do this, I have an email address that subscribes to the big list, and this address is aliased to a series of python scripts that determine if the message should be passed on to the small list. So far, everything is working great. The problem is that some bounces from the small list are being seen as a bounce from this proxy email address, and Mailman disabled the proxy address, cutting off the whole sub-list processing. Is there any way to tell Mailman to *never* remove certain addresses? I.e., to exclude them from bounce processing actions? ___/ / __/ / / Ed Leafe http://leafe.com/ http://opentech.leafe.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
