Re: [MBZ] WAS Zerk Fittings NOW shoes vs tools

2007-06-08 Thread Zoltan Finks
Yes, I'm for equal rights too. This reminds me of a bit on the show King of Queens when Doug and Carrie were arguing over the obsession with footbal and shoes respectively. Doug says, defending football, can you spend an entire Sunday wathcing shoes? and of course Carrie responds Yes, I can.

Re: [MBZ] 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting

2007-06-08 Thread LWB250
--- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that measured with or without the vacuum line hooked up? The article on mbz.org suggests without, but I'm unclear whether that is when the car is stationary (presumably idling), while in motion, or both. 1.) Without 2.) Both Poos

Re: [MBZ] 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting

2007-06-08 Thread LWB250
--- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 123.123.12 Probably a 722.116, based on the information you gave me. 2.8 bar. position D, 65 km/h 4.8 (+/-0.2) bar, position D, stationary All measurements at operating temperature with vacuum line disconnected. Poos

Re: [MBZ] antenna not retracting

2007-06-08 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Another possibility is that the mast cable was not going into the drum properly and as such the motor was not able to produce enough force to pull it in. - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June

Re: [MBZ] Zerk Fittings

2007-06-08 Thread OK Don
Everything must be in balance then - My wife only has four pairs of shoes, but I have a LOT of tools, and keep accumulating them! testicles intact. On 6/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a pitifilly meager supply of tools yet my wife has the predictable amount of shoes.

Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?

2007-06-08 Thread OK Don
I use a piece of 6mm Allen wrench about an inch long that I cut off the long end, with a 6mm 1/4 inch drive socket and a u-joint. Non were so tight that I needed the hammer-driven impact wrench. Mine were on the 603 and 602 engines, so YMMV. I also vote for changing them all at once - in and out

Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2007-06-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
I think it sounds like a good price. Enjoy it. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:28 PM To:

Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?

2007-06-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Curt, So will you install Fred's new manifold? I am out of town this weekend but later on-maybe this could be the focus for the NE 'chowdah Q I will keep cold beer and tools in your hand while you work. Dwight. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
Curt Raymond wrote: '85 190D 2.2l 5spd manual. When its cold out, like below 60 degrees but above freezing, when my 190D first start it shudders a little like idle is too low, it smooths out quick. Below freezing I have to keep my foot into the go pedal for a second or two before it'll idle,

Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
Curt Raymond wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I think one is dead and since it looks like a job to do it I want to get at 'em while its nice out, not at -20F... It looks like it'll be alot easier if I

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
Jim Cathey wrote: Is it time? The IP front seal awaits. It's a rather involved job to pull the injector pump. And there's the siezed AC compressor too... Strategy: 1 Jack up front of car, for general access. 2 Remove radiator, condensor, and auxiliary fan. (The justification is to

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread kok.hong
How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? KS - Original

Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2007-06-08 Thread OK Don
The tranny rebuild in my SLC was $1800 about six years ago. -- so $2231 sounds about right today. On 6/7/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it sounds like a good price. Enjoy it. Dwight -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread OK Don
Sounds like the cold start injector is plugged, or not spraying fuel as it should. On 6/7/07, kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't

Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
A 6mm allen 1/4 inch drive socket would fit. a short 6mm allen 3/8 drive won't fit. I'd still opt for snap-on for the 1/4 inch drive because of the torque put on it. 2 of mine came apart ok, but one I put about 80 ft-lb on and twisted the allen close to 30 degrees but the bolt did not budge.

Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
Herr Doktor's swivel socket is another good option. I don't own any swivel sockets, so I never thought of that one. At 09:14 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
another reason I like my OM 603s. And I didn't even know it. At 09:20 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Is it time? The IP front seal awaits. It's a rather involved job to pull the injector pump. And there's the siezed AC compressor too... Strategy: 1 Jack up front of car, for

[MBZ] 115 starter key lock removal

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
I was trying to get the starter lock assembly out of the steering /ignition lock a few weeks ago on my 76 300D junker and there was no hole for the pin. Can anyone tell me how to get the thing out? Can anyone tell me how to get the steering lock out of the column? I have it loose, and can

[MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]

2007-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, Go check out my tranny adjuting article written many moons ago at http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/adjust/ Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Craig (was in Austin, TX, now

[MBZ] w124 vacuum control valve transmission

2007-06-08 Thread John M McIntosh
Wife complaints new wagon (w124) is thunking into each gear. Drive it about for the day. Yup. Mmmm I wonder, stick mini vac on line to transmission ok, onto line before vacuum control valve ok. Start car, vacuum from pump ok, behind restrictor (green plug) ok. To transmission. ZERO Ah,

Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
Likewise, welcome back Good to have more knowledgeable people here. Loren At 10:09 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Loren Faeth

Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]

2007-06-08 Thread LWB250
--- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Craig (was in Austin, TX, now in Los Alamos, NM) Good to be back. Los Alamos? Lucky dog. I did a fair amount of work there in the late 80s and early 90s. Spent a lot of time

Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]

2007-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to be back. Los Alamos? Lucky dog. I did a fair amount of work there in the late 80s and early 90s. Spent a lot of time backpacking in Bandelier on the weekends... Been here about 4.5 years and haven't made it

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Tarek Elshenawy
Jesus Christ! If you're in Raleigh, I suggest you check you Classic Performance Auto on Trinity Rd. All the guy has worked on his entire life is Mercedes. Excellent service, quality work and good prices on parts and labor. I suggest you check him out; he's very knowledgeable in all aspects of

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:40:49 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This car is really turning into a heap-o-project. Sigh. Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Craig

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
Laurelhurst does booming business for Bio. It does eat the rubber bits when used full strength. Take it down to B20 and you get the lubricity advantages, as well as the reduced CO2 and particulate. No reduction of NOx. Does make the engine run quieter and smell better than the rear end

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
Article in the paper today has Seattle Biodiesel (imperium) contracting with some Algae group in San Francisco to supply oil to the huge plant due to be finished this month. Will be great to see the oil burning ships of the navy using BioDiesel made right here in WA On Jun 7, 2007, at

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
RUN AWAY! This sounds like the cretin who sold me the POS SDL on eBay four years ago. He was going to pick me up at the airport too. He missed that and I waited a few hours, called his home #, talked to his retarded wife. She had no idea what I was talking about. The seller

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Zoltan Finks
Okay, now you know I'm going to have to ask you some more specifics to find out if this is the same guy here. What town did he live in, or claim to live in? He gave me his home address, or maybe it was a shop or something, but let's try to match up information here. Was his ebay name the same?

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Right now it's a rusty sh**heap. Who knows, the name may stick! But it's a 40 mpg rusty sh**heap. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread kok.hong
Thank you, OK Don. I will check the cold start injector. Also thank you to Kaleb C. Striplin on my 190E low coolant light and high temp. It was the sensor. And when I removed it, found lots of debris between the contacts. I also broke the lock ring to replace the sensor. The lock ring was

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread Hendrik Riessen
From memory it is just a circlip, should be able to get one at a good nut and bolt place. Also check your idle control valve, your fuel injection computer may be busted, or your over protection relay is toast, there is a 15 amp fuse on top of it. All these things are behind the battery,

[MBZ] Mooseday

2007-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
If you thought the picture of the 300SD strapped to the front of a semi was weird, what do you think about this? Wheelchair-bound man taken on wild ride lodged in truck's grille http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706080334

Re: [MBZ] 190D status

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
I vote for calling it the baby buggy If it stays full of brown stuff, maybe baby diaper would be a good name At 01:28 AM 6/8/2007, you wrote: Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Right now it's a

Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o

2007-06-08 Thread Ed Booher
On 6/7/07, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan, The highest yield comes from an oil producing algae that gives an exponential yield compared to soybeans Further, there is an algae that the Indians (and that's Asian India Indians, not Native Americans) have been experimenting with

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on

Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-08 Thread Donald Snook
Larry wrote: I thought that car was sold a couple of times? Did *another* deal fall through? How much are you looking far anyway? I thought I had someone here in Wichita that was going to buy it. Also, Bill R. is interested in it, but is waiting for legal issues to be resolved. It

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
You wrote:I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. Couldn't agree more. You know, ATs have been built in the same basic configuration for something like 60-75 years. I would have hoped than in all that time they would have refined the methods of

Re: [MBZ] Auto Tranny Testing Checking

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Someone provided this link ( http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/adjust/) to an article about checking AT transmissions on W123 W126 Diesels. Does anyone know if this article applies to a W124 also?? Particularily (for me) a 91 300D 2.5. TIA -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)

[MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
One of the third tier dealers as I call them (not a new car dealer, not a big used car lot, but a place with about 10 - 15 cars for sale at an abandoned gas station) has a '99 E320 wagon with 4matic for sale. It looks like a nice car inside and out, but I never make the first stop at a place like

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn't the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct?

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody

Re: [MBZ] 95 E320

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Don wrotesend me $5000 in small unmarked bills So, does that mean you wouldn't accept *large*, marked bills? ;-) I'll ponder that price for a while - thanks. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results

Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Hi Allan, You wrote:10 - 15 cars for sale at an abandoned gas station Those are the kinds of places I always think of as having the flood damaged cars (for some reason) from the last hurricane season! Be careful if you start looking seriously at one - All those flood damaged cars must be

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Hi Allan, That's a shame - if you're right ( I'm sure you are), we now have throw-away $100K cars! But I guess from the manufacturer's POV, once the initial sale is made and profit taken, the Manufacturer washes his hands in anything to do with a car they spent so much time and effort

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread dave walton
sarcasm Let me point out that Mercedes has fully met it's obligations to provide warranty service - even on vehicles that it made with serious material and design flaws. The fact is that a $70,000 Mercedes has no better warranty than a Yugo. It is just another car, after all. /sarcasm -Dave

[MBZ] 91 350SDL

2007-06-08 Thread wilton strickland
Coupla weeks ago, I asked list for info on MB tranny repair in Raleigh area; 'got no answer. Griffin was recommended by indy MB tech at D E Quality Ser. as being consciencious and well experienced MB tranny guy. We all hope for good, long-lasting repairs. When I picked up car after repair,

Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those are the kinds of places I always think of as having the flood damaged cars (for some reason) from the last hurricane season! Be careful if you start looking seriously at one - All those flood damaged cars must be *somewhere* !! I have trouble

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some things are unknown and unknowable. This means that some things should be done, even though they can't be measured.

[MBZ] MB Interface for Alpine CD Changer

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Hi Kaleb, I am getting ready to order the MB Interface to use a Alpine Changer with my Becker Grand Prix Amp, head unit and tuner. Can you tell me what the MB interface box looks like? I found this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110011375513 which says it is an

Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's strange 603

2007-06-08 Thread Loren Faeth
Give ya $50 for it At 08:54 PM 6/2/2007, you wrote: yes, I do still have it. John Robbins wrote: I'm blind. Found another pic of what I wanted. That still is a really strange setup... John Robbins wrote: http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/603engine/ Do you still have this engine Kaleb? Is

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 6/8/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Wilton's position in life, the peace of mind of rebuilding the trans outweighs the cost. The good news is that he sees a noticeable improvement. Lets hope the 350SDL serves him as well as he has served us. Hear, hear! Alex Chamberlain

[MBZ] Transmission pressure gauge (was: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting)

2007-06-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 6/7/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will check to see if the loaner I had is still floating around somewhere. If not, I can give you some suggestions for making one - it's not a big deal. Poos Thanks Dan! Waiting with bated breath for this one! I have to get the car up in the air

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread R A Bennell
I had trouble with a GM 700R4 in my Chevy Suburban. I had it rebuilt at about 130K miles and it needed it again at 180K miles. Motor was fine but tranny was junk. I debated doing it myself and did some research on the matter. Ended up selling the vehicle due to concerns about rust, upholstery

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Zoltan Finks
Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. Brian On 6/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUN AWAY! This sounds like the

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread John Freer
Clay's playing with you. It's 1400 miles between Arlington TX and Hemet CA. Unless your seller in Hemet, CA likes long commutes, it's very unlikely it's the same guy. But, you never know On 6/8/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now

[MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread Jim Cathey
Wednesday, June 6, 2007 At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. (Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. Friday, June 8, 2007 I prepped the car for Jill's cross-state road trip to see our niece's Christening. I put the cooler in the

Re: [MBZ] Mooseday

2007-06-08 Thread Wonko the Sane
Yikes! I'd love to read the aide's written documentation of the trip out. On 6/8/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you thought the picture of the 300SD strapped to the front of a semi was weird, what do you think about this? Wheelchair-bound man taken on wild ride lodged in truck's

Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL

2007-06-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 6/8/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I picked up car after repair, Tranny Guy caught me lying on pavement beside car checking belly pans. He asked, excitedly, Sir, what are you looking at? I replied, Just trying to make sure belly pans are in place - not left off and lost

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Loren wrote:That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some Yeah, I'm sure some of the things we were being pushed toward were from books the people being paid to train us. A facility of 400 or so engineers, scientists, consultants, shoppers

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread ned kleinhenz
Blaming eco-nazi's is just a cop-out. I still blame Damlier-(whatever) for the self destructing wiring. With their large engineering staff, someone at MBZ had to know the characteristics of the selected wiring. And MBZ decided that they did not care, or maybe they realized the oportunity to

Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon

2007-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
LarryT wrote: All those flood damaged cars must be *somewhere* !! I have trouble believeing they were crushed Auto Network in Indiana often has hurricane cars when they are in season. I've seen deep water flood cars with Houston dealer license frames there.

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Zoltan Finks wrote: Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. If I recall correctly, it was quite middle eastern. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: Also I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. Menard's near me sells 8 packs of rat/mouse granola bars. Much better than those blue D-Con pellets that the mice just cart off and hide. Ultra Stop Bait Bars $2.98/lb A bar in the cabin, one in the trunk, and

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Allan wrote:Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work Which bring me to another huge problem I have with govt regulations which mandate

[MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread Donald Snook
Jim wrote: At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. (Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. I went to my convertible in storage and stole its electrical part, and put it on instead. (It must be love!) Other than a fuel fountain or two it

Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 6/8/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your diesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I had a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the diesels I owned and fuel lines

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Zoltan Finks
Yes, and actually the two of the last three Benz sellers I have seriously dealt with have sounded like they were of Indian heritage. (and as Seinfeld would say: not that there's anything wrong with that). I realize these people make a business out of flipping Benzes. I fully knew this going in

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have caught him in a few minor lies so far, but I think that that just comes with the territory. I am gambling on this being a good car, and I know the odds are decidedly against me. Lies, or oversights? Oversight: something minor he did not disclose

Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread John Robbins
Donald Snook wrote: Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your diesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I had a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the diesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels

Re: [MBZ] Self destruct wiring harness (was) 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
Not Mercedes' fault. Mercedes objected to the requirement that they have biodegradable wiring into new models starting in '92. Mercedes wanted a couple of extra years for testing, but the German government insisted that biodegradable wiring must be implemented NOW. By '96 they had worked thru

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Redghost
I did that with Gump and the dork at the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low. Cost more to register Gump that I paid for her. On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: very

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the trivialization of the term nazi and all the heinous acts they committed. Government regulators are NOT nazis in ANY sense of the word. If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather

Re: [MBZ] Self destruct wiring harness

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
Hi Marshall, It's good to have you back. What was the logic behind bio-degradable wiring? Was the plan that wiring last X years and then degrade so disposal would be easier? I always thought wiring - especially copper wiring - had enough value to entice people to recycle it. Perhaps auto

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread LarryT
you wrote: the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low That must be really irritating - to have some nameless, faceless bureaucrat decide what the value of your MB is based on what? His

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Somebody here probably knows RWD Volvos better than I, but I believe that early-'90s 240s have the same problem, so it's not just Mercedes. On 6/8/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the trivialization of the

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Terry Geiger
Volvo RWD (240, 760) did suffer from the same problem. I once owned an '86 Volvo 240 4 speed manual with electric overdrive. I repaired the engine compartment wiring harness several times. It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under the hood. Other than that, it was a

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
When I lived in Illinois the registration fee was flat based on vehicle type. All passenger cars had the same fee, regardless of value. LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you wrote: the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under the hood. I believe it was the heat of the engine compartment that triggered the self-destruction. Probably the insulation was designed to degrade in the sunlight (UV light) like trash

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
andrew strasfogel wrote: This sounds like another one of those urban myths... SNIP If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather than jsut some Mercedes models?? Not a myth at all. The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned)

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Zoltan Finks
Good words, Allan. I guess it's statements made that one does not know to be true. For instance the seller says that there is a dash pad installed that has no cracks in it. This in itself does not make total sense - of course a new dash pad does not have crack in it. BUT the problem is that on

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned)

[MBZ] Okie in Maine update

2007-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
I am in Bar Harbor, overlooking the ocean. I have found a cheap 91 300TE 4matic I want to buy and drive back home. I would probably be in trouble if I did that. Another update later!!

Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread mykd1
I've been on this list for several years now and never owned a diesel MB.. probably won't either. I can remember when this list was all gassers and there was a separate list for the stinky guys..:) I mean that in a nice way..;) Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL   118,000 Miles 2004 VW

Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers

2007-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop
diesel people stink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been on this list for several years now and never owned a diesel MB.. probably won't either. I can remember when this list was all gassers and there was a separate list for the stinky guys..:) I mean that in a nice way..;) Harry 69 280 SEL

Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D

2007-06-08 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was selling my SAAB recently, my wife told me, before I met with a potential buyer, hey you don't have to tell him everything that's wrong with it - you talk the car down too much!. I had to pause and think: really? do I not disclose every single

Re: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update

2007-06-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Kaleb, Glad you have reached Maine. For the record, that's Bah Hahbah when you say it. I would be leery of the tinworm on any 16 year old NE car-maybe not so bad on the 124, but I have seen some with rust on the edges, but not like the 123's. Enjoy-make sure you learn how to eat steamahs. Dwight

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread dave walton
I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140 diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then flakes away leaving exposed copper. While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven technology, it did not prevent Mercedes from

Re: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update

2007-06-08 Thread Gary Hurst
the furthest i've been in new england is to road island, but i kinda liked it. the rural poor white trash looks about the same as here, only they wear red sox caps adn talk like ted kennedy. On 6/8/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, Glad you have reached Maine. For the

[MBZ] 91 350SDL

2007-06-08 Thread wilton strickland
91 350SDL $58k new. Now at only 186kmi. Wilton

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? The late '94 and all '95 124 E300Ds (with OM606 engines) and the 140 diesels had defective wiring harnesses. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Marshall Booth
dave walton wrote: I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140 diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then flakes away leaving exposed copper. While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven technology, it did not prevent

Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control

2007-06-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Or bad idle control valve hoses, a bad boot between the air flow meter horn and the throttle body, and/or injector leaks. Typical vacuum leak problems. A bad accumulator will also cause starting problems due to low initial fuel pressure. Peter

Re: [MBZ] 115 starter key lock removal

2007-06-08 Thread Peter Frederick
Insert key, turn to position 1. Pull steel sleeve away from tumbler (it covers the hole). Turn key back to position 0 and remove key and sleeve. Insert key, turn to position 1, insert small screwdriver, etc into hole, pull cylinder out. Install in reverse order. The sleeve will only pull

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Thanks Marshall. I will stick with my 124, 602. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:22 PM To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost

2007-06-08 Thread John Freer
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the following entry which takes this particular MB way out of the original warranty time/mileage. I always wondered about this. Wiring Harness $2,800.00 90K May-01 John Freer On 6/8/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave