FWD can be more scary when the rear end steps out from behind you
substantially...
Best vehicle I've driven in snow was a quadratrac equipped full size
cherokee. Then again, in california, they haven't quite figured out how to
make roads driveable in the winter, so overkill in the capability
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:39 PM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
She is fine so that is the most important thing
Glad to hear no injuries involved, here.
Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement however. Anyone with a crystal
ball out there? Fuel mileage keeps coming to the
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Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 10:17 PM
FWD cars have better drive traction in the snow only because most of the
weight is above
. I don't think I've ever had really good snowtires but
even cheapo snowtires are better than all seasons.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:01:29 -0500
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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mileage so much
better.
Loading sleds into the pickup is easy in the winter, back up to a snowbank...
In the summer it stinks.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:27:08 -0700
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Randy wrote: Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The
insurance appraiser stopped looking after he had tallied up over $9K in repair
costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the car which I think is probably fair.
The car was really nice but also 10 years old.
Don't take their
there was that one time where the heater blower quit on
the way to work at -15F...
-Curt
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To: 'R A Bennell' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mercedes
Discussion List
drive doesn't matter
so much as really good snow tires. I don't think I've ever had
really good snowtires but even cheapo snowtires are better than all seasons.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 14:01:29 -0500
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
To: Mercedes
Kevin wrote: Best vehicle I've driven in snow was a quadratrac equipped full
size cherokee. Then again, in california, they haven't quite figured out how to
make roads driveable in the winter, so overkill in the capability department is
nice to have.
I AGREE! Although mine was a Grand Wagoneer
he's running all season tires though. I also hate how new cars open the
throttle out of proportion with the amount I push on the loud pedal...
-Curt
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:36:27 -0400
From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Boils down to front wheel drive or rear wheel drive doesn't matter so
much as really good snow tires. I don't think I've ever had really good
snowtires but even cheapo snowtires are better than all seasons.
Even among all seasons there are vast
AM
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Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Boils down to front wheel drive or rear wheel drive doesn't matter so
much as really good snow tires. I don't think I've ever had really good
snowtires but even cheapo snowtires
] What would you buy now?
I guess I missed it, what car are we talking about, what happened to it?
R A Bennell wrote:
Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The insurance
appraiser stopped looking after he had
tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095
someone out there should get a
nice replacement motor to drop into a
Camry.
Randy
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Randy wrote: Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The
insurance appraiser stopped looking after
he had tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the
car which I think is probably fair.
The car
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Tread composition and tread pattern both have a huge impact on snow.
Nothing but studs works on ice.
Nonsense. Bridgestone made studded tires obsolete with the first
Blizzak 10 years ago. Michelin copied their design and
Ah! well then you do know what a VW heater feels like.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
I've never had an old VW in the snow but would assume the superior
traction is at least offset
feels like.
Manfred
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
I've never had an old VW in the snow but would assume the superior
traction is at least offset by freezing to death... Of course
: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 5:49 PM
Well, that sounds a bit like the 1st generation Avalon. Often described as
Toyota's Buick given it is made in
America and bigger than the other Toyotas
Not true, they had the same wiring. Problems may have been less
obvious because of the relatively fewer engine sensors and ignition
wires that had to run accross the hottest part of the engine, but they
were still there. I've heard of a number of new diesel wiring harness
installs.
Everything
performance.
Randy
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I did wonder about that as well but she did not mention any
List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?/ABS
l've activated ABS only once on my 91 350SDL - 'worked very nicely. Years
ago at night in the rain, a car poulled out in front of me at an
intersection where I had a green light. I stomped the brakes and held them;
the system pulsed with a rapid
, September 08, 2008 6:32 PM
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No crystal ball, but I sure do like these later 124 Diesels -- I think
Marshall thought the '95 (?) 300D with the 606 engine was about the
ultimate.
Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement
is much better.
Last winter I had the summer tires and wheel in the trunk of the 190D, this
winter I'm going to try some tubesand to see if I can get better balance.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 11:17:12 -0500
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now
On the snowcar thing I should point out I drive 110 miles a day in snowy New
England and my commute goes from 1100 feet at home to 600 feet at work. There
are lots of times when its snowing at home and raining at work. The space in
the middle where its sleeting is always scary watching all the
, September 09, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
Pf! You've swallowed the line on that one. Snowtires and bad power to
weight ratio are WAY more important. My
240D is the best snow car I've ever driven bar NONE. Better than my Dodge
Dakota in 4wd... Its
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:51 AM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might convince me but I tell you, you would not convince my wife. In any
event, tires do make a huge difference
but I do think front drive does work better in the snow.
Like somebody said, the only difference between
] What would you buy now?
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 11:51 AM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You might convince me but I tell you, you would not convince my wife. In any
event, tires do make a huge
difference
but I do think front drive does work better in the snow.
Like somebody said
Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The insurance appraiser
stopped looking after he had
tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the car
which I think is probably fair. The
car was really nice but also 10 years old.
Randy
I guess I missed it, what car are we talking about, what happened to it?
R A Bennell wrote:
Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The insurance
appraiser stopped looking after he had
tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the car
which I think
my experience would indicate that the weight over the driving wheels
helps in other ways. It
was similar with the old rear drive VW bugs. They went through snow
well. Might have partly been the narrow tires
but I believe the weight over the driving wheels helped.
Click 'n' Clack tested a
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I guess I missed it, what car are we talking about, what happened to it?
I think it was Randy's wife that rammed a curb with her Avalon.
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Jim Cathey wrote:
Click 'n' Clack tested a FWD Honda (Accura?) against an old
RWD land yacht. The yacht kicked the Honda's butt. Their
conclusion? Weight. It's all about weight.
Too bad 165/80R15 snow tires are hard to find these days. You don't need much
weight in a Saab 99 running on
Raymond
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:50 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
Pf! You've swallowed the line on that one. Snowtires and bad power
to weight ratio are WAY more important. My
240D is the best snow car I've ever driven bar NONE. Better than my
Dodge
Also, the best car on snow was and still is the old VW bug. The engine
is over the drive wheels, giving great traction and the steering tires
are free to do what they are supposed to do - steer!
My parents had one, and there's a killer hill to get up to
on the way to their house. A 90-degree
And when did the planned obsolescence end?
At 09:28 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
Not true, they had the same wiring. Problems may have been less
obvious because of the relatively fewer engine sensors and ignition
wires that had to run accross the hottest part of the engine, but they
were still there.
back when i lived in upstate new york and cars were big and rear drive,
you'd just put a couple of hundred pounds of sand or cat litter or rock salt
in the trunk
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
my experience would indicate that the weight over the driving
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No crystal ball, but I sure do like these later 124 Diesels -- I think
Marshall thought the '95 (?) 300D with the 606 engine was about the
ultimate.
Sort
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that may well be
the end of it. Unfortunate as it was
a nice car. A 1998 Toyota Avalon with only about 75K miles on it. Clean, no
rust etc. I just put 4 new strut
assemblies and new back brakes on it about a month ago. I was about to
R A Bennell wrote:
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that
may well be the end of it. Unfortunate as it was a nice car. A 1998
Toyota Avalon with only about 75K miles on it. Clean, no rust etc. I
just put 4 new strut assemblies and new back brakes on it about a
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R A Bennell wrote:
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that
may well be the end
R A Bennell wrote:
She hit a bollard in front of the local Blockbuster movie store.
How fast was she going? If she was pulling into a parking lot, I don't
think you would have 'crumpled' any of the crumple zones.
She says she was pulling into the parking spot and stepped on the
brake and it
i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen cell cars?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
R A Bennell wrote:
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that
may well be the end of it. Unfortunate as it was a nice car. A 1998
Toyota
Gary Hurst wrote:
i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen cell cars?
A LONG way away... The auto industry as a whole has admitted that was a
huge failure. All the RD for *automotive* fuel cells has moved to
hybrids. Industry is still actively pursuing fuel cells for other
applications,
You mean ones normal people can afford?
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i'm wondering how far we are from
that's a shame. a hydrogen hybrid would be great to catch on about now.
i'm sort of thinking the internal combustion engine is dead. just a
question of how soon.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:05 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
i'm wondering how far we are from
Gary Hurst wrote:
i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen cell cars?
Another interesting point... In ChallengeX there was a Canadian
university that used fuel cells (only one in the competition). They had
all kinds of problems. One interesting point they made was they
couldn't test
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i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen cell cars?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
R A Bennell wrote:
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that
may well be the end of it. Unfortunate
no doubt. it has be nearly as reliable as the typical current engine to go
over. nobody wants a car you can't drive for 1/3 to 1/2 the year in much of
the usa.
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Gary Hurst wrote:
i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen
Gary Hurst wrote:
right. i'm not sure if it still pays to invest in internal combustion
technology, as in it seems to maybe not make sense to buy a new car until
the new dominant style will be out there.
if it's 20 years away, ok, maybe it pays to buy a 2009 or 2010, but if it is
5 years,
]
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R A Bennell wrote:
She hit a bollard in front of the local Blockbuster movie store.
How fast was she going? If she was pulling
it will have to be sooner if the worst case scenarios on oil are true.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:21 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
right. i'm not sure if it still pays to invest in internal combustion
technology, as in it seems to maybe not make sense to buy a
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i'm wondering how far we are from hydrogen cell cars?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:42 PM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
R A Bennell wrote:
Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend that
may well
Randy wrote: Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend
that may well be the end of it. Unfortunate as it was a nice car. A 1998 Toyota
Avalon with only about 75K miles on it. . . . Sort of lost on what to buy as a
replacement however. Anyone with a crystal ball out there?
cars...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:24:08 -0400
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it will have to be sooner if the worst
' 215#) powerful, efficient, sporty. Way more fun that
the Impala but a bit smaller (not what I'd consider a small car though). If it
were me I'd be sure to not count out Hyundai.
-Curt
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 13:58:03 -0500
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Randy wrote: Unfortunately, my wife had a mishap with her car this weekend
that may well be the end of it.
Unfortunate as it was a nice car. A 1998 Toyota
:58 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
I had an Impala as a rental this time last year, that'd have been an '07 or
maybe '08.
It was an okay car, pretty powerful, reasonably comfortable, reasonably
efficient, terminally boring.
In June I had a Hyundai Elantra, probably
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Hydrogen is just a intermediate fuel source and it has to come from
somewhere. These days, it's electricity.
Going direct, with an electric vehicle, is more efficient.
I still say hydrogen is another word for a crappy battery.
Mitch.
Randy,
Mis-behaving ABS? My family has had some adventures with ABS
weirdness., like sliding out into an intersection at low speed with
rock-hard brakes = ripple-y road surface confused ABS.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
At 02:32 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
She wouldn't have been going all that fast. She was
Mitch Haley wrote:
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Going direct, with an electric vehicle, is more efficient.
I still say hydrogen is another word for a crappy battery.
That is the only reason we haven't gone to EVs we don't have the
batteries. Lithium Ion is a good step forward, but the energy
'Zackly.
Wilton
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Tom Hargrave wrote:
Hydrogen is just a intermediate fuel source and it has
Moir
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Randy,
Mis-behaving ABS? My family has had some adventures with ABS
weirdness., like sliding out into an intersection at low speed with
rock-hard brakes = ripple-y road surface
. I
suppose it could be related. I wonder how one tests for something like that?
Randy
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to a smooth, straight ahead stop short of a collision. 'Saved bo'fus.
Wilton
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From: Hendrik Fay [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:47 PM
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Far as I understand
It pays to every now and then test the brakes to make sure that they are
working well, the best way is while you are going down a hill.
Make sure there ain't no car behind you.
A good mechanic will do this as part of scheduled maintenance or after
working on the braking system.
Hendrik
Wilton
No crystal ball, but I sure do like these later 124 Diesels -- I think
Marshall thought the '95 (?) 300D with the 606 engine was about the
ultimate.
Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement however. Anyone with a crystal
ball out there? Fuel mileage keeps
coming to the forefront on our
, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
No crystal ball, but I sure do like these later 124 Diesels -- I think
Marshall thought the '95 (?) 300D with the 606 engine was about the
ultimate.
Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement however. Anyone with a
crystal ball out
Seems that the biodegradable wiring was limited to the vergasser 124s
-- the Diesels seemed to be spared.
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me, too, but didn't those have the wiring probs - biodegradable insu, etc?
What year(s) was that. Friend had a 94
Oh, yeah, I think that's right. Thanks for reminder.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 8:56 PM
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Seems that the biodegradable wiring
batteries. Lithium Ion is a good step forward, but the energy density
of fossil fuels is very difficult to match.
They're terrible batteries. They lose 20% of capacity
every year, use them or not. They're great for a cell
phone that won't live that long, or a laptop computer
that probably
Hondog is supposed to be bringing a Diesel car to the US in the 09
models. Not sure if that includes CA or not. Might be worth a look,
as it is reputed to be quite thrifty. A jetta Dissel is
nice. Around here, a pretty decent Dodge caravan can be had for a
few thou. Not a mileage winner,
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