Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
The key point that I am trying to drive home is the limit on the amount of solar power available. This is a hard limit: ~1000 watts/square meter is the peak under ideal conditions. A more usable number is 200 watts during daytime, which takes into account average cloud cover and reduced energy

[MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have to comment after the recent post about the zero day exploit in Apple's OS. While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS out there has had Patch Tuesday every month for some years? Just wondering MacDan Sent from my iPad ___

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
10-4. I was thinking the same thing. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: What most religious people do - ignore that parts that they don't want to obey/believe. On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Jun 18, 2015 10:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. Have hack saw, will hack. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No one can hack my 1983 300TD. I have a totally impenetrable firewall. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Because Apple has allowed the popular impression that their OS is not susceptible to attacks to persist, and the lack of a regularly scheduled patch process fosters that. This is also part of the reason iOS is not going to gain traction in the corporate world. I can think of lots of people who

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
They're far from superior and invincible, that's for sure. No fanboy here. Just opining over why this makes headlines when there are similar issues with other OS' and rarely ever press about it. Agreed with the car situation. No matter who runs under the hood, it's going to be a big bullseye

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
A: Because the other OS out there, (also Linux), recognize that there are bugs to be fixed and holes to be patched, and do so on a manageable schedule instead of claiming (at least by the fan boys) that they are superior and invincible. B: Since the last discussion was about an Apple car. No OS

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Dan wrote: While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular? So there's only two?? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Philip questions : Dan wrote:   While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Other? Singular?  So there's only two?? ‎In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would make sense to

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
My Ubuntu 14.04 laptop seems to update more often than the Windows 8.1 PC does, and at times that I least expect it to. My iOS 8.3 iPad mini is now a brick ( for my use) since Apple broke the wireless connection to the Garmin Glo GPS receiver, and isn't in any hurry to fix it. -- OK Don NSA:

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread MG via Mercedes
BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Jim Cathey wrote: investigating for an upcoming 5000kw system purchase. 5MW? That's pretty big! There's a lot to be said for a

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I belong to a sect that only has 8 members, we worship 7 gods, and we are the only true religion, death to all others... Crazy enough? Snark off... On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Congrats Fred! Second 124 wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay

2015-06-18 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Non turbo too? On Jun 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and

[MBZ] Jaime I need help! '87 wagon radio replacement

2015-06-18 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Jaime, The aftermarket Sony radio in my '87 wagon finally died, and whomever installed it really hacked up the factory wiring. Some of the original connectors appear to be there, I found two. Looks like the factory radio should have been a Becker Grand Prix, model 754. I've got a spare Becker

Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I know. WTF. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Non turbo too? On Jun 18, 2015 2:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
On June 18, 2015 at 8:21 PM archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough I remember an article in Popular Science in the 70s or 80s.

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I'm not a fan of concentrated solar power. Too many bird deaths, and now it appears they miscalculated the efficiencies as well. Distributed solar is the way to go. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 10:36 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you are only talking about return on

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Dwight.Not sold yet.I'm now up to 5 Benz. (arrgh).2x 1987 190DT, 2x 1987300TD, 1x 1985 300TD, plus a 2004 VW Jetta and and Joanne's 2001 Volvo V40.I think that I may need an intervention.Time for Craigslist or fleabay before I wake up a soprano. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu,

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Ohh? Really? Show me the return on investment capital from product [energy] generated and sold. Lots of money spent.. very low return on investment.. so much so.. Spain has put a stop on further underwriting of projects, last I heard. If your point is, plants were built. Then yes.. they exist.

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
The situation doesn't seem to be quite like you describe it, Grant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentrated_solar_power#Parabolic_trough G Mann wrote: The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy,

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
If you are only talking about return on investment, then that's generally true in the U.S., but the success and durability of such plants in producing electricity seems to be well proven. Spain has been in dire straits economically, and it has elected a conservative president. I suspect these

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Max.Yup! (I need my head examined) Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 20:44:44 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From: mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: dillonm...@gmail.com Congrats Fred! Second 124 wagon? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread MG via Mercedes
Yeabut where do I get $15 million? I'm not affiliated with any Gov dept or big company that can get Gov funding for it. And then there are all the trees I'll have to cut down since I'm not in the desert. Think of how many tree huggers will be out to get my head on a pike for that one. Guess

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? On Jun 18, 2015 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes
Oh you bought it! I should have known. On Jun 18, 2015 10:14 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: You sold,your wagon, Fred? What are u driving? On Jun 18, 2015 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Attaboy! Well said, and thank you. That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical use application. Solar just isn't there, yet. If it ever will be remains to be developed at some point in the future. If you live in one of the sunshine states, it is costly, but

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?? --R On 6/18/15 12:46 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: On Mercedes content.. I just bought an 82 Diesel 300 Turbo CD needing total restoration [see above for level of insanity required to take on such a project] Arizona car, zero rust. zero body damage, paint and

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab clinic? Preferably one with a good paint shop, and body lifts? There must be a Mercedes Annomous somewhere nearby where I can find help..

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Icarus did pretty good until he flew too close to the sun... On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:10 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Attaboy! Well said, and thank you. That is the exact point I was attempting to drive to in terms of practical use application. Solar just isn't

[MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them, with their silly little front bumpers, houndstoothy cloth interior, undersized rear bumper, and pedestrian manual transmissions. Now look at the hysterical bidding war - 59 and counting.

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Since we were talking about security - openBSD might be the best option. http://www.openbsd.org/ On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 12:44 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yup - Linux is approaching 2%! How about SCO?? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:44 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Philip questions : ‎In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. If you are writing malicious code, it would

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Isn't this Mercedes Anonymous ??? We offer support and help . . . We want before, during, and after photos of the restoration - - - On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 1:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That's SICK cheap. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
You and Grant need to start Benzanon --R On 6/18/15 3:33 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik

Re: [MBZ] Oh the madness! The hysteria!! Euro version 300D on ebay

2015-06-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
It looks pretty good in the photos. Cracked dash and no AC but apart from that, not bad. $5600 does not get you a whole lot these days. RB On 18/06/2015 1:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is insane. These cars were worth maybe $2,000 back in the 90s. Nobody wanted them,

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy erecting a 13,500 sq ft workshop. Project will not start until that is up. The car has been in outside storage for 2 + years so it looks pretty grim

[MBZ] Azt)9!#

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I will hand make the new interior using the supply of vat dyed deer skin [soft as a babies butt] leather which I have from the days when I bought and sold executive aircraft and did custom interiors and finish on them to the new buyers livery. It was standard practice to always have a second set

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Send us a sample of tundra green, or a link if you prefer. On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone suggest a rehab

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
But will you install genuine, aromatic Italian ROSER leather or rich (fine, soft) Corinthian leather? --R On 6/18/15 2:30 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Hi , my name is Grant and I'm addicted to Mercedes. I've tried to kick the habit for 20 years now and can't seem to do it.. ;)) Anyone

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
A little rusty, but I like the color. Don't think I've ever seen a green 124TD before. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about 25,000 square meters for 5 MW. Around 4000 square meters

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Mitch.Hunter Green, not an mercedes color AFAIK. I have asked for the manufacturer and color code.Original color was smoke silver (beige). Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:50:47 -0400 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik From:

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 18/06/2015 4:14 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: MG via Mercedes wrote: BIG oops! 5kw. Though the 5mw system would be very nice to have if it was the same price. Then again I probably don't have the room for it. I have only 42 acres. Well, let's see. 5 square meters per kW, so about

Re: [MBZ] Was Apple

2015-06-18 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
For those that don't know, the F-16 has a quad redundant (including sensors) digital fly-by-wire flight control system starting with block 40 (first LANTIRN birds). One day during hard ACM training maneuvering, one of those F-16 aircraft started a violent un-commanded pitch oscillation (+3g

Re: [MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: Mitch.Hunter Green, not an mercedes color AFAIK. I have asked for the manufacturer and color code.Original color was smoke silver (beige). That makes sense. Lots of smoke silver Benz in 1987. (including about 1/3 of the 2.3-16s, unfortunately mine's Pearl Black)

[MBZ] FW: benzomatik

2015-06-18 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes
Mine! Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 19:30:47 + From: fredy4.s...@yahoo.com To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Subject: benzomatik

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That's a pretty scarce color. Why? On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:23 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Certainly.. otherwise, my rehabilitation would not be complete.. hahaha Photos will be coming as the project pulls together.. Currently I'm busy erecting a 13,500 sq ft

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The solar focused mirror failure rate is very high. I know of two other large array projects which are equally poor at producing energy, yet equally successful at taking investor money.. Private investment or Government subsidy are defined only by the speed with which investor money is

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal set-up, that is only producing 40% of the design output due to unforeseen issues. The $2.2 billion Ivanpah solar power

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I AM WRONG -- it's not gummint money, to my astoundment! --R On 6/18/15 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: There was an article http://www.wsj.com/articles/high-tech-solar-projects-fail-to-deliver-1434138485 a coupla days ago about some huge project in Kollyfawnya, solar thermal

Re: [MBZ] Apple

2015-06-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Dan wrote:   While this is an issue, why is it a big deal when the other OS Philip questions : Other? Singular?  So there's only two?? Rick wrote: ‎In his defense, Microsoft and Apple Operating Systems pretty much dominate the PC OS market. True. And that's partly because

[MBZ] BSD and Apple

2015-06-18 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
1. PC-BSD may be friendlier to those coming from PCs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD 2. Apples imperious response to this current breach in their security is a classic example of why many do not like Apple. When the profs told Apple about the breach, they said they would address it and

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or Nukular cars

2015-06-18 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Yep. Know how to hurt a guy, donchya? Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane or

Re: [MBZ] Add: Airbus Electric Plane

2015-06-18 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
G Mann wrote: I do raise arguement with the segment of thinking that leaps forward with the assumption it is a finished and practical appliction product accepted by public use. It's not there yet.. it's not even close, yet.. Perhaps, but not yet. Andrew wrote: Grant, I can