date:20150721

http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/18/donald-trump-john-mccain-not-a-war-hero-vietnam-video/

I believe this video clip shows the actual words Trump said. However, even
this is a clipped clip and it seems the news media is failing to post the
full interview... Personally, I'm feeling manipulated. I'd like them to
just give the full facts, I'll make my own choices and decisions.

Regards comment above about rockets on USS Forestall. Here is the info I
have. McCain was not a great pilot. He holds a record for destruction of
American aircraft prior to being shot down. He was a big ego hotdog [so
it is said] who practiced a full flame hot start that comes from
deliberately over fueling on engine start to give a burst of fire and flame
out the tail pipe on ignition. Story is, McCain did that in the fully armed
fighter stack on the ship. That caused the plane next to and slightly
behind him to cook off the under wing rockets in an UN-commanded rocket
launch down the flight deck, which caught the ship on fire and caused the
greatest loss of life of American sailors since WW2.

Story continues that McCain [son of Admiral McCain] was Immediately flown
off the ship, even before injured and burned crew members].  I was not
there, so it's only second hand info.. from people who were there, so take
it as that.

There was an inquiry. That is documented record, but sealed details. He was
given a free pass on the incident, and it did not set well with the other
navy pilots or ship crew. He was re-assigned post incident, which in
military speak says the brass were not that happy with the inquiry
results, either.

It was after that incident that he was conveniently shot down over North
Vietnam. Speculation at the time, and remaining, is that it could have been
friendly fire. We will never know for sure, Vietnam was happy to hold and
charge him as a war criminal and the Navy pilot [if any] that cooked off
a rocket up his tailpipe [if that happened] will never talk.

Post release from North Vietnam, he was charged with aiding and abetting
the enemy, and those complaints can be found in full with a bit of effort.
He was given a Presidential Pardon which quashed those charges [again,
skuttlebutt says Admiral fathers influence saved him from yet another
embarrassment].

So, even though I know the man, voted for him, shook his hand on numerous
occasions, and thanked him for his service to the country.. he does not
like me because I always ask ego bruising questions about his present
performance as  Senator and head of the Armed Services Committee. Un-like
Trump.. I ask for his resignation, which really pissed off his ego.

Popcorn and drinks anyone... let us watch the show.. it should be
entertaining for the next 12 months...

Grant... Who has been busy in spare moments preparing his new 300CD Coupe
for full restoration. It should be a beauty [in the eyes of the owner, at
least].

PS: I note that Hillary's tell all book has for the past 32 weeks been
outsold by the book on Colon Cleansing, however... Just saying..


On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Anyone listen to the 31 broadcasts McCain made while at the Hanoi Hilton?
 Over North Vietnam radio?

 Anyone know that he had charges against him upon his release? Anyone know
 he got a Presidential Pardon?

 Yeah.. didn't think so.. Might want to look into just what the guy is
 really made of.  Trump isn't that far off the mark, if you look at the
 true
 facts..

 Just saying.. Go digging.

 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   Or, better said, he handles himself?

  grin

Dan
  


 Some have said that the rockets going off on the carrier was an attempt at
 fragging aimed at little john.  At any rate, he was NOT well liked in his
 squadron.  Probably not on the float   Anyone know for sure if the
 rocket that brought mclame down was truly a sam? I don't.  I have not
 researched it.

 I don't think Trump is as historically illiterate as his detractors. I
 have not heard the whole 15 minute interview with trump on Sat.  In
 context, I doubt it was a slam on all veterans, as we have been told, but
 rather a comment just about mclame.

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[MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my latest 
Hunter Green 300TD.
Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key 
nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems that the 
ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced it and good to 
go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her, or she knows that a 
replacement has arrived.

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card

2015-07-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

In a sense, Trump was  right - McCain and others would not have been so 
famous and considered so heroic if they had not been shot down and 
captured - selected by Fate to endure the unimaginable.  But for the Grace 
of God there was I.  I'm not so sure I could have endured the many years of 
captivity and torture that they did, though, and I'm extremely thankful that 
I never had to try.  Those of us lucky enough to have NOT been shot down 
occasionally discussed the subject, but not one of us was willing to 
exchange places with a POW.  I have great respect for every one them and 
what they endured.


So, in a literal sense, Trump was right - ya just can't say it like that - 
well, Trump, who dodged such service completely, can't (shouldn't), 
anyway.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card



Anyone listen to the 31 broadcasts McCain made while at the Hanoi Hilton?

Over North Vietnam radio?

Anyone know that he had charges against him upon his release? Anyone know
he got a Presidential Pardon?

Yeah.. didn't think so.. Might want to look into just what the guy is
really made of.  Trump isn't that far off the mark, if you look at the 
true

facts..

Just saying.. Go digging.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:


 Or, better said, he handles himself?

 grin


  Dan
 


Some have said that the rockets going off on the carrier was an attempt at 
fragging aimed at little john.  At any rate, he was NOT well liked in his 
squadron.  Probably not on the float   Anyone know for sure if the 
rocket that brought mclame down was truly a sam? I don't.  I have not 
researched it.


I don't think Trump is as historically illiterate as his detractors. I 
have not heard the whole 15 minute interview with trump on Sat.  In 
context, I doubt it was a slam on all veterans, as we have been told, but 
rather a comment just about mclame.


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Re: [MBZ] Trump card

2015-07-21 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

http://villains.wikia.com/wiki/Doug_Neidermeyer

Killed by his platoon in Vietnam.

Dan The Stork

Sent from my iPad

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:51 AM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
 wrote:
 
 http://www.tmz.com/2015/07/18/donald-trump-john-mccain-not-a-war-hero-vietnam-video/
 
 I believe this video clip shows the actual words Trump said. However, even
 this is a clipped clip and it seems the news media is failing to post the
 full interview... Personally, I'm feeling manipulated. I'd like them to
 just give the full facts, I'll make my own choices and decisions.
 
 Regards comment above about rockets on USS Forestall. Here is the info I
 have. McCain was not a great pilot. He holds a record for destruction of
 American aircraft prior to being shot down. He was a big ego hotdog [so
 it is said] who practiced a full flame hot start that comes from
 deliberately over fueling on engine start to give a burst of fire and flame
 out the tail pipe on ignition. Story is, McCain did that in the fully armed
 fighter stack on the ship. That caused the plane next to and slightly
 behind him to cook off the under wing rockets in an UN-commanded rocket
 launch down the flight deck, which caught the ship on fire and caused the
 greatest loss of life of American sailors since WW2.
 
 Story continues that McCain [son of Admiral McCain] was Immediately flown
 off the ship, even before injured and burned crew members].  I was not
 there, so it's only second hand info.. from people who were there, so take
 it as that.
 
 There was an inquiry. That is documented record, but sealed details. He was
 given a free pass on the incident, and it did not set well with the other
 navy pilots or ship crew. He was re-assigned post incident, which in
 military speak says the brass were not that happy with the inquiry
 results, either.
 
 It was after that incident that he was conveniently shot down over North
 Vietnam. Speculation at the time, and remaining, is that it could have been
 friendly fire. We will never know for sure, Vietnam was happy to hold and
 charge him as a war criminal and the Navy pilot [if any] that cooked off
 a rocket up his tailpipe [if that happened] will never talk.
 
 Post release from North Vietnam, he was charged with aiding and abetting
 the enemy, and those complaints can be found in full with a bit of effort.
 He was given a Presidential Pardon which quashed those charges [again,
 skuttlebutt says Admiral fathers influence saved him from yet another
 embarrassment].

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card

Well said, Wilton.

Any and all who went North earned and deserve respect.

I know three John McCain

The ego driven hotdog pilot, who likely benefited  from and used to his
advantage, being the Admirals son. Who I hold in pretty low regard.

The Prisoner of War, who I respect, and thanked for having endured the
endless torture and privation.

The Senator, who for 32 yrs, has spoken much, but done little, who dumped
and divorced the mother of his children, who stood by him all the while he
was POW, and who then married the rich young hottie, and I hold that one in
pretty low regard also.

Trump didn't get where he is by being shy and retiring. He is smart and
ruthless. He also is not intimidated by anyone... So, I don't see an
apology in the future.
McCain and the rest of us are seeing a game change in action. Trump, even
if defeated will have left his mark before it's over in how DC elites do
business.

Frankly, it's the kind of hope and change much of America had in mind
when the present administration sold the phrase. Should be interesting to
watch them run away from it now.

Question:  If Germany had not made war on the civilized world, would we be
driving Mercedes cars today? Would they have been discovered in America?


On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:01 AM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 In a sense, Trump was  right - McCain and others would not have been so
 famous and considered so heroic if they had not been shot down and
 captured - selected by Fate to endure the unimaginable.  But for the Grace
 of God there was I.  I'm not so sure I could have endured the many years of
 captivity and torture that they did, though, and I'm extremely thankful
 that I never had to try.  Those of us lucky enough to have NOT been shot
 down occasionally discussed the subject, but not one of us was willing to
 exchange places with a POW.  I have great respect for every one them and
 what they endured.

 So, in a literal sense, Trump was right - ya just can't say it like that -
 well, Trump, who dodged such service completely, can't (shouldn't),
 anyway.

 Wilton

 From: Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card



  Anyone listen to the 31 broadcasts McCain made while at the Hanoi Hilton?

 Over North Vietnam radio?

 Anyone know that he had charges against him upon his release? Anyone know
 he got a Presidential Pardon?

 Yeah.. didn't think so.. Might want to look into just what the guy is
 really made of.  Trump isn't that far off the mark, if you look at the
 true
 facts..

 Just saying.. Go digging.

 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

   Or, better said, he handles himself?

  grin

Dan
  


 Some have said that the rockets going off on the carrier was an attempt
 at fragging aimed at little john.  At any rate, he was NOT well liked in
 his squadron.  Probably not on the float   Anyone know for sure if the
 rocket that brought mclame down was truly a sam? I don't.  I have not
 researched it.

 I don't think Trump is as historically illiterate as his detractors. I
 have not heard the whole 15 minute interview with trump on Sat.  In
 context, I doubt it was a slam on all veterans, as we have been told, but
 rather a comment just about mclame.

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card

2015-07-21 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

We BUFF guys also held John Mc in low regard; his treatment of his wife 
sealed it for me.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card

Well said, Wilton.

Any and all who went North earned and deserve respect.

I know three John McCain

The ego driven hotdog pilot, who likely benefited  from and used to his
advantage, being the Admirals son. Who I hold in pretty low regard.

The Prisoner of War, who I respect, and thanked for having endured the
endless torture and privation.

The Senator, who for 32 yrs, has spoken much, but done little, who dumped
and divorced the mother of his children, who stood by him all the while he
was POW, and who then married the rich young hottie, and I hold that one 
in

pretty low regard also.

Trump didn't get where he is by being shy and retiring. He is smart and
ruthless. He also is not intimidated by anyone... So, I don't see an
apology in the future.
McCain and the rest of us are seeing a game change in action. Trump, even
if defeated will have left his mark before it's over in how DC elites do
business.

Frankly, it's the kind of hope and change much of America had in mind
when the present administration sold the phrase. Should be interesting to
watch them run away from it now.

Question:  If Germany had not made war on the civilized world, would we be
driving Mercedes cars today? Would they have been discovered in America?

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:01 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com

wrote:

In a sense, Trump was  right - McCain and others would not have been so
famous and considered so heroic if they had not been shot down and
captured - selected by Fate to endure the unimaginable.  But for the 
Grace
of God there was I.  I'm not so sure I could have endured the many years 
of

captivity and torture that they did, though, and I'm extremely thankful
that I never had to try.  Those of us lucky enough to have NOT been shot
down occasionally discussed the subject, but not one of us was willing to
exchange places with a POW.  I have great respect for every one them and
what they endured.

So, in a literal sense, Trump was right - ya just can't say it like 
that -

well, Trump, who dodged such service completely, can't (shouldn't),
anyway.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Cc: Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card

 Anyone listen to the 31 broadcasts McCain made while at the Hanoi 
Hilton?

Over North Vietnam radio?

Anyone know that he had charges against him upon his release? Anyone 
know

he got a Presidential Pardon?

Yeah.. didn't think so.. Might want to look into just what the guy is
really made of.  Trump isn't that far off the mark, if you look at the
true
facts..

Just saying.. Go digging.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

  Or, better said, he handles himself?

 grin

   Dan

Some have said that the rockets going off on the carrier was an attempt
at fragging aimed at little john.  At any rate, he was NOT well liked in
his squadron.  Probably not on the float   Anyone know for sure if 
the

rocket that brought mclame down was truly a sam? I don't.  I have not
researched it.

I don't think Trump is as historically illiterate as his detractors. I
have not heard the whole 15 minute interview with trump on Sat.  In
context, I doubt it was a slam on all veterans, as we have been told, 
but

rather a comment just about mclame.

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[MBZ] Keep those 123 chassis' rolling

2015-07-21 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/connectedworld/hack-of-connected-car-raises-alarm-over-driver-safety/ar-AAdibe8

It's here - hackers can now take over a new car.

-- 
OK Don

NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves.

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card




PS: I note that Hillary's tell all book has for the past 32 weeks been
outsold by the book on Colon Cleansing, however... Just saying..


]

That is Hillarious!  (pun intended or not)

Thanks man, for the details!   I don't believe trump is historically 
illiterate as I and the media are.   He is a smart guy.  I tend to 
forget the details, but I remembered there was a smoking gun of 
some sort.  McLame is fishy.   Trump said so.  I can't fault a man 
for speaking the truth.  It is so rare.  I applaud anyone who speaks 
the truth.


You are a great American!

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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Replacement as in Smoke Silver will be for sale?  Price?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 21, 2015 11:43:05 AM EDT, Fred Moir via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my
latest Hunter Green 300TD.
Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key
nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems
that the ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced
it and good to go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her,
or she knows that a replacement has arrived.

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Re: [MBZ] No start.

2015-07-21 Thread Fred Moir via Mercedes

So does my wife!

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:48:23 -0400
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] No start.
 From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
 CC: richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

 She needs moir care!

 --R

 On 7/21/15 11:43 AM, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote:
  Had an interesting one this a.m.Going to the insco. to register my latest 
  Hunter Green 300TD.
  Went out to the car (87 300TD Smoke Silver), sat, turned key 
  nothing.S**t!Tried to jump from the 190D Bent, nothing. WTF?It seems that 
  the ground cable broke off clean at the shock tower lug.Replaced it and 
  good to go.This old girl is failing faster than I can fix her, or she knows 
  that a replacement has arrived.

  Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. 

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Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

Curt,
That's OK- you are still THE Man at the Q even Benzless.
On Jul 21, 2015 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Euro? Looks like velor and manual HVAC.
 Cool car for a decent price. I'd have considered it but Friday Fred and I
 are going to get a 2005 Golf TDI. Donating my '84 190D to Tom's program for
 troubled kids while I'm there. The Golf has a transmission problem but
 nobody knows what it is. Hoping I get lucky like I did with the 190D.
 For the first time since 2003 I'll be Benz-less.
 -Curt

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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

 It's Kaleb green. I had a 240D in that color.
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Re: [MBZ] Coupe Parts, Was Re: Trump card - tail lights

Rick,

Will do. I'm only just starting on the project, first baby steps, so the
punch list will grow exponentially as I do triage tear down.

I suspect finding OEM rubber bits will be a true challenge, as well as
things like new factory tail lights and trim bits, so I'm starting early to
source such things.

At the moment, I lean towards doing a build blog site, which hopefully a
computer literate friend will set up and run, just to keep a running
commentary and parts source list for the build. I'll advise you if that
gets up and running.
My thought is it would be a handy place to house progress pictures, etc..

Owning a fully restored Coupe has been on my Mercedes bucket list for
years. Found this one here in AZ which has been lovingly owned and is body
perfect, so it's the right candidate to become The Coupe.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 ‎Grant writes:

 Re-assembly will require all the rubber bits, glass, and
 interior, including recovering the dash pad.

 Grant,

 Please document all your work AND parts sources. I have a coupe that will
 need rubber bits, also. I would prefer rubber made by elves in the Black
 Forest, as opposed to lamp black bits made in Xing Wao.
 ‎
 Rick
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Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

Jawohl
On Jul 21, 2015 9:13 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 At least its German right?
 Curt

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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

 Curt,
 That's OK- you are still THE Man at the Q even Benzless.

 On Jul 21, 2015 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Euro? Looks like velor and manual HVAC.
 Cool car for a decent price. I'd have considered it but Friday Fred and I
 are going to get a 2005 Golf TDI. Donating my '84 190D to Tom's program for
 troubled kids while I'm there. The Golf has a transmission problem but
 nobody knows what it is. Hoping I get lucky like I did with the 190D.
 For the first time since 2003 I'll be Benz-less.
 -Curt

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 Cc: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
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  Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

 It's Kaleb green. I had a 240D in that color.
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Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

2015-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

One side or both? I might have one in my pile. It'd be in good but probably not 
great shape. The coupes aren't special for those are they?
-Curt

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Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights
   
Thanks !

All the links work fine.

Euro turn lens  made in China?

No new tail light assembly any were? I see one listed as new on Fleabay
link.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:43 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Grant try here


 http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1982/mercedes/300cd/body_electrical/headlight_frame.html

 and


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Turn-Signal-Light-assy-L-R-x2-URO-blinker-corner-parking-lamp-/351453075475?hash=item51d43c5813vxp=mtr

 and tail lights you have to pick from


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=82+mercedes+tail+light_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=m570.l1313_nkw=82+mercedes+w123+tail+light_sacat=0

 Hope the links work.

 Manfred


  Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:26 -0700
 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com


  Mercedes question:
 Anyone know where I can buy new headlight surround assemblies for my new
 82 300 CD Coupe? Also tailights.. and turn lights.. Hopefully not made in
 China?

 Grant...



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Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

I believe Coupe and Sedan are same light housing and lens. I was hoping to
score a full set of new ones to go into the restoration. I would like to
make it as close to new as possible, and lights and trim are those little
details that need to look fresh to look new.

The Coupe is an Arizona car, so no rust, but major sun damage.. Plastic
parts are turned to dust in AZ sun, as well as interiors.. this Coupe has
received 33 years of relentless AZ sun.

Schedule is for a full bare frame tear down to bare metal for repaint [AZ
sun again]. Re-assembly will require all the rubber bits, glass, and
interior, including recovering the dash pad.

Martha will be moving in full time, it seems.. ha

Grant...

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mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

One side or both? I might have one in my pile. It'd be in good but
probably not great shape. The coupes aren't special for those are they?
-Curt

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Cc: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

Thanks !

All the links work fine.

Euro turn lens made in China?

No new tail light assembly any were? I see one listed as new on Fleabay
link.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:43 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

Grant try here

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1982/mercedes/300cd/body_electrical/headlight_frame.html

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Turn-Signal-Light-assy-L-R-x2-URO-blinker-corner-parking-lamp-/351453075475?hash=item51d43c5813vxp=mtr

and tail lights you have to pick from

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=82+mercedes+tail+light_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=m570.l1313_nkw=82+mercedes+w123+tail+light_sacat=0

Hope the links work.

Manfred

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:26 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

Mercedes question:
Anyone know where I can buy new headlight surround assemblies for my
new
82 300 CD Coupe? Also tailights.. and turn lights.. Hopefully not made
in
China?

Grant...

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

No coupes and wagons same as sedan. 123 coupes same as sedans overall from
A pillar forward. Behind A pillar Coupe parts are PITA to find
On Jul 21, 2015 9:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

One side or both? I might have one in my pile. It'd be in good but
probably not great shape. The coupes aren't special for those are they?
-Curt

Thanks !

All the links work fine.

Euro turn lens made in China?

No new tail light assembly any were? I see one listed as new on Fleabay
link.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:43 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

Grant try here

http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1982/mercedes/300cd/body_electrical/headlight_frame.html

and

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Turn-Signal-Light-assy-L-R-x2-URO-blinker-corner-parking-lamp-/351453075475?hash=item51d43c5813vxp=mtr

and tail lights you have to pick from

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=82+mercedes+tail+light_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=m570.l1313_nkw=82+mercedes+w123+tail+light_sacat=0

Hope the links work.

Manfred

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:26 -0700
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com

Mercedes question:
Anyone know where I can buy new headlight surround assemblies for my
new
82 300 CD Coupe? Also tailights.. and turn lights.. Hopefully not made
in
China?

Grant...

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Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

Thanks !

All the links work fine.

Euro turn lens  made in China?

No new tail light assembly any were? I see one listed as new on Fleabay
link.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:43 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

 Grant try here


 http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1982/mercedes/300cd/body_electrical/headlight_frame.html

 and


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Turn-Signal-Light-assy-L-R-x2-URO-blinker-corner-parking-lamp-/351453075475?hash=item51d43c5813vxp=mtr

 and tail lights you have to pick from


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=82+mercedes+tail+light_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=m570.l1313_nkw=82+mercedes+w123+tail+light_sacat=0

 Hope the links work.

 Manfred


  Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:26 -0700
 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com


  Mercedes question:
 Anyone know where I can buy new headlight surround assemblies for my new
 82 300 CD Coupe? Also tailights.. and turn lights.. Hopefully not made in
 China?

 Grant...



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[MBZ] Coupe Parts, Was Re: Trump card - tail lights

2015-07-21 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎Grant writes:

Re-assembly will require all the rubber bits, glass, and
interior, including recovering the dash pad.

Grant,

Please document all your work AND parts sources. I have a coupe that will need 
rubber bits, also. I would prefer rubber made by elves in the Black Forest, as 
opposed to lamp black bits made in Xing Wao. 
‎
Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] Trump card


I can't vote in AZ, unlike you.



Well a whole lot of hatin' going on.  If he is so despised how come he is a
shoo-in to get renominated/reelected?


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Re: [MBZ] Trump card


Well said, Wilton.

Any and all who went North earned and deserve respect.

I know three John McCain

The ego driven hotdog pilot, who likely benefited  from and used to his
advantage, being the Admirals son. Who I hold in pretty low regard.

The Prisoner of War, who I respect, and thanked for having endured the
endless torture and privation.

The Senator, who for 32 yrs, has spoken much, but done little, who dumped
and divorced the mother of his children, who stood by him all the while he
was POW, and who then married the rich young hottie, and I hold that one in
pretty low regard also.

Trump didn't get where he is by being shy and retiring. He is smart and
ruthless. He also is not intimidated by anyone... So, I don't see an
apology in the future.
McCain and the rest of us are seeing a game change in action. Trump, even
if defeated will have left his mark before it's over in how DC elites do
business.

Frankly, it's the kind of hope and change much of America had in mind
when the present administration sold the phrase. Should be interesting to
watch them run away from it now.



Hear here!  I respect # 2 for what he endured,  But #s 1 and 3 are 
a$$holes.  I will have to be convinced that trump meant anything 
less.   And in trumps winner take all world, being captured is worse 
than being dead.  particularly with his radio hanoi broadcasts.




Question:  If Germany had not made war on the civilized world, would we be
driving Mercedes cars today? Would they have been discovered in America?



I'd guess the answers would still be yes and yes.

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Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

2015-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

At least its German right?
Curt

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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Curt Raymond 
curtlud...@yahoo.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad
   
Curt,
That's OK- you are still THE Man at the Q even Benzless.

On Jul 21, 2015 7:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

Euro? Looks like velor and manual HVAC.
Cool car for a decent price. I'd have considered it but Friday Fred and I are 
going to get a 2005 Golf TDI. Donating my '84 190D to Tom's program for 
troubled kids while I'm there. The Golf has a transmission problem but nobody 
knows what it is. Hoping I get lucky like I did with the 190D.
For the first time since 2003 I'll be Benz-less.
-Curt

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Cc: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

It's Kaleb green. I had a 240D in that color.
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Re: [MBZ] Trump card - tail lights

Grant -do you mean the plastic shrouds? I just bought one from Gary  one
on ebay for my 82 300CD. I think Gary has another Bosch pair.
On Jul 21, 2015 6:44 PM, MG via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Grant try here


 http://www.partsgeek.com/catalog/1982/mercedes/300cd/body_electrical/headlight_frame.html

 and


 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-w123-Turn-Signal-Light-assy-L-R-x2-URO-blinker-corner-parking-lamp-/351453075475?hash=item51d43c5813vxp=mtr

 and tail lights you have to pick from


 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=82+mercedes+tail+light_osacat=0_from=R40_trksid=m570.l1313_nkw=82+mercedes+w123+tail+light_sacat=0

 Hope the links work.

 Manfred


  Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 11:04:26 -0700
 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com


  Mercedes question:
 Anyone know where I can buy new headlight surround assemblies for my new
 82 300 CD Coupe? Also tailights.. and turn lights.. Hopefully not made in
 China?

 Grant...



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Re: [MBZ] Trump card Was: Chevrolet Colorado Diesel Promises Best-in-Class Towing, Torque

2015-07-21 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Grant wrote:
 Votes or bullets... To date... except for Civil War... it's always been
 votes...

It seems that the commie regime that has ruled here for at least a
generation won't let vote be effective.  Overboard capitalism =
commie.  viz Vlad today, overboard capitalism here.
...ooops... rule#1 don't use obvious names or NSA triggers engage...
Thanks to Curly for teaching that.
Real commie seems nice but there ain't no real place that has been
tried.  i.e. responsible individual freedom without central bank
control, devoid of central bank currency, resulting in rule of diverse
law.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

It's Kaleb green. I had a 240D in that color.
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Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad

2015-07-21 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Euro? Looks like velor and manual HVAC.
Cool car for a decent price. I'd have considered it but Friday Fred and I are 
going to get a 2005 Golf TDI. Donating my '84 190D to Tom's program for 
troubled kids while I'm there. The Golf has a transmission problem but nobody 
knows what it is. Hoping I get lucky like I did with the 190D.
For the first time since 2003 I'll be Benz-less.
-Curt

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Cc: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This might not be too bad
   
It's Kaleb green. I had a 240D in that color.
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Re: [MBZ] Trump card