Re: [MBZ] WAS Zerk Fittings NOW shoes vs tools
Yes, I'm for equal rights too. This reminds me of a bit on the show King of Queens when Doug and Carrie were arguing over the obsession with footbal and shoes respectively. Doug says, defending football, can you spend an entire Sunday wathcing shoes? and of course Carrie responds Yes, I can. Brian Randy wrote: However, she loves dishes and we seem to keep getting more of those - so - I keep shopping for tools too.
Re: [MBZ] 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting
--- Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that measured with or without the vacuum line hooked up? The article on mbz.org suggests without, but I'm unclear whether that is when the car is stationary (presumably idling), while in motion, or both. 1.) Without 2.) Both Poos Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [MBZ] 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting
--- Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 123.123.12 Probably a 722.116, based on the information you gave me. 2.8 bar. position D, 65 km/h 4.8 (+/-0.2) bar, position D, stationary All measurements at operating temperature with vacuum line disconnected. Poos Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/
Re: [MBZ] antenna not retracting
Another possibility is that the mast cable was not going into the drum properly and as such the motor was not able to produce enough force to pull it in. - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] antenna not retracting Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I installed a new mast, but it does not retract fully. It leaves anywhere from 2 - 4 inches of the mast exposed. If I push down on the mast as it is retracting it will go all the way down. I had this problem with the old mast, but I had assumed that a brand new mast should have solved that. What else could be going on? Of its own accord, the new mast is now fully retracting. Has been for a couple of days. Maybe some internal gunk got dislodged? Allan
Re: [MBZ] Zerk Fittings
Everything must be in balance then - My wife only has four pairs of shoes, but I have a LOT of tools, and keep accumulating them! testicles intact. On 6/7/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a pitifilly meager supply of tools yet my wife has the predictable amount of shoes. However, my theory may still hold true, as my tool supply is made up for in what, to my surprise, has slowly become an impressive supply of shoes for myself (since meeting her). My thoughts nowadays go: Man, I need this shoe for this, and that shoe for that, I can't wear that shoe for that... Brian Looking for his testicles -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?
I use a piece of 6mm Allen wrench about an inch long that I cut off the long end, with a 6mm 1/4 inch drive socket and a u-joint. Non were so tight that I needed the hammer-driven impact wrench. Mine were on the 603 and 602 engines, so YMMV. I also vote for changing them all at once - in and out one time. On 6/7/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking off the intake manifold and Inj. lines makes changing the GPs easier. You will need a new gasket. I'd suggest ordering a 6 long 6mm balldriver allen socket from Snap-on. Otherwise, the manifold removal is as hard as changing the GPs with the manifold on. Snap-on because of the warranty, and I know they have it. You might want a hammer-driven impact wrench (ala working on Hondas) to persuade the manifold bolts to move before the allen socket breaks. It should be possible to take off the inj. lines and change the plugs. You will need a 6 wobble extension for 3/8 drive 12 mm deep socket. a 3 extension also helps. This is assuming adequate clearance on the 201. I have only changed them on the OM 603 in 126 and 124 cars. In lieu of the wobble extension, you can put some masking tape on a Universal joint extension to stiffen it. Much easier to do in moderate temps than when it is -20 F. Loren lotsa Dissels At 12:41 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I think one is dead and since it looks like a job to do it I want to get at 'em while its nice out, not at -20F... It looks like it'll be alot easier if I take the intake and injection lines off. I've had an injection line off before, thats no big deal. The intake I'm a bit nervous about. Presumably theres a gasket from the intake manifold or whatever its called, to the head. Should that be replaced? Replace only if its torn? Thanks -Curt - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
I think it sounds like a good price. Enjoy it. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wilton strickland Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:28 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 91 350SDL $2231 tranny rebuild/replace w/rebuilt coulda been $3k + at Stealer. 'Sure drove good coming home. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?
Curt, So will you install Fred's new manifold? I am out of town this weekend but later on-maybe this could be the focus for the NE 'chowdah Q I will keep cold beer and tools in your hand while you work. Dwight. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:29 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intake removal? Wanna come out and watch the installation? I'd fire the barbeque for it... Dwight? John? Could be a party. -Curt Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 10:49:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Frederick Moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Intake removal? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Curt. I have a spare 190D 2.2 intake gasket (new) from my last foray into engine repair. yours if you want it. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300D Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The intake I'm a bit nervous about. Presumably theres a gasket from the intake manifold or whatever its called, to the head. Should that be replaced? Replace only if its torn? Thanks -Curt - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
Curt Raymond wrote: '85 190D 2.2l 5spd manual. When its cold out, like below 60 degrees but above freezing, when my 190D first start it shudders a little like idle is too low, it smooths out quick. Below freezing I have to keep my foot into the go pedal for a second or two before it'll idle, below say 10 degrees its more like 10 seconds. I asked about this awhile ago and Marshal said something cryptic. I lived with it all winter but I'm putting together a Rusty order ($117 so far) and figure I'd better address it... So what raises the idle on my 190D on cold startup? This is NEVER an issue on a warm start or above 60 degrees ambient. The cold idle control operates on vacuum. If there's a leak in the vacuum system (or a tired vacuum pump), you will have the situation you describe. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?
Curt Raymond wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I think one is dead and since it looks like a job to do it I want to get at 'em while its nice out, not at -20F... It looks like it'll be alot easier if I take the intake and injection lines off. I've had an injection line off before, thats no big deal. The intake I'm a bit nervous about. Presumably theres a gasket from the intake manifold or whatever its called, to the head. Should that be replaced? Replace only if its torn? Thanks -Curt Changing glow plugs in a 190D is easy with a 601 engine (using a Snap-On SFSUM 12 3/8 deep swivel socket) and only a little more difficult on a 602.91x engine. On the 602.96x it may be best to remove the intake manifold, but I know of several mechanics that don't. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Jim Cathey wrote: Is it time? The IP front seal awaits. It's a rather involved job to pull the injector pump. And there's the siezed AC compressor too... Strategy: 1 Jack up front of car, for general access. 2 Remove radiator, condensor, and auxiliary fan. (The justification is to improve access. Also, the cooling system needs a flush so it has to be drained anyway, and as the AC compressor is siezed the system needs to be opened up for a shrapnel check. And, since the front end of the car was pushed in, you can't pull the fan without taking out the radiator.) 3 Remove fan and belt. (Improve access, also AC compressor has to come off.) 4 Remove valve cover and intake manifold. (Access to timing chain and IP.) 5 Remove vacuum pump. (Access to IP front.) 6 Remove IP (per instructions). 7 Remove AC compressor. So, all stalling aside, I dove into the car. I managed to get #1, #2, and half of #3 (the fan) done this morning. The radiator is really bent in the middle, and quite the mess. I'm actually rather surprised that it, A, didn't leak, and B, didn't overheat. There's a lot of occlusion, from bent fins, dirt, and pinched off tubes where it has been soldered. It probably should be replaced. (The condensor is in condition nearly as bad, but I have a used replacement in the trunk.) More disturbing, however, was the darkness of the coolant, and I can see that the head is leaking oil on the exhaust manifold side. I suspect that we probably have a head leak, I hope it's just the head gasket. I may have to dive in and do that too. This car is really turning into a heap-o-project. Not sure about either 602 engines, but to replace the front large injection pump O ring on 601 engines, the oil filter assembly must be pulled so the IP can be removed. Not nice. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? KS - Original Message - Marshall Booth wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: '85 190D 2.2l 5spd manual. When its cold out, like below 60 degrees but above freezing, when my 190D first start it shudders a little like idle is too low, it smooths out quick. Below freezing I have to keep my foot into the go pedal for a second or two before it'll idle, below say 10 degrees its more like 10 seconds. I asked about this awhile ago and Marshal said something cryptic. I lived with it all winter but I'm putting together a Rusty order ($117 so far) and figure I'd better address it... So what raises the idle on my 190D on cold startup? This is NEVER an issue on a warm start or above 60 degrees ambient. The cold idle control operates on vacuum. If there's a leak in the vacuum system (or a tired vacuum pump), you will have the situation you describe. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
The tranny rebuild in my SLC was $1800 about six years ago. -- so $2231 sounds about right today. On 6/7/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it sounds like a good price. Enjoy it. Dwight -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
Sounds like the cold start injector is plugged, or not spraying fuel as it should. On 6/7/07, kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? KS -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?
A 6mm allen 1/4 inch drive socket would fit. a short 6mm allen 3/8 drive won't fit. I'd still opt for snap-on for the 1/4 inch drive because of the torque put on it. 2 of mine came apart ok, but one I put about 80 ft-lb on and twisted the allen close to 30 degrees but the bolt did not budge. At that point I quit and changed the plugs with the manifold on. I didn't figger it would help to break tools. I didn't have a hammer-wrench there, so that was not an option. My suspicion is that either some bozo put loktite on the bolts, or someone cleaned all vestiges of oil off the bolts and head, and the electrolysis between steel and aluminum set in. Meaning that even if I got the bolts out, they'd likely bring the threads out of the head with them, resulting in lots of helicoils or a trashed head. Neither option was appealing. Loren At 08:13 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: I use a piece of 6mm Allen wrench about an inch long that I cut off the long end, with a 6mm 1/4 inch drive socket and a u-joint. Non were so tight that I needed the hammer-driven impact wrench. Mine were on the 603 and 602 engines, so YMMV. I also vote for changing them all at once - in and out one time. On 6/7/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taking off the intake manifold and Inj. lines makes changing the GPs easier. You will need a new gasket. I'd suggest ordering a 6 long 6mm balldriver allen socket from Snap-on. Otherwise, the manifold removal is as hard as changing the GPs with the manifold on. Snap-on because of the warranty, and I know they have it. You might want a hammer-driven impact wrench (ala working on Hondas) to persuade the manifold bolts to move before the allen socket breaks. It should be possible to take off the inj. lines and change the plugs. You will need a 6 wobble extension for 3/8 drive 12 mm deep socket. a 3 extension also helps. This is assuming adequate clearance on the 201. I have only changed them on the OM 603 in 126 and 124 cars. In lieu of the wobble extension, you can put some masking tape on a Universal joint extension to stiffen it. Much easier to do in moderate temps than when it is -20 F. Loren lotsa Dissels At 12:41 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I think one is dead and since it looks like a job to do it I want to get at 'em while its nice out, not at -20F... It looks like it'll be alot easier if I take the intake and injection lines off. I've had an injection line off before, thats no big deal. The intake I'm a bit nervous about. Presumably theres a gasket from the intake manifold or whatever its called, to the head. Should that be replaced? Replace only if its torn? Thanks -Curt - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Intake removal?
Herr Doktor's swivel socket is another good option. I don't own any swivel sockets, so I never thought of that one. At 09:14 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Curt Raymond wrote: So I'm thinking I should change the glowplugs on my 190D. I know what you'll say, only change 'em when they die. Well I think one is dead and since it looks like a job to do it I want to get at 'em while its nice out, not at -20F... It looks like it'll be alot easier if I take the intake and injection lines off. I've had an injection line off before, thats no big deal. The intake I'm a bit nervous about. Presumably theres a gasket from the intake manifold or whatever its called, to the head. Should that be replaced? Replace only if its torn? Thanks -Curt Changing glow plugs in a 190D is easy with a 601 engine (using a Snap-On SFSUM 12 3/8 deep swivel socket) and only a little more difficult on a 602.91x engine. On the 602.96x it may be best to remove the intake manifold, but I know of several mechanics that don't. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
another reason I like my OM 603s. And I didn't even know it. At 09:20 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Jim Cathey wrote: Is it time? The IP front seal awaits. It's a rather involved job to pull the injector pump. And there's the siezed AC compressor too... Strategy: 1 Jack up front of car, for general access. 2 Remove radiator, condensor, and auxiliary fan. (The justification is to improve access. Also, the cooling system needs a flush so it has to be drained anyway, and as the AC compressor is siezed the system needs to be opened up for a shrapnel check. And, since the front end of the car was pushed in, you can't pull the fan without taking out the radiator.) 3 Remove fan and belt. (Improve access, also AC compressor has to come off.) 4 Remove valve cover and intake manifold. (Access to timing chain and IP.) 5 Remove vacuum pump. (Access to IP front.) 6 Remove IP (per instructions). 7 Remove AC compressor. So, all stalling aside, I dove into the car. I managed to get #1, #2, and half of #3 (the fan) done this morning. The radiator is really bent in the middle, and quite the mess. I'm actually rather surprised that it, A, didn't leak, and B, didn't overheat. There's a lot of occlusion, from bent fins, dirt, and pinched off tubes where it has been soldered. It probably should be replaced. (The condensor is in condition nearly as bad, but I have a used replacement in the trunk.) More disturbing, however, was the darkness of the coolant, and I can see that the head is leaking oil on the exhaust manifold side. I suspect that we probably have a head leak, I hope it's just the head gasket. I may have to dive in and do that too. This car is really turning into a heap-o-project. Not sure about either 602 engines, but to replace the front large injection pump O ring on 601 engines, the oil filter assembly must be pulled so the IP can be removed. Not nice. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
[MBZ] 115 starter key lock removal
I was trying to get the starter lock assembly out of the steering /ignition lock a few weeks ago on my 76 300D junker and there was no hole for the pin. Can anyone tell me how to get the thing out? Can anyone tell me how to get the steering lock out of the column? I have it loose, and can turn it, but I can't find any detent as in the 123. It is much tighter than the 123. You have to go in through the instrument cluster hole. If I can get it out, I will have a matching set of 115 locks for sale. Loren 76 115 300D junker Good engine and trans for sale et al Loren Faeth
[MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, Go check out my tranny adjuting article written many moons ago at http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/adjust/ Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Craig (was in Austin, TX, now in Los Alamos, NM) --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html
[MBZ] w124 vacuum control valve transmission
Wife complaints new wagon (w124) is thunking into each gear. Drive it about for the day. Yup. Mmmm I wonder, stick mini vac on line to transmission ok, onto line before vacuum control valve ok. Start car, vacuum from pump ok, behind restrictor (green plug) ok. To transmission. ZERO Ah, mmm system is fine if car is off, then zero if car is running. Oh how clever. Mutter order new magic box, which now instead of being a w123 part is a w140 part... John 1983 300TDt 382k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990's 300TDt 194k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 192k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac)
Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]
Likewise, welcome back Good to have more knowledgeable people here. Loren At 10:09 PM 6/7/2007, you wrote: Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]
--- Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Craig (was in Austin, TX, now in Los Alamos, NM) Good to be back. Los Alamos? Lucky dog. I did a fair amount of work there in the late 80s and early 90s. Spent a lot of time backpacking in Bandelier on the weekends... D Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting]
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 20:50:47 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good to be back. Los Alamos? Lucky dog. I did a fair amount of work there in the late 80s and early 90s. Spent a lot of time backpacking in Bandelier on the weekends... Been here about 4.5 years and haven't made it to Bandelier yet. Something about be a homeowner, I guess. We're you living here, or just visiting during your time here? The Lab has undergone a lot of change since those days, not all for the better, unfortunately. But it is a job. Craig
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Jesus Christ! If you're in Raleigh, I suggest you check you Classic Performance Auto on Trinity Rd. All the guy has worked on his entire life is Mercedes. Excellent service, quality work and good prices on parts and labor. I suggest you check him out; he's very knowledgeable in all aspects of Mercedes repair. I had the tranny in my 90 300E rebuilt by him over 8 years ago and it has performed flawlessly ever since. That was nearly 120,000 miles ago. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R A Bennell Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. If you get someone who knows what they are doing and does it conscientiously, then it will be worth it in the long run. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL OW. On 6/7/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Just had 91 350SDL tranny rebuilt at Griffin's Tranny Ser, Raleigh, NC. $2231 parts labor. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:40:49 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This car is really turning into a heap-o-project. Sigh. Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Craig
Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o
Laurelhurst does booming business for Bio. It does eat the rubber bits when used full strength. Take it down to B20 and you get the lubricity advantages, as well as the reduced CO2 and particulate. No reduction of NOx. Does make the engine run quieter and smell better than the rear end of a school bus On Jun 6, 2007, at 5:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't really get the bio-fuel mania. There is of course some initial politically correct green appeal to the idea, but my guess is that veg. oil has less energy per volume unit than diesel #2, so you will get worse mileage, use more fuel, pollute more, etc. as well as chance screwing up your injection system. Me neither. The owner of my card-op gas station told me last week that he sells twice as much bio-diesel as the regular stuff and at a premium price, needless to say. And my personal MB Tech at the dealer told me that they have sealed up many a leak on old diesels after switching to bio. RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o
Article in the paper today has Seattle Biodiesel (imperium) contracting with some Algae group in San Francisco to supply oil to the huge plant due to be finished this month. Will be great to see the oil burning ships of the navy using BioDiesel made right here in WA On Jun 7, 2007, at 7:12 AM, Jeff Zedic wrote: Allan, You point out the use of soybeans for BioD which is almost the lowest yielding crop you can choose. Unfortunately, in the US, the BioD potential has been hijacked by the Soya farmer's lobby group.many other oil producing crops give better returns. The highest yield comes from an oil producing algae that gives an exponential yield compared to soybeans According to Journey To Forver's website, a typical yield of soya oil from one acre is 48 US gallons whereas rapeseed, (canola) yields 127 per acre. Coconut oil will give 287 gallons and oil palm 635! I'm sure there are caveats but soy is NOT the answer...it's just getting all the press because of their lobbying efforts. Here's a link to the yield table: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
RUN AWAY! This sounds like the cretin who sold me the POS SDL on eBay four years ago. He was going to pick me up at the airport too. He missed that and I waited a few hours, called his home #, talked to his retarded wife. She had no idea what I was talking about. The seller claimed to be a MD, but may have been only the night janitor at the hospital. He had a dirt lot, curbstone junk yard of a used car sales spot under some shady trees with Doofus and Dorkmeyer working for him when they were not asleep in the plastic chairs out back. Kaleb ended up with that car when it died a horrid death and I spent thousands on shop labor thousands of miles from home. RUN AWAY!! Take the bad feed back and RUN AWAY just my 0.02 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks for asking, Alex. We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D (with so many miles on it, I say cringing). The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions. Oh, and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay. In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he claims ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions. I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up, then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery. Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that we have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long time to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and not have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically cancel the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days from end of auction? Brian 83 240D 87 190D (hopeful) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Okay, now you know I'm going to have to ask you some more specifics to find out if this is the same guy here. What town did he live in, or claim to live in? He gave me his home address, or maybe it was a shop or something, but let's try to match up information here. Was his ebay name the same? What was he claiming his name to be? What type of feedback did he have? Did he sell any other type of stuff on ebay? I know you've already told me that if it its the same guy, I should run away, but the task at hand now is to try to find out if it IS the same guy. This is a very serious thing, as you have told me that I have put down a $1k deposit on probable junk with a liar. Work with me. Brian On 6/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUN AWAY! This sounds like the cretin who sold me the POS SDL on eBay four years ago. He was going to pick me up at the airport too. He missed that and I waited a few hours, called his home #, talked to his retarded wife. She had no idea what I was talking about. The seller claimed to be a MD, but may have been only the night janitor at the hospital. He had a dirt lot, curbstone junk yard of a used car sales spot under some shady trees with Doofus and Dorkmeyer working for him when they were not asleep in the plastic chairs out back. Kaleb ended up with that car when it died a horrid death and I spent thousands on shop labor thousands of miles from home. RUN AWAY!! Take the bad feed back and RUN AWAY just my 0.02 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks for asking, Alex. We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D (with so many miles on it, I say cringing). The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions. Oh, and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay. In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he claims ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions. I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up, then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery. Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that we have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long time to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and not have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically cancel the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days from end of auction? Brian 83 240D 87 190D (hopeful) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Right now it's a rusty sh**heap. Who knows, the name may stick! But it's a 40 mpg rusty sh**heap. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
Thank you, OK Don. I will check the cold start injector. Also thank you to Kaleb C. Striplin on my 190E low coolant light and high temp. It was the sensor. And when I removed it, found lots of debris between the contacts. I also broke the lock ring to replace the sensor. The lock ring was impossible to get, as dealers around me don't carry it. KS - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like the cold start injector is plugged, or not spraying fuel as it should. On 6/7/07, kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? KS -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
From memory it is just a circlip, should be able to get one at a good nut and bolt place. Also check your idle control valve, your fuel injection computer may be busted, or your over protection relay is toast, there is a 15 amp fuse on top of it. All these things are behind the battery, except for the idle valve which is near your inlet manifold. Petrol powered CIS/E cars rely on electronics, not vaccum. A good Benz shop will be able to tell you in 5 seconds if your computer is working. Another candidate is your temp sender which on mine is a two pronged one wich should have 6000 thingy resistance at 0 degrees celcius and about 320 thingy at 80 degrees. If your sensor is not working the system will think that the motor is warm when it is not. - Original Message - From: kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control Thank you, OK Don. I will check the cold start injector. Also thank you to Kaleb C. Striplin on my 190E low coolant light and high temp. It was the sensor. And when I removed it, found lots of debris between the contacts. I also broke the lock ring to replace the sensor. The lock ring was impossible to get, as dealers around me don't carry it. KS - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sounds like the cold start injector is plugged, or not spraying fuel as it should. On 6/7/07, kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? KS
[MBZ] Mooseday
If you thought the picture of the 300SD strapped to the front of a semi was weird, what do you think about this? Wheelchair-bound man taken on wild ride lodged in truck's grille http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706080334
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
I vote for calling it the baby buggy If it stays full of brown stuff, maybe baby diaper would be a good name At 01:28 AM 6/8/2007, you wrote: Let's see, the Chicken Wagon, the Frankenbenz, and ? Well, it's a baby Benz ... Baby Heap? Benz-o-mobile? Li'l Heap? Uh ... Right now it's a rusty sh**heap. Who knows, the name may stick! But it's a 40 mpg rusty sh**heap. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Bio/why-o
On 6/7/07, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Allan, The highest yield comes from an oil producing algae that gives an exponential yield compared to soybeans Further, there is an algae that the Indians (and that's Asian India Indians, not Native Americans) have been experimenting with that will grow in desert regions. I've been telling people about that one for a while. Think about Nevada, Arizona and some of Eastern California that are basically no mans lands outside of the major cities being used for farming Biodiesel. -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
kok.hong [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about 190E 2.3 which I do have difficulty in start too? In spring or summer at least twice before it runs. In winter, at least 5 or 6 times. It crank but wouldn't turn. On 2nd try, it turn but shudders and dies too. Do gas engine rely that much on vacuum like diesel? My old VW Jetta, which did not have CIS/E but did have some other electronically controlled system (they called it Digifant) had similar symptoms and it turned out to be a bad temperature sensor. It was sending hot all the time so the computer was always trying to do a warm engine start program. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 95 E320
Larry wrote: I thought that car was sold a couple of times? Did *another* deal fall through? How much are you looking far anyway? I thought I had someone here in Wichita that was going to buy it. Also, Bill R. is interested in it, but is waiting for legal issues to be resolved. It is still for sale. I have it listed on Autotrader for $5100. I offered it to the list members for $4900. I was gone on vacation last week and this week I have been in depositions out the state. I mention this because I haven't really done anything to sell it since I listed it on ebay. So, its still for sale. A couple of other list members have emailed me and expressed some interest, but I still have the car. So, if you want to send me $5000 in small unmarked bills I will be glad to sell you the car. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
You wrote:I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. Couldn't agree more. You know, ATs have been built in the same basic configuration for something like 60-75 years. I would have hoped than in all that time they would have refined the methods of construction and found all the weak points and engineered them away. But this doesn;t seem to be the case. Perhaps I am over-simplifying things? Some shop should be able to rebuild a AT to where it is as good as it left the factory - I know technology has evolved dramatically over the past 50 years but all that electronics should make life easier, not more difficult. And, unfortunately, some things break before their time (IMHO) even if they are maintained properly. Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn;t the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct? Shouldn;t that be a dealer repair regardless of who owns the car when the problem surfaces? Also, regardless of the miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Unless you own a Mercedes, then it destroys itself. Sorry about the rant - should I expect *less* of a MB or more? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. If you get someone who knows what they are doing and does it conscientiously, then it will be worth it in the long run. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL OW. On 6/7/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Just had 91 350SDL tranny rebuilt at Griffin's Tranny Ser, Raleigh, NC. $2231 parts labor. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM
Re: [MBZ] Auto Tranny Testing Checking
Someone provided this link ( http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/adjust/) to an article about checking AT transmissions on W123 W126 Diesels. Does anyone know if this article applies to a W124 also?? Particularily (for me) a 91 300D 2.5. TIA -- Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Welcome back [was Re: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting] On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, Go check out my tranny adjuting article written many moons ago at http://articles.mbz.org/transmission/adjust/ Dan, Welcome back. Haven't heard from you for many moons ... Craig (was in Austin, TX, now in Los Alamos, NM) --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 238 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
[MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon
One of the third tier dealers as I call them (not a new car dealer, not a big used car lot, but a place with about 10 - 15 cars for sale at an abandoned gas station) has a '99 E320 wagon with 4matic for sale. It looks like a nice car inside and out, but I never make the first stop at a place like that when they are open so I don't know how it runs, how many miles, etc. Very likely no maintenance records. In all probability this car would be too rich for my wallet, but what would be any likely problem items I would want to be on the lookout for? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn't the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct? Shouldn't that be a dealer repair regardless of who owns the car when the problem surfaces? Also, regardless of the miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Unless you own a Mercedes, then it destroys itself. Probably more financial than technical reasons for this. When most people these days keep a car for less than five years, there's little motivation for the manufacture to make them last 20 years and half a million miles. High-line cars are often leased for only two years so that lowers the threshold even more. Unfortunately I think the bean counter mentality has won out over the engineers on these issues. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 95 E320
Don wrotesend me $5000 in small unmarked bills So, does that mean you wouldn't accept *large*, marked bills? ;-) I'll ponder that price for a while - thanks. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 E320 Larry wrote: I thought that car was sold a couple of times? Did *another* deal fall through? How much are you looking far anyway? I thought I had someone here in Wichita that was going to buy it. Also, Bill R. is interested in it, but is waiting for legal issues to be resolved. It is still for sale. I have it listed on Autotrader for $5100. I offered it to the list members for $4900. I was gone on vacation last week and this week I have been in depositions out the state. I mention this because I haven't really done anything to sell it since I listed it on ebay. So, its still for sale. A couple of other list members have emailed me and expressed some interest, but I still have the car. So, if you want to send me $5000 in small unmarked bills I will be glad to sell you the car. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon
Hi Allan, You wrote:10 - 15 cars for sale at an abandoned gas station Those are the kinds of places I always think of as having the flood damaged cars (for some reason) from the last hurricane season! Be careful if you start looking seriously at one - All those flood damaged cars must be *somewhere* !! I have trouble believeing they were crushed Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon One of the third tier dealers as I call them (not a new car dealer, not a big used car lot, but a place with about 10 - 15 cars for sale at an abandoned gas station) has a '99 E320 wagon with 4matic for sale. It looks like a nice car inside and out, but I never make the first stop at a place like that when they are open so I don't know how it runs, how many miles, etc. Very likely no maintenance records. In all probability this car would be too rich for my wallet, but what would be any likely problem items I would want to be on the lookout for? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work well, the predictable results occur, often accompanied by unpleasant, unanticipated side-effects. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Hi Allan, That's a shame - if you're right ( I'm sure you are), we now have throw-away $100K cars! But I guess from the manufacturer's POV, once the initial sale is made and profit taken, the Manufacturer washes his hands in anything to do with a car they spent so much time and effort building in the 1st place. What a shame. The bean-counter mentality has become so ingrained in so many businesses. When I worked at a large chemical/textile company they were adopting Total Quality. TQ this and TQ that with all kinds of acronyms to describe a new culture. One thing they wanted us to take away was that if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. In the world of bean-counting that kind of logic makes perfect sense. Reality has a way of doing things differently that expected. And the biggest problem of all for that mentality is, You don't know what you don't know. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn't the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct? Shouldn't that be a dealer repair regardless of who owns the car when the problem surfaces? Also, regardless of the miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Unless you own a Mercedes, then it destroys itself. Probably more financial than technical reasons for this. When most people these days keep a car for less than five years, there's little motivation for the manufacture to make them last 20 years and half a million miles. High-line cars are often leased for only two years so that lowers the threshold even more. Unfortunately I think the bean counter mentality has won out over the engineers on these issues. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
sarcasm Let me point out that Mercedes has fully met it's obligations to provide warranty service - even on vehicles that it made with serious material and design flaws. The fact is that a $70,000 Mercedes has no better warranty than a Yugo. It is just another car, after all. /sarcasm -Dave Walton On 6/8/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote:I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. Couldn't agree more. You know, ATs have been built in the same basic configuration for something like 60-75 years. I would have hoped than in all that time they would have refined the methods of construction and found all the weak points and engineered them away. But this doesn;t seem to be the case. Perhaps I am over-simplifying things? Some shop should be able to rebuild a AT to where it is as good as it left the factory - I know technology has evolved dramatically over the past 50 years but all that electronics should make life easier, not more difficult. And, unfortunately, some things break before their time (IMHO) even if they are maintained properly. Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn;t the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct? Shouldn;t that be a dealer repair regardless of who owns the car when the problem surfaces? Also, regardless of the miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Unless you own a Mercedes, then it destroys itself. Sorry about the rant - should I expect *less* of a MB or more? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. If you get someone who knows what they are doing and does it conscientiously, then it will be worth it in the long run. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL OW. On 6/7/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Just had 91 350SDL tranny rebuilt at Griffin's Tranny Ser, Raleigh, NC. $2231 parts labor. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/837 - Release Date: 6/6/2007 2:03 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 91 350SDL
Coupla weeks ago, I asked list for info on MB tranny repair in Raleigh area; 'got no answer. Griffin was recommended by indy MB tech at D E Quality Ser. as being consciencious and well experienced MB tranny guy. We all hope for good, long-lasting repairs. When I picked up car after repair, Tranny Guy caught me lying on pavement beside car checking belly pans. He asked, excitedly, Sir, what are you looking at? I replied, Just trying to make sure belly pans are in place - not left off and lost like my 300D, there. He seemed quite insulted that I might think that he could have left something off. He asked, Why didn't you just ask me? I'm an honest guy. I told him that I feel better, though, when I see it for myself - a good lesson I learned a LONG time ago. This applies to repairs on ANYTHING, especially airplanes and cars. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon
LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those are the kinds of places I always think of as having the flood damaged cars (for some reason) from the last hurricane season! Be careful if you start looking seriously at one - All those flood damaged cars must be *somewhere* !! I have trouble believeing they were crushed Friend of mine told me that most insurance totals in the USA are resold in Mexico where they are put back into running condition with duct tape and rubber bands. Not sure if it's true. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some things are unknown and unknowable. This means that some things should be done, even though they can't be measured. Implementation by people with insufficient understanding, or a different agenda cause the quality improvement culture to fail, sooner or later. Often some improvements survive the collapse of the leadership and culture. Loren (flashing the CQE card on this one) Back to the topic: In Wilton's position in life, the peace of mind of rebuilding the trans outweighs the cost. The good news is that he sees a noticeable improvement. Lets hope the 350SDL serves him as well as he has served us. At 09:15 AM 6/8/2007, you wrote: When I worked at a large chemical/textile company they were adopting Total Quality. TQ this and TQ that with all kinds of acronyms to describe a new culture. One thing they wanted us to take away was that if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. Loren Faeth
[MBZ] MB Interface for Alpine CD Changer
Hi Kaleb, I am getting ready to order the MB Interface to use a Alpine Changer with my Becker Grand Prix Amp, head unit and tuner. Can you tell me what the MB interface box looks like? I found this http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110011375513 which says it is an interface - but I think it's just a PIE cable which I already have. The changer I bought came with the PIE cable - but if I correctly remember what you said, I need the following: PIE cable. the MB Interface Box and 2 Becker cables to connect to the Amp/tuner. I'm almost ready to spend $180 with Rusty for the MB Interface and since it;s a special order, it's not returnable. I *think* I need it, but would like your experienced opinion. TIA - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ .
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's strange 603
Give ya $50 for it At 08:54 PM 6/2/2007, you wrote: yes, I do still have it. John Robbins wrote: I'm blind. Found another pic of what I wanted. That still is a really strange setup... John Robbins wrote: http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/603engine/ Do you still have this engine Kaleb? Is there a throttle linkage going to the IP or can you take another pic of the governor part of the IP? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
On 6/8/07, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In Wilton's position in life, the peace of mind of rebuilding the trans outweighs the cost. The good news is that he sees a noticeable improvement. Lets hope the 350SDL serves him as well as he has served us. Hear, hear! Alex Chamberlain
[MBZ] Transmission pressure gauge (was: 603 VCV swap cures hard shifting)
On 6/7/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will check to see if the loaner I had is still floating around somewhere. If not, I can give you some suggestions for making one - it's not a big deal. Poos Thanks Dan! Waiting with bated breath for this one! I have to get the car up in the air this weekend anyway (long-overdue summer tire swap) and plan to investigate this pesky modulator while I'm under there. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
I had trouble with a GM 700R4 in my Chevy Suburban. I had it rebuilt at about 130K miles and it needed it again at 180K miles. Motor was fine but tranny was junk. I debated doing it myself and did some research on the matter. Ended up selling the vehicle due to concerns about rust, upholstery wear etc and thus never did the tranny myself. However, basic research online indicated that there were a whole lot of upgrades available for that transmission. Anyone in the know who really wanted it to last would change out a number of pieces for later parts and would drill out orifaces to increase oil flow to the parts that suffered from insufficient oil etc. The real tranny guys knew how to fix it if one was prepared to pay enough for the parts etc. My problem was that I did not know enough to ask for that when I had it done the first time. I let them throw in the basics and that just was not good enough for a big heavy truck. It soon came back to haunt me. I was busy at the time with a number of other things and somewhat intimidated by the size and weight of the vehicle and just let a shop do the removal and install after sending the tranny out somewhere for a fast fix. I won't ever do that again with a vehicle that I plan to keep and drive. Maybe if one just wants it to move so it can be sold but not if one wants long term service. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 8:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost You wrote:I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. Couldn't agree more. You know, ATs have been built in the same basic configuration for something like 60-75 years. I would have hoped than in all that time they would have refined the methods of construction and found all the weak points and engineered them away. But this doesn;t seem to be the case. Perhaps I am over-simplifying things? Some shop should be able to rebuild a AT to where it is as good as it left the factory - I know technology has evolved dramatically over the past 50 years but all that electronics should make life easier, not more difficult. And, unfortunately, some things break before their time (IMHO) even if they are maintained properly. Am I being unreasonable? Shouldn;t the transmission on a $50,000 car (new price) last for 300K or 500K without being opened for work? And of course, the W140s cost twice that much when new - and they have things like wiring harnesses that self-destruct? Shouldn;t that be a dealer repair regardless of who owns the car when the problem surfaces? Also, regardless of the miles. Afterall, wire is not something that *wears out*. How many of us have wiring in our house that 30,50 or 80 years old? Except for a poor choice of materials at some times, it lasts and lasts. Unless you own a Mercedes, then it destroys itself. Sorry about the rant - should I expect *less* of a MB or more? Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Let us just hope that they did a good job of it. I had a Chevy tranny rebuilt to the tune of $1200 (incl r r) and it didn't last 50K miles before it needed it again. I don't mind paying good money for something so long as I get what I pay for. If you get someone who knows what they are doing and does it conscientiously, then it will be worth it in the long run. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sunil Hari Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 4:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL OW. On 6/7/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Just had 91 350SDL tranny rebuilt at Griffin's Tranny Ser, Raleigh, NC. $2231 parts labor. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. Brian On 6/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUN AWAY! This sounds like the cretin who sold me the POS SDL on eBay four years ago. He was going to pick me up at the airport too. He missed that and I waited a few hours, called his home #, talked to his retarded wife. She had no idea what I was talking about. The seller claimed to be a MD, but may have been only the night janitor at the hospital. He had a dirt lot, curbstone junk yard of a used car sales spot under some shady trees with Doofus and Dorkmeyer working for him when they were not asleep in the plastic chairs out back. Kaleb ended up with that car when it died a horrid death and I spent thousands on shop labor thousands of miles from home. RUN AWAY!! Take the bad feed back and RUN AWAY just my 0.02 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks for asking, Alex. We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D (with so many miles on it, I say cringing). The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions. Oh, and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay. In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he claims ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions. I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up, then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery. Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that we have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long time to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and not have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically cancel the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days from end of auction? Brian 83 240D 87 190D (hopeful) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Clay's playing with you. It's 1400 miles between Arlington TX and Hemet CA. Unless your seller in Hemet, CA likes long commutes, it's very unlikely it's the same guy. But, you never know On 6/8/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. Brian On 6/7/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RUN AWAY! This sounds like the cretin who sold me the POS SDL on eBay four years ago. He was going to pick me up at the airport too. He missed that and I waited a few hours, called his home #, talked to his retarded wife. She had no idea what I was talking about. The seller claimed to be a MD, but may have been only the night janitor at the hospital. He had a dirt lot, curbstone junk yard of a used car sales spot under some shady trees with Doofus and Dorkmeyer working for him when they were not asleep in the plastic chairs out back. Kaleb ended up with that car when it died a horrid death and I spent thousands on shop labor thousands of miles from home. RUN AWAY!! Take the bad feed back and RUN AWAY just my 0.02 On Jun 6, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Thanks for asking, Alex. We actually wound up winning that ebay auction last night - the CA 87 190D (with so many miles on it, I say cringing). The seller was incommunicado on my questions via ask the seller a question. I chalked this up to sellers being sick to death of quesions. Oh, and his not taking us seriously because we are brand new to ebay. In the photos, it looks to us like the clearcoat is peeling some - he claims ignorance. And we see one dent behind the driver front wheel - he claims ignorance. I will post pics later to get opinions. I talked to him on phone today. I will be flying out to CA to pick it up, then I will be driving it on up to our new home in WA. He says he can meet me at airport, reluctantly, if he is not preforming surgery. Question for list: He has in writing as part of his auction listing that we have 7 days to pick up car and pay him balance. But on phone he says this deadline is so big deal - he just has it since some people take a long time to pick up car. I would love to have a few extra days to get there - and not have to rush to get there by Tuesday, but could this guy technically cancel the sale because we are not paying balance and picking up car by 7 days from end of auction? Brian 83 240D 87 190D (hopeful) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] I hate gassers
Wednesday, June 6, 2007 At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. (Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. Friday, June 8, 2007 I prepped the car for Jill's cross-state road trip to see our niece's Christening. I put the cooler in the bucket and hooked it to the defroster plug. I washed the car, then took off the air cleaner to look for gas leaks. Found some! Two of the fittings on the fuel distributor looked damp, and the body of the electrical dingus on the side was weeping. I removed all these items and cleaned up the seats. That cured the distributor leaks, but the dingus was still leaking gasoline from its weep holes. I went to my convertible in storage and stole its electrical part, and put it on instead. (It must be love!) Other than a fuel fountain or two it looks good. (I put the bad part on my car, to plug the holes at any rate. Also I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. I've got lots to do down there now.) Unfortunately I believe this is the E.H.A. valve, and is a $300 item on Rusty's site. Yikes! She also reported that her window switch had stopped working, so I tore that open and cleaned it. It works again. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mooseday
Yikes! I'd love to read the aide's written documentation of the trip out. On 6/8/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you thought the picture of the 300SD strapped to the front of a semi was weird, what do you think about this? Wheelchair-bound man taken on wild ride lodged in truck's grille http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007706080334 -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ Make a small loan, Make a big difference - Kiva.org
Re: [MBZ] 91 350SDL
On 6/8/07, wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I picked up car after repair, Tranny Guy caught me lying on pavement beside car checking belly pans. He asked, excitedly, Sir, what are you looking at? I replied, Just trying to make sure belly pans are in place - not left off and lost like my 300D, there. He seemed quite insulted that I might think that he could have left something off. He asked, Why didn't you just ask me? I'm an honest guy. I told him that I feel better, though, when I see it for myself - a good lesson I learned a LONG time ago. Especially considering the belly pans cost a pretty penny new and are impossible to find used! They're missing from my '87, and I haven't yet worked up the nerve to buy a (much cheaper) set of 300D 2.5 ones just to see if they can be modified to fit (nor have I sunk low enough to hack up replacements out of Home Depot aluminum and pop rivets). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '93 Isuzu Trooper '86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Loren wrote:That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some Yeah, I'm sure some of the things we were being pushed toward were from books the people being paid to train us. A facility of 400 or so engineers, scientists, consultants, shoppers (like me) and almost everyone else on the site spent a couple of days putting plastic boats together (incorrectly at first), then formng groups, electing foremen/women and speakers, etc to solve a problem we had come up with on the spur of the moment. Turned out that problem (which might not be realistic or solvable) might end up lasting a year or more as various team members researched things, conducted polls, etc while working to solve that problem and making sure we could measure our improvement. And of course, we had to continue doing the rest of our duties at the same time. I suspect to prove we could do more in a weeks time if only we *really* wanted to. I suspect a lot of stuff Demming came up with was pushed by the wayside in an effort to improve the process. Yuck - enough memories. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. That is in direct conflict with the founders and foundations of TQ. Dr. Deming said, Some things are unknown and unknowable. This means that some things should be done, even though they can't be measured. Implementation by people with insufficient understanding, or a different agenda cause the quality improvement culture to fail, sooner or later. Often some improvements survive the collapse of the leadership and culture. Loren (flashing the CQE card on this one) Back to the topic: In Wilton's position in life, the peace of mind of rebuilding the trans outweighs the cost. The good news is that he sees a noticeable improvement. Lets hope the 350SDL serves him as well as he has served us. At 09:15 AM 6/8/2007, you wrote: When I worked at a large chemical/textile company they were adopting Total Quality. TQ this and TQ that with all kinds of acronyms to describe a new culture. One thing they wanted us to take away was that if an improvement cannot be measured then it cannot be an improvement. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Blaming eco-nazi's is just a cop-out. I still blame Damlier-(whatever) for the self destructing wiring. With their large engineering staff, someone at MBZ had to know the characteristics of the selected wiring. And MBZ decided that they did not care, or maybe they realized the oportunity to profit from the repairs caused by the very limited life expectancy of this wire. All this talk about high-end cars now being leased for 5 yrs does not justify such decisions. A major reason for the high price and prestige of a Mercedes is its durability and high resale value. It seems Lexus etc. probably pushed MBZ to rethink the market for their product. But if MBZ is now selling a disposable product, like everybody else sells, their whole unique market position will go away. As used Mercedes customers, in the future we may not see any reason to offer more for a Mercedes jalopy than for a Chevy or Toyota jalopy. That type of trend would reduce resale values and make a new Mercedes even more expensive to lease. I watched the Ford quality is job 1 b.s. unfold. By my take on that issue, the only way they could call what they were doing quality was to make their own definition for quality. By their definition, if they could control what the product would do, then they could call the product quality. Didn't matter that they controlled the product to become a POS. They could call the POS quality, I think qualtiy is actually a little more subjective that that, and it was obviously a marketing move for Ford to call their statistical quality control program quality. I always associate quality with a product that works very well, is durable, looks good, holds its value and has other harder to measure positive characteristics (like a 123 Mercedes). Of the many cars I've owned, there was never much doubt about which ones demonstrated higher quality. But I doubt I could devise a statistical program to prove my evaluation. Anyway, off the soap box and back to technical stuff, Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300D x2 '85 300D '80 300TD (and in the past/present - Ford, Pontiac, Dodge, Chrysler, VW, Toyota, Nissan, MG, BMW, and maybe others I can't remember of the top of my head/)
Re: [MBZ] idle question on 99 E320 wagon
LarryT wrote: All those flood damaged cars must be *somewhere* !! I have trouble believeing they were crushed Auto Network in Indiana often has hurricane cars when they are in season. I've seen deep water flood cars with Houston dealer license frames there. http://www.autonetworkinc.com/autonetwork/AUTONETWORK.FWX?D04VIEWL0112-1307
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Zoltan Finks wrote: Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. If I recall correctly, it was quite middle eastern. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers
Jim Cathey wrote: Also I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. Menard's near me sells 8 packs of rat/mouse granola bars. Much better than those blue D-Con pellets that the mice just cart off and hide. Ultra Stop Bait Bars $2.98/lb A bar in the cabin, one in the trunk, and one under the hood, one package does 2 2/3 cars.
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Allan wrote:Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work Which bring me to another huge problem I have with govt regulations which mandate private industry do certain things but ignore the cost of those things. One thing comes to mind is the recent wave of HIPPA (sp?) regulations that we are being showered with everytime we get a prescription filled or go to a doctors office or hospital. New forms to sign and procedures to follow all in the name of providing the average citizen with improved privacy protection. I picture some nationwide movement of people clammering for privacy protection. Forget keeping illegal aliens on their side of the fence - find a way to stop BillyBob from looking over my shoulder as I sign my name on some silly form created to protect the drugstores good name. Bah, Humbug I say. All kinds of costs associated with this regulation were embedded into our health care costs without much fanfare IIRC. The cost must be pretty big considering the number of pieces of paper I end up with relating to Hippa whenever I go to the doctor. All that costs adds to the price we pay for things every day yet we have little say in the matter, As far as gas prices - the media makes big news of the fact Big Oil is raking in billions in profits - money that will go to drill more wells (hopefully), build refineries (some day) and pay dividends to stockholders (little people like me) - but no mention is ever made of the tax $'s the govt is raking in - .30 cents per gal IIRC - more than twice the profit big oil gets - and the govt doesn't have to build one signle pipeline, hire one gas station attendant, drill one dry well after another, and on and on. But that financial rape of the American people never makes the news. Sorry - I'll stop now. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work well, the predictable results occur, often accompanied by unpleasant, unanticipated side-effects. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
[MBZ] I hate gassers
Jim wrote: At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. (Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. I went to my convertible in storage and stole its electrical part, and put it on instead. (It must be love!) Other than a fuel fountain or two it looks good. (I put the bad part on my car, to plug the holes at any rate. Also I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. I've got lots to do down there now.)She also reported that her window switch had stopped working, so I tore that open and cleaned it. It works again. Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your diesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I had a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the diesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels the IP leaks and sometimes, they have to be rebuilt, or resealed, etc. It sounds like the problem is not that it is a gasser, but it is a machine with parts that fail and yours may have some age on it and parts will continue to fail. If you can find a diesel that never needs repairs, I need to find one of them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers
On 6/8/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your diesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I had a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the diesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels the IP leaks and sometimes, they have to be rebuilt, or resealed, etc. An old diesel with fuel leaks under the hood is not quite so likely to spontaneously combust. Alex Chamberlain
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Yes, and actually the two of the last three Benz sellers I have seriously dealt with have sounded like they were of Indian heritage. (and as Seinfeld would say: not that there's anything wrong with that). I realize these people make a business out of flipping Benzes. I fully knew this going in with this guy, but his ebay feedback was pretty reassuring. I have caught him in a few minor lies so far, but I think that that just comes with the territory. I am gambling on this being a good car, and I know the odds are decidedly against me. I did not, however, expect trickery coming from this list. Brian On 6/8/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: Clay: You there, buddy? You dropped a bomb. Now help me out when you get a chance. Tell me the town that you went to to pick up your car. And tell me the name of the man who signed a car over to you. If I recall correctly, it was quite middle eastern. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have caught him in a few minor lies so far, but I think that that just comes with the territory. I am gambling on this being a good car, and I know the odds are decidedly against me. Lies, or oversights? Oversight: something minor he did not disclose in the ad but did not try to hide when asked. Lie: something he told you that turned out to be false, or stated in the ad that turned out to be false. I agree it comes with the territory, for some reason people often turn in to liars when it comes to selling cars. But, for your sake, I certainly hope everything works out for you. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers
Donald Snook wrote: Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your diesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I had a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the diesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels the IP leaks and sometimes, they have to be rebuilt, or resealed, etc. It sounds like the problem is not that it is a gasser, but it is a machine with parts that fail and yours may have some age on it and parts will continue to fail. If you can find a diesel that never needs repairs, I need to find one of them. I think it might be a good idea to see who sent the original email... I think he is quite familiar with failing parts. ;) John
Re: [MBZ] Self destruct wiring harness (was) 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Not Mercedes' fault. Mercedes objected to the requirement that they have biodegradable wiring into new models starting in '92. Mercedes wanted a couple of extra years for testing, but the German government insisted that biodegradable wiring must be implemented NOW. By '96 they had worked thru the problems and the harness largely stopped spontaneously degrading in the cars. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
I did that with Gump and the dork at the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low. Cost more to register Gump that I paid for her. On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: very happy with my purchase. Make sure you document the actual price you paid in writing (bill of sale), especially if it's less than blue book. That way the DOR won't ding you when it comes time to license. A bill of sale is not sufficient in WA. If you are paying anything less than Blue Book value you need to take along, and both sign, the Declaration of Buyer and Seller Regarding Value of Used Vehicle Sold form that is available at: http://www.dor.wa.gov/Docs/Forms/Misc/ DeclarBuyerSllrRcValueUsedVehSold_E.pdf Otherwise they will require you to pay sales tax on the blue book value. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the trivialization of the term nazi and all the heinous acts they committed. Government regulators are NOT nazis in ANY sense of the word. If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather than jsut some Mercedes models?? On 6/8/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work well, the predictable results occur, often accompanied by unpleasant, unanticipated side-effects. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Self destruct wiring harness
Hi Marshall, It's good to have you back. What was the logic behind bio-degradable wiring? Was the plan that wiring last X years and then degrade so disposal would be easier? I always thought wiring - especially copper wiring - had enough value to entice people to recycle it. Perhaps auto wiring harnessses are too difficult to recycle? Anyway, did the German Govt have a number of years they wanted the wiring to last before expiring? Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Self destruct wiring harness (was) 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Not Mercedes' fault. Mercedes objected to the requirement that they have biodegradable wiring into new models starting in '92. Mercedes wanted a couple of extra years for testing, but the German government insisted that biodegradable wiring must be implemented NOW. By '96 they had worked thru the problems and the harness largely stopped spontaneously degrading in the cars. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
you wrote: the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low That must be really irritating - to have some nameless, faceless bureaucrat decide what the value of your MB is based on what? His perception of the cost? Va got around that by establishing a min. tax value - something like $1000 regardless of what was paid. Still not far but at least not a roll of the dice. Perhaps your state does something similar? Have a nice weekend - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D I did that with Gump and the dork at the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low. Cost more to register Gump that I paid for her. On Jun 6, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: very happy with my purchase. Make sure you document the actual price you paid in writing (bill of sale), especially if it's less than blue book. That way the DOR won't ding you when it comes time to license. A bill of sale is not sufficient in WA. If you are paying anything less than Blue Book value you need to take along, and both sign, the Declaration of Buyer and Seller Regarding Value of Used Vehicle Sold form that is available at: http://www.dor.wa.gov/Docs/Forms/Misc/ DeclarBuyerSllrRcValueUsedVehSold_E.pdf Otherwise they will require you to pay sales tax on the blue book value. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.11/838 - Release Date: 6/7/2007 2:21 PM
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Somebody here probably knows RWD Volvos better than I, but I believe that early-'90s 240s have the same problem, so it's not just Mercedes. On 6/8/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the trivialization of the term nazi and all the heinous acts they committed. Government regulators are NOT nazis in ANY sense of the word. If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather than jsut some Mercedes models?? On 6/8/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work well, the predictable results occur, often accompanied by unpleasant, unanticipated side-effects. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Volvo RWD (240, 760) did suffer from the same problem. I once owned an '86 Volvo 240 4 speed manual with electric overdrive. I repaired the engine compartment wiring harness several times. It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under the hood. Other than that, it was a fantastic car. Terry Geiger '74 Triumph TR6 | '63 Triumph Herald | '70 MGBGT | '84 Mercedes 300D Diesel http://www.shoalsbritishcars.org/ - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Somebody here probably knows RWD Volvos better than I, but I believe that early-'90s 240s have the same problem, so it's not just Mercedes. On 6/8/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like another one of those urban myths - and I also object ot the trivialization of the term nazi and all the heinous acts they committed. Government regulators are NOT nazis in ANY sense of the word. If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather than jsut some Mercedes models?? On 6/8/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blame the eco-nazis for this one. They _had_ good wire that lasted and lasted, but somebody legislated a biodegradable wiring harness. Same problem with paints, and, I'm told, galvanization. Good point -- when environmental laws are passed by people who don't know anything about the actual science involved, with deadlines that don't allow industry enough time to find solutions that work well, the predictable results occur, often accompanied by unpleasant, unanticipated side-effects. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
When I lived in Illinois the registration fee was flat based on vehicle type. All passenger cars had the same fee, regardless of value. LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you wrote: the license place charged me the state decided value for the car, since KBB was too low and even the eBay paperwork with winning bid price was too low That must be really irritating - to have some nameless, faceless bureaucrat decide what the value of your MB is based on what? His perception of the cost? Va got around that by establishing a min. tax value - something like $1000 regardless of what was paid. Still not far but at least not a roll of the dice. Perhaps your state does something similar? -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Terry Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It didn't seem to be a problem anywhere else, only on wiring under the hood. I believe it was the heat of the engine compartment that triggered the self-destruction. Probably the insulation was designed to degrade in the sunlight (UV light) like trash bags are now, but the in the early formulations the degredation was also triggered by heat. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
andrew strasfogel wrote: This sounds like another one of those urban myths... SNIP If your allegation were true, than why don't ALL wiring harnesses degrade rather than jsut some Mercedes models?? Not a myth at all. The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned) models starting in 1992 with the 140 followed by the 202 and the revised 124s with M104 and OM 606 engines. By 1996 Mercedes had solved the problem that needed several years to resolve, but the government was unwilling to wait. I do not know how other German manufactures handle the mandate. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Good words, Allan. I guess it's statements made that one does not know to be true. For instance the seller says that there is a dash pad installed that has no cracks in it. This in itself does not make total sense - of course a new dash pad does not have crack in it. BUT the problem is that on the phone, the guy says he has never looked under the dash mat (the cloth thing). And in a photo, I believe I see a crack in the dash pad. Yes, it does seem like a foregone conclusion that the statements - both general and specific - someone makes when describing the car they're selling are at least padded. When I was selling my SAAB recently, my wife told me, before I met with a potential buyer, hey you don't have to tell him everything that's wrong with it - you talk the car down too much!. I had to pause and think: really? do I not disclose every single thing that's wrong? No, I think I should. Perhaps that what hurts me in selling, and why I only got $300 for the car. It's not worth it to me to lie though. Brian Allan wrote: Lies, or oversights? Oversight: something minor he did not disclose in the ad but did not try to hide when asked. Lie: something he told you that turned out to be false, or stated in the ad that turned out to be false. I agree it comes with the territory, for some reason people often turn in to liars when it comes to selling cars. But, for your sake, I certainly hope everything works out for you.
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned) models starting in 1992 with the 140 followed by the 202 and the revised 124s with M104 and OM 606 engines. By 1996 Mercedes had solved the problem that needed several years to resolve, but the government was unwilling to wait. I do not know how other German manufactures handle the mandate. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Okie in Maine update
I am in Bar Harbor, overlooking the ocean. I have found a cheap 91 300TE 4matic I want to buy and drive back home. I would probably be in trouble if I did that. Another update later!!
Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers
I've been on this list for several years now and never owned a diesel MB.. probably won't either. I can remember when this list was all gassers and there was a separate list for the stinky guys..:) I mean that in a nice way..;) Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 1:22 pm Subject: [MBZ] I hate gassers Jim wrote: At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. I went to y convertible in storage and stole its electrical part, and put it on nstead. (It must be love!) Other than a fuel fountain or two it looks ood. (I put the bad part on my car, to plug the holes at any rate. lso I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. I've got ots to do down there now.)She also reported that her window switch had stopped working, so I ore that open and cleaned it. It works again. Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your iesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I ad a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the iesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels the IP leaks nd sometimes, they have to be rebuilt, or resealed, etc. It sounds like the problem is not that it is a gasser, but it is a achine with parts that fail and yours may have some age on it and parts ill continue to fail. If you can find a diesel that never needs epairs, I need to find one of them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) ___ ttp://www.okiebenz.com or new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ or used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.
Re: [MBZ] I hate gassers
diesel people stink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been on this list for several years now and never owned a diesel MB.. probably won't either. I can remember when this list was all gassers and there was a separate list for the stinky guys..:) I mean that in a nice way..;) Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 1:22 pm Subject: [MBZ] I hate gassers Jim wrote: At lunch with the family I noticed a bit of a gas smell around the car. Jill's 560 SL.) No drips, but I will have to look into that. I went to y convertible in storage and stole its electrical part, and put it on nstead. (It must be love!) Other than a fuel fountain or two it looks ood. (I put the bad part on my car, to plug the holes at any rate. lso I had to clean the mouse nests off of the engine, sigh. I've got ots to do down there now.)She also reported that her window switch had stopped working, so I ore that open and cleaned it. It works again. Why are directing your hate to just gassers. Don't parts fail on your iesels? Don't window switches go bad on your diesels? Mine did when I ad a diesel. In fact, fuel injectors went bad and leaked fuel on the iesels I owned and fuel lines leaked, and on some diesels the IP leaks nd sometimes, they have to be rebuilt, or resealed, etc. It sounds like the problem is not that it is a gasser, but it is a achine with parts that fail and yours may have some age on it and parts ill continue to fail. If you can find a diesel that never needs epairs, I need to find one of them. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) ___ ttp://www.okiebenz.com or new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ or used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: ttp://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Finally got one Lets hope its an okay 190D
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was selling my SAAB recently, my wife told me, before I met with a potential buyer, hey you don't have to tell him everything that's wrong with it - you talk the car down too much!. I had to pause and think: really? do I not disclose every single thing that's wrong? No, I think I should. I don't think you have to disclose everything little thing that's wrong. Some things are obvious -- the buyer can see them by just looking at the car -- faded paint for example, or worn carpet. Some things have been broken for so long you genuinely forget about them, maybe the glovebox doesn't close quite right etc but you never use the glovebox and you just don't remember to mention it. I would not consider that to be deceptive as long as there's no active attempt to hide something. If a buyer wants a perfect car they buy a new one, anyone buying used should be prepared for some wear and tear. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update
Kaleb, Glad you have reached Maine. For the record, that's Bah Hahbah when you say it. I would be leery of the tinworm on any 16 year old NE car-maybe not so bad on the 124, but I have seen some with rust on the edges, but not like the 123's. Enjoy-make sure you learn how to eat steamahs. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:17 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update I am in Bar Harbor, overlooking the ocean. I have found a cheap 91 300TE 4matic I want to buy and drive back home. I would probably be in trouble if I did that. Another update later!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140 diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then flakes away leaving exposed copper. While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven technology, it did not prevent Mercedes from extending the warranty coverage or issuing a recall for a known defect. Mercedes decided to do that all on their own. -Dave Walton On 6/8/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- The biodegradable wiring harnesses were required on all NEW (redesigned) models starting in 1992 with the 140 followed by the 202 and the revised 124s with M104 and OM 606 engines. By 1996 Mercedes had solved the problem that needed several years to resolve, but the government was unwilling to wait. I do not know how other German manufactures handle the mandate. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update
the furthest i've been in new england is to road island, but i kinda liked it. the rural poor white trash looks about the same as here, only they wear red sox caps adn talk like ted kennedy. On 6/8/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb, Glad you have reached Maine. For the record, that's Bah Hahbah when you say it. I would be leery of the tinworm on any 16 year old NE car-maybe not so bad on the 124, but I have seen some with rust on the edges, but not like the 123's. Enjoy-make sure you learn how to eat steamahs. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, Laptop Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 5:17 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Okie in Maine update I am in Bar Harbor, overlooking the ocean. I have found a cheap 91 300TE 4matic I want to buy and drive back home. I would probably be in trouble if I did that. Another update later!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 91 350SDL
91 350SDL $58k new. Now at only 186kmi. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? The late '94 and all '95 124 E300Ds (with OM606 engines) and the 140 diesels had defective wiring harnesses. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
dave walton wrote: I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140 diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then flakes away leaving exposed copper. While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven technology, it did not prevent Mercedes from extending the warranty coverage or issuing a recall for a known defect. Mercedes decided to do that all on their own. Agreed, but did you present your claim before the 4 year/50kmi warranty expired? That was the limit the buyer of any new Mercedes accepted - even to MANUFACTURING or engineering defects. Additional warranty could be purchased! There is no reason that I can think of for Mercedes to be financially responsible for decisions of the German gov't. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Cold startup idle control
Or bad idle control valve hoses, a bad boot between the air flow meter horn and the throttle body, and/or injector leaks. Typical vacuum leak problems. A bad accumulator will also cause starting problems due to low initial fuel pressure. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 115 starter key lock removal
Insert key, turn to position 1. Pull steel sleeve away from tumbler (it covers the hole). Turn key back to position 0 and remove key and sleeve. Insert key, turn to position 1, insert small screwdriver, etc into hole, pull cylinder out. Install in reverse order. The sleeve will only pull up in position 1, and since you cannot remove the key, you must turn it back. Don't wait until it won't work, a much larger pain in the sitting part. Peter
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
Thanks Marshall. I will stick with my 124, 602. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marshall Booth Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 6:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: Marshall, Welcome back. Do I read this correctly that no diesels had biodegradable wiring? The late '94 and all '95 124 E300Ds (with OM606 engines) and the 140 diesels had defective wiring harnesses. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS 91 350SDL SEEMS TO BE AT Repair Cost
On the VMI for my 92 W140, there is the following entry which takes this particular MB way out of the original warranty time/mileage. I always wondered about this. Wiring Harness $2,800.00 90K May-01 John Freer On 6/8/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave walton wrote: I had to replace the engine and glow plug harness on my 94 S350 (W140 diesel). The failure is not subtle. The insulation first cracks and then flakes away leaving exposed copper. While the German Government may have mandated the use of unproven technology, it did not prevent Mercedes from extending the warranty coverage or issuing a recall for a known defect. Mercedes decided to do that all on their own. Agreed, but did you present your claim before the 4 year/50kmi warranty expired? That was the limit the buyer of any new Mercedes accepted - even to MANUFACTURING or engineering defects. Additional warranty could be purchased! There is no reason that I can think of for Mercedes to be financially responsible for decisions of the German gov't. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
