Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Allan Streib
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread rogerhga
Allan, Have you also noticed all the used car lots, used tire shops, and thrift stores? But hey, according to the gov, the economy is improving and we're all happy. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). Seems that way, doesn't it? I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 shipped in August of 2008. Now it's $87.25. If you

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Archer
Craig diese...@pisquared.net writes: I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past couple of years. Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been obligated to pay chasing the same

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago). They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has allowed domestic

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter. I know truck tires are more, but over $200 each for a

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of progressive socialist regimes. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320 tires now. The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Dan Penoff
The low profile sidewall tires are obscenely expensive as well. The wife's Mazda has them, and it has always been an exercise in pain when they require replacement. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread G Mann
At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours at a decent body shop. 3 hrs to repair, to paint standard, a rusty fender, is on the low side. Plus, when you are done, it's still a rusty fender under the paint. Even with shipping costs, the $308 figure, IMHO, would be the better investment.

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Gerry Archer
Gerry Archer wrote: Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here at least, the dealers charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them. The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Rich Thomas
We should respond with higher tariffs on chicken tires! My wife had a blowout on the Suburban a few weeks back, it was about time anyway to get new tars for it. $800+ later at Costco... ouch! --R On 6/1/12 8:23 AM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Allan

[MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

2012-06-01 Thread alanduff
I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the

Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

2012-06-01 Thread Rich Thomas
I can take a pic a bit later and send it to you. I also have the CDs if you want a copy. --R On 6/1/12 11:19 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote: I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
Try POR. Randy On 31/05/2012 6:34 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as needed. Wire brushing and topical rust removers do not approach what I've seen the

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed

Re: [MBZ] Logic

2012-06-01 Thread Dan Penoff
The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy regarding the details. Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about

Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about something he did not claim to know all about. Randy On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when Hank, G-d's gift to anything automotive or

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
One wonders how much the price of oil is directly reflected in the price of tires? Tires are synthetic rubber made from oil right? -Curt Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:32:03 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
I agree completely. Spend an afternoon giving the inside of the new fender a POR15 treatment before going to the body shop and you'll be way ahead. Even rust free on a used fender doesn't mean won't bubble with rust tomorrow. -Curt Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:03:29 -0700 From: G Mann

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread David Bruckmann
Actually, this has more to do with the fact that prices for both rubber and carbon black have been at record highs lately. Rubber because of severe weather in Asia in 2010, and carbon black because of industry consolidation (one less supplier in the market has raised prices). And high oil

Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

2012-06-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Could be. I think he has retreated a bit after trying to manage the list and hosting it on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of string. Dan On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread RDeafBoy
Miracle Paint . When I could not temporarily drive due to my stroke,I repaired 5 rust holes following Bergsma's Rust repair manual. 3 years later it still looks new. Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! Buy the Miracle

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
OOPS should have been 1936. I think 1936-1939 were about the same . Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used cars. Both courtesy of progressive socialist regimes. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: What's double is going from 15 190D tires then to 16 E320

Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

2012-06-01 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think it was 3m that did that Sent from my iPhone On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Could be. I think he has retreated a bit after trying to manage the list and hosting it on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of string.

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Yup absolutely! WallySams tars are poor. the game is to keep you coming in and buying more there. when I ran their tars, I was in once-twice a year for adjustment/replacement. Once I quit that cycle, I don't buy nearly as many tars. BTW, Kelley generally is a good tire. It is an old

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Larry T
Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 years and dragged everything with it. There's nothing that gets to the consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once - for instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck. I won't go

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Larry T
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these unintended accelerations. As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine keeping us at full acceleration. We were passing through 65 when I realized it and

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Raises hand... Walt On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest

Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

2012-06-01 Thread alanduff
Thanks Rich: There are several open connections on the box that sits on the valve cover. If the CD has the photo diagram that might help me make the hookup. I have two lines and four connectors if I remember correctly. The valve cover was bad so I had to order another one and my memory faded

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/06/2012 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it. Randy

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 2003 somewhere. So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last

[MBZ] Fwd: Re: tire opinion e3u4ama3

2012-06-01 Thread Rich Thomas
Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] tire opinion Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:58:39 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com It's the War for Oil that has really brought prices down, what

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Russ Williams
80 Mph isn't fast On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote: Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread John Reames
The 123 tires have gotten pricey too, since they are falling out of favor. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:13, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've

Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Yeah, I put off buying some last year. Now I have to try to find some that will last more than a couple years for a low annual mileage cockaroach, uh I mean 240D. I need to clean out the interior, touch up some paint spots, put tars on and get it licensed, and it should be ready to go. I

Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

2012-06-01 Thread Dieselhead
Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast?? Randy I do. My associate has one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets good gas mileage. It is the only car made in the last 30 years, outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat. 32 to 25 mpg for a car that size is

[MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion]

2012-06-01 Thread Craig
On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I

Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion] 0yhe3y7a

2012-06-01 Thread Rick Knoble
Jun 1, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: My records say prices peaked around 13 Jul 08; regular was $4.089/gal and diesel was $4.809/gal. Prices dropped to $1.589/gal for regular and $2.329/gal for diesel on 29 Dec 08. I'd attach a graph, but its larger than the 40