Re: [MBZ] SLS vid rip off
Good. I wasn't the only one who was disappointed. Figured it was an everything you wanted to know about self leveling suspension video. D Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I want my money back as well. Hendrik who settled in with a nice cuppa, ready to learn all about SLS systems On 09/07/13 08:35, Fmiser wrote: Rich wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Oh. Not about Self Leveling Suspension -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 92, Issue 61
Bushings don't have anything to do with the automatic down shifting as you slow down. Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:20:54 -0400 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D (now back to AT?) ; -) Message-ID: 51db4956.1010...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I had a rebuilt AT from Rusty installed about 2 years ago - don't know if new bushings were installed at that time. But that might explain the AT not downshifting. Plus, in 2 years the bushings may have worn out... Have been unable to find anything in the WSM so far But MB has always been secretive about their AT stuff. Well, not secretive but you had to search for it ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Craig wrote: On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:53:57 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I got to literally sleep in a bed with inflight entertainment and plenty of food/drink all the way over. It was a wonderful flight. A little cramped, but still better than the business class seats. Sounds like it was even better than first class. And he didn't have to wear a suit. (most airlines don't like sticking commoners in first class unless they are properly attired) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
The cabin crew told me that they would have put me in First Class but it was full. I was probably wearing jeans, as I always traveled in comfortable clothing whenever possible. I got to chat with the second officer when he came back to get something out of his bags, and got to visit the flight deck and sit in the jump seat for about 30 minutes, too (this was pre 9/11.) One of my partners at work had a similar incident happen to him about halfway across the Atlantic, and they let him ride the rest of the way in the jump seat. He was all a twitter, as he is a very avid private pilot, formerly owning a Stearman and now a Maule, I believe. The service on KLM is wonderful, even coach. In business class they gave you little gifts in each flight. At that time the gift was a hand made Delft tile with some sort of Netherlander design on it. I had a whole set of the things, which ended up being mounted on wooden plaques and hung around the top of our kitchen. I highly recommend KLM. Schipol is a great airport, too. D- On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:05 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Craig wrote: On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:53:57 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I got to literally sleep in a bed with inflight entertainment and plenty of food/drink all the way over. It was a wonderful flight. A little cramped, but still better than the business class seats. Sounds like it was even better than first class. And he didn't have to wear a suit. (most airlines don't like sticking commoners in first class unless they are properly attired) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Sounds like someone forgot the 7 Ps... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Ps_%28military_adage%29 In this case, Proper piloting prevents piss poor pullout and pileup. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
At 7:00 PM -0400 7/8/13, Rich Thomas wrote: leaking considerably, dripping down through the lights and such above my seat, right onto my head and neck. I pointed out to the FA that this might be an issue, electrics and all that in there and in the ceiling/floor above, through which I am sure ran a number of flight controls and such. Naw, most of that critical control stuff gets routed from the cockpit directly down through to the keel, where the airframe is toughest. At most, you might get a popped passenger light breaker or two. -MMM- (Airframe and Powerplant cert) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS vid rip off
I'll go make a vid of the TD's SLS and post it for y'all to get edumacated about. --R On 7/9/13 5:57 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Good. I wasn't the only one who was disappointed. Figured it was an everything you wanted to know about self leveling suspension video. D Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2013, at 10:26 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah I want my money back as well. Hendrik who settled in with a nice cuppa, ready to learn all about SLS systems On 09/07/13 08:35, Fmiser wrote: Rich wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Oh. Not about Self Leveling Suspension -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. --R On 7/9/13 7:02 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: (most airlines don't like sticking commoners in first class unless they are properly attired) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Knowing very little about airplane construction I would think that all electrical connections and components would be well insulated and water tight. Is this true? Mike On Jul 9, 2013 9:12 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:00 PM -0400 7/8/13, Rich Thomas wrote: leaking considerably, dripping down through the lights and such above my seat, right onto my head and neck. I pointed out to the FA that this might be an issue, electrics and all that in there and in the ceiling/floor above, through which I am sure ran a number of flight controls and such. Naw, most of that critical control stuff gets routed from the cockpit directly down through to the keel, where the airframe is toughest. At most, you might get a popped passenger light breaker or two. -MMM- (Airframe and Powerplant cert) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
One hopes. The wire bundles look sorta like what your car has, no idea what kind of connectors are used. But still, the idea of water dripping around inside an airplane's electrical guts gives one pause. --R On 7/9/13 10:17 AM, Michael Canfield wrote: Knowing very little about airplane construction I would think that all electrical connections and components would be well insulated and water tight. Is this true? Mike On Jul 9, 2013 9:12 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: At 7:00 PM -0400 7/8/13, Rich Thomas wrote: leaking considerably, dripping down through the lights and such above my seat, right onto my head and neck. I pointed out to the FA that this might be an issue, electrics and all that in there and in the ceiling/floor above, through which I am sure ran a number of flight controls and such. Naw, most of that critical control stuff gets routed from the cockpit directly down through to the keel, where the airframe is toughest. At most, you might get a popped passenger light breaker or two. -MMM- (Airframe and Powerplant cert) __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great vid -- dwarf cars
We are having a sunshine blizzard here lately. The city sunshine plows are stacking it up so high it's buried the cars and I can hardly shovel it out fast enough... ;))... Light Spring Day here.. it's only 109 at sunrise. Road trip to dwarf cars museum is on the bucket list. I'm sure it will take more than one trip to do it justice. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 23:02:58 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting, especially so now that I know I'm only a 45 minute drive away from his place. Road trip.. for sure.. 45 minutes? That's what it takes to get to Santa Fe or to our vet in Española from here. If you don't do that road trip, something's wrong with you By the way, has it gotten hot enough to melt your driveway-full of sunshine yet? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Rich Thomas wrote: BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. OK, I was extrapolating one person's SWA experience and maybe it was specific to his personal situation. His daughter had him on her employee family plan so he had liberal standby privileges, or for a small fee he could book first class. He hated to wear his suit (he was a truck driver) but it was part of the dress code for employee travelers in first class. In fact, he'd rather not fly first class, but if his daughter was afraid the cheap seats would fill up with paying customers and bump him off the plane she'd book him in advance for first class which was never full. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great vid -- dwarf cars
You need to invite Algore to visit. Wherever he goes, it snows. --R On 7/9/13 11:01 AM, G Mann wrote: We are having a sunshine blizzard here lately. The city sunshine plows are stacking it up so high it's buried the cars and I can hardly shovel it out fast enough... ;))... Light Spring Day here.. it's only 109 at sunrise. Road trip to dwarf cars museum is on the bucket list. I'm sure it will take more than one trip to do it justice. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 23:02:58 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting, especially so now that I know I'm only a 45 minute drive away from his place. Road trip.. for sure.. 45 minutes? That's what it takes to get to Santa Fe or to our vet in Española from here. If you don't do that road trip, something's wrong with you By the way, has it gotten hot enough to melt your driveway-full of sunshine yet? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great vid -- dwarf cars
Must be a typo.. snows? I'm sure you meant blows. Senator McCain was just here and I note the hot air quotient went up to new record. When does Redneck Spring start? On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You need to invite Algore to visit. Wherever he goes, it snows. --R On 7/9/13 11:01 AM, G Mann wrote: We are having a sunshine blizzard here lately. The city sunshine plows are stacking it up so high it's buried the cars and I can hardly shovel it out fast enough... ;))... Light Spring Day here.. it's only 109 at sunrise. Road trip to dwarf cars museum is on the bucket list. I'm sure it will take more than one trip to do it justice. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 7 Jul 2013 23:02:58 -0700 G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Very interesting, especially so now that I know I'm only a 45 minute drive away from his place. Road trip.. for sure.. 45 minutes? That's what it takes to get to Santa Fe or to our vet in Española from here. If you don't do that road trip, something's wrong with you By the way, has it gotten hot enough to melt your driveway-full of sunshine yet? Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Flying or otherwise, you'll always get better service and attention if you're well dressed. I was commuting to SFO from Tampa weekly or bi-weekly for over 6 months. I always flew the same route on United. I made it a point to learn the names of the cabin and gate crews, and even brought them goodies once in a while. I wasn't even a frequent flyer with them and I got moved up to domestic first class a number of times. It's all how you treat people. Dan On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. OK, I was extrapolating one person's SWA experience and maybe it was specific to his personal situation. His daughter had him on her employee family plan so he had liberal standby privileges, or for a small fee he could book first class. He hated to wear his suit (he was a truck driver) but it was part of the dress code for employee travelers in first class. In fact, he'd rather not fly first class, but if his daughter was afraid the cheap seats would fill up with paying customers and bump him off the plane she'd book him in advance for first class which was never full. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Where are the photos? BTW, $500 for a running 300D might actually be expensive UNLESS the car will pass inspction or you know what it will cost to get it through inspection. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Where are the photos? BTW, $500 for a running 300D might actually be expensive UNLESS the car will pass inspction or you know what it will cost to get it through inspection. Inspection? What's this inspection thingy you speak of? Esh and I live in Michigan. I was thinking if he could get a nice running body damaged 1984 for $500 less $350 cash back from the salvage yard, he could swap the whole engine. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Touche, BTW, what struck me about the inexperienced pilot was that he may never have actually landed such an aircraft before in his 43 hours of ttraining (or simulating). If true, this would be astounding. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Flying or otherwise, you'll always get better service and attention if you're well dressed. I was commuting to SFO from Tampa weekly or bi-weekly for over 6 months. I always flew the same route on United. I made it a point to learn the names of the cabin and gate crews, and even brought them goodies once in a while. I wasn't even a frequent flyer with them and I got moved up to domestic first class a number of times. It's all how you treat people. Dan On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. OK, I was extrapolating one person's SWA experience and maybe it was specific to his personal situation. His daughter had him on her employee family plan so he had liberal standby privileges, or for a small fee he could book first class. He hated to wear his suit (he was a truck driver) but it was part of the dress code for employee travelers in first class. In fact, he'd rather not fly first class, but if his daughter was afraid the cheap seats would fill up with paying customers and bump him off the plane she'd book him in advance for first class which was never full. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Depends upon where u live. Here in MA some of the private inspection stations will pass anything! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Where are the photos? BTW, $500 for a running 300D might actually be expensive UNLESS the car will pass inspction or you know what it will cost to get it through inspection. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
At 10:33 AM -0400 7/9/13, Rich Thomas wrote: One hopes. The wire bundles look sorta like what your car has, no idea what kind of connectors are used. Mostly insulated and waterproof types. But still, the idea of water dripping around inside an airplane's electrical guts gives one pause. What he said. However, a drip like that is more likely to wind up in the belly and drain out a vent. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Craigslist Hmmm...
Not mine and no interest. Just in case. Out of state could be just a few miles, Charlotte is on the border. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3915584473.html 93 mercedez $900 OBO- Has black and red leather interior. Excellent Body- Interior is Okay (no stab wombs or nothing lol) from a female persepective could definately use some inside TLC. The car runs gets hot and cold. The car needs a battery and a rear tire. ( It will take a jump to start, and the tire you can add air- slow air leak. I like to know when I am buying a car how smooth is the ride? Lol it's smooth on highways... It has 1/2 pistons Blown which is not major- I can refer you to a place that can fix that for about 3- 400 (if not cheaper) but other than that it works fine. If you got those 3 things done it would be a really nice car. Good Investment. We have Drove it out of state and back over 150,000 miles... But it works and the car has been really taken care of. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist Hmmm...
(no stab wombs or nothing lol) --R On 7/9/13 12:55 PM, Tim Crone wrote: Not mine and no interest. Just in case. Out of state could be just a few miles, Charlotte is on the border. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3915584473.html 93 mercedez $900 OBO- Has black and red leather interior. Excellent Body- Interior is Okay (no stab wombs or nothing lol) from a female persepective could definately use some inside TLC. The car runs gets hot and cold. The car needs a battery and a rear tire. ( It will take a jump to start, and the tire you can add air- slow air leak. I like to know when I am buying a car how smooth is the ride? Lol it's smooth on highways... It has 1/2 pistons Blown which is not major- I can refer you to a place that can fix that for about 3- 400 (if not cheaper) but other than that it works fine. If you got those 3 things done it would be a really nice car. Good Investment. We have Drove it out of state and back over 150,000 miles... But it works and the car has been really taken care of. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Talk of flying dress reminds me: During one of my trips to/from Greenland and in/out of Colorado Springs and Denver in '78, I was in check-in line at C. Springs or Denver (in Air Force class A uniform) when suddenly, there was a beyond-gorgeous, very well-endowed brunette in SHORT shorts, medium high heels and T shirt filled with unrestrained mammaries walking very confidently toward me. I did not stare - never have - was merely in subtle sector scan. Across front of T shirt was stenciled JELL-O. As she got very close and about to pass me, our eyes met for a second and we exchanged slight, mutually agreeable, shy-like smiles as I thought, but did not say, Just my flavor, too. Of course, I continued on my trip, uninterrupted, undeterred and without any deviation from my duties. Wonder what James, James Bond, that is, would have done? Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Flying or otherwise, you'll always get better service and attention if you're well dressed. I was commuting to SFO from Tampa weekly or bi-weekly for over 6 months. I always flew the same route on United. I made it a point to learn the names of the cabin and gate crews, and even brought them goodies once in a while. I wasn't even a frequent flyer with them and I got moved up to domestic first class a number of times. It's all how you treat people. Dan On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. OK, I was extrapolating one person's SWA experience and maybe it was specific to his personal situation. His daughter had him on her employee family plan so he had liberal standby privileges, or for a small fee he could book first class. He hated to wear his suit (he was a truck driver) but it was part of the dress code for employee travelers in first class. In fact, he'd rather not fly first class, but if his daughter was afraid the cheap seats would fill up with paying customers and bump him off the plane she'd book him in advance for first class which was never full. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Thx Larryt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.
Don't know about /black /smoke and loping at idle but I had a MB that had white smoke ran slowly or failed to move forward - it would not go faster than ~10mph - then all of a sudden it would spring to life. - it turned out to be carbon buildup in the head.. Don't know if yours is similar to mine regular long distance driving fixed it LarryT On 7/8/2013 11:59 PM, Dieselhead wrote: I have done many other things on my cars and I always enjoy the learning that takes place. I have little knowledge or experience with the injection pump and no one close by that could help me get through it the first time. I am learning more as we go from my mechanic and this forum. I will probably try it myself if I get the opportunity again. Thanks, Mike Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 Mike, You can't learn any sooner. I learned to work on OM621s out of necessity. If you do a little reading in the engine manual, or even old chilton manuals at the welfare bookstore(Library) you can get illustrations and instructions on changing the pump and or pump timing. What the books won't tell you is what I told you about an easy method to check to see if the timing is in the ballpark. I invented the method because I really did not want to disturb the delivery valves for the drip method. I read and reread the manuals and learned what the drip method was really trying to monitor. I had never had an engine apart before but I rebuilt my OM621 with a factory short block. Yes, I put in the pump and took it out because it was on the wrong tooth of the drive coupling until I got it right. Do it yourself. You care more about your car than anyone else does. Take the time to learn and to do it right. One other thing I learned about OM621 IPs is that the cams are under pressure (delivery stroke) if you try to put the pump in at the timing mark (27ºBTDC in this case) or even at TDC.There are 4 lobes on the cam (5 for OM617) If you get the ip cam to where it is at rest before the #1 lobe, and set the crank to about 90º BTDC for #1 compression, and stick the pump in, you are coordinating the pump cam location to the crank location.The factory method requires a special tool to hold the IP cam under tension to align with the timing mark. Without the tool, I had to invent a way to do the same thing (get the pump in time) so I read a lot and thought about what has to be accomplished, then developed ways to do it without the expensive MB tools. You can do the same. Take off the valve cover, turn the engine over slowly. watch the first camshaft lobe depress the first valve (#1 exhaust) then keep turning until the #1 intake valve goes down. Then turn the engine over until you can see the degree marks on the crank dampener. stop at 45º BTDC. Then clean and remove the #1 injector line, clean the fuel out of the tapered part of the DV union on the pump where the injector line fastens to the pump. turn the engine over very slowly until you see the fuel just start to move up in the DV union. Stop! Read the degrees on the crank dampener where the pointer is. That is roughly the start of delivery. That is all you need to do. Check where the beginning of fuel delivery is. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
DC inspection stations are tough as well as incorruptible. MD uses private gas station inspectors who will fail any car, even new ones. On Jul 9, 2013 12:04 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Depends upon where u live. Here in MA some of the private inspection stations will pass anything! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 11:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Where are the photos? BTW, $500 for a running 300D might actually be expensive UNLESS the car will pass inspction or you know what it will cost to get it through inspection. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Who cares about inspection. Pull the tires, engine, trans and whatever else you need. An oil cooler is what? $700? Get your friends to fill it full of old toasters and tin cans, haul it to the nearest scrap yard and put a couple hundred back in your pocket. Can't beat that. And maybe all it needs is a door and off ya goI wish I had the spare cash and a running truck. It would be here by now. Mike On Jul 9, 2013 11:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Where are the photos? BTW, $500 for a running 300D might actually be expensive UNLESS the car will pass inspction or you know what it will cost to get it through inspection. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: It is beginning to look that way. I have not given up yet. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Jul 8, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Frederick Moir wrote: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html That's one way to fix Esh's fuel delivery problem. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Is it still available? Is anyone in the area that could take look to see if it is running? http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html Thanks, Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 09, 2013, at 01:47 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Who cares about inspection. Pull the tires, engine, trans and whatever else you need. An oil cooler is what? $700? Get your friends to fill it full of old toasters and tin cans, haul it to the nearest scrap yard and put a couple hundred back in your pocket. Can't beat that. And maybe all it needs is a door and off ya goI wish I had the spare cash and a running truck. It would be here by now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist Hmmm...
Tim Crone wrote: Not mine and no interest. Just in case. Out of state could be just a few miles, Charlotte is on the border. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3915584473.html Nice looking W201 from the last year. Wonder if it's a four seater. $900 OBO needs some pistons means best offer will be less than $900 in my opinion. Anybody got a wrecked/rusted 190 turbo they want to upgrade? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Craigslist Hmmm...
Black - gonna hafta let it go. One blackun is enough. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Craigslist Hmmm... Tim Crone wrote: Not mine and no interest. Just in case. Out of state could be just a few miles, Charlotte is on the border. http://charlotte.craigslist.org/cto/3915584473.html Nice looking W201 from the last year. Wonder if it's a four seater. $900 OBO needs some pistons means best offer will be less than $900 in my opinion. Anybody got a wrecked/rusted 190 turbo they want to upgrade? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:19:58 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? If it's like a W123, you have to do it from below. any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Don't know, sorry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Advance Auto $50 off on $125
Anybody need a $130 battery for $80? http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/1283977/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry On 7/9/2013 3:30 PM, Craig wrote: On Tue, 09 Jul 2013 13:19:58 -0400 Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? If it's like a W123, you have to do it from below. any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Don't know, sorry. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
I just talked on the phone with the guy. 174,00 on good engine and only 30,000 on new transmission. Car is busted in on both passenger side doors and does have some rust. He is located near the corner of Parkhurst St Winthrop St in Quincy, MA 02169 Map Quest - http://mapq.st/12BHg8F His phone is 617-828-5547. Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 09, 2013, at 01:52 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote: Is it still available? Is anyone in the area that could take look to see if it is running? http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/cto/3915708294.html Thanks, Mike Michael E. Esh me...@horizonenv.com michael...@mac.com http://www.yugster.com/invite/138123 (C) 231.286.2344 On Jul 09, 2013, at 01:47 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Who cares about inspection. Pull the tires, engine, trans and whatever else you need. An oil cooler is what? $700? Get your friends to fill it full of old toasters and tin cans, haul it to the nearest scrap yard and put a couple hundred back in your pocket. Can't beat that. And maybe all it needs is a door and off ya goI wish I had the spare cash and a running truck. It would be here by now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Just so you know, that is pronounced Kwinzee --R On 7/9/13 3:47 PM, Mike Esh wrote: I just talked on the phone with the guy. 174,00 on good engine and only 30,000 on new transmission. Car is busted in on both passenger side doors and does have some rust. He is located near the corner of Parkhurst St Winthrop St in Quincy, MA 02169 Map Quest - http://mapq.st/12BHg8F His phone is 617-828-5547. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
Just like Quincy House at Hahvuhd. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Just so you know, that is pronounced Kwinzee --R On 7/9/13 3:47 PM, Mike Esh wrote: I just talked on the phone with the guy. 174,00 on good engine and only 30,000 on new transmission. Car is busted in on both passenger side doors and does have some rust. He is located near the corner of Parkhurst St Winthrop St in Quincy, MA 02169 Map Quest - http://mapq.st/12BHg8F His phone is 617-828-5547. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: DC inspection stations are tough as well as incorruptible. DC and incorruptible in the same sentence? That's a first. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
As someone who fails inspections regularly, I speak with authority. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:33 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: DC inspection stations are tough as well as incorruptible. DC and incorruptible in the same sentence? That's a first. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!
KB5QHU wrote: Similar to drugs creating super bacteria it's feared that GM food will cross pollinate with weeds and create weeds that are resistant to herbicide. We the people don't care. We the people don't care about our body - just gimme healthcare. We the people don't care about politics - just gimme more. Yes, we. Me included. Is this my fault? or the fault of media indoctrination? or the fault ofgov't education indoctrination? or money equals speech? It occurs to me as I listened to healthcare blather on the radio today - what is healthcare? I really don't know? I think we the people think it means anything expensive at hospitals by doctors. What about eating, exercise, rest, food? We the people don't care - just gimme more. There seems to be zero DIY about what we the people mean when we speak healthcare. Okay, this needs a closing similar to banned, but omitted. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Treating people well always pays off. One a trip a couple years ago with my mother, who requires a wheelchair in airports, we went through Atlanta twice in a few days, and believe it or not the gate agent remembered us and the fact we were going to a wedding, asked how it went, etc. I suspect this is because I NEVER demand anything from gate agents, always ask, show up on time, travel with my mother instead of foisting her off on the airport staff, and always say thank you and please. She also moved us to bulkhead seats without being asked, and while I'm sure Delta does that for people with limited mobility as a matter of course, it was nice of her to do so. So far my worst experience has been grudging service (not when traveling with Mom) and even then I said thank you very much when I had to get a ticket changed due to a late flight. Mind you, I've never been late for boarding on an originating flight, don't whine and complain, and in general treat people like I would prefer to be treated. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Today's news conf: Yep; nobody monitoring airspeed and altitude before it was to late. Descent rate and throttles evidently set to AUTO, then airspeed and altitude evidently ignored. Wilton http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Ah, but I've done a bit of reading, and it's quite possible that the auto-throttle was not only disconnected by the flight mode required to get down to the proper glide path, but the auto-throttle WARNING is also deactivated (look up the FLCH trap on 777s). Result: no autothrottle, no warning when more thrust was needed. Only takes a few seconds to get too low and too slow, and 10 seconds to get full thrust and stop descent. Today's press conference indicated the co-pilot did alert the pilot to descending past glide slope and low airspeed, but by that time it was too late, hard to stop that particular aircraft from continuing to descend. The usual situation: a combination of events which if in isolation would not be a problem all occurring together. According to the web blog, SFO ATC is notorious for holding planes well above the glide path and then suddenly asking for a slam dunk approach which requires a steeper than normal descent to re-acquire the glide slope, and the ALPA has been complaining vigorously for a couple decades for them to quit doing that before they cause just this type of accident, or a runway over-run. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Taking the shift lever out isn't a trivial exercise in a Benz. Vastly easier from underneath, although a lift REALLY helps so you can get at the lever. You can press the bushing in with channel locks easy enough if you have room to use them, which you don't on jackstands. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
They are the only people who can help you. Most people do not understand that. --R On 7/9/13 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: I suspect this is because I NEVER demand anything from gate agents ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Oh Andrew....
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/07/09/cat-poop-parasite-is-dangerously-widespread/ --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!
Speak for yourself, I don't find myself easily swayed by the lying media. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/9/2013 5:07 PM, Mountain Man wrote: We the people don't care. We the people don't care about our body - just gimme healthcare. We the people don't care about politics - just gimme more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Mission accomplished, a remarkably bright (for an Autozone employee) Autozone employee hooked me up with an H8 gold top Duralast ($5 more than the red top and 1000cca instead of 900). The H8 apparently replaces the group 49 and it even says so on the battery itself. Fit perfectly, does the job, no more alternator light... -Curt From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? That nicely matches my theory and fits with why it takes a minute or so for the light to go out. I've got another battery (which is now that I think of it around 8 years old) I was thinking of putting in but I guess I should just bite the bullet and put in a new one before this one eats the alternator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 16:13:59 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? Message-ID: CANTuLYjO73W3RdMPyvmeEK=a=V1Cj6oer9pq=qv0bbglu35...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you put a load tester on the old battery, I'm betting it will show it is no longer capable of holding full charge when under load. Max AC puts load on battery, battery discharge rate is greater than it's now able to intake and hold charge, Alt output from regulator increases to try to make up the shortage = Alt light comes on. Suggestion: Drop by your local FLAPS and ask them for a charging system check... most will do it free and are equipped to do so. Load test battery, and load test alternator with AC on engine running. [be ready for a new battery, I'm betting]. Good luck, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: I think we the people think it means anything expensive at hospitals by doctors. What about eating, exercise, rest, food? We the people don't care - just gimme more. There seems to be zero DIY about what we the people mean when we speak healthcare. Why take care of my heart, lungs, or liver if I can get a new one when I need it? Same mentality as I don't have time to take my car in for oil changes, I'll just trade it in before it needs a new engine. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] SFO 28R - The way it's supposed to be
A video clip for aviation buffs, past and present: commercial aviation today. Should be of particular interest to those following the recent crash at SFO. Resolution is good enough to justify going full screen. Scott http://www.wimp.com/approachlanding/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mantle pressure lanterns - was: SLS vid
Oooh an Alladin, tooney. I'd taken apart the fuel/air tube in the hopes I'd finally be able to match light the thing, I've always had to preheat with a propane torch. I think the gas tip had gotten dirty and so it didn't light right away and my torch melted the aluminum generator body. Oops... -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 22:25:10 -0500 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mantle pressure lanterns - was: SLS vid Message-ID: 20130708222510.6562f...@jasper.condray.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Rich wrote about SLS vid: ? ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haR2Q4JfWdc Fmiser wrote: Oh.? Not about Self Leveling Suspension Curt wrote: Thats what I thought too. BTW I managed to burn a hole through the generator in that *^%$! Mil-spec you traded me. ;) How'd you do that? Or is that a feature of those wonderful mil-spec lanterns? And is this where I'm supposed to apologize like the Nippons did for Rich? I'll not go that far, but I'm sorry it's giving you trouble. The 220F is still doing fine. It served in the front line for non-electric lighting until recently when I acquired a 228E and an Alladin 23. I did rebuild the generator on it - and managed to do that job without having to replace the mantels! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Well theres your problem, Southwest doesn't have first class at all... Famously doesn't as a matter of fact. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:02:04 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: 51dc25ec.8080...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Rich Thomas wrote: BA would regularly put me in first class no matter what my attire. OK, I was extrapolating one person's SWA experience and maybe it was specific to his personal situation. His daughter had him on her employee family plan so he had liberal standby privileges, or for a small fee he could book first class. He hated to wear his suit (he was a truck driver) but it was part of the dress code for employee travelers in first class. In fact, he'd rather not fly first class, but if his daughter was afraid the cheap seats would fill up with paying customers and bump him off the plane she'd book him in advance for first class which was never full. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d
But strangely not like John Quincy Adams. -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 16:09:57 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 Mercedes Benz 300 d Message-ID: CAC35L=s=34z25hyw-u8tchx42r5j6jtmyk_kdi-ebtuv1o-...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just like Quincy House at Hahvuhd. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Just so you know, that is pronounced Kwinzee --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
Attaboy. Good to know about group 49 replacement. On Tuesday, July 9, 2013, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mission accomplished, a remarkably bright (for an Autozone employee) Autozone employee hooked me up with an H8 gold top Duralast ($5 more than the red top and 1000cca instead of 900). The H8 apparently replaces the group 49 and it even says so on the battery itself. Fit perfectly, does the job, no more alternator light... -Curt From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? That nicely matches my theory and fits with why it takes a minute or so for the light to go out. I've got another battery (which is now that I think of it around 8 years old) I was thinking of putting in but I guess I should just bite the bullet and put in a new one before this one eats the alternator. -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 16:13:59 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? Message-ID: CANTuLYjO73W3RdMPyvmeEK=a=V1Cj6oer9pq=qv0bbglu35...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you put a load tester on the old battery, I'm betting it will show it is no longer capable of holding full charge when under load. Max AC puts load on battery, battery discharge rate is greater than it's now able to intake and hold charge, Alt output from regulator increases to try to make up the shortage = Alt light comes on. Suggestion: Drop by your local FLAPS and ask them for a charging system check... most will do it free and are equipped to do so. Load test battery, and load test alternator with AC on engine running. [be ready for a new battery, I'm betting]. Good luck, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry On 7/9/2013 6:53 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: Taking the shift lever out isn't a trivial exercise in a Benz. Vastly easier from underneath, although a lift REALLY helps so you can get at the lever. You can press the bushing in with channel locks easy enough if you have room to use them, which you don't on jackstands. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Thanks Don! ;-) Larry On 7/9/2013 6:47 PM, OK Don wrote: Even if you could do it from inside, I think it Thanks Don!would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?, or Departure Gate Asshats
Time: Good Friday morning Location: NWA gate counter, Boston's Logan Airport Weather: Clear, unlimited ceiling Destination: MKE via DTW Weather in DTW: Fog and low clouds This is scenario - inbound equipment has been stuck on the ground at DTW trying to take off to reach BOS. Delays are reaching into the hours. I, along with two other employees, are booked on the flight and myself and one of the others have been able to upgrade to first class. People are getting ugly. They want to get home for the Easter weekend. Tempers are flaring - we have all seen this if you travel regularly. Business type guy (and we are all dressed in business attire as well, suits and ties) walks up to the counter to ask the gate agent what the latest is. When she tells him he has a blowout, leaving her nearly in tears. He storms away. Now's my chance. I walk up to her and apologize for the asshat who just reamed her out. I told her that most of us business travelers are pretty laid back people, and that idiots like this guy make the rest of us look bad, and we all really appreciate what she does and understand the situation is not her fault. She thanks me graciously and I go back and sit down. Len, one of my fellow workers who is a former New Yorker, ask, Dan why did you do that? She gets crap like that all day from idiots like him! This is the East Coast!! Yeah, well, Lenny, you just watch and see how things play out... So maybe an hour later the equipment gets in and they get it turned around. Mike, the other employee with us who didn't have a platinum FF card, is the one relegated to coach. Right before they call boarding, I go up to the gate agent I spoke to previously. Hey, I know the flight is probably really full, but do you think there is any way you could get my co-worker upgraded so he could sit with us? He doesn't travel much, and it would be a big thrill for him to get to travel in first class. Let me see what I can do. I have to finish the manifest and then I'll look. Thank you. You really do a great job, you know. So they call for boarding for first class. Lenny and I go up and wait. The gate agent comes out and asks me the last name of my co-worker. I point it out in the manifest and she call him up. Score! Here's the best part: We get on the plane and get settled with our drinks. The first group of coach passengers come on, and here is Mr. Asshat, walking towards the back of the plane, complaining loudly the whole way to the back of the cabin. Serves you right, I'm thinking to myself... Just before they close the doors, the gate agent comes in and leans over to whisper something to me... I gave your friend the mean guy's seat in first class. I told him he got bumped! I show my boys this behavior every time I can. If you empathize and show true appreciation to people for what they do, they will almost alway go out of their way to help or reward you. When my boys were little and I was a stay at home Dad, they used to tell their Mom how I knew everyone when we went shopping. What they meant was that I always made a point of using someone's name when I spoke to them and did my best to engage them when we spoke. When people think you have sincere interest and appreciation, it often (not always) pays off. We refer to it as using your influencing skills. Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Treating people well always pays off. One a trip a couple years ago with my mother, who requires a wheelchair in airports, we went through Atlanta twice in a few days, and believe it or not the gate agent remembered us and the fact we were going to a wedding, asked how it went, etc. I suspect this is because I NEVER demand anything from gate agents, always ask, show up on time, travel with my mother instead of foisting her off on the airport staff, and always say thank you and please. She also moved us to bulkhead seats without being asked, and while I'm sure Delta does that for people with limited mobility as a matter of course, it was nice of her to do so. So far my worst experience has been grudging service (not when traveling with Mom) and even then I said thank you very much when I had to get a ticket changed due to a late flight. Mind you, I've never been late for boarding on an originating flight, don't whine and complain, and in general treat people like I would prefer to be treated. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
The service wasn't as good, but it was nice to be able to sleep lying down! D Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:53:57 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I got to literally sleep in a bed with inflight entertainment and plenty of food/drink all the way over. It was a wonderful flight. A little cramped, but still better than the business class seats. Sounds like it was even better than first class. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?, or Departure Gate Asshats
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?, or Departure Gate Asshats Time: Good Friday morning Location: NWA gate counter, Boston's Logan Airport Weather: Clear, unlimited ceiling Destination: MKE via DTW Weather in DTW: Fog and low clouds This is scenario - inbound equipment has been stuck on the ground at DTW trying to take off to reach BOS. Delays are reaching into the hours. I, along with two other employees, are booked on the flight and myself and one of the others have been able to upgrade to first class. People are getting ugly. They want to get home for the Easter weekend. Tempers are flaring - we have all seen this if you travel regularly. Business type guy (and we are all dressed in business attire as well, suits and ties) walks up to the counter to ask the gate agent what the latest is. When she tells him he has a blowout, leaving her nearly in tears. He storms away. Now's my chance. I walk up to her and apologize for the asshat who just reamed her out. I told her that most of us business travelers are pretty laid back people, and that idiots like this guy make the rest of us look bad, and we all really appreciate what she does and understand the situation is not her fault. She thanks me graciously and I go back and sit down. Len, one of my fellow workers who is a former New Yorker, ask, Dan why did you do that? She gets crap like that all day from idiots like him! This is the East Coast!! Yeah, well, Lenny, you just watch and see how things play out... So maybe an hour later the equipment gets in and they get it turned around. Mike, the other employee with us who didn't have a platinum FF card, is the one relegated to coach. Right before they call boarding, I go up to the gate agent I spoke to previously. Hey, I know the flight is probably really full, but do you think there is any way you could get my co-worker upgraded so he could sit with us? He doesn't travel much, and it would be a big thrill for him to get to travel in first class. Let me see what I can do. I have to finish the manifest and then I'll look. Thank you. You really do a great job, you know. So they call for boarding for first class. Lenny and I go up and wait. The gate agent comes out and asks me the last name of my co-worker. I point it out in the manifest and she call him up. Score! Here's the best part: We get on the plane and get settled with our drinks. The first group of coach passengers come on, and here is Mr. Asshat, walking towards the back of the plane, complaining loudly the whole way to the back of the cabin. Serves you right, I'm thinking to myself... Just before they close the doors, the gate agent comes in and leans over to whisper something to me... I gave your friend the mean guy's seat in first class. I told him he got bumped! I show my boys this behavior every time I can. If you empathize and show true appreciation to people for what they do, they will almost alway go out of their way to help or reward you. When my boys were little and I was a stay at home Dad, they used to tell their Mom how I knew everyone when we went shopping. What they meant was that I always made a point of using someone's name when I spoke to them and did my best to engage them when we spoke. When people think you have sincere interest and appreciation, it often (not always) pays off. We refer to it as using your influencing skills. Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Treating people well always pays off. One a trip a couple years ago with my mother, who requires a wheelchair in airports, we went through Atlanta twice in a few days, and believe it or not the gate agent remembered us and the fact we were going to a wedding, asked how it went, etc. I suspect this is because I NEVER demand anything from gate agents, always ask, show up on time, travel with my mother instead of foisting her off on the airport staff, and always say thank you and please. She also moved us to bulkhead seats without being asked, and while I'm sure Delta does that for people with limited mobility as a matter of course, it was nice of her to do so. So far my worst experience has been grudging service (not when traveling with Mom) and even then I said thank you very much when I had to get a ticket changed due to a late flight. Mind you, I've never been late for boarding on an originating flight, don't whine and complain, and in general treat people like I would prefer to be treated. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
If you have 17 or 18 inch forearms and hands that are similar to a 5'2 woman, yes. It's fairly tight above and beside the trans, so I would plan for the tool. Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi) On 7/9/2013 7:12 PM, Larry T wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Very true -- On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
The nylon bushing has to be compressed significantly to get into the hole in the arm. I was not able to get them in with channel locks, though some have been able to. I found that a home-made tool, as described by Luther, works great! On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:12 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators?
I asked about a group 49 and then ranted a little when the nearest one was 20 miles away. I mentioned they didn't have M1 5w40 again and he looked kind of lost until I mentioned its Turbo Diesel Truck when he perked right up Oh yeah, we moved it! Indeed they had, over in the diesel oil area to the right of the main oil area they had gallon jugs of our beloved M1 5w40 for $29.99 which while its not as good as the 5qt price at el-mercado de wall still isn't all that bad. It was on the way back to the register that he remembered about the H8. -Curt Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 20:12:53 -0400 From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC and alternators? Message-ID: cah-alp_nxngndbnxp+f6tegkejoj288tf_5hs+eo_5y5rrd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Attaboy. Good to know about group 49 replacement. On Tuesday, July 9, 2013, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mission accomplished, a remarkably bright (for an Autozone employee) Autozone employee hooked me up with an H8 gold top Duralast ($5 more than the red top and 1000cca instead of 900). The H8 apparently replaces the group 49 and it even says so on the battery itself. Fit perfectly, does the job, no more alternator light... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Well theres your problem, Southwest doesn't have first class at all... Famously doesn't as a matter of fact. Nor, famously, maintenance crews that can read the English repair instructions for their planes. I won't fly SWA, ever, mostly for that reason but also for the cattle call boarding system. Flying is unpleasant enough without the latter. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
WILTON wrote: Today's news conf: Yep; nobody monitoring airspeed and altitude before it was to late. Descent rate and throttles evidently set to AUTO, then airspeed and altitude evidently ignored. When descent rate and throttles (misnomer for turbines, but whatever) were set to auto, were they follow the non-existent glide path stuff? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Below Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:19 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: I need to replace subject bushing - can I do it fro above by removing the gear shift surround or must I work from below?? any idea what section of the WSM I'd find this is? Thx Larryt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] scratch wizard
Frosch had some pretty deep scratch marks due to the idiot children. I looked around for a viable repair solution. Body shop came back with $3000. I am not ready to drop that cash, or to look at Maaco for a crap paint. I looked at DR paint crap, but that did not seem to be able to fill the depth of the marks. The other option was Scratch Wizard. It seems to use a glaze to fill the gouge, presenting a more even surface for paint. For the cost, I figured the wizard would be a better start. I was not overly impressed with my abilities using the glaze, but it did fill the holes. A little over well. You need to use a solvent to wipe it down, removing the excess, and hopefully not sucking out from the gouge. The paint is custom mix and you get to use a wee tiny brush to fill the marks. I am not a quality artist and it got messy. I did five coats by poking tiny dots of color into the scratch. It looks really bad. It looks lumpy, so I am thinking I should use 3000 grit to blend it then clear coat. Color is no match. Well, if I did a full repaint, it would be perfect match to factory new, but this is a 40 year old car, so it is much too dark and stands out. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path?
Really? At one point I few SWA a lot and I kind of like them. My top 3 in decreasing order are: #1. Virgin America - Can't be beat for ticketing, waiting area treatment, nice staff, clean and well maintained planes and on time. TV is a plus but not as good as: #2. Jet Blue - Slightly surly staff but a better TV selection than Virgin #3. Southwest - Without a doubt the friendliest inflight staff, good on times and love it or hate it the cattle call gets the plane loaded faster than any other airline. -Curt 40,000 miles last year without ever leaving the country or going to the pacific northwest... Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 18:22:18 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cause of Frisco crash: Poor piloting plus no glide path? Message-ID: CABHyH=YupEyrd18CSKRMbvLwi5UuTGRnpo3Q23z8mikug=0...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Well theres your problem, Southwest doesn't have first class at all... Famously doesn't as a matter of fact. Nor, famously, maintenance crews that can read the English repair instructions for their planes. I won't fly SWA, ever, mostly for that reason but also for the cattle call boarding system. Flying is unpleasant enough without the latter. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Why is that? I have never had to do that, I always do them from the bottom Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Bummer! ;-) Thanks - Larry -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mantle pressure lanterns - was: SLS vid
Curt wrote: Oooh an Alladin, tooney. I'd taken apart the fuel/air tube in the hopes I'd finally be able to match light the thing, I've always had to preheat with a propane torch. I think the gas tip had gotten dirty and so it didn't light right away and my torch melted the aluminum generator body. Oops... Ahh. So it didn't happen during operation. *smiles* The alladin is nice in that it needs no pumping and runs on lamp oil, kerosine [paraffin], or even diesel if necessary. It's not quite as bright as the 228E with the Peerless mantel, though. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
Larry wrote: Hi Peter -- Would you say it is impossible to force the bushings into the lever with my hand? Is it a not enough silicone in the world situation? If it's like the W123, it requires a hardy squeeze with the pliers, so I don't think an average fellow could do it with just hands. I know a bull of a farmer who might - but he's one of those folks who doesn't bother with a vise or a torch to bend metal bars... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
That Viton is stiff enough it would be VERY difficult to insert by hand. Easy enough with pliers or channel-locks with a bit of silicone grease, but I doubt an ordinary mortal could get them in with fingers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Computer Problem OT
Hi Gang, I'm posting this in the hope it prevents others from having a problemlike I did. My Acer laptop was fine but one morning I found I could not connect to wifi or ethernetand the sound card was dead also. I worked on it for 2 days trying to get things started. I finally decided the network card was bad as well as the sound card. I bought a new laptop. The new laptop had been fine for a couple of months when I decided to uninstall some unwanted toolbars and other software. After rebooting I found my internet card and sound card were both not working. Again, I worked on it for a day before I checked the Component Services in the Control panel\administrator services. I found all the services had been disabled, well Duh, no matter stuff stopped working! I went through each line item (about 60) and changed almost all to Automatic. reboot and Bingo - everything works again! I needed another laptop anyway because the one I had been using (the 1st with the problem) because it is a small frame laptop and I have trouble typing quickly on it. Anyway, I am telling on myself that I did not do all the trouble shooting I could on the 1st computer before deciding it had bad cards. When the 2nd had the same problem it was too much of a coincidence. I suspect the makers of some software that prefer not to be un-installed decided to do damage when they are un-installed! What a chicken thing to do! Anyway - watch yourself... LarryT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Oh Andrew....
Somewhat interesting but half baked and ultimately unsaisfying article. There was no mention of composting cat litter or whether indoor-only cats can contract the organism. Keep trying. On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: http://www.foxnews.com/health/**2013/07/09/cat-poop-parasite-** is-dangerously-widespread/http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/07/09/cat-poop-parasite-is-dangerously-widespread/ --R __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Computer Problem OT
On Jul 9, 2013, at 10:01 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: The new laptop had been fine for a couple of months when I decided to uninstall some unwanted toolbars and other software. http://www.komando.com/tips/index.aspx?id=13304utm_medium=nlutm_source=totdutm_content=2013-07-09-article-1-end-b Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124
There is a link that connects the bottom of the shifter to a lever of the transmission and there are plastic grommets at both ends (in the shifter and in the lever on the transmission. Those grommets are the subject of most of this discussion and they are easiest to do from beneath the car. The hard part (other than getting dirt in the face) is pressing the new grommet in the hole and not losing the spring clips. But there are another pair of plastic bushings on the trunions that allow the fore-aft motion of the shifter and these can wear out too (they did in my 79 300TD with 350K miles). These bushings need to be replaced from above after removing the console and the shifter. This wasn't a bad job in my 123 model (console removal was harder my 126 model). If you need to remove the shifter from above to do the trunion bushings it's little additional work to replace the grommet too, which is much easier with the shifter out of the car. When the grommets are bad I heard/felt a buzzing at the shifter (metal on metal). When the trunion bushings were bad the shifter felt sloppy. Even with all those miles, my old TD felt very tight and crisp with the new bushings and grommets. Scott --- Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Why is that? I have never had to do that, I always do them from the bottom Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2013, at 7:49 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: I agree if you are only replacing the grommets under the car. But if you also need to replace the bushings for the fore-aft pivot of the shifter you have to open it up from the top anyway. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing the Gearshift Lever Bushing 91 300D 2.5T S124 Even if you could do it from inside, I think it would be easier from under the car - no seats, steering wheels, etc. in the way. They are at or near the bottom of the tranny level, on the (cars) left side - just jack up the port side, and have at it. The job is too simple to need the WSM :-) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Homemade Trans fluid/acetone penetrant
By way of background, this past weekend I replaced a starting-to-bulge front brake hose on my 240 (Volvo, not Mercedes). I then decided to replace the other one, but in the process of trying to remove the old one, I stripped the edges of the braked line fitting that goes into the hose (rounded the edges), even though I was using the proper flare nut tool. With You Tube as my source of education, I found suggestions such as using a vice grip, heating the fitting with a torch until it glows, or using a penetrating solvent. Apparently this fitting is made of brass. Deciding that a torch in this area is too dangerous, I will opt for the solvent. I hear PB Blaster being recommended, but I prefer to use what I have at hand. Hence my questions about using one of the recommendations I recall from this forum - the use of a 50/50 mixture of transmission fluid and acetone: 1. Is this mixture superior to Liquid Wrench? 2. If I prepare a mixture, will it have a shelf life, or will the acetone evaporate soon or over time? 3. What sort of device is recommended for applying it? A regular spout oil can ? 4. Will this or any other penetrant really get between the threads and loosen up the bond? 5. If I ever get this apart, what sort of lubricant would be recommended in this delicate area when the steel brake line fitting is reattached to the new brake hose? 6. Will tapping the metal end of the brake hose help loosen it up? Jerry 82 240D Mercedes __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 8547 (20130709) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject) ML320
On Jul 5, 2013 6:56 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: I take it you are thinking about a ML320? If you are, don't, better off to go for a later one. OK Don is happy with his. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
