Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
Trained German saboteurs landed from a sub whose mission went awry; American draft dodgers of German ancestry; captured German soldiers (North Africa?) who had walked off from farms where they had been placed as laborers (many prisoners on farms throughout the country); etc. To a ten year old NC farm boy, their command of english would be the only key. Under any circumstance, it's difficult to understand why they would question you about speaking German when they could have done so when they were alone and avoided the risk of your telling your father that they spoke German. German-American farmers along the Ohio River in Indiana, and similar parts of the midwest in general, used many prisoners who were German farm boys before the war and often treated them like sons. This led to newspaper articles in local newspapers complaining about the prisoners good treatment. Gerry *** On 7/20/2014 11:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Not a Sondy Tale, but a tale, nonetheless: TWO STRANGERS By Wilton Strickland In 1944, when I was 10, we lived on a tobacco farm in rural Eastern North Carolina. One Saturday afternoon in early summer, my brother, Carson, then nearly 18 and driving the car, Daddy and I were returning home after grocery shopping in Spring Hope, a small town about 5 miles east. We came upon two young men in their early twenties, standing by the road trying to hitch a ride. We stopped for them, and they got into the back seat of our '37 Ford with me. They were thin, dirty unshaven and had no luggage or baggage - no package of any sort that I remember. They said that they had not had a meal in several days and had been eating green, raw corn from the fields by the road. They told us that they were from New Jersey and just bumming around the country on an adventure. Because tobacco harvest time was just beginning, and labor was in short supply, Daddy made a deal with them to stay with us for the summer and help with the harvest. They had never been on a farm before, but they learned quickly, seeming to enjoy all of it, especially when I would let them drive the mules pulling the small tobacco trucks back and forth from the fields to the curing barn. At times, however, they wanted the mules to go too fast for our safety and the animals' good health. Once, when one of them was driving the mule pulling an empty tobacco trunk along the side of the busy, paved highway, and I was in the truck with him, he was making the mule run. Suddenly, the mule bolted onto the pavement in front of an approaching Trailways bus! The bus driver and I stared into each other's terrified eyes as the bus skidded toward us and stopped close enough for me to reach out and touch the front of it. (Every day I've had since that day has been a bonus.) The visitors and I soon became good friends and were often alone - just the three of us. Almost every time we were alone, one of them would ask me if I spoke German, sometimes pressing me with, Are you sure you don't speak German? Of course, I, a ten-year-old farm boy in Eastern North Carolina in 1944, did not speak German. After being assured each time that I did not speak German, they would go into a private lengthy conversation in German. Until a few years ago, I had never told anybody else in the family about these conversations in German and their insistence that I not be able to understand them. They never spoke German around others in the family, and I was too young and naïve to suspect anything other than what they had told us, but I now feel certain that the two young men were, indeed, German. The two visitors were with us for six or eight weeks until Daddy began to suspect that he may have been harboring draft dodgers and asked them to leave. They left our lives as suddenly as they had entered. Meanwhile, they had become part of our family - ate with us, slept in our house, wore my brothers' clothes, etc. - a relaxed comfortable part of the family. Though they became such a part of the family for that short time, I do not remember their names; I vaguely remember that one was blond and the other darker. Years later, after I had studied a couple of semesters of German in college in 1953/54, and learned that there had been German prisoner-of-war camps in Eastern North Carolina only 25 miles or so from us and German ships/submarines had been sunk just off the coast, I realized that these two were most likely escaped German prisoners of war or even survivors from a sunken German ship. There were times many years ago, while watching a movie with German speakers or someone speaking English with a German accent, when I would feel that I had heard certain sounds and accent before, finally realizing and remembering that I had heard them in 1944 from our two visitors. How ironic that these two lived with us in friendship while two of my brothers were at war
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
Their English was so good they could pass for natives? That fact alone seems quite significant to me. Spies? You should call that PBS show, History Detectives, maybe they will make a show about it. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
Very interesting story. So how big was this farm you lived on? What happened to the farm? Is it now a housing addition or shopping center? I bet out there somewhere your visitors have told their family the story also, maybe one day they will see this online somewhere and connect the dots. On 7/20/2014 10:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Not a Sondy Tale, but a tale, nonetheless: TWO STRANGERS By Wilton Strickland In 1944, when I was 10, we lived on a tobacco farm in rural Eastern North Carolina. One Saturday afternoon in early summer, my brother, Carson, then nearly 18 and driving the car, Daddy and I were returning home after grocery shopping in Spring Hope, a small town about 5 miles east. We came upon two young men in their early twenties, standing by the road trying to hitch a ride. We stopped for them, and they got into the back seat of our '37 Ford with me. They were thin, dirty unshaven and had no luggage or baggage - no package of any sort that I remember. They said that they had not had a meal in several days and had been eating green, raw corn from the fields by the road. They told us that they were from New Jersey and just bumming around the country on an adventure. Because tobacco harvest time was just beginning, and labor was in short supply, Daddy made a deal with them to stay with us for the summer and help with the harvest. They had never been on a farm before, but they learned quickly, seeming to enjoy all of it, especially when I would let them drive the mules pulling the small tobacco trucks back and forth from the fields to the curing barn. At times, however, they wanted the mules to go too fast for our safety and the animals' good health. Once, when one of them was driving the mule pulling an empty tobacco trunk along the side of the busy, paved highway, and I was in the truck with him, he was making the mule run. Suddenly, the mule bolted onto the pavement in front of an approaching Trailways bus! The bus driver and I stared into each other's terrified eyes as the bus skidded toward us and stopped close enough for me to reach out and touch the front of it. (Every day I've had since that day has been a bonus.) The visitors and I soon became good friends and were often alone - just the three of us. Almost every time we were alone, one of them would ask me if I spoke German, sometimes pressing me with, Are you sure you don't speak German? Of course, I, a ten-year-old farm boy in Eastern North Carolina in 1944, did not speak German. After being assured each time that I did not speak German, they would go into a private lengthy conversation in German. Until a few years ago, I had never told anybody else in the family about these conversations in German and their insistence that I not be able to understand them. They never spoke German around others in the family, and I was too young and naïve to suspect anything other than what they had told us, but I now feel certain that the two young men were, indeed, German. The two visitors were with us for six or eight weeks until Daddy began to suspect that he may have been harboring draft dodgers and asked them to leave. They left our lives as suddenly as they had entered. Meanwhile, they had become part of our family - ate with us, slept in our house, wore my brothers' clothes, etc. - a relaxed comfortable part of the family. Though they became such a part of the family for that short time, I do not remember their names; I vaguely remember that one was blond and the other darker. Years later, after I had studied a couple of semesters of German in college in 1953/54, and learned that there had been German prisoner-of-war camps in Eastern North Carolina only 25 miles or so from us and German ships/submarines had been sunk just off the coast, I realized that these two were most likely escaped German prisoners of war or even survivors from a sunken German ship. There were times many years ago, while watching a movie with German speakers or someone speaking English with a German accent, when I would feel that I had heard certain sounds and accent before, finally realizing and remembering that I had heard them in 1944 from our two visitors. How ironic that these two lived with us in friendship while two of my brothers were at war trying to rid the world of their maniacal leader and his thugs - one of my brothers was on Omaha Beach in Normandy at the same time the visitors were living with us. Later that year, Carson, who slept in the same room with the visitors as brothers, was drafted into the army and fought in Germany the following spring. At the same time I had such a fear and hatred of Germans (because of the talk of war, news on the radio, in the papers, the enemy, etc.), these two kind, young German men lived with us and were my good friends. For years, I have wondered what happened to the two visitors. Who were they, really, and
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
That is a good idea On 7/21/2014 3:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Their English was so good they could pass for natives? That fact alone seems quite significant to me. Spies? You should call that PBS show, History Detectives, maybe they will make a show about it. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7894 - Release Date: 07/21/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
Only 50 acres, or so. On Google Earth now, it looks like most of it is covered in timber/trees. We were there as tenant farmers (share croppers) for only one year. Daddy retired (well, quit, anyway) from farming at the end of '45; he was 67 years old by then and most of his work force (the children), except my sister and me, had left - 2 in Navy, one in Army. I stayed with oldest brother summers of '46, '47, '48 to help him with farm work and worked on other nearby farms to help with tobacco harvest summers of '49, 50, '51. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers Very interesting story. So how big was this farm you lived on? What happened to the farm? Is it now a housing addition or shopping center? I bet out there somewhere your visitors have told their family the story also, maybe one day they will see this online somewhere and connect the dots. On 7/20/2014 10:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Not a Sondy Tale, but a tale, nonetheless: TWO STRANGERS By Wilton Strickland In 1944, when I was 10, we lived on a tobacco farm in rural Eastern North Carolina. One Saturday afternoon in early summer, my brother, Carson, then nearly 18 and driving the car, Daddy and I were returning home after grocery shopping in Spring Hope, a small town about 5 miles east. We came upon two young men in their early twenties, standing by the road trying to hitch a ride. We stopped for them, and they got into the back seat of our '37 Ford with me. They were thin, dirty unshaven and had no luggage or baggage - no package of any sort that I remember. They said that they had not had a meal in several days and had been eating green, raw corn from the fields by the road. They told us that they were from New Jersey and just bumming around the country on an adventure. Because tobacco harvest time was just beginning, and labor was in short supply, Daddy made a deal with them to stay with us for the summer and help with the harvest. They had never been on a farm before, but they learned quickly, seeming to enjoy all of it, especially when I would let them drive the mules pulling the small tobacco trucks back and forth from the fields to the curing barn. At times, however, they wanted the mules to go too fast for our safety and the animals' good health. Once, when one of them was driving the mule pulling an empty tobacco trunk along the side of the busy, paved highway, and I was in the truck with him, he was making the mule run. Suddenly, the mule bolted onto the pavement in front of an approaching Trailways bus! The bus driver and I stared into each other's terrified eyes as the bus skidded toward us and stopped close enough for me to reach out and touch the front of it. (Every day I've had since that day has been a bonus.) The visitors and I soon became good friends and were often alone - just the three of us. Almost every time we were alone, one of them would ask me if I spoke German, sometimes pressing me with, Are you sure you don't speak German? Of course, I, a ten-year-old farm boy in Eastern North Carolina in 1944, did not speak German. After being assured each time that I did not speak German, they would go into a private lengthy conversation in German. Until a few years ago, I had never told anybody else in the family about these conversations in German and their insistence that I not be able to understand them. They never spoke German around others in the family, and I was too young and naïve to suspect anything other than what they had told us, but I now feel certain that the two young men were, indeed, German. The two visitors were with us for six or eight weeks until Daddy began to suspect that he may have been harboring draft dodgers and asked them to leave. They left our lives as suddenly as they had entered. Meanwhile, they had become part of our family - ate with us, slept in our house, wore my brothers' clothes, etc. - a relaxed comfortable part of the family. Though they became such a part of the family for that short time, I do not remember their names; I vaguely remember that one was blond and the other darker. Years later, after I had studied a couple of semesters of German in college in 1953/54, and learned that there had been German prisoner-of-war camps in Eastern North Carolina only 25 miles or so from us and German ships/submarines had been sunk just off the coast, I realized that these two were most likely escaped German prisoners of war or even survivors from a sunken German ship. There were times many years ago, while watching a movie with German speakers or someone speaking English with a German accent, when I would feel that I had heard certain sounds and accent before, finally realizing and remembering that I had heard them
Re: [MBZ] OT iPhone battery cost?
I bought: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CHJ3UU4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s00?ie=UTF8psc=1 and used the instructions: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+4S+Display+Assembly+Replacement/7277 and it worked out no problem. The hardest part was getting the cables all in correctly which I'd actually done right the first time but didn't believe I'd done right... The home button has to be transferred over which is kind of fiddly. I ruined its adhesive but substituted a very small drop of super glue which worked fine. Keep the screws organized... -Curt From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT iPhone battery cost? My daughter cracked her screen a coupla weeks ago -- details on parts and repair plz? --R On 7/20/14 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: It's not really that bad, I did one a couple weeks ago. Took maybe 2 hours. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jul 20, 2014, at 11:08 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedesmercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've got a cracked screen on one of mine. I see the part is relatively inexpensive, but the RR is pretty involved. I've torn down iPods so I have all the tools, but looking at the extent of the tear down has convinced me that we'll live with the crack for now... Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Welding again
Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
Hahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
A great example of Yankee frugality. On Jul 21, 2014 1:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
Its good welding practice too, a light touch is required. From: Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again A great example of Yankee frugality. On Jul 21, 2014 1:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Hahahahahaha Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
'Just checked History Detectives site - Not accepting submissions right now. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers That is a good idea On 7/21/2014 3:15 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Their English was so good they could pass for natives? That fact alone seems quite significant to me. Spies? You should call that PBS show, History Detectives, maybe they will make a show about it. Max Dillon, Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4716 / Virus Database: 3986/7894 - Release Date: 07/21/14 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] if any of you is steven who contacted me from an alabama phone number on saturday
about a fan clutch for a 190D, please do speak now on how i might contact you -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
Y'all old retired guys ought to make this a project to figure it out. Check with the military, who probably ran the POW camps and farm programs, see if there are any records of who was in the area, who absconded, etc. and you could probably track down their identities and what if anything ever happened to them. I vaguely recall from somewhere that a lot of these guys ended up staying in the US because they liked it here, and things were pretty bad back home after the war. They might still be around, or have family or something. google: german pow camps us world war 2 german pow camps north carolina world war 2 german pow camps north carolina world war 2 escape http://ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows Though there were a total of twenty-nine escape attempts from North Carolina POW camps, only one was “successful.” In 1959 Kurt Rossmeisl—a Camp Butner escapee from the war years—turned himself in to the FBI in Cincinnati. By the spring of 1946, the final POWs had left North Carolina and American shores. More than half of them spent another year or two as prisoners in England or France, helping to restore those war-torn countries. But many former POWs returned to their native countries with good feelings toward America. Over the last several decades, the author of this article has talked with many former German POWs who spent time in North Carolina and other states, meeting only a handful with negative feelings about their time in America. They generally were treated well and met with inherent friendliness from their guards and civilian agricultural employers. Since the end of the war, many POWs, including Max Reiter, have visited North Carolina and been well received. Read the comments on this article Of the tens of thousands of POWs in the United States during World War II, only 2,222, less than 1 percent, tried to escape, and most were quickly rounded up. By 1946, all prisoners had been returned to their home countries. --R On 7/21/14 2:15 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Trained German saboteurs landed from a sub whose mission went awry; American draft dodgers of German ancestry; captured German soldiers (North Africa?) who had walked off from farms where they had been placed as laborers (many prisoners on farms throughout the country); etc. To a ten year old NC farm boy, their command of english would be the only key. Under any circumstance, it's difficult to understand why they would question you about speaking German when they could have done so when they were alone and avoided the risk of your telling your father that they spoke German. German-American farmers along the Ohio River in Indiana, and similar parts of the midwest in general, used many prisoners who were German farm boys before the war and often treated them like sons. This led to newspaper articles in local newspapers complaining about the prisoners good treatment. Gerry *** On 7/20/2014 11:43 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Not a Sondy Tale, but a tale, nonetheless: TWO STRANGERS By Wilton Strickland In 1944, when I was 10, we lived on a tobacco farm in rural Eastern North Carolina. One Saturday afternoon in early summer, my brother, Carson, then nearly 18 and driving the car, Daddy and I were returning home after grocery shopping in Spring Hope, a small town about 5 miles east. We came upon two young men in their early twenties, standing by the road trying to hitch a ride. We stopped for them, and they got into the back seat of our '37 Ford with me. They were thin, dirty unshaven and had no luggage or baggage - no package of any sort that I remember. They said that they had not had a meal in several days and had been eating green, raw corn from the fields by the road. They told us that they were from New Jersey and just bumming around the country on an adventure. Because tobacco harvest time was just beginning, and labor was in short supply, Daddy made a deal with them to stay with us for the summer and help with the harvest. They had never been on a farm before, but they learned quickly, seeming to enjoy all of it, especially when I would let them drive the mules pulling the small tobacco trucks back and forth from the fields to the curing barn. At times, however, they wanted the mules to go too fast for our safety and the animals' good health. Once, when one of them was driving the mule pulling an empty tobacco trunk along the side of the busy, paved highway, and I was in the truck with him, he was making the mule run. Suddenly, the mule bolted onto the pavement in front of an approaching Trailways bus! The bus driver and I stared into each other's terrified eyes as the bus skidded toward us and stopped close enough for me to reach out and touch the front of it. (Every day I've had since that day has been a bonus.) The visitors and I soon became good friends and were often alone - just the three
Re: [MBZ] if any of you is steven who contacted me from an alabama phone number on saturday
Trent said he called him after you wouldn't answer the phone, got his CC number and everything --R On 7/21/14 2:08 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: about a fan clutch for a 190D, please do speak now on how i might contact you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] if any of you is steven who contacted me from an alabama phone number on saturday
that's why he's the crowd favorite and i can't sell this bunch even below cost On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Trent said he called him after you wouldn't answer the phone, got his CC number and everything --R On 7/21/14 2:08 PM, Gary Hurst via Mercedes wrote: about a fan clutch for a 190D, please do speak now on how i might contact you ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
I welded up a lot of VW exhaust systems back when I worked at the foreign car shop (working through school) for customers who wouldn't pay the $100 or so for a new exhaust system. Some of them were probably 30% welding rod by the time I finished. Welding (gas) rusted exhaust pipes/mufflers is a real art On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Its good welding practice too, a light touch is required. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
OK Don via Mercedes wrote: I welded up a lot of VW exhaust systems back when I worked at the foreign car shop (working through school) for customers who wouldn't pay the $100 or so for a new exhaust system. Some of them were probably 30% welding rod by the time I finished. Welding (gas) rusted exhaust pipes/mufflers is a real art Fast becoming an expensive art. Michigan Airgas or whatever its called these days wants more than a dollar a cubic foot for Acetylene refills. Figure on paying $90-100 depending on the exact fill for a 70-75 cubic foot tank. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
My father-in-law has always been reluctant to talk about his wartime service. This was due to the fact that he was a POW camp guard, and in his mind not a worthy contribution to the war effort. He's never really opened up about it at length, but we know that he guarded German prisoners at Camp Atterbury in south central Indiana, close to the town he grew up in, Ninevah, IN. What we do know is that many of the POWs were used as farm laborers and were well thought of by the locals. They welcomed the into their homes and became friends with many of them. From what we were told a number of them either remained in the area after the war or returned on their own to live in the area. There was a large German community in Indianapolis, so I am sure some might have headed that way. The area I grew up in on the south side of Indianapolis had a lot of first generation German immigrants who were farmers. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Y'all old retired guys ought to make this a project to figure it out. Check with the military, who probably ran the POW camps and farm programs, see if there are any records of who was in the area, who absconded, etc. and you could probably track down their identities and what if anything ever happened to them. I vaguely recall from somewhere that a lot of these guys ended up staying in the US because they liked it here, and things were pretty bad back home after the war. They might still be around, or have family or something. google: german pow camps us world war 2 german pow camps north carolina world war 2 german pow camps north carolina world war 2 escape http://ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows Though there were a total of twenty-nine escape attempts from North Carolina POW camps, only one was “successful.” In 1959 Kurt Rossmeisl—a Camp Butner escapee from the war years—turned himself in to the FBI in Cincinnati. By the spring of 1946, the final POWs had left North Carolina and American shores. More than half of them spent another year or two as prisoners in England or France, helping to restore those war-torn countries. But many former POWs returned to their native countries with good feelings toward America. Over the last several decades, the author of this article has talked with many former German POWs who spent time in North Carolina and other states, meeting only a handful with negative feelings about their time in America. They generally were treated well and met with inherent friendliness from their guards and civilian agricultural employers. Since the end of the war, many POWs, including Max Reiter, have visited North Carolina and been well received. Read the comments on this article Of the tens of thousands of POWs in the United States during World War II, only 2,222, less than 1 percent, tried to escape, and most were quickly rounded up. By 1946, all prisoners had been returned to their home countries. --R On 7/21/14 2:15 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Trained German saboteurs landed from a sub whose mission went awry; American draft dodgers of German ancestry; captured German soldiers (North Africa?) who had walked off from farms where they had been pla ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
I certainly hope that your FIL has been reassured by now that any
contribution to the war effort was very worthy and necessary. I commend him
for being able to do it - not a fun job and potentially very dangerous. We
were all in it together. Even our (the children's) efforts to gather scrap
metal and buy War Bonds one ten-cent stamp at a time were worthy. ('Have
one of the stamp books here in my desk with $7.00 accumulated in it - wonder
what it's worth now.)
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
My father-in-law has always been reluctant to talk about his wartime
service. This was due to the fact that he was a POW camp guard, and in his
mind not a worthy contribution to the war effort.
He's never really opened up about it at length, but we know that he
guarded German prisoners at Camp Atterbury in south central Indiana, close
to the town he grew up in, Ninevah, IN.
What we do know is that many of the POWs were used as farm laborers and
were well thought of by the locals. They welcomed the into their homes and
became friends with many of them. From what we were told a number of them
either remained in the area after the war or returned on their own to live
in the area.
There was a large German community in Indianapolis, so I am sure some
might have headed that way. The area I grew up in on the south side of
Indianapolis had a lot of first generation German immigrants who were
farmers.
Dan
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Y'all old retired guys ought to make this a project to figure it out.
Check with the military, who probably ran the POW camps and farm
programs, see if there are any records of who was in the area, who
absconded, etc. and you could probably track down their identities and
what if anything ever happened to them. I vaguely recall from somewhere
that a lot of these guys ended up staying in the US because they liked it
here, and things were pretty bad back home after the war. They might
still be around, or have family or something.
google:
german pow camps us world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2 escape
http://ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows
Though there were a total of twenty-nine escape attempts from North
Carolina POW camps, only one was “successful.” In 1959 Kurt Rossmeisl—a
Camp Butner escapee from the war years—turned himself in to the FBI in
Cincinnati.
By the spring of 1946, the final POWs had left North Carolina and
American shores. More than half of them spent another year or two as
prisoners in England or France, helping to restore those war-torn
countries. But many former POWs returned to their native countries with
good feelings toward America. Over the last several decades, the author
of this article has talked with many former German POWs who spent time in
North Carolina and other states, meeting only a handful with negative
feelings about their time in America. They generally were treated well
and met with inherent friendliness from their guards and civilian
agricultural employers. Since the end of the war, many POWs, including
Max Reiter, have visited North Carolina and been well received.
Read the comments on this article
Of the tens of thousands of POWs in the United States during World War
II, only 2,222, less than 1 percent, tried to escape, and most were
quickly rounded up. By 1946, all prisoners had been returned to their
home countries.
--R
On 7/21/14 2:15 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Trained German saboteurs landed from a sub whose mission went awry;
American draft dodgers of German ancestry; captured German soldiers
(North Africa?) who had walked off from farms where they had been pla
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Re: [MBZ] Welding again
Why not just straight pipe the front? -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jul 21, 2014, at 13:06, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. He replaced the fuel pump and filter and put fresh fuel in the tank. Fuel pump builds up pressure and turns off. Car will start and idle, but when you attempt to drive (load) the engine, it dies. He thinks the fuel strainer may be clogged up, but isn't interested in putting any more time into it. He says the hose from the strainer to the pump looks a little rough, and he's wondering if there might be some air leaks there. He got the car from the original owner either for free or very little from what I can tell, so it has just been a project to tinker with. He doesn't know MBs and seems obsessed about the original owner paying more than $60,000 for it new in 1984!! This does not seem to be an effort to pump up the price, just some sort of awe that a car would have cost that much in the day. I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Maybe the hose is all buggered and is collapsing when fuel is pumped through it (here I am assuming the pump is sucking it from the tank) or has crap in it from sitting so long. The filter aspect would also be a good place to start. How hard would it be to get a mity-vac on a fuel line and see if you can pump some (sucking?) from the tank? Take along some generic fuel line, run it from the tank vicinity to the fuel pump and see if you can bypass the line? It most definitely sounds like a fuel starvation issue of some sort. I had a lawnmower do that, ended up cleaning the whole fuel system and carb to get it to run right. I wonder too if the tank has gotten rusty from sitting in a humid environment, using crap ethanol fuel, etc. and that has clogged the filter? --R (no expert on Benz vergassers) On 7/21/14 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. He replaced the fuel pump and filter and put fresh fuel in the tank. Fuel pump builds up pressure and turns off. Car will start and idle, but when you attempt to drive (load) the engine, it dies. He thinks the fuel strainer may be clogged up, but isn't interested in putting any more time into it. He says the hose from the strainer to the pump looks a little rough, and he's wondering if there might be some air leaks there. He got the car from the original owner either for free or very little from what I can tell, so it has just been a project to tinker with. He doesn't know MBs and seems obsessed about the original owner paying more than $60,000 for it new in 1984!! This does not seem to be an effort to pump up the price, just some sort of awe that a car would have cost that much in the day. I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
On 21/07/2014 5:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Maybe the hose is all buggered and is collapsing when fuel is pumped through it (here I am assuming the pump is sucking it from the tank) or has crap in it from sitting so long. The filter aspect would also be a good place to start. How hard would it be to get a mity-vac on a fuel line and see if you can pump some (sucking?) from the tank? Take along some generic fuel line, run it from the tank vicinity to the fuel pump and see if you can bypass the line? It most definitely sounds like a fuel starvation issue of some sort. I had a lawnmower do that, ended up cleaning the whole fuel system and carb to get it to run right. I wonder too if the tank has gotten rusty from sitting in a humid environment, using crap ethanol fuel, etc. and that has clogged the filter? --R (no expert on Benz vergassers) How cheap is this car? If it does not run right, offer low and buy it and haul it away before working on it. The willingness to sell it cheaply might dissolve if it appears that you know what is wrong with it. Remember that the vendor is stuck on the idea that it is a very expensive car. Sometimes one has to gamble a bit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
One other thought -- a jug of gas with a hose in it, pump some fuel from there? Here again I am assuming the fuel pump sucks the gas and is somewhere near the engine. Take your fire extinguisher. -R On 7/21/14 6:02 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Maybe the hose is all buggered and is collapsing when fuel is pumped through it (here I am assuming the pump is sucking it from the tank) or has crap in it from sitting so long. The filter aspect would also be a good place to start. How hard would it be to get a mity-vac on a fuel line and see if you can pump some (sucking?) from the tank? Take along some generic fuel line, run it from the tank vicinity to the fuel pump and see if you can bypass the line? It most definitely sounds like a fuel starvation issue of some sort. I had a lawnmower do that, ended up cleaning the whole fuel system and carb to get it to run right. I wonder too if the tank has gotten rusty from sitting in a humid environment, using crap ethanol fuel, etc. and that has clogged the filter? --R (no expert on Benz vergassers) On 7/21/14 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. He replaced the fuel pump and filter and put fresh fuel in the tank. Fuel pump builds up pressure and turns off. Car will start and idle, but when you attempt to drive (load) the engine, it dies. He thinks the fuel strainer may be clogged up, but isn't interested in putting any more time into it. He says the hose from the strainer to the pump looks a little rough, and he's wondering if there might be some air leaks there. He got the car from the original owner either for free or very little from what I can tell, so it has just been a project to tinker with. He doesn't know MBs and seems obsessed about the original owner paying more than $60,000 for it new in 1984!! This does not seem to be an effort to pump up the price, just some sort of awe that a car would have cost that much in the day. I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
He's asking $1200, but he's already inferred that he would take less. As I mentioned before, it's an older guy with time on his hands and he sounds like he got it from a neighbor who no longer drives for little or nothing. He's been tinkering with it in his shop for a couple of months (he just got back from a month's vacation up north) so he's grown tired of it. I figure if I can get it for $1000 I should be OK. Oh, yeah - full service records from the original owner and only around 60k on the clock. Hardly broke in. It's an hour away from me, so I would need to find a way to get it home. I have a buddy with a pickup truck I might be able to borrow and rent a tow dolly from UHaul Dan On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How cheap is this car? If it does not run right, offer low and buy it and haul it away before working on it. The willingness to sell it cheaply might dissolve if it appears that you know what is wrong with it. Remember that the vendor is stuck on the idea that it is a very expensive car. Sometimes one has to gamble a bit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Welding again
Way to go Curt! you weld like me ;-) LarryT On 7/21/2014 1:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: At this point its a game to see how long I can keep it going... Curt From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Welding again Sounds like it is about time to just replace the exhaust Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Found the exhaust pipe had split on my '84 190D again, this is the pipe from the exhaust manifold to the first muffler. I've repaired it twice already, this time the break was in a new spot. Somebody suggested I weld a piece of new exhaust pipe over the break and thats what I did. It made the repair a lot quicker. Of course I had to add a bunch of little pieces to fix holes I created trying to weld the thin metal. Overall one of my better welding jobs. I'm getting good at this, the whole job only took about 2 hours. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Fellow MB 126 gasser guy says when they sit it's the fuel distributor with EHA that goes bad. Was bad on my neighbor's 560SEL. Can test flow. Anyway just another scientific wild a. guess to add to others. On Jul 21, 2014 5:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. He replaced the fuel pump and filter and put fresh fuel in the tank. Fuel pump builds up pressure and turns off. Car will start and idle, but when you attempt to drive (load) the engine, it dies. He thinks the fuel strainer may be clogged up, but isn't interested in putting any more time into it. He says the hose from the strainer to the pump looks a little rough, and he's wondering if there might be some air leaks there. He got the car from the original owner either for free or very little from what I can tell, so it has just been a project to tinker with. He doesn't know MBs and seems obsessed about the original owner paying more than $60,000 for it new in 1984!! This does not seem to be an effort to pump up the price, just some sort of awe that a car would have cost that much in the day. I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Any simple tests I can perform to determine if this is the case? On the BW W126 forum a number of people have said that when they sit the tank gets crudded up with particulates smaller than what the stock filter can catch, and that ends up int eh fuel distributor among other places, causing problems. Some of them who have experienced this have been successful using a 10 micron spin-on filter ahead of the pump(s). Dan On Jul 21, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: Fellow MB 126 gasser guy says when they sit it's the fuel distributor with EHA that goes bad. Was bad on my neighbor's 560SEL. Can test flow. Anyway just another scientific wild a. guess to add to others.\ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Also, would this car have an overvoltage protection relay? I know later model CIS models did, not sure about this vintage. Dan On Jul 21, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Any simple tests I can perform to determine if this is the case? On the BW W126 forum a number of people have said that when they sit the tank gets crudded up with particulates smaller than what the stock filter can catch, and that ends up int eh fuel distributor among other places, causing problems. Some of them who have experienced this have been successful using a 10 micron spin-on filter ahead of the pump(s). Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
WILTON wrote: Can we all take this as a good example of how even mortal enemies can live in peace, harmony trust if we look at each other as fellow humans in need of comfort without all the usual baggage of politics and religion? I hope so. This certainly seems a better approach than the common continuing insistence these days that there are many radical islamists out there intending to burn the US to ashes. It occurs to me from bits of news that most of the world is controlled by oligarchs and no nation is sovereign. All nations are controlled by oligarchs, I suspect. And even the oligarchs are just people who take their pants off one leg at a time. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
Hertzing wrote: Don't forget we had two former governors on jail at the same time In Illinois we hope to capitalize on corruption by making it a tourist attraction Where do you live in Illinois? Maybe we can meet up sometime? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
Any rust? - as you know, that's your biggest enemy. Of course the price of old mb parts is no walk in the park either... LarryT On 7/21/2014 6:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: He's asking $1200, but he's already inferred that he would take less. As I mentioned before, it's an older guy with time on his hands and he sounds like he got it from a neighbor who no longer drives for little or nothing. He's been tinkering with it in his shop for a couple of months (he just got back from a month's vacation up north) so he's grown tired of it. I figure if I can get it for $1000 I should be OK. Oh, yeah - full service records from the original owner and only around 60k on the clock. Hardly broke in. It's an hour away from me, so I would need to find a way to get it home. I have a buddy with a pickup truck I might be able to borrow and rent a tow dolly from UHaul Dan On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How cheap is this car? If it does not run right, offer low and buy it and haul it away before working on it. The willingness to sell it cheaply might dissolve if it appears that you know what is wrong with it. Remember that the vendor is stuck on the idea that it is a very expensive car. Sometimes one has to gamble a bit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
I get the impression that political corruption in Ill. is more sport than anything else. ;-)Each regime tries to out-do the previous. the one who manages to steal the most money wins... I lived there once for about 5 months. the longest 5 months of my life LarryT On 7/21/2014 8:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Hertzing wrote: Don't forget we had two former governors on jail at the same time In Illinois we hope to capitalize on corruption by making it a tourist attraction Where do you live in Illinois? Maybe we can meet up sometime? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
I think a lot of it (for him) was cultural, in that the man of the house was
the breadwinner, the one in charge, the final authority, etc. I don't think
anyone around him ever criticized him for what he did (although it's remotely
possible someone might have at the time) but for whatever reason he did not
fight overseas, so it could very well be a self-imposed sort of thing that made
him feel somehow inadequate.
I can tell you that some bonds from that time period continue to earn interest
to this day - I had a great aunt who, upon her passing, we found bundles of
bonds, some war bonds, that were worth far beyond their face value at the time
(1970s) because the interest was continued to be paid until surrender.
Dan
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I certainly hope that your FIL has been reassured by now that any
contribution to the war effort was very worthy and necessary. I commend him
for being able to do it - not a fun job and potentially very dangerous. We
were all in it together. Even our (the children's) efforts to gather scrap
metal and buy War Bonds one ten-cent stamp at a time were worthy. ('Have one
of the stamp books here in my desk with $7.00 accumulated in it - wonder what
it's worth now.)
Wilton
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To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
My father-in-law has always been reluctant to talk about his wartime
service. This was due to the fact that he was a POW camp guard, and in his
mind not a worthy contribution to the war effort.
He's never really opened up about it at length, but we know that he guarded
German prisoners at Camp Atterbury in south central Indiana, close to the
town he grew up in, Ninevah, IN.
What we do know is that many of the POWs were used as farm laborers and were
well thought of by the locals. They welcomed the into their homes and became
friends with many of them. From what we were told a number of them either
remained in the area after the war or returned on their own to live in the
area.
There was a large German community in Indianapolis, so I am sure some might
have headed that way. The area I grew up in on the south side of
Indianapolis had a lot of first generation German immigrants who were
farmers.
Dan
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Y'all old retired guys ought to make this a project to figure it out. Check
with the military, who probably ran the POW camps and farm programs, see if
there are any records of who was in the area, who absconded, etc. and you
could probably track down their identities and what if anything ever
happened to them. I vaguely recall from somewhere that a lot of these guys
ended up staying in the US because they liked it here, and things were
pretty bad back home after the war. They might still be around, or have
family or something.
google:
german pow camps us world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2 escape
http://ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows
Though there were a total of twenty-nine escape attempts from North
Carolina POW camps, only one was “successful.” In 1959 Kurt Rossmeisl—a
Camp Butner escapee from the war years—turned himself in to the FBI in
Cincinnati.
By the spring of 1946, the final POWs had left North Carolina and American
shores. More than half of them spent another year or two as prisoners in
England or France, helping to restore those war-torn countries. But many
former POWs returned to their native countries with good feelings toward
America. Over the last several decades, the author of this article has
talked with many former German POWs who spent time in North Carolina and
other states, meeting only a handful with negative feelings about their
time in America. They generally were treated well and met with inherent
friendliness from their guards and civilian agricultural employers. Since
the end of the war, many POWs, including Max Reiter, have visited North
Carolina and been well received.
Read the comments on this article
Of the tens of thousands of POWs in the United States during World War II,
only 2,222, less than 1 percent, tried to escape, and most were quickly
rounded up. By 1946, all prisoners had been returned to their home
countries.
--R
On 7/21/14 2:15 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:
Trained German saboteurs landed from a sub whose mission went awry;
American draft dodgers of German ancestry; captured German soldiers (North
Africa?) who had walked off from farms where they had been pla
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Re: [MBZ] if any of you is steven who contacted me from an alabama phone number on saturday
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Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
I've driven through Illinois several times and have passed through O'Hare several times; even spent coupla nights in hotels nearby. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S. I get the impression that political corruption in Ill. is more sport than anything else. ;-)Each regime tries to out-do the previous. the one who manages to steal the most money wins... I lived there once for about 5 months. the longest 5 months of my life LarryT On 7/21/2014 8:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Hertzing wrote: Don't forget we had two former governors on jail at the same time In Illinois we hope to capitalize on corruption by making it a tourist attraction Where do you live in Illinois? Maybe we can meet up sometime? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S.
I flew out of Midway last time, the airport that's stuck in the 70s without an ounce of charm. Convenient to downtown but crowded and very tacky. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 10:29 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I've driven through Illinois several times and have passed through O'Hare several times; even spent coupla nights in hotels nearby. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: LarryT via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The 10 most corrupt states in the U.S. I get the impression that political corruption in Ill. is more sport than anything else. ;-)Each regime tries to out-do the previous. the one who manages to steal the most money wins... I lived there once for about 5 months. the longest 5 months of my life LarryT On 7/21/2014 8:31 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Hertzing wrote: Don't forget we had two former governors on jail at the same time In Illinois we hope to capitalize on corruption by making it a tourist attraction Where do you live in Illinois? Maybe we can meet up sometime? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
By the way, I think the toughest job to do that I saw during my 15+ years in
USAF Strategic Air Command (2½ years as maintenance crew chief on B-47's and
13 years standing nuclear alert with and flying B-52's) was done by the
security guard standing out in front of the airplane on alert - somebody was
there 24/7, Sat/Sun, holiday, hot, humid, cold, blizzard, rain, etc.; could
never even touch the airplane, much less blow the whistle or feel it come
alive, feel its power, feel it buffet in a high-speed steep turn to dodge
a missile or take it to 50,000 feet or over the North Pole and back.
The guard's job was not glamorous, but it was tough, extremely boring,
necessary and worthy. I had great respect for them.
Wilton
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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
I think a lot of it (for him) was cultural, in that the man of the house
was the breadwinner, the one in charge, the final authority, etc. I don't
think anyone around him ever criticized him for what he did (although it's
remotely possible someone might have at the time) but for whatever reason
he did not fight overseas, so it could very well be a self-imposed sort of
thing that made him feel somehow inadequate.
I can tell you that some bonds from that time period continue to earn
interest to this day - I had a great aunt who, upon her passing, we found
bundles of bonds, some war bonds, that were worth far beyond their face
value at the time (1970s) because the interest was continued to be paid
until surrender.
Dan
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 3:53 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I certainly hope that your FIL has been reassured by now that any
contribution to the war effort was very worthy and necessary. I commend
him for being able to do it - not a fun job and potentially very
dangerous. We were all in it together. Even our (the children's)
efforts to gather scrap metal and buy War Bonds one ten-cent stamp at a
time were worthy. ('Have one of the stamp books here in my desk with
$7.00 accumulated in it - wonder what it's worth now.)
Wilton
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To: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net; Mercedes
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Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Two Strangers
My father-in-law has always been reluctant to talk about his wartime
service. This was due to the fact that he was a POW camp guard, and in
his mind not a worthy contribution to the war effort.
He's never really opened up about it at length, but we know that he
guarded German prisoners at Camp Atterbury in south central Indiana,
close to the town he grew up in, Ninevah, IN.
What we do know is that many of the POWs were used as farm laborers and
were well thought of by the locals. They welcomed the into their homes
and became friends with many of them. From what we were told a number
of them either remained in the area after the war or returned on their
own to live in the area.
There was a large German community in Indianapolis, so I am sure some
might have headed that way. The area I grew up in on the south side of
Indianapolis had a lot of first generation German immigrants who were
farmers.
Dan
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On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Y'all old retired guys ought to make this a project to figure it out.
Check with the military, who probably ran the POW camps and farm
programs, see if there are any records of who was in the area, who
absconded, etc. and you could probably track down their identities and
what if anything ever happened to them. I vaguely recall from
somewhere that a lot of these guys ended up staying in the US because
they liked it here, and things were pretty bad back home after the war.
They might still be around, or have family or something.
google:
german pow camps us world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2
german pow camps north carolina world war 2 escape
http://ncpedia.org/history/20th-Century/wwii-pows
Though there were a total of twenty-nine escape attempts from North
Carolina POW camps, only one was “successful.” In 1959 Kurt Rossmeisl—a
Camp Butner escapee from the war years—turned himself in to the FBI in
Cincinnati.
By the spring of 1946, the final POWs had left North Carolina and
American shores. More than half of them spent another year or two as
prisoners in England or France, helping to restore those war-torn
countries. But many former POWs returned to their native countries with
good feelings toward America. Over the last several decades, the author
of this article has talked with many former German POWs who spent time
in North Carolina and other states, meeting only a handful with
negative
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very expensive at the time. It had the proper fittings to connect to the steel lines. You have to connect in a couple of places to test the system properly, not just output pressure from the pump. The instructions that came with the gauge set were adequate for testing the system. IIRC, I also bought a book on the CIS system that was very handy. The fuel pump and filter is under the fuel tank at the rear of the car. There are several hoses there, but if they are leaking, you'll see fuel . . . When the M117 engine in the 450SLC stopped running altogether, I disassembled it to find out what was wrong, and found almost all of the rubber bits in the intake system (there are a LOT of them) were hard, brittle, and leaking, making proper mixture impossible to attain and hold. The 500 engine in that car is the aluminum block version of the iron 450 engine, and I'm fairly certain that it's almost the same otherwise. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. snip I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
The leaking points are: fuel distributor to throttle body boot (buried on that car, you have to remove the manifold I think, but you have to anyway, see point #2) seals between intake manifold halves (this is an issue for all the V8s of that design type) Idle control valve hoses Injector seals Injector holder seals (bet you didn't even know they existed, eh?). On the M103 there is a plastic sleeve the injector fits into, and they have an o-ring in a slot on the outside to seal with the manifold. They go bad, and replacing the injector seals doesn't fix the issue. Typically all these must be replaced together, so its better to pull the manifold and do it all at once. The throttle body to fuel distributor boot bolts to the fuel distributor, so it all has to come out. Makes a big improvement in running and throttle response when you get it all sealed up. Another point to check is a sticky fuel distributor air flap pivot or plunger seal. If the flap does not move very freely with light pressure and spring back up to the idle stop by itself if depressed, you need to clean it and maybe pull the plunger and clean that. Once in a while the plunger seal gets leaky or drags too much, in either case mixture control is erratic and you get running problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1984 500SEL - HELP!!
HF has a Cis kit also, it's the $100 One Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2014, at 10:15 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: When I started having trouble with the '78 450SLC running right, I bought a CIS testing kit from JC Whittney, I don't remember that it was very expensive at the time. It had the proper fittings to connect to the steel lines. You have to connect in a couple of places to test the system properly, not just output pressure from the pump. The instructions that came with the gauge set were adequate for testing the system. IIRC, I also bought a book on the CIS system that was very handy. The fuel pump and filter is under the fuel tank at the rear of the car. There are several hoses there, but if they are leaking, you'll see fuel . . . When the M117 engine in the 450SLC stopped running altogether, I disassembled it to find out what was wrong, and found almost all of the rubber bits in the intake system (there are a LOT of them) were hard, brittle, and leaking, making proper mixture impossible to attain and hold. The 500 engine in that car is the aluminum block version of the iron 450 engine, and I'm fairly certain that it's almost the same otherwise. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Finally heard back from the owner. Here's what he tells me: He got the car from the original owner. It had been parked for a couple of years after being run out of fuel. Wouldn't start or run when he got it. snip I was going to run over to Harbor Freight and pick up a fuel pressure tester, but theirs says it doesn't work on Bosch or CIS-Jetronic. Is this the case? http://www.harborfreight.com/fuel-injection-pump-tester-92699.html It definitely sounds like a fuel delivery issue, as he says as they have tinkered with it there have been times when it could be driven at 20-30 MPH without a problem, then after being parked for a day it wouldn't do more than idle, that is, when loaded it would stumble and miss. I'm still going to take a jumper for the fuel pump relay, but I don't think that's the issue. Interior is said to be very good, with the stitching on the top of the back seat coming loose (nothing new there) and the exterior having a nickel-sized spot of rust bubble in front of the passenger side rear wheel well. Let's hear those ideas, guys! I nee some direction so I'll know what to look for when I get up there tomorrow night! Thanks! Dan ___ -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
