Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-4-7-billion-nuclear-bill-that-no-one-wants-to-pay-1535194801?emailToken=598e4b5b4143150807e018ca9bef8e83sgaMeCO5FNOiu0eMabMWlqua0TyXi/InoYILr1gEb/Vd2HYEgZQtbrS274OqB5xkhew6MGvQ08tEgoQ/vw8yL4WGQac4we8D25DuzxbygVPRzi0ApPYuvz+qsWe6eGlj=article_copyURL_share

--R
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> On Aug 25, 2018, at 11:14 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So who's got the running list, most up to date, of all the politicos guilty
> of supporting this fraud?
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:08 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on
>> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
>> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
>> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
>> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
>> everything they have.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

So who's got the running list, most up to date, of all the politicos guilty
of supporting this fraud?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 12:08 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on
> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> everything they have.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Hey have I shared my wind machine story?  So back in the early 80s 
before the wind tax credits expired some of the big companies were 
building some large wind machines and testing them out west. Company I 
worked for was doing some work for Hamilton Standard which was building 
the rotors for them.  There was a prototype machine out near Medicine 
Bow, WY out on the high plains we went to see.  5MW, 250 tall at the 
nacelle, 220ft or so rotor blade length.  It was big.  There were a 
coupla other machines out there, one from Boeing I think, and another 
one too.  This one we visited had been running for awhile but that day 
the wind was not blowing enough (very atypical), I think this was like 
February or so, it was COLD out there, and esp up on top of the 
machine.  Not much other than sagebrush and antelopes and snow.  We took 
a little elevator up the stand into the nacelle where the reduction 
transmission and generator were, along with some switching gear and 
such.  It was big, had a hatch on top you could climb up a ladder and 
stand on top, which was very amazing (but freezing cold!). Great view 
from up there.  The blades were maybe 6-8ft diameter at the root, you 
could crawl out into the hub and out into the blades most of the way, it 
was huge.


I had been to the HS factory in CN where they were making the blades, it 
was this big lathe kind of thing with a mandrel they put fiberglass 
strands soaked in epoxy on with this traveling thing that had big reels 
of fiberglass rope, it just went back and forth laying down the fibers 
in criss-cross fashion.  Took awhile to make one.  Then they put them on 
rail cars to get out there, trucks the final ride from a railhead.  On a 
side note at that time HS had never had an operational failure of a 
propeller in normal use since they had been building props.  Interesting 
fact.


We spent a few hours poking around, went down to the control room where 
they monitored the thing.  Guys told us that when it was built some 
genius had wired it backwards so instead of putting power into the grid 
it drew power out of the grid.  And in a fortuitous serendipitous FAIL 
some other genius of an electrician also wired the wattmeter backassards 
so it was indicating draw as output and vice versa.  So when they first 
flipped the switch on the machine it spun up quite nicely and was 
indicating 5MW of output, everything running great.  They get a call 
from BPA (I think that was the grid they were tied into) asking them WTF 
they were doing out there to be drawing 5MW from the grid in about 3 
minutes, were they doing some kind of whack experiment or something.  
They had no idea what he was talking about, everything was indicating 
normal.  But they feathered the machine and shut it down while they 
tried to figure it out.  A tech comes into the control bunker and says 
hey the blades were bending forward I thought they were supposed to bend 
backwards when the wind blew on them...  UHOH... The thing was running 
as a giant fan not a windmill...  so they went through everything and 
found the complementary wiring errors...


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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Clay,

 Maybe these were islands and islands sometimes sink over time, plate 
shifts, earth quakes, etc.  I believe that the Earth is constantly changing and 
some of those changes result in what is sometimes deemed as climate change.  
Part of my property used to be under several feet of water.  It had nothing to 
do with climate change, but rather with beaver dams.  So called scientists 
quite often don't look deep enough at the root cause of issues.  But I firmly 
believe that if the Earth wants to change some of its climate, then we little 
pee ant humans aren't going to stop it.  However, we can stop arguing and start 
looking at how to make the best of these changes without the need for "grant 
money".

 Just my .02.

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

My understanding is that there are whole First Nations/Native American cities 
about 150 miles off the coast of SC.  This makes one suspect the whole Global 
Climate change farce is not all it seems cracked up to be.  I want to know what 
those darn redskins were doing that made the ocean yank their leases and move 
itself inland.



clay monroe
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> On Aug 8, 2018, at 1:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the 
> wave boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, coal, 
> petro, ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave board 
> system, but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining or 
> not.  Would probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a 
> Hurricane comes through.  Just a thought...
> 
> Best Wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
> 770-267-0850
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How much farmland is ruined by a wind turbine? Does corn care about sharing the 
fields? Is it worse than a cell tower?
Curt

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  On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 5:54 PM, Curley McLain via 
Mercedes wrote:   The airspeed at the tip of the blades 
is what counts.  I suspect you 
will find that speed to be just subsonic.

Your 3 turbines are not planted on the worlds best, most productive 
farmland, as are all the hundreds the taxpayers have purchased for 
Mid-American Energy. (and other companies)

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  Apparently there have been some turbines built in California right in the 
>path of migratory birds that have been just bird slaughtering machines. Not a 
>problem in most cases and I suspect a "migratory bird study" is now required 
>for the building of wind turbines...I'd also guess its a bigger problem with 
>smaller, faster turning turbines. These 1.5MW units are like 300rpm.
>
>
> -Curt
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The airspeed at the tip of the blades is what counts.   I suspect you 
will find that speed to be just subsonic.


Your 3 turbines are not planted on the worlds best, most productive 
farmland, as are all the hundreds the taxpayers have purchased for 
Mid-American Energy. (and other companies)


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Apparently there have been some turbines built in California right in the path of 
migratory birds that have been just bird slaughtering machines. Not a problem in most 
cases and I suspect a "migratory bird study" is now required for the building 
of wind turbines...I'd also guess its a bigger problem with smaller, faster turning 
turbines. These 1.5MW units are like 300rpm.


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Its the goobers!   No logic allowed!  only feeley!

ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the wave 
boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, coal, petro, 
ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave board system, 
but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining or not.  Would 
probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a Hurricane comes 
through.  Just a thought...

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com



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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

tin wrote:
> Tesla had ideas scuttled to duxt.

What? - gmail doing funky stuff.  Is duxt a bad word? shadowbanned?
...maybe I meant dust?
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> In the early days of irrational exuberance, nuclear power was touted
> as "too cheap to meter".

"Too cheap to meter" is not as nice as the JPMorgan funded Tesla power
to NYC a century ago.  Tesla had ideas scuttled to duxt.
tin

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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yes, the older wind farms that comprise small turbines close to the ground
are far more deadly than modern behemoths that are more widely spaced and
way taller.

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 1:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Apparently there have been some turbines built in California right in the
> path of migratory birds that have been just bird slaughtering machines. Not
> a problem in most cases and I suspect a "migratory bird study" is now
> required for the building of wind turbines...I'd also guess its a bigger
> problem with smaller, faster turning turbines. These 1.5MW units are like
> 300rpm.
>
>
> -Curt
>
> On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 1:47:59 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> How many MW of turbine capacity would it take for USA turbine bird kill
> numbers to approach house cat or motor vehicle bird kills?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Apparently there have been some turbines built in California right in the path 
of migratory birds that have been just bird slaughtering machines. Not a 
problem in most cases and I suspect a "migratory bird study" is now required 
for the building of wind turbines...I'd also guess its a bigger problem with 
smaller, faster turning turbines. These 1.5MW units are like 300rpm.


-Curt

On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 1:47:59 PM EDT, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 
How many MW of turbine capacity would it take for USA turbine bird kill numbers 
to approach house cat or motor vehicle bird kills?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

How many MW of turbine capacity would it take for USA turbine bird kill numbers 
to approach house cat or motor vehicle bird kills?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Entropy always wins...

On Thursday, August 9, 2018, 11:49:08 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzgIxMEo8g

RB


On 09/08/2018 10:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>  They did an artists rendering of the Cape Wind project which was basically 
>not visible from the Cape. The windmills would be something like an inch tall 
>on the horizon but the rich folks had already poisoned the minds of the weak 
>willed and the project was scrapped.We're seeing wind power become a real 
>thing here in the interior of the state though, 3x 1.5MW turbines within 10 
>miles of my house in the last 10 years. No massive bird murderings like are 
>predicted by the nay-sayers and no work about people getting sick from the 
>shadows. I've been and sat under them and about all you can hear is the woosh 
>of the blades, not any louder than regular wind noise though.
> -Curt
>
>      On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 7:42:18 PM EDT, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>  
>  Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard,
> but T Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block
> them.  Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his death.
>
> I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to
> some very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations
> around DC and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.
> Seems like wind machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.
>
> LarryT
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Impressive! there are hundreds of wind turbines around here. Haven't seen
any crash and burn yet, but will continue to watch. It is still a
relatively new technology at this scale . . .

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzgIxMEo8g
>
> RB
>
>
> On 09/08/2018 10:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>   They did an artists rendering of the Cape Wind project which was
>> basically not visible from the Cape. The windmills would be something like
>> an inch tall on the horizon but the rich folks had already poisoned the
>> minds of the weak willed and the project was scrapped.We're seeing wind
>> power become a real thing here in the interior of the state though, 3x
>> 1.5MW turbines within 10 miles of my house in the last 10 years. No massive
>> bird murderings like are predicted by the nay-sayers and no work about
>> people getting sick from the shadows. I've been and sat under them and
>> about all you can hear is the woosh of the blades, not any louder than
>> regular wind noise though.
>> -Curt
>>
>>  On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 7:42:18 PM EDT, Larry Turner via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard,
>> but T Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block
>> them.  Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his
>> death.
>>
>> I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to
>> some very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations
>> around DC and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.
>> Seems like wind machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.
>>
>> LarryT
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzgIxMEo8g

RB


On 09/08/2018 10:14 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  They did an artists rendering of the Cape Wind project which was basically 
not visible from the Cape. The windmills would be something like an inch tall 
on the horizon but the rich folks had already poisoned the minds of the weak 
willed and the project was scrapped.We're seeing wind power become a real thing 
here in the interior of the state though, 3x 1.5MW turbines within 10 miles of 
my house in the last 10 years. No massive bird murderings like are predicted by 
the nay-sayers and no work about people getting sick from the shadows. I've 
been and sat under them and about all you can hear is the woosh of the blades, 
not any louder than regular wind noise though.
-Curt

 On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 7:42:18 PM EDT, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:
  
  Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard,

but T Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block
them.  Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his death.

I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to
some very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations
around DC and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.
Seems like wind machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.

LarryT





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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They did an artists rendering of the Cape Wind project which was basically not 
visible from the Cape. The windmills would be something like an inch tall on 
the horizon but the rich folks had already poisoned the minds of the weak 
willed and the project was scrapped.We're seeing wind power become a real thing 
here in the interior of the state though, 3x 1.5MW turbines within 10 miles of 
my house in the last 10 years. No massive bird murderings like are predicted by 
the nay-sayers and no work about people getting sick from the shadows. I've 
been and sat under them and about all you can hear is the woosh of the blades, 
not any louder than regular wind noise though.
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 8, 2018, 7:42:18 PM EDT, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard, 
but T Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block 
them.  Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his death.

I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to 
some very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations 
around DC and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.  
Seems like wind machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.

LarryT


On 08/08/2018 7:24 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> There’s been talk about wind machines offshore but I don’t think we are well 
> suited for that. Solar could be a good option but the utilities and 
> legislature have conspired against residential solar so that’s problematic 
> too.
>
> SC legislature is looking to make a Great Leap Forward into the 20th century 
> just as soon as The Wa is over in another 100 years or so. Gov. Foghorn 
> will start to get it organized after the election.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
>> On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to 
>> recharge the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of solar 
>> panels completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a larger 
>> scale - is that what you are proposing?  There's also electricity generators 
>> that use the rising/dropping of the tide to generate electricity.
>>
>> I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural areas 
>> would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not my strong 
>> suite.
>>
>> LarryT
>>
>>
>>> On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the 
>>> wave boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, 
>>> coal, petro, ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave 
>>> board system, but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is 
>>> shining or not.  Would probably need some way to drop them and lock them 
>>> when a Hurricane comes through.  Just a thought...
>>>
>>> Best Wishes,
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Roger Hale
>>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>>> Monroe, Ga.
>>> 770-267-0850
>>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Ocean wave generators make a lot more sense than wind generators, or even
solar...

Thousands of miles of coast line... the waves never stop, day or night...
Wind generators only work if the wind blows which it doesn't for days
sometimes... solar works, if it's day and not cloudy... waves just keep
on...

No toxic disposal like nukes... I don't see a down side at first blush...

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to
> recharge the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of
> solar panels completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a
> larger scale - is that what you are proposing?   There's also electricity
> generators that use the rising/dropping of the tide to generate electricity.
>
> I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural
> areas would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not my
> strong suite.
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install
>> the wave boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes,
>> coal, petro, ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave
>> board system, but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is
>> shining or not.  Would probably need some way to drop them and lock them
>> when a Hurricane comes through.  Just a thought...
>>
>> Best Wishes,
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Cape Wind are building machines off Cape Cod. Teddy K (D-UI) didn’t want them, 
he probably would have run into one with his sailboat in a drunken stupor. 

Mary Jo had no comment. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:42 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard, but T 
> Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block them.  
> Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his death.
> 
> I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to some 
> very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations around DC 
> and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.  Seems like wind 
> machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 08/08/2018 7:24 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> There’s been talk about wind machines offshore but I don’t think we are well 
>> suited for that. Solar could be a good option but the utilities and 
>> legislature have conspired against residential solar so that’s problematic 
>> too.
>> 
>> SC legislature is looking to make a Great Leap Forward into the 20th century 
>> just as soon as The Wa is over in another 100 years or so. Gov. Foghorn 
>> will start to get it organized after the election.
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to 
>>> recharge the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of 
>>> solar panels completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a 
>>> larger scale - is that what you are proposing?   There's also electricity 
>>> generators that use the rising/dropping of the tide to generate electricity.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural areas 
>>> would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not my strong 
>>> suite.
>>> 
>>> LarryT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:
 Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the 
 wave boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, 
 coal, petro, ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the 
 wave board system, but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is 
 shining or not.  Would probably need some way to drop them and lock them 
 when a Hurricane comes through.  Just a thought...
 
 Best Wishes,
 
 Roger
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Speaking of wind machines - They were proposed off Martha's Vineyard, 
but T Kennedy thought they would spoil the view and he managed to block 
them.  Don't know if his efforts managed to keep them away after his death.


I think we are building them off the coast of Va - but that's thanks to 
some very far left democrats being elected Gov.  The large populations 
around DC and Norfolk overwhelm the vote of central Va and rural Va.  
Seems like wind machines have a few unintended circumstances tied to them.


LarryT


On 08/08/2018 7:24 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

There’s been talk about wind machines offshore but I don’t think we are well 
suited for that. Solar could be a good option but the utilities and legislature 
have conspired against residential solar so that’s problematic too.

SC legislature is looking to make a Great Leap Forward into the 20th century 
just as soon as The Wa is over in another 100 years or so. Gov. Foghorn 
will start to get it organized after the election.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to recharge 
the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of solar panels 
completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a larger scale - is 
that what you are proposing?   There's also electricity generators that use the 
rising/dropping of the tide to generate electricity.

I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural areas 
would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not my strong 
suite.

LarryT



On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:
Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the wave 
boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, coal, petro, 
ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave board system, 
but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining or not.  Would 
probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a Hurricane comes 
through.  Just a thought...

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

There’s been talk about wind machines offshore but I don’t think we are well 
suited for that. Solar could be a good option but the utilities and legislature 
have conspired against residential solar so that’s problematic too. 

SC legislature is looking to make a Great Leap Forward into the 20th century 
just as soon as The Wa is over in another 100 years or so. Gov. Foghorn 
will start to get it organized after the election. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to 
> recharge the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of solar 
> panels completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a larger 
> scale - is that what you are proposing?   There's also electricity generators 
> that use the rising/dropping of the tide to generate electricity.
> 
> I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural areas 
> would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not my strong 
> suite.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:
>> Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the 
>> wave boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, 
>> coal, petro, ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave 
>> board system, but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining 
>> or not.  Would probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a 
>> Hurricane comes through.  Just a thought...
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Underwater generators have been towed behind sailboats for decades to 
recharge the batteries when the sun ain't shining or often in place of 
solar panels completely.  Sounds like a similar kind of thing  but on  a 
larger scale - is that what you are proposing?   There's also 
electricity generators that use the rising/dropping of the tide to 
generate electricity.


I'm not sure how getting the power from the ocean to the cities/rural 
areas would work, but  I suspect there's a way, but electricity is not 
my strong suite.


LarryT


On 08/08/2018 4:30 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes wrote:

Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the wave 
boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, coal, petro, 
ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave board system, 
but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining or not.  Would 
probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a Hurricane comes 
through.  Just a thought...

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Gee, SC has a coast.  Why don't they go out into the water and install the wave 
boards that generate electricity from the oceans waves.  No nukes, coal, petro, 
ruined rivers, etc.  Haven't seen a cost breakdown on the wave board system, 
but it seems good as the waves work whether the Sun is shining or not.  Would 
probably need some way to drop them and lock them when a Hurricane comes 
through.  Just a thought...

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Whoops was the acronym for a bunch of nukes that were supposed to use a 
cookie cutter design.  Course it never turned out that way.


The original was Washington Public Power Supply System (WPPSS). Only one 
of 5 ever came on line.   More Billion$ down the tube.


As someone once said "when the govt is involved, better get a tight hold 
onto your wallet"!


LarryT


On 08/08/2018 12:50 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

Washington had a massive fraud event on a pretty egregious level.  Billions of 
tax payer dollars to build five power plants.  Only one ever came online.  The 
public utilities sold bonds for the build.  Rate payers ended up with the bill. 
 This was around 1984.  Known as Whoops!  We were going to get electrons for 
less than it cost to suck them out of the rivers with dams.  Screw BPA.

A person would think somebody would have done a bit of research and found this 
out.


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net




On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on the 
public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected “representatives” are 
totally complicit in it. The utility and its investors need to take the haircut 
and a whole bunch from top to bottom public and private and in-between need to 
go to prison after losing everything they have.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
*State*
,
Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Then the movie "/China Syndrome/" came out.  Huge piece of pure 
propaganda.  But it changed a lot of people opinions. Unfortunately too 
many people get their view of the world through movies/TV.


LarryT


On 08/08/2018 10:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

In the early days of irrational exuberance, nuclear power was touted
as "too cheap to meter".

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:50 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Washington had a massive fraud event on a pretty egregious level.
Billions of tax payer dollars to build five power plants.  Only one ever
came online.  The public utilities sold bonds for the build.  Rate payers
ended up with the bill.  This was around 1984.  Known as Whoops!  We were
going to get electrons for less than it cost to suck them out of the rivers
with dams.  Screw BPA.

A person would think somebody would have done a bit of research and found
this out.


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net




On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated

on the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
“representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
everything they have.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would

cost

to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former

chief

financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to

lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to

hit

profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia

[S.C.]

*State*
,

Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Do you know if Hartsville 1is up & running? I think it was one of the 
first nukes built and its time for retirement was coming up.


At least I think it was called Hartsville 1. I guess they wouldn't call 
it #1 until the next reactors were approved?  I seem to recall hearing 
comments about what you are saying about the govt & util in bed 
together.  No one was interested in reducing cost even at that early 
stage.  We offered (constr mgmnt) suggested ways for the crews to stay 
inside the containment longer so we wouldn't lose so much productivity 
going in and coming out 5 times/shift. IIRC Thanks for refreshing  my 
memory.


Man, I don't miss that frustrating work even a little.

LarryT



On 08/08/2018 11:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Oh that’s the existing plant then. This debacle is about a new plant they 
started to build and got $2 or $4bil into and realized it was never going to 
work out. They actually realized that early on but kept spending on it. The key 
was that the legislature voted a deal where the ratepayers funded the 
construction out of bill surcharges rather than the utilities getting bonds for 
it. So there was no incentive to economize or be successful. An alliance 
between the gummint and the utilities doomed us. And all the same scalawags are 
now trying to “fix” it while the utility execs are walking off with huge golden 
parachute payments, courtesy the rate/taxpayers.

Great deal if you can get it.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 8, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

When I was there they kept having alarms for "Airborne" which made everything stop until they found the problem.  
Usually it was false alarms.  It's been a while since I was there - seems like Duke Power & Light was involved as a partner 
in the fiasco. I don't think Central SC is on a earthquake fault but most of the mode we installed were mandated following the 
mess at 3 mile Island.  We had to install pipe supports the size of desks to support 2" or 3" Fire Water pipe 
"in case".  I'm all for safety but there should have been risk analysis done.   The work crew would go into the 
containment, suit up (about 1.5 hr) then they'd go in through the safety doors which took another 1.5 ho for the crew to all be 
inside.  By now it's approaching 10am and at 1115 (IIRC) they'd come out, change clothes and put street clothes back on, get 
lunch and then "around" 1PM they'd start going back into the containment requiring the jump suits, duct tape around 
the ankles and wrists, booties masks hats, etc then start going through the interlock chamber (again iirc) and the whole thing 
would start over.  Of course they'd come out for their afternoon break around 230 and by the take they took their 30 min and 
suited back up, etc, etc they'd be back in and if we were lucky we'd get maybe (on a good day) 2 hours of productivity.  I 
think the crazy break rules may have come from Duke P which I think was a union shop.  But I may be confusing the 
Airborne alarms with the Nuke I worked in Ill.  Seems they had them constantly...

(This was back in the early 80s and things are hopefully different now)  I 
hope...  And people wonder why nukes had trouble meeting schedules and 
budgets

Ahh, memories ;-)   I'm possibly confusing the memories a bit... but I don't 
think so...

LarryT



On 08/07/2018 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
Yeah I think. It was a complete disaster, not sure how far along they got.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Wow!

Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor doing Three 
Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short term while 
between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets and Schedules but 
the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.

LarryT



On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing 

Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Charleston and Kiawah municipalities needs to secede from the State.

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 11:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Oh that’s the existing plant then. This debacle is about a new plant they
> started to build and got $2 or $4bil into and realized it was never going
> to work out. They actually realized that early on but kept spending on it.
> The key was that the legislature voted a deal where the ratepayers funded
> the construction out of bill surcharges rather than the utilities getting
> bonds for it. So there was no incentive to economize or be successful. An
> alliance between the gummint and the utilities doomed us. And all the same
> scalawags are now trying to “fix” it while the utility execs are walking
> off with huge golden parachute payments, courtesy the rate/taxpayers.
>
> Great deal if you can get it.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 8, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I was there they kept having alarms for "Airborne" which made
> everything stop until they found the problem.  Usually it was false
> alarms.  It's been a while since I was there - seems like Duke Power &
> Light was involved as a partner in the fiasco. I don't think Central SC is
> on a earthquake fault but most of the mode we installed were mandated
> following the mess at 3 mile Island.  We had to install pipe supports the
> size of desks to support 2" or 3" Fire Water pipe "in case".  I'm all for
> safety but there should have been risk analysis done.   The work crew would
> go into the containment, suit up (about 1.5 hr) then they'd go in through
> the safety doors which took another 1.5 ho for the crew to all be inside.
> By now it's approaching 10am and at 1115 (IIRC) they'd come out, change
> clothes and put street clothes back on, get lunch and then "around" 1PM
> they'd start going back into the containment requiring the jump suits, duct
> tape around the ankles and wrists, booties masks hats, etc then start going
> through the interlock chamber (again iirc) and the whole thing would start
> over.  Of course they'd come out for their afternoon break around 230 and
> by the take they took their 30 min and suited back up, etc, etc they'd be
> back in and if we were lucky we'd get maybe (on a good day) 2 hours of
> productivity.  I think the crazy break rules may have come from Duke P
> which I think was a union shop.  But I may be confusing the Airborne alarms
> with the Nuke I worked in Ill.  Seems they had them constantly...
> >
> > (This was back in the early 80s and things are hopefully different now)
> I hope...  And people wonder why nukes had trouble meeting schedules and
> budgets
> >
> > Ahh, memories ;-)   I'm possibly confusing the memories a bit... but I
> don't think so...
> >
> > LarryT
> >
> >
> >> On 08/07/2018 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Yeah I think. It was a complete disaster, not sure how far along they
> got.
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wow!
> >>>
> >>> Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor
> doing Three Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short
> term while between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets and
> Schedules but the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.
> >>>
> >>> LarryT
> >>>
> >>>
>  On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>  UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
>  costsPublished:
>  Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> 
>  A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives
> at
>  the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it
> would cost
>  to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> 
>  Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the
> V.C.
>  Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on
> the
>  increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund
> the
>  two reactors.
> 
>  Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
>  named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
> chief
>  financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to
> lie.
> 
>  A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the
> circuit
>  court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
>  compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date
> for
>  the project.
> 
>  In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of
> "breaking
>  every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project
> to hit
>  profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
> [S.C.]
> 

Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Oh that’s the existing plant then. This debacle is about a new plant they 
started to build and got $2 or $4bil into and realized it was never going to 
work out. They actually realized that early on but kept spending on it. The key 
was that the legislature voted a deal where the ratepayers funded the 
construction out of bill surcharges rather than the utilities getting bonds for 
it. So there was no incentive to economize or be successful. An alliance 
between the gummint and the utilities doomed us. And all the same scalawags are 
now trying to “fix” it while the utility execs are walking off with huge golden 
parachute payments, courtesy the rate/taxpayers. 

Great deal if you can get it. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 8, 2018, at 12:03 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I was there they kept having alarms for "Airborne" which made everything 
> stop until they found the problem.  Usually it was false alarms.  It's been a 
> while since I was there - seems like Duke Power & Light was involved as a 
> partner in the fiasco. I don't think Central SC is on a earthquake fault but 
> most of the mode we installed were mandated following the mess at 3 mile 
> Island.  We had to install pipe supports the size of desks to support 2" or 
> 3" Fire Water pipe "in case".  I'm all for safety but there should have been 
> risk analysis done.   The work crew would go into the containment, suit up 
> (about 1.5 hr) then they'd go in through the safety doors which took another 
> 1.5 ho for the crew to all be inside.  By now it's approaching 10am and at 
> 1115 (IIRC) they'd come out, change clothes and put street clothes back on, 
> get lunch and then "around" 1PM they'd start going back into the containment 
> requiring the jump suits, duct tape around the ankles and wrists, booties 
> masks hats, etc then start going through the interlock chamber (again iirc) 
> and the whole thing would start over.  Of course they'd come out for their 
> afternoon break around 230 and by the take they took their 30 min and suited 
> back up, etc, etc they'd be back in and if we were lucky we'd get maybe (on a 
> good day) 2 hours of productivity.  I think the crazy break rules may have 
> come from Duke P which I think was a union shop.  But I may be confusing 
> the Airborne alarms with the Nuke I worked in Ill.  Seems they had them 
> constantly...
> 
> (This was back in the early 80s and things are hopefully different now)  I 
> hope...  And people wonder why nukes had trouble meeting schedules and 
> budgets
> 
> Ahh, memories ;-)   I'm possibly confusing the memories a bit... but I don't 
> think so...
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 08/07/2018 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yeah I think. It was a complete disaster, not sure how far along they got.
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow!
>>> 
>>> Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor doing 
>>> Three Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short term 
>>> while between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets and 
>>> Schedules but the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.
>>> 
>>> LarryT
>>> 
>>> 
 On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
 costsPublished:
 Tuesday, August 7, 2018
 
 A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
 the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
 to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
 
 Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
 Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
 increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
 two reactors.
 
 Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
 named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
 financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
 
 A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
 court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
 compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
 the project.
 
 In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
 every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
 profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
 *State*
 ,
 Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

In the early days of irrational exuberance, nuclear power was touted
as "too cheap to meter".

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:50 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Washington had a massive fraud event on a pretty egregious level.
> Billions of tax payer dollars to build five power plants.  Only one ever
> came online.  The public utilities sold bonds for the build.  Rate payers
> ended up with the bill.  This was around 1984.  Known as Whoops!  We were
> going to get electrons for less than it cost to suck them out of the rivers
> with dams.  Screw BPA.
>
> A person would think somebody would have done a bit of research and found
> this out.
>
>
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
>
>
>
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated
> on the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> everything they have.
> >
> > --R
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> >> costsPublished:
> >> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> >>
> >> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
> >> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
> cost
> >> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> >>
> >> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> >> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> >> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
> >> two reactors.
> >>
> >> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> >> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
> chief
> >> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to
> lie.
> >>
> >> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
> >> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> >> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
> >> the project.
> >>
> >> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
> >> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
> hit
> >> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
> [S.C.]
> >> *State*
> >>  article216050955.html>,
> >> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Washington had a massive fraud event on a pretty egregious level.  Billions of 
tax payer dollars to build five power plants.  Only one ever came online.  The 
public utilities sold bonds for the build.  Rate payers ended up with the bill. 
 This was around 1984.  Known as Whoops!  We were going to get electrons for 
less than it cost to suck them out of the rivers with dams.  Screw BPA.  

A person would think somebody would have done a bit of research and found this 
out.


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Aug 7, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on 
> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected “representatives” 
> are totally complicit in it. The utility and its investors need to take the 
> haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom public and private and 
> in-between need to go to prison after losing everything they have. 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
>> costsPublished:
>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
>> 
>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
>> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
>> 
>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
>> two reactors.
>> 
>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
>> 
>> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
>> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
>> the project.
>> 
>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
>> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
>> *State*
>> ,
>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

When I was there they kept having alarms for "Airborne" which made 
everything stop until they found the problem.  Usually it was false 
alarms.  It's been a while since I was there - seems like Duke Power & 
Light was involved as a partner in the fiasco. I don't think Central SC 
is on a earthquake fault but most of the mode we installed were mandated 
following the mess at 3 mile Island.  We had to install pipe supports 
the size of desks to support 2" or 3" Fire Water pipe "in case".  I'm 
all for safety but there should have been risk analysis done.   The work 
crew would go into the containment, suit up (about 1.5 hr) then they'd 
go in through the safety doors which took another 1.5 ho for the crew to 
all be inside.  By now it's approaching 10am and at 1115 (IIRC) they'd 
come out, change clothes and put street clothes back on, get lunch and 
then "around" 1PM they'd start going back into the containment requiring 
the jump suits, duct tape around the ankles and wrists, booties masks 
hats, etc then start going through the interlock chamber (again iirc) 
and the whole thing would start over.  Of course they'd come out for 
their afternoon break around 230 and by the take they took their 30 min 
and suited back up, etc, etc they'd be back in and if we were lucky we'd 
get maybe (on a good day) 2 hours of productivity.  I think the crazy 
break rules may have come from Duke P which I think was a union shop.  
But I may be confusing the Airborne alarms with the Nuke I worked in 
Ill.  Seems they had them constantly...


(This was back in the early 80s and things are hopefully different now)  
I hope...  And people wonder why nukes had trouble meeting schedules and 
budgets


Ahh, memories ;-)   I'm possibly confusing the memories a bit... but I 
don't think so...


LarryT


On 08/07/2018 9:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah I think. It was a complete disaster, not sure how far along they got.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
wrote:

Wow!

Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor doing Three 
Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short term while 
between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets and Schedules but 
the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.

LarryT



On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
*State*
,
Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah I think. It was a complete disaster, not sure how far along they got. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 8:33 PM, Larry Turner via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow!
> 
> Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor doing 
> Three Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short term 
> while between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets and 
> Schedules but the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
>> On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
>> costsPublished:
>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
>> 
>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
>> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
>> 
>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
>> two reactors.
>> 
>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
>> 
>> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
>> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
>> the project.
>> 
>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
>> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
>> *State*
>> ,
>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Wow!

Is this the Nuke near Hartsville?  I work there for the contractor doing 
Three Mile Island mods to the fire suppression systems.  It was short 
term while between other projects.  I worked on Constructions Budgets 
and Schedules but the contractor I worked for was not mentioned below.


LarryT


On 08/07/2018 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
*State*
,
Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I guess you could legally use it as a cigar cutter.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 2:22 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'm thinking the original design would be best.  Let the scalawag in line
> crank up the blade for his own party.  Makes things a bit more interesting.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 8/7/18 1:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Truck freight only, due to size. Approx 4 days, unless it's "Expedite".
>>
>> The "Original design" version [taken from French archive records, and
>> existing Guillotines in museums] is only good for one execution per 20
>> minutes.
>>
>> I have a modern re-design, full automated with hydraulic cutting blade..
>> cycle time of 2 minutes, should you have any "volume work" planned...
>> Order, build, delivery, estimate of 6 weeks.
>>
>> You ask... ;))
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Shipping costs?  Delivery time?
>>>
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

>>> wrote:
>>>
 Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on
 a
 trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
 available for rental use at a reasonable rate...

 Should the need arise.

 On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

 This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated
>
 on
>>>
 the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> everything they have.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
>> costsPublished:
>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
>>
>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives
>>
> at
>>>
 the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
>>
> cost
>
>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
>>
>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the
>> V.C.
>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on
>> the
>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund
>>
> the
>>>
 two reactors.
>>
>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
>>
> chief
>
>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to
>>
> lie.
>>>
 A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the
>>
> circuit
>>>
 court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date
>>
> for
>>>
 the project.
>>
>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of
>>
> "breaking
>>>
 every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
>>
> hit
>
>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
>>
> [S.C.]
>
>> *State*
>> >
> article216050955.html
>>>
 ,
>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I'm thinking the original design would be best.  Let the scalawag in 
line crank up the blade for his own party.  Makes things a bit more 
interesting.


--FT


On 8/7/18 1:57 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Truck freight only, due to size. Approx 4 days, unless it's "Expedite".

The "Original design" version [taken from French archive records, and
existing Guillotines in museums] is only good for one execution per 20
minutes.

I have a modern re-design, full automated with hydraulic cutting blade..
cycle time of 2 minutes, should you have any "volume work" planned...
Order, build, delivery, estimate of 6 weeks.

You ask... ;))

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Shipping costs?  Delivery time?

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

wrote:

Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on a
trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
available for rental use at a reasonable rate...

Should the need arise.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated

on

the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
“representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
everything they have.

--R
Sent from iPhone


On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives

at

the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would

cost

to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund

the

two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former

chief

financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to

lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the

circuit

court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date

for

the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of

"breaking

every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to

hit

profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia

[S.C.]

*State*

Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We've got this: 
https://www.amazon.com/Avalon-Hill-5510919-Guillotine/dp/B000ARTT7S/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8=1533664750=8-4=guillotineits
 a card game, "Fun with the French Revolution" if you will.
Its got a little cardboard guillotine and executioner, I've been thinking it 
needs a miniature instead...
-Curt

On Tuesday, August 7, 2018, 1:57:31 PM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Truck freight only, due to size. Approx 4 days, unless it's "Expedite".

The "Original design" version [taken from French archive records, and
existing Guillotines in museums] is only good for one execution per 20
minutes.

I have a modern re-design, full automated with hydraulic cutting blade..
cycle time of 2 minutes, should you have any "volume work" planned...
Order, build, delivery, estimate of 6 weeks.

You ask... ;))

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Shipping costs?  Delivery time?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on a
> > trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
> > available for rental use at a reasonable rate...
> >
> > Should the need arise.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated
> on
> >> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> >> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> >> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> >> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> >> everything they have.
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> >>> costsPublished:
> >>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> >>>
> >>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives
> at
> >>> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
> >> cost
> >>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> >>>
> >>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> >>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> >>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund
> the
> >>> two reactors.
> >>>
> >>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> >>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
> >> chief
> >>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to
> lie.
> >>>
> >>> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the
> circuit
> >>> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> >>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date
> for
> >>> the project.
> >>>
> >>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of
> "breaking
> >>> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
> >> hit
> >>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
> >> [S.C.]
> >>> *State*
> >>>  article216050955.html
> >>> ,
> >>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Truck freight only, due to size. Approx 4 days, unless it's "Expedite".

The "Original design" version [taken from French archive records, and
existing Guillotines in museums] is only good for one execution per 20
minutes.

I have a modern re-design, full automated with hydraulic cutting blade..
cycle time of 2 minutes, should you have any "volume work" planned...
Order, build, delivery, estimate of 6 weeks.

You ask... ;))

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Shipping costs?  Delivery time?
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on a
> > trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
> > available for rental use at a reasonable rate...
> >
> > Should the need arise.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated
> on
> >> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> >> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> >> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> >> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> >> everything they have.
> >>
> >> --R
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> >>> costsPublished:
> >>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> >>>
> >>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives
> at
> >>> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
> >> cost
> >>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> >>>
> >>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> >>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> >>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund
> the
> >>> two reactors.
> >>>
> >>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> >>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
> >> chief
> >>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to
> lie.
> >>>
> >>> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the
> circuit
> >>> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> >>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date
> for
> >>> the project.
> >>>
> >>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of
> "breaking
> >>> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
> >> hit
> >>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
> >> [S.C.]
> >>> *State*
> >>>  article216050955.html
> >>> ,
> >>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Shipping costs?  Delivery time?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 12:12 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on a
> trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
> available for rental use at a reasonable rate...
> 
> Should the need arise.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on
>> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
>> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
>> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
>> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
>> everything they have.
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
>>> costsPublished:
>>> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
>>> 
>>> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
>>> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
>> cost
>>> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
>>> 
>>> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
>>> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
>>> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
>>> two reactors.
>>> 
>>> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
>>> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
>> chief
>>> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
>>> 
>>> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
>>> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
>>> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
>>> the project.
>>> 
>>> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
>>> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
>> hit
>>> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
>> [S.C.]
>>> *State*
>>> >> ,
>>> Aug. 3). *— DI*
>>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Some years ago, I designed and built a full size Guillotine, mounted on a
trailer, that was taken to Renaissance Fairs... I feel sure it could be
available for rental use at a reasonable rate...

Should the need arise.

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on
> the public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected
> “representatives” are totally complicit in it. The utility and its
> investors need to take the haircut and a whole bunch from top to bottom
> public and private and in-between need to go to prison after losing
> everything they have.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> > costsPublished:
> > Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> >
> > A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
> > the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would
> cost
> > to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> >
> > Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> > Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> > increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
> > two reactors.
> >
> > Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> > named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former
> chief
> > financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
> >
> > A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
> > court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> > compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
> > the project.
> >
> > In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
> > every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to
> hit
> > profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia
> [S.C.]
> > *State*
> >  >,
> > Aug. 3). *— DI*
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Re: [MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

This thing is turning out to be the most massive fraud ever perpetrated on the 
public (SC anyway) and a goodly fraction of our elected “representatives” are 
totally complicit in it. The utility and its investors need to take the haircut 
and a whole bunch from top to bottom public and private and in-between need to 
go to prison after losing everything they have. 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 7, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> costsPublished:
> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
> 
> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
> 
> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
> two reactors.
> 
> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
> 
> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
> the project.
> 
> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
> *State*
> ,
> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Imagine that, Greed and Government Program yield Fraud, yet again...

How do you build an elephant?  Order a mouse built under government
contract...

"I rest my case, Your Honor."

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
> costsPublished:
> Tuesday, August 7, 2018
>
> A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
> the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
> to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.
>
> Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
> Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
> increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
> two reactors.
>
> Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
> named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
> financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.
>
> A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
> court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
> compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
> the project.
>
> In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
> every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
> profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
> *State*
> ,
> Aug. 3). *— DI*
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[MBZ] OT (for Rich): Ongoing nuke soap opera in SC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

UTILITIESScana accountant testifies she was made to lie about reactor
costsPublished:
Tuesday, August 7, 2018

A former accountant for Scana Corp. has testified that top executives at
the utility pressured her to lie to regulators about how much it would cost
to complete a S.C. nuclear project that was later abandoned.

Carlette Walker, who was responsible for spending oversight at the V.C.
Summer project, had to give sworn statements to state regulators on the
increased rates that subsidiary SCE was charging customers to fund the
two reactors.

Walker said she quit in June 2016 "because I wasn't going to lie," and
named a former chief executive, a former operations chief and former chief
financial officer when asked during the deposition who forced her to lie.

A voicemail left by Walker in early 2016 was also played for the circuit
court judge, who is overseeing the civil suit that seeks $2 billion in
compensation for utility customers — the amount they've paid to date for
the project.

In the voicemail, Walker is heard accusing Scana executives of "breaking
every friggin' law that you can break," and propping up the project to hit
profit targets and collect millions in bonuses (Tom Barton, Columbia [S.C.]
*State*
,
Aug. 3). *— DI*
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