Re: [MBZ] Rod bender?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Oh hey, I didn't realize you were on Lake of the Woods.

I've been watching "The Canadian Angle" on the MeatEater YouTube channel. Lake 
of the Woods is that guy's home lake...

-Curt




On Thursday, April 20, 2023 at 09:20:27 AM PDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





On 20/04/2023 11:04 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> Even though it likely says in the flowery description, how/where do these 
> people find these things?
> I’ll admit this is a favorite combo of mine every since my grandfather 
> ordered his second to last car, a 1976 Ford LTD two door, white with tan 
> leather and a tan, padded landau roof…with those opera windows of course.
>
> AZBob
>
I knew a fellow who bought a new Lincoln Town Car around the early 70's 
- not certain of exact year. It was one of the huge Lincolns. White, 
with a white leather interior and a white vinyl top. Cannot recall if it 
was the landau part vinyl or full top - also had the opera windows I 
believe. A real land yacht but an absolutely beautiful car. It was 
almost new when it got totalled. He was travelling through Wisconsin 
sometime around late February or March when the spring thaw was in 
progress and some rocks rolled down a hill onto the highway. He dodged 
at least one but went over top of another. He nailed the rock with the 
oil pan, transmission pan and the rear end. The insurance company wrote 
it off. They were not prepared to replace the whole drive train.

His name was Floyd and he and his family had a cottage on the bay where 
we are on Lake of the Woods. They had an early cottage and then built a 
newer one some time around the early 1950's. My father helped build the 
2nd one and did work for them on and off for many years, including 
docks, boat houses etc.  They had a cottage there from some time in the 
30's or maybe 40's but had never been there in winter. They wanted to 
see it with snow so they drove up from Moline, Illinois and my father 
took them in to the cottage by snow mobile. They were just there for 
part of the day and then headed back south. They likely stayed over in 
International Falls, Minnesota and then headed south again the next day. 
This accident happened on their way home.

Poor old Floyd has been gone now for many years but we remember him and 
his family fondly. He owned the Shetter Fude Furniture Store in Moline, 
Illinois.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 20/04/2023 11:04 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Even though it likely says in the flowery description, how/where do these 
people find these things?
I’ll admit this is a favorite combo of mine every since my grandfather ordered 
his second to last car, a 1976 Ford LTD two door, white with tan leather and a 
tan, padded landau roof…with those opera windows of course.

AZBob

I knew a fellow who bought a new Lincoln Town Car around the early 70's 
- not certain of exact year. It was one of the huge Lincolns. White, 
with a white leather interior and a white vinyl top. Cannot recall if it 
was the landau part vinyl or full top - also had the opera windows I 
believe. A real land yacht but an absolutely beautiful car. It was 
almost new when it got totalled. He was travelling through Wisconsin 
sometime around late February or March when the spring thaw was in 
progress and some rocks rolled down a hill onto the highway. He dodged 
at least one but went over top of another. He nailed the rock with the 
oil pan, transmission pan and the rear end. The insurance company wrote 
it off. They were not prepared to replace the whole drive train.


His name was Floyd and he and his family had a cottage on the bay where 
we are on Lake of the Woods. They had an early cottage and then built a 
newer one some time around the early 1950's. My father helped build the 
2nd one and did work for them on and off for many years, including 
docks, boat houses etc.  They had a cottage there from some time in the 
30's or maybe 40's but had never been there in winter. They wanted to 
see it with snow so they drove up from Moline, Illinois and my father 
took them in to the cottage by snow mobile. They were just there for 
part of the day and then headed back south. They likely stayed over in 
International Falls, Minnesota and then headed south again the next day. 
This accident happened on their way home.


Poor old Floyd has been gone now for many years but we remember him and 
his family fondly. He owned the Shetter Fude Furniture Store in Moline, 
Illinois.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Even though it likely says in the flowery description, how/where do these 
people find these things? 
I’ll admit this is a favorite combo of mine every since my grandfather ordered 
his second to last car, a 1976 Ford LTD two door, white with tan leather and a 
tan, padded landau roof…with those opera windows of course. 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender in Reading

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Just have to get up there and get it

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> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
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> Perfect, assuming your labor is free.
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I have the under hood fire car that has updated rods
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> > wrote:
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>> > Great candidate car if all you need for your similar vehicle is 
>> > everything-but-an-engine.
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> Interesting
>> >>
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>> >> > What a deal!
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender in Reading

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Perfect, assuming your labor is free.

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have the under hood fire car that has updated rods
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Great candidate car if all you need for your similar vehicle is
> everything-but-an-engine.
> >
> >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> Interesting
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >> > On Apr 22, 2016, at 4:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > What a deal!
> >> >
> >> >
> http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/377321-350sdl-pennsylvania-nice-but-wont-start-project-car.html
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender in Reading

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have the under hood fire car that has updated rods

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> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Great candidate car if all you need for your similar vehicle is 
> everything-but-an-engine.
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Interesting
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Apr 22, 2016, at 4:26 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > What a deal!
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender in Reading

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great candidate car if all you need for your similar vehicle is
everything-but-an-engine.

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> Interesting
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > What a deal!
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender in Reading

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Interesting

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

What a deal!

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/mercedes-cars-sale/377321-350sdl-pennsylvania-nice-but-wont-start-project-car.html

Dan
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[MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[Craig]

On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain guides,
 several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff I don't
 remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from Mercedes.

I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the repairs.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[WILTON]

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they held the 
price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain guides,
several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff I don't
remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the repairs.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they held 
the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective timing 
chains from the early 1990s.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[WILTON]

MBUSA denied any and everything.  'Claimed poor maintenance, though I had 
history of all proper maintenance, oil changes, etc., done at stealer's 
prior to my purchase at 69/70 kmi.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}



WILTON wrote:
Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they held 
the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.


And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective 
timing chains from the early 1990s.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Chris James]

Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a Rod bender.
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
 I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

Chris James wrote:



If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a Rod bender.
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
 I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.



The only theory I know that explains the fact that #1 rod is almost always the 
first to fail is head gasket failure and oil going into cylinder #1.


OM601/602/603 always tended to get head gasket leaks at the front, the larger 
bore of the 350 seems to increase the likelihood of the oil going into the 
cylinder instead of outside the engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

'Never heard of chronic timing chain problem 'till it was mentioned on this 
list today.


Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs




Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a Rod bender.
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
 I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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MBCA Peachtree section
Past MB Models:
'85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs


'Never heard of chronic timing chain problem 'till it was mentioned on 
this list today.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs




Well, being outside the 4yr/50Kmi warranty.at least they paid
something. How disappointing to have that happen though.

Looking back, any warning/symptoms before the chain let go? I think the
defective chain TSB only covers Jul '92 - Apr '94 built models.

http://www.w124performance.com/docs/mb/OM60X/OM60x_Timing_Chain_TSB.pdf

If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a Rod bender.
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
 I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.


On 6/23/2013 12:07 PM, WILTON wrote:

Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they
held the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid
$2800.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday,
June 23, 2013 11:40 AM Subject: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re:
Any TDI folks here?}



On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 10:30:25 -0400 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi.  Replaced chain, chain
guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff
I don't remember.  Milled head.  Walt's has crate engine from
Mercedes.


I suppose that since it was at 79 kmi, Mercedes Benz paid for the
repairs.


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

That's what the word was at that time; no talk of bad chains then, though.

Wilton

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Chris James wrote:



If an original 3.5L OM603 engine has made it 20yrs/150Kmi and currently
has no issues, I would think it's safe to assume it not a Rod bender.
Many did have issues though (usually just outside of the warranty, IIRC)
 I'm not sure if a definite answer of why this was occurring has ever
been found out.



The only theory I know that explains the fact that #1 rod is almost always 
the first to fail is head gasket failure and oil going into cylinder #1.


OM601/602/603 always tended to get head gasket leaks at the front, the 
larger bore of the 350 seems to increase the likelihood of the oil going 
into the cylinder instead of outside the engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had the 
chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready to 
replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of itI 
must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect car except for 
the toasted engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Dan Penoff]

4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?

Dan


On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

 WILTON wrote:
 Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
 about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.
 
 Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?
 
 Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:
 
 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html
 
 Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had the 
 chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready to 
 replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of itI 
 must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect car except 
 for the toasted engine.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?


I think it's 6° for 61x and 3 or 4° for 60x.
I'd be real unhappy if my indy told me it wasn't worth replacing at the factory 
wear limit.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

No.  Asked indie to measure it; response when I asked what it was:  Oh, I 
forgot.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had 
the chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was ready 
to replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me out of 
itI must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. Perfect 
car except for the toasted engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs

[WILTON]

Indie tried to talk me out of replacing at 105+ kmi on the chain.  'Told 
'im, Original broke at 79 kmi; I don't trust it; replace it.


Wilton

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4 degrees seems like a lot of stretch.  What's the spec?

Dan


On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:06 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


WILTON wrote:
Well, maybe I did, though, 'didn't trust the one replaced at 79 kmi past 
about 100 kmi; did precautionary replacement at ~185 kmi on the car.


Any idea what the stretch was on it when it was replaced?

Found this comment on a '93 300D chain failure:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/203906-602-timing-chain-ever-see-one-break.html

Yep, mine (broke) this past weekend. 1993 300D 2.5 turbo. I actually had 
the chain inspected about 3 months ago (4 degrees of stretch). I was 
ready to replace it at the time, but my MB diesel specialist talked me 
out of itI must have really pissed someone off in a previous life. 
Perfect car except for the toasted engine.


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Re: [MBZ] Rod bender repairs [was: Re: Any TDI folks here?}

[Scott Ritchey]

You know, I love my 126 SD, I loved my 123 TD, and I wouldn't mind having a
124.  But I'm not sure I'd have a new MBZ, even for free.  IMO, reputation
was (and WAS is the operative word here) Mercedes' strongest asset.  One
story like this overrides hundreds of positive reports.  Major engine
failure with less than 200K miles is just unacceptable for a modern car with
scheduled maintenance.

But I'm sure MBUSA isn't interested in my opinion.

Scott
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MBUSA denied any and everything.  'Claimed poor maintenance, though I had 
history of all proper maintenance, oil changes, etc., done at stealer's 
prior to my purchase at 69/70 kmi.

Wilton

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 WILTON wrote:
 Your supposition is wrong.  MB paid half cost of parts, and they held 
 the price list, so you know how that went, don't you?  I paid $2800.

 And this was one of the admittedly (MBUSA did admit it, right?) defective 
 timing chains from the early 1990s.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender??

[LarryT]

Thx Gang  -- 
at the asking price I'll have to pass - especially since it would still be a 
crapshoot.


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Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net writes:


On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:54:56 -0500 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1547545749.html

With 228k mi it should either have a new engine or be burning oil by
now - right?


It ain't necessarily so ...


Yeah, IIRC Marshall said that they ALL would eventually fail.  Some
sooner, some later.

Here recently there's been the theory that the real cause of the bent
rods is hydrolocking caused by a leaking head gasket.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender??

[Craig McCluskey]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:54:56 -0500 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1547545749.html
 
 With 228k mi it should either have a new engine or be burning oil by
 now - right?

It ain't necessarily so ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender??

[Allan Streib]

Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net writes:

 On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 14:54:56 -0500 LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1547545749.html
 
 With 228k mi it should either have a new engine or be burning oil by
 now - right?

 It ain't necessarily so ...

Yeah, IIRC Marshall said that they ALL would eventually fail.  Some
sooner, some later.

Here recently there's been the theory that the real cause of the bent
rods is hydrolocking caused by a leaking head gasket.

Allan
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1983 300D

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[MBZ] Rod Bender??

[LarryT]

http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1547545749.html

With 228k mi it should either have a new engine or be burning oil by now - 
right?


Larry

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Re: [MBZ] rod bender

[tom savage]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that 
 person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with over 
 200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably not 
 going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the 
 rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods 
 beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not flawed?

I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers.

Tom,
Also feeling the pull of the 140

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Re: [MBZ] rod bender

[Redghost]

Either way you would need to update the rods unless the 200k car has  
already had the job done.  then I would get the higher mileage car.

Of course Rusty has great parts.

On 6 Sep 2007, at 20:14, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that
 person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with  
 over
 200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably  
 not
 going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the
 rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods
 beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not  
 flawed?
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Re: [MBZ] rod bender

[Tom Hargrave]

The ideal would be one that has a replacement MB engine installed.

The rods that Rusty sells should be the correct, stronger ones.

Tom
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that 
 person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with
over 
 200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably
not 
 going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the 
 rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods 
 beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not
flawed?

I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers.

Tom,
Also feeling the pull of the 140

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[MBZ] rod bender

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that 
person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with over 
200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably not 
going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the 
rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods 
beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not flawed?
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Marshall Booth]

Zeitgeist wrote:

There must be a cutoff date for many of those things to appear, because I
have an IP and turbo unit from a '90 or '91 603.97 engine, and none of their
functions operate differently than my 603.96 engine.  I'd be willing to bet
the W140 w/603.97 engined cars all have the newer systems in place.


The wastegate opens on '90s Mercedes diesels when there isn't proper EGR 
function or if there is excessive boost sensed at the intake manifold (I 
believe). In the '80s OM603.96 engines brought to the US the wastegate 
ONLY opened when boost pushed the wastegate open. LOTS of little 
differences. The computers are VERY different.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Zeitgeist]

That's probably the case for the vacuum/boost controls upstream of the
wastegate, but the version I have had a boost hose running directly from the
turbo to the wastegate, and it allowed me to run over 16 psi boost--that is,
before it began dumping copious amounts of oil into my exhaust stream (long
story - bad rebuild).  It's definitely a later model turbo because it
doesn't have the ARV incorporated into the inducer housing.   But like you
said, there are lots of little changes between the engine series.  I suspect
those challenges are easily overcome by determined DIY-types, but the
engines aren't direct drop-ins in any case.

On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The wastegate opens on '90s Mercedes diesels when there isn't proper EGR
function or if there is excessive boost sensed at the intake manifold (I
believe). In the '80s OM603.96 engines brought to the US the wastegate
ONLY opened when boost pushed the wastegate open. LOTS of little
differences. The computers are VERY different.

Casey

Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Mitch Haley]

Zeitgeist wrote:
 there are lots of little changes between the engine series.  I suspect
 those challenges are easily overcome by determined DIY-types, but the
 engines aren't direct drop-ins in any case.

I'm reasonably sure the long blocks are interchangeable.
You either move the entire engine  wiring harness (if going 126 to 126)
or pull the IPs, manifolds, etc, and keep everything with the car but
the engine. All those bits are newer on the 350 anyway, no need to
replace them with 1987 parts.

[MBZ] Rod Bender

[Roger Conlon]

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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Marshall Booth]

Roger Conlon wrote:


Would a 87 300SDL motor drop into one of these 90-91 350SDL cars
with out any modifications?


NO!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Zeitgeist]

Other than the slightly different glowplug system, I'm at a loss to think of
too many reasons why a .96 can't be substituted for a .97  If I came upon a
good deal for one of those rigs, that's exactly what I'd do.  But then
again, I'd rather stick with the E-class anyway.

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NO!

Marshall



Casey
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Marshall Booth]

Zeitgeist wrote:

Other than the slightly different glowplug system, I'm at a loss to think of
too many reasons why a .96 can't be substituted for a .97  If I came upon a
good deal for one of those rigs, that's exactly what I'd do.  But then
again, I'd rather stick with the E-class anyway.


The preglow system is different (not any big deal at all), the computer 
control is different, the EGR control is different, the wastegate is 
controlled differently, The ignition/fuel shutoff is electrical rather 
than just vacuum. There are LOTS of little things that MUST be 
addressed. They can probably all be solved, but it isn't a slip-in 
exchange.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Rod Bender

[Zeitgeist]

There must be a cutoff date for many of those things to appear, because I
have an IP and turbo unit from a '90 or '91 603.97 engine, and none of their
functions operate differently than my 603.96 engine.  I'd be willing to bet
the W140 w/603.97 engined cars all have the newer systems in place.

On 7/19/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The preglow system is different (not any big deal at all), the computer
control is different, the EGR control is different, the wastegate is
controlled differently, The ignition/fuel shutoff is electrical rather
than just vacuum. There are LOTS of little things that MUST be
addressed. They can probably all be solved, but it isn't a slip-in
exchange.



Casey
Olympia, WA
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'87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k)
'84 300D (214k)
Gashuffer:
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