Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Will it go rancid? RB On 28/07/2015 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote: Try mixing acetone with vegetable oil. Acetone has both polar (water soluble) and non-polar characteristics IIRC, but it's basically polar. Mineral oil is non-polar. Vegetable oil is polar or partly polar IIRC. Therefore, vegetable oil should more easily mix with vegetable oil than mineral oil. Note about WD-40: I have about a half gallon of liquid WD-40 left. In my experience it doesn't work as well as WD-40 in pressurized cans. This is why I use WD-40 or Blaster in pressure cans. Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily penetrate corrosion? Liquid WD-40 is good for soaking small parts that can be immersed in it. Gerry . My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? RB You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender oil. Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff. Likely you neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4401/10327 - Release Date: 07/28/15 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Randy wrote: My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? I don't know. I'm agitating the bucket a couple times a day to keep stuff mixed. I have done very little with transmission fluid and acetone. I usually use Kroil - but I didn't want to use a gallon to allow the chain to soak. I figured just transmission fluid would do what I needed and put the acetone in just to help it out. It's probably all evaporated by now anyway - the closed bucket isn't _that_ air tight. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Try mixing acetone with vegetable oil. Acetone has both polar (water soluble) and non-polar characteristics IIRC, but it's basically polar. Mineral oil is non-polar. Vegetable oil is polar or partly polar IIRC. Therefore, vegetable oil should more easily mix with vegetable oil than mineral oil. Note about WD-40: I have about a half gallon of liquid WD-40 left. In my experience it doesn't work as well as WD-40 in pressurized cans. This is why I use WD-40 or Blaster in pressure cans. Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily penetrate corrosion? Liquid WD-40 is good for soaking small parts that can be immersed in it. Gerry . My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? RB You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender oil. Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff. Likely you neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4401/10327 - Release Date: 07/28/15 -- arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
archer75--- wrote: Note about WD-40: In my experience [liquid] doesn't work as well as WD-40 in pressurized cans. Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily penetrate corrosion? It could, I guess. The carrier is a light, volatile that I suppose could wick into tight spaces. I have never tested it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Yeah, in that case the sand might not be the best thing to tumble it in. ;-) Manfred Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:18:27 -0500 From: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain. Think bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_. It is only slightly rusty. At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement and got the chain flexing well. My objective is to get oil into the joints so they will move - probably will require some elbow grease. I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit and the block. Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist. The roller chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and long lasting. Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it sure looks like it could lift triple that. The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Randy wrote: My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? Curly wrote: You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender oil. Randy wrote: I was soaking something (don't recall what) and had it sitting in a can full of the goop. Couldn't shake it and stirring did not keep the acetone mixed in for long. On a big job like the chain refered to earlier, one would maybe want a pail with a tight lid and some device to keep it shook up a bit. I have it in a 5-gallon bucket with the lid on. This lid has a pour spout and I have a piece of tape over the pour vent hole. To agitate, I just shake and or rock the whole bucket. Continuous agitation would probably be good. Maybe some if I annoy some trans genders with politically wrong comments about the fluid I could get them agitated enough they could agitate the bucket. Or maybe not... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:23:21 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Heh. I have a 1-ton link-chain hoist that operates with a chain loop rather than a lever. Much more convenient than a level hoist if the hoist is way up there. And the 1-ton is smaller and lighter. I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles* Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m]. Insulated, of course. And with a 6 slab and a hoist, of course. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI
I forget, does washing soda and electricity cause hydrogen embrittlement? Seems like I remember somebody telling me I ruined a rusty Estwing by electrolysis. It does, supposedly, but the effect is temporary. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Fmiser wrote: I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles* Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m]. Insulated, of course. Exactly! Now that you have the hoist, you need to build the barn to use it in. The unintended consequences are that you then get a shop and a place to store your fleet and maybe even parts cars in! At least that is how you sell it to SWMBO May as well go for 60 x 100... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
fmiser wrote I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! MG wrote: If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't really get any rust off. The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain. Think bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_. It is only slightly rusty. At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement and got the chain flexing well. My objective is to get oil into the joints so they will move - probably will require some elbow grease. I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit and the block. Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist. The roller chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and long lasting. Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it sure looks like it could lift triple that. The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
I have one of those units and it works fairly well. It is a bit sticky on the reversing lever and requires a little finesse. Probably needs to be cleaned and lubed too. Don't use it much but it is there when we need it. I think the last use was to remove a small block Chevy engien from a boat. I also have a similar unit with normal chain links rather than the roller chain. That one is here at home and the roller chain unit is in the garage at the lake. I inherited both as my father was always working on something and accumulated a lot of this sort of thing. I think there is also a chain block setup hanging in the garage and a big rope block and tackle setup as well. My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? RB On 28/07/2015 4:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: fmiser wrote I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! MG wrote: If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't really get any rust off. The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain. Think bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_. It is only slightly rusty. At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement and got the chain flexing well. My objective is to get oil into the joints so they will move - probably will require some elbow grease. I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit and the block. Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist. The roller chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and long lasting. Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it sure looks like it could lift triple that. The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
Fmiser wrote: Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. Curly wrote: You can use it to pull engines under a tree limb or under a truss in your steel shed or under an A frame you built. Heh. I have a 1-ton link-chain hoist that operates with a chain loop rather than a lever. Much more convenient than a level hoist if the hoist is way up there. And the 1-ton is smaller and lighter. I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles* Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m]. Insulated, of course. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
On 28/07/2015 4:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? RB You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender oil. Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff. Likely you neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES! ___ I think I just needed it to be in a container with a lid so that I could shake it. I was soaking something (don't recall what) and had it sitting in a can full of the goop. Couldn't shake it and stirring did not keep the acetone mixed in for long. On a big job like the chain refered to earlier, one would maybe want a pail with a tight lid and some device to keep it shook up a bit. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain. Think bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_. It is only slightly rusty. At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement and got the chain flexing well. My objective is to get oil into the joints so they will move - probably will require some elbow grease. I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit and the block. Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist. The roller chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and long lasting. Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it sure looks like it could lift triple that. The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879 You can use it to pull engines under a tree limb or under a truss in your steel shed or under an A frame you built. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together. Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients? RB You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender oil. Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff. Likely you neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
PB Blaster I have found to be pretty good at getting rusty things losened then you can go at them with other stuff. --R (who knows he suggested acetone/transgender fluid so I am not a looser) On 7/28/15 5:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: fmiser wrote I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! MG wrote: If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't really get any rust off. The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain. Think bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_. It is only slightly rusty. At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement and got the chain flexing well. My objective is to get oil into the joints so they will move - probably will require some elbow grease. I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit and the block. Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully operational. I don't know what I'm going to do with the monster then. It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist. The roller chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and long lasting. Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it sure looks like it could lift triple that. The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI
On July 27, 2015 at 2:42 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is your chain rusty? You could try the electrolysis method to get it clean and shiny again I forget, does washing soda and electricity cause hydrogen embrittlement? Seems like I remember somebody telling me I ruined a rusty Estwing by electrolysis. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:05:57 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan wrote: I removed the release handle and found that the cable was disconnected. I reconnected it, only to now have a release handle that sticks out of the dash 2-3, and still doesn't release the parking brake, which also continues not to latch. Mitch wrote: It sounds to me like something is stuck, and it's ALWAYS releasing the parking brake. Kinda what I was thinking archer75--- wrote: Nothing has been said about solvents such as Blaster or WD-40. I squirt everything remotely connected to a system with WD-40 first since the smell goes away faster. Too bad it doesn't work very well. If that doesn't work, I use stinking PB Blaster and repeat the process. Been doing that ever since ...Eveready (circa 1940s-50s) was the favorite solvent which was far better than any of the stuff available nowadays. Have you tried Kroil/Arokroil? Or automatic transmission fluid and acetone? G: Tried both. I have a collection of nearly every similar solvent. I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! G: That will be interesting. If that doesn't work, you might try Rust-eater (or some similar name) at Autozone. You can see the dissolved rust coming out of the joints. Gerry ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil
If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't really get any rust off. Manfred -- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:05:57 -0500 From: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
Tom wrote: Mercedes still does, in the G, M, GL, and R-Class. MB sez MB Power Steering Fluid MB Part No. BQ 1 46 0001 or an approved Dexron III ATF The difference being that you pay more for the lack of red dye in the MB stuff. The rest of the current lineup requires Pentosin CHF 11S, which fully synthetic, expensive, and definitely not ATF. My wife's ford also takes ATF in the power steering fluid AND BMW's have the same setup as BMW. In a lot of them, it takes power steering fluid OR ATF, except when it has the hydraulic self leveling suspension, then it takes the Pentostin 11S. My car takes the Pentosin stuff. That stuff is VERY EXPENSIVE. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
Walt Zarnoch wrote: I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if i can remember which. Mercedes still does, in the G, M, GL, and R-Class. MB sez MB Power Steering Fluid MB Part No. BQ 1 46 0001 or an approved Dexron III ATF The difference being that you pay more for the lack of red dye in the MB stuff. The rest of the current lineup requires Pentosin CHF 11S, which fully synthetic, expensive, and definitely not ATF. Tom ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
I think it was half/half. --R LWB250 wrote: I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew. I couldn't recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my memory? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
Hmmm. I like the idea of acetone/ATF. Very redneck. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think it was half/half. --R LWB250 wrote: I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew. I couldn't recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my memory? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
I just do an approx 50:50 mix. The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so don't make more than you plan to use. Unless you have an airtight (probably metal or something the acetone won't eat) container. Allan On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew. I couldn't recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my memory? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if i can remember which. Must try this magic concoction on my truck, see if it can prevent more broken off bolts... Even PB seems to not cut the mustard... Is it thin enough to run through one of those Harbor Freight refillible spray cans? Walt On Jan 15, 2010 8:23 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually it was power steering fluid, not ATF. Personally, I can't imagine there's a lot of difference between the two (ATF PSF). http://sterkel.org/papers/vintage/Testing_Penetrating_Oils.pdf Dan --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Anthony Galioto agali...@gmail.com wrote: From: Anthony Galioto agali...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:59 PM Here is the original test AG Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone ATF
The caution: Acetone evaporates quickly. You must keep your brew in a sealed container, or you will end up with just atf over time. Here is the original test AG Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I just do an approx 50:50 mix. The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so don't make more than you plan to use. Unless you have an airtight (probably metal or something the acetone won't eat) container. Allan On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew. I couldn't recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my memory? Thanks, Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Walt Zarnoch wrote: I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if i can remember which. MBZ back when my W116 was built. In fact, I think that applies to every Benz with a v-belt on the pump. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Walt Zarnoch wrote: I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if i can remember which. MBZ back when my W116 was built. In fact, I think that applies to every Benz with a v-belt on the pump. Volkswagen also, at least back in the 1980s-90s -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No you can buy acetone at any paint store or most hardware stores. Allan On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or something else? Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines. Had no trouble with them at all. Allan -- 1983 300D On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091 015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I was learning to wrench on rusty air-cooled VW's in Wisconsin, Liquid WRENCH didn't seem to work very well (but the blue wrench was a lifesaver). The other trick that worked if you had the clearance was to deeply grove one face of the rusted nut with a cold chisel, grove aligned with stud axis. This was a great way to expand the nut a little and break the rust bond. Thusly one could avoid twisting off the studs holding the muffler to the heads. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:54 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Thanks Larry, Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 5/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list actually works the best by far! My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off without the PB Blaster. Tyler LarryT wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
I am in the process of rebuilding the climate control servo for the wife's '79 300TD. I have 2 servos from which I hope to make one good one. The good upper unit, which houses the gear train has a machine screw sheared off at the surface of the plastic housing. Who knew that about 1/4 of screw threads in the plastic would hold well enough to shear an 8X32 screw (even AFTER soaking with PB Blaster!)? Drilling it out did not seem like a good option because of the softness of the surrounding plastic, nor is the blue wrench usable. Battery acid didn't do much. My next try is a saturated solution of alum with an overnight soak. I have read reports that this will dissolve steel, and I know it won't hurt the plastic. If anyone has an interest, I'll report how it turns out! Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300TD (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics '97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:41 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996 Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/19 faea12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I got the info from another list (MGB) - you saw all I saw. I also wish there were some ASTM testing stadards for something like this but I don't recall any. That doesn't mean much though - I was interested in valves and piping and other stuff used in nuclear submarines. Rust wasn't normally a problem - Wish I knew more - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so --- On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Found this on a MGB list I'm on. Don't know how scientific it is but it seems convincing. Here's some interesting comparisons on penetrating oils. Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a scientifically rusted environment. *Penetrating Oil and Average Load* Nothing. 516 pounds WD-40... 238 pounds PB Blaster 214 pounds Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds Kano Kroil... 106 pounds ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds The ATF-Acetone mix was a home brew mix of 50-50 automatic transmission fluid and acetone. Note the home brew was better than any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that Liquid Wrench is about as good as Kroil for about 20% of the price. Take care - Larryt 74 911 91 300D -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/af22da18/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair
Alum should remove the screw, or at least corrode it enough to get it loose. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
