Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Well... Actually I was referring to a different hill, the turnpike over in Hornell. However, I bet you're thinking of Smith Hill by my house and yeah, that one is pretty similar. Actually, it's a bit steeper/shorter, but you can get going 60mph+ at the bottom, so if I'm careful I can hold almost 40mph through there. (: Levi On 6/21/06, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know the hill he is talking about..A 300D could use another 50hp on that thing.Nowhere to gain any speed and keep it as the really fun twisties are pretty , well twisty. Oh and did he mention it is freakin step? My old 240D would get 15mph up most of itBBBLLLAAAIII fast. Mike - Original Message - From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking it's under 20 seconds. It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat surface. The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds. This particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep. And if there weren't a tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could probably hold a faster speed if I could get up there. But since I can't get going more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it. It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent) (I've got a speedo out of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine). I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. Is there one set of directions that are the best to use? Levi On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? Ours hauls our camper around, and/or the car trailer. Also anything heavy (such as a 2600# generator) that I acquire any distance away. (Heinously ratty local stuff I use the rusted-out Chevy pickup for.) Rarely used for just driving around, we have much more efficient vehicles around for that. -- Jim
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with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Early 6.0's are just filled with lemony goodness. I believe they are still prone to coolant system erosion if not properly taken care of. Ford does make a nice truck, but they seem to have some serious engine design problems. (I'm told with the Ford component of the design mix, not the Navistar parts.) And they stonewall, so you have to keep your ear to the ground. As far as engines go, I've never heard of the Chevy engines being particularly problem-prone, nor the Dodge. Ford has had a disproportionate share of engine flaws. However, the 24V Cummins is extremely prone to IP damage if the fuel pump and/or filter fails. $2-3k when that happens, and of the four people I know personally who own them, all four are on their second injection pump. Put a fuel pressure gauge on these, and treat it like an oil pressure gauge. My 12V is not prone to this problem, nor (I believe) is the latest common-rail engine. -- Jim
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What kind of mileage will the cummins turn in? Unloaded and with the taller gears, 20+. I can get 25-26 out of mine unloaded, on stock tires at about 58 MPH. My dad's 04 beats 20 if he keeps the speed down a bit. My worst was 9, camper on, wife driving, floored into a headwind. (Rear tire wear was also significant on that trip.) Usually get 13-14 with the camper. What years to watch out for, which are best? Pre-96 have rotary fuel pump, less durable. 96-98.5 have inline pump, very durable. 98.5+ have rotary pump, very sensitive to low fuel pressure, are destroyed by it. 03+ are common-rail, dunno much about them. HP increased stepwise year by year. What about the tranny? Have they got that problem fixed yet? I believe so, new trucks are pretty durable. Tranny (either) is the weak sister of the drive train, up to fairly recently. -- Jim
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There were a few years in there where a killer dowel pin can come off inside the timing cover and obliterate the engine. It could be fixed by welding a tab over the pin or possibly removing it. I'm not sure if this applies to the 24V engines from 1998.5 to 2002 or the latest generation common rail injection engines. The KDP cracks the timing case, no obliteration. Engine generally continues to run unaffected, but leaks oil badly. Spendy to fix, a lot of labor involved. I think the common-rail engines are immune, but everything prior is somewhat at risk. (Think cracked 603 head.) -- Jim
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Well, I'd say run, don't walk from the 2003 6.0, it took them a while to sort it out. The 7.3 never did get sorted out, the cause of cackle and knock was the way Ford dead-ended the fuel rails without any way for air to return to the tank, it stayed in the rails until it went through an injector. The Navistar 444 had a pressure accumulator on the fuel rail, and excess fuel went through the rails in the heads and back to the tank. I thought the real problem was 'water hammer' due to the opening and closing of the injectors from a solid metal fuel chamber. Standing pressure waves and all that crap, no place for it to go. #7 and #8 fire adjacently from the same bank, the waves from #7 had not dampened by the time #8 had to fire. For awhile Ford played with a special #8 injector. Really poor design IMHO. Ford's better idea I guess, and not Navistar's fault. The 6.0 was plagued by fuel injectors that leaked fuel down into the crankcase. Lots of fuel, resulting in oil dilution and engine damage. -- Jim
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but they seem to have some serious engine design problems. (I'm told with the Ford component of the design mix, not the Navistar parts.) And they stonewall, so you have to keep your ear to the ground. Since I've been intending on replacing my manny tranny truck with an auto-equipped one, I BRIEFLY thought about going with the Ford 6.0 PSD/torqueshift auto crewcab to replace my '03 Dodge Cummins 6spd Quadcab. Those in my family that drive it either prefer to drive automatics or, in the case of my sister-in-law, can't use the clutch pedal due to a bad knee. I ended up going with another common rail Cummins in a 2006 model. I know it'll get about 20MPG highway where the manny tranny truck got 23MPG. It's a fine engine. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
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The KDP cracks the timing case, no obliteration. Engine generally continues to run unaffected, but leaks oil badly. Spendy to fix, a lot of labor involved. I knew that it obliterated something, much of one's budget! Of course, anytime a vehicle is in the shop at $85-100/Hr, things add up in a hurry! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
SoIf I pick up the 240D 4spd and a 300D say around 85(I know where one is.) there is a way to combine the two? I assume the bolt pattern for the bellhousing is the same between the two engines? Flywheel from the 240 will go on the 5cyl.? No balancing issues? I heard that each flywheel is balanced to it's engine is this true? Thanks, Mike - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:50:51 -0500 Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! There were discussions on the list back in 2001 - 2002 (when it was run by Richard Sexton) about the subject. The best guess why Mercedes didn't do it was that the load and rpm drop during a shift would cause the turbo to slow down, causing a drop in power until it spooled back up. There is also a possibility that the emissions were made worse by the combination. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Well, I haven't officially clocked the 0-60mph time, but I'm thinking it's under 20 seconds. It certainly doesn't feel REAL slow on a flat surface. The only time it's a problem is catching the big hills at slow speeds. This particular hill is probably something like a 600-800' rise over a little more than a mile, so I would call it pretty steep. And if there weren't a tight turn with parked cars which is in town at the bottom, I could probably hold a faster speed if I could get up there. But since I can't get going more than maybe 35mph, that's as fast as I can hold it. It certainly seems to be revving high enough in 1st, it's something like 4500rpm when it shifts... (the tach is intermittent) (I've got a speedo out of a late 70's 300D, so the gear notches aren't the same as mine). I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. Is there one set of directions that are the best to use? Levi On 6/21/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, then either my 83' 300D is an odd combination or there's some other reason, 'cause when it shifts from 1st to second, it definitely drops out of the turbo's range. I've got a hill that sucks, 'cause it will rev right up through 1st no problem, but as soon as it hits second it will *almost* hold its own at about 30-35mph, but generally drops back to first gear, and repeats. (depending on whether I engage the drop-down and/or if the A/C is on.) Personally I would much rather have a stick... It certainly couldn't be any worse shifting. (: Something sounds wrong. How's the 0-60 time? Your ALDA may need a bit of a tweak to gain back a bit of low-RPM torque that has been lost due to spring fade (inside IP) and the general debility of age. Is the shift from 1-2 at around the correct RPM? (Not too much lower, when floored, than the single orange pip on the speedometer scale.) It should take a heck of a hill to faze the 120 HP of a correctly running OM617A in second gear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am tempted to take a look at the Alda though. I've heard it mentioned lots of times, but I've never gotten around to actually figuring out where it is (I know it's more or less on the back of the IP) and how exactly to go about adjusting it. It has a hose coming out of it that goes to a dingus on the firewall, and thence to the intake manifold. There's a setscrew on top, it may be protected with a tear-off metal cap. One loosens the nut and adjusts the screw maybe 1/4-1/2 turn CCW at a time. Then drive it and see how it acts. -- Jim
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yea, thats one of the main reasons I dont like my single cab. I have a big tool box in the back though. Been thinking about getting one of those hard cover deals that lock, you can keep stuff in it then. Curt Raymond wrote: '96 Dodge Dakota v8 extended cab, purchase price $16k in '99. 190k miles on it now. You ever spend much time driving a single cab pickup? The biggest problem is that theres no place to put stuff that can't live in the bed. We take the Dakota to camp where its the primary mover off stuff, we also use it to haul snowmobiles around. The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. The Dakota regularly gets around 18mpg which is interestingly the same as my friends with v6 Dakota's report. I know, real men only need an overnight bag but the wife wants clothes for every condition and I can't imagine if we had kids. That said the Dakota replacement is likely to be a fullsize single cab with a cap tall enough to fit snowmobiles under. The newer fullsize singlecabs get decent mileage. If I can find one for a reasonable price I'll get a little Toyota but that'd have to be an extended cab, not enough space in the bed for a snowmobile and luggage... -Curt Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:02:44 -0400 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. *SNIP* - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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yea, true David Brodbeck wrote: John Berryman wrote: On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. What about putting a cap on it? That's fine, unless you're planning on hauling a 5th wheel. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
At some time fairly close to Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:00:48 -0400, rumor has it that Mike wrote: Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. There's no reason not to put a manual transmission behind a 5 cyl turbo. Especially if your doing a major engine shuffle like that! --Philip, thinking that turbo + manual transmisssion = good idea!
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If you keep an eye on some of the truck sites, those things show up used fairly regularly for around a grand or less., still cheaper than buying a new truck. -Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, if you want to spend about 4k on one of those. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Well, the burb probably dogs out due to the rear end ratio. The trick to compensate for that is to get one of those gear vendors over/underdrive units. you will get an extra overdrive for highway cruising and get even better fuel milage when not loaded down , but when towing you can effectively put it in direct and under ( in reality, the gear below and over ) to lower the final drive ratio and give you all the pulling oomph you need. --Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well the 1 ton 6.5 td doesnt even know there is a car on a trailer back there, but the burb 6.2 diesel is kind of slow, but gets the job done and gets a little better mileage. Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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any recomendation for a truck site that something like this may show up one, or, what sort of ebay search would yield said piece of equipment? Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: If you keep an eye on some of the truck sites, those things show up used fairly regularly for around a grand or less., still cheaper than buying a new truck. -Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, if you want to spend about 4k on one of those. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Well, the burb probably dogs out due to the rear end ratio. The trick to compensate for that is to get one of those gear vendors over/underdrive units. you will get an extra overdrive for highway cruising and get even better fuel milage when not loaded down , but when towing you can effectively put it in direct and under ( in reality, the gear below and over ) to lower the final drive ratio and give you all the pulling oomph you need. --Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well the 1 ton 6.5 td doesnt even know there is a car on a trailer back there, but the burb 6.2 diesel is kind of slow, but gets the job done and gets a little better mileage. Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?
The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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the 6.5 is a good engine. Its only real weakness is the IP and electronic controller, neither of which is real expensive to replace. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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They use mechanical injection in the Hummer and there is no electronics not even a turbo The 6.5 they use is normally aspirated Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:16:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? the 6.5 is a good engine. Its only real weakness is the IP and electronic controller, neither of which is real expensive to replace. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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rumor has it that Mike wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL All that needs is a Cummins BT4 and it'd be perfect! -- Philip, who admires those old Powerwagons
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rumor has it that Kaleb wrote: Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that if I do sell my truck and get something different Im just going to get one of them car hauling ramp trucks, with the long 20' or whatever flat bed on the back. That way I could haul 2 cars if I wanted to and it will still be cheaper in the end. The advantage of a trailer is the engine isn't attached. Thus you can drop it, switch to a different truck to tow it, buy a new truck to tow it, etc. -- Philip, who likes trailers
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When you think about it there isn't one of these diesel trucks that won't spend time in a shop. I had over 150,000 on my 01 Duramax and never had any problems with it. Some people just don't realize you can't just drive these things and expect nothing to break or go bad. A diesel engine requires maintainence just like any other vehicle. If you want a real hard core diesel engine buy a Cat Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:41:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? A powerstroke make walk all over the 6.5, but the 6.5 is MUCH cheaper and easier to work on. Has plenty of power for my needs Mike Canfield wrote: Durajunk..If you want a truck in the shop all the time go ahead and buy one. I speak from experience, not mine personally but that of a close friend who is a GM diehard and has suffered through 4 of the junks. The GM diesel I refer to the powerchoke walking all over is the 6.5. I do have to agree the Chebbie is the most comfortable ride of the 3. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Kind of why I have my VW with all wheel drive, its cheaper to run than a suv and just as unstoppable as any of them in the snow. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:41:42 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 08:02:44PM -0400, John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Have three. One is the infamous powerchoke (96 F250 extended cab 4x4), one is a dead 88? chevy K30 crew cab dually (6.2/automatic), one is a dead 79 dodge D300 club cab dually (440/automatic). In addition to dragging dead cars all over the place, the truck is used for hauling stuff for the house, and pulling travel trailers. The two duallies were meant to eventually replace the F250 as duallies cure a lot of evils on windy mountain roads with a big heavy trailer. The F250 is equipped with a locker, and is backup for the jeep cherokee as a trail/off road rig. Club cabs/extended cabs are handy for keeping your gear inside and dry if you don't have a shell. I rarely have less than two people ride with me when I have a travel trailer hooked up, so the extra seatbelts don't go unused. How about a second list for SUVs? Two eagle wagons (unstoppable in snow), two 70's jeep cherokees (used for four wheeling, and snow duty since the eagles have been off the road). California doesn't use salt (anymore, for now). K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is a turbo version in the hummer also. From what I have been told you want to avoid those though as the turbo sits right against the head and causes them to crack. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They use mechanical injection in the Hummer and there is no electronics not even a turbo The 6.5 they use is normally aspirated Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:16:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? the 6.5 is a good engine. Its only real weakness is the IP and electronic controller, neither of which is real expensive to replace. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Here's one of the chebby diesel sites that stays pretty active http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/index.php This site here has a gear vendors listed in the classifieds section for $1500 with a turbo 400 tranny adapter http://www.thedieselpage.com/ There are a bunch of other sites, but I can't remember which ones are worth fooling with, just do a search. I just had a few links from when I was truck shopping a while back. on ebay just search gear vendors or laycock ( gear vendors uses a Laycock overdrive unit very similar to the ones used on Volvos in the 70-80's and british cars going way back. it's a little stouter unit, but many parts interchange ) -Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: any recomendation for a truck site that something like this may show up one, or, what sort of ebay search would yield said piece of equipment? Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: If you keep an eye on some of the truck sites, those things show up used fairly regularly for around a grand or less., still cheaper than buying a new truck. -Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, if you want to spend about 4k on one of those. Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: Well, the burb probably dogs out due to the rear end ratio. The trick to compensate for that is to get one of those gear vendors over/underdrive units. you will get an extra overdrive for highway cruising and get even better fuel milage when not loaded down , but when towing you can effectively put it in direct and under ( in reality, the gear below and over ) to lower the final drive ratio and give you all the pulling oomph you need. --Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well the 1 ton 6.5 td doesnt even know there is a car on a trailer back there, but the burb 6.2 diesel is kind of slow, but gets the job done and gets a little better mileage. Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Only the civilian version of the H1 uses a turbo. The military version is normally aspirated due to the reliability of the turbo in harsh conditions Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 00:02:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? There is a turbo version in the hummer also. From what I have been told you want to avoid those though as the turbo sits right against the head and causes them to crack. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They use mechanical injection in the Hummer and there is no electronics not even a turbo The 6.5 they use is normally aspirated Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:16:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? the 6.5 is a good engine. Its only real weakness is the IP and electronic controller, neither of which is real expensive to replace. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Until you figure in the special high priced insurance for a vehicle designed to haul cars. Rollbacks and wreckers are way high. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think that if I do sell my truck and get something different Im just going to get one of them car hauling ramp trucks, with the long 20' or whatever flat bed on the back. That way I could haul 2 cars if I wanted to and it will still be cheaper in the end. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:46 PM, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: there's no way I'd even consider dropping 30 grand on a pickup truck, you could buy a used semi with a small engine and convert it to an rv for a whole lot less money and get better fuel milage ) --Robert It just baffles me how many people shell-out the big bucks and launch their boat 3 times a year and then just drive it to work every day. Same folks are pissin' and moanin' about fuel prices. Makes no cents to me. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HAHAHAHA.The gear vendors overdrive costs more than a 6.2 Burban is worth. Mike - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? Well, the burb probably dogs out due to the rear end ratio. The trick to compensate for that is to get one of those gear vendors over/underdrive units. you will get an extra overdrive for highway cruising and get even better fuel milage when not loaded down , but when towing you can effectively put it in direct and under ( in reality, the gear below and over ) to lower the final drive ratio and give you all the pulling oomph you need. --Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well the 1 ton 6.5 td doesnt even know there is a car on a trailer back there, but the burb 6.2 diesel is kind of slow, but gets the job done and gets a little better mileage. Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You're right..She lives in a 4 mile long town.All flat from her house to the store. Pitiful! Mike - Original Message - From: kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? only left the house to buy a bottle of water. Heck, it cost her more to drive that BEAST to the store than it did to purchase the water bottle! She should get a bike and save some $$! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny 2003 Dodge Quad Cab Cummins Diesel pickup, 25K miles, THE TRUCK! side-by-side recumbent tandem bike (gets the best mileage of them all)! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And you think the H1 has enough power with the 6.5 The Hummer is a DOG with that engine. Seems the military would be smart enough by now to use a Cummins. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? The 6.5 is anything but light duty. After all these years of being the engine of choice for a H1 Hummer it can take a beating and still keep going. Even with a 7.62mm AK round in the engine block Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:47:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 10:09:34PM -0500, Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. I smack talk my powerchoke all the time, since I really wanted a truck with a real injector pump and without all the electronics. Dead stock, it'll leave a cummins when climbing a hill, and both the cumminses and I will be laughing at the bowtie garbage at the bottom of the hill. The cummins has a narrower powerband which will hurt you with an automatic. For all of its electronics, the powerchoke has been rock solid reliable for over a quarter of a million miles, and with a locker, automatic, and 33s, still gets over 20 mpg on the highway with no mods. This said, the aforementioned K30 is going to get a cummins transplanted into it since the 6.2 isn't heavy duty enough and the 6.5 is a waste of my time. Both were designed as light duty engines, whereas the cummins and powerstroke were designed as medium duty engines. I have worked on Isuzu medium duty engines before, and that coupled with all the electronics on the duramax, I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole. K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. Mike - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? rumor has it that Mike wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL All that needs is a Cummins BT4 and it'd be perfect! -- Philip, who admires those old Powerwagons ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OK.Tell that to my friend who had his last (2005) in the shop more than he drove it. 3 days after the 06 arrived it was leaving the driveway on a hook because it left him stuck in the middle of the road with a loaded trailer when it just quit. Same problem that wouldn't go away in the 05. Let's see..All of the front brakes had to be replaced under warranty due to them chattering at 10K miles, engine ran when it wanted, tranny would shift well MOST of the time, electronic 4wd control box went bad at 12K miles locking the t-case in 4 lo and got 17MPG empty at 55MPH. LOTS of power though. More power than you could likely use in a pickup. Too bad you can't use all of that power in the shop. By the way these trucks are METICULOUSLY maintained and driven very easily. Dealership told him that he takes too good of care of the trucks that's why he has troubleNice thing to tell an irate $50K truck owner. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? When you think about it there isn't one of these diesel trucks that won't spend time in a shop. I had over 150,000 on my 01 Duramax and never had any problems with it. Some people just don't realize you can't just drive these things and expect nothing to break or go bad. A diesel engine requires maintainence just like any other vehicle. If you want a real hard core diesel engine buy a Cat Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:41:29 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? A powerstroke make walk all over the 6.5, but the 6.5 is MUCH cheaper and easier to work on. Has plenty of power for my needs Mike Canfield wrote: Durajunk..If you want a truck in the shop all the time go ahead and buy one. I speak from experience, not mine personally but that of a close friend who is a GM diehard and has suffered through 4 of the junks. The GM diesel I refer to the powerchoke walking all over is the 6.5. I do have to agree the Chebbie is the most comfortable ride of the 3. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http
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yea, could be. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Only the civilian version of the H1 uses a turbo. The military version is normally aspirated due to the reliability of the turbo in harsh conditions Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Im not talking about a rollback or a wrecker. Even if it was a rollback or wrecker, if its not for hire the insurance is no different than any other car. Mike Canfield wrote: Until you figure in the special high priced insurance for a vehicle designed to haul cars. Rollbacks and wreckers are way high. Mike -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Dr Dan has a hummer, real hummer. Doesnt seem like a dog to me. It does what its designed to do. Not cruise down the highway at 80 Mike Canfield wrote: And you think the H1 has enough power with the 6.5 The Hummer is a DOG with that engine. Seems the military would be smart enough by now to use a Cummins. Mike -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
'96 Dodge Dakota v8 extended cab, purchase price $16k in '99. 190k miles on it now. You ever spend much time driving a single cab pickup? The biggest problem is that theres no place to put stuff that can't live in the bed. We take the Dakota to camp where its the primary mover off stuff, we also use it to haul snowmobiles around. The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. The Dakota regularly gets around 18mpg which is interestingly the same as my friends with v6 Dakota's report. I know, real men only need an overnight bag but the wife wants clothes for every condition and I can't imagine if we had kids. That said the Dakota replacement is likely to be a fullsize single cab with a cap tall enough to fit snowmobiles under. The newer fullsize singlecabs get decent mileage. If I can find one for a reasonable price I'll get a little Toyota but that'd have to be an extended cab, not enough space in the bed for a snowmobile and luggage... -Curt Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 20:02:44 -0400 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. *SNIP* - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 14:27:45 2006 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.171]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsKjB-0007Fy-Kx for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:45 + Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q2so2631964uge for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=QwLeLeyACO1x8Q0pA1HZccSTg1yi556rupH1vY3pbr0wxY+g/RFUkikoeS/huWjXNEIYWAe1J+bh9maOJISsutVwViqRvlLiu4x6AIpjqSc6IK3+6qsh8w8sjVVbv+D4NA6HIf8vqG9Io3yy5XrfrPPZAQKg8DKKF0JYiLVopTo= Received: by 10.78.69.7 with SMTP id r7mr2132262hua; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.12 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:27:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:27:39 -0400 From: Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] AC Compressor issue? X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:27:45 - OK, so my 83' 300D didn't have any R134 left in it when I tried it this spring. I put in a few cans and it was working about as well as last year (it provides SOME cooling at highway speeds). Then it wasn't working again a week or so ago. I figured it had leaked out again, so I figured I would try one more time and see if it still leaked out. Well, I put my gauge (cheapy low side only) on and it hissed at me and the gauge read way up into the danger zone (70-90psi maybe?) but the compressor clutch wasn't engaging... I tried letting some pressure out thinking maybe it was too much pressure, but it seemed as though basically I could let the pressure to the normal level, and then it would almost immediately build back up to the danger pressure. I'm assuming perhaps this is just the way it works when going through the expansion valve without the compressor running? Or is this a sign of some other problem? What else should I look for to get the compressor clutch engaging? How likely is it that the clutch itself is dead? Should I try applying 12v to the clutch terminals and be able to see it engage? (preferably without the engine spinning). The blower fan is still working, so I'm assuming there's no fuse issue concerning the clutch... Thanks! Levi
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
Not true here in NY. When the INS co. checks the VIN they know it is a wrecker or rollback and will only write a policy that reflects the risk of car hauling. Commercial use is even highr like you said. NY insurance rules SUCK! Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? Im not talking about a rollback or a wrecker. Even if it was a rollback or wrecker, if its not for hire the insurance is no different than any other car. Mike Canfield wrote: Until you figure in the special high priced insurance for a vehicle designed to haul cars. Rollbacks and wreckers are way high. Mike -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Apparently the 4BT in an M37 is a fairly popular swap. Theres a guy online whom I can't find now that does them with a brand new engine reportedly getting 130HP which doesn't sound exciting but 300+lb/ft of torque sure does. I defiantely want to try one in a Scout, replace the anemic 110hp Nissan diesel with some power... Who was it was getting one put in an F150? I'm still dying to know how that comes out. -Curt Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 09:00:48 -0400 From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Philip, Yep a BT4 would be sweet. I have been thinking of swapping in a MBZ diesel. I found a 76 240D 4 speed with only 65K DOCUMENTED original miles but am afraid it will be too gutless for the old war machine. The original 230 puts out around 77HP at 3200 and 140LB-FT of torque at 1200. Maybe a 5 cyl turbo would have enough but I really want to stick with a manual tranny. Mike - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 14:49:12 2006 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.194]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsL3w-s5-Ao for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:49:12 + Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id r21so857574wxc for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=omDxjCmRjmxxNNGAQ/y6iZlNLRk3odkQIy+Tycj+PR0acLM/8T1Cv4bQP5ISDT23P5voY4a/9vrMSmtivf9LRU9CXOp6fviOkY+0vyGv7sDNSVkfRynbGnOfpCpeEQ4ddaOFsGW4/G+7st7WVkTAKcjMc5QENNHiTkIySiChaNA= Received: by 10.70.116.8 with SMTP id o8mr8651679wxc; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.76.4 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 07:49:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:49:02 -0400 From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] ooops X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:49:12 - Q: hi i was wondering if i can file for a lost title for it thanks richJun-13-06 A: A lost title cannot be filed. The buyer (Kaleb) can not file for a lost title on this vehicle? The seller is unwilling to sign a bill of sale, or what? Ed On 6/19/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:31:14 -0400 Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did i miss something? what's the joke? It was too far away and he accidentally won it. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. What about putting a cap on it? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who....../BT4 in M37
Hello Curt, I have the F-150 with the 4BT in and I like pretty well. The biggest problem has been starters and I am on my third one now. All still under warranty but still pretty annoying. My wife and son and his friend drove to Cedar Point, OH from WV to ride some killer roller coasters and was averaging about 28.8-30MPG with cruise running and the A/C on. Kevin, the builder, has learned from my prototype and is improving the next one which is a black '99 F-150 4x4 but I like my well enough. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 10:44 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Apparently the 4BT in an M37 is a fairly popular swap. Theres a guy online whom I can't find now that does them with a brand new engine reportedly getting 130HP which doesn't sound exciting but 300+lb/ft of torque sure does. I defiantely want to try one in a Scout, replace the anemic 110hp Nissan diesel with some power... Who was it was getting one put in an F150? I'm still dying to know how that comes out. -Curt
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Hummer's a DOG!
Mike Canfield wrote: And you think the H1 has enough power with the 6.5 The Hummer is a DOG with that engine. Seems the military would be smart enough by now to use a Cummins. I'd guess freeway speed wasn't their major concern. Military vehicles are almost always slow by civilian standards.
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
John Berryman wrote: On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. What about putting a cap on it? That's fine, unless you're planning on hauling a 5th wheel.
Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why?
Ever have one? Try riding a lawnmower or snowmobile into a truck that has a cap... Plus if you haul brush or such you really need to take the cap off. Then if its winter and this is a snowmobiling trip the snowmobile in the back will have snow on it, which will get on your luggage, that and most snowmobiles are long enough you need to leave the tailgate open thus negating 40-50% of the cap. A month ago when we went to camp we too my Cub Cadet, lawn cart, backblade, cultivator and disc all with us, the cart was on top of the cub cadet upside down. Couldn't have done that with a cap on. Good thing we could put the luggage in the extended cab. So to make a long concept a little longer, if you need to haul stuff and people, or stuff and luggage, an extended cab truck makes alot of sense. Using one for a daily driver might not make sense. It does for us, since we can only have 2 cars (nowhere to park more) and my wife only goes a few miles every day. -Curt Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:08:47 -0400 From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jun 19, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: The problem with a single cab is theres nowhere to put your luggage. What about putting a cap on it? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 17:06:02 2006 Received: from web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.35]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsNCL-0005qm-KS for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:06:02 + Received: (qmail 82347 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Jun 2006 17:05:53 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6HU7kEV3GeH440cfLSL86PER3kFfvOIytt5qqeCMSRL6eiJUx+srEz3TW7I9LpQrNVBbHdyqFGjEPA98OwLULXp57pSaY3eIB/UvQKzKEUOHMnWEf52PMq8sNpMTrRbPQg6yXf2/bFK7dp27y8oUrGqS8DzoKzwoNW1W5TTIYDI= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32805.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:53 PDT Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 X-BeenThere: Mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:Mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:06:02 - Hi Todd, Thats great news! Any idea why the starters won't last? Do you know what kind of HP/Torque your engine is putting out? How about how much the truck weighs? I'm thinking this is a brilliant swap, any idea how much he'll charge for them? I'd definately be interested in that kind of mileage in a fullsize pickup. -Curt Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 12:47:18 -0400 From: Smith, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Curt, I have the F-150 with the 4BT in and I like pretty well. The biggest problem has been starters and I am on my third one now. All still under warranty but still pretty annoying. My wife and son and his friend drove to Cedar Point, OH from WV to ride some killer roller coasters and was averaging about 28.8-30MPG with cruise running and the A/C on. Kevin, the builder, has learned from my prototype and is improving the next one which is a black '99 F-150 4x4 but I like my well enough. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K - New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jun 19 17:39:23 2006 Received: from elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.65]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FsNid-00012O-IE for Mercedes@okiebenz.com; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:39:23
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Hello Curt, The problem with the starters is somewhat troubling but as of yet, no real conclusions. The failure mode for the first was a slowly degenerating condition in which it would just click when you turn the key to start. I would turn the key back and try again and it would start. My first thought was starter solenoid but the starter and solenoid are a integrated unit and the condition within a few days become a dead starter. The second starter abruptly failed and it lasted less then a week before it failed abruptly. Taking the starter off and having it tested showed that it didn't move the bendix at all. After playing with the toggle switch on the test station at the local FLAPS, it eventually caused the bendix to pop in and out but only after a half-dozen tries. I don't have any clues as what to look for but if this one fails then no more remanned starters for me. When I am under the truck with my wife turning the key, there is a loud click as the starter tries to engage but no bendix movement. Kevin's website is http://4btconversions.com and you need to call him for pricing but I believe that around $15K is what he is charging for a turnkey. A little less for some options and little more for some options. I believe that he hasn't taken the pictures for mine down yet so the white '97 F-150 is mine. So far, his service has been really good and honestly much better then any local dealer given the starter issues I have had. Kevin' turned up the fuel delivery on the IP on the truck and replaced the 4BT industrial injectors with the 6BT injectors since they are a little bit bigger with a better spray pattern. I haven't had it dynoed but he is claiming 160HP and 330 ft/lb of torque. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 13:06 To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke?/Who../BT4 in M37 Hi Todd, Thats great news! Any idea why the starters won't last? Do you know what kind of HP/Torque your engine is putting out? How about how much the truck weighs? I'm thinking this is a brilliant swap, any idea how much he'll charge for them? I'd definately be interested in that kind of mileage in a fullsize pickup. -Curt
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Hello Robert, I hope that it just a bad rebuilder but we will see in a few days so see if it outlasts the others before problems start. I may have to try a different starter or source an OEM to see if it makes a difference. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick As many of those engines that were used for delivery vehicles, I can't imagine why they would have a problem with starters. Could it just be a poor quality rebuilder? Robert
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On Jun 19, 2006, at 1:39 PM, Smith, Todd wrote: I don't have any clues as what to look for but if this one fails then no more remanned starters for me. When I am under the truck with my wife turning the key, there is a loud click as the starter tries to engage but no bendix movement. The integral solenoid is more likely than not, the problem. It is responsible for pulling in the bendix-drive and putting the juice to the motor. Sometimes, the disc inside the solenoid can be flipped and contact is improved as there should be no pitting, due to arcing on the other side of the contact disc. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? My buddy's 2001 F250 club cab has towed horses and forklifts all across the country, the back seat gets used mainly for storage. It's nice to have a place in the cab for an ice chest and a couple of suitcases. I use it for short trips like hauling a wrecked 190D home from Ohio. You can thank Kevin in Columbus and my friend's F250 for your wife's monowiper. Klebby has a salvage business. I can't speak for the rest, but when my friend takes a big load of horses or a 9000lb forklift somewhere, he's exceeding the truck's 20k GCWR. Wouldn't want to do it with a smaller truck, but I agree, the same truck with a regular cab would give more performance and better turning radius with less cost and less comfort. Mitch.
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Durajunk..If you want a truck in the shop all the time go ahead and buy one. I speak from experience, not mine personally but that of a close friend who is a GM diehard and has suffered through 4 of the junks. The GM diesel I refer to the powerchoke walking all over is the 6.5. I do have to agree the Chebbie is the most comfortable ride of the 3. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL Mike - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Who wants to head off the list? How about a second list for SUVs? I'll start that one. Johnny B. 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo purchase price: $3,000 I was away from home for 4 months, working and my wife's 300SD was having problems that I couldn't address at that time. We live in the Adirondack Mountains where the Winters are long and hard, the terrain is, ugh, mountainous. Neither one of us cares much for SUVs. The Jeep was purchased as a temporary measure and is now for sale as we intended. We're starting to build a house and plan to buy a small Toyota pick-up (without a back seat) for general material hauling. Larger items will be delivered by the seller or I can borrow a larger truck from any one of many who owe me big favors, if needed. The Toyota truck will also be used for transportation when the circumstances dictate. Our MBs will not be driven through snow,ice and salt if we can help it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 8:48 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? My buddy's 2001 F250 club cab has towed horses and forklifts all across the country, the back seat gets used mainly for storage. It's nice to have a place in the cab for an ice chest and a couple of suitcases. I use it for short trips like hauling a wrecked 190D home from Ohio. You can thank Kevin in Columbus and my friend's F250 for your wife's monowiper. Klebby has a salvage business. I can't speak for the rest, but when my friend takes a big load of horses or a 9000lb forklift somewhere, he's exceeding the truck's 20k GCWR. Wouldn't want to do it with a smaller truck, but I agree, the same truck with a regular cab would give more performance and better turning radius with less cost and less comfort. Mitch. Thanks Kevin. So that truck is doing what it's paid for. As it should. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Well I need my truck for long distance car hauling. I think its insane to spend that much on a used truck, much less 40k or more for a new one. For the price of an 04 like I am looking at you can buy a hell of a nice s-class, or would be cheaper to buy a nice 99 E300 John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Who wants to head off the list? How about a second list for SUVs? I'll start that one. Johnny B. 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo purchase price: $3,000 I was away from home for 4 months, working and my wife's 300SD was having problems that I couldn't address at that time. We live in the Adirondack Mountains where the Winters are long and hard, the terrain is, ugh, mountainous. Neither one of us cares much for SUVs. The Jeep was purchased as a temporary measure and is now for sale as we intended. We're starting to build a house and plan to buy a small Toyota pick-up (without a back seat) for general material hauling. Larger items will be delivered by the seller or I can borrow a larger truck from any one of many who owe me big favors, if needed. The Toyota truck will also be used for transportation when the circumstances dictate. Our MBs will not be driven through snow,ice and salt if we can help it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Mike Canfield wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL Mike I bet it's even paid for in-full too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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A powerstroke make walk all over the 6.5, but the 6.5 is MUCH cheaper and easier to work on. Has plenty of power for my needs Mike Canfield wrote: Durajunk..If you want a truck in the shop all the time go ahead and buy one. I speak from experience, not mine personally but that of a close friend who is a GM diehard and has suffered through 4 of the junks. The GM diesel I refer to the powerchoke walking all over is the 6.5. I do have to agree the Chebbie is the most comfortable ride of the 3. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I picked up my 92 f350 diesel crew cab for hauling a 5th wheel camper and for gathering and hauling barrels of waste veg oil. I needed the crew cab with three young'uns. http://photos.thedieselstop.com/showphoto.php?photo=29666 I do enjoy the flatbed, makes loading and unloading things a lot easier. I don't drive it around town much, I've had semi trucks with a better turning radius and without a load on, it's a bit rough on whats left of my spine I couldn't imagine using one of these tanks as a daily driver. And this old beast wasn't expensive, I only have about 5 grand in it ( there's no way I'd even consider dropping 30 grand on a pickup truck, you could buy a used semi with a small engine and convert it to an rv for a whole lot less money and get better fuel milage ) --Robert John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Who wants to head off the list? How about a second list for SUVs? I'll start that one. Johnny B. 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo purchase price: $3,000 I was away from home for 4 months, working and my wife's 300SD was having problems that I couldn't address at that time. We live in the Adirondack Mountains where the Winters are long and hard, the terrain is, ugh, mountainous. Neither one of us cares much for SUVs. The Jeep was purchased as a temporary measure and is now for sale as we intended. We're starting to build a house and plan to buy a small Toyota pick-up (without a back seat) for general material hauling. Larger items will be delivered by the seller or I can borrow a larger truck from any one of many who owe me big favors, if needed. The Toyota truck will also be used for transportation when the circumstances dictate. Our MBs will not be driven through snow,ice and salt if we can help it. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well I need my truck for long distance car hauling. I think its insane to spend that much on a used truck, much less 40k or more for a new one. For the price of an 04 like I am looking at you can buy a hell of a nice s-class, or would be cheaper to buy a nice 99 E300 You NEED a truck and use it as one. You'd have to sel[ a helluva lot of parts/cars to break even on a new or even late model truck. You're talented enough to keep about anything running, I couldn't possibly justify a truck in the price-range you mentioned earlier either. Especially when we know a decent deal will eventually come along and we'll roll up our sleeves and make it worth our while. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:39 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well I need my truck for long distance car hauling. I think its insane to spend that much on a used truck, much less 40k or more for a new one. For the price of an 04 like I am looking at you can buy a hell of a nice s-class, or would be cheaper to buy a nice 99 E300 You NEED a truck and use it as one. You'd have to sel[ a helluva lot of parts/cars to break even on a new or even late model truck. You're talented enough to keep about anything running, I couldn't possibly justify a truck in the price-range you mentioned earlier either. Especially when we know a decent deal will eventually come along and we'll roll up our sleeves and make it worth our while. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:46 PM, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: there's no way I'd even consider dropping 30 grand on a pickup truck, you could buy a used semi with a small engine and convert it to an rv for a whole lot less money and get better fuel milage ) --Robert It just baffles me how many people shell-out the big bucks and launch their boat 3 times a year and then just drive it to work every day. Same folks are pissin' and moanin' about fuel prices. Makes no cents to me. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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fuel/gas prices aren't high enough yet. Every day I see someone in a parking lot with their 6,000+ lb suv/pickup idling while they go inside for 5, 10 mins or so. Then there's also the people who sit in the parking lot at work during their lunch hour with the engine running. Sheesh, when will people learn? On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:57:29 -0500, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:46 PM, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: there's no way I'd even consider dropping 30 grand on a pickup truck, you could buy a used semi with a small engine and convert it to an rv for a whole lot less money and get better fuel milage ) --Robert It just baffles me how many people shell-out the big bucks and launch their boat 3 times a year and then just drive it to work every day. Same folks are pissin' and moanin' about fuel prices. Makes no cents to me. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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That's not much of a compliment, considering how he looks. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:08:43 -0500, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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I work with men who have too much money. Nearly all of them either have new GMC Dura Max quad cab 4X4 short bed loaded with the fancy schmancy spray in bedliner or new Dodge 3/4 ton max cab long bed 4X4 loaded. Several more dudes have new Powerchokes 4X4 in which they tried to hop it up with some kind of a wicked chip and they ended up toasting something. Most of these clowns use their trucks for nothing more than the occasional trip to Home Despot to carry home a bag of salt and a 2X4. I had a '98 F150, 5 speed, crank windows, no bed liner, no cruise...a TRUCK. Was running like mad until some blivit ran a red light and, well ...you know the rest. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Mike Canfield wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL Mike I bet it's even paid for in-full too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Berryman wrote: It just baffles me how many people shell-out the big bucks and launch their boat 3 times a year and then just drive it to work every day. Same folks are pissin' and moanin' about fuel prices. Makes no cents to me. In rural areas I've lived in, where parking ordinances weren't a problem, it was pretty common for people to have a rusty old truck for snow plowing and the occasional hauling or boat launching job. If it was a *really* rural area the truck might not even have a license plate that had been valid in the last decade. ;)
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Our Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins diesel 6spd quadcab pickup pulls our 8000# travel trailer and our 19' boat. It also hauls gear around to our dragon boat races all around the Northwest. It's hauled home exercise equipment, bikes, furniture, a freezer, nothing a smaller truck couldn't do, but it's got room in the quadcab for 4 people and two dogs and gets nearly 23MPG on the highway empty. When it's pullin' the TT, it gets around 16MPG average, I ain't complainin'! When the truck isn't needed (for around town driving), we usually end up riding in one of my parents' cars, the '05 Chrysler TC minivan or the new little HHR (henry). The 300CD is the fun car. Kevin 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
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On Jun 18, 2006, at 12:37 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: In rural areas I've lived in, where parking ordinances weren't a problem, it was pretty common for people to have a rusty old truck for snow plowing and the occasional hauling or boat launching job. If it was a *really* rural area the truck might not even have a license plate that had been valid in the last decade. ;) That's how it works around here. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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HHR? Yeah, it's that little Chevy car that's designed after a 1949 Suburban. It's competition is the PT Cruiser, but I think it's much better in every way, ride, power, quietness, fit and finish, and the design, IMO. Here's a link to some HHR info. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_HHR Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela
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I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. I inherited an '83 S10 from my brother in March. I was gonna sell it, but then I need to haul some wood chips and compost so it looks like I will be keeping it. My kids also race bmx and it is really convenient jist to pitch the bikes in the bed. I used to have an '86 3/4 ton Chevy that I bought for 500 bucks. I worked at a food plant at the time and used it to haul scrap equipment (stainless) to the scrap yard. 33 cents a pound for around 2-3k pounds a load. Wish I coulda stored it all. I imagine prices have went up. Needless to say that truck paid for itself MANY times over. I also burn wood in the winter and you can't fit much firewood in the back of a 300CD. How about a second list for SUVs? I also inherited a 2000 Ford Explorer. I have been driving it regularly, but I am not real sure what I am gonna do with it. We get lake effect snow here where I live and it could come in real handy in the winter. On the other hand, I have never needed a four wheel drive before. 20 mpg does kinda blow... Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb I should have told you last month when a very unique vehicle was advertised in the 5k range. It was a 7.3 PS E350, cut off behind the 2nd row of seats, with a very nice looking towing bed on the back. Somebody probably paid $50k for the thing when it was new. I suggested it to a horse trainer who I thought needed a truck, turns out the idiot just had just bought a 3500 Chev with 454, gets 4 mpg at 75mph with a big horse trailer on it. Could probably get 6mpg if he didn't drive like a fool. I don't think my buddy's 2001 F250 6sp has ever gotten less than 10mpg, even with the aforementioned idiot trainer driving it. I've gotten 13-15 with a 12k horse trailer at 60-65mph. The new record for that truck is 25.1mpg at 55mph, with some stop-n-go, and the A/C running full time. (it won't turn off, runs no matter where the climate control knob is set) Mitch.
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Same thing here. I have a 1980 ford 150 that goes to the garbage dump two or three times a year. It has the 25 year old antique tag, the last one I'll ever have to buy for it. My 81 240D qualifies for the antique tag but my wife won't let me put one on because she likes to drive it and the tag does say Antique. I am smarter that the average bear in these matters. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? On Jun 18, 2006, at 12:37 AM, David Brodbeck wrote: In rural areas I've lived in, where parking ordinances weren't a problem, it was pretty common for people to have a rusty old truck for snow plowing and the occasional hauling or boat launching job. If it was a *really* rural area the truck might not even have a license plate that had been valid in the last decade. ;) That's how it works around here. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Kaleb, 7.3 Powerstroke not 6.0. Very easy to work with. Quite comparable to the 6.5 in that aspect. The Chebbie is way cheaper though. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? A powerstroke make walk all over the 6.5, but the 6.5 is MUCH cheaper and easier to work on. Has plenty of power for my needs Mike Canfield wrote: Durajunk..If you want a truck in the shop all the time go ahead and buy one. I speak from experience, not mine personally but that of a close friend who is a GM diehard and has suffered through 4 of the junks. The GM diesel I refer to the powerchoke walking all over is the 6.5. I do have to agree the Chebbie is the most comfortable ride of the 3. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:01:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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NO DOUBT Met a lady at the local C-store one day just a ranting and raving about the price of gas as she filled up her Ford Excursion. Pointed out the fact that she paid 4 times as much per gallon for the bottle of spring water she had in her hand..She was STILL irate at the price of gas because she only get's 8-9MPG in her car. In talking with her I found out she had no children to cart around in the big white bus and in fact had only left the house to buy a bottle of water. I feel no pitty for ANYONE in the USA whining about gas prices with an attitude like that and it's very common. Mike - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:46 PM, Robert Tara Ludwick wrote: there's no way I'd even consider dropping 30 grand on a pickup truck, you could buy a used semi with a small engine and convert it to an rv for a whole lot less money and get better fuel milage ) --Robert It just baffles me how many people shell-out the big bucks and launch their boat 3 times a year and then just drive it to work every day. Same folks are pissin' and moanin' about fuel prices. Makes no cents to me. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OUCH!! That stinks. Mike - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? I work with men who have too much money. Nearly all of them either have new GMC Dura Max quad cab 4X4 short bed loaded with the fancy schmancy spray in bedliner or new Dodge 3/4 ton max cab long bed 4X4 loaded. Several more dudes have new Powerchokes 4X4 in which they tried to hop it up with some kind of a wicked chip and they ended up toasting something. Most of these clowns use their trucks for nothing more than the occasional trip to Home Despot to carry home a bag of salt and a 2X4. I had a '98 F150, 5 speed, crank windows, no bed liner, no cruise...a TRUCK. Was running like mad until some blivit ran a red light and, well ...you know the rest. Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? Who needs them and why? On Jun 17, 2006, at 10:21 PM, Mike Canfield wrote: 1968 Dodge M37 3/4 ton 4x4 Hauls scrap metal at least once a week just hauled 50 locust posts to a local winery today hauled out 2 loads of firewood to season for winter last weekend burns junk gas from scrap cars Top that for a daily driverLOLOL Mike I bet it's even paid for in-full too. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 18, 2006, at 10:59 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. Yeah, the stick has to help the mpgs a bit. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Well, the burb probably dogs out due to the rear end ratio. The trick to compensate for that is to get one of those gear vendors over/underdrive units. you will get an extra overdrive for highway cruising and get even better fuel milage when not loaded down , but when towing you can effectively put it in direct and under ( in reality, the gear below and over ) to lower the final drive ratio and give you all the pulling oomph you need. --Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well the 1 ton 6.5 td doesnt even know there is a car on a trailer back there, but the burb 6.2 diesel is kind of slow, but gets the job done and gets a little better mileage. Also thought about finding a mid 90's 3.4 ton 6.5 td with a 5 speed, that would probably get pretty decent mileage without the slushbox. John Berryman wrote: On Jun 17, 2006, at 11:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yep. The only reason I was really looking was for the extended cab to get more people in if needed. I will be sticking with my 95 and my diesel burb Dayum, you are smarter than you look!! With the burb, there's plenty of seating anyway. Which one is your preferred hauler? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 08:02:44PM -0400, John Berryman wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Have three. One is the infamous powerchoke (96 F250 extended cab 4x4), one is a dead 88? chevy K30 crew cab dually (6.2/automatic), one is a dead 79 dodge D300 club cab dually (440/automatic). In addition to dragging dead cars all over the place, the truck is used for hauling stuff for the house, and pulling travel trailers. The two duallies were meant to eventually replace the F250 as duallies cure a lot of evils on windy mountain roads with a big heavy trailer. The F250 is equipped with a locker, and is backup for the jeep cherokee as a trail/off road rig. Club cabs/extended cabs are handy for keeping your gear inside and dry if you don't have a shell. I rarely have less than two people ride with me when I have a travel trailer hooked up, so the extra seatbelts don't go unused. How about a second list for SUVs? Two eagle wagons (unstoppable in snow), two 70's jeep cherokees (used for four wheeling, and snow duty since the eagles have been off the road). California doesn't use salt (anymore, for now). K
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Good questions. I generally despise pickup trucks, especially the kind that are all prissed up and prettified to the extent that they cease to maintain any utility whatsoever. I've always preferred vans to trucks; probably always will. My vans have hauled nearly everything everything I've ever needed, and can tote seven folks around if needed. A small utility trailer will handle the odd-shaped stuff that won't fit in the van. My '93 Dodge Cummins Clubcab 4x4 was a beast to maneuver and had the worst turning radius of any vehicle I've ever driven--bar none. It was the first and probably last truck I'll ever purchase (love that Cummins though). I've never needed an SUV (stupid useless vehicle) On 6/17/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just gotta ask, What do you guys need these huge expensive trucks for? I feel trucks were intended to be used for work. Trucks with back seats cost more to purchase and run, lengthen wheelbase resulting in lousy turning radii and were intended to haul your tools, equipment, materials and work crew. I'd like to see a list of truck owners and how each uses it. Who wants to head off the list? How about a second list for SUVs? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
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Two eagle wagons (unstoppable in snow), Yeah! We had a 1982 Eagle with the big 258 C.I 4.2L I6 with a 5spd behind it, and it was one of the best snow cars we've ever had! It was about 9 years ago, and we paid $2K for it. However, the main seal and clutch went out soon after purchase with only 85K on the car (185K)? Once that was fixed along with the timing chain, it drove like new until my nephew locked up the tranny one day. It acted like it was stuck between gears, and the shifter didn't feel right anymore. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204k miles, Giesela
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So I went looking for a new truck yesterday. My current truck a 95 1 ton dually 6.5 td doesnt really have room for the whole family being a single cab. Though it would be nice to have an extended cab if I wanted to haul everyone around. So I been keeping an eye out for a newer Duramax. A car lot nearby has a 01 with 174k miles on it for 13.8k. Anyway, while in tulsa yesterday I stopped by one of those big chevy dealers and test drove an 04 DM with 30K miles, they are wanting something like $27k for it. Geez, its SURE a nice truck but not sure I want to spend that kind of money for one. Then I went to check out the 01 with 175K at a smaller lot. It was sort of a let down from the fully loaded 04 but still a nice truck. Just wonder if its wore out though with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Is that too many miles for such a truck? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I went looking for a new truck yesterday. My current truck a 95 1 ton dually 6.5 td doesnt really have room for the whole family being a single cab. Though it would be nice to have an extended cab if I wanted to haul everyone around. So I been keeping an eye out for a newer Duramax. A car lot nearby has a 01 with 174k miles on it for 13.8k. Anyway, while in tulsa yesterday I stopped by one of those big chevy dealers and test drove an 04 DM with 30K miles, they are wanting something like $27k for it. Geez, its SURE a nice truck but not sure I want to spend that kind of money for one. Then I went to check out the 01 with 175K at a smaller lot. It was sort of a let down from the fully loaded 04 but still a nice truck. Just wonder if its wore out though with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Is that too many miles for such a truck? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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A $30k truck with 150k on it for only 19K? The engine should be fine if maintained, but what about the rest of the truck? What do you think a three year old truck with 180k on it will be worth in a year? Do you want to lose that much value that fast? I just checked, a 2007 crew XL LB with 6.0, LSD, cruise, hitch, manual telescoping mirrors invoices at $30088 with delivery. If you can't beat that by $300 there's something wrong with you. Same thing in an '06 can be had for $27k or less after $3k rebate. Same in an '06 Dodge more like $28k after rebate. There's also a $500 rebate for Farm Bureau members (costs $50 to join for a year) BTW, there's a 1994 (probably IDI, but might be a 94 1/2 powerstroke) with 5sp and a sling on the back for $3200 at a dealer in West Michigan. There's also a 91 Dodge with 5sp, towing bed and sleeper in Elkhart that you could probably get for $4k. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now. http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=CIM4091598D http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=5-299737
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Luther, I couldn't agree more! I've got an 03 Dodge Cummins pickup with a 6spd, and I've decided to give it up for a pickup with an automatic since my wife and I have a few different people who drive it (what a shame they don't give blind people licenses hahaha)! I've ridden in the Ford Flowerchoke, the GM DuraCrack and the Dodge Cummins trucks, and they ride the best, have the best turning circle and, of course, LEGENDARY Cummins power! I believe that the Cummins is the only one of the bunch that still has both a cast iron block and heads. As far as cab room, Ford's got them beat in just about every area. Yesterday, it was the Duracrack, and I must say that it sure has a lot of power (350HP and 650 LB/FT of torque according to the salesman). We were making a right hand turn with the pedal at about half throttle, and it began to spin both rear tires. It could have smoked them right off the rims if my dad had really stood on it! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny 03 Dodge Cummins diesel 6spd 2wd pickup, 25K miles getting traded for an 06 model with a 48RE automatic
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As far as milage, the ENGINE on the powerchoke is designed for 500k service life...don't count on getting that out of the electronics on the thing though, which by the way, absoloutely nobody, especially the ford dealers , know anything about, but they will be more than happy to charge you $95 an hour for diagnostics for an insane period of time to pretend they are learning how. I have an older ford IDI 7.3, those are quite reliable, but not as fancy as the new trucks. If you can afford it, buy a cummins, they are more money to buy, but less money to maintain by far ( and a heck of a lot easier to work on ) Or get the best of both worlds and get a ford crew cab and do a cummins conversion on it. Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So I went looking for a new truck yesterday. My current truck a 95 1 ton dually 6.5 td doesnt really have room for the whole family being a single cab. Though it would be nice to have an extended cab if I wanted to haul everyone around. So I been keeping an eye out for a newer Duramax. A car lot nearby has a 01 with 174k miles on it for 13.8k. Anyway, while in tulsa yesterday I stopped by one of those big chevy dealers and test drove an 04 DM with 30K miles, they are wanting something like $27k for it. Geez, its SURE a nice truck but not sure I want to spend that kind of money for one. Then I went to check out the 01 with 175K at a smaller lot. It was sort of a let down from the fully loaded 04 but still a nice truck. Just wonder if its wore out though with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Is that too many miles for such a truck?
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on 6/17/06 12:14 AM, Mitch Haley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's also a 91 Dodge with 5sp, towing bed and sleeper in Elkhart that you could probably get for $4k. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now. http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=CIM4091598D Kaleb, what are you waiting for? That is one seriously nice toy. Mac
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An 05 with a 150K for $18,900? Not a bad price considering it was probably 40K+ new but the miles are way to high. Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500 Subject: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? So I went looking for a new truck yesterday. My current truck a 95 1 ton dually 6.5 td doesnt really have room for the whole family being a single cab. Though it would be nice to have an extended cab if I wanted to haul everyone around. So I been keeping an eye out for a newer Duramax. A car lot nearby has a 01 with 174k miles on it for 13.8k. Anyway, while in tulsa yesterday I stopped by one of those big chevy dealers and test drove an 04 DM with 30K miles, they are wanting something like $27k for it. Geez, its SURE a nice truck but not sure I want to spend that kind of money for one. Then I went to check out the 01 with 175K at a smaller lot. It was sort of a let down from the fully loaded 04 but still a nice truck. Just wonder if its wore out though with 175k but I woulnt think so. At this same lot, they have a 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Is that too many miles for such a truck? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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on 6/16/06 9:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 05 F250 Powerstroke , crew cab, for $18,900. Thats DIRT CHEAP. Only problem is that its got 150K miles on it. Thats ALOT of miles for a 1 year old truck. Anybody know anything about these newer powerstrokes? Is that too many miles for such a truck? Well, personally I have no problem with insane mileage on a recent diesel vehicle, just suggests it was driven like a diesel wants to be: lots of highway, not pooping around to the supermarket. One caveat would be, is there a maintenance record with it? You need to familiarize yourself with the PowerStrokes, aka PowerJokes. They have their issues for sure, and they aren't simple. For example, the injectors fire off OIL PRESSURE, not fuel pressure. There are two oil pumps, one just for the injectors. Also the crank position sensors are failure prone in the extreme. I did some research on them last year for a friend, but that's all I remember. Generally, the pre-PowerStroke 7.2 (?) Ford diesels are considered to be damn near bulletproof. OTOH, the current generation of Ford pickups are a really nice vehicle, had a rental for a week last year and was completely in love with the thing. There are a couple of good info Web sites for them. Mac
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I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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The truck is in real good shape. It used to have a gooseneck hitch in the back so my bet is that it was used for hot shots. Wonder if those guys maintain their trucks like the should, I would think so. Mitch Haley wrote: A $30k truck with 150k on it for only 19K? The engine should be fine if maintained, but what about the rest of the truck? What do you think a three year old truck with 180k on it will be worth in a year? Do you want to lose that much value that fast? I just checked, a 2007 crew XL LB with 6.0, LSD, cruise, hitch, manual telescoping mirrors invoices at $30088 with delivery. If you can't beat that by $300 there's something wrong with you. Same thing in an '06 can be had for $27k or less after $3k rebate. Same in an '06 Dodge more like $28k after rebate. There's also a $500 rebate for Farm Bureau members (costs $50 to join for a year) BTW, there's a 1994 (probably IDI, but might be a 94 1/2 powerstroke) with 5sp and a sling on the back for $3200 at a dealer in West Michigan. There's also a 91 Dodge with 5sp, towing bed and sleeper in Elkhart that you could probably get for $4k. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now. http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=CIM4091598D http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=5-299737 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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What kind of mileage will the cummins turn in? What years to watch out for, which are best? What about the tranny? Have they got that problem fixed yet? kevin kraly wrote: Luther, I couldn't agree more! I've got an 03 Dodge Cummins pickup with a 6spd, and I've decided to give it up for a pickup with an automatic since my wife and I have a few different people who drive it (what a shame they don't give blind people licenses hahaha)! I've ridden in the Ford Flowerchoke, the GM DuraCrack and the Dodge Cummins trucks, and they ride the best, have the best turning circle and, of course, LEGENDARY Cummins power! I believe that the Cummins is the only one of the bunch that still has both a cast iron block and heads. As far as cab room, Ford's got them beat in just about every area. Yesterday, it was the Duracrack, and I must say that it sure has a lot of power (350HP and 650 LB/FT of torque according to the salesman). We were making a right hand turn with the pedal at about half throttle, and it began to spin both rear tires. It could have smoked them right off the rims if my dad had really stood on it! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny 03 Dodge Cummins diesel 6spd 2wd pickup, 25K miles getting traded for an 06 model with a 48RE automatic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Get a manny tranny, solves that problem. On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:17:33 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What kind of mileage will the cummins turn in? What years to watch out for, which are best? What about the tranny? Have they got that problem fixed yet? -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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There's a few different schools of thought on maintnence. The hot shots, if full timers are generally trading every couple of years to keep a new truck on the road ( for a number of reasons, for one, most companies don't want to lease on older equipment and the tax benefits ) so many just do the basics. If it was a part timer, chances are maintnence was kept up nicely, if it was a farm truck for hauling horses cows etc, chances are the hood was never opened except when towed into the dealership. -Robert Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: The truck is in real good shape. It used to have a gooseneck hitch in the back so my bet is that it was used for hot shots. Wonder if those guys maintain their trucks like the should, I would think so. Mitch Haley wrote: A $30k truck with 150k on it for only 19K? The engine should be fine if maintained, but what about the rest of the truck? What do you think a three year old truck with 180k on it will be worth in a year? Do you want to lose that much value that fast? I just checked, a 2007 crew XL LB with 6.0, LSD, cruise, hitch, manual telescoping mirrors invoices at $30088 with delivery. If you can't beat that by $300 there's something wrong with you. Same thing in an '06 can be had for $27k or less after $3k rebate. Same in an '06 Dodge more like $28k after rebate. There's also a $500 rebate for Farm Bureau members (costs $50 to join for a year) BTW, there's a 1994 (probably IDI, but might be a 94 1/2 powerstroke) with 5sp and a sling on the back for $3200 at a dealer in West Michigan. There's also a 91 Dodge with 5sp, towing bed and sleeper in Elkhart that you could probably get for $4k. Been for sale for a couple of weeks now. http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=CIM4091598D http://www.auto-rv.com/default.asp?area=browsedetailadname=5-299737 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. The 7.3 has very good power and will walk all over a Chebbie diesel. Mike - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Powerstroke? I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. What will probably end up happening is I will just sell my truck and get an extended cab/crew cab about like what I already have, around a 95-99. Luther Gulseth wrote: Can you say Flowerchoke? Dude, get a real engine. Get a Cummins. On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 20:46:13 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 6/17/06 7:14 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would love to, the package its wrapped in it junk though. I would rather stick with chevy anyway. 2005 GMC C4500 Rollback Truck If you are interested in more information about this product, please click here: http://www.salvagesale.com/showoffer.asp?OfferId=19158 Its almost a Chebby -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (104k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +--
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There were a few years in there where a killer dowel pin can come off inside the timing cover and obliterate the engine. It could be fixed by welding a tab over the pin or possibly removing it. I'm not sure if this applies to the 24V engines from 1998.5 to 2002 or the latest generation common rail injection engines. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 1981 300CD 204K miles, Giesela AKA Granny
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Mike Canfield wrote: If you get a Ford get the 7.3 PowerchokeStay away from the 6.0. Well, I'd say run, don't walk from the 2003 6.0, it took them a while to sort it out. The 7.3 never did get sorted out, the cause of cackle and knock was the way Ford dead-ended the fuel rails without any way for air to return to the tank, it stayed in the rails until it went through an injector. The Navistar 444 had a pressure accumulator on the fuel rail, and excess fuel went through the rails in the heads and back to the tank.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Ever since people started getting 400+hp out of the old 160hp rotary pump Cummins, it has been much less an issue of what motor you have and more of an issue of what changes have been done to it. (I'm not kidding, there's a guy on turbodieselregister with the handle old smoky who got something like 408hp/700+ ft-lb out of an old daily driver Dodge which still had a rotary pump on it) I'll take an inline six with mechanical controls (preferably with P7100 inline pump) over a V-anything with $300 electronic injectors. Just like I'd rather have a OM603 (or 606 with 603's pump) than a V6 320CDI. (but the electronically controlled Garrett VGT on the CDI is nice) Mitch.
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yep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thats funny someone whould mentiion the powerstroke walking all over the Chevy DM. Sorry guys, just not possible. The powerchoke as you call it makes less horsepower and only few ft.lbs of torque more than the DM. Seriously, the Chevy is a better riding truck anyway Harry 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
