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Brian, For some reason the 114/115 early tail lights either had metal contacts available to the second 5w lamp or not. Gump came to me with no brass tongue thing to put power to the second bulb, so no light. When you turn on the lights you normally twist to the right. To activate fog, pull out one click, for back fog, another click or all the way toward you. On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Brian Chase wrote: Could you expand on this? I have a Gump too. Or is that blasphemy? Seriously though, I'd like to know what you mean by changing out the rear lamps. Which lamps specifically did you replace and what fills their previous function? Wait. I just found this post which answers that. Redghost wrote: there are two bulb holes in the center, above the back up light. Only one was powered in Gump's prior set of tail lights. The newer lamps have contacts in both holes. When I turn the fogs on fully the second bulb fires up. Brian writes: But what type of bulb did you plug in there, and where did you get the alternative lamp assemblies? And what do you mean by turning in the fogs fully? Brian 83 240D changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs, and maybe get rid of the water seeping in On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs, and maybe get rid of the water seeping in On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
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Brian Chase wrote: Very cool. I've learned something today. sharp top cutoff meaning they don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some. The stock Mercedes fogs, while mounted too high to be truely good fog lights, do have that sharp cutoff. It's interesting to look at the pattern against a wall. They project a wide, flat bar of light. The idea is to illuminate the road and the pavement markings directly ahead of the car, without projecting light upwards that will be scattered by the fog and reflected back into your eyes. The yellow color was also once thought to reduce glare scattered by the fog, but studies since then have found a white light works just as well.
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Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent reflection back at the driver. Also, what's up with that feature that allows you to just turn on one directional lamp steady (not flashing) - one side at a time. ? Brian 83 240D From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:19:28 -0800 Brian Chase wrote: Very cool. I've learned something today. sharp top cutoff meaning they don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some. The stock Mercedes fogs, while mounted too high to be truely good fog lights, do have that sharp cutoff. It's interesting to look at the pattern against a wall. They project a wide, flat bar of light. The idea is to illuminate the road and the pavement markings directly ahead of the car, without projecting light upwards that will be scattered by the fog and reflected back into your eyes. The yellow color was also once thought to reduce glare scattered by the fog, but studies since then have found a white light works just as well. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Could you expand on this? I have a Gump too. Or is that blasphemy? Seriously though, I'd like to know what you mean by changing out the rear lamps. Which lamps specifically did you replace and what fills their previous function? Wait. I just found this post which answers that. Redghost wrote: there are two bulb holes in the center, above the back up light. Only one was powered in Gump's prior set of tail lights. The newer lamps have contacts in both holes. When I turn the fogs on fully the second bulb fires up. Brian writes: But what type of bulb did you plug in there, and where did you get the alternative lamp assemblies? And what do you mean by turning in the fogs fully? Brian 83 240D From: redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:16:01 -0800 changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs, and maybe get rid of the water seeping in On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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Also, what's up with that feature that allows you to just turn on one directional lamp steady (not flashing) - one side at a time. ? City parking in certain cow-path streets in some old European cities mandates a parked car being lit, at least on the street side. Half lights draw half power, allowing the battery to live through the night. Those are parking lights that are lit, not the turn/hazard lights. -- Jim
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Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent reflection back at the driver. It also prevents glaring into the eyes of oncoming drivers. Of which most fog lights (mandatorily lit?) on newer cars are very guilty of. I don't think they have upwards cutoffs. -- Jim
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Jim Cathey wrote: Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent reflection back at the driver. It also prevents glaring into the eyes of oncoming drivers. Of which most fog lights (mandatorily lit?) on newer cars are very guilty of. I don't think they have upwards cutoffs. I'd say if they don't have upward cutoffs, they're not really fog lights. Driving lights or auxiliary low beams, maybe. Often the goal of factory lights like that is to fill in that dark hole the standard DOT pattern leaves just in front of the bumper.
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I certainly don't want to get into a battle between truckers and non truckers. I just rant on certain topics that push my buttons, and peoples' driving behavior is one of the biggest. I knew we would have a healthy trucker contingent among the dieselers. God love 'em. In fact my very mother drives a city bus for a living, and one of the things she says is that nobody wants to get behind a bus, so all sorts of people dash out in front of her. I also see people engaging in similar behavior with semis. I know if I drove one for a living, I'd be absolutely steaming each of the 10 times that happened to me per day. I just have a strong aversion to the sort of primal behavior that says I'm bigger than you, so you'd better move. By no means is this limited to semis. The smaller your vehicle, the less respect you get. It's subconscious and automatic. It also applies to conflicts between bicycles and even the smallest compact. Yes, it is smart to move out of the way of trouble, but it's pitiful to see the effect that different vehicles have on people. When I see some dude all amped-up on the sense of power that his gnarly full-size 4x4 gives him, I just think you know, eventually you, just like me, have to step out of your vehicle and plant your feet on the ground. And if someone like that gets aggressive with me on the roadway, I often invite them personally to do just that. If you can prove you're tough face to face and empty-handed, then you'll get my respect. Also interesting, and enjoyable, is the range of personalities on this list. Some of us have run off with this thread in the direction of driving behaviors and the basal human causes behind them (actually that last part has just been me), and some have cheerfully gone on about which chassis types are quicker. This is why it's so fun to look at this stuff when I should be working. Brian 83 240D From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:51:38 -0500 Phil thanks for your view a few rebuttals and I am going to quite on this one. For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have driven nearly 1,000,000 total I have driven 40,000 to 70,000 miles a year in a car since 1984. That puts me close to a million miles too, much of it with trucks at my side or breathing down my back. snip _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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rumor has it that David wrote: One study in Michigan found that half the trucks on the road were over the legal weight limit. I agree with you on the driver often getting the short stick, but... Michigan has odd weight laws. There is _no_ GVW limit!! Yup, it is a per-axle limit. That's why they have those 7-axle trailers. Anyway, I'd be curious to know a bit more about the study if it was pointed at MI trucks 'cause their laws are so odd. Philip, who has photos of Michigan trucks to show the kids
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My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. You pretty much are One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning back because it was so bad. Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead. Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful. It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when the conditions were wrong. We were far enough back at times that I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all. do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution here. And yes, I too Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Fmiser wrote: I agree with you on the driver often getting the short stick, but... Michigan has odd weight laws. There is _no_ GVW limit!! Yeah, that was kind of the point of the study -- that Michigan allows some of the heaviest trucks in the nation, and the trucking companies still don't follow the law. Unfortunately, it was several years ago and I don't think I could track it down now. Yup, it is a per-axle limit. That's why they have those 7-axle trailers. Anyway, I'd be curious to know a bit more about the study if it was pointed at MI trucks 'cause their laws are so odd. I dunno, personally I think the dump trailers in Washington state that have 12 foot long tongues are pretty weird! I assume the weight limits there must be based on length? The worst situation for visibility is getting behind an empty 7-axle log truck in the rain. (On a log truck, no load means no fenders.)
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Mike Canfield wrote: My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights. Mike I've noticed my '83 Mercedes 300D has sockets for them.
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Yes! I feel ya. A very similar scenario happened to me in Tucson a few years ago. Only with me, we were stopped at a light. I was directly to the bus's right (you know, where the driver can look out that big glass door and see you). The light turned, we started. I forget at the moment who crossed the intersection first, but shortly thereafter there was a bus stop. He pulled on over and I was forced to brake hard to avoid getting wedged. When I confronted him, he revealed that he DID see me, but that he thought he should have right of way (at least this is what I got out of his broken English - he said No - I was there!!). Not without sympathy for drivers, I turned the guy (who refused to give me his name) in. I'm not out to get people in trouble, but I just couldn't see that driver's atrocious judgement going unchecked. Just to present the drivers' side: I have heard, and understand, complaints regarding bicylces being too far out in the roadway. We don't have the right to do that - we are required to stay as far right as we can. Also frustrating to drivers is passing a bicycle, only to have it pass you as you have to stop. This gets repeated several times. Diesel content: At the time of my incident, my current 240D was living in that town, I just didn't know it yet. Or that I wanted one, since in that weather, one is able to commute on the bike year-round (how I long for those days). Brian _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Intriguing idea. The concept is that drivers behind you in adverse conditions (like fog or powdery snow) can see you, but they are not blinded by you, nor do they perceive that you are either pulled off on the shoulder, or heading toward them?? I've never actually found out: Do fog lights really cut through fog? Most of the time, they are just used to look cool. Brian 83 240D From: Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:16:24 -0500 My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. You pretty much are One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning back because it was so bad. Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead. Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful. It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when the conditions were wrong. We were far enough back at times that I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all. do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution here. And yes, I too Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
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I've never actually found out: Do fog lights really cut through fog? Most of the time, they are just used to look cool. Yes indeed they do. And yes indeed they are. When it's so foggy that you find yourself rolling down your window to stick your head out to get a bit better visibility, _that's_ when having real fog lights (extra wide patterns with a sharp top cutoff, and not those stupid Subaru and Dodge pickup floodlights) can really help keep you on the road. And in those circumstances it can also help to be able to turn off the headlights and run only on the fogs. Days when you wish you could have stayed (or already be) home. -- Jim
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Very cool. I've learned something today. sharp top cutoff meaning they don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some. Brian From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:53 -0800 I've never actually found out: Do fog lights really cut through fog? Most of the time, they are just used to look cool. Yes indeed they do. And yes indeed they are. When it's so foggy that you find yourself rolling down your window to stick your head out to get a bit better visibility, _that's_ when having real fog lights (extra wide patterns with a sharp top cutoff, and not those stupid Subaru and Dodge pickup floodlights) can really help keep you on the road. And in those circumstances it can also help to be able to turn off the headlights and run only on the fogs. Days when you wish you could have stayed (or already be) home. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
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rumor has it that David wrote: I dunno, personally I think the dump trailers in Washington state that have 12 foot long tongues are pretty weird! I assume the weight limits there must be based on length? Kinda. It's probably because of what called bridge law and because it's practical - and it's not just it WA. Bridge law: (CAUTION: This is a super simplified version!!) The maximum allowed gross vehicle weight in reduced if the distance between axles is not enough. Thus a 5-axle truck/trailer is normally limited to 80,000 lbs GVW., but if it's a really short trailer it will be overweight if the GVW is 80,000 lbs. Practical reason. The truck can dump _without_ unhitching from the trailer. Philip, always happy to drive past a weight scale.
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Bob said One of my most satisfying driving experiences. Amen, Bob great story. Sometimes these things happen what goes around sometimes comes around. Great story thanks. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Tom shared: I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some impatient clown is right up in your trunk... The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around like he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know, waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my most satisifing driving experiences. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Amen to the story. One of my most memorable was several years ago when I had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis. After a bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very icy, I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got on that road. 10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver trying to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on one guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay on the road for an exit ramp. I felt like stopping and adding my version of how it might have happened. Didn't though. Probably should have. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270072 miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Bob said One of my most satisfying driving experiences. Amen, Bob great story. Sometimes these things happen what goes around sometimes comes around. Great story thanks. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Tom shared: I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some impatient clown is right up in your trunk... The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around like he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know, waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my most satisifing driving experiences. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I have had similar experiences. Once, in Dearborn MI, in a blizzard bad enough that I was driving my FJ40 in compound low on a major four lane road and was still unwilling to go more than 25mph, some moron in a Pontiac Fiero blew by me like I was standing still. Seconds later, he lost it, and found himself traveling down the road directly in front of me, backwards, staring at my tube bumpers which were of a height to take his head off flush with the dashboard. His eyes were about the biggest I have ever seen bugging out of the sockets of a human skull. I managed to avoid hitting him. I am relatively sure he was riding a little higher in the saddle after that. Lee BillR wrote: Amen to the story. One of my most memorable was several years ago when I had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis. After a bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very icy, I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got on that road. 10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver trying to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on one guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay on the road for an exit ramp. I felt like stopping and adding my version of how it might have happened. Didn't though. Probably should have. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270072 miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Bob said One of my most satisfying driving experiences. Amen, Bob great story. Sometimes these things happen what goes around sometimes comes around. Great story thanks. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Tom shared: I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some impatient clown is right up in your trunk... The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around like he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know, waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my most satisifing driving experiences. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Lee Einer Dos Manos Jewelry http://www.dosmanosjewelry.com
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Tom, You're speaking my language. And LT Don, I know what you mean with the drivers nearly hitting ya due to their innatention/impatience/self-importance. I drive a standard shift, and most people are just not expecting that shift to come, and their headlights disappear behind my trunk. I know one day I'm going to get bumped and you better believe I will prosecute. Brain-dead behavior like that deserves punishment. While I haven't yet gotten to drive my 240D more than a few hundred miles (but will soon - the engine swap should be done next week), I know too well about this phenomenon simply because I choose to drive in what I consider a reasonable manner. I don't see the need to stand on the accelerator by default. Intead, I relinquish a few (often zero) seconds of my day in favor of saving fuel, wear and tear on the vehicle, and generally not behaving like a gibbon behind the wheel. It's funny to see people passing me with white-hot fury only to turn off in a few blocks. They have saved anywhere from 5 - 15 seconds and have shit on their fellow man in the process. Driving does funny things to people indeed. I agree with Tom. Let 'em suffer. If someone tailgates or otherwise intentionally disrespects me I will go out of my way to inconvenience them more. Conversely, if they show common courtesy and intelligence behind the wheel, I will actually spend some of my fuel to make their day a bit nicer. Brian 83 240D (fast enough) 84 Saab 900 (more than fast enough) 68 Dodge Coronet 500 (helps me speak softly) From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 14:10:39 -0500 With the 240D, I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick enough accelerating. I say the rat bastards with there rock climbers will just have to weight and slow down. As slow as your (and my) 240D is it is still much faster than walking or taking the horse and buggy. People should be thankful of that fact. I thought the rural folk in Iowa would not be so yuppified as to realize that? I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, like not having food. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D slow 79 240D slower - Original Message - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go LT Don wrote: The '77 240D held a steady 85 mph coming back from OkieQ and saw 90 mph -- but it took a while to get there. ... I find that my greatest driving hazard here in rural Iowa is being too slow pulling away from a stop sign at a four way stop. Other drivers are used to timing their own acceleration based on how quickly a gasser (especially a V8 pickup) pulls away. With the 240D, I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick enough accelerating. Might be time for that S-Class. --- Oh, I think so, Don. Compared to a 240, an SD feels like a small-block 8 off the line. A few grains of sand or bit of dew on the pavement and you get wheelspin, and a bit more when it hits 2nd. Hold it in second and you can actually power drift tight corners with nicely controllable throttle-induced oversteer. And I'll bet high-speed mileage is no worse, perhaps better. Plus, at 85, you've still got 17 more to go for top speed, and still feels quite willing. Shudda bought my 300SD for $2,500 before I decided I couldn't live without it and kept it! :-) Dan -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Bill R said almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got Spout off time...The trucking industry is out of control. The worse the weather the faster they go. Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to San Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA now due to accidents which involve trucks. Basically a free for all. I read US traffic from trucks has increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of these garage haulers. Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a day, 6 to 7 days a week (PA has become the dump for NY and NJ, basically a milk run no wonder they are maniacs, familiarity breeds contempt) and they drive those things like Porsches. Big difference in rig weighing 100,000lbs doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons doing 70 mph. Something will need to be done about this nightmare...satellite tracking of each truck to measure/report speed is one answer, but how do you do you handle the three inches from your but stuff? Maybe separate roads? Only one good trucking outfit which drives correctly that I see, JB Hunt and they have become the brunt of all the other truckers jokes. I guess the other folks think they are wimpy because they drive safe. Unless a highway merge is taking place, they should all just stay in the right lane, trains could not pass, why do they think they should. (truck doing 25 mph passing the one doing 15 mph up a steep incline/two lane interstate f) We need a good diesel sky car...do a search on the Mollier sky car, it may be sooner than we think! Sorry fo spouting off Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Amen to the story. One of my most memorable was several years ago when I had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis. After a bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very icy, I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got on that road. 10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver trying to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on one guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay on the road for an exit ramp. I felt like stopping and adding my version of how it might have happened. Didn't though. Probably should have. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270072 miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Bob said One of my most satisfying driving experiences. Amen, Bob great story. Sometimes these things happen what goes around sometimes comes around. Great story thanks. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Tom shared: I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some impatient clown is right up in your trunk... The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around like he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know, waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my most satisifing driving experiences. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official
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My ethics professor [too many years ago] related a story of someone in Indianapolis doing a cross town drive with two versions. First he drove it on a weekday rush hour in a friendly style, obeying limits and common safety. The next day at the same hour he did the same trip in an aggressive, take every possible chance to save a second, tail gate and 'win' style. The result was a trip that took 45 seconds less than the day before. That is one of the nice things about Jacksonville vs. S. Florida. The drivers are nice. In a year of turning left out of out road onto the main road we have yet to have to wait to be let out when traffic is slow. The 'record' for the year is two cars going by before one stopped to let us out. That would have been worth leaving S. Florida/Miami traffic for. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270072 miles [until I go to church this morning] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Chase Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 1:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Tom, You're speaking my language. And LT Don, I know what you mean with the drivers nearly hitting ya due to their innatention/impatience/self-importance. I drive a standard shift, and most people are just not expecting that shift to come, and their headlights disappear behind my trunk. I know one day I'm going to get bumped and you better believe I will prosecute. Brain-dead behavior like that deserves punishment. While I haven't yet gotten to drive my 240D more than a few hundred miles (but will soon - the engine swap should be done next week), I know too well about this phenomenon simply because I choose to drive in what I consider a reasonable manner. I don't see the need to stand on the accelerator by default. Intead, I relinquish a few (often zero) seconds of my day in favor of saving fuel, wear and tear on the vehicle, and generally not behaving like a gibbon behind the wheel. It's funny to see people passing me with white-hot fury only to turn off in a few blocks. They have saved anywhere from 5 - 15 seconds and have shit on their fellow man in the process. Driving does funny things to people indeed. I agree with Tom. Let 'em suffer. If someone tailgates or otherwise intentionally disrespects me I will go out of my way to inconvenience them more. Conversely, if they show common courtesy and intelligence behind the wheel, I will actually spend some of my fuel to make their day a bit nicer. Brian 83 240D (fast enough) 84 Saab 900 (more than fast enough) 68 Dodge Coronet 500 (helps me speak softly) http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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How much faster is it than a D ? On 1/8/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go with a CD. On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:48:16 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, a 617.952 in a 123.133 chassis (3515lb) ought to be faster than a 617.951 in a 126.120 chassis (3625lb), if it's raw acceleration you're after. Then the 240D can be used for chassis parts. I prefer the 126 over the 123 though --- -- - -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, '87 300SDL 290K, '81 240D 173K, '78 450SLC 67K, '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K
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You're not the only one in the rant-zone. That's what delete is for - for those irritated by it. I think it's a very relevant topic. We spend a large part of our lives on the road. And I for one have a very hard time ignoring piss-poor behavior when I see it. I wish I could ignore it. It used to be, in my mind at least, that truckers and motorcycle riders are the best-trained, most ethical drivers on the road (save cyclists who are into speed, or otherwise hot-doggin'). I know I became obsessed with safe driving when I started riding. Many of us know of the unwritten rules of the road which are based on respect for your fellow driver. But I have witnessed more instances of truckers trying to intimidate with their size - tailgating, you name it. This primal behavior is bereft of any actual thought. What would the end result of this intimidation be if carried to fruition? Again, this is not thought through. I think the addition of a little thinking (yes, I said it) to the act of driving would save tons of problems (not to mention energy). While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. You pretty much are forced to come to a crawl, and if it goes on for enough consecutive seconds, you are essentially forced to stop. Of course stopping is a stupid thing to do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution here. And yes, I too hate it when I'm doing about as fast as icy or shushy conditions allow, and a semi blows by because they are more stable. Again, can I say they're specifically doing anything wrong? Not sure. I am sure that poor driving habits, driven by selfishness and laziness, is the foundation of most of the problems on the road. Brian From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 07:06:02 -0500 Bill R said almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got Spout off time...The trucking industry is out of control. The worse the weather the faster they go. Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to San Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA now due to accidents which involve trucks. Basically a free for all. I read US traffic from trucks has increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of these garage haulers. Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a day, 6 to 7 days a week (PA has become the dump for NY and NJ, basically a milk run no wonder they are maniacs, familiarity breeds contempt) and they drive those things like Porsches. Big difference in rig weighing 100,000lbs doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons doing 70 mph. Something will need to be done about this nightmare...satellite tracking of each truck to measure/report speed is one answer, but how do you do you handle the three inches from your but stuff? Maybe separate roads? Only one good trucking outfit which drives correctly that I see, JB Hunt and they have become the brunt of all the other truckers jokes. I guess the other folks think they are wimpy because they drive safe. Unless a highway merge is taking place, they should all just stay in the right lane, trains could not pass, why do they think they should. (truck doing 25 mph passing the one doing 15 mph up a steep incline/two lane interstate f) We need a good diesel sky car...do a search on the Mollier sky car, it may be sooner than we think! Sorry fo spouting off Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D 79 240D - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Amen to the story. One of my most memorable was several years ago when I had a thrice weekly trip from Western Indiana into Indianapolis. After a bad snow/ice storm when the interstate was just reopened and still very icy, I was doing about 40 mph - probably faster than I should have, and was almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got on that road. 10 miles later I saw this very innocent faced driver trying to explain to a trooper how his rig had ended up with the front end on one guard rail and the other end on the opposite one when he couldn't stay on the road for an exit ramp. I felt like stopping and adding my version of how it might have happened. Didn't though. Probably should have. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270072 miles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Scordato Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 9:41 PM To: Mercedes
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While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. You pretty much are One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning back because it was so bad. Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead. Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful. It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when the conditions were wrong. We were far enough back at times that I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all. do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution here. And yes, I too Rear fog light? Two of our MB's have them now. (Frankenheap and the for-sale SL.) My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled under the back seat. -- Jim
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Amen! I also have close to a million miles of driving, some in mid size trucks, but mostly in cars. And over 5000 miles in Europe, at speed. Without a doubt, its crazy car driving that is the worst problem on our roads, especially cutting in and out on the interstates and city beltways, OFTEN without enough clearance to safely change lanes. When dicing with a big semi, that can spell disaster, with the truck getting the headlines and blame. Besides a good 5 cent cigar, we really need a good driver training and licensing program! Werner - Original Message - From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks rumor has it that Tom wrote: Bill R said almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got Spout off time... Now for the other side... For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have driven nearly 1,000,000 total. The trucking industry is out of control. The worse the weather the faster they go. Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to San Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA now due to accidents which involve trucks. How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame. The view from the drivers seat in a big truck during heavy traffic reminds me of trying to walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me. I'm afraid I'll step on one if I try to move. Basically a free for all. I read US traffic from trucks has increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of these garage haulers. From what I've seen, the quantity of dangerous drivers is much higher in cars than it big trucks. Sure, there are maniac truck drivers. And a 40 ton truck driven by a maniac _is_ scarier than a maniac-driven Fiero. Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a day, 6 to 7 days a week Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12 hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to squeeze as many mile as practical? Add to that the nutty scheduling that dispatches hand out, plus shippers and receivers that pay _no_ attention to the amount of wasted driver's time. Here's a typical situation. Dispatch says I have a 500 mile load for you. Pick appointment is 8AM, delivery appointment is 8PM That's about 10 hrs of driving and 12 hr to do it. No problem! So I arrive and check in at the shippers at 7:30. At 8:45 I'm assigned a door. At 8:50 I bump the dock. Two pallets are loaded, but then it's 9:00 and break time. At 9:30 they start loading again. At 10:00, the truck is loaded, but the office is slow and it's nearly 10:30 by the time I have the papers and am pulling out of the yard. Now I have 9.5 hours to get there. Well, if I don't eat and there's no traffic,or bad weather, or construction I'll be fine. I call ahead to the receiver to see how tight the appointment is. They often say You can't show up more than 1 hour early, and if you're more than 15 minutes late we'll have to reschedule you for tomorrow or the next day. Missing an appointment is bad. Not only might I have to waste a day or more, it could also result it penalties for me and/or the company I drive for. I'll quickly point out that I think staying alive is worth more than 2 days wages, loosing a customer, and lost bonuses - but it is motivation to keep moving!!! and they drive those things like Porsches. Big difference in rig weighing 100,000lbs doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons doing 70 mph. No, not like a Porsche! Trust me, a 240D with an tired engine and a automatic transmission is _much_ quicker than a typical big truck!! Top speed may be faster, but acceleration with a load is slw, even with a souped-up large car. One consequence is that a truck driver is often reluctant to slow down because it can take so long to get back up to speed. (One truck I drove, with a full load on level ground would take more than 1.5 miles to go from 50 mph to 60 mph) Add to that the frustration of lost momentum at the bottom of a hill that can result in losing 4 gears on the climb rather than 1 gear - all because an idiot 4-wheeler was doing something stupid. Something will need to be done about this nightmare...satellite tracking of each truck to measure/report speed is one answer, but how do you do you handle the three inches from your but stuff? Let's do that to the cars. There are _lots_ more over-speed cars than over-speed trucks. Maybe separate roads? Good idea. Let the big trucks do their job and keep the jerks in the cars away! Only one good trucking outfit which drives correctly that I see, JB Hunt !!!!!! and they have become the brunt of all the other truckers jokes. Swift, Schneider, and Roadway get their share. Unless a highway merge is taking place, they should all just stay
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I find most truckers are courteous, professional drivers, and are generally nice to me if I'm nice to them. (How many of you have ever hung back to let a semi change lanes in heavy traffic? I frequently do, and often get a thank you taillight flash.) They have a tough job and most of them do it superbly. It's just that the occasional bad apple stands out, because the consequences of their actions can be so massive. There are problems in the industry, but most of them aren't so much the fault of the drivers, but rather companies trying to squeeze out every last cent of profit. One study in Michigan found that half the trucks on the road were over the legal weight limit.
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Philip - I must admit you have many good points. As a closing thought, if there were 99 trucks (or cars, for that matter) that were driving sensible and then along came 1 lunatic - would you remember the 99, or just the 1? That is quite true. I have seen more crazy 4 wheel drivers than 18 wheel ones, it is just that usually I can get further from the 4 wheel ones and they seem less threatening. In the 4 years I worked as an EMT the score was '0' big rig drivers [and yes, they could have caused some of the 4 wheelers to go belly up] and lots of 4 wheelers needing extrication and such. As a rule I agree that truckers have been the best mannered and most adept drivers around. If we could just get rid of the rest of them ... Big rig and 4 wheelers both. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD EM 270k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fmiser Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks rumor has it that Tom wrote: Bill R said almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler. About as scared as I ever got Spout off time... Now for the other side... For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have driven nearly 1,000,000 total.
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These aren't normally SUVs -- they are little old ladies who are driving without thinking. or teenagers in pickups. On 1/7/06, Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the 240D, I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick enough accelerating. I say the rat bastards with there rock climbers will just have to weight and slow down. As slow as your (and my) 240D is it is still much faster than walking or taking the horse and buggy. People should be thankful of that fact. I thought the rural folk in Iowa would not be so yuppified as to realize that? I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, like not having food. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 77 300D slow 79 240D slower - Original Message - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 10:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go LT Don wrote: The '77 240D held a steady 85 mph coming back from OkieQ and saw 90 mph -- but it took a while to get there. ... I find that my greatest driving hazard here in rural Iowa is being too slow pulling away from a stop sign at a four way stop. Other drivers are used to timing their own acceleration based on how quickly a gasser (especially a V8 pickup) pulls away. With the 240D, I've come close to being t-boned a time or two because I just wasn't quick enough accelerating. Might be time for that S-Class. --- Oh, I think so, Don. Compared to a 240, an SD feels like a small-block 8 off the line. A few grains of sand or bit of dew on the pavement and you get wheelspin, and a bit more when it hits 2nd. Hold it in second and you can actually power drift tight corners with nicely controllable throttle-induced oversteer. And I'll bet high-speed mileage is no worse, perhaps better. Plus, at 85, you've still got 17 more to go for top speed, and still feels quite willing. Shudda bought my 300SD for $2,500 before I decided I couldn't live without it and kept it! :-) Dan -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go
Tom shared: I do pull over into the breakdown lane and let people pass when entering a highway on ramp though just as an act of kindness. Other than that they can wait the 2 to 5 extra seconds. It does not hurt that much compared to the real problems in the world, We all know how much more smokey the exhaust looks at night when some impatient clown is right up in your trunk... The other night I was going along at the speed limit on a strech of single lane road along which there are three stop signs and a fair amount of traffic. This bozo was right on my rear the enite time swerving around like he's trying to dodge the exhaust. When the single lane turned into two, he flew around me like I was nailed to the pavement. About a mile down the road, he was pulled over by Lohn Law. As I drove by, the cop, whom I know, waved at me and the dork in the Neon, whom I don't know, waved at me although not in the same way and using only one finger. One of my most satisifing driving experiences. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ
