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Nice score! I've got a 3 inch 12v fan from an old UPS that I'm going to re-purpose as a ventilation fan, solar powered, in my sailboat. It draws some very small current, I'm thinking it is 25 mA or so. Planning to put a 50W panel on a controller to both charge the boat's deep cycle battery and

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Speaking of fans for wood stoves, I was at the thrift shop yesterday and found two 8" 12V fans. I bought them, and they're extremely quiet. 9 blades on them, they look like submarine propellers. They draw about 160mA each at 12V, and blow a nice amount of air. If these were on our wood stove I

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via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that has never been used "in anger". It outputs 12v also which can be handy.It would be super useful f

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hours on it. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Curt Raymond via Mercedes Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 11:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Curt Raymond Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that has never been used "in

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Oh, there isn't a space between the  end of my link and the next word.https://lanternnet.com/product/dietz-10-monarch-hot-blast-lantern/ I'll try two spaces this time. The list serv and Yahoo mail don't really get along. The list serv strips out most of my formatting. Any of those lanterns will

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Got the hot/cold blasts confused. This one is hot - https://lanternnet.com/product/dietz-10-monarch-hot-blast-lantern/ On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 5:17 PM OK Don wrote: > Like this one? Might keep an 8X8X8 well house above freezing with -10°F > temps? Your like went to a 30W incandescent bulb: >

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Like this one? Might keep an 8X8X8 well house above freezing with -10°F temps? Your like went to a 30W incandescent bulb: https://lanternnet.com/product/dietz-80-blizzard-cold-blast-lantern/ On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > A look at

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A look at Craigslist/yard sales/flea markets will yield loads of these tubular lanterns. Jim's link is a cold blast version, the doodad at the top takes air from outside, funnels it down those tubes where it gets to the flame. Cold blast lanterns make the most light for fuel volume in the

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Well you don't need to worry about food in the fridge going bad, just put it in boxes outside or on the porch. Get one of those little 2 stroke generators from HF, they are like $90 and will run your blowers fine.  They are quite handy too to keep in the truck to run a tool or air pump or

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> I need a kerosene lamp - what/where do I get one? Recommendations please. What about: https://www.redhillgeneralstore.com/Oil-Lanterns/Camping-Oil-Lantern.htm?color=red 45 hour burn time. -- Jim

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Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: >> I worry most about the well house freezing up - lots of pipe and two large >> water filters in there. We keep it above freezing with those 500W IR heat >> lamps, two for backup, but when there's no power ... > > Kerosene lamp. Or even candles, assuming you can

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> I worry most about the well house freezing up - lots of pipe and two large > water filters in there. We keep it above freezing with those 500W IR heat > lamps, two for backup, but when there's no power ... Kerosene lamp. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

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I was just thinking about that. I have a clamp on inverter around here somewhere. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2021, at 12:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > Is the blower 120V? If so, use an inverter and a car battery to run it. If > not 120V, use a 12V computer fan like Jim

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Is the blower 120V? If so, use an inverter and a car battery to run it. If not 120V, use a 12V computer fan like Jim said. Zip tie it in front of the intake for the blower. Our power was off for an hour this morning, since it was almost exactly an hour I assume it was a rolling blackout. It came

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I think for now I at least need to get some sort of portable generator. Worse case I could have run an extension cord into the house to run the thing. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2021, at 11:52 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > >  >> >> an insert with a blower but I guess it will still out out

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Power just came back on, for now. Plugged the blower in and she is throwing out a lot of heat. Also the heat pump kicked back on, outside unit and all. It’s now up to 6 outside and those instructions said when it got above 5 the lockout should end so I guess it was just doing what it was

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> an insert with a blower but I guess it will still out out some heat without > the blower. No, not much. Better than nothing, but not by much. Add a 12V computer fan and a car battery to the mix and you'd actually get some heat out of it. The heating units designed for forced air just

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It takes awhile for the stove and chimney to heat up to the point you really radiate heat.The stove we have at camp (An "All Nighter" which is a copy of a Fisher) has around 100# of firebrick inside. The first hour its lit from cold you're just heating the stove, after that you start to heat

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Well that's weird. I don't think I've ever seen a carb fail while the engine was running.My little generator has a real actual carb bowl. I was surprised when I found that, I figured it'd be more like a Tillotson or Walbro carb on a snowmobile or chainsaw that has just a small space that acts

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It’s good and hot now. Fire going good, top of it is hot but unfortunately without the blower it does not push much heat into the room. It’s now down to 58 in here by the maybe it’s putting off enough heat to keep it from dropping faster than without it. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16,

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On 2021-02-16 10:58, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that has never been used "in anger". It outputs 12v also which can be handy.It would be super useful for you now as it would easily run your blower and just sip fuel. Its supposed to run 8 hours at half

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Every year I go through a period of relearning how to get maximum output from the stove. There are a couple rules but its really more an art than a science. The quality of the wood makes a big difference as does outside temps and, to a lesser degree, even wind speed and direction. -Curt

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I've got a 1200w 2 stroke generator that has never been used "in anger". It outputs 12v also which can be handy.It would be super useful for you now as it would easily run your blower and just sip fuel. Its supposed to run 8 hours at half load on 1 gallon of gas. A Honda 2000w would be better

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It’s got an air control on each side, I can’t remember if they are pushed in or pulled out to open are flow into it. They were pushed in and it seemed like the fire was dying down with the doors closed so I pulled them out. As I said it’s been a while since I have used this thing. Sent from

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Nope it’s all contained in the original brick chimney. I closed the doors on it and will see what happens I really need to look into a generator or some sort. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: > >  > The doors will probably make more heat, you're

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Closed, always with the doors closed. That's what allows you to control the air going in, otherwise all your warmed room air is going up the chimney. -Curt On Tuesday, February 16, 2021, 11:39:46 AM EST, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: So got questions about these inserts. I have

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The doors will probably make more heat, you're losing it up the chimney because its getting too much air. I've got a thermometer on the stove pipe and I'm always interested in the fact that maximum heat is NOT achieved with maximum air. You've got to run a lot of air to get the fire going and

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So got questions about these inserts. I have ran it before with the blower going and the doors closed and it will heat the house nicely. With no power should I run it with the doors open or closed? It’s burning pretty good now but seems like there is very little head coming off of it yet.

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Got the fire going. Of course it will take a while to start putting off some heat. Without the doors closed and the blower going, it seems like it’s probably operating like a regular fireplace with most of the heat going ok the chimney. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16, 2021, at 10:07 AM,

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Some of those units do pretty amazing things in the cold these days. 10-15 years ago 20F was the practical minimum but I've read of units that will still work down to 0F and there are some that probably go colder. I suspect efficiency takes a dump at those temps though. The guy I'm training to

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I don’t know if size matters but it’s a 5 ton unit and even when it was in the single digest I could tell it was putting out heat. I could tell the difference between when the outside unit was running and when it was shut down and only using the aux heat. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 16,

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be worth >> > downloading and browsing the owners' manual (or might not; some are much >> > worse than others). >> > >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> > Sent: Monday, February 15

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There's no point in it running if it can't extract any heat from the air.  It's a wonder it was running and putting out much when it got down below 20F or so. --FT On 2/16/21 10:36 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: Power just came back on a few minutes ago.  Outside unit still not

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e: >>>>>> >>>>>> Probably, given the outside temps and state of charge, the gas pressure going into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils from absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>>>>

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others). > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:52 PM > To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question > > Sounds like the unit just ki

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es On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question Well I went out and checked it. When I looked at in there was no frost on the coils that I could see in the center part. I pull

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>>>> again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>

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>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2021, at 2:17 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Probably, given the outside temps

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021, at 2:17 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Probably, given the outside temps and state of charge, the gas >> pressure going into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils &g

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February 15, 2021 11:52 PM > To: Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question > > Sounds like the unit just kicked back on. Guess we shall see how the night > goes. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 15, 2021, at 10

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That's what I'd be doing, light the fire and throw an extra blanket on the bed. Feb 15, 2021 11:44:21 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes : > I think you're below the temps where a ambient-air heat pump really does > anything at all. But as I said earlier I'm not speaking from experience. > > I'd fire

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re going into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils > from absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >

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low if ice prevents the coils from >>>>> absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>> Sent: Monday,

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and state of charge, the gas pressure >>>>> going into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils from >>>>> absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>

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low if ice prevents the coils from >>>>> absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>>> Sent: Monday,

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>> going into the compressor gets too low if ice prevents the coils from >>>> absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>> >>>> -----Original Message- >>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Ka

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gh heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM >>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>&

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low if ice prevents the coils from >>> absorbing enough heat to raise the pressure (from that very cold air). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM &

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the pressure (from that very cold air). -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question Well I went out and checked it. When I looked

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ge- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Cc: Kaleb Striplin > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question > > Well I went out and checked it. When I looked at in there was no frost on > t

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question Well I went out and checked it. When I looked at in there was no frost on the coils that I could see in the center part. I pulled the cover and sure enough

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defrost systems. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 10:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb Striplin Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heat pump question Well I went out and checked it. When I looked at in there was no frost

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Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes writes: > Is there some sort of reason at these low temps that the outside unit > would shut itself down for a period of time then fire back up?  Does > the system determine that it is so cold outside that the outside unit > is not producing any heat anyway and shuts

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Well I went out and checked it.  When I looked at in there was no frost on the coils that I could see in the center part.  I pulled the cover and sure enough it was blinking a low pressure lockout. With the side cover off I could see some frost on the outside of the coils, not a whole lot