Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Still sitting in the garage. Probably going to put them on ebay but would
rather not as I refuse to pack and ship them.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:29 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> I could bring them to Phoenix but it might be a few months.
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:29 PM Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I just paid 500 to get the wheels redone and 600+ for the tires at
>> Costco. They have never been on a car since refinishing/mounting. I
>> replaced this setup with factory 15s. I was going to put them on another
>> wagon but the trucker crushed that car in the left rear. I guess I would
>> ask a grand.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I'm in the Phoenix, AZ area.. so quite handy.. sort of..
>>> $$??
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Craig via Mercedes <
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>>> wrote:
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>>> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:14:14 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are
>>> > > you, for shipping consideration?
>>> >
>>> > He's in Southern California.
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

I could bring them to Phoenix but it might be a few months.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 6:29 PM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> Well, I just paid 500 to get the wheels redone and 600+ for the tires at
> Costco. They have never been on a car since refinishing/mounting. I
> replaced this setup with factory 15s. I was going to put them on another
> wagon but the trucker crushed that car in the left rear. I guess I would
> ask a grand.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I'm in the Phoenix, AZ area.. so quite handy.. sort of..
>> $$??
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Craig via Mercedes > >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:14:14 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > > Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are
>> > > you, for shipping consideration?
>> >
>> > He's in Southern California.
>> >
>> >
>> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Well, I just paid 500 to get the wheels redone and 600+ for the tires at
Costco. They have never been on a car since refinishing/mounting. I
replaced this setup with factory 15s. I was going to put them on another
wagon but the trucker crushed that car in the left rear. I guess I would
ask a grand.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 11:25 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Thanks, I'm in the Phoenix, AZ area.. so quite handy.. sort of..
> $$??
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:14:14 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are
> > > you, for shipping consideration?
> >
> > He's in Southern California.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Thanks, I'm in the Phoenix, AZ area.. so quite handy.. sort of..
$$??

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:51 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:14:14 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are
> > you, for shipping consideration?
>
> He's in Southern California.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:14:14 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are
> you, for shipping consideration?

He's in Southern California.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Throw me a price on those 5 wheel/tires if you would... and where are you,
for shipping consideration?
Thanks, Grant..


On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 3:17 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Anyone need a set of refinished factory 14" bundt wheels with new Michelin
> defenders? I have 5 I dont need.
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 3:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 16/09/2020 4:28 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Randy, the zombies are all wandering about with masks on their snoots.
> >  I watched my parents get put on and taken off medications for over 40
> > years.  Initially, the drugs were hailed as miracles. Then, a few years
> > later, the results come in and the doctors are concerned with the
> negative
> > impacts, so, “here, try this wonder drug instead”.   Last time I chatted
> > with my nonagenarian mother, she tells me she wished she had not taken
> all
> > the medications and had quit the stuff he GP was pushing for her current
> > issues.  Figured there was nothing that chemistry was going to solve with
> > nine decades of wear living had built up.
> > >
> > > We need to keep our old cars on the road.  Hope you are driving that
> 240D
> > >
> > > clay
> > >
> > It is a 300D but I have hardly driven it at all this summer. It has a
> > few issues and I have been slow in addressing them. I did have 5 new
> > tires installed on this past Sunday. The old tires had tread but they
> > were OLD. I never tried to look at the codes on them but I have had the
> > car for about 14 years and they were on it when I got it so I was
> > beginning to feel like I ought not to trust them at highway speeds.
> >
> > I have the part but have still not installed the fuel shutoff solenoid
> > so I have to open the hood every time I want to stop the motor. I also
> > need to change the oil, coolant and ATF. Probably a few other things I
> > should be doing on it too.
> >
> > At least the brakes looked pretty good when I had the wheels off on
> Sunday.
> >
> > RB
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Anyone need a set of refinished factory 14" bundt wheels with new Michelin
defenders? I have 5 I dont need.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 3:06 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 16/09/2020 4:28 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
> > Randy, the zombies are all wandering about with masks on their snoots.
>  I watched my parents get put on and taken off medications for over 40
> years.  Initially, the drugs were hailed as miracles. Then, a few years
> later, the results come in and the doctors are concerned with the negative
> impacts, so, “here, try this wonder drug instead”.   Last time I chatted
> with my nonagenarian mother, she tells me she wished she had not taken all
> the medications and had quit the stuff he GP was pushing for her current
> issues.  Figured there was nothing that chemistry was going to solve with
> nine decades of wear living had built up.
> >
> > We need to keep our old cars on the road.  Hope you are driving that 240D
> >
> > clay
> >
> It is a 300D but I have hardly driven it at all this summer. It has a
> few issues and I have been slow in addressing them. I did have 5 new
> tires installed on this past Sunday. The old tires had tread but they
> were OLD. I never tried to look at the codes on them but I have had the
> car for about 14 years and they were on it when I got it so I was
> beginning to feel like I ought not to trust them at highway speeds.
>
> I have the part but have still not installed the fuel shutoff solenoid
> so I have to open the hood every time I want to stop the motor. I also
> need to change the oil, coolant and ATF. Probably a few other things I
> should be doing on it too.
>
> At least the brakes looked pretty good when I had the wheels off on Sunday.
>
> RB
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 16/09/2020 4:28 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

Randy, the zombies are all wandering about with masks on their snoots.   I 
watched my parents get put on and taken off medications for over 40 years.  
Initially, the drugs were hailed as miracles. Then, a few years later, the 
results come in and the doctors are concerned with the negative impacts, so, 
“here, try this wonder drug instead”.   Last time I chatted with my 
nonagenarian mother, she tells me she wished she had not taken all the 
medications and had quit the stuff he GP was pushing for her current issues.  
Figured there was nothing that chemistry was going to solve with nine decades 
of wear living had built up.

We need to keep our old cars on the road.  Hope you are driving that 240D

clay

It is a 300D but I have hardly driven it at all this summer. It has a 
few issues and I have been slow in addressing them. I did have 5 new 
tires installed on this past Sunday. The old tires had tread but they 
were OLD. I never tried to look at the codes on them but I have had the 
car for about 14 years and they were on it when I got it so I was 
beginning to feel like I ought not to trust them at highway speeds.


I have the part but have still not installed the fuel shutoff solenoid 
so I have to open the hood every time I want to stop the motor. I also 
need to change the oil, coolant and ATF. Probably a few other things I 
should be doing on it too.


At least the brakes looked pretty good when I had the wheels off on Sunday.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Clay via Mercedes]

Randy, the zombies are all wandering about with masks on their snoots.   I 
watched my parents get put on and taken off medications for over 40 years.  
Initially, the drugs were hailed as miracles. Then, a few years later, the 
results come in and the doctors are concerned with the negative impacts, so, 
“here, try this wonder drug instead”.   Last time I chatted with my 
nonagenarian mother, she tells me she wished she had not taken all the 
medications and had quit the stuff he GP was pushing for her current issues.  
Figured there was nothing that chemistry was going to solve with nine decades 
of wear living had built up.

We need to keep our old cars on the road.  Hope you are driving that 240D

clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 12:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 16/09/2020 3:54 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:
>> Thalidomide
>> Phen Fen
>> Benzodiazipam
>> Oxycontin
>> and the list of Oops drugs goes on.   Haste does make waste, and the current 
>> plague will waste a number of lives by mismanagement and hysteria.   Let 
>> them test it on the wild third world pixies.
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> But, what if it changes them into zombies and they come for you??
> 
> RB

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 16/09/2020 3:54 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote:

Thalidomide
Phen Fen
Benzodiazipam
Oxycontin
and the list of Oops drugs goes on.   Haste does make waste, and the current 
plague will waste a number of lives by mismanagement and hysteria.   Let them 
test it on the wild third world pixies.


clay


But, what if it changes them into zombies and they come for you??

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Clay via Mercedes]

Thalidomide
Phen Fen
Benzodiazipam
Oxycontin
and the list of Oops drugs goes on.   Haste does make waste, and the current 
plague will waste a number of lives by mismanagement and hysteria.   Let them 
test it on the wild third world pixies.


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Sep 16, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> By definition you don't know the long term outcomes until the long term is
> up.
> 
> Similarly, the side effects are not always known until a vaccine or
> medication is released to the general population, as safety studies are
> done in limited numbers of subjects.
> 
> It will be really interesting to follow all the various candidates as they
> go through trials. It is great to see vaccines getting some positive air
> time and see people excited about them and supportive for a change.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 9:50 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Because Sinobio failed doesn't mean all the 120 labs worldwide that are
>> working on a vaccine will also fail. New techniques and new knowledge about
>> the covid virus have emerged, and some labs have had positive results. I
>> think there will be vaccines out but it may take a long time to prove their
>> safety and effectiveness or lack of safety and effectiveness IMO.
>> Gerry
>> 
>> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:56:04 +
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>>> Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful,
>> slim and none.
>>> 
>>> This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1
>> unsuccessfully. Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.
>>> 
>>> https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry
>>> 
>>> What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a
>> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
>> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
>> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
>>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes > mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Long time, no hear...
>>> 
>>>> Rick
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>>> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
>>> Thanks for your concern.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 We also don't know what trouble "real" humans will get into until we get 
there. Back in 2002 I worked in software testing. It was interesting to watch 
bug reports roll in after the software release and see what bizarre things 
people would try.
I'm sure there will be plenty of "I just got the vaccine, lets go on a 2 day 
bender with hookers and blow!" which will bring up all sorts of interesting 
side-effects nobody could have anticipated.
-Curt

On Wednesday, September 16, 2020, 2:36:56 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 By definition you don't know the long term outcomes until the long term is
up.

Similarly, the side effects are not always known until a vaccine or
medication is released to the general population, as safety studies are
done in limited numbers of subjects.

It will be really interesting to follow all the various candidates as they
go through trials. It is great to see vaccines getting some positive air
time and see people excited about them and supportive for a change.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 9:50 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Because Sinobio failed doesn't mean all the 120 labs worldwide that are
> working on a vaccine will also fail. New techniques and new knowledge about
> the covid virus have emerged, and some labs have had positive results. I
> think there will be vaccines out but it may take a long time to prove their
> safety and effectiveness or lack of safety and effectiveness IMO.
> Gerry
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:56:04 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful,
> slim and none.
> >
> > This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1
> unsuccessfully. Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.
> >
> > https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine
> >
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry
> >
> > What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a
> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> > -Curt
> >
> >    On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> >  On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes  mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Long time, no hear...
> >
> > > Rick
> > > ___
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> > I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> > Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> > Thanks for your concern.
> > Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

By definition you don't know the long term outcomes until the long term is
up.

Similarly, the side effects are not always known until a vaccine or
medication is released to the general population, as safety studies are
done in limited numbers of subjects.

It will be really interesting to follow all the various candidates as they
go through trials. It is great to see vaccines getting some positive air
time and see people excited about them and supportive for a change.


On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 9:50 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Because Sinobio failed doesn't mean all the 120 labs worldwide that are
> working on a vaccine will also fail. New techniques and new knowledge about
> the covid virus have emerged, and some labs have had positive results. I
> think there will be vaccines out but it may take a long time to prove their
> safety and effectiveness or lack of safety and effectiveness IMO.
> Gerry
>
> On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:56:04 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful,
> slim and none.
> >
> > This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1
> unsuccessfully. Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.
> >
> > https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine
> >
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry
> >
> > What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a
> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> >  On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes  mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Long time, no hear...
> >
> > > Rick
> > > ___
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> > I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> > Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> > Thanks for your concern.
> > Gerry
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Because Sinobio failed doesn't mean all the 120 labs worldwide that are working 
on a vaccine will also fail. New techniques and new knowledge about the covid 
virus have emerged, and some labs have had positive results. I think there will 
be vaccines out but it may take a long time to prove their safety and 
effectiveness or lack of safety and effectiveness IMO.
Gerry 

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:56:04 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful, slim 
> and none.
> 
> This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1 
> unsuccessfully. Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.
> 
> https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine
> 
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry
> 
> What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a lot 
> of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me considering 
> the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
>  On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> > Long time, no hear...
> 
> > Rick
> > ___
> 
> Hi Rick,
> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> Thanks for your concern.
> Gerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes  writes:

> I think MIT and maybe Stanford put all their courses online already
> for anyo e who wants to take them.

They do, but you don't get MIT or Stanford credit unless you are
enrolled (and paying tuition).

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Every college kid should just take a leave of absence and do something
meaningful like learn to fly or weld or go fight forest fires or something.
Sail around the world. There are already about a million great online
classes. I think MIT and maybe Stanford put all their courses online
already for anyo e who wants to take them.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 1:52 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I’m wondering how the many lawsuits that are ruminating out there over
> tuition refunds because you didn’t attend on campus classes are going to be
> filed (or have been filed?)
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe the children stay on campus, maybe not.
> >
> > My youngest chose to gap year because his college had a come to campus
> but only offers online classes, then ship the kids home at mid-term to
> continue online learning over the Thanksgiving to New Year holidays.
> Sounded like a great way to load up on plague then ship it out to family
> gatherings.   Not worth the $55k for poor quality education and the hassles
> of travel, then infecting parents and grandparents.   IT would be fun to
> track the mutations being developed by region and how they spread and
> interact going into 2021.
> >
> >
> > clay
> >
> > “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our
> history, about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this
> general bout of self-recrimination and wetness.”
> >
> > B. Johnson
> > 01/09/2020
> >
> >> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> They will probably make one available, but with no long term data for
> >> either efficacy or safety. So you might take all the risk and get covid
> a
> >> few months later, or a vaccine side effect. It will be another option
> that
> >> people will not know how to think properly about for awhile until some
> >> outcomes are available in a few years. Probably a lot of higher risk
> folks
> >> would take it even if it only offered 4 months of protection, kinda like
> >> the flu vaccine. But young, low risk people are going to opt out
> mostly. I
> >> have two relatives in college right now. Both have it. Colleges are like
> >> little covid sanatoriums at the moment; kids will just stay there while
> >> sick to avoid infecting their families.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If you develop COVID-like symptoms would you agree to get tested and then
self-isolate while awaiting the results?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:09 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Give me Liberty, or give me COVID-19!  I'll gamble big, and bet against the
> 99.99% odds that the Wuhan Red Death will get me.  Evolution won't be
> impacted, SWMBO and Daughter will get a nice big fat INSCO pay-out should I
> get to heaven before them.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe they will have a big anti-vaxxer convention. Indoors, of course.
> With
> > an open bar.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m wondering how the many lawsuits that are ruminating out there over tuition 
refunds because you didn’t attend on campus classes are going to be filed (or 
have been filed?)

-D

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Maybe the children stay on campus, maybe not.
> 
> My youngest chose to gap year because his college had a come to campus but 
> only offers online classes, then ship the kids home at mid-term to continue 
> online learning over the Thanksgiving to New Year holidays.  Sounded like a 
> great way to load up on plague then ship it out to family gatherings.   Not 
> worth the $55k for poor quality education and the hassles of travel, then 
> infecting parents and grandparents.   IT would be fun to track the mutations 
> being developed by region and how they spread and interact going into 2021.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> “I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
> about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
> self-recrimination and wetness.”
> 
> B. Johnson
> 01/09/2020
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> They will probably make one available, but with no long term data for
>> either efficacy or safety. So you might take all the risk and get covid a
>> few months later, or a vaccine side effect. It will be another option that
>> people will not know how to think properly about for awhile until some
>> outcomes are available in a few years. Probably a lot of higher risk folks
>> would take it even if it only offered 4 months of protection, kinda like
>> the flu vaccine. But young, low risk people are going to opt out mostly. I
>> have two relatives in college right now. Both have it. Colleges are like
>> little covid sanatoriums at the moment; kids will just stay there while
>> sick to avoid infecting their families.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Clay via Mercedes]

Maybe the children stay on campus, maybe not.

My youngest chose to gap year because his college had a come to campus but only 
offers online classes, then ship the kids home at mid-term to continue online 
learning over the Thanksgiving to New Year holidays.  Sounded like a great way 
to load up on plague then ship it out to family gatherings.   Not worth the 
$55k for poor quality education and the hassles of travel, then infecting 
parents and grandparents.   IT would be fun to track the mutations being 
developed by region and how they spread and interact going into 2021.


clay 

“I think it’s time we stopped  our cringing embarrassment about our history, 
about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
self-recrimination and wetness.”

B. Johnson
01/09/2020

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> They will probably make one available, but with no long term data for
> either efficacy or safety. So you might take all the risk and get covid a
> few months later, or a vaccine side effect. It will be another option that
> people will not know how to think properly about for awhile until some
> outcomes are available in a few years. Probably a lot of higher risk folks
> would take it even if it only offered 4 months of protection, kinda like
> the flu vaccine. But young, low risk people are going to opt out mostly. I
> have two relatives in college right now. Both have it. Colleges are like
> little covid sanatoriums at the moment; kids will just stay there while
> sick to avoid infecting their families.


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Give me Liberty, or give me COVID-19!  I'll gamble big, and bet against the
99.99% odds that the Wuhan Red Death will get me.  Evolution won't be
impacted, SWMBO and Daughter will get a nice big fat INSCO pay-out should I
get to heaven before them.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 12:08 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe they will have a big anti-vaxxer convention. Indoors, of course. With
> an open bar.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

They will probably make one available, but with no long term data for
either efficacy or safety. So you might take all the risk and get covid a
few months later, or a vaccine side effect. It will be another option that
people will not know how to think properly about for awhile until some
outcomes are available in a few years. Probably a lot of higher risk folks
would take it even if it only offered 4 months of protection, kinda like
the flu vaccine. But young, low risk people are going to opt out mostly. I
have two relatives in college right now. Both have it. Colleges are like
little covid sanatoriums at the moment; kids will just stay there while
sick to avoid infecting their families.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 4:59 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a
> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Long time, no hear...
>
> > Rick
> > ___
>
> Hi Rick,
> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> Thanks for your concern.
> Gerry
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Maybe they will have a big anti-vaxxer convention. Indoors, of course. With
an open bar.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 12:05 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Think of it as evolution in action
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Once one or more vaccines are available I wonder what the antivaxxer
> rate
> > will be of people who refuse under any circumstances to get
> inoculated.
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is informative. Thank you!
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who
> >> developed her own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at
> the
> >> hospital, another who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and
> >> affiliated with drug development efforts at the hospital, and his wife)
> got
> >> the first Astra Zeneca doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others
> are
> >> 50/50) 2 weeks ago locally. Trials were briefly suspended last week
> after a
> >> possibly (but not likely)-related illness in U.K.  But will likely
> resume
> >> maybe this week after NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in
> U.K.
> >> US and Brazil.
> >>>
> >>> I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this
> >> in some detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood
> draws to
> >> monitor responses.
> >>>
> >>> There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The
> >> different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I
> >> forget the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the
> >> structure and function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and
> >> unique, hence the vaccine challenges and possibly different
> >> effectivenesses).
> >>>
> >>> He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2
> or
> >> 3 different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty
> high
> >> (flu shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last
> maybe a
> >> coupla years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets
> >> about it.
> >>>
> >>> My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on
> >> herself to see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might
> do
> >> it...
> >>>
> >>> I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability
> and
> >> am waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche
> (60
> >> people) are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign
> up ,
> >> he thinks I have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting
> >> invited in. If you get the actual dose, and it actually works, your
> >> immunity would develop over a month or two, it is not necessarily
> >> immediate, which is how these things work. And even if tests don’t show
> you
> >> have the antibodies, you might still have immunity because humans have
> >> different mechanisms (I think he told me there are 3 mechanisms) for
> >> immunity not all of which will show up on the easier tests. So a lot of
> it
> >> is biology and not really “testable” for immediate results.
> >>>
> >>> He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next
> >> 3-4 months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if
> >> all goes well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if
> >> available.  Yes it takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated
> given
> >> the biology of it all.
> >>>
> >>> So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my
> >> consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all.  I
> think I
> >> got most of it right, there was beer involved...  It was all quite
> >> informative and encouraging, but practically drug development takes time
> >> and this is being accelerated but still trying to maintain safety.
> >>>
> >>> --FT
> >>> Sent from iPhone
> >>>
>  On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>   What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I
> know
> >> a lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> >> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
>  -Curt
> 
>   On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> >> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > Long time, no hear...
> 
> > Rick
> > ___
> 
>  Hi Rick,
>  I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
>  Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
>  Thanks for your concern.
>  Gerry
> 
> 

Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Think of it as evolution in action 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Once one or more vaccines are available I wonder what the antivaxxer rate
> will be of people who refuse under any circumstances to get inoculated.
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is informative. Thank you!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who
>> developed her own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at the
>> hospital, another who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and
>> affiliated with drug development efforts at the hospital, and his wife) got
>> the first Astra Zeneca doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others are
>> 50/50) 2 weeks ago locally. Trials were briefly suspended last week after a
>> possibly (but not likely)-related illness in U.K.  But will likely resume
>> maybe this week after NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in U.K.
>> US and Brazil.
>>> 
>>> I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this
>> in some detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood draws to
>> monitor responses.
>>> 
>>> There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The
>> different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I
>> forget the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the
>> structure and function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and
>> unique, hence the vaccine challenges and possibly different
>> effectivenesses).
>>> 
>>> He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2 or
>> 3 different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty high
>> (flu shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last maybe a
>> coupla years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets
>> about it.
>>> 
>>> My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on
>> herself to see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might do
>> it...
>>> 
>>> I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability and
>> am waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche (60
>> people) are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign up ,
>> he thinks I have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting
>> invited in. If you get the actual dose, and it actually works, your
>> immunity would develop over a month or two, it is not necessarily
>> immediate, which is how these things work. And even if tests don’t show you
>> have the antibodies, you might still have immunity because humans have
>> different mechanisms (I think he told me there are 3 mechanisms) for
>> immunity not all of which will show up on the easier tests. So a lot of it
>> is biology and not really “testable” for immediate results.
>>> 
>>> He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next
>> 3-4 months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if
>> all goes well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if
>> available.  Yes it takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated given
>> the biology of it all.
>>> 
>>> So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my
>> consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all.  I think I
>> got most of it right, there was beer involved...  It was all quite
>> informative and encouraging, but practically drug development takes time
>> and this is being accelerated but still trying to maintain safety.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
  What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know
>> a lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
>> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
 -Curt
 
  On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
>> Mercedes  wrote:
 
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Long time, no hear...
 
> Rick
> ___
 
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 I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
 Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
 Thanks for your concern.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Once one or more vaccines are available I wonder what the antivaxxer rate
will be of people who refuse under any circumstances to get inoculated.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 10:29 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is informative. Thank you!
>
> -D
>
> > On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who
> developed her own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at the
> hospital, another who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and
> affiliated with drug development efforts at the hospital, and his wife) got
> the first Astra Zeneca doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others are
> 50/50) 2 weeks ago locally. Trials were briefly suspended last week after a
> possibly (but not likely)-related illness in U.K.  But will likely resume
> maybe this week after NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in U.K.
> US and Brazil.
> >
> > I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this
> in some detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood draws to
> monitor responses.
> >
> > There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The
> different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I
> forget the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the
> structure and function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and
> unique, hence the vaccine challenges and possibly different
> effectivenesses).
> >
> > He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2 or
> 3 different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty high
> (flu shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last maybe a
> coupla years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets
> about it.
> >
> > My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on
> herself to see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might do
> it...
> >
> > I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability and
> am waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche (60
> people) are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign up ,
> he thinks I have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting
> invited in. If you get the actual dose, and it actually works, your
> immunity would develop over a month or two, it is not necessarily
> immediate, which is how these things work. And even if tests don’t show you
> have the antibodies, you might still have immunity because humans have
> different mechanisms (I think he told me there are 3 mechanisms) for
> immunity not all of which will show up on the easier tests. So a lot of it
> is biology and not really “testable” for immediate results.
> >
> > He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next
> 3-4 months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if
> all goes well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if
> available.  Yes it takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated given
> the biology of it all.
> >
> > So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my
> consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all.  I think I
> got most of it right, there was beer involved...  It was all quite
> informative and encouraging, but practically drug development takes time
> and this is being accelerated but still trying to maintain safety.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>  What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know
> a lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >>   On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> >>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Long time, no hear...
> >>
> >>> Rick
> >>> ___
> >>
> >> Hi Rick,
> >> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> >> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> >> Thanks for your concern.
> >> Gerry
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There is already a vaccine but who wants to take the risk?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 9:56 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful,
> slim and none.
>
> This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1
> unsuccessfully. Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.
>
> https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine
>
>
>
> Rick
>
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry
>
> What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a
> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me
> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via
> Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>  On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> > Long time, no hear...
>
> > Rick
> > ___
>
> Hi Rick,
> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> Thanks for your concern.
> Gerry
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

This is informative. Thank you!

-D

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who developed 
> her own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at the hospital, 
> another who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and affiliated with 
> drug development efforts at the hospital, and his wife) got the first Astra 
> Zeneca doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others are 50/50) 2 weeks ago 
> locally. Trials were briefly suspended last week after a possibly (but not 
> likely)-related illness in U.K.  But will likely resume maybe this week after 
> NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in U.K. US and Brazil. 
> 
> I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this in 
> some detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood draws to 
> monitor responses. 
> 
> There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The 
> different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I 
> forget the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the structure 
> and function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and unique, hence 
> the vaccine challenges and possibly different effectivenesses). 
> 
> He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2 or 3 
> different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty high (flu 
> shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last maybe a coupla 
> years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets about it. 
> 
> My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on herself to 
> see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might do it...
> 
> I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability and am 
> waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche (60 
> people) are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign up , he 
> thinks I have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting invited 
> in. If you get the actual dose, and it actually works, your immunity would 
> develop over a month or two, it is not necessarily immediate, which is how 
> these things work. And even if tests don’t show you have the antibodies, you 
> might still have immunity because humans have different mechanisms (I think 
> he told me there are 3 mechanisms) for immunity not all of which will show up 
> on the easier tests. So a lot of it is biology and not really “testable” for 
> immediate results. 
> 
> He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next 3-4 
> months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if all goes 
> well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if available.  Yes 
> it takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated given the biology of it 
> all.  
> 
> So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my 
> consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all.  I think I 
> got most of it right, there was beer involved...  It was all quite 
> informative and encouraging, but practically drug development takes time and 
> this is being accelerated but still trying to maintain safety.  
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a 
>> lot of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me 
>> considering the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:  
>> 
>>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
>>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Long time, no hear...
>> 
>>> Rick
>>> ___
>> 
>> Hi Rick,
>> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
>> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
>> Thanks for your concern.
>> Gerry
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry -NOW VACCINES

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Vaccine trials going on now. 3 friends (One immunologist prof who developed her 
own antibody tests and is on the biosafety committee at the hospital, another 
who is MD/PhD on boards of various drug companies and affiliated with drug 
development efforts at the hospital, and his wife) got the first Astra Zeneca 
doses (maybe, 2/3 chance in this trial, others are 50/50) 2 weeks ago locally. 
Trials were briefly suspended last week after a possibly (but not 
likely)-related illness in U.K.  But will likely resume maybe this week after 
NIH give the go-ahead. A/Z are doing trials in U.K. US and Brazil. 

I had some beers with my MD/PhD buddy last night and we discussed this in some 
detail. They get a second dose likely next week, and blood draws to monitor 
responses. 

There are 2 other trials going on locally too for other vaccines. (The 
different vaccines address different biological aspects of the virus, I forget 
the specific chemistry he told me but it has to do with the structure and 
function of the virus, which is actually pretty nasty and unique, hence the 
vaccine challenges and possibly different effectivenesses). 

He says one vaccine would likely give 50-70% immunity, you can take 2 or 3 
different types and that would boost your likely immunity up pretty high (flu 
shots are like 70% effective for a comparison) and would last maybe a coupla 
years as your biology kinda winds down after awhile and forgets about it. 

My immunologist friend is tempted to run her own antibody test on herself to 
see if she got the dose or placebo. Or maybe a friend might do it...

I signed up for the A/Z trial with the higher (2/3) dose probability and am 
waiting to hear in the next coupla weeks after the initial tranche (60 people) 
are observed and the trial resumes. They had 3000 people sign up , he thinks I 
have a pretty good chance (nudge nudge wink wink) of getting invited in. If you 
get the actual dose, and it actually works, your immunity would develop over a 
month or two, it is not necessarily immediate, which is how these things work. 
And even if tests don’t show you have the antibodies, you might still have 
immunity because humans have different mechanisms (I think he told me there are 
3 mechanisms) for immunity not all of which will show up on the easier tests. 
So a lot of it is biology and not really “testable” for immediate results. 

He figures there should be some strong clinical results over the next 3-4 
months and vaccines should start becoming available in 4-6 months if all goes 
well. And again you could take 2 or 3 different vaccines if available.  Yes it 
takes time but this is actually pretty accelerated given the biology of it all. 
 

So that is probably as much as anyone knows (dumbed down a bit for my 
consumption) coming from someone right in the middle of it all.  I think I got 
most of it right, there was beer involved...  It was all quite informative and 
encouraging, but practically drug development takes time and this is being 
accelerated but still trying to maintain safety.  

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a lot 
> of folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me considering 
> the fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
> -Curt
> 
>On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
>> On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
>> Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Long time, no hear...
> 
>> Rick
>> ___
> 
> Hi Rick,
> I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
> Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
> Thanks for your concern.
> Gerry
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Considering a vaccine for a corona type virus has never been successful, slim 
and none.

This company was working on one for a long time for SARS COV 1 unsuccessfully. 
Probably where SARS COV 2 came from.

https://www.sinobiological.com/research/virus/coronavirus-vaccine



Rick

From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: September 15, 2020 6:59 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Cc: curtlud...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a lot of 
folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me considering the 
fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
-Curt

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

 On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> 
wrote:

> Long time, no hear...

> Rick
> ___

Hi Rick,
I'm still here; enjoying all the activity on Okiebenz.
Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
Thanks for your concern.
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 What do you give the odds of a vaccine in the next year or so? I know a lot of 
folks are busting hump to get one but it seems unlikely to me considering the 
fastest vaccine ever took 4 years...
-Curt

On Tuesday, September 15, 2020, 12:49:57 AM EDT, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Long time, no hear...

> Rick
> ___

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Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
Thanks for your concern.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:08:21 +
Rick Knoble via Mercedes  wrote:

> Long time, no hear...

> Rick
> ___

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Looking forward to an effective vaccine.
Thanks for your concern.
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ROFL.

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately in my district my melanin content is insufficient to launch
> a successful campaign.  I am working with a woman who has the proper
> credentials in that regard, and is also otherwise extremely well-qualified,
> who is extremely interested, so that might work out better.
>
> Plus, if I ever got elected I would have to deal with people like me all
> day, which would make me want to eat my gun.
>
> --FT (bombthrower)
>
>
> On 5/1/17 1:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you are consolidating your political base, just in time for
>> the next local election.
>>
>> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> HA!  I've seen this movie so many times, and actually wrote some
>> of the scripts.  The main fool and one of his lesser demons
>> avoided speaking or looking at me, so there is that.  I live
>> rent-free in their heads, fun!  I did speak to the other one who
>> was there, he is a compromised fool too, but he is somewhat sociable.
>>
>> This new Chairman is in our sights, we got the former one ejected
>> so our next project is to expose this one too.  It is fun, he did
>> himself no favors the other night, and actively insulted members
>> of the community. It was quite bizarre.  But I had to say nothing
>> after my pre-agitation and getting a good turnout there of a bunch
>> of primed citizens who did their own bit of mau-mauing.  One of my
>> buddies got some heckling started too so that was kinda fun.  He
>> got a directed insult from the Chairman too, so that was a score.
>>
>> I spoke to the woman who is the road project manager after the
>> meeting, thanked her for coming out and getting beat up a bit, she
>> kinda laughed and said no problem then thanked me for working to
>> get the turnout there, "that was you doing that, right?" with a
>> bit of a grin... Who me?  No ma'am, not at all... why might you
>> think that?
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 5/1/17 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> So were you taking careful notes or joining in the outrage?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have given up on even paying much attention to the national
>>> political antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth
>>> getting worked up about.  I focus on our local issues, the
>>> fools are much more accessible.  The other night there was a
>>> community meeting about a road project, the woman who is the
>>> County project manager gave an overview of the project, what
>>> to expect, etc.  Then of course the POed people in the room
>>> started in on her, at which point the County Council
>>> chairman, who is a raging a**h*** got the mikafone and
>>> proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did Not Go Over Well
>>> with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their
>>> disregard for him.  There were 2 other Council members there
>>> too, who managed to keep a low profile while this fool took
>>> the heat that he turned up.
>>>
>>> You couldn't do that with the national administration
>>> functionaries.
>>>
>>> --FT
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
>>> No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly
>>> don't understand is who they thought would be qualified
>>> to work on things? Did they think that Trump's HUD
>>> secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health
>>> and Human Services could be a Physician's Assistant from
>>> Duluth?
>>> Of course they're insiders, those are the people who
>>> understand how big organizations work. As I said before
>>>             its just a new bunch of idjits to replace the old bunch
>>> of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just
>>> different and maybe kind of interesting.
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>

Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Unfortunately in my district my melanin content is insufficient to 
launch a successful campaign.  I am working with a woman who has the 
proper credentials in that regard, and is also otherwise extremely 
well-qualified, who is extremely interested, so that might work out better.


Plus, if I ever got elected I would have to deal with people like me all 
day, which would make me want to eat my gun.


--FT (bombthrower)


On 5/1/17 1:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Sounds like you are consolidating your political base, just in time 
for the next local election.


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Floyd Thursby 
<buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com <mailto:buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>> wrote:


HA!  I've seen this movie so many times, and actually wrote some
of the scripts.  The main fool and one of his lesser demons
avoided speaking or looking at me, so there is that.  I live
rent-free in their heads, fun!  I did speak to the other one who
was there, he is a compromised fool too, but he is somewhat sociable.

This new Chairman is in our sights, we got the former one ejected
so our next project is to expose this one too.  It is fun, he did
himself no favors the other night, and actively insulted members
of the community. It was quite bizarre.  But I had to say nothing
after my pre-agitation and getting a good turnout there of a bunch
of primed citizens who did their own bit of mau-mauing.  One of my
buddies got some heckling started too so that was kinda fun.  He
got a directed insult from the Chairman too, so that was a score.

I spoke to the woman who is the road project manager after the
meeting, thanked her for coming out and getting beat up a bit, she
kinda laughed and said no problem then thanked me for working to
get the turnout there, "that was you doing that, right?" with a
bit of a grin... Who me?  No ma'am, not at all... why might you
think that?

--FT


On 5/1/17 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

So were you taking careful notes or joining in the outrage?

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I have given up on even paying much attention to the national
political antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth
getting worked up about.  I focus on our local issues, the
fools are much more accessible.  The other night there was a
community meeting about a road project, the woman who is the
County project manager gave an overview of the project, what
to expect, etc.  Then of course the POed people in the room
started in on her, at which point the County Council
chairman, who is a raging a**h*** got the mikafone and
proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did Not Go Over Well
with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their
disregard for him.  There were 2 other Council members there
too, who managed to keep a low profile while this fool took
the heat that he turned up.

You couldn't do that with the national administration
functionaries.

--FT


On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly
don't understand is who they thought would be qualified
to work on things? Did they think that Trump's HUD
secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health
and Human Services could be a Physician's Assistant from
Duluth?
Of course they're insiders, those are the people who
understand how big organizations work. As I said before
its just a new bunch of idjits to replace the old bunch
of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just
different and maybe kind of interesting.
-Curt


   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
  To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com <mailto:d...@penoff.com>>
          Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
Without diving into politics, the District of
Columbia was/is on a swamp if you weren’t aware of this. 
The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply refers to removing

all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked”
politicians and “good old boys” in order to bring in new
people who would be fresh blood and not part of the
“Washington establishment”.

This is not a political comment, just a clarification of
a statement, so let’s not turn

Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

HA!  I've seen this movie so many times, and actually wrote some of the 
scripts.  The main fool and one of his lesser demons avoided speaking or 
looking at me, so there is that.  I live rent-free in their heads, fun!  
I did speak to the other one who was there, he is a compromised fool 
too, but he is somewhat sociable.


This new Chairman is in our sights, we got the former one ejected so our 
next project is to expose this one too.  It is fun, he did himself no 
favors the other night, and actively insulted members of the community.  
It was quite bizarre.  But I had to say nothing after my pre-agitation 
and getting a good turnout there of a bunch of primed citizens who did 
their own bit of mau-mauing.  One of my buddies got some heckling 
started too so that was kinda fun.  He got a directed insult from the 
Chairman too, so that was a score.


I spoke to the woman who is the road project manager after the meeting, 
thanked her for coming out and getting beat up a bit, she kinda laughed 
and said no problem then thanked me for working to get the turnout 
there, "that was you doing that, right?" with a bit of a grin... Who 
me?  No ma'am, not at all... why might you think that?


--FT


On 5/1/17 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

So were you taking careful notes or joining in the outrage?

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


I have given up on even paying much attention to the national
political antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth getting
worked up about.  I focus on our local issues, the fools are much
more accessible.  The other night there was a community meeting
about a road project, the woman who is the County project manager
gave an overview of the project, what to expect, etc.  Then of
course the POed people in the room started in on her, at which
point the County Council chairman, who is a raging a**h*** got the
mikafone and proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did Not Go
Over Well with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their
disregard for him.  There were 2 other Council members there too,
who managed to keep a low profile while this fool took the heat
that he turned up.

You couldn't do that with the national administration functionaries.

--FT


On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't
understand is who they thought would be qualified to work on
things? Did they think that Trump's HUD secretary would be a
carpenter from Des Moines? Health and Human Services could be
a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
Of course they're insiders, those are the people who
understand how big organizations work. As I said before its
just a new bunch of idjits to replace the old bunch of idjits.
I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just different and maybe
kind of interesting.
-Curt


   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
  To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com
<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com <mailto:d...@penoff.com>>
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia
was/is on a swamp if you weren’t aware of this.  The phrase
“Drain the swamp” simply refers to removing all the allegedly
(don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked” politicians and “good old
boys” in order to bring in new people who would be fresh blood
and not part of the “Washington establishment”.

This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a
statement, so let’s not turn it into one, please.

And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for
misunderstanding your statements and mansplaining.

-D


On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
<mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed
to mean. Did people think he was going to hire plumbers?At
least Wal-Street bankers comprise a new crop of idiots
rather than establishment idiots...
-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sounds like you are consolidating your political base, just in time for the
next local election.

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Floyd Thursby <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> HA!  I've seen this movie so many times, and actually wrote some of the
> scripts.  The main fool and one of his lesser demons avoided speaking or
> looking at me, so there is that.  I live rent-free in their heads, fun!  I
> did speak to the other one who was there, he is a compromised fool too, but
> he is somewhat sociable.
>
> This new Chairman is in our sights, we got the former one ejected so our
> next project is to expose this one too.  It is fun, he did himself no
> favors the other night, and actively insulted members of the community.  It
> was quite bizarre.  But I had to say nothing after my pre-agitation and
> getting a good turnout there of a bunch of primed citizens who did their
> own bit of mau-mauing.  One of my buddies got some heckling started too so
> that was kinda fun.  He got a directed insult from the Chairman too, so
> that was a score.
>
> I spoke to the woman who is the road project manager after the meeting,
> thanked her for coming out and getting beat up a bit, she kinda laughed and
> said no problem then thanked me for working to get the turnout there, "that
> was you doing that, right?" with a bit of a grin... Who me?  No ma'am, not
> at all... why might you think that?
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/1/17 12:51 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> So were you taking careful notes or joining in the outrage?
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I have given up on even paying much attention to the national political
>> antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth getting worked up about.  I
>> focus on our local issues, the fools are much more accessible.  The other
>> night there was a community meeting about a road project, the woman who is
>> the County project manager gave an overview of the project, what to expect,
>> etc.  Then of course the POed people in the room started in on her, at
>> which point the County Council chairman, who is a raging a**h*** got the
>> mikafone and proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did Not Go Over Well
>> with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their disregard for him.
>> There were 2 other Council members there too, who managed to keep a low
>> profile while this fool took the heat that he turned up.
>>
>> You couldn't do that with the national administration functionaries.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't understand
>>> is who they thought would be qualified to work on things? Did they think
>>> that Trump's HUD secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health and
>>> Human Services could be a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
>>> Of course they're insiders, those are the people who understand how big
>>> organizations work. As I said before its just a new bunch of idjits to
>>> replace the old bunch of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just
>>> different and maybe kind of interesting.
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>   To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
>>>   Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
>>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
>>> Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia was/is on a
>>> swamp if you weren’t aware of this.  The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply
>>> refers to removing all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked”
>>> politicians and “good old boys” in order to bring in new people who would
>>> be fresh blood and not part of the “Washington establishment”.
>>>
>>> This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a statement, so
>>> let’s not turn it into one, please.
>>>
>>> And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for
>>> misunderstanding your statements and mansplaining.
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did
>>>> people think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers
>>>> comprise a new crop of idiots rather than est

Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So were you taking careful notes or joining in the outrage?

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 12:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I have given up on even paying much attention to the national political
> antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth getting worked up about.  I
> focus on our local issues, the fools are much more accessible.  The other
> night there was a community meeting about a road project, the woman who is
> the County project manager gave an overview of the project, what to expect,
> etc.  Then of course the POed people in the room started in on her, at
> which point the County Council chairman, who is a raging a**h*** got the
> mikafone and proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did Not Go Over Well
> with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their disregard for him.
> There were 2 other Council members there too, who managed to keep a low
> profile while this fool took the heat that he turned up.
>
> You couldn't do that with the national administration functionaries.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't understand
>> is who they thought would be qualified to work on things? Did they think
>> that Trump's HUD secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health and
>> Human Services could be a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
>> Of course they're insiders, those are the people who understand how big
>> organizations work. As I said before its just a new bunch of idjits to
>> replace the old bunch of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just
>> different and maybe kind of interesting.
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>   To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
>>   Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
>> Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia was/is on a
>> swamp if you weren’t aware of this.  The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply
>> refers to removing all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked”
>> politicians and “good old boys” in order to bring in new people who would
>> be fresh blood and not part of the “Washington establishment”.
>>
>> This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a statement, so
>> let’s not turn it into one, please.
>>
>> And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for
>> misunderstanding your statements and mansplaining.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did
>>> people think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers
>>> comprise a new crop of idiots rather than establishment idiots...
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of
> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Politics Is Back!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have given up on even paying much attention to the national political 
antics, nothing I can do about it so not worth getting worked up about.  
I focus on our local issues, the fools are much more accessible.  The 
other night there was a community meeting about a road project, the 
woman who is the County project manager gave an overview of the project, 
what to expect, etc.  Then of course the POed people in the room started 
in on her, at which point the County Council chairman, who is a raging 
a**h*** got the mikafone and proceeded to berate the citizens, which Did 
Not Go Over Well with many of them, who became quite vociferous in their 
disregard for him.  There were 2 other Council members there too, who 
managed to keep a low profile while this fool took the heat that he 
turned up.


You couldn't do that with the national administration functionaries.

--FT


On 4/30/17 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't understand is who 
they thought would be qualified to work on things? Did they think that Trump's 
HUD secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health and Human Services 
could be a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
Of course they're insiders, those are the people who understand how big 
organizations work. As I said before its just a new bunch of idjits to replace 
the old bunch of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just different and 
maybe kind of interesting.
-Curt


   From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
  To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
  Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia was/is on a swamp if you weren’t aware of this.  The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply refers to removing all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked” politicians and “good old boys” in order to bring in new people who would be fresh blood and not part of the “Washington establishment”.


This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a statement, so let’s 
not turn it into one, please.

And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for misunderstanding 
your statements and mansplaining.

-D



On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
wrote:

I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did people 
think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers comprise a new crop of 
idiots rather than establishment idiots...
-Curt




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petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Gotcha.

-D

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't understand is 
> who they thought would be qualified to work on things? Did they think that 
> Trump's HUD secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health and Human 
> Services could be a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
> Of course they're insiders, those are the people who understand how big 
> organizations work. As I said before its just a new bunch of idjits to 
> replace the old bunch of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just 
> different and maybe kind of interesting.
> -Curt
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

No I knew about it having been a swamp what I honestly don't understand is who 
they thought would be qualified to work on things? Did they think that Trump's 
HUD secretary would be a carpenter from Des Moines? Health and Human Services 
could be a Physician's Assistant from Duluth?
Of course they're insiders, those are the people who understand how big 
organizations work. As I said before its just a new bunch of idjits to replace 
the old bunch of idjits. I'm not suggesting its good or bad, just different and 
maybe kind of interesting.
-Curt


  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 6:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
   
Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia was/is on a swamp if you 
weren’t aware of this.  The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply refers to removing 
all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked” politicians and “good old 
boys” in order to bring in new people who would be fresh blood and not part of 
the “Washington establishment”.

This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a statement, so let’s 
not turn it into one, please.

And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for misunderstanding 
your statements and mansplaining.

-D


> On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did people 
> think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers comprise a 
> new crop of idiots rather than establishment idiots...
> -Curt
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Without diving into politics, the District of Columbia was/is on a swamp if you 
weren’t aware of this.  The phrase “Drain the swamp” simply refers to removing 
all the allegedly (don’t go there, Curley!) “crooked” politicians and “good old 
boys” in order to bring in new people who would be fresh blood and not part of 
the “Washington establishment”.

This is not a political comment, just a clarification of a statement, so let’s 
not turn it into one, please.

And Curt, if you already understood all this, my apologies for misunderstanding 
your statements and mansplaining.

-D


> On Apr 30, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did people 
> think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers comprise a 
> new crop of idiots rather than establishment idiots...
> -Curt
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've never understood what "drain the swamp" was supposed to mean. Did people 
think he was going to hire plumbers?At least Wal-Street bankers comprise a new 
crop of idiots rather than establishment idiots...
-Curt


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 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 5:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!
   
He was supposed to drain the swamp but instead hired Wall Street bankers
and lobbyists for his cabinet.  That's so cool.

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> ya got it bass ackwards agin!
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> April 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM
>> Trump has made it cool again to live in a swamp.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Bzzzt wrong. We don't talk about politics on the list.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 3:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Trump has made it cool again to live in a swamp.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Catfishin'? I didn't think you folks that live in the Great Dismal Swamp
>> knew what a catfish was.
>> Gerry
>> ~
>> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>> It's a form of catfishing.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <
>> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 He's just playin' w ya.
 
 On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is
>> nice.
> Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten
>> squat
> i the way of responses…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
>>> 
>>> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
>>> 
>>> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade
>> for
> my 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He was supposed to drain the swamp but instead hired Wall Street bankers
and lobbyists for his cabinet.  That's so cool.

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> ya got it bass ackwards agin!
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> April 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM
>> Trump has made it cool again to live in a swamp.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

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ya got it bass ackwards agin!


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
April 30, 2017 at 3:50 PM
Trump has made it cool again to live in a swamp.


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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Trump has made it cool again to live in a swamp.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 2:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Catfishin'? I didn't think you folks that live in the Great Dismal Swamp
> knew what a catfish was.
> Gerry
> ~
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> > It's a form of catfishing.
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > He's just playin' w ya.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is
> nice.
> > >> Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten
> squat
> > >> i the way of responses…
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
> > >> >
> > >> > --FT
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> >> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade
> for
> > >> my 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dan
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> > >> > Winston Churchill:
> > >> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or
> small,
> > >> large or petty,
> > >> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > >> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming
> might
> > >> of the enemy.”
> > >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

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Catfishin'? I didn't think you folks that live in the Great Dismal Swamp knew 
what a catfish was. 
Gerry
~
Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> It's a form of catfishing.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> > He's just playin' w ya.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is nice.
> >> Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten squat
> >> i the way of responses…
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
> >> >
> >> > --FT
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> >> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
> >> >>
> >> >> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for
> >> my 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >> ___
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> >> >>
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> >> > --
> >> > --FT
> >> > Winston Churchill:
> >> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> >> large or petty,
> >> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> >> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
> >> of the enemy.”
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I texted the guy on the correct number last night to see if he was interested 
in a trade for the 300SEL.  He told me he would rather keep his “frugal fuel” 
car.  I asked him how that was working for him with no AC in the 92F heat.  I 
got a thumbs up emojii.

-D
 
> On Apr 29, 2017, at 1:49 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Naw, I went to look at it for him some time ago but the owner had supposedly 
> moved it from his used car lot to his home and the directions his mechanic 
> gave me to his home were wrong. Dan just thought I might be interested in the 
> fact that it is on the market again. Dan was interested in buying it, not me.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

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Naw, I went to look at it for him some time ago but the owner had supposedly 
moved it from his used car lot to his home and the directions his mechanic gave 
me to his home were wrong. Dan just thought I might be interested in the fact 
that it is on the market again. Dan was interested in buying it, not me.
Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> He's just playin' w ya.

 Dan Penoff wrote:
> > And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is nice.
> > Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten squat
> > i the way of responses…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
> > >>
> > >> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
> > >>
> > >> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my
> > 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
> > >>
> > >> Dan
> > >> ___
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> > > --FT
> > > Winston Churchill:
> > > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> > large or petty,
> > > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
> > of the enemy.”
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It's a form of catfishing.

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> He's just playin' w ya.
>
> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is nice.
>> Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten squat
>> i the way of responses…
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
>> >
>> > --FT
>> >
>> >
>> > On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> >> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
>> >>
>> >> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
>> >>
>> >> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for
>> my 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
>> >>
>> >> Dan
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>> > Winston Churchill:
>> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
>> large or petty,
>> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
>> of the enemy.”
>> >
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

He's just playin' w ya.

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is nice.
> Makes it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten squat
> i the way of responses…
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >
> > On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
> >>
> >> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
> >>
> >> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my
> 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
> >>
> >> Dan
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> > --
> > --FT
> > Winston Churchill:
> > “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small,
> large or petty,
> > never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> > Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might
> of the enemy.”
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

And they have a typo in the phone number in the listing, which is nice.  Makes 
it easy to argue there’s no interest since they haven’t gotten squat i the way 
of responses…

-D


> On Apr 28, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> AC does not BLOW ICE COLD
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
>> 
>> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
>> 
>> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my 
>> 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
>> 
>> Dan
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> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

AC does not BLOW ICE COLD

--FT


On 4/28/17 4:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The mystery 300D in Summerfield:

https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html

I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my 300SEL. 
 Let’s see what he says (if anything.)

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m not holding my breath here.  He was never responsive before, so I don’t 
really expect to hear back from him this time, either.

Dan


> On Apr 28, 2017, at 4:46 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Interesting! Better ask him where it is and how to get there if you go and 
> look at it. I never could find his house. Good luck if you do.
> Gerry
> 
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:18:52 -0400
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
>> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
>> 
>> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
>> 
>> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my 
>> 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Gerry, Our Diesel Is Back!

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Interesting! Better ask him where it is and how to get there if you go and look 
at it. I never could find his house. Good luck if you do.
Gerry

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:18:52 -0400
Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:

> The mystery 300D in Summerfield:
> 
> https://ocala.craigslist.org/cto/6091205744.html
> 
> I just texted him and asked if he would be interested in a trade for my 
> 300SEL.  Let’s see what he says (if anything.)
> 
> Dan
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