Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
We had a couple of suitcases in checked baggage. Not really room for them in the sleeper compartment. Allan On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > I've never had a case on a train where my luggage wasn't with me all the > time. One of my favorite parts of travel by train... > > -Curt > > On Monday, December 6, 2021, 12:17:48 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I forgot to mention that not only was our train late arriving, but our > luggage was even more delayed because it stayed on the wrong half of the > train when they split it at one point. They did bring it to our hotel later, > at least. > > On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, at 11:49 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > > There’s a pool run by a bunch of members of a rail fan group I follow > > for Flagstaff that is based on how late the Amtrak trains are. > > > > It’s a rare day when either one is on time. > > > > -D > > > >> On Dec 6, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > >> wrote: > >> > >> Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled > >> with debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it > >> somehow manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually > >> make money. > >> The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, > >> Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC > >> A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that > >> they didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang > >> way. This would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ > >> mph like the trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared > >> and not welded so you slow down to 45mph max... > >> Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can > >> leave from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For > >> Boston to NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except > >> for slow track in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an > >> hour at the airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and > >> at least an hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus > >> train seats are bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available > >> or you can bring your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. > >> Much more civilized than flying. > >> It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... > >> -Curt > >> > >> > >>On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via > >> Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over > >> 24 hours late to destination. Never again. > >> > >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > >>> Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in > >>> Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going > >>> through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, > >>> while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time > >>> the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a > >>> “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to > >>> keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused > >>> from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more > >>> hours late. > >>> > >>> I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the > >>> sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either > >>> remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens > >>> of thousands of feet. > >>> > >>> --- > >>> clay > >>> > >>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for > >>> what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > > wrote: > > Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the > third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they > gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular > so they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about > a 45 minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an > airport where they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > >>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I've never had a case on a train where my luggage wasn't with me all the time. One of my favorite parts of travel by train... -Curt On Monday, December 6, 2021, 12:17:48 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I forgot to mention that not only was our train late arriving, but our luggage was even more delayed because it stayed on the wrong half of the train when they split it at one point. They did bring it to our hotel later, at least. On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, at 11:49 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > There’s a pool run by a bunch of members of a rail fan group I follow > for Flagstaff that is based on how late the Amtrak trains are. > > It’s a rare day when either one is on time. > > -D > >> On Dec 6, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled with >> debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it somehow >> manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually make >> money. >> The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, >> Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC >> A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that >> they didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang way. >> This would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ mph >> like the trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared and not >> welded so you slow down to 45mph max... >> Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can leave >> from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For Boston to >> NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except for slow >> track in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an hour at >> the airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and at least >> an hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus train seats are >> bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available or you can bring >> your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. Much more civilized >> than flying. >> It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... >> -Curt >> >> >> On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 >> hours late to destination. Never again. >> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: >>> Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in >>> Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going >>> through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, >>> while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time >>> the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a >>> “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to >>> keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused >>> from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more >>> hours late. >>> >>> I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the >>> sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either >>> remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens >>> of thousands of feet. >>> >>> --- >>> clay >>> >>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for >>> what I'm looking for didn't fall out. >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
3-4 years ago I did a bike ride down to Savannah. Stayed the night with my cousin then figured I would ride the train back to charleston then bike to where my truck was parked, which would have been like 15-20 miles but that was ok. She dropped me at the train station, which was nice. Once the staffers got done yow-yowing in back and one came to the counter I asked for a ticket and she said it was full. Really. Then there was this whole conversation about my bike and whoever loaded bags was not there, or something about no room to put it in the bag queue, something stupid. It’s a 12lb bike so not like it needs a lot of muscle to deal with it. Anyway I bailed on the idea. There was a car rental place right next to the station so I went there, got a car for a bit more than the train ticket cost, drove back to an office about a mile from where my truck was, a guy ran me over there, then I drove on home, probably got there before the train would have arrived. No hassle no drama no gummint “workers” to deal with. I was kinda looking forward to the train ride as I had heard it was very pretty going along the coastal marshes and all. Oh well. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 6, 2021, at 11:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled with > debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it somehow > manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually make > money. > The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, > Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC > A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that they > didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang way. This > would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ mph like the > trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared and not welded so > you slow down to 45mph max... > Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can leave > from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For Boston to > NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except for slow track > in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an hour at the > airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and at least an > hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus train seats are > bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available or you can bring > your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. Much more civilized > than flying. > It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... > -Curt > > >On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 > hours late to destination. Never again. > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: >> Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in >> Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going >> through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, >> while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time >> the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a >> “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to >> keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused >> from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more >> hours late. >> >> I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the >> sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either >> remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens >> of thousands of feet. >> >> --- >> clay >> >> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for >> what I'm looking for didn't fall out. >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the >>> third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they >>> gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so >>> they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 >>> minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where >>> they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I forgot to mention that not only was our train late arriving, but our luggage was even more delayed because it stayed on the wrong half of the train when they split it at one point. They did bring it to our hotel later, at least. On Mon, Dec 6, 2021, at 11:49 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > There’s a pool run by a bunch of members of a rail fan group I follow > for Flagstaff that is based on how late the Amtrak trains are. > > It’s a rare day when either one is on time. > > -D > >> On Dec 6, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled with >> debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it somehow >> manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually make >> money. >> The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, >> Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC >> A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that >> they didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang way. >> This would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ mph >> like the trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared and not >> welded so you slow down to 45mph max... >> Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can leave >> from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For Boston to >> NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except for slow >> track in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an hour at >> the airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and at least >> an hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus train seats are >> bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available or you can bring >> your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. Much more civilized >> than flying. >> It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... >> -Curt >> >> >>On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 >> hours late to destination. Never again. >> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: >>> Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in >>> Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going >>> through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, >>> while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time >>> the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a >>> “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to >>> keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused >>> from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more >>> hours late. >>> >>> I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the >>> sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either >>> remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens >>> of thousands of feet. >>> >>> --- >>> clay >>> >>> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for >>> what I'm looking for didn't fall out. >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
There’s a pool run by a bunch of members of a rail fan group I follow for Flagstaff that is based on how late the Amtrak trains are. It’s a rare day when either one is on time. -D > On Dec 6, 2021, at 9:45 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled with > debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it somehow > manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually make > money. > The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, > Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC > A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that they > didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang way. This > would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ mph like the > trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared and not welded so > you slow down to 45mph max... > Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can leave > from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For Boston to > NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except for slow track > in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an hour at the > airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and at least an > hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus train seats are > bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available or you can bring > your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. Much more civilized > than flying. > It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... > -Curt > > >On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 > hours late to destination. Never again. > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: >> Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in >> Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going >> through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, >> while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time >> the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a >> “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to >> keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused >> from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more >> hours late. >> >> I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the >> sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either >> remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens >> of thousands of feet. >> >> --- >> clay >> >> I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for >> what I'm looking for didn't fall out. >> >> >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the >>> third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they >>> gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so >>> they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 >>> minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where >>> they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Amtrak is built on the finest govt bureaucracy money can buy. Saddled with debt from sources so far unrelated it'll make your head spin it somehow manages to muddle on being "funded" by 2 or 3 routes that actually make money. The DownEaster: Portland, Maine to Boston, Acela Express: Boston to NYC to DC A REAL investment in Amtrak would involve actually buying tracks so that they didn't need to wait for slow freight trains to get out of the dang way. This would also allow continuously welded rail so you can run at 150+ mph like the trains do from Boston to CT. After CT the rails are shared and not welded so you slow down to 45mph max... Real high speed rail would cut down on air traffic because trains can leave from inside the city and deliver you to a point inside a city. For Boston to NYC for instance the train takes 3 hours (should take 2 except for slow track in CT), an airplane takes 20 minutes but then you've got an hour at the airport heading out and half an hour coming in (at least) and at least an hour (and $50) to cab from the airport into the city.Plus train seats are bigger, way more comfortable, food and drink is available or you can bring your own. You can get a 4 top if you're with friends. Much more civilized than flying. It irritates me how badly the US has bungled rail travel... -Curt On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 08:26:35 PM EST, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 hours late to destination. Never again. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in > Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going > through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, > while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time > the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a > “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to > keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused > from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more > hours late. > > I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the > sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either > remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens > of thousands of feet. > > --- > clay > > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for > what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third >> or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up >> and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they >> just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute >> delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they >> had maintenance staff and parts on hand. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Actually, the 707 was a more modern design based on the 135. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of OK Don via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft KC-135 and E3 AWACS fly over/near our house all the time - both based on the 707. We can easily distinguish them from the other jets out of Tinker AFB - the maintenance hub for these. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying > 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. > > -D > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it > > never > sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. > > > > Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. > > > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the > >> 1980s > as a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a > private travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. > Both of these were used for international and long-haul domestic > flights as well as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet > but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in > the late 80s. > >> > >> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively > >> with > them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with > them as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. > >> > >> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were > standing next to them out on the tarmac. > >> > >> -D > >> > >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. > Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... > >>> > >>> Curt > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >>> > >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I > believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the > engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been > more commercially viable. > >>> > >>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the > L-1011 was their swan song. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > >>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > >>>> > >>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's > >>>> part > of the > >>>> fun. :D > >>>> > >>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it > >>>> BSODed > and we > >>>> hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > >>>> > >>>> -MMM- > >>>> ___ > >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>>> > >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>>> > >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
My Sister-in-Law was a Crypto Specialist on Looking Glass for 25 of her 30 years in the AF. RW On 12/4/2021 18:43, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: Got a tour once of a Looking Glass KC-135 at Offutt. It looked really uncomfortable. Had a comms exchange with one orbiting at the pole keeping an eye on the russkies ready to rain fire on them. --FT Sent from iFōn On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: We have KC135s in Tampa at MacDill AFB. Can’t get that close to the base to plane watch, but I do try to catch the traffic on my scanner and step out so I can see them fly over the house. -D On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) takeoff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy engines. On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. -D On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing next to them out on the tarmac. -D On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was their swan song. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the fun. :D My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.c
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Amtrak is a complete joke. Took a trip once for the experience, was over 24 hours late to destination. Never again. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 8:10 PM, Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in > Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going > through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, > while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time > the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a > “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to > keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused > from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more > hours late. > > I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the > sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either > remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens > of thousands of feet. > > --- > clay > > I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for > what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third >> or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up >> and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they >> just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute >> delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they >> had maintenance staff and parts on hand. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Amtrak Empire Builder seems to run on windows software. The stop in Spokane WA is where the cars decouple, with the observation car going through the Columbia River Gorge (in the DARK) scenic area to PDX, while the rest of the train continues to SEA. Except, most of the time the engine, at midnight, have to be rebooted endlessly. Used to have a “spare” engine on hand that could swap out, but now the two step is to keep on rebooting until the BNSF locomotive and engineer can be roused from sleep and made to haul the thing the rest of the way, four or more hours late. I would not be entertained to find something that would fall out of the sky needing reboot mid-flight. At least a train has rails to either remain on or fall off at a meager 60mph, not hundreds of knots and tens of thousands of feet. --- clay I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm looking for didn't fall out. > On Dec 4, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third > or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up and > called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they just > swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute > delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they had > maintenance staff and parts on hand. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Got a tour once of a Looking Glass KC-135 at Offutt. It looked really uncomfortable. Had a comms exchange with one orbiting at the pole keeping an eye on the russkies ready to rain fire on them. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > We have KC135s in Tampa at MacDill AFB. Can’t get that close to the base to > plane watch, but I do try to catch the traffic on my scanner and step out so > I can see them fly over the house. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet >> (J57) takeoff. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM >> To: Mercedes Discussion List >> Cc: Peter Frederick >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft >> >> All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't >> remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy >> engines. >> >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying >>> 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >>>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >>>> >>>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as >>>>> a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of >>>>> these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well >>>>> as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have >>>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>>>> >>>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with >>>>> them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them >>>>> as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>>>> >>>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were >>>>> standing next to them out on the tarmac. >>>>> >>>>> -D >>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >>>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >>>>>> >>>>>> Curt >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >>>>>> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for >>>>>> its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. >>>>>> If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have >>>>>> been more commercially viable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>>>>> was their swan song. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's >>>>>>> part of the fun. :D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed >>>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
KC-135 and E3 AWACS fly over/near our house all the time - both based on the 707. We can easily distinguish them from the other jets out of Tinker AFB - the maintenance hub for these. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 5:18 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying > 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. > > -D > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never > sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. > > > > Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. > > > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> > >> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s > as a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private > travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these > were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as > charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures > of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. > >> > >> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with > them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as > well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. > >> > >> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were > standing next to them out on the tarmac. > >> > >> -D > >> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. > Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... > >>> > >>> Curt > >>> > >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >>> > >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes< > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I > believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines > hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more > commercially viable. > >>> > >>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the > L-1011 was their swan song. > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > > Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part > of the > fun. :D > > My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed > and we > hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
We have KC135s in Tampa at MacDill AFB. Can’t get that close to the base to plane watch, but I do try to catch the traffic on my scanner and step out so I can see them fly over the house. -D > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:53 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet > (J57) takeoff. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Peter Frederick > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft > > All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't > remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy > engines. > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> >> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. >> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. >> >> -D >> >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>> >>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >>> >>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these >>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as >>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have >>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>>> >>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as >>>> well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>>> >>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >>>> next to them out on the tarmac. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >>>>> >>>>> Curt >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >>>>> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its >>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If >>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have >>>>> been more commercially viable. >>>>> >>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>>>> was their swan song. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>>>>> >>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's >>>>>> part of the fun. :D >>>>>> >>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed >>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>>>>> >>>>>> -MMM- >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Good thing my high end hearing isn't good anyway then! Turbojets scream something aweful! On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: > You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) > takeoff. > > -Original Message- > From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Peter Frederick > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft > > All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't > remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy > engines. > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > >> When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. >> I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. >> >> -D >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >>> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >>> >>> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >>>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these >>>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as >>>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have >>>> pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>>> >>>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >>>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as >>>> well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>>> >>>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >>>> next to them out on the tarmac. >>>> >>>> -D >>>> >>>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >>>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >>>>> >>>>> Curt >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >>>>> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its >>>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If >>>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have >>>>> been more commercially viable. >>>>> >>>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>>>> was their swan song. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>>>>> >>>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's >>>>>> part of the fun. :D >>>>>> >>>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed >>>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>>>>> >>>>>> -MMM- >>>>>> ___ >>>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>>> >>>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>>> >>>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
You ain't heard nuthin 'til you are in the back of a KC135 during a wet (J57) takeoff. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Peter Frederick via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 6:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy engines. On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. > I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >> >> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >> >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these >>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as >>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures >>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>> >>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, >>> they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>> >>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >>> next to them out on the tarmac. >>> >>> -D >>> >>>>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >>>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >>>> >>>> Curt >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >>>> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its >>>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If >>>> the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been >>>> more commercially viable. >>>> >>>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>>> was their swan song. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>>>> >>>>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's >>>>> part of the fun. :D >>>>> >>>>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed >>>>> and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>>>> >>>>> -MMM- >>>>> ___ >>>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>>> >>>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I've heard it called Jack Welch disease, but it's really Bably Boomer Tantrum disease. Long term planning doesn't extend past tomorrow at breakfast, and squeezing money out at any cost is all that counts., once the husk is dry you sell the company and buy another. The only thing that counts is getting what you want the instant you want it! Been watching this coming for decades, and it's why we have "supply chain" issues. Half the energy wasted in the world is used shipping raw materials all over the world to make goods that are shipped back Peter On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:35 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: > We used to have Douglas, then McDonnell-Douglas, then they merged with > Boeing, unfortunately although the name Boeing survived, it seems like the > engineering culture of the old Boeing was dominated by the business culture > of MD. > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> It’s really sad we basically only have airbus and Boeing for main line >> commercial aircraft. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first >>> commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced >>> wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. >>> >>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>> was their swan song. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the fun. :D My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I remember, it was a BAC 111. Baby Trident, one of the earliest T-tail rear engine planes. On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. > I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >> >> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >> >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these >>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as >>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures >>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>> >>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, >>> they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>> >>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >>> next to them out on the tarmac. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was their swan song. > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: > Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > > Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the > fun. :D > > My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we > hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
All the low bypass turbojets are noisy. I flew in a British one once, don't remember what it was, but it had two Rolls Conways in the back. Very noisy engines. On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. > I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold >> as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. >> >> Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. >> >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >>> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private >>> travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these >>> were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as >>> charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures >>> of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >>> >>> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >>> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, >>> they might have had more, I don’t recall. >>> >>> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >>> next to them out on the tarmac. >>> >>> -D >>> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was their swan song. > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: > Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > > Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the > fun. :D > > My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we > hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
We used to have Douglas, then McDonnell-Douglas, then they merged with Boeing, unfortunately although the name Boeing survived, it seems like the engineering culture of the old Boeing was dominated by the business culture of MD. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 3:02 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > It’s really sad we basically only have airbus and Boeing for main line > commercial aircraft. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first >> commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced >> wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. >> >> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was >> their swan song. >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>> >>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the >>> fun. :D >>> >>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we >>> hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>> >>> -MMM- >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
When the family first started with Ambassadair, they were still flying 707s. I flew them a couple times. Noisy as heck as I recall. -D > On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:13 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold as > well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. > > Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: >> >> I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a >> member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private travel >> club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these were >> used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as charters. >> There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures of it. I >> think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. >> >> My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them >> overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, >> they might have had more, I don’t recall. >> >> They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing >> next to them out on the tarmac. >> >> -D >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >>> >>> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >>> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >>> >>> Curt >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >>> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its >>> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the >>> engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more >>> commercially viable. >>> >>> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 >>> was their swan song. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the fun. :D My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
The L-1011 was probably the best of that generation, sadly it never sold as well as the DC-10, which was NOT the best of that generation. Beautiful aircraft, and I've heard it was nice to fly as well. On Dec 4, 2021, at 4:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a > member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private travel > club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these were used > for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as charters. There > was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it > was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. > > My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them > overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, > they might have had more, I don’t recall. > > They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing > next to them out on the tarmac. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would >> have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... >> >> Curt >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via >> Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its >> time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the >> engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more >> commercially viable. >> >> Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was >> their swan song. >> >> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >>> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >>> >>> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the >>> fun. :D >>> >>> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we >>> hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >>> >>> -MMM- >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I flew on N194AT and N163AT frequently in the early half of the 1980s as a member of a “Ambassadair”, later known as “ATA” when it was a private travel club. One was a -100 variant, the other a -500 model. Both of these were used for international and long-haul domestic flights as well as charters. There was a third L-1011 in their fleet but I don’t have pictures of it. I think it was destroyed in a ground fire in the late 80s. My Mom did many, many hours in these as she traveled extensively with them overseas. They had at least one DC-10 I know she flew in with them as well, they might have had more, I don’t recall. They were wonderful aircraft, and really impressive when you were standing next to them out on the tarmac. -D > On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:33 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would have > been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via > Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its > time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the > engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more > commercially viable. > > Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was > their swan song. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >> >> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the >> fun. :D >> >> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we >> hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >> >> -MMM- >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
It's probably a custom build of Windows that has only the drivers and features it needs for that specific hardware and application. The Windows kernel (NT) is pretty solid -- probably at least as stable as the Linux kernel. It's the drivers and hardware of dubious quality that are the source of most Windows instablity. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 3:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > The aircraft avionics have proprietary custom coded OS's that have to pass > very rigorous testing before they are certified for use. That having been > said, I use a non-certified device for navigation that runs on embedded > Windows (can't remember what the official name is). It's never failed us in > 10 years of use. The same company sells versions of the software that runs > on Windows, Android, and IOS - very nice to have the exact same software on > whatever platform you have. > The main selling point of the embedded Windows device is the 1200 NIT > screen and that it doesn't do anything else - dedicated to navigation. > > Some of the airbus reboot efforts could be stymied by the built-in backup > batteries in most of those devices (EFIS). > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:11 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> My feelings exactly. You don’t want to be 35,000 feet in the air and >> suddenly see the blue screen of death. However, I would be willing to bet >> modern avionics mostly run on a proprietary system or Linux kernel. I would >> hope so, at least. Maybe Grant knows? >> >> I never rely on onboard entertainment. If it’s there, great. If not, I’ve >> got reading material. Wanted to go retro today, so I watched “Wayne’s >> World” on the TPA/DFW flight. Silly and mindless, but entertaining none the >> less. >> >> -D >> >> > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> > I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. >> Finally got it to work. Was not encouraging. >> > >> > I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would >> not work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No >> luck. The manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do >> something. It was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. >> The FAs spent a lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives >> were restless with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. >> > >> > --FT >> > Sent from iFōn >> > >> >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the >> early flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some >> flavor. Got delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the >> flight computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, >> which still didn’t help. >> >> >> >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace >> electronics before we were airworthy and could push back. >> >> >> >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but >> came up to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does >> it suck to run with a face mask on. >> >> >> >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the >> opportunity to rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a >> whopping 18-25 minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time >> taxiing than in the air on that flight. >> >> >> >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >> >> >> >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >> >> >> >> -D >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > -- > OK Don > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to > pause and reflect." Mark Twain > > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher > Von Braun > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
L-1011 was the first "big" jet I ever flew in. Boston to Bermuda. Would have been '87 or so. We took a 727 Portland to Boston... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was their swan song. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: > Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > > Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the > fun. :D > > My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we > hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
The aircraft avionics have proprietary custom coded OS's that have to pass very rigorous testing before they are certified for use. That having been said, I use a non-certified device for navigation that runs on embedded Windows (can't remember what the official name is). It's never failed us in 10 years of use. The same company sells versions of the software that runs on Windows, Android, and IOS - very nice to have the exact same software on whatever platform you have. The main selling point of the embedded Windows device is the 1200 NIT screen and that it doesn't do anything else - dedicated to navigation. Some of the airbus reboot efforts could be stymied by the built-in backup batteries in most of those devices (EFIS). On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 1:11 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > My feelings exactly. You don’t want to be 35,000 feet in the air and > suddenly see the blue screen of death. However, I would be willing to bet > modern avionics mostly run on a proprietary system or Linux kernel. I would > hope so, at least. Maybe Grant knows? > > I never rely on onboard entertainment. If it’s there, great. If not, I’ve > got reading material. Wanted to go retro today, so I watched “Wayne’s > World” on the TPA/DFW flight. Silly and mindless, but entertaining none the > less. > > -D > > > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. > Finally got it to work. Was not encouraging. > > > > I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would > not work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No > luck. The manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do > something. It was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. > The FAs spent a lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives > were restless with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. > > > > --FT > > Sent from iFōn > > > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the > early flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some > flavor. Got delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the > flight computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, > which still didn’t help. > >> > >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace > electronics before we were airworthy and could push back. > >> > >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but > came up to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does > it suck to run with a face mask on. > >> > >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the > opportunity to rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a > whopping 18-25 minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time > taxiing than in the air on that flight. > >> > >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. > >> > >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. > >> > >> -D > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect." Mark Twain “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.” Wernher Von Braun 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Same here, I've got movies in my phone, tablet and laptop. Podcasts on the phone and a real paper book in case all else fails. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Dec 4, 2021 at 2:11 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: My feelings exactly. You don’t want to be 35,000 feet in the air and suddenly see the blue screen of death. However, I would be willing to bet modern avionics mostly run on a proprietary system or Linux kernel. I would hope so, at least. Maybe Grant knows? I never rely on onboard entertainment. If it’s there, great. If not, I’ve got reading material. Wanted to go retro today, so I watched “Wayne’s World” on the TPA/DFW flight. Silly and mindless, but entertaining none the less. -D > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. Finally > got it to work. Was not encouraging. > > I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would not > work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No luck. The > manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do something. It > was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. The FAs spent a > lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives were restless > with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early >> flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got >> delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight >> computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which >> still didn’t help. >> >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics >> before we were airworthy and could push back. >> >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up >> to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck >> to run with a face mask on. >> >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to >> rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 >> minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the >> air on that flight. >> >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >> >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
It’s really sad we basically only have airbus and Boeing for main line commercial aircraft. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial > airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls > Royce they might have been more commercially viable. > > Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was > their swan song. > > > >> On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: >> Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. >> >> Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the >> fun. :D >> >> My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we >> hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. >> >> -MMM- >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
L-1011 was very advanced for its time. I believe it was the first commercial airliner with auto-land. If the engines hadn't been sole-sourced wirh Rolls Royce they might have been more commercially viable. Sort of wish Lockheed had stayed in the commercial market but the L-1011 was their swan song. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:31 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: > Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. > > Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the > fun. :D > > My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we > hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. > > -MMM- > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Say what you will about the L-1011 or DC-10, you never got the BSOD. Flaming ACTUAL death on a DC-10, occasionally, yes, but that's part of the fun. :D My first attempt to ride an Airbus was in the early 80s; it BSODed and we hadda switch to a DC-10. Very comfy ride. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Don't know much about avionics but I would imagine anything flight-critical is a real-time OS such as VxWorks. Passenger entertainment systems? Mostly Windows-based, from what I've seen. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 2:10 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > My feelings exactly. You don’t want to be 35,000 feet in the air and > suddenly see the blue screen of death. However, I would be willing to > bet modern avionics mostly run on a proprietary system or Linux kernel. > I would hope so, at least. Maybe Grant knows? > > I never rely on onboard entertainment. If it’s there, great. If not, > I’ve got reading material. Wanted to go retro today, so I watched > “Wayne’s World” on the TPA/DFW flight. Silly and mindless, but > entertaining none the less. > > -D > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. Finally >> got it to work. Was not encouraging. >> >> I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would not >> work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No luck. The >> manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do something. >> It was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. The FAs >> spent a lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives were >> restless with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. >> >> --FT >> Sent from iFōn >> >>> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the >>> early flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some >>> flavor. Got delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the >>> flight computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, >>> which still didn’t help. >>> >>> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics >>> before we were airworthy and could push back. >>> >>> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up >>> to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck >>> to run with a face mask on. >>> >>> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity >>> to rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping >>> 18-25 minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than >>> in the air on that flight. >>> >>> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >>> >>> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >>> >>> -D >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Had the reboot delays on a regional Embraer a few years ago. After the third or fourth attempt to get the systems up, running, and happy, they gave up and called maintenance. All these electronic systems are modular so they just swapped a module and we were finally on our way after about a 45 minute delay. I guess we should be thankful it happened at an airport where they had maintenance staff and parts on hand. On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, at 1:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: > I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. > Finally got it to work. Was not encouraging. > > I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would > not work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No > luck. The manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to > do something. It was some flavor of windows but had very limited > capabilities. The FAs spent a lot of the time cussing quietly at the > thing as the natives were restless with no electronic pacifiers until > we gave up. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early >> flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got >> delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight >> computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which >> still didn’t help. >> >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics >> before we were airworthy and could push back. >> >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up >> to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck >> to run with a face mask on. >> >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to >> rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 >> minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the >> air on that flight. >> >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >> >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
My feelings exactly. You don’t want to be 35,000 feet in the air and suddenly see the blue screen of death. However, I would be willing to bet modern avionics mostly run on a proprietary system or Linux kernel. I would hope so, at least. Maybe Grant knows? I never rely on onboard entertainment. If it’s there, great. If not, I’ve got reading material. Wanted to go retro today, so I watched “Wayne’s World” on the TPA/DFW flight. Silly and mindless, but entertaining none the less. -D > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes > wrote: > > I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. Finally > got it to work. Was not encouraging. > > I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would not > work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No luck. The > manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do something. It > was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. The FAs spent a > lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives were restless > with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. > > --FT > Sent from iFōn > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early >> flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got >> delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight >> computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which >> still didn’t help. >> >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics >> before we were airworthy and could push back. >> >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up >> to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck >> to run with a face mask on. >> >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to >> rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 >> minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the >> air on that flight. >> >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >> >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I was on some flight once and they had to reboot the airplane 3X. Finally got it to work. Was not encouraging. I was on a long flight once, sitting in Row1. The movie computer would not work. I spent 30min with a coupla FAs trying to get it running. No luck. The manual had no clue but it did have a small display to try to do something. It was some flavor of windows but had very limited capabilities. The FAs spent a lot of the time cussing quietly at the thing as the natives were restless with no electronic pacifiers until we gave up. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:59 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early > flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got > delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight > computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which > still didn’t help. > > Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics > before we were airworthy and could push back. > > Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up > to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck to > run with a face mask on. > > Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to > rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 > minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the > air on that flight. > > Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. > > Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
I’m gold, but that’s really the bottom tier for American. I’ll probably make platinum this year with all my trips back and forth to Flagstaff. I should probably get a rewards card of some sort and milk that, too. It’s not too busy today, my flight to DFW had plenty of open seats. Most likely how they got me into first to PHX. As a gold member they automatically upgrade on the PHX-FLG flight because it’s so short (138 miles). -D Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > Yep sounds like American and airbus. I doubt you have status so surprised > you got a first class upgrade. That had to have pissed off others that were > on the upgrade list. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 4, 2021, at 11:59 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early >> flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got >> delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight >> computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which >> still didn’t help. >> >> Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics >> before we were airworthy and could push back. >> >> Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up >> to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck >> to run with a face mask on. >> >> Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to >> rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 >> minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the >> air on that flight. >> >> Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. >> >> Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. >> >> -D >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Reboot Your Aircraft
Yep sounds like American and airbus. I doubt you have status so surprised you got a first class upgrade. That had to have pissed off others that were on the upgrade list. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2021, at 11:59 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > Taking a quick trip out to the Flagstaff house for a week. Caught the early > flight to DFW out of TPA, a later model (“neo”) Airbus of some flavor. Got > delayed over an hour at the gate because they couldn’t get the flight > computers to boot. They had to completely power down the aircraft, which > still didn’t help. > > Ultimately, they had to get in the rear cargo hold to replace electronics > before we were airworthy and could push back. > > Got into DFW with 10 minutes to get from C to E. Did my best OJ but came up > to the gate as the jet bridge was rolling back. Poo. Holy cow does it suck to > run with a face mask on. > > Thanks to American’s iPhone app they had already given me the opportunity to > rebook. I have to go to PHX now, then puddle jump to FLG, a whopping 18-25 > minute flight in most cases. You often spend more time taxiing than in the > air on that flight. > > Whined to an agent in DFW and got upgraded to first, so that helps. > > Hope no more of my aircraft require rebooting today. > > -D > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
