Re: windows version broken?
On Feb 28, 2014, at 7:09 AM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > Hi > > Yesterday I tried to use MC on windows, and it would throw a ton of errors on > any user action like opening the message box, changing the tool, etc. In > addition it was impossible to look at any scripts, because it wouldn't > actually show the relevant scripts in the script editor window. I also saw > two stacks open in the "window" menu, that i hadn't ever seen on mac os x, > but was unable to even look at them (stsScriptingTools and > stsST_IntelliScript). Bjornke, Those two stacks are ones in my development environment… I'm assuming that you're getting some error early on in MC's loading process before it gets a chance to reset the window menu and initialize MC properly. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No names of new objects with engine 5?
Whoops! Need to change this: > 1) In the newButton handler of the MC IDE Backscript, add this before > "choose pointer tool": > > set the name of the target to "New Button" to this: if the name of the target contains "button id" then set the name of the target to "New Button" end if Otherwise it affects option-dragged clones of buttons... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No names of new objects with engine 5?
On Dec Where can I check this (and fix it for me)? > I mean where can I "hook" in the MC IDE? To be comprehensive, I'd want to do it in two places: 1) In the newButton handler of the MC IDE Backscript, add this before "choose pointer tool": set the name of the target to "New Button" 2) In the preOpenStack handler of the first card of the "MetaCard Menu Bar" stack, put this before "set the mcversion of stack…": set the name of the templateButton to "New Button" I think that should cover it in most cases… Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No names of new objects with engine 5?
> This appears to be an engine bug, introduced some time in the 4.x series. > > A change of this scope cannot be assumed to be a feature, probably rightly > considered a bug, and should be addressed in the engine. > > Has this been filed as a bug report? Actually it was introduced in 4.6.4; prior to that (going back to MC 3.5 at least), only buttons were created with a default name - all other objects were created without one. So LC 5 made it "consistent" (theoretically), but definitely unexpected, and with the possiblity of breaking scripts. I don't think it was logged as a bug, though... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: No names of new objects with engine 5?
On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote:
> Hi friends,
>
> Am 01.11.2011 um 18:40 schrieb Klaus on-rev:
>
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> someone also experienced that with engine 5.0.0
>> newly created objects do not have a name!?
>
> this still applies to the new 5.02 engine, published today.
>
> Is there any front- or backscript in the MC IDE, where we could
> "correct" this behaviour somehow? I forgot about this…
BTW: I checked under MC 4, and it seems that the only object that ever got a
name was a button ("New Button"); all the other objects started without names.
Does this sound right to you? If so, I'll fix the IDE to put the name back in
for buttons only (as an option, so those who like it the "new" way can leave it
that way).
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Re: No names of new objects with engine 5?
On Dec 13, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Klaus on-rev wrote: > Hi friends, > > Am 01.11.2011 um 18:40 schrieb Klaus on-rev: > >> Hi friends, >> >> someone also experienced that with engine 5.0.0 >> newly created objects do not have a name!? > > this still applies to the new 5.02 engine, published today. > > Is there any front- or backscript in the MC IDE, where we could > "correct" this behaviour somehow? I forgot about this… Good point, Klaus! I'll take care of it for the next update... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Stacks always open on launch
> Yup, that was it. Thanks. There was a text file and also three aliases to > stacks. I took them all out and made a new build of the IDE, and it works now. > > If you get a chance some time, it would be nice if the plugin manager would > test for stack files. Other file types leave blank lines in the list, which > also throws off library loading. The aliases all referenced stacks, but they > don't resolve and so they leave blank lines in the list. When there are blank > lines, trying to open one of the plugins or loading one as a library is off > by as many lines in the list as there are blanks. I.e., in the Plugin Manager > I would select a line in the list, click "Open as toplevel", and a stack 3 > lines up would open. > > I still have no idea why my old copy of the IDE was opening an unrelated > stack on disk though. With the new IDE build it stopped. Yeah, I think the new IDE fixes the "other files" problem too, since I tried reproducing the bug and I couldn't (I added a few text files and aliases to non-text files during my test). If you *can* reproduce it, though, let me know and I'll fix it. Ken ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Stacks always open on launch
On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:43 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 12/8/11 6:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: >> Where does the plugin manager store its lists of auto-open stacks? Two >> of my stacks always open on launch without me telling them to and I >> can't get rid of them. I figure they must be in that list. They aren't >> plugins, btw. >> > > Never mind, I see it reads the folder contents. Something's completely > screwed up with my plugins manager. It's off by two. And when I tried to > debug the script, none of the variables show up in the variable watcher, nor > can I get the values in the message box while stepping through the code. > > And that doesn't explain why my non-plugin stacks are opening all by > themselves. Is it possible you have files in the plugins folder that aren't stacks? I've had situations like what you've described and that's what I had... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Coming back to MC
On Nov 23, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Brian Wis wrote: > Well it generally seems OK, with one issue thus far: The ask dialog does not > work correctly. Essentially it comes up blank, and it does not utilize the > user input as it should either. Have I missed something in the installation > process? My suggestion would be start over, and use Jacque's "MetaCard Setup" plugin for LiveCode to create your MC installation. You can find it in the "Files" area of the Yahoo group - make sure you download "metacard_setup201.rev.zip". After you install her plugin, you can launch LiveCode and select "Metacard Setup" from the Plugins menu in the LC IDE. A few button clicks and you'll have a fully working verson of MetaCard with the latest IDE. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Coming back to MC
On Nov 23, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Brian Wis wrote: > Anyway, I started thinking about bringing the stack up to date and started > researching the whereabouts of MC, and I found this group. I see that IDE 4.1 > is available (I have downloaded it), but I'm not quite sure how to proceed as > far as getting this together with LiveCode 5.0. Is MC compatible with 5.0, > and if so can I just follow the pdf installation instructions that exist for > version LIveCode 4.5? Yes, that should work… if it doesn't, post to the list again and we'll figure it out. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Setting drive letter
On Nov 15, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Eva Isotalo wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Saying it straight away, I'm still using my old MC 2.4.3. :-) > > Can I set a drive letter to a folder with MC? Not sure what you mean by that… what are you trying to make happen? > I know how to do it with CMD but wanted to make it a one button click. You should be able to do it by executing the same command you'd do at the command line, but with the shell() function in MC. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Indenting scripts
On Sep 8, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Shari wrote: >> On 9/8/11 12:51 PM, Shari wrote: >>>> Remove the carriage return between the "get random" line and the first >>>> "if it is". Then the rest will align. >>> >>> No luck. I moved the first "if" right up under the "get" to no avail. It >>> still doesn't align. >> >> Works in 4.6.4. >> > > > Ah. I'm at 4.6.3. > > But that is confusing as 4.6.3/4.6.4 is the engine, and as far as I know I'm > using the latest MC IDE of 4.1. Wouldn't this be an IDE issue? Shari, sorry I didn't catch this earlier, but the answer is *yes*, it's an IDE issue... I put the script formatter in the MC IDE through a significant overhaul in IDE 4.1 and it looks like something crept in I hadn't tested for. I'll fix the IDE and put out a new build as soon as I'm able. Sorry about that... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: mcStandaloneBuilder b1 posted
> Our new SB could maybe be considered to possess a similar simplicity, > but it is surely not obvious, unless of course you know which entries > are required. > > After a lot of trial and error - yesterday and today - I think I found > out the minimal requirements to build a standalone (I am though not > sure, whether I am 100% exact here, but they seem to work; ten minutes > ago I have been finally able to build my first working standalone, but > we do not get a concluding message after an achieved build like with MC > SB 3.0.0b): > > - select "Source Stack" > - "Save Stack" is *not* needed for the build, probably only useful for > storing the new custom properties in the source stack, but for that > purpose *after* the build process. > -select "destination Folder" > - select "LiveCode Folder/Bundle" > In the "General" Tab > - enter "App Name" (name of the new standalone) > - enter "Version" > - enter "Builder Number" (really reqired?) > In the "Windows" tab > - add "File Version" > - add "Product Version". OK, let's take this one at a time as it relates to a "quick build" (i.e. brand new stack): "Source Stack" currently is automatically filled in for you *if* the stack has any standalone settings stored with it. I think it should just use the topStack (unless Richard wants to chime in here). At least one "Build For" checkbox must be checked. Perhaps the SB should automatically check off the current OS's checkbox for a brand new stack. "Destination Folder" is needed, but once again, perhaps it can default to the current location of the stack. "LiveCode Folder/Bundle", if set in Preferences, will automatically be filled in for you in the SB. "General Tab": All you should need to fill in is the "App Name" and "Version Number" field - once you exit the Verison Number field, it automatically sets the File Description, File Version and Product Version fields on the Windows tab (as well as the Short Version, Long Version, and Get Info fields on the Mac OS X tab). So if changed to meet the above concepts, for a quick build you'd need to just enter the App Name and Version Number. > As a result of all my endeavours I have now got two extra folders in my > destination directory, namely "Version" and "Version 1". Folder > "Version" is empty, "Version 1" contains two subfolders "Build" and > "Build 1". "Build" also is empty, "Build 1" eventually contains folder > "Windows" with the three standalone files I managed to create in these > two days. All indeed bear their "App Names" I had chosen in the > "General" tab, but two of them refuse to run and throw an error > "Standalone origin mismatch". - When you build with the SB, a subfolder of the Destination Folder is created based on the version number in the "Version" field, and a subfolder of the Version folder for the build number. So if the version is "1.0" and the build number is "1", and the app name is "Test", when you build it you get this in the Destination Folder: Version 1.0 Build 1 Test.exe Apparently if you leave the "Builder Number" (should be "Build Number") field empty, it will create a folder based on the Version field and a subfolder just called "Build", but will then throw an error, giving you: Version 1.0 Build If you then put "1" into the field and re-build, it creates the "Build 1" folder and puts the standalone into there: Version 1.0 Build Build 1 Test.exe If you leave the Version and Build Number fields alone and change the name of the standalone to "Another Test" and hit Build, you'd have this: Version 1.0 Build Build 1 Test.exe Another Test.exe > I am wondering what the meaning of this message could be. I can't help with that one... it must be thrown by the LC engine itself. > As I had > already reported yesterday, one of the non-running standalones has > deviating entries in its ""cRevStandaloneSettings" that are created > during the build process > > "Livecode 4.6.1" for "_GEN_EngineFolder" > but "Livecode 4.6" for "defaultBuildFolder" Interestingly, I don't have a "defaultBuildFolder" value in my custom property set for a fresh build. > I recommend to use something like "cMCStandaloneSettings" in the future > to avoid such conflicts. &
Re: mcStandaloneBuilder b1 posted
Sorry Wilhelm, misread your post - ignore what I said in my previous post to the list. > My proposal is to allow to point to the "runtime" folder only, which > could be copied into the Metacard folder. This would mean that you need > not have both the full Metacard and Livecode installations on the same > computer (for example on a laptop). If the presence of a complete > Livecode folder would be needed, why should we use an extra MC > Standalone Builder?, provided of course the Livecode SB would function > as expected without such peculiarities as it had often shown in the past > like endless build times etc.. That's the rub... even if the LC SB worked perfectly, it would still be a pain to develop in the MC IDE and then have to switch out to LC in order to build a standalone. We're trying to accommodate those that use MC *and* LC as well as those using MC only, so we should come up with a good way to do that; pointing to only the Runtime folder might be a way to do it... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: mcStandaloneBuilder b1 posted
> For "LiveCode Folder/Bundle" - in the upper region of the Standalone Builder > - I had first chosen the Livecode "runtime" folder" where the "standalone" > files reside - following in essence the procedure I had used before in the > 3.0 MC IDE, namely locating the necessary file "standalone". Instead we > apparently need to choose the complete Livecode folder, but I cannot > replicate this now as the Standalone Builder at the moment refuses to build > any stacks, there is even no error message when I press button "Build". Wilhelm, the "LiveCode Folder/Bundle" corresponds to the true LiveCode directory or (on Mac) application bundle. The standalone builder figures out where the runtimes are based on that. this matches the corresponding data in the new "LiveCode" tab of the Preferences window; in fact, if you set it up from Preferences, the new standalone builder will use it. So all you need to do is pick the folder that was installed by the LiveCode installer into Program Files and the SB should do the rest (bugs notwithstanding). Ken ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Proposed stack name changes for the MC IDE
> Using a prefix implies that there is the possibility of extending the MC IDE > in the future and a potential getting-in-the-way. This is something we don't > want. I clearly agree that the "getting in the way" is something we don't want, but can you clarify what you mean by "extending the MC IDE"? > Although it isn't a big deal, I think that using a prefix like "mc" is very > RunRev-like and not the right approach. Since the number of IDE stacks is > supposed to stay at a minimum, a prefix should be unnecessary. If we ever need > something like this, it would be nice to come up with a really clever and > friendly solution. I'd *love* for there to be less IDE stacks - currently there are *70* substacks of the Metacard Menu Bar stack. Granted that some of these are old copies that can be deleted or are for dialogs to set really old settings, or are copies of the Script Editor, but without some significant changes it's not going to get much smaller. I think the issue is that until RunRev creates namespaces inside LC, the IDE stacks should be renamed to get out of the way of the developer, at least the more common ones like Preferences and Properties. The only issue with only renaming *some* stacks is it becomes inconsistent, which is also a pain. The good thing though is that unless one is working on tools to manipulate the IDE itself, they shouldn't encounter the internal stack names of the IDE stacks very often, so it may not matter what they get called as long as they get out of the way. Just my 2 cents, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Proposed stack name changes for the MC IDE
Hey all, I just gave a presentation last weekend at the LiveCode Live event on the MC IDE and one of the things I brought up was the fact that a great benefit to the MC IDE vs the LiveCode IDE is that it really tries to "get out of the way of the developer." And although it currently does a pretty good job of that, there are a few places that IMHO still need to be changed. The two that immediately come to mind are the Preferences and Properties stacks, both of which prevent you as a developer from being able to name *your* stacks "Preferences" or "Properties", and there are probably other stack name conflicts as well. For the next build of the IDE, I'd like to change the IDE stack names to have an "mc" prefix (like "mcPreferences"), but since this affects anything that runs as a plugin, etc., I wanted to bring it up for discussion first. What are your thoughts on this? Good idea? Bad idea? ...? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Metacard Setup 2.0
> I just used Metcard Setup 2.0 to install Metacard from Livecode 4.6.0 (build > 1340). All seemed to work fine at installation, but the app just starts up in > the finder (no windows) and quits immediately. Any suggestions? Change the name of "mchome.mc" file to "home.rev". It should work... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] MetaCard IDE 4.1
> http://metcard.livejournal.com/files/mc_ide_4.1.zip Sorry, wrong URL: http://www.metacard.livecodejournal.com/files/mc_ide_4.1.zip :D Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] MetaCard IDE 4.1
On the heels of Jacque's announcement, I'm pleased to announce that the newest release of the MetaCard IDE, Version 4.1, is now available for download. This release has *a lot* of changes and additions to it, and a list of these changs/additions is included at the bottom of this post and as part of the download. If you already downloaded a copy using Jacque's MC Setup stack right after she made her announcement, you should download a new copy... the IDE changed slightly and the MC Setup stack did not download a copy of Richard's standalone builder stack; this is all included in the MC IDE download. You can get it from the Yahoo Group's "Files" area, or you can download it directly from this url: http://metcard.livejournal.com/files/mc_ide_4.1.zip If you have any issues with the new IDE, please post them to the list or send me an email, whichever you feel is most appropriate. Enjoy! Ken === Version 4.1 - June 2011 General --- - Added support for a new 'mcomponents' folder with the first component being Richard's new Standalone Builder. This folder will be used for other components later on down the line. - Added "mcGetPref", "mcSetPref", and "mcPrefsList" handlers to the backscript to work with new preferences model (see Preferences for more info). - Added "mcStackPath" function to backscript to help developers deal with the multiple MC/Rev/LC extensions. (To use, pass it a path to a stack file minus any extension; it will check for .mc, .rev, or .livecode versions of that stack path and return the path, including extension, or "not found" if there isn't a stack file with any of those extensions.) - Added "mcLoadStack" and "mcPurgeStack" handlers to backscript to help developers manage memory. - Added Richard's "mcStandaloneBuilder.rev" stack which is currently IN BETA - so if you run into any issues or have any suggested changes, please send a message to the MetaCard List or contact him directly at "ambassa...@fourthworld.com". Menus - - [File] Added support for listing .livecode files in the Open dialog - [File] Modified "New Stack" to set the following properties on by default: destroyWindow, destroyStack, liveResizing, alwaysBuffer, width=640, height=480, loc=screenLoc. NOTE: This does not change the current state of the templatestack. - [Edit] Added support for pasting image data; it creates a new image object with the image data in it - [Text] Added "Gray", "Orange" and "Purple" to text colors menu (we already had the secondary color "Green", but we didn't have the other two secondary ones) - [Window] Fixed bug in Window menu creation where button reference was inaccurate under certain circumstances - [Window] Supercharged the "Window" menu: (a) Shows hidden windows with surrounding brackets (b) Puts a diamond in front of the menu item for the topmost window (c) If you pick a hidden (bracketed) window from the menu, you have an option to show it (shows a confirmation dialog unless you hold down Option when making the selection) (d) Added a "Center Offscreen Windows" menu item (e) If you hold down Option when invoking the menu, the windows in the menu are not sorted (i.e. they are listed in stacking order) (f) If you hold down the Shift key when invoking the menu, the substacks of the main stacks in the menu are listed in a submenu that you can select from (if you want to open the substack) or just view. Message Box --- - Removed 4W-specific code from card script - Fixed bug where you couldn't use parentheses to execute a command in the Message Box (i.e. "DoMyThing (the short name of this stack)" would think you were trying to execute a function) - Fixed bug where message box wouldn't work under Windows without tinkering with the Message Box Field script to exclude "(x86)" globals Preferences --- - Modified layout of Preferences window; made upper/lower case labels consistent across all tabs - [Look and Feel] Added option to turn off message box scrollbars in Preferences window - [Look and Feel] Added option to completely hide the Home stack on launch if you don't want to see it - [Look and Feel] Added checkboxes for setting the default value of destroyStack, destroyWindow, and alwaysBuffer for new stacks - [Script Editor] Added "Cmd-option edits scripts in browse mode" option (defaults to false for backwards compatibility) - [Script Editor] Added "Preserve script-local Variables" option (defaults to false for backwards compatibility) - Added "LiveCode" tab to the Preferences window that allows you to store the location of your LiveCode app bundle or folder to aid with standalone building, etc. - Converted preferences throughout IDE to use a separate preferences file on disk through the use of the "mcGetPref", "mcSetPref", and "mcPrefsList" handlers in the backscript (thank you, Richard!). Properties Palette -- - [All] Added "Visible" property to al
Re: New MC-standalone builder
> Even better would be to find it for you, but I don't believe the MC IDE > currently provides a preference setting to store the path to your LC > installation. > > @Ken: Could we provide such a preference? This could be very useful > for all sorts of things, from managing externals to finding > documentation elements and more, obviating the need to replicate any of > those files. I think that's a great idea... I'll add that to the MC IDE. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Live livecode event
> Knowledge about even the existence of Metacard is very low among new customers > of LC. That is why I am looking for presenters who can talk about one or some > of these topics: > > - How to set up MC on Mac and/or Windows > - Introduction to differences between MC and LC > - Explanation about how to extend MC (or LC) > - History overview back to MC or even all the way to Hypercard > - Anything else > > We gather every Saturday at 20:00 CET, more info at www.livecode.tv > > Is no one here is up to this task? I can probably make some time, depending on which Saturday we do this on. When did you want to do this? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC and Vista 64
> Thank you both! Unfortunately it still is not working. Hmm... perhaps it's the version of MC; you're still working with 2.4.3? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC and Vista 64
> I guess the line .. > >> do "global" && the globals & return & command \ >> & return & "if the result is not empty then put the result" > > should be changed to .. > > do "global" && tGlobs & return & command \ > & return & "if the result is not empty then put the result" True... thanks for catching that, Tariel... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MC and Vista 64
> The lines I have at the end of the returnInField looks a bit different
> so I'm not sure what/where I should change:
>
>if cword is not among the lines of the commandNames then
> if cword is "the" or cword is a number or token 2 of cword is "("
> then put value(command, this card)
> else send command to this card
>else
> if debugging
> then debugdo command & return & "if the result is not empty then put the
> result"
> else do "global" && the globals & return & command \
> & return & "if the result is not empty then put the result"
>end if
>unlock error dialogs
> end returnInField
Change that portion of the handler to read:
if cword is not among the lines of the commandNames then
if cword is "the" or cword is a number or token 2 of cword is "("
then put value(command, this card)
else send command to this card
else
if debugging then
debugdo command & return & "if the result is not empty then put the
result"
else
put the globals into tGlobs
replace "$ProgramFiles(x86)" with "" in tGlobs
replace "$CommonProgramFiles(x86)" with "" in tGlobs
do "global" && the globals & return & command \
& return & "if the result is not empty then put the result"
end if
end if
unlock error dialogs
end returnInField
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Re: MC and Vista 64
> Does MetaCard have something against Vista 64 bit? Ever since I got my > new machine it's giving me errors for common stuff like writing commands > in the message box. Is this a known issue? Is there a fix? The problem is that under 64-bit Vista or Win 7, the "globals" now contains global names that contain "(x86)" - the parentheses gives the Message Box (and the Variable Watcher too) fits. To fix this for the Message Box, create a button on a card and set the script to: on mouseUp edit script of field "Message Field" of stack "Message Box" end mouseUp and click the button. In the script, in the 'returnInField' handler near the bottom, there are two lines: put the globals into tGlobs do "global" && tGlobs & return & ... (etc.) In between these two lines, insert: replace "$ProgramFiles(x86)" with "" in tGlobs replace "$CommonProgramFiles(x86)" with "" in tGlobs Save the script, then execute: save stack "Message Box" You're done! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Questons to IDE 4
> I am currently working on the new MC IDE 4 and while I am at this, > there are some questions concerning the output of the new standalone > building process. > > OS X: > Would you like to output > a: ppc, fat AND intel apps at the same time like Rev does? > This would require to create subfolder(s) in the target directory! > > b: ppc OR fat OR intel apps = only one app at a time? Personally, I only do Universal, and eventually I'll only do Intel since Apple stopped using PPC processors. So I'd vote for (b) myself, but it wouldn't bother me to have (a). :-) > Will also add an updated version of Ken Rays "Varaible Watcher". Thanks for the reminder, Klaus... how soon do you see making this available? (I just want to know how much time I have to get the VW ready...) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: revappversion()
> It still responds correctly for me in Rev. I get "3.0.0" in Rev, and "0" > in MC. I hope it doesn't change, because I use it a lot of stacks. Same here, Jacque... I get "0" in MC. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Span Tags in HTML
> Or you could use RevBrowser to display fully formatted HTML/CSS (does > RevBrowser work in MetaCard?). Yup! Have it working on a daily basis here... :-D Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Span Tags in HTML
> Anyone with any ideas on how to use tags when setting the
> htmlText of a fld? Example:
>
>
>
>
> span.blue {color:lightskyblue;font-weight:bold}
> span.green {color:darkolivegreen;font-weight:bold}
>
>
>
> My mother has light blue eyes and my
> father has dark green eyes.
>
>
>
> This works fine in any browser, but setting the htmlText of a fld
> ignores the tags.
Sorry, Ray... the htmlText of a field only has limited HTML support, and
tags aren't one of them, nor is any CSS. You'd have to replace your
tags with old-style tags in order to get what you want, so you
could do something like this (assuming field 1 contains the actual HTML and
you want to render it into field 2):
-- watch line wraps
on mouseUp
put fld 1 into tData
put replaceText(tData,"","") into tData
replace format("") with format("") in tData
replace format("") with format("") in tData
replace "" with "" in tData
set the htmlText of fld 2 to tData
end mouseUp
HTH,
Ken Ray
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Re: New question about using Valentina
> Can Valentina XCMD (aka "VXCMD") operate with [any] standard mySQL server ? > > Or will it only work with Valentina's servers (aka "VSERVER") ? Only with Valentina's server products. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Use Valentina with MetaCard 2.5 ?
> As it has been for y'all, I surmise, because respondents in this thread have > been unanimously favorable to Valentina. No one reported any regret. Not > so-far, anyways. I'd like to hear from other Valentina users too, or would-be > users that were discouraged.. or whomever has something relevant to say about > Valentina. Good or bad are equally welcome. :) Actually, I'm not completely in the "yay-Valentina!" camp. ;-) I was working with a client on an application that was using Valentina as the DB, and it did not scale very well... we had a situation where my client's major customer couldn't get more than a few hours out of Val without it crashing. We worked with Ruslan almost daily for over a month and couldn't figure out what the issue was. We ended up switching to MySQL and have been happy as clams ever since. NOTE, however, that (a) we were using Valentina 1.x, not 2.x (which is supposed to be more stable/flexible/etc.), (b) we were not having any problems with our smaller customers (i.e. 2-20 concurrent users) but only had problems with the larger ones (50-150 concurrent users), and (c) Ruslan was INCREDIBLY responsible to us and was working with us daily, giving us custom builds, etc., so the support was excellent. I'm not sure any of the above applies to you, but just thought I'd bring it up. :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Use Valentina with MetaCard 2.5 ?
> Yes. I started using Valentina with HyperCard and then switched to > MetaCard. Revolution came along but I continue with MetaCard and > Valentina. Which version of Valentina is optimal for your MetaCard is > to be checked. I presume that by MetaCard 2.5 you mean Rev engine 2.5 > with MC IDE. Actually, Robert, at that time Runtime Revolution hadn't quite acquired the engine yet (they did so in July of 2003)... so it truly was "MetaCard 2.5" (which was released in April of 2003, IIRC). Alain, one caveat on using Valentina is whether the *current* Valentina will work with MC 2.5; you may need to find/acquire an older version for it to work. You should contact Ruslan Zasukhin at Paradigmasoft (sunshine AT public.kherson.ua) to find out for sure. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: k...@sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Script Editor problems
> Thank you Klaus... I thought it was just me! I cannot step through any lines
> that refer to objects as the mc script editor immediately reports an 'no
> such object' (or similar) error. Is becoming a royal P.I.T.A. and am
> resorting to writing out to .txt debugging files, beeps, msg box put
> statements etc just to work around it.
OK guys, as I'm the "owner" of the VW, I think I have found the problem - it
appears that the "defaultStack" is being set in a handler which doesn't seem
to need it (which for some reason didn't affect the engine <3.0 but does
now).
Try this:
edit script of cd 1 of stack "Variable Watcher"
Go to the "resetFocus" handler and comment out the line:
set the defaultStack to tStack
So it looks like this:
on resetFocus
put the debuggingScript of stack "Script Editor" into tEditorCard
if tEditorCard is not empty then
put wordOffset("stack",tEditorCard) into tWord
if tWord <> 0 then
put word (tWord+1) of tEditorCard into tStack
if char 1 of tStack = quote then delete char 1 of tStack
if char -1 of tStack = quote then delete char -1 of tStack
if tStack is among the lines of the windows then
--set the defaultStack to tStack
if there is a button "Debug" of stack tStack then
send "mouseDown" to btn "Debug" of stack tStack
end if
if there is a field "Editor Field" of stack tStack then
focus field "Editor Field" of stack tStack
end if
end if
end if
end if
end resetFocus
Finally, save the VW:
save stack "Variable Watcher"
Let me know if this works for you; if so, I'll include it with other
3.0-related enhancements I'm making (like support for multi-dimensional
arrays).
Thanks,
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Re: Font Chooser in MC-IDE 2.9 and 3.0b
>> Ken, I was wondering if you had any plans to update the variable >> watcher so it works with the new arrays? I'm not sure what the best >> way to do that is, and it would be a huge undertaking, but it sure >> would be nice to have. If you are willing to tackle that, then maybe >> it could go out with the 3.0 IDE too? I have plans for updating the VW, but haven't had too much time to work on it... depending on when you see the 3.0 IDE being released, I *may* be able to be ready, but more than likely it'll have to come on the heels of the 3.0 IDE release, I'm afraid... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Scrollbar cutoff 2.9?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:18:15 +0100, Klaus Major wrote: > I always forget that I use OS X 10.5.2 at home and 10.4.11 at work. > So it looks like this is a "Leopard" thing! I think it's a "Leopard/PPC" thing since I'm running Leopard 10.5.2 on an Intel Mac and not experiencing the problem you're describing. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Scrollbar cutoff 2.9?
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 00:28:32 -, Rob wrote: > Klaus > > I'm don't know if Jacqueline's idea has worked but anyway... > > MC IDE 2.9.1 > Engine 2.9.0-rc-2 build 570 > Show value ticked > The other properties default. > > It still looks the same. > > Another screenshot: http://www.drivingwheeldruid.com/scrollbar.html Rob, try clicking the "Show Value" checkbox on and off a couple of times. I didn't originally see the problem because I changed the scrollbar to "scale" *first* before clicking "SHow Value", and it always looked right to me. But if I do it in reverse order, the thumb doesn't change to the shield properly, but unchecking and rechecking "Show Value" ended up displaying it properly for me. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Scrollbar cutoff 2.9?
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 13:23:58 +0100, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Richard, > >> Rob wrote: >>> Maybe the engine delivers something different when in "MC mode" >>> rather than "Rev mode". I'm quite sure that MC compatability is not >>> at the top of the list priority wise for Runrev. >> The engine is the engine, whichever IDE it's used in. Supporting >> MetaCard simply means supporting the documented engine behaviors. >> Anything MC relies on is likely being used by others as well, so >> there's nothing extra required for them to support MC other than to >> support their customers. > > Yes, but do you see this phenomenon on OS X? I only see it when running the 2.8.1 engine under Leopard. When I run 2.9, it looks fine for me. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: strange error in MC IDE script editor
On Sun, 2 Dec 2007 06:33:52 -0500, Ray Horsley wrote: > Greetings, > > This has been going on with m copy of 2.7.4 for several years. I hit > the enter key, I get an error report that there's something wrong > with the script, I look for the error, can't find it, hit the enter > key again, and she closes just fine. As far as I can tell it has > something to do with editing how the script was typed in. It seems > the engine is still seeing text you've typed and deleted. I've grown > used to it, but if anybody can provide a fix it sure would be nice. Same here - in fact the same thing happens to me sometimes using Rev's IDE. Occasionally what works is to copy the complete script out of the Script Editor and paste it into a text editor. Close the empty Script Editor window, which *should* close without complaint. Then reopen the Script Editor, copy and paste your script back in and reclose the Script Editor. Seems to work most of the time to remove the problem, but for how long is anyone's guess. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Metacard compiles for Leopard
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:49:49 -0500, Shari wrote: > In looking at my Contents folder, which includes a plugins folder as > provided by Rev, I noticed that the plugins include: > > coreimage_support.bundle > jaguar_theme_support.bundle > panther > tiger > > Could the missing Leopard bundle explain it? No, I don't think so... those support bundles are for UI, AFAIK, and not functionality. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Metacard compiles for Leopard
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:19:17 -0500, Shari wrote: > I can try recompiling. I compile with the UB but perhaps I erred in > some way. If you want, I can send you a copy of the UB runtime engine I've been using for a while without problem (if you need it, just let me know offlist). > Thank you for the explanation. Even a Google search of > the "not supported on this architecture" failed to produce even one > web page explaining what was meant by that. Yeah, I did a search as well, and got a lot of hits, but none were very specific. Basically I pieced together all the comments I saw of "are you using an older version, maybe you should upgrade to the latest". One thing I noted, however, was that although I had originally thought that Leopard required an Intel processor, it actually does not, and will run on PowerPC processors as well. So when someone who's using Leopard reports an error, make sure you get his processor type with the bug report... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: AllowInterrupts 'False' By Default?
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:20:03 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote: > But for the Rev IDE to do things which contradict engine behavior > only complicates things for their IDE and all others. Sure would be > nice if they want something in the engine that they'd just do it. Just got confirmation from Oliver that they see this is now a confirmed bug in 2.9.0dp1, so I'm assuming it will be fixed for the official 2.9 release. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Metacard compiles for Leopard
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:27:58 -0500, Shari wrote: > As reported to me by several folks who had the app working happily > before they upgraded to Leopard:' > >>>> > It says it can't be opened because it is not "supported on this > architecture." No error code. > <<< Shari, is it possible you might have built an Intel-only version of your app, and the people running Leopard are on PPC's? Or vice-versa? That's what the "not supported on this architecture" means (AFAIK)... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: AllowInterrupts 'False' By Default?
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:50:59 +0100, Klaus Major wrote: > I found that I also put this line into my home stack after I read > about this bug in version 2.7 :-) That may be why a lot of the people I've contacted have told me that their "default" is TRUE... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: AllowInterrupts 'False' By Default?
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 22:10:01 -0600, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Sorry, I didn't even think of that. I removed a custom backscript and > restarted MC. Now the allowinterrupts is false, so it looks like an > engine default. I thought Mark fixed that a couple of versions ago. I > remember that Rev shipped with it accidentally set to false for one > release. Yes, I checked RevZilla, and there it is... it was reported on version 2.7.0 and was reported as fixed. So I'll re-open the bug. The odd thing is that it *appears* to have a different default in the RevIDE, but I'm sure that's because the locked Home stack script is setting it to true. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: AllowInterrupts 'False' By Default?
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:12:58 -0600, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Ken Ray wrote: > >> So the big question... are any of you experiencing this same problem >> in the MC IDE? The basic test I did was (a) launch MC, open the >> message box, type "put the allowInterrupts"... > > Rev engine 2.8.1, MC 2.8.3: allowinterrupts is true Hmm... maybe I'll try going back to 2.8.3 and see if there's any difference. BTW, is this with a "clean" install, or one you've had for a while? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
AllowInterrupts 'False' By Default?
I've been dealing with the fact that I have been unable to Command-period out of script execution for many months, and even complained about that to Richard... however he didn't seem to have any problems. So after doing a lot of testing, I have come to the following facts: 1) A brand new build of MC and the MC IDE using the latest 2.8.1 version of Rev will, by default, set the allowInterrupts to FALSE. (I searched through all of the scripts in the MC IDE, and none set the allowInterrupts property.) 2) Rev 2.8.1 has the default allowInterrupts set to TRUE. (I searched through all of the scripts that I have access tothat Rev loads (i.e. not the "Home.rev" stack, which is locked and I can't edit), an none set set the allowInterrupts to TRUE.) 3) Standalones built in both MC and Rev have their default allowInterrupts set to TRUE. 4) There are some differences between the Rev editing engine and the Rev standalone engine (otherwise we wouldn't need to use a separate engine to build standalones). 5) This does not have any problems in MC 2.6.6. So it appears as through the Editing engine sets the default to FALSE, and the standalone sets it to TRUE, and (I assume) the locked Home.rev is setting the allowInterrupts to TRUE for use in the Rev IDE - but since the MC IDE *isn't*, it's staying FALSE. The only other answer I can see is that the engine is discriminating between IDEs (which is probably unlikely). So the big question... are any of you experiencing this same problem in the MC IDE? The basic test I did was (a) launch MC, open the message box, type "put the allowInterrupts"... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Variable Watcher 15 Uploaded
Hey all! I have uploaded to the Files area a version of the Variable Watcher that includes some bug fixes and a handful of new features, which I have screenshots of at this page on my site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/projects/vw/vw.htm This is the first time I've added features to the VW that were not a "natural extension" of things the VW already did, so feel free to use this version or not as you see fit. Of course there is full documentation with the download from the Files area (in the "Extras" folder) - please take note of one of the bugs that was fixed that requires modification of the script in the Script Editor. In any event, enjoy this build, and please let me know either on the list or privately of any issues you run into or suggestions you may have. Thanks! Ken ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
New Variable Watcher v14 Is Available
I have uploaded a new version of the Variable Watcher to the MC_IDE user group on Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE), that includes the following changes: - Fixed bug where attempting to step over a line where the linedelimiter was changed to something else would cause a script error. - Added RIP properties to the VW. - Fixed bug where arrays passed as parameters to a handler wouldn't show their values properly. - Fixed bug where arrays passed as parameters to a handler would display twice, once as a "parameter" and once as a "local variable". Instructions for installing the VW into your current copy of MetaCard is included (as always). (Klaus, if you could put this into your current build for the MC IDE that would be great.) Enjoy, and let me know if you find any other bugs or would like any features added to the VW... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MetaCard IDE
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:39:10 +0200, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > Because you mentioned carbon, I assume you're trying to do this on > Mac OS X. Transforming Rev into Metacard can be tricky, that's why > there's not one, but two stacks to do it somewhat automatically. > > One is by Landman Gay, and can be found under this url: > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/ > The other was made by me: > http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/temp/create_mc_for_macosx.rev > > > I hope one of those does what you need In addition to this, there are textual instructions for how to take Rev 2.7 and later and manually create your own MetaCard: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/ Look for "Building MC 2.7.txt" Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Got VW Bugs/Suggestions?
Just wanted to let you all know that I've fixed a couple of Variable Watcher bugs that have been reported to me and will be ready to release a new VW soon (I'm thinking end of this coming week). But this is your opportunity to let me know if you have any bugs you've run into in the VW that you'd like fixed, or suggestions for enhancements to the VW, and I'll see if I can work 'em in. You can either post back to the MC list, or email me privately. Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: return in field activates default button
On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:48:52 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: >> Anyway, at least it's been found. Klaus do you want to do the honors >> and log the bug? Or would you like me to do that? > > Yes, please, I'm just too humble ;-) Actually it turns out that there are other times when the defaultButton doesn't return the proper data, and was already bugged as Bug #5185 by Mark Schonewille, and acknowledged by Oliver Kenyon. So it's on the list... :-) In the meantime, here's the code I've used and it seems to be OK so far - perhaps it needs to be adjusted for inclusion in the MC IDE: function doClick switch case word 1 of the name of the target is "button" and the style of the target is not "menu" and not the autoArm of the target click at the loc of the target break case the defaultButton of this card is not empty if (the vScrollbar of the target is true) or (the formattedHeight of the target < the height of the target) then return false else click at the loc of the defaultButton of this card end if break default return false end switch return true end doClick Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: return in field activates default button
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:54:29 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Ken, > >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:31:47 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: >> >>> Recipe: >>> 1. Create a new stack >>> 2. Add a field (with NO script of any kind!) >>> 3. Add a "default" button with script: >>> on mouseup >>> close this stack >>> end mouseup >>> 4. Write a line in the field and then hit return to create a new line >>> in the field >>> 5. Boom, the button gets triggered somehow and the window closes >>> 6. Big fun! You're licked, if you did not save before ;-) >> >> Doesn't happen to me, Klaus... and I've put in a breakpoint before the >> "close this stack" and checked all the front scripts and it just works >> properly. >> >> MC IDE 2.8.2, Engine 2.8.1 build 471. > > thanks for testing. > > Damn, but this happens to me from time to time and I am NOT dreaming ;-) No you're right, Klaus, because it just happened to me. I traced it to the MetaCard Menu Bar that was inserted as a library. There are traps there for returnInField and enterInField which checks a doClick() function that checks for the defaultButton: function doClick switch case word 1 of the name of the target is "button" and the style of the target is not "menu" and not the autoArm of the target click at the loc of the target break case the defaultButton of this card is not empty click at the loc of the defaultButton of this card break default return false end switch return true end doClick I also found out why it had previously not happened to me - for some reason, in order for "the defaultbutton of this cd" to return a non-empty value, the button that has its default property set to true must be in a group (it doesn't have to have the backgroundBehaviour turned on). I'm assuming that when you ran into this problem, your default button was in a group, right? This is a bug, pure and simple. Now whether it's a *functional* bug (i.e. "the defaultbutton of this cd" should return a value even if the default button is not in a group as the docs state), or whether it's a *documentation* bug (where they should explain that the button must be in a group for it to register), is anyone's guess. Personally I think it's a functional bug, but I would also like the mctools changed so that it doesn't automatically trigger the button on returnInField if the field is supposed to accommodate multiple lines of text (perhaps something related to whether the vScrollbar is shown, or if not if the formattedHeight is less than the height of the field, etc.). Anyway, at least it's been found. Klaus do you want to do the honors and log the bug? Or would you like me to do that? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: return in field activates default button
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:31:47 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: > Recipe: > 1. Create a new stack > 2. Add a field (with NO script of any kind!) > 3. Add a "default" button with script: > on mouseup > close this stack > end mouseup > 4. Write a line in the field and then hit return to create a new line > in the field > 5. Boom, the button gets triggered somehow and the window closes > 6. Big fun! You're licked, if you did not save before ;-) Doesn't happen to me, Klaus... and I've put in a breakpoint before the "close this stack" and checked all the front scripts and it just works properly. MC IDE 2.8.2, Engine 2.8.1 build 471. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Automated setup file uploaded
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:23:26 +0100, David Bovill wrote: > How about what the marketing people would say - give on a ".mc" > extension and colour it yellow or soemthing and the other one a > ".rev" extension and colour it blue? > > Talking of which - how do you tell which environment you are in? You ask for the revAppVersion() ... if it comes back as zero, you're in MC, if it's not zero, you're in Rev. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Plugins
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:01:52 +0100, David Bovill wrote: > So the question is - is it a good idea to have plugin compatability > and if so these messages should be added to the front script of the MC > IDE. But maybe there is a more minimal way? > > I guess there could be a "revMessages" plugin - that did this on > startup - still I'd vote for adding it to the IDE to encourage the > development of plugins by not putting more incompatibilities than > there need to be in the way? I think the plugin's a good idea personally - I never liked the idea of "mirrored" messages (why not send "closeStack" to a plugin instead of "revCloseStack"?) anyway. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Answer and Ask Dialogues
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:09:13 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: >> Does anyone know where RunRev stores the stackfile associations >> (which stack) - I think there is no way of finding out other than >> searching each stack. > > In "the stackfiles of stack home" Also keep in mind that this is in Rev only; in MC this is empty. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Answer and Ask Dialogues
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 14:03:03 +0200, Klaus Major wrote: >> Can't we just switch between the two - toggling library scripts >> In fact taking that to an extreme - what would it take to make a >> plugin that closed down the Rev IDe and launched the MC IDE, and >> vice versa? Richard has been working on this - it's called FlipsIDE - but ran into issues that Rev had to address (IIRC). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Automated setup file uploaded
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 21:23:50 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I've just uploaded my version of the MetaCard Setup stack to the > MC_IDE area on Yahoo Groups: > > <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MC_IDE/files/> That's great, Jacque! This is something we've needed for a while now, and I'm glad you took it on. As you know, I tested an earlier version of the MC Setup stack, and it worked great, so I'm glad to have a "release" copy... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: IsAstack ( )
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 12:45:04 +0100, David Bovill wrote: > On 02/07/07, Brian Yennie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Reading from a file should be perfectly safe even if it is in use - >> writing is the dangerous one. > > True - but I see no advantage over using the built in exists() > function and removing the stack from memory afterwards - it is not > subject to file format changes, detects if a stack is corrupt and I > doubt is any slower? Just curious - does it not cause the problem Hugh first identified? That is, if you already have a stack that's open called "MyStack" and you use exists() on another stack file on disk whose mainstack is also called "MyStack", does it not cause problems with the shared stack name space? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] RevZilla 2.1.1 Is Now Available
A maintentance release of RevZilla is now available for download. Version 2.1.1 provides the following features/fixes: - Fixed bug where old data was left in the My Bugs tab if you didn't have the "Automatically get my bugs when card opens" option turned on. Tabs now reset to empty when you close RevZilla. - Fixed bug where the email and password were not being urlencoded first before checking to see if the person entered a valid login. This would cause users with special characters in their passwords to fail login even though it worked at the Bugzilla site. - Fixed bug in the Show Bug palette where comments on bugs that were not displaying in sequence on the Runtime Revolution Quality web site would not be displayed properly. (Thanks to Mark Talluto for identifying this bug.) - Fixed bug where submitting changes on a bug that had previously had a target milestone set by Runtime Revolution that was not "---" would generate a "not allowed" error. - Fixed bug where submitting a bug as a duplicate as another bug would generate a RevZilla error. (Thanks to Stephen Barncard for running into this one.) - Fixed bug where closed bugs were never appearing when you chose Show All of My Bugs because of a change to the html at the Runtime Revolution Quality web site. (Thanks to Mark Wieder for both locating this bug and providing the fix.) - Fixed bug where you were unable to select text in the Description field on the Show Bug palette, preventing you from being able to copy text from that field. - Added a "Copy All" button in the Show Bug palette which will copy the complete text in the Description field to the clipboard. You can get this from RevOnline, RevNet, or from the RevZilla web page: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: private token and indenting
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:42:45 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote: > MetaCard's indenting algorithm doesn't know what to do with "command" > or "private". > > Anyone here want to tackle updating that? > > If not I'll see when I can get to it Richard, I think that's only in the 4W Script Editor in Devolution; the MC script editor indents properly like Klaus said. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.2.10 Update
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:12:56 -0500, Ken Ray wrote: > Hugh - I just noticed that the Font Fixer and STS Entry Count plugins > are in the Plugins folder - perhaps they should be removed for next > release? (At least the STS Entry Count one, since it only affects me). Whoops! Sorry about that - should have been offlist to Hugh... (There's nothing to see here move along... ;-) ) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] Scripter's Scrapbook 5.2.10 Update
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:33:57 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > www.FlexibleLearning.com/ssbk > or www.ssBk.co.uk > > > UPDATE AVAILABLE > Thanks to feedback and feature requests, a major incremental update > has been > uploaded and is now available. The following are some of the main > improvements. For full release notes including all bugfixes see > http://www.flexiblelearning.com/ssbk/ReadMe.html. Hugh - I just noticed that the Font Fixer and STS Entry Count plugins are in the Plugins folder - perhaps they should be removed for next release? (At least the STS Entry Count one, since it only affects me). Just a thought... Ken ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: whole(string) is in a fld
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:26:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've returned to this little conundrum many times over the years but have
> yet to solve it.
>
> Any offers?
How about:
put wholeWordMatch("This is a test",long id of fld 1)
function wholeWordMatch pFindText,pFldRef
find whole pFindText in pFldRef
put the result into tResult
find empty
return (tResult <> "not found")
end wholeWordMatch
:-)
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Re: Updating the mcTranscriptDict stack
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 15:55:56 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote: > I'll update the mcTranscriptDict stack to work with the new "clump" > doc format unless anyone has objections. I've been looking at the > existing import script and it requires only a few tweaks to work. > Shouldn't take long. Sounds good to me, Jacque... thanks for taking this on! :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [ANN] automatic metacard IDE creation tool
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:17:45 +0200, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > i wanted to write a tutorial for people to follow, when they do not > have any metacard installed yet, but want to check it out. In my > opinion, the process would be too complex to follow, and no one is > gonna read a tutorial anyway. > Therefore I made a stack that does it mostly automatic: > > http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/temp/create_mc_for_macosx.rev Nice, Bjornke! Been needing something like that for a while... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: MetaCard IDE
On Sat, 9 Jun 2007 10:56:31 +0100, David Bovill wrote: > Its been a while since I have been on this list! Welcome back, David! > At Richards prompting I have just downloaded and tried out the > Metacard IDE - and I must say the interface has changed :) Which > prompts me to ask a couple of questions: > 1. Is there is a change list - or anything like that? > 2. What are the priorities for features - fixes? > 3. Does anyone understand the IDE in detail - the way the script > editor links to the debugger for instance Well, different people have kind of taken "ownership" of different parts of the IDE; I, for example, have been doing most of the recent work on the Variable Watcher, so I'm pretty familiar with the interaction of the script editor and debugger. However there are areas of the environment (standalone building, etc.) with which I am completely *unfamiliar*. I think you'll need to poke the list when you're ready to look at a particular area and ask if anyone can help you. > From my point of view - I'd want to fix the way in which the answer > dialogues clash when loaded with the RunRev IDE - I guess that would > require a dialogue manager? Or is there a way to do it already so you > can switch between IDE's Well, the answer dialogs clash because in MC you need to first add the answer dialogs to your stack (using Resource Mover) before you build a standalone as the standalone builder only currently attaches the engine. The Rev implementation builds all these resources into your stack at standalone building time. The easiest way to remove the clash is to rename the stacks before you go to Rev, but the *best* solution would be to have the MC standalone builder modified to build in these resources only when you're building a standalone so they wouldn't need to exist inside your stacks at all. Richard has a standalone builder shell he's been working on, so perhaps he's the best person to ask about this. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: BvG Docu and home stack in Metacard
On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 11:56:46 +0200, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > I fainthly remember I need another license number from rev, gonna > mail support for that... Good question... Richard and I discovered a few nights ago that if you move the 'mchome.mc' and 'mctools.mc' stacks into the directory where the Revolution 2.8.1 application exists. The next time you launch "Rev", it will open the MetaCard IDE. > I also browsed the files in the metacard yahoo group, but couldn't > find the metacard ide, only the mctools.mc stack. Where do I get the > full MC IDE from? Good point! Klaus, I think you should post the full set (mctools, mchome, and mchelp) with each new IDE build even though the home and help don't change (at least not yet). Could you do that for the current IDE so that Bjornke can download a full build? Thanks, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: BvG Docu and home stack in Metacard
> I'd be really glad if you guys could tell me what needs fixing for it > to work properly with the Metacard IDE. Well, I took a quick look today and basically it boils down to what you take advantage of from the Rev environment by default (inherited fonts, the fact that the XML external is automatically loaded, etc. To make it "MC-compatible", I'd do three things: 1) When your stack opens, check the revAppVersion() - if it comes back as "0", you're running in MetaCard. 2) Explicitly define the fonts, sizes, styles etc of all your fields and buttons, or define it from your stack and have the objects inherit it 3) Add a substack to your main stack window called something like "BVGExternals" and a custom property to your main stack window to hold a path to the revXML external. When you launch check to see if you're in MC. If you are, check the custom property to see if it has a value. If it doesn't, ask the user to locate the revXML external and store the path in the custom property. If it *does* have a value, verify there's a file at that path. Once you're sure you have the external available, dynamically "set the externals" of stack "BVGExternals" to the revXML external path, and then bring the BVGExternals stack into use with "start using stack 'BVGExternals'". This will load the revXML external on the fly and make it available to your main stack window. After that, the rest *should* work... BTW: Thanks for doing this! I think this will add great benefit to the MC IDE! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Call by reference array variables
On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:37:48 -0400, Tim Bleiler wrote: > Hi, > > My thanks to everyone who helps maintain the Metacard IDE. I was > wondering if anyone knows how to fix the variable watcher so that it > shows the value of a call by reference variable when that variable is > an array. I've never studied the variable watcher code so I don't > want to tinker with it if it's a known issue someone else is working > on. Thanks for reporting that Tim, I did the last round of VW changes, so I'm more familiar with this than most. I'll look at it and see what I can turn up. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Externals on Windows
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:19:27 -0400, Ray Horsley wrote: > Greetings, > > > You few weeks ago some guy son the list helped me with the relatively > new idea (to me) of externals. I've got it working fine on the Mac, > but now I'm trying to do the same on a Windows machine and getting > poor results. I've simply moved the RevXml.Bundle which came on my > Mac installment of Revolution over to my Windows machine. Any ideas > why this is not working? Bundles are Mac-only... you need to move the 'revxml.dll' not 'revxml.bundle' file over to Windows, and then amend your "externals" property in your stack accordingly. Something like : set the externals of this stack to "revXML.bundle" & cr & "revXML.dll" (or the equivalent; don't know if you provided paths or not in 'the externals'...) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Color of text when it's hilited
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:42:39 -0400, Ray Horsley wrote:
> One of the longest standing thorns in my side is developing on the
> Mac, then viewing the app on Windows and getting reminded that
> Metacard has the nasty habit of changing the color of text, when it's
> hilited, to something really light. Text is usually black so it
> makes sense to set the highlight color of the background block
> surrounding the text when it's hilited to something light like a
> light blue so the black text itself can still be red when it's
> hilited against the light blue background. Looks great on a Mac.
> Move it to Windows, highlight your text, and the color of the text
> itself also changes to some other color I never specified, usually
> something light, so you lose your contrast and can't read the text.
>
> Any ideas on how to put this to bed once and for all?
Well, you could try your own custom hiliting ("set the backColor of
to "), but it would be a pain to manage. Sounds like you
should log it as a bug (if it isn't already).
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Re: Variable Watcher
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 16:17:53 -0500, Ken Ray wrote: > But the current one (the one that was in the b12 IDE) says: > > 2.6.6v10 > 20061004 Whoops! I just noticed that although the most current one says 2.6.6v10, a few changes were made after 10/04/2006 and I forgot to revise the version number. It really should say: 2.6.6v12 20061018 ... and it *will*, when I sent Klaus the latest one for inclusion. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Variable Watcher
On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 13:31:44 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote: > The latest variable watcher seems to have lost the ability to update > its values when not in debugging mode. The version before this one > updated if the command key was held down while passing over the > panes. Was this capability removed, or did the wrong VW get included? > I really need this right now, I'm working on a conversion that has > lots of globals and I need to monitor their values even when I'm not > debugging. You're right, Jacque the old one is in the current 2.7.2 IDE... To check you can say: put the uVersion of stack "Variable Watcher" When I do this in the current IDE, I get: 2.6.6v9 20051122 But the current one (the one that was in the b12 IDE) says: 2.6.6v10 20061004 I'll send you the latest version offlist so you can swap the VWs yourself. Klaus, if you don't have a copy handy, let me know and I'll send it to you... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: [SPAM] Re: Screen Resolution
On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:33:07 -0400, Ray Horsley wrote:
> Ken, this is on Mac OSX and Windows (no Linux).
OK, for OS X you can download and implement Jon's Commands X with
AppleScript (http://www.seanet.com/~jonpugh/). He has an AppleScript
command called "screen list" that lets you get data on one or more
screens, and "set screens to" to change them. Or you can use the
'cscreen' command line application, although the original developer has
gone "off the grid" and his site is nowhere to be found (but you might
be able to scare it up with a web search).
For Windows, you can use one of these three third-party command line
executables ("MultiRes", "Resolution Changer", or "VidRes"):
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/files/multires.exe
http://www.myitforum.com/inc/upload/1365Vidchng.zip
http://www.jddesign.co.uk/
HTH,
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Re: Screen Resolution
On Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:54:10 -0400, Ray Horsley wrote: > Anybody have a way to present users with available screen resolutions > and then get the current resolution, change switch to the one > chosen? I'm concerned many of my school teacher end users aren't > familiar with how to do this using their system software so it might > be nice to offer them the option of doing this from my standalone, > then returning it to their previous setting on quitting. Is this on Macs, PCs, Linux... all of the above? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] STS XML Library 2.0.4 Released
A minor upgrade to the STS XML Library (2.0.4) was released today that fixed a few bugs, including a defect in the stsXML_DeleteNode command that would cause problems when deleting the last child node of a parent node. Additionally, a new version of the RSS Plugin (1.0.2) that fixed a few bugs related to the use of the Workshop utility inside the RSS Plugin user interface is also available. For more information, see: http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States. Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'. To see what I mean, make sure you have "Automatically adjust clock for Daylight Savings Time" turned on in your Date/Time prefs, launch Rev (or MC) under at least XP Pro or Vista Home Premium (the two systems I tested), and type: put the time into x;convert x to long time;put x You should see that the time you get back is one more hour ahead of your current time. So if it is currently 2:05 PM without the DST adjustment, and you have the checkbox checked, Windows will show that it is 3:05 PM (correct). But if you run the code above, x will be "4:05:00 PM". I can only assume that when Rev asks the OS for the time it gets two factors the non-adjusted time, and a flag whether DST is currently applied. In the past, Windows would have handed over "2:05" and "True" (in the example above), and Rev would have adjusted the time accordingly. But the latest Windows XP/Vista DST patch seems to be handing over the ADJUSTED time, and the flag, so it would hand over "3:05" and "True", so Rev is over-adjusting by another hour. There is no easy scripted fix other than finding every location where 'convert' is used and parsing strings into chunks yechh! I have logged this into Bugzilla as bug #4526. This is a MAJOR BLOCKER problem and is going to hit a LOT of people, so forwarned is forearmed... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: IDE versions
On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:34:04 -0600, Ken Ray wrote: > On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:08:44 +0100, Robert Brenstein wrote: > >> What the versions in the file archive in Yahoo referring to? Engine >> or Revolution distro? >> >> I fetched MC IDE from folder labelled "Older versions of the IDE for >> 2.6.x" and tried using it with engine 2.6.1 but got several errors >> when simply opening the IDE, which makes be think that this IDE is >> for engine 2.5.x. > > Well, they're *supposed* to be related to the IDE version... if it's > erroring out for you, then you got a bad IDE. :-) Sorry - I meant the *engine* version... If the IDE is for 2.6.x then it's MC Engine 2.6.x... Sorry for the confusion, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: IDE versions
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:08:44 +0100, Robert Brenstein wrote: > What the versions in the file archive in Yahoo referring to? Engine > or Revolution distro? > > I fetched MC IDE from folder labelled "Older versions of the IDE for > 2.6.x" and tried using it with engine 2.6.1 but got several errors > when simply opening the IDE, which makes be think that this IDE is > for engine 2.5.x. Well, they're *supposed* to be related to the IDE version... if it's erroring out for you, then you got a bad IDE. :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
ANN: StackRunner 1.6 Now Available
Just a quick note to let you know that a new version of StackRunner was released today. Version 1.6 is built on Revolution 2.8.0 and provides Universal Binary, PowerPC Only, Intel Only, and Windows builds. For more information, visit the StackRunner web page: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Thanks! (Now, on to finish RevZilla... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: ANN: Vista "Gotchas" You Should Know About
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:30:37 -0800, Richard Gaskin wrote: > J. Landman Gay wrote: >> For my apps, this is the relevant piece: >> >> > # Write per-user data to the user profile (%APPDATA%). >> > # Write per-machine data to users\all users\application data\... >> (%ALLUSERSPROFILE%). >> >> So apparently you're right and we can use AppData. > > Just to be clear for us slow-pokes, this works while logged in under > a non-admin account? Yes, but just keep in mind that if you want your users to be able to have easy access to writeable data, that AppData is not the place to put it (since that folder is hidden). But for configuration files you want to read/write to that the user won't be getting at themselves, AppData is the place to put it. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: ANN: Vista "Gotchas" You Should Know About
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:40:43 -0600, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Some of the info I found suggested these last two were only writable > at installation, and after that were read-only. Is that true? One > would think the AppData folders would be the natural place to put > files, but someone was commenting they had to use Documents because > AppData couldn't be written to. Well, here's the official word from Microsoft from their page "Developer Best Practices and Guidelines for Applications in a Least Privileged Environment" (http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa480150.aspx) : "Applications should be installed in the \Programs files\ directory. Per-user configuration information should be stored in the \Users\(username)\AppData directory. User data, templates, and application-created files all have proper locations in the \Users\(username) subdirectories. Although this was not enforced in the past, since many users would run programs with full administrative privileges, applications that do not place information in the correct location are likely to fail. This is especially true when Virtualization is turned off." This is #3 in the section "Designing Applications for Windows Vista" - it's worthy of a good read. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: ANN: Vista "Gotchas" You Should Know About
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 19:52:59 -0500, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote: > > On Feb 23, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Ken Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Hey everyone - I've been working with the release of Vista (Home >> Premium Edition) since its release and just discovered something you >> may or may not be aware of that you REALLY need to be aware of IF: > > Ken, thanks for this info. Any solutions so far? > I don't have Vista installed yet to look, may be you know if there is > some "designated" SpecialFolderPath accessible folder on Vista for > files / stacks that you need to write back without triggering > "VirtualStore", even if "Account Control" is turned "On" ? Well, so far what's been suggested so far is either: CSIDL_COMMON_DOCUMENTS (specialFolderPath(46)) C:/Users/Public/Documents or CSIDL_PERSONAL (specialFolderPath(5)) C:/Users/Ken/Documents depending on whether you want it available to everyone on the machine, or just the logged-in user. This is a visible place that normal users can get to if they need to (perhaps to toss out a preference file to start the app up with defaults). If you don't want people to be able to get to it easily, but still have it be a writeable area, you can use either: CSIDL_COMMON_APPDATA (specialFolderPath(35)) C:/ProgramData or CSIDL_LOCAL_APPDATA (specialFolderPath(28)) C:/Users/Ken/AppData/Local once again depending on whether you want it for everyone or just the logged in user. These folders are writeable, but are kept hidden, so only people "in the know" will be able to get to files in those folders. Ken ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
ANN: Vista "Gotchas" You Should Know About
Hey everyone - I've been working with the release of Vista (Home Premium Edition) since its release and just discovered something you may or may not be aware of that you REALLY need to be aware of IF: - You install your program to the Program Files folder - You leave the User Account Control turned on (as it shipped) - You have one or more files you need to write data back to (like an .ini or .cfg file, or even a Rev or MC stack that you change data in and save) that is in the same folder as your program (or a subfolder) Windows Vista, in attempting to be as secure as possible, and in an attempt to support "legacy" applications that have .INI files in the same location as the program, when it detects that you are attempting to write back to a file in a protected area (like Program Files), will instead write the changed data to a NEW location called the "VirtualStore", and from that point on, will always READ AND WRITE to the file in the VirtualStore. So for example, suppose you installed your app as a stub Rev standalone, with a main stack file that is read, can be changed, and resaved. So your initial installation would put it here: C:\Program Files\YourApp\YourApp.exe C:\Program Files\YourApp\main.rev Installation goes fine, and you launch 'YourApp.exe', which in turn opens 'main.rev' - you enter some data into a field on the main stack and click a button which saves 'main.rev' back to the hard drive. What really happens is this: 1) Vista recognizes you're attempting to write the 'main.rev' file back to a protected area (Program Files) 2) Vista creates a folder at in the VirtualStore and writes the updated 'main.rev' stack to this path (assumes a user name of "Ken"): C:\Users\Ken\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\YourApp\main.rev This is called "virtualizing" the file. You then quit YourApp, and relaunch it. YourApp launches, and then goes to open 'main.rev'. Here's what REALLY happens: 1) Vista recognizes that you're attempting to open a file that it has "virtualized" into the VirtualStore 2) Instead of opening the file from C:\Program Files\YourApp, it instead opens the 'main.rev' that is in the VirtualStore. 3) If you make changes to the stack, it saves it back to the VirtualStore. This doesn't sound TOO bad, but here's where the 'gotchas' come in: GOTCHA #1: If you leave Account Control on, but decide at some point you want to start over from scratch or uninstall and reinstall (perhaps an upgrade), if you replace your app in C:\Program Files\YourApp with a new version (even one that has been upgraded or has significant changes), the next time the app is launched it will open up the 'main.rev' from the VirtualStore and the user will not only NOT see a brand new app, but it will appear as if any upgrades that had been made are gone. SOLUTION: To truly uninstall, you need to make sure you delete your app from the VirtualStore as well. GOTCHA #2: If you have opened a stack file from the VirtualStore as a result of attempting to open it from a protected folder (like Program Files), if you ask for 'the filename of this stack', it will NOT give you the path to the VirtualStore version of the stack, but will instead return the path to the original location in Program Files. So there is not (AFAIK) any way for a stack that is open to know if it has been virtualized or not. SOLUTION: None that I know of. GOTCHA #3: If the user turns off User Account Control, the next time YourApp is launched, it will NOT get the file from the VirtualStore, and will instead open the file from Program Files. It will appear like all the data that had been entered is deleted (resulting in frightened calls to Tech Support). SOLUTION: In this instance, the "old" file still remains in the VirtualStore, so it can be moved back into Program Files to restore the data. Note that if you turn off User Account Control at the get-go, you experience none of these problems - but this is (a) not recommended by Microsoft, and (b) something that must be manually done since Vista ships with it turned on by default. And I'm sure IT departments won't be happy if you request that they turn it off so your program can work right... :-) I'm sure there are more gotchas in Vista, but this was a major one that I thought the community should know about. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] RevZilla Update In Progress
As most of you are aware, RunRev has modified the current Bugzilla system and so RevZilla doesn't work right now. This announcement is to let you all know that I'm working on updating RevZilla to work with the new system, and should have a new version by January 2. If I can get it to you earlier, I will, but given the holiday period I am hoping that few people (either developer or RunRev themselves) will want to be dealing with bugs anyway. :-) I'll notify the lists when a new version is available... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: image compression default
On 11/29/06 2:36 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken Ray wrote: >> So as Jan pointed out, the group is getting the "startup" message (since >> it's backgroundBehavior is true) and setting the paintCompression to "png". > > Does it make any other changes to engine defaults beyond the > paintCompression? Nope... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: image compression default
On 11/28/06 12:04 PM, "Jan Schenkel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doesn't the rev standalone builder add a background
> group to the first card of your mainstack?
> If my memory isn't playing tricks on me, then this bg
> group gets the 'startUp' message first, loads the
> 'revLibrary' stack so all the externalPackages are
> available, and calls 'revLoadLibraries' to wrap things
> up before the first card gets the message.
Yes, exactly. I did some investigating and here's what I found when I built
a stack with one button and turned off everything I could find in the
Standalone Settings and built a standalone:
1) Rev added one group object ("revLibraries") that contains one button
("revCommon") to my stack.
2) The "revLibraries" group object has its backgoundBehavior turned on, and
traps the preOpenBackground, startup, preOpenStack, and preOpenCard
handlers.
3) All of them will attempt to execute "revLoadLibraries" (unless it has
already been executed), which in turn sets the paintCompression to "png",
and inserts the script of the button "revCommon" into the back.
4) This "revLoadLibraries" script is also responsible for loading other
scripts (revTable, revDatabase) into the front, as well as opening and using
the stack "revExternalLibrary", if they exist. It will also load any stacks
contained in "the cScriptLibraries of me" as a library if there are any.
So as Jan pointed out, the group is getting the "startup" message (since
it's backgroundBehavior is true) and setting the paintCompression to "png".
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[ANN] RevZilla 2.0.8 Now Available
Hey everyone! A new version of RevZilla is available that fixes a couple of bugs: - Users who had non-alphanumeric characters in their user name or password would get a login failure notification - The 'check for updates' feature had a bug in it where it was pointing to an old server. I've uploaded it to all the normal places: RevNet Under Stacks/Utilities RevOnline Under username 'kray', or category "Utilities" Web Site http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Apple events and 2.7
On 11/15/06 7:27 AM, "Wil Dijkstra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Apple events do not seem to work well with version 2.7. I have created a test
> stack, with just a field called "myfld". The stack script looks like:
>
> on appleEvent eClass, eID
> put eClass & cr into fld "myFld"
> put eID & cr into fld "myFld"
> end appleEvent
>
> If compiled with version 2.6, eClass and eID give correct results (e.g. "oapp"
> if the application is opened). If compiled with version 2.7 (2.7.3) you get
> wrong characters (for example something like "
Yeah, Wil... AppleEvents got really screwed up in the 2.7.x builds: in 2.7.2
they were backwards ("aevtoapp" became "tveappao"); in 2.7.3 they were
unusable (as you've found out). This was finally fixed in 2.7.4.
So the bottom line is, upgrade to 2.7.4 to get the AppleEvents back that you
know and love.
;-)
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Re: (Not) deleting identical substacks - continued
On 11/13/06 5:02 AM, "Wilhelm Sanke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question: Should we try to remove the ambiguity of the "delete" button > in stack "stack components" or is the problem perhaps of such a > special and rare kind that is not worth spending any effort to fix it? IMHO, if it is a quick fix, then go ahead and do it... otherwise I think it's not worth the effort. Just my 2 cents, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
[ANN] STSTray 2.0 Released! (took me long enough... :-)
Sons of Thunder Software is proud to announce that the long long-awaited upgrade to the STSTray Windows system tray utility program has been released. Version 2.0 has been almost completely rewritten, but still includes its ease of use and Transcript-like programming language TrayScript. It includes a host of new features: - The ability to navigate to any web site - You can download files from the web - The ability to automatically check for updates over the web BIG FEATURE! - You can set timers to have things happen repeatedly or at a specific time - You can install new handlers on the fly! - There are more events to trap, so there's more control and flexibility and more! For a demo and more information about this neat little utility, please visit the STSTray web page: http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/ststray/ststray.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: NewObject ids (was: PlugIn Immunity)
On 10/18/06 1:13 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The 'clone' command places the id of the newly created object in 'it'... I > am looking for a way of identifying this information for a cloned object > inside > a 'newField[btn,sb,player etc]' handler. The only solution I can think of > is to use a global, set in the clone command itself. > > Alternatives anyone? How about getting the long id of the "last field" - that should be the field object that was just created... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Plugin Immunity
On 10/15/06 12:38 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Is there a way to stop Rev being able to create new controls in a >>> stack that is designed to work as a Rev plugin? > >> maybe setting the "cantmodify" to true does work for you? > > Not an option I'm afraid, Klaus. The plugin stack is designed to be > content-modifiable. The stoic insistence by Rev's tools palette that any > non-cantModify stack is fair game with no lockout option (e.g. a revBlessed > property > that, if set to true, means the tools palette will not touch it) verges on > the > insane, or inane, or inept, or an IDE bug, or to charitable an IDE oversight. Name your stack file starting with "rev" and it should be ignored. I looked at the code in Rev that handles this, and the key function is 'revFilterStacksList' (found in the 'revCommon' backscript) that will remove stacks from a list if they meet certain criteria. I tried with the revExample stack, and you can't drop objects on top of it from the tool palette (you get a beep). Try that, Hugh... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Controlling PDFs in Player Object on Mac
On 10/14/06 9:56 AM, "David Epstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In case anyone else wonders about this question, I have found a > solution by trial and error. This may not be the best way (and the > "play" command, according to the MC help, should be replaced in future > development by the "start" command, although there is no mention of > "start step"), but it seems to work: > > on pdfToPage n -- show page n of the pdf in player 1 > put round(n) into n -- n as passed by scrollBarDrag doesn't seem to > -- always be an integer > put (n-1)*75 into t > set the playSelection of player 1 to true > set the startTime of player 1 to t > set the endTime of player 1 to t+1 > play step player 1 > end pdfToPage That's great, David! Cool tip... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: externals library
On 10/13/06 7:26 AM, "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Set the externals of a stack, and start using this stack will > immediately make these externals availbalbe to other stacks. This is the way I do it, and it works fine, but I'm using a *substack* of the mainstack (my "Home"). Basically, the main stack is gathering the list of externals from a folder, then setting the externals of the substack "Externals", and then I do a "start using" on the substack. This was suggested to me be Trevor, and it works like a charm. No need to open/set/save/close/reopen... :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
On 10/10/06 5:14 AM, "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > the new and fixed version of the IDE is now online. Oh, don't forget to download and copy in the latest Variable Watcher into the new IDE when you download it, otherwise you won't get the latest fixes to the VW. Thanks! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: Can't assign App and Doc icons building stand alone
On 10/10/06 5:14 AM, "Klaus Major" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > the new and fixed version of the IDE is now online. Thanks, Klaus! I also did a bit of cleanup on the site, so at the root level of Files is the only IDE you should download (2.7.1), all other IDEs are in the Archives folder. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
Re: New Variable Watcher
On 10/9/06 10:58 AM, "Ray Horsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm looking for the new Variable Watcher, clicking 'Files' after > logging in to Yahoo Groups, but somehow I'm missing it. Where is it? Whoops, sorry! It's in the "Extras" folder as "VariableWatcher11.zip". Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ metacard mailing list metacard@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/metacard
