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[meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Is Still Number One

2022-02-24 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

The number one seller, by far, at the latest Christie's auction was a 
NWA 5000 slice!


https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/nwa-5000-complete-slice-moon-20/142791?ldp_breadcrumb=back

There will be some forthcoming history in regards to NWA 5000 in the 
near future!


You can count on it!

Adam

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[meteorite-list] Update - TheMeteoriteSite.com

2021-10-22 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

This is a note to let you know that the domain, TheMeteoriteSite.com has 
been sold so I am no longer entertaining offers. The new owner also 
purchased the rights to the Northwest Africa 5000 website.  Please seek 
permission before linking other websites to this site and respect the 
copyrighted images and text.


I accepted the offer based on the professionalism, honesty and fairness 
this firm has demonstrated in the past. They reflect with great honor on 
the meteorite community!


Kind Regards,

Adam Hupe
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[meteorite-list] Ad- Domain name for sale - TheMeteoriteSite.com

2021-10-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

It has been some time since I posted.

I will be entertaining offers on the domain name, "TheMeteoriteSite.com" 
until October 31st.  This is a great name for meteorite dealers or 
serious collectors.


I no longer deal meteorites these days so now is the opportunity for 
someone who still does to pick up a great website name.


Please send reasonable offers so that I will not have to auction it off 
on GoDaddy after the 31st.


Kind Regards,

Adam Hupe




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Re: [meteorite-list] 2021 Tucson show!

2020-09-21 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


It will be interesting to see how the show goes.

I am ready for the show.  You can never be too careful.  I caught some 
nasty bug at the show in 2003 that hung on for a month and a half about 
the time SARS, another coronavirus, was going around. My friend, Steve 
who also attended the show, swore that we caught SARS.



http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/TucsonShowPrep.jpg

Do not freak out if you see one of these under your microscope:

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/PollenNotAVirus.jpg

I personally know of four people who contracted the nasty COVID-19 
Chinese virus and one failed to recover.  I live in a small town and our 
only grocery store was permanently closed down after being robbed by 
some thugs fleeing the virus from LA.  Now it requires a 30 to 40 mile 
round trip to Arizona to get supplies.


Enjoy the show but please take serious precautions.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Modern Burnishing

2020-08-15 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Coprolites Happen!

Very interesting piece. Somebody will have to have it. Perhaps it could
be put behind a dinosaur for display purposes.

Adam

On 8/14/2020 11:18 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
I hate it. Almost 100% made of glue is my guess. There’s no natural way
to make it look like a turf squeezed out of a tube.

Sent from Smallbiz Yahoo Mail for iPhone

On Friday, August 14, 2020, 10:32 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list
wrote:

I saw that too Paul. I think I saw it once before a while back,
being offered. I have never seen this shaping before either. Very
unusual, but I would guess it must be terrestrial weathering
influenced by some sort of internal structure...e.g. perhaps melt. I
took the phrase "modern burnishing" to be that it had been cleaned
in some way to remove calichebut a vague description.

Graham

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:42 AM Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

Want everyone's opinion / on this highly unusual morphology.
I don't doubt it is a real meteorite at all just that one side
looks altered
or is HUGELY UNIQUE
Christies is currently selling it and gives a cryptic
explanation for its
shape as "Modern burnishing"
What the hell does that mean exactly?
they also mention it could be naturally ventifacted.???

Either way I have never seen anything quite like it in the
meteorite world.

Anyone else have an explanation ... please chime in on this.

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-lunar-rare-meteorites/evoking-sculpture-ken-price-exotic-meteorite-morphology-nwa-13203-38/82821

Thanks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

2020-06-14 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Zuckerberg doesn't even use his own services and makes six million dollars a 
day gathering personal information on others.

I have never supported his crap and never will.

I leave it to my lovely wife who uses this service despite the pitfalls and is 
very careful about everything she posts not wanting to ruin her social profile.

Now back to removing a camera and microphone hidden in my brand new flat-screen 
even though doing so violates the warranty.  I do not want some idiot watching 
me while I am watching NASCAR.

Adam

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[meteorite-list] Test

2019-08-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Just seeing if I can still post.

Best Regards,

Adam
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[meteorite-list] AD - Professional Highland Park R3 Lapidary Saw For Sale

2019-01-11 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I am making another saw available for those who are interested in 
preparing their own material.  I am guessing that this saw weighs 
between 500 to 600 pounds so it would have to be picked up in Laughlin, 
Nevada, perhaps on your way to Quartzsite or Tucson for the shows. I 
will be happy to work with any shipping company you choose as well. I 
recently moved so I am making serious tools available one piece at a 
time starting with lapidary equipment which I no longer use.


I have a large US Made, Highland Park R3 lapidary saw available for 
those who are interested in owning the very best.  This saw was 
manufactured using welded steel plates, not flimsy sheet metal like 
modern saws. It has two massive bearings located on the outside of the 
saw with zerq fittings.  This is important for those who do not want to 
add additives to their coolant to preserve the bearings.  I have seen 
the bearings wear out on modern Chinese made saws in less than than a 
year while these bearings will last a lifetime.  It is a five speed saw 
with a precision worm drive and auto shutoff. It has dual carriage rails 
instead of a single rail which are all-too-common these days.  It 
currently has mounted on it, a near new 20" MK Diamond Products Gem King 
blade with only a single dressing cut of use on it.  I also have a 
well-used 20" blade that still has perhaps thousands of cuts left on it. 
 I also have a smaller 12" diamond blade with only a single cutting 
session on it.  I will include an end cut jig that has never been used 
as well.


Although this saw will never win a beauty contest, mechanically it is in 
excellent condition. There is no bearing run out, the carriage has 
absolutely no play whatsoever and it performs cuts flawlessly.  It is 
very quite, a testament to how well made it is.  As a matter of fact, 
the cuts are so smooth that I can polish out a single side of a large 
slab by hand in less than 10 minutes using diamond pads.  Even my 
massive Rogue hydraulic saw cannot perform smoother cuts. Another neat 
feature is that you can use nearly any sized blade you want with the 
proper arbor size since this saw is so precise and it has a catch tray. 
I ran the 12" blade once on some valuable material since the kerf was 
much less than with a massive blade. It is equipped with the optional 
Plexiglass cover which has a crack across the top from shipping.  I 
performed a crude repair on it thinking I would replace the cracked 
plexiglass sheet piece later but never got around to it. This in no way 
affects its performance.


The last used saw like this I saw on the market sold for over $2,000.00 
and it was missing the cover altogether, had no blades, was rusty and 
stored outside.  Highland Park saws are the best and are known to hold 
their value.  I am asking $2,500.00 for this one; A very reasonable 
price considering professionals will rarely part with one.


Links to saw images:

The Saw:

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-a.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-b.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-c.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-d.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-e.jpg

Crack in cover:

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-f.jpg

Spare 12 and 20 inch blades:

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-g.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-h.jpg

End-cut Jig:

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-i.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/HighlandParkSaw/Saw-j.jpg


Thank you for looking,

Kind Regards,

Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2018-06-28 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


I only trust MetSoc recognized laboratories and peer-reviewed papers.

I have an unconfirmed and undocumented 41.8 gram "Black Beauty" if 
anybody is interested. It is yours for a heavily discounted price of 
only $80,000.00.  You only have to supply an 8.36 gram type specimen and 
wait if you want to make it official or you can simply take the Moroccan 
dealer's word for it.








On 6/27/2018 10:34 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

I’d trust Jason’s opinion of a specimen over 99% of the collecting and selling 
population.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295




On 6/25/18 at 9:30 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


Spoken by a true pioneer in self-pairing and piggy-backing,
Anybody for any self-paired and piggy-backed Black Beauty?



On 6/25/2018 1:40 AM, Jason Utas via Meteorite-list wrote:

Please note that the slice pictured is NWA 3200, not NWA 860. Someone made a 
mistake and “self-paired” two completely different iron meteorites.

Jason

On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 1:00 AM Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 860

Contributed by: Bernd Pauli

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/24/2018[http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/24/2018]
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2018-06-27 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


  
  
Spoken by a true pioneer in self-pairing and piggy-backing,
Anybody for any self-paired and piggy-backed Black Beauty?






On 6/25/2018 1:40 AM, Jason Utas via
  Meteorite-list wrote:


  
Please note that the slice pictured is NWA 3200,
  not NWA 860. Someone made a mistake and “self-paired” two
  completely different iron meteorites. 
  
  
  
  Jason
  
  
  

  On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 1:00 AM Paul Swartz via
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  Today's
Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 860

Contributed by: Bernd Pauli

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=06/24/2018
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Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens

2018-03-18 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Imagine the outrage if dealers borrowed (stole) NGC or PCGS numbers for 
coins that another dealer had graded?  Or stole BGS or PSA numbers to 
describe just any old rare Baseball Cards or simply "borrowed" GIA 
certification report numbers for Diamonds?   They would be charged with 
fraud.


Numbers and nomenclature assigned to NWA meteorites apply only to the 
stones that were submitted and formally studied at the time of 
classification.  These are basically laboratory sample numbers and do 
not apply to subsequently found stones or batches.  Numbers and Total 
Known Weights are officially assigned for a reason; mainly so 
laboratories and research scientists know for sure what material they 
are working with. Collectors see these numbers as some form of 
protection believing that if they have a number assignment, they were 
studied by a qualified research scientist, not some poser. Self-paired 
stones have never been examined by a qualified scientists and were never 
peer-reviewed thus they do not deserve to piggy-back official numbers.


Lets take a sector from the collectables market that is performing well 
like 1960s era muscle cars for instance. Try entering a muscle car into 
an auction, claiming it is original, and see what happens when the 
numbers are found not to match?  You will never be asked to consign 
another car again and you will be blacklisted.


Collectors do care about legitimate number assignments and real TKWs so 
should never settle for self-paired, undocumented stones placed on the 
market.


Besides all that, members of the IMCA took an oath and agreed to following:

6.I agree that unclassified 'meteorites' that have not been verified 
as meteorites might not be meteorites. I will not sell or trade any 
meteorites or any questionable meteoritic material unless I first obtain 
verification. I agree to specify verified but unclassified material as 
such in connection with any sale, trade, or other transaction related to 
the same. Meteoritical Society guidelines will prevail in the 
circumstance of meteorite naming and pairing. I understand and agree 
that, as a member, I may be required to provide further evidence to the 
Board (or other relevant I.M.C.A. Committee), including but not limited 
to: the verification process utilized for unclassified meteorites, 
and/or documentation from an approved testing institution or approved 
individual of the Board's choosing.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens

2018-03-14 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Nice stone, what laboratory confirmed it?  I only ask because only three 
pieces are listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin database.


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+6963=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=54565

Best Regards,

Adam


On 3/13/2018 4:54 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi all,

I purchased quite a few NWA 6963 Martian Specimens in Tucson -
February 2018. After slicing and selling many of the individuals I
came to the last one, a 40 gram specimen.  As I began to take slices
off I started seeing inclusions that looked as if they swirled around
the interior of the meteorite in a fluid motion. In reality the slices
looked more like a loaf of marble rye bread than any Mars specimen I'd
seen previously. After contacting two well known meteorite scientists
and asking if what I was seeing was a weathering pattern they both
informed me that it looked like shock melt. The slices listed on ebay
have NOT been polished as sometimes a polished surface takes away the
sharp contrast in the two lithologies.

Worth a look even if you're not looking to buy!
https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_ssn=mr-meteorite=323140487648&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xshock+melted+nwa+6963.TRS0&_nkw=shock+melted+nwa+6963&_sacat=0


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Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

2018-03-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It looks like the Moroccans are letting out a little bit at time of this 
one.  Let a small amount out, find out what it is and what it goes for 
on the market, and then slowly release all of the pairings.  The only 
exception is if multiple parties in Morocco get a hold of the same 
material, at the same time; Then it is dumped as quickly as possible as 
is the case with the new "lunar" with similar looking terrestrial 
breccia mixed in for extra profit.  There is no crust so few collectors, 
and some dealers for that matter, can't tell the difference.


A List member was kind enough to point out one example of many untested 
fragments of "Black Beauty" being offered on eBay directly from Morocco. 
 He claims he was offered the 3 Kilo piece over a year ago but they 
refused to break it down into more affordable pieces at $100.00/gram. 
They are content selling smaller untested pieces for 10 times this amount.


Rarest Old Basaltic Breccia Martian meteorite 0.31g http://r.ebay.com/ZgE79Q

I refuse to play games with them.  If a few dealers want to buy two 
thirds of the big stone, I would be interested in the other third.


Adam




On 3/9/2018 3:53 PM, Graham Ensor wrote:

I was told it is mythical.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to
NWA 7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as
"Black Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory
analyzed it or is it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or
$100.00/gram for the entire stone is a bit much but I would be
interested in a kilogram at this price if it has been confirmed in a
laboratory and is available.

I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear
anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show
last month.

Any info would be greatly appreciated,

Adam
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[meteorite-list] Questions About NWA 7034, "Black Beauty" Pairing

2018-03-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Does anybody know the disposition of the 3 kilogram plus pairing to NWA 
7034, the Basaltic Martian Breccia sometimes referred to as "Black 
Beauty?"  Has it been been cut yet?  Has a laboratory analyzed it or is 
it just another self-paired stone? $300,000.00 or $100.00/gram for the 
entire stone is a bit much but I would be interested in a kilogram at 
this price if it has been confirmed in a laboratory and is available.


I was hoping it would have shown up cut in Tucson but I did not hear 
anything more about it so canceled any thoughts of going to the show 
last month.


Any info would be greatly appreciated,

Adam
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[meteorite-list] Auctions Ending - Will Trade Land For Meteorite Collections

2018-03-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have some meteorite auctions ending Tuesday and Wednesday night.

Link to all auctions:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/merchant/ancientechoesartifacts


METEORITE COLLECTION TRADES FOR LAND WELCOME:

I have some properties/land that may be of interest to some of you since 
they are near where meteorites have been found.  List members have 
already acquired land from me including a parcel in Franconia, AZ in the 
strewn field and a few ranches in Northern NV including a creek-front 
Battle Mountain property for way below comparable listings.  They are 
extremely pleased with the favorable pricing, the quality of these 
properties and how smooth the paperwork went since I handled everything. 
 I was able to close within a few weeks on all of these land 
transactions, partially because I owned the land outright and do not 
need to deal with agents or brokers.


I am accepting trade or partial trade offers.  I am interested in 
meteorite collections including NWA planetary material that predates 
2012 or NWA 7000.  The meteorite bubble burst sometime around 2008 so I 
see some sectors as a good investment ready for liquidation. I am 
willing to give full retail credit in trade based on what meteorites 
have been selling for on eBay since many consider eBay some kind of 
benchmark for meteorites which seem to be treated like commodities these 
days.  I do not think the prices will go any lower with the exception of 
witnessed falls so I feel safe trading for material.


Here is a partial list of properties that are now available.  I have 
plenty more which will be listed in the up and coming weeks priced from 
as low as $10,000.00 for a CA property all the way up to $1,400,000.00 
for a patented NV property which is discounted by 50% of what a 
neighboring unimproved lot recently sold for.


You will not find a better price on exceedingly rare waterfront land in 
NV than this 40 ACRE LOT PERSHING CO. NEVADA – SPECTACULAR RIVER FRONT 
LAND - HISTORIC TRAIL! http://r.ebay.com/BnyHyn


Meteorites and Gold have been found scattered throughout the entire area 
near this 40 ACRE LOT PERSHING COUNTY NEVADA – RYE PATCH – GOLD BEARING 
AREA !! http://r.ebay.com/ZXdFDK


1.02 ACRE PROPERTIES/LAND KINGSTON, LANDER COUNTY NEVADA – TWO BEST VIEW 
LOTS! http://r.ebay.com/sejQJD


Thank you for considering these and if you are bidding on my weekly 
meteorite auctions, I wish you the best of luck,


Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Resources for Rockhounds

2018-02-25 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



When it comes to public land; The experience has been a dispiriting 
succession of all too frequently broken promises that all too often 
translated into loss of habitat for a vanishing species – the 
recreational Rock Hound and Meteorite Hunter!


For all practical purposes; Meteorite hunting on public land is now an 
extinct avocation here in the U.S. You pick up or sell a single rock, 
you are most likely breaking federal law unless your searches are 
limited to private land.  Online sells of meteorites found on public 
land can be tracked forever and will be used for political purposes, 
especially when it comes to protecting the often abused and twisted 1906 
Antiquities Act.


Adam




On 2/25/2018 8:12 AM, Paul via Meteorite-list wrote:




BLM Resources for Rockhounds
San Diego Gem and Mineral Society
http://www.sdmg.org/sdmg-public/resources/blm-resources/

Rockhounds could hit rock bottom in 2018
by Lisbet Thoresen, The Pegmatite - December 2017 Page 13
http://www.sdmg.org/articles/201712/201712_Rockhounds_could_hit_rock_bottom_in_2018.pdf 



Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending Tonight and Tomorrow

2018-02-07 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I used the high estimate of all items when comparing prices. Even the
low estimate price per gram is four time higher than any other planetary
meteorite in this premier auction when comparing apples to apples.

Of course "Big John M.D", The list self-appointed list sheriff had to
chime in with his nonsense.

Adam

On 2/7/2018 7:49 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list wrote:

"The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission). While the reserve is far lower
still..."

Thank you, Darryl.
Glad someone else said it. I would have pointed it out myself but I already get enough
blowback and crudeness from Adam via his unwelcome "private" messages to my
email here...

John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

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On 2/7/18 at 9:05 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list wrote:

Clarification is required. The low estimate is $1,500/g (before commission).

While the reserve is far lower still, NWA 5000 is indeed the preeminent lunar
meteorite of our time.

On Feb 6, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Dear List Members,

It has been a few months since I have advertised to this forum. I have some
NWA 5000 lunar meteorite specimen auctions ending tonight and tomorrow evening.
They were started at just 99 cents with no reserve.

You may want to check out the estimated price per gram on next months
Christie's premier meteorite auction. At $2,334.63 per gram, NWA 5000 is
estimated over four times higher than any other planetary specimens in their
prestigious line-up.

Christies Meteorite auction Feb. 7 - 14th. Lot 25 is a 5.14 g slice of NWA 5000.

https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/426?SortBy=LotNumber=1=44=true=false

... So if you are interesting in adding a piece of the world's highest rated
lunar meteorite to your collection, you can find both auction and store pieces
offered at here:

Link to all eBay auctions:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/ancientechoesartifacts/m.html?item=202210818967=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, god luck,

Adam Hupe
The Original Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock founder

[meteorite-list] AD -Auctions Ending Tonight and Tomorrow

2018-02-07 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

It has been a few months since I have advertised to this forum.  I have 
some NWA 5000 lunar meteorite specimen auctions ending tonight and 
tomorrow evening.  They were started at just 99 cents with no reserve.


You may want to check out the estimated price per gram on next months 
Christie's premier meteorite auction.  At $2,334.63 per gram, NWA 5000 
is estimated over four times higher than any other planetary specimens 
in their prestigious line-up.


Christies Meteorite auction Feb. 7 - 14th. Lot 25 is a 5.14 g slice of 
NWA 5000.


https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/426?SortBy=LotNumber=1=44=true=false

... So if you are interesting in adding a piece of the world's highest 
rated lunar meteorite to your collection, you can find both auction and 
store pieces offered at here:


Link to all eBay auctions:
https://www.ebay.com/sch/ancientechoesartifacts/m.html?item=202210818967=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562


Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, god luck,

Adam Hupe
The Original Hupe Collection
Team LunarRock founder




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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2018-01-30 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


An obvious fake!

The last I checked Kapoeta was a Howardite, not an Ordinary Chondrite. 
The crust and matrix are wrong. The presence of numerous chondrules 
excludes it. Oxidation halos around metal and the lack of basalt clasts 
indicate, even to a complete novice, that this specimen is bogus.  The 
real Kapoeta was recovered within minutes of hitting the ground and real 
examples are near pristine.


Here is the Meteoritcal Bulletin entry for Kapoeta:

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Kapoeta=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=12251


Remember, that one bad specimen can bring an entire collection into 
question.  It would interesting to see the complete chain of custody on 
this piece.


Adam


On 1/30/2018 12:00 AM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list wrote:

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Kapoeta

Contributed by: Roving Reporter

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=01/30/2018
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[meteorite-list] Hall of Shame Book

2018-01-24 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Interesting that a Chinese dealer who sells fake meteorites wrote a book 
on fakes.  This is one of two, "Dealer Hall of Shame" lists.  The other 
is due out in circulation soon.  And I thought the New York Times story 
was bad.



Never trust the media which does more harm than good. Horrible story 
published in the New York Times featuring several well-know meteorite 
personalities and eBay:


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html

Link to Chinese dealer eBay auction claiming some kind of meteorite 
conspiracy.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/IMCA-is-a-puppet-operated-by-The-Meteoritical-Society/253383227891?hash=item3afed139f3:g:Sl0AAOSwIHlaZavr

Look at his other offerings if you want to get a sense of what this 
person is about.


It is interesting that the New York Times story is still being referenced.


Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Current Sericho Habaswein Pallasite Prices

2018-01-17 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

One dealer was offering Brenham, a well-known ruster with the 
description, No artificial preservatives or coatings where used in its 
preparation, like this was some kind of selling point.  I think the 
referenced examples of Sericho/Habaswein were not clear coated thus the 
dull appearance.


The same claim was made for Seymchan and Brenham about the the supply 
drying up yet 12 year later, there is still plenty on the market.


In the end, buyers determine the price, not dealers.  This was proven by 
undocumented lunar material being placed on the market with no dealer 
added value whatsoever.  Some well-known dealers, thinking more of their 
own skills than that of research scientists, went as far as providing 
COAs for material that they, themselves, had deemed to be lunar with no 
laboratory input.



Adam


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[meteorite-list] Current Sericho Habaswein Pallasite Prices

2018-01-17 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



It looks like the price of the Sericho/Habaswein Pallasite has dropped 
down to about 36 cents a gram in some current cases for sliced/prepared 
examples.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/238-gram-NEW-PALLASITE-METEORITE-END-CUT-KENYA-AFRICA-SARICHO-HABASWEIN-/232630006031?hash=item3629d4310f%3Ag%3AedcAAOSwALtaWt6-=true=p3naGH9mW7Ka57JHRQ%252BBALCfJYE%253D_cvip=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

https://www.ebay.com/itm/132-gram-NEW-PALLASITE-METEORITE-FULL-SLICE-KENYA-AFRICA-SARICHO-HABASWEIN-/232630002151?hash=item3629d421e7%3Ag%3AJ40AAOSwp7taWt4J=true=p3naGH9mW7Ka57JHRQ%252BBALCfJYE%253D_cvip=true=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557


I am waiting for some good buys on Martian material next. I will be 
looking at the shows.


Adam

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[meteorite-list] Quartzsite, AZ Gem And Mineral Show In Full Swing

2018-01-15 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Perfect weather at the currently running Quartzsite, Arizona Gem and 
Mineral Show:


75.2 Degree Weather and Over a Million Visitors!

Quartzsite is located in western Arizona, just 20 miles east of the 
Colorado River on I-10. It's been a rockhound's paradise since the 
1960s. These days, it's also a mecca to well over a million visitors 
each year, most of whom converge on this small town in a wave of RVs 
during the months of January and February.


https://www.desertusa.com/cities/az/quartzsite.html

Have Fun,

Adam



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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Show 2017 Precautions and Advisories

2018-01-13 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Scary stuff,

Thank you for the heads up on the restaurants in Tucson that failed
health department guidelines. I have eaten at three or four of the
listed places in the past. I thought the stomach gurgles were from the
infamous Tucson Crude (flu) that goes around the show almost every year.
I remember my wife complaining to a waiter about the refried beans
being cold at an IMCA dinner at La Fuentes and he stuck his finger in
them and agreed. The waiter returned 20 minutes later with a second
serving of even colder beans.

The bed bug warning is definitely in order. My wife only agreed to
attend the show this year if we holed up in a hermetically sealed
Airstream travel trailer since she will not stay in a hotel in Tucson
ever again. We were attacked by these blood sucking vampires a few
years ago at a gem and mineral show which proved to be very costly. We
disposed of our luggage and clothes afterwards not wanting to bring
these disgusting bugs home with us.

Now, we always inspect hotel rooms for signs of bed bugs before
unloading our luggage. My wife made the mistake of closing the curtains,
turning off the lights and shinning a black light around the room the
last time we were in Tucson. Almost every surface exhibited fluorescence
caused by excitation of atoms in bodily fluids left behind from previous
guests. It looked somewhat like a murder scene you would see on a crime
show. We requested another room, were unable to sleep well and wished
we could forget what we saw.

Bed bugs are at epidemic levels in Tucson which ranks number 14 in the
entire nation for bed bug infestations!

Reference:
Aug 24, 2017 - Arizona Daily Star. Aug 24, 2017. Terminix is warning
Americans and those of us in Tucson and Phoenix that bed bugs are on the
rampage. Of the 20 top cities with a bed bug problem, Tucson ranks No.
14, which is not as bad as Phoenix at No. 7.

Warning; do not look at this graphic image if you do not want to see
some victims horribly bed bug bitten butt:

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/BedBugBitesTucson.jpg

Be careful what you eat since they may be attracted to flatulence
especially when you are at your most vulnerable, degassing at night:

http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-reasons-why-bed-bugs-are-pure-evil.php

Woman killed by bed bug bites:
https://www.zappbug.com/killed-by-bed-bug-bites/

In all seriousness, be careful and use precautions so that you do not
pick up the flu, get eaten by bed bugs, get food poisoning or are
sickened by black mold.

Adam

On 1/12/2018 7:43 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list wrote:

List Members,

Tuscon Bed Bugs, Black Mold and other advisories for those attending 2017

I was doing some pre-planning, which I do for all of my travels, for attending
the 2017 Tucson Show and found some unexpected cautions. Since I spent the time
for my own knowledge I thought it might be a service to share it with you all.

According to what I have found in the Tucson local news, bed bugs, black mold,
virulent and deadly influenza, recent food service safety issues and others are
all to be considered and avoided during your stay during the show - and other.
Although none of these potential problems should NOT stop you from attending it
is wise be aware and take precautions. Welcome to Tucson! Enjoy the 2017 show!

---
Bed Bugs-
Take note that they not only attack and bite while in bed or on sofa but even
worse THEY CAN TRAVEL HOME WITH YOU in your luggage or clothing. If you are
unfortunate and they travel back to your house you may be looking at thousands
of dollars to rid your house of them- bed, sofa, carpets. One website suggests
that you do not store your luggage inside your hotel room or to dispose of
luggage outside your home upon return.

Bed bugs 'crawling on our desks' at Tucson call center | Local news ...
tucson.com/.../bed-bugs...tucson.../article_4a759e96-0636-5bd8-8d47-9ca2d6187e1a...
Oct 21, 2017 - “Wander and spread”. Experts say the situation illustrates the
challenges of battling bed bugs in the workplace, where outbreaks tend to be
smaller but more difficult to detect than in private households. At home, the
pests tend to congregate in one or two places, such as a bed or a sofa, making
them easier ...
http://tucson.com/news/local/bed-bugs-crawling-on-our-desks-at-tucson-call-center/article_4a759e96-0636-5bd8-8d47-9ca2d6187e1a.html

Take the bite out of the bedbug epidemic - Tucson News Now
www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/13349624/take-the-bite-out-of-the-bedbug-epidemic
By Gail Belsky. For many of us, the bedtime warning, "Don't let the bedbugs
bite!" was just a silly thing grown-ups said. Now it's a real and rising threat in
many parts of the country. After more than 50 years of virtual elimination in the U.S.,
bedbugs have made a roaring comeback over the last decade, spreading most rapidly ...
http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/13349624/take-the-bite-out-of-the-bedbug-epidemic

Bed bug cases rise

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-10 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I wish what you said was true however the original and much abused 1906 
Antiquities law was clarified to include meteorites as cultural objects 
with scientific value.  In any case, permits are required which will 
never be issued for commercial purposes and without one, you are 
committing a criminal act by selling them.

Just talk to miners, artifact hunters and rock hounds and they will tell 
the noncommercial use aspect is enforced.  The Department of Interior 
has and still claims ownership of all meteorites found on public land. 
This predates the 2012 clarification which is still enforced.

Or better yet, contact a BLM office and inquire,

On 1/9/2018 2:32 PM, Murray Paulson via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hi Michael:

Thanks so much for the clarification. That is a very positive outcome
for this threaCheers.

Murray

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Instruction Memorandum No. 2012-182
Expires:  09/30/2013

It no longer is applicable, nor was it ever truly.  I got further than
anyone in attempting to procure one of their so-called "permits"; they
were never intended to be issued to anyone, nor is that memo a law.
As Jim correctly points out, the law is silent on the meteorite front.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be
updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on how
valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities Act of
1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including massive land
grabs.

Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to
meteorites:

https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.

On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor
any of the wording below.
Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

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*From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
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*To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

  > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

  >

  > Kind Regards,

  >

  > Jim Wooddell

  >

  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

  > Windows 10

  >

  > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

  > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

  > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>

  > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

  > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

  >

  > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or
probable

  > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

  > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

  >

  > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

  > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

  > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

  >

  > Hi Ruben and List,

  >

  > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

  >

  > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree

  > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about
the

  > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still
abide

  > by them.

  >

  > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk

  > of prosec

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

The law was updated on September 10, 2012.  They felt the law need to be 
updated in order to protect meteorites after seeing all of TV shows on 
how valuable they were. All these laws have a genesis to the Antiquities 
Act of 1906 which has been heavily abused by politicians including 
massive land grabs.


Here is a link directly to the BLM updates which directly relates to 
meteorites:


https://www.blm.gov/policy/im-2012-182-0

The BLM will provide you with PDF files if you want to research in depth.



On 1/9/2018 8:05 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What date are you referring to in regards to  43 CFR 8365.1-5???

GPO has the 2001 version and there is not one mention of meteorites nor 
any of the wording below.

Can you reference a link to the CFR in question?

My Ref:
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2001-title43-vol2/pdf/CFR-2001-title43-vol2-sec8365-1-5.pdf

Jim

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*From: *Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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*Sent: *Tuesday, January 9, 2018 8:41 AM
*To: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public

lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites,

certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas

excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of

Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas

closed by supplemental regulations;

Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried,

up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year;

Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and

non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and

Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be

bartered or sold for commercial purposes.

On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

 > What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

 >

 > Kind Regards,

 >

 > Jim Wooddell

 >

 > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for

 > Windows 10

 >

 > *From: *Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

 > *Sent: *Monday, January 8, 2018 5:23 PM

 > *To: *Raremeteorites <mailto:raremeteori...@centurylink.net>

 > *Cc: *metlist <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>

 > *Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

 >

 > I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable

 > fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government

 > or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.

 >

 > On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 >

 > Hi Ruben and List,

 >

 > Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

 >

 > I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree

 > with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the

 > monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide

 > by them.

 >

 > Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk

 > of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit

 > for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.

 > Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

 > jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest

 > of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even

 > stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

 >

 > Adam

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 > On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

 >

 > This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,

 > including Ads!

 >

 >

 >

 > On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 >

 > Thanks for the heads up, but really...

 >

 > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

 >

 > 

 > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

 > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

 > <mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

 > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in

 > mind that

 > selling meteorites found on public l

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


43 CFR 8365.1-5

Collection of meteorites is limited to certain public lands. Public 
lands closed to casual collection include: developed recreation sites, 
certain units of the National Landscape Conservation System, areas 
excluded from casual collection in a Land Use Plan such as an Area of 
Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) or a wilderness area, and areas 
closed by supplemental regulations;


Individuals are limited to collecting what can be easily hand-carried, 
up to a maximum of ten pounds of meteorites per individual, per year; 
Only surface collection of meteorites using non-motorized and 
non-mechanical equipment is allowed (metal detectors may be used); and


Casually-collected meteorites are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.




On 1/9/2018 4:50 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote:

What law?  Can you please reference the CFR’s?

Kind Regards,

Jim Wooddell

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*Subject: *Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.


On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

________
    On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf
Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
 > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about
24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end
cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. >

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

John, This string has been changed to BLM Public land.  We can also go 
back to the infamous D.G. Schmitt papers which stated the following and 
started much of the this grief back in 2001.


"United States of America.  A  find  is  owned  by  the  land-owner.  A 
find  on  federal  government  property  is  owned  by the  Department 
of  the  Interior  but  may  be  acquired  by  the Smithsonian 
Institution."


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2001/pdf/5150.pdf

or where meteorites were deemed cultural objects that should not be 
squandered on dealers and collectors:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf


Adam


On 1/8/2018 3:58 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

I tried--I really didbut
All pertinent information has been conveyed and understood by All.
Everything else,in my opinion, is bloviated non-information.
Someone needs to let this thread go--g,--I wonder who that
may be?

- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2018 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!


Micheal, You are breaking your own proposed rule by posting to the List.
   I think meteorite hunters have a right to know the issues that could
have an affect on hunting meteorites on public land.

I tried to change the subject heading but people keep posting to this
string.

Adam



On 1/8/2018 3:30 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:

Then send him a private note, and respond to his note to you in private.

I would argue that you going on and on and on about this draws more
attention to it than the ad itself.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Larry,

I do not have a problem with you personally.  I enjoy your field reports but
was dismayed to see meteorites found on public land being offered up on a
commercial basis since it could have an affect on the future of meteorite
hunting.  I have been involved with BLM land discussions since the 1990's so
this is nothing new.

These laws are being enforced which I am sure people will hear about at the
Tucson show.  No, I am not the snitch.  Actually there are several. If the
name of just one these snitches (informants) got out, it would shock the
entire community.  It only takes one person, with their hand caught in the
cookie jar, to try and save their own butt by turning on others.

My negativity stems from all the damage that has occurred to this avocation,
being ripped off and badmouthed by dealers.  I have no problem with
collectors who I tend to side with these days.  Every argument I have had
has been with dealers, mainly the 3.0 crowd.


Adam


On 1/8/2018 2:45 PM, Larry Atkins wrote:




Adam,

Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me
and my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just
trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention,
that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after
the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've
finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't.

I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the
pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as
often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy
control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and
contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up
and document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr.
Kring and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think
Osceola cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your
back yard, unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've
worked very hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in
this hobby, sharing with whom ever and wherever I can.And yes, I'm defensive
right now because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying
to draw attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year
ebay ads are running, and I don't deserve that  You should pick someone else
to target, maybe someone that is actually out doing bad things.

While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be
adhered to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should
throw it in the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have
procured these same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile
too, or turn themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone
of sound mind can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not
unlike other b.s. laws of the past and prese

Re: [meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


One just needs to search the List archives to discover the truth.

In any case, the BLM has made its position clear on the subject. The 
laws that apply to finds are the same for falls.  The BLM doesn't 
differentiate between the two. Let's just hope that the rest of our 
rights are not lost.  It only takes a few to ruin it for everybody else.


Adam






On 1/8/2018 3:45 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote:
I haven't hunted meteorites - other than the occasional fall or probable 
fall - in many years and no I never had any trouble with any government 
or state agency relating to meteorites or anything else.


On Jan 8, 2018 2:58 PM, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree
with the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the
monetary value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide
by them.

Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk
of prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit
for competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call. 
Not only that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds,

jeopardize the collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest
of us.  Dealers breaking the law can be used as examples for even
stricter laws forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.

Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything,
including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


    On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in
mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is
against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as
some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite
sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e.,
for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the
BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to
certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected
per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of
non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are
okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use
only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf

<https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf>
Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:
 > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about
24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids.
There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from
Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end
cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would
be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City.
Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian
Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA
11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't
miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold
quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick
search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are
practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from
my

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Micheal, You are breaking your own proposed rule by posting to the List. 
 I think meteorite hunters have a right to know the issues that could 
have an affect on hunting meteorites on public land.


I tried to change the subject heading but people keep posting to this 
string.


Adam



On 1/8/2018 3:30 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:

Then send him a private note, and respond to his note to you in private.

I would argue that you going on and on and on about this draws more
attention to it than the ad itself.

Michael in so. Cal.

On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Larry,

I do not have a problem with you personally.  I enjoy your field reports but
was dismayed to see meteorites found on public land being offered up on a
commercial basis since it could have an affect on the future of meteorite
hunting.  I have been involved with BLM land discussions since the 1990's so
this is nothing new.

These laws are being enforced which I am sure people will hear about at the
Tucson show.  No, I am not the snitch.  Actually there are several. If the
name of just one these snitches (informants) got out, it would shock the
entire community.  It only takes one person, with their hand caught in the
cookie jar, to try and save their own butt by turning on others.

My negativity stems from all the damage that has occurred to this avocation,
being ripped off and badmouthed by dealers.  I have no problem with
collectors who I tend to side with these days.  Every argument I have had
has been with dealers, mainly the 3.0 crowd.


Adam


On 1/8/2018 2:45 PM, Larry Atkins wrote:




Adam,

Man, you are killing me. Are you just bored? Why are you singling out me
and my auctions? I've never done anything to you, and don't say you are just
trying to protect me and other dealers, you are drawing undo attention,
that's not protection. Leave sleeping dogs lie. I can't believe that after
the last few years of watching you drag people into ridiculousville you've
finally got me. On one hand I really want to ignore you but I can't.

I sell once a year, enough to cover a tiny percentage of the costs of the
pursuit. I contribute valuable information and new meteorites to science as
often as I can, all with my own hard earned money. I started my poison ivy
control business 12 years ago just so that I could pursue meteorites and
contribute to the science. I spent thousands of my own dollars to open up
and document the Nevada side of Gold Basin, (which is now confirmed by Dr.
Kring and publication is pending.) How much sweat and treasure do you think
Osceola cost me? How about weeks and weeks on end for two winters in your
back yard, unraveling the Bullhead City strewn field all on my dime? I've
worked very hard over the years in my spare time to be a positive force in
this hobby, sharing with whom ever and wherever I can.And yes, I'm defensive
right now because I take your posts personally. I feel like you are trying
to draw attention to me, specifically, right now while my once or so a year
ebay ads are running, and I don't deserve that  You should pick someone else
to target, maybe someone that is actually out doing bad things.

   While I'm at it, if this was something that actually needed to be
adhered to, everyone that has ever bought a questionable meteorite should
throw it in the garbage right now. Universities and institutions that have
procured these same falls and finds should throw theirs on the burn pile
too, or turn themselves in and be prosecuted for trafficking. So as anyone
of sound mind can see, that's ridiculous and these laws are very much not
unlike other b.s. laws of the past and present, practically unenforceable
and wrong to begin with. A crime needs a victim by definition and I don't
see a victim here. Furthermore, the stones would have to be reclassified and
proven to be legitimate, then in the case of say Battle Mountain, Gold
Basin, Franconia or Indian Butte, to name a few, there is a checkerboard or
mix of private / public land. Which stone is this? Where was this particular
stone found? Prove where the stone came from! And all for what? What a joke,
a complete waste of resources. It's like trying to enforce sodomy laws or
tell people they can't smoke weed, forget it. My neighbor in Az is a county
sheriff and I watch him do a rolling stop everyday at the stop sign in front
of the house, do I lecture him? Should I call his boss? GET REAL. These laws
you cite are wrong headed, or at the very least, if used to prosecute a guy
like me, that would not be in the true spirit of which they were written.
Despite the fact you say you don't agree with the laws, you seem to be quite
an outspoken proponent on this list, unless of course it interferes with
your pursuits.

Adam, I used to have great respect for you, and though I can't take away
anything positive you've done in the past, it would seem your days of
positive contri

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

: Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 8, 2018 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands? If 
meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited 
under FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal 
removal of any personal property or any scientific resource or natural 
object. You will also be subject to criminal prosecution under title 18, 
section 641 for the theft of Federal property and related criminal 
statutes depending on the type of illegal activity, including false 
labeling under title 18, section 1001. I would take this very seriously. 
There are snitches in our midst as many have found out the hard way. On 
1/7/2018 11:54 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > Thanks for 
the heads up, but really... > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > > > 
---- 
 > On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list > 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com <mailto:l...@meteoritecentral.com>> 
wrote: > > I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in 
mind that > selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is 
against federal > law. I do not want to see anybody get into trouble 
because, as some List > Members have found out the hard way, the BLM 
does monitor meteorite > sales, especially eBay. Meteorites may be 
casually collected, i.e., for > free and without a permit, under FLPMA 
However,in accordance with the > BLM's regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 
collection is limited to certain > public lands, (2) only specimens up 
to ten pounds may be collected per > person per year, and (3) only 
surface collection with the use of > non-motorized and non-Mechanical 
equipment is allowed; metal detectors > are okay. However, specimens 
that are casually collected are for > personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial > purposes. Reference: > 
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf > 
Happy hunting, > On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list 
wrote: > > List, > > > I have 32 auctions running right now with some 
ending in about 24 > hours. Most started at .99 with no reserve and some 
still have no bids. > There are a few items rarely offered, like 
Osceola, the witnessed fall > from Florida. Or NWA 11107 a rare eucrite 
melt. Right now there is a 2.8 > gram end cut with only 2 bids, $2.51 at 
the moment. > > Some other > highlights would be the rarely offered 
Arizona find officially > recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely 
offered Arizona meteorite, > the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka 
Stanfield. I have a low TKW > Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. 
It's a 2.71 gram full slice that > is currently at $13.00. > > Don't 
miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. > The first 2 I put up sold quick, 
there are 2 more up with very > reasonable buy it now prices and a quick 
search on the internet will > demonstrate the rarity, these things are 
practically unobtainable. > > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's 
from my big find in 2007. > A 3.2 > kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. 
 > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA 10140 Lunar > 1 of only 2 anorthositic 
troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3 slices. > > NWA 8663 A complete 
crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve! > > > There are 
others as well, take a minute and check them out if > interested. > > 
Thank you. > > > > > 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200 
 > > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > > 
www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com 
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[meteorite-list] BLM Public Land

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Hi Ruben and List,

Ruben, didn't you have problems with the BLM?

I was just trying to save some dealers from grief.  I do not agree with 
the new laws, that were incorporated after much press about the monetary 
value of meteorites aired a few years back, but still abide by them.


Anybody dealing meteorites found on public land is at serious risk of 
prosecution since they are making themselves low-hanging fruit for 
competitors and agents alike.  It only takes one phone call.  Not only 
that, dealers who break the law by selling these finds, jeopardize the 
collection of meteorites on public lands for the rest of us.  Dealers 
breaking the law can be used as examples for even stricter laws 
forbidding the hunting of meteorites altogether.


Adam





On 1/8/2018 1:03 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list wrote:

This just in, Adam has finally commented on everything, including Ads!



On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail


On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal law.
I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List Members
have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite sales,
especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and
without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's
regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public
lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per
year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and
non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However,
specimens that are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not
be bartered or sold for commercial purposes. Reference:
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf Happy
hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > > I
have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2
bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other highlights would be the rarely
offered Arizona find officially recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely
offered Arizona meteorite, the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka
Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a
2.71 gram full slice that is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the
extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2
more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the
internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically
unobtainable. > > Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in
2007. > A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA
10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3
slices. > NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no
reserve! > > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if
interested. > > Thank you. > > > >
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200

Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com >

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

2018-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


What happens if meteorites are collected illegally from public lands?

If meteorites are collected illegally from public lands you can be cited 
under FLPMA and the regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5(a) for illegal 
removal of any personal property or any scientific resource or natural 
object. You will also be subject to criminal prosecution under title 18, 
section 641 for the theft of Federal property and related criminal 
statutes depending on the type of illegal activity, including false 
labeling under title 18, section 1001.


I would take this very seriously.  There are snitches in our midst as 
many have found out the hard way.




On 1/7/2018 11:54 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:

Thanks for the heads up, but really...

Sent from AOL Mobile Mail




On Sunday, January 7, 2018 Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that 
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal 
law. I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some List 
Members have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite 
sales, especially eBay. Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for 
free and without a permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the 
BLM's regulations at 43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain 
public lands, (2) only specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per 
person per year, and (3) only surface collection with the use of 
non-motorized and non-Mechanical equipment is allowed; metal detectors 
are okay. However, specimens that are casually collected are for 
personal use only, and may not be bartered or sold for commercial 
purposes. Reference: 
https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf 
Happy hunting,
On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote: > > List, > 
 > I have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 
hours. Most started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. 
There are a few items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall 
from Florida. Or NWA 11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 
gram end cut with only 2 bids, $2.51 at the moment. > > Some other 
highlights would be the rarely offered Arizona find officially 
recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely offered Arizona meteorite, 
the witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka Stanfield. I have a low TKW 
Howardite that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a 2.71 gram full slice that 
is currently at $13.00. > > Don't miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. 
The first 2 I put up sold quick, there are 2 more up with very 
reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search on the internet will 
demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically unobtainable. > > 
Others listed are: > Holbrook frag's from my big find in 2007. > A 3.2 
kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side. > NWA 6581 an LL6. > NWA 10140 Lunar 
1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite. > unclassified NWA type3 slices. > 
NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve! > 
 > There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if 
interested. > > Thank you. > > > > 
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200 
 > > > Sincerely, > Larry Atkins > > > > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 32 Auctions Lots of Good Deals!

2018-01-07 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



I do not normally comment on ads but sellers should keep in mind that 
selling meteorites found on public lands in the U.S. is against federal 
law.  I do not want to see anybody get into trouble because, as some 
List Members have found out the hard way, the BLM does monitor meteorite 
sales, especially eBay.


Meteorites may be casually collected, i.e., for free and without a 
permit, under FLPMA However,in accordance with the BLM's regulations at 
43 CFR 8365.1-5 collection is limited to certain public lands, (2) only 
specimens up to ten pounds may be collected per person per year, and (3) 
only surface collection with the use of non-motorized and non-Mechanical 
equipment is allowed; metal detectors are okay. However, specimens that 
are casually collected are for personal use only, and may not be 
bartered or sold for commercial purposes.


Reference:

https://www.blm.gov/sites/blm.gov/files/uploads/IM2012-182_att1.pdf

Happy hunting,



On 1/7/2018 8:56 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:


List,

I have 32 auctions running right now with some ending in about 24 hours. Most 
started at .99 with no reserve and some still have no bids. There are a few 
items rarely offered, like Osceola, the witnessed fall from Florida. Or NWA 
11107 a rare eucrite melt. Right now there is a 2.8 gram end cut with only 2 
bids, $2.51 at the moment.

Some other highlights would be the rarely offered Arizona find officially 
recognized as Bullhead City. Another rarely offered Arizona meteorite, the 
witnessed fall called Indian Butte, aka Stanfield. I have a low TKW Howardite 
that is gorgeous, NWA 11184. It's a 2.71 gram full slice that is currently at 
$13.00.

Don't miss the extraordinary Anda tektites. The first 2 I put up sold quick, 
there are 2 more up with very reasonable buy it now prices and a quick search 
on the internet will demonstrate the rarity, these things are practically 
unobtainable.

Others listed are:
Holbrook frag's from my big find in 2007.
A 3.2 kg Gold Basin from the Nevada side.
NWA 6581 an LL6.
NWA 10140 Lunar 1 of only 2 anorthositic troctolite.
unclassified NWA type3 slices.
NWA 8663 A complete crusted eucrite stone with no bids and no reserve!

There are others as well, take a minute and check them out if interested.

Thank you.



https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=&_in_kw=1&_ex_kw=&_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=48438-9655&_sargn=-1%26saslc%3D1&_salic=1&_fss=1&_fsradio=%26LH_SpecificSeller%3D1&_saslop=1&_sasl=alienrockfarm&_sop=12&_dmd=1&_ipg=200


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
  



www.CosmicConnectionMeteorites.com
IMCA # 1941

Ebay alienrockfarm
  


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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay

2018-01-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

You are lucky eBay did not kick you off permanently which has been 
happening frequently since their new rules were announced a few months 
ago.  They will not even allow any links to supporting documentation 
like Meteoritical Bulletin entries. Some tings that will get you into 
trouble are:


Links to websites

Contact info on any sort including that which is embedded in images

Copies of Meteoritical Bulletin entries that have hyperlinks built into them

Images of ID cards or COAs with contact information on them

I heard of somebody losing their seller privileges for having a scale 
cube with website information on it included in their images. They were 
warned only twice before being permanently suspended.


Apparently, eBay is aggressively enforcing these new rules.  They do not 
want buyers leaving their website and purchasing directly from sellers. 
It is all about losing a single penny in outside sales for them.


Now I have to wait for PayPal's 1099K form which doesn't break out 
anything and only reports total revenue creating an immense amount of 
tax calculations. If you do not break it down, then the IRS will be 
happy to do it for you assigning all of the revenue to income and not 
actual profit.  Dealers need to be extra careful this year since Curry 
took it upon himself to file whistle blower forms against most dealers 
hoping to get a 15% reward.


Adam


On 1/1/2018 10:27 AM, Larry Atkins via Meteorite-list wrote:

List,

This is a note to anyone that was bidding on my ebay listings. Apparently my 
listings were not compliant and as a result, 20+ listings were deleted this 
morning. If you were bidding or watching, I apologize. I've since corrected the 
offense and relisted the items.
Sorry for the inconvenience.


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins
  



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IMCA # 1941

Ebay alienrockfarm
  


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Re: [meteorite-list] Curry in jail

2017-12-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


If you see this show up in Quartzsite or the Tucson show, Run!

http://themeteoritesite.com/images/MobileGallowsA.jpg

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Re: [meteorite-list] Curry In Jail

2017-12-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Al, You are correct in your assessment.

If Blaine had used the legal system for any kind of relief against 
Curry, it would take years while the immediate and very real danger 
would still be present.  The new breed of pump and dump, 3.0 dealers and 
a few established dealers tried to blame the Reeds for Curry's posse 
showing up in Quartzsite and Tucson and if he stayed away, so would 
Curry.  These spineless dealers were only concerned with themselves and 
how Curry's presence would affect their income.  It is interesting how 
honest people like the Reeds always seem to pay the price.  I have seen 
this happen time and time again.


This all started with the high noon XRF gun shootout challenge in Denver 
where the Reeds stated that his San Juan breccia was not a lunar rock. 
Curry had claimed his breccia was NWA 5000's big brother based on 
appearance alone and was trying to dump it on eBay.  Sound familiar? 
Curry joined the meteorite scene soon after increased media where TV 
shows made finding meteorites look like collecting Easter Eggs and 
displayed price tags which were hugely inflated in value.


Curry has threatened many List members including myself.  I should feel 
fortunate that only a $100,000,000.00 Bond was posted against me 
compared to what the Reeds have gone through.   It is also fortunate 
that I pay my taxes and there are no journal differences in my 
bookkeeping since Curry took it upon himself to file whistle-blower 
forms against most meteorite dealers with the IRS before being thrown in 
jail.  Meteorite "dealers" better hope they have been paying their taxes 
since the forms Curry filed in hopes of getting a 15% reward are taken 
seriously by the IRS.


Adam





On 12/8/2017 6:25 AM, AL Mitorling via Meteorite-list wrote:

On 12/8/17, AL Mitorling  wrote:

Hi Blake and all,

Hopefully this will be a wake up call to some dishonest folks dealing in
pseudo or misrepresented meteorites. It will be nice to do the Tucson Gem
Show not so heavily armed. Also, some members of the meteorite community
encouraged Blaine to prosecute Curry, then tried to have Blaine expelled
last year from the gem show when trouble showed up, being the spineless
creatures they are.  Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 10:30 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:



Holy S-it !

I knew it was involved and intertwined but not to this extent...

Safe everyone !

John

- Original Message -
From: "Blake via Meteorite-list" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 6:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Curry In Jail


Hello All,

Blaine wanted me to post this for him. I haven't posted anything before
so I hope it works (and doesn't violate any rules) and I'm on the daily
digest so I can't see responses right away.
Blake

Hello everybody!

I am greatly RELIEVED to be able to announce the, likely permanent, end
to the Curry/ and his fake meteorites saga. I thought of using “PLEASED
to announce” but, really, it is a bit of a sad situation to watch
someone completely destroy their life and some of the lives around them
in such a delusional fantasy world as Curry has managed to do.

Anyway, it seems that Mr. Steven Duane Curry is in jail in Alamogordo,
New Mexico for the time being. After that, he has a (likely looong) jail
date waiting for him in Colorado.

I am going to give a long but still “Reader’s Digest” version of the
past events that have led to this situation, not to publicly bemoan the
problems my family and I have faced from this clown over the years (and
there have indeed been many), but so others will have a better
understanding of just how deep Curry is in do-do right now.

Many of you know that I showed law-enforcement officials that Curry was
publicly selling fake meteorites back in 2012. Most of you also know
that he was convicted on three counts and was sentenced to 3 years in
jail (though the jail folks decided it best to turn him loose after only
6 months once they did finally get their hands on him). Shortly after
his conviction, he hit Blake, Linda and me with a civil lawsuit
demanding $300 million in damages for his trial travails and “lost
value” of his “meteorite collection”. Thankfully, (with the expert help
of Eric Twelker – I was lost and drowning in this and probably would
have gone on to loose the case if left completely to my own devices)
this suit was thrown out of court in (fairly) short order. However while
suing us, Curry had formed a big pile of “evidence” supposedly showing
how we (Blake, Linda and I) were supposedly committing all kinds of
heinous crimes (meteorite theft, money laundering, conspiracy, murder
(of babies in Africa and US soldiers world wide -???), funding
terrorism, and much more. He filed this pile of steaming dung with
pretty much EVERY law-enforcement agency in the world he could (local

[meteorite-list] Clear Coat Finishes

2017-12-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Most clear coat finishes contain water which acts as a solvent and are 
designed to be applied over a base coat.  The base coat is designed to 
be applied over a primer. The primer is the sealant designed to be in 
direct contact with metal.


By skipping the first two processes, you would be applying water or a 
solvent directly to metal, something that is considered sacrilege in the 
automotive industry.


The life span of clear coats is about ten years and even less for lacquer.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



This was Mike Farmers exact question which was forwarded to the List:

*
"As if you know anything about what this was selling for in Japan. When 
if the last time you’ve left your house?"

*

If responding to this makes me look like a fool in your opinion, then so 
be it. The same list members that respond to what I post are generally 
dealers that have a financial stake in what is being discussed and don't 
like to hear what I have to say.


I do not see any collectors being representing in these debates after 
the initial post.  A collector was simply asking advice on the stability 
of this Pallasite which he experienced problems with.


It would be nice to get genuine collectors' opinions but most do not 
care to post for the fear of being attacked if some dealer doesn't like 
what they have say.


Adam


On 12/4/2017 8:49 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

No Adam,

I just gave some praise towards you, to someone. However,

I'm in no way Judge, Jury, Sheriff nor Deputy Again, however I
am someone that Realizes when someone/anyone begins to spout
their own tree stump Bull-shit Too often. Gets really old hand.

My question to you is why do you continue to do this -- why, why ??

You don't need to make yourself look like a fool.
I'm the best fool on any List -- you Now take my place !

With some respect, John


- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


I was just responding to Mikes post to the List about travel.
Denationalizing millions of acres is meteorite related since it opens
these lands back up to searching.

Are you the second list sheriff or just a deputy?

Adam




On 12/4/2017 8:28 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

Adam,

Now, I truly believe you have lost your focus..

And you just want to listen to yourself..whatever you want to say.

Adam -- this is the Meteorite List ..--stay on Subject !

Subject: - Stabilility of Sericho (Habaswein).

What am I Missing ??

John



----- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


I travel all of the time. I just don't produce Brian Williams type
reports every time I return home.  You should be happy to hear that
millions of acres (National Monuments) were restored (denationalized)
today to meteorite hunting and for actual public use in Utah.  Nevada
and California are next.  Perhaps I will explore these areas when they
become available again for public enjoyment

Adam




On 12/4/2017 7:56 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

As if you know anything about what this was selling for in Japan. When if the 
last time you’ve left your house?

Michael Farmer


On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!



On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite, even
in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the show has
ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.

I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector
reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.

Adam





On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But leaving
your sofa is required.
We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall you
ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
experience.
Michael Farmer



On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Oops, Chevy


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0

Rob
--
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to
this P

Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I was just responding to Mikes post to the List about travel. 
Denationalizing millions of acres is meteorite related since it opens 
these lands back up to searching.


Are you the second list sheriff or just a deputy?

Adam




On 12/4/2017 8:28 PM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list wrote:

Adam,

Now, I truly believe you have lost your focus..

And you just want to listen to yourself..whatever you want to say.

Adam -- this is the Meteorite List ..--stay on Subject !

Subject: - Stabilility of Sericho (Habaswein).

What am I Missing ??

John



- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


I travel all of the time. I just don't produce Brian Williams type
reports every time I return home.  You should be happy to hear that
millions of acres (National Monuments) were restored (denationalized)
today to meteorite hunting and for actual public use in Utah.  Nevada
and California are next.  Perhaps I will explore these areas when they
become available again for public enjoyment

Adam




On 12/4/2017 7:56 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

As if you know anything about what this was selling for in Japan. When if the 
last time you’ve left your house?

Michael Farmer


On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!



On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite, even
in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the show has
ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.

I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector
reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.

Adam





On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But leaving
your sofa is required.
We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall you
ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
experience.
   Michael Farmer



On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Oops, Chevy


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0

Rob
--
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to
this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates that
Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports today of
rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and popping noises
coming from specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from ruster to serious
ruster.

Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment other
than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade
polishing and low humidity storage/display.

I avoid rusters at all costs,

Adam





On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and
don't see a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great. :-D

If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who
actually has experience working with the meteorite in question.

Additionally,
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range.
Expertly prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. That
distinction needs to be made.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







Sent using the mail.com mail app


On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces
of
any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure
to
direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.

A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since t

Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I travel all of the time. I just don't produce Brian Williams type 
reports every time I return home.  You should be happy to hear that 
millions of acres (National Monuments) were restored (denationalized) 
today to meteorite hunting and for actual public use in Utah.  Nevada 
and California are next.  Perhaps I will explore these areas when they 
become available again for public enjoyment


Adam




On 12/4/2017 7:56 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

As if you know anything about what this was selling for in Japan. When if the 
last time you’ve left your house?

Michael Farmer


On Dec 5, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Ruben Garcia via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Rock on Mr Haag, awesome to see you post on the met-list again!



On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite, even
in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the show has
ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.

I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector
reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.

Adam





On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But leaving
your sofa is required.
We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall you
ever owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your
experience.
  Michael Farmer



On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Oops, Chevy


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0

Rob
----------
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to
this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates that
Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports today of
rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and popping noises
coming from specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from ruster to serious
ruster.

Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment other
than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade
polishing and low humidity storage/display.

I avoid rusters at all costs,

Adam





On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and
don't see a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great. :-D

If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who
actually has experience working with the meteorite in question.

Additionally,
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range.
Expertly prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. That
distinction needs to be made.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







Sent using the mail.com mail app


On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces
of
any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure
to
direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.

A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are
several
metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen
was
around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.

Happy Collecting,

Adam


On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:
Hello Dear List Members,

Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite
owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
  From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability,
similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just
fortuity
or is it really so?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

Andrey,
IMCA#6240


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is interesting how quickly the price has dropped on this Pallasite, 
even in Japan where it was being dumped over the weekend.  Now that the 
show has ended, it will be interesting what price it brings in Tucson.


I wouldn't pay 20 cents a gram for this material after hearing collector 
reports, even with a lifetime rust-free guarantee.


Adam




On 12/4/2017 6:39 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Adam. Give me a break. Sorry you are left behind on this one. But leaving your 
sofa is required.
We are all having a great laugh at this post in Japan. I can’t recall you ever 
owning or selling a pallasite. Please enlighten us as to your experience.
  
Michael Farmer



On Dec 5, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Oops, Chevy

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sc=1&_sop=3&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_osacat=0&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.X1955+chevy.TRS0&_nkw=1955+chevy&_sacat=0

Rob
----------
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)


The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to this 
Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates that Sericho 
(Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports today of rusticles, 
green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and popping noises coming from 
specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from ruster to serious ruster.

Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment other than 
avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade polishing and 
low humidity storage/display.

I avoid rusters at all costs,

Adam





On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and don't see 
a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great. :-D

If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who actually has 
experience working with the meteorite in question.

Additionally,
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range. Expertly 
prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. That distinction 
needs to be made.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







Sent using the mail.com mail app


On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces of
any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure to
direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.

A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are several
metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen was
around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.

Happy Collecting,

Adam


On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:
Hello Dear List Members,

Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite
owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
  From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability,
similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just fortuity
or is it really so?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

Andrey,
IMCA#6240


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

There is a big difference between a 55 Ford from the dry Southwest and a 
55 Chevy from the salt-treated roads of the East coast.  My all-time 
favorite car is an aluminum 1965 Shelby Cobra 427 SC.  The only issue is 
electrolysis between steel in contact with aluminum parts which can be 
solved with stainless steel fasteners.


In all seriousness, it is good to stand behind what you sell.  Perhaps a 
 lifetime warranty against rust is order like chemical Rhino linings on 
a pick up truck bed.


Adam




On 12/4/2017 6:29 PM, Rob Wesel wrote:
And when the proper steps are taken to restore and preserve that 55 
Ford, it becomes a prized collectors item.


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sc=1&_sticky=1&_trkparms=65%253A16%257C66%253A4%257C39%253A1&_ipg=200&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=1955+ford_PrefLoc=2&_sop=3 



I stand by my product

Rob


----------
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 5:58 PM
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to 
this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates 
that Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several 
reports today of rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged 
crystals and popping noises coming from specimens. Maybe it should be 
upgraded from ruster to serious ruster.


Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment 
other than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper 
high-grade polishing and low humidity storage/display.


I avoid rusters at all costs,

Adam




On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:
I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and 
don't see a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working 
great. :-D


If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who 
actually has experience working with the meteorite in question.


Additionally,
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range. 
Expertly prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. 
That distinction needs to be made.


Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut 
pieces of

any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, 
exposure to

direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.

A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are 
several
metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen 
was

around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.

Happy Collecting,

Adam

On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hello Dear List Members,

Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite
owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
  From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability,
similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just fortuity
or is it really so?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

Andrey,
IMCA#6240


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

The fact that dealers are applying sealants and anti-rust coatings to 
this Pallasite, like an old 55 Chevy from the East Coast, indicates that 
Sericho (Habaswein) is indeed a ruster.  I received several reports 
today of rusticles, green goo, chemical smells, dislodged crystals and 
popping noises coming from specimens. Maybe it should be upgraded from 
ruster to serious ruster.


Stable Pallasites like Esquel do not require any special treatment other 
than avoiding chlorinated water during preparation, proper high-grade 
polishing and low humidity storage/display.


I avoid rusters at all costs,

Adam




On 12/4/2017 10:40 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

I got my sealed full slice of Habaswein from Rob many months ago and don't see 
a lick of rusting on it. Sealant appears to be working great.  :-D

If I were in the market for a specimen, I'd listen to the guy who actually has 
experience working with the meteorite in question.

Additionally,
Large multi-kg specimens of Habaswein do sell in the 0.5$/g range. Expertly 
prepared slices do not. They sell for 8-10 times that price. That distinction 
needs to be made.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295







Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 12/4/17 at 11:14 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces of
any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure to
direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.

A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are several
metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen was
around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.

Happy Collecting,

Adam

On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hello Dear List Members,

Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite
owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
  From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability,
similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just fortuity
or is it really so?

Thanks in advance for your answers,

Andrey,
IMCA#6240


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Only time will tell if Sericho is a serious ruster or not.  The 
fortunate thing is that there is a massive amount available (several 
metric tons) so we can check back on it a few years from now and see how 
it stands the test of time.  A few months is not enough time to make 
determinations on its stability.


I have prepared over 60,000 meteorite specimens so I feel qualified to 
comment on preparation.


I am only trying to save collectors from a lot of grief.

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



I have extensive experience with Pallasites having collected them since 
the 1990s . My all-time favorite is Esquel.  The Esquel had a clear coat 
finish applied to it and I saw one small rust spot appear.  I removed 
the coating and polished it properly and it has been trouble-free ever 
since.  Of course I live in the Mohave desert so humidity is not a problem.


The best advice I can give to a collector is to avoid rusters 
altogether.  I learned the hard way and have lost thousands on 
improperly prepared Pallasites or specimens prone to rust. I pulled one 
example out of my safe several years ago and was dismayed to see that it 
had disintegrated. The only thing holding it together was the clear coat 
shell that prevented the crystals from popping out. The slice was 
actually flexible since the metal was all but gone.  The clear coat held 
it together long enough for me to throw it in a trashcan.


A good specimen should not need any coatings or treatment in my opinion.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stability of Sericho (Habaswein)

2017-12-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

My advice is to stay away from any sliced pieces with a lacquer or 
clear-coat surface.  It is sign that shortcuts were taken in its 
preparation.  Proper polishing reduces the surface area on cut pieces of 
any meteorite aiding in the prevention of "lawrencite disease."  Not 
only that, these coatings will accelerate the deterioration process by 
trapping moisture.  It is important to store this material in low 
humidity environments with plenty of air circulation.  Also, exposure to 
direct sunlight will cause the crystals to darken with time.


A lot of collectors are in the wait and see mode since there are several 
metric tons of this material available. The lowest price I have seen was 
around 46 cents a gram for a recently sold piece on eBay.


Happy Collecting,

Adam

On 12/2/2017 5:14 AM, Andrey via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hello Dear List Members,

Just a small question to new Sericho (was Habaswein) Kenya pallasite 
owners, dealers, cutters: how stable is it?
 From my own experience I noticed its extreme degree of instability, 
similar to Admire or even more... Is this unlucky piece, just fortuity 
or is it really so?


Thanks in advance for your answers,

Andrey,
IMCA#6240


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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Bitcoin Holders

2017-12-01 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Only that a $1,600.00 investment a few months ago would now realize over 
$100,000.00.  NWA 5000 set yet another world record since this is the 
highest price ever paid for an unloaded bitcoin holder.  Bill Clinton 
and the great Woz both own Kialara bitcoin holders.  There are several 
other billionaires that cannot do without one. The "To The Moon" suites 
sold out in less than five minutes which represents another world 
record.  It is an honor that NWA 5000, the highest rated lunar meteorite 
in the world, was chosen for this project.   The next project promises 
to be even bigger!


Kialara Bitcoin holder based on NWA 5000:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-c.jpg

Closeup of of NWA 5000 in world record setting Bitcoin holder:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-e.jpg

Ex President Bill Clinton with Kialara:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/BillClintonKialaraBitcoin.jpg


Adam


On 12/1/2017 3:27 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

What does bitcoin value have to do with nwa 5000?

Michael Farmer


On Dec 2, 2017, at 6:28 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Wow, the NWA 5000 Bitcoin artwork has really gone up in price.  This is for an 
unloaded Kialara pair priced at 4.25 bitcoins equaling $45,772.48.  The entire 
unloaded suite, costing only around $1,600.00 when released a few months ago, 
is probably now worth over $100,000.00.

https://physicalbitcoins.co.uk/product/kialara-2015-original-gold-silver-matched-pair-22

I am glad to have invested in such a project not realizing the full upward 
potential in a secondary market.

It proves, once again, the real value of proper classification and provenance 
otherwise this lunar material would have never been considered for such a 
project.

Adam



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[meteorite-list] NWA 5000 Bitcoin Holders

2017-12-01 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Wow, the NWA 5000 Bitcoin artwork has really gone up in price.  This is 
for an unloaded Kialara pair priced at 4.25 bitcoins equaling 
$45,772.48.  The entire unloaded suite, costing only around $1,600.00 
when released a few months ago, is probably now worth over $100,000.00.


https://physicalbitcoins.co.uk/product/kialara-2015-original-gold-silver-matched-pair-22

I am glad to have invested in such a project not realizing the full 
upward potential in a secondary market.


It proves, once again, the real value of proper classification and 
provenance otherwise this lunar material would have never been 
considered for such a project.


Adam



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Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar// Fake KREEP

2017-11-26 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is unfortunate that fraudulent sales on eBay has consequences on the 
rest of market.  These days, most collectors, new to the market, start 
on eBay where they acquire their first stone.  Advanced collectors have 
learned that one fake piece can jeopardize the standing of the rest of 
their collections so demand proper documentation and provenance. 
Unfortunately, these standards don't exist on eBay which has become a 
clearing house for fakes.


I have filed a couple of NOCI forms with eBay and they did follow up 
since plagiarizing copyrighted material like Meteoritical Bulletin 
entries for an official meteorite to describe an unclassified stone is 
not tolerable.


It makes me sad to see some IMCA members, who are also acting as 
dealers, not upholding the strict standards put in place to protect 
collectors.  Code of Ethics rule number six is not being followed by 
many who promised to uphold these standards as a part of becoming a member:


***
6.I agree that unclassified 'meteorites' that have not been verified 
as meteorites might not be meteorites. I will not sell or trade any 
meteorites or any questionable meteoritic material unless I first obtain 
verification. I agree to specify verified but unclassified material as 
such in connection with any sale, trade, or other transaction related to 
the same. Meteoritical Society guidelines will prevail in the 
circumstance of meteorite naming and pairing. I understand and agree 
that, as a member, I may be required to provide further evidence to the 
Board (or other relevant I.M.C.A. Committee), including but not limited 
to: the verification process utilized for unclassified meteorites, 
and/or documentation from an approved testing institution or approved 
individual of the Board's choosing.

**


Adam

On 11/26/2017 6:18 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Adam I agree with you fully. But haven’t you learned after decades that eBay 
doesn’t give a rat’s ass about fraud? They make money on sales. All sales, even 
scams. They will never police the site.

Michael Farmer


On Nov 27, 2017, at 9:55 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Yes, counterfeits and fakes are hardly anything new.  Some counterfeit Chinese 
made medications sold in the U.S. market through national chain stores put my 
mother-in-law in the hospital for several weeks and could have resulted in her 
death.  How about counterfeit batteries that blow up in your face while talking 
on a cell phone?  How about sawdust in your baby formula or rat turds ground 
into your dog's food?

I remember having to write checks to acquire meteorites from a handful of 
dealers a few decades ago.  I had no concerns whatsoever about about them being 
fake until around 1998 when a dealer was substituting a DAG Howardite for 
Kapoeta.  This was my first encounter with fraud in meteorites and now it is so 
common place that some just take it for granted. It is a pretty sad situation.

Just because it is common place doesn't excuse anybody from engaging in the 
unsavory practice.

Adam




On 11/26/2017 5:18 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:
Fake things being sold for money. Wow color me shocked. Hardly anything new. 
What’s next? Knock-off Rolex and Prada shoes?
Come on Adam. Yes it’s terrible but hardly news. Let them get scammed. Perhaps 
they should buy from real dealers.
Michael Farmer

On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

This same seller fleeced $400.00 out of some poor collector last week:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-from-KREEP-Basalt-to-Lunar-Granite-0-4g-Moon-Breccia-Granite/222713435793?hash=item33dac15691:g:-EMAAOSwv~RZ04Hn

It is a bad sign when undocumented stones are starting to outnumber official 
material.

I have seen the same thing happen in other collectable markets.

What next, witnessed falls again?

Adam







On 11/26/2017 4:17 PM, drtanuki wrote:
Adam and List,
   There is also a seller from Taiwan selling fake Lunar KREEP. Buyer beware!Help this 
guy by "liking" his post! Thanks!
jacwon_7
https://www.ebay.com/sch/jacwon_7/m.html?item=222713434677=item33dac15235%3Ag%3AReUAAOSw2oJZ04cE=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Best Regards,
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar
Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or
flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN
This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested

Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar// Fake KREEP

2017-11-26 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Yes, counterfeits and fakes are hardly anything new.  Some counterfeit 
Chinese made medications sold in the U.S. market through national chain 
stores put my mother-in-law in the hospital for several weeks and could 
have resulted in her death.  How about counterfeit batteries that blow 
up in your face while talking on a cell phone?  How about sawdust in 
your baby formula or rat turds ground into your dog's food?


I remember having to write checks to acquire meteorites from a handful 
of dealers a few decades ago.  I had no concerns whatsoever about about 
them being fake until around 1998 when a dealer was substituting a DAG 
Howardite for Kapoeta.  This was my first encounter with fraud in 
meteorites and now it is so common place that some just take it for 
granted. It is a pretty sad situation.


Just because it is common place doesn't excuse anybody from engaging in 
the unsavory practice.


Adam



On 11/26/2017 5:18 PM, Michael Farmer wrote:

Fake things being sold for money. Wow color me shocked. Hardly anything new. 
What’s next? Knock-off Rolex and Prada shoes?
Come on Adam. Yes it’s terrible but hardly news. Let them get scammed. Perhaps 
they should buy from real dealers.

Michael Farmer


On Nov 27, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

This same seller fleeced $400.00 out of some poor collector last week:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-from-KREEP-Basalt-to-Lunar-Granite-0-4g-Moon-Breccia-Granite/222713435793?hash=item33dac15691:g:-EMAAOSwv~RZ04Hn

It is a bad sign when undocumented stones are starting to outnumber official 
material.

I have seen the same thing happen in other collectable markets.

What next, witnessed falls again?

Adam







On 11/26/2017 4:17 PM, drtanuki wrote:
Adam and List,
   There is also a seller from Taiwan selling fake Lunar KREEP. Buyer beware!Help this 
guy by "liking" his post! Thanks!
jacwon_7
https://www.ebay.com/sch/jacwon_7/m.html?item=222713434677=item33dac15235%3Ag%3AReUAAOSw2oJZ04cE=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
Best Regards,
Dirk Ross...Tokyo
________
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To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar
Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or
flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN
This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested and made official.
To me it is obvious this is not a lunar specimen but it is close enough
to fool many.  Remember, a COA is worthless without official scientific
data to back it up.  A recent national auction demonstrated that there
is simply no secondary market for undocumented, untested and unofficial
material.
Material like this only undermines collector confidence which is at an
all time low right now because of the amount of undocumented crap being
dumped onto the market.  Fake Martian material is making a comeback as well.
Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar// Fake KREEP

2017-11-26 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


This same seller fleeced $400.00 out of some poor collector last week:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-from-KREEP-Basalt-to-Lunar-Granite-0-4g-Moon-Breccia-Granite/222713435793?hash=item33dac15691:g:-EMAAOSwv~RZ04Hn

It is a bad sign when undocumented stones are starting to outnumber 
official material.


I have seen the same thing happen in other collectable markets.

What next, witnessed falls again?

Adam






On 11/26/2017 4:17 PM, drtanuki wrote:

Adam and List,
   There is also a seller from Taiwan selling fake Lunar KREEP. Buyer beware!Help this 
guy by "liking" his post! Thanks!
jacwon_7

https://www.ebay.com/sch/jacwon_7/m.html?item=222713434677=item33dac15235%3Ag%3AReUAAOSw2oJZ04cE=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Best Regards,
Dirk Ross...Tokyo

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To: metlist <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 9:04 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar



Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or

flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN


This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested and made official.

To me it is obvious this is not a lunar specimen but it is close enough

to fool many.  Remember, a COA is worthless without official scientific

data to back it up.  A recent national auction demonstrated that there

is simply no secondary market for undocumented, untested and unofficial

material.


Material like this only undermines collector confidence which is at an

all time low right now because of the amount of undocumented crap being

dumped onto the market.  Fake Martian material is making a comeback as well.


Adam

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[meteorite-list] Terrestrial Breccia Being Offered Up As Lunar

2017-11-26 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Some more terrestrial breccia lacking any kind of fusion crust or 
flight-markings being added to the huge pile being sold as lunar:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lunar-Meteorite-Breccia-37g/263346210852?hash=item3d50a84824:g:zzwAAOSwEEBaGyPN

This demonstrates the need to have every piece tested and made official. 
To me it is obvious this is not a lunar specimen but it is close enough 
to fool many.  Remember, a COA is worthless without official scientific 
data to back it up.  A recent national auction demonstrated that there 
is simply no secondary market for undocumented, untested and unofficial 
material.


Material like this only undermines collector confidence which is at an 
all time low right now because of the amount of undocumented crap being 
dumped onto the market.  Fake Martian material is making a comeback as well.


Adam
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[meteorite-list] Ad - NR Auctions Ending - Show Displays/Saw Available

2017-11-21 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have some excellent no reserve auctions ending this evening and 
tomorrow night.  I finished my my final cutting session on the world's 
highest rated and most documented lunar meteorite, NWA 5000 yesterday so 
supply is limited.


I will finish my final cutting sessions on Martian material soon and 
will have no further need for a precision Buehler Isomet Wafering saw if 
anybody is interested.  I have no plans of ever selling at any more 
shows again so if you are interested in made in the U.S.A. aluminum 
display show cases, please let me know and I will dig them out of my 
warehouse and take images of them.  I believe there are six large silver 
flat displays with glass tops still in their shipping boxes that were 
used once, one well used gold flat Arizona Case display and one very 
nice gold Arizona Case display tower with shelf and halogen lighting.


Everybody loves no reserve auctions where buyers get to set the price!


No reserve auctions ending this evening:

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Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice 1.096 grams - Over A Gram!
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Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice .792 grams - Polished Tile!
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Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice .702 grams - Two Tone!
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Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice .464 grams - Breccia!
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Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice .328 grams - Gabbro!
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Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, Good Luck,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] Ad - Auctions Ending - Must Read Special Notes!!!

2017-11-15 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

Now might be the right time to pick up some serious bargains on the 
highest rated lunar meteorite in the world.  Please see notes below 
auction links for interesting facts.



No reserve auctions ending this evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Part Slice 1.088 grams - Over A Gram!
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This Is Part Of What Makes Legendary NWA 5000 The Very Best:

Highest rated lunar meteorite in existence with a near perfect 24.8 out 
of a possible 25 points - Space Science Consulting Services


Official status recorded in the Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 93 – 1 of 72 
approved meteorites  classified as a lunar – Meteoritical Society


The most documented lunar meteorite in the world with thousands of hours 
involved in micromanaging every aspect of it including a very detailed 
website dedicated specifically to NWA 5000 – themeteoritesite


Has multiple museum provenances – Royal Ontario Museum and Yale Peabody 
Museum


Well studied with 18 peer-reviewed and published scientific papers with 
more in progress which puts it among the top of this list and it was 
only discovered ten years ago – Washington University In St. Louis


The consensus among research scientists, museums and collectors alike is 
that the aesthetic and scientific qualities of NWA 5000 are unsurpassed 
– 39th Lunar and Planetary Conference – Houston, 2008


“It is mineralogically and texturally unique among feldspathic lunar 
meteorites” which makes it extremely valuable from a scientific 
standpoint and lends a stunning 3D appearance to flat surfaces on larger 
specimens – Planetary Scientist, Randy L. Korotev, Department of Earth 
and Planetary Sciences, WUSTL


Used by NASA Apollo Astronaut and one of twelve men to walk on the Moon, 
Charlie Duke to promote future missions to the Moon – Field Museum of 
Natural History, Chicago


It is one of the rare few lunar meteorites that have no parings, even 
after ten years of searching, protecting previous and prospective 
buyer’s investment in it. - Meteoritical Bulletin


Arguably, the most desirable lunar meteorite in the world - Yale Peabody 
Museum


“NWA 5000 is a real miracle”  Scientists do not usually use terms like 
this in formal scientific abstracts but then again NWA 5000 is not usual 
by any means – Abstract no. 5231, N. Artemieva, Planetary Science, 
Institute for Dynamics of Geospheres, RAS, Russia


NWA 5000’s legendary status is guaranteed.  A Google search of Northwest 
Africa 5000 produced over one million results on an inquiry (1,120,000 
to be exact) and the abbreviated name, NWA 5000, produced an additional 
645,000 results – Google



Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, good luck,

Adam







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Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Trivia - Black Beauty Moniker

2017-11-13 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I also never put the word "The" in front of the word "Legendary", as you 
stated in your previous post, making the word "legendary" an adjective, 
not a nick name or moniker. This was done in order to qualify a noun.


I understand structural rules in forming sentences in the English language.

Adam

On 11/13/2017 3:37 PM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

"The meaning of nick names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while 
official names will stand the test of time."

So you're planning to stop calling NWA 5000, "The Legendary, NWA 5000"?

;-)   ;-)

John






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On 11/13/17 at 5:05 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


An interesting piece of trivia:

Did you know that the nickname "Black Beauty" originated with a
completely different Martian meteorite 9 years before NWA 7034 was
announced. Black Beauty was also used as a moniker to describe a fall
within months of when NWA 7034 was made official.

Supporting documentation:
https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/newsroom/pressreleases/20030212c.html

NWA 1460:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1460=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=32318

This demonstrates the need to use official classification nomenclature
used to describe officially studied meteorites. The meaning of nick
names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while official
names will stand the test of time.

Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting Trivia - Black Beauty Moniker

2017-11-13 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


John,

I use the official name, "NWA 5000" in all of my descriptions.  I cannot 
help that it is also legendary.


Here are a few monikers for NWA 5000; "The Rock", "Cosmic Masterpiece", 
"NWA5K" and "Monolith Monster"


Do you think these nick names will have any meaning a few years from 
now?  That is the reason I put either Northwest Africa 5000 or NWA 5000 
on the descriptions and ID cards.  I certainly never plagiarize 
copyrighted material used to describe other meteorites.


Adam






On 11/13/2017 3:37 PM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

"The meaning of nick names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while 
official names will stand the test of time."

So you're planning to stop calling NWA 5000, "The Legendary, NWA 5000"?

;-)   ;-)

John






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On 11/13/17 at 5:05 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


An interesting piece of trivia:

Did you know that the nickname "Black Beauty" originated with a
completely different Martian meteorite 9 years before NWA 7034 was
announced. Black Beauty was also used as a moniker to describe a fall
within months of when NWA 7034 was made official.

Supporting documentation:
https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/newsroom/pressreleases/20030212c.html

NWA 1460:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1460=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=32318

This demonstrates the need to use official classification nomenclature
used to describe officially studied meteorites. The meaning of nick
names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while official
names will stand the test of time.

Adam

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[meteorite-list] Interesting Trivia - Black Beauty Moniker

2017-11-13 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


An interesting piece of trivia:

Did you know that the nickname "Black Beauty" originated with a 
completely different Martian meteorite 9 years before NWA 7034 was 
announced. Black Beauty was also used as a moniker to describe a fall 
within months of when NWA 7034 was made official.


Supporting documentation:
https://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/newsroom/pressreleases/20030212c.html

NWA 1460:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1460=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=32318

This demonstrates the need to use official classification nomenclature 
used to describe officially studied meteorites. The meaning of nick 
names or monikers will be lost in a generation or two, while official 
names will stand the test of time.


Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Clarification Of A Clarification

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Anne,

There is a difference between the terms defaulting and stealing. 
Stealing is a criminal term and defaulting is a civil one.  I never used 
the word stealing so please do not put words in my mouth.  I also never 
admitted to using faulty information either as you state but will not 
post word of mouth statements in the future since they are only as 
reliable as the person supplying them and one has to rely on memory to 
recount them. I agree that written statements are always better.


I was publicly accused of self-pairing and "Gaslighting" by the person 
you are trying to defend who injected himself into the debate with these 
false accusations and this was not the first time.  Anne, where is your 
concern for others reputations that were accuse of similar things, by 
the same person, which are well documented in the archives?  I am not 
asking for an apology but if it makes this situation right,


I apologize.

Adam



On 11/9/2017 4:37 PM, Anne Black wrote:

Adam,

On behalf of probably quite a few people, thank you for your not-very-clear 
Clarification of a Clarification. And for admitting that you used faulty 
information to accuse someone of stealing.
However we all live in a world where trust is everything and where someone's 
reputation can be wrecked by one single email, so this is not enough.
You accused someone of stealing Publicly, now you need to take back that 
accusation and apologize just as Publicly.

It is only fair.

Anne M. Black
IMPACTIKA.com


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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Clarification Of A Clarification

I was asked how this information was "conveyed" to me and to clarify the phrase "This information was conveyed to me at a later date."This information was conveyed to me by word of 
mouth without supporting documentation by a person who claimed to have first-hand knowledge and involvement in the deal.I am not interested in addressing syntax-semantics any further since it could easily 
escalate into a sub-debate not related to meteorites,AdamOn 11/7/2017 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:> > In an attempt to be as clear as possible, I must clarify a statement I > 
posted to the list on November 5th:> > The statement below which was made during the debate that escalated into > arguments, was not clearly articulated and could be taken as a single > event, 
when in actuality, it was two:> > > The complaint against you, on the other hand, about self-pairing a Black > Beauty 
stone, which was never paid for according to the seller, resulted > in a different outcome.> > > > The part that reads 
"which was never paid for according to the seller" > was a qualifying statement in regards to the stone and not part of the > original self-pairing complaint to the IMCA.  This information 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Clarification Of A Clarification

2017-11-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I was asked how this information was "conveyed" to me and to clarify the 
phrase "This information was conveyed to me at a later date."


This information was conveyed to me by word of mouth without supporting 
documentation by a person who claimed to have first-hand knowledge and 
involvement in the deal.


I am not interested in addressing syntax-semantics any further since it 
could easily escalate into a sub-debate not related to meteorites,


Adam




On 11/7/2017 6:06 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:


In an attempt to be as clear as possible, I must clarify a statement I 
posted to the list on November 5th:


The statement below which was made during the debate that escalated into 
arguments, was not clearly articulated and could be taken as a single 
event, when in actuality, it was two:



The complaint against you, on the other hand, about self-pairing a Black 
Beauty stone, which was never paid for according to the seller, resulted 
in a different outcome.




The part that reads "which was never paid for according to the seller" 
was a qualifying statement in regards to the stone and not part of the 
original self-pairing complaint to the IMCA.  This information was 
conveyed to me at a later date.


The IMCA doesn't consider complaints about non-paying parties that 
default on agreements.


Adam
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[meteorite-list] Clarification

2017-11-07 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



In an attempt to be as clear as possible, I must clarify a statement I 
posted to the list on November 5th:


The statement below which was made during the debate that escalated into 
arguments, was not clearly articulated and could be taken as a single 
event, when in actuality, it was two:



The complaint against you, on the other hand, about self-pairing a Black 
Beauty stone, which was never paid for according to the seller, resulted 
in a different outcome.




The part that reads "which was never paid for according to the seller" 
was a qualifying statement in regards to the stone and not part of the 
original self-pairing complaint to the IMCA.  This information was 
conveyed to me at a later date.


The IMCA doesn't consider complaints about non-paying parties that 
default on agreements.


Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

hing you want to that analysis, essentially without 
scrutiny.  This has led to a fair amount of misrepresented material in 
circulation, from "NWA 869," to the mix-and-match Martian and Lunar 
pairings of recent years.


Nomenclature Committee guidelines haven't been followed since NWA 
meteorites were in the single digits, by you or anyone else.  As John 
Shea said before, pairing material at one's discretion is only as 
reliable as the dealer doing it.


Jason







On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:



Thank you for the last word and the concern for my reputation. 
These piggy-backing and self-pairing debates have gone on long

before you became in interested in meteorites.

My advice, since you are a member, is to read the IMCA bylaws which
are all about authenticity and adhering to Meteoritical Society
rules which do not support piggy-backing and self-pairing.

Adam





On 11/4/2017 10:20 AM, Martin Goff wrote:

Adam,

I am more than comfortable with my reputation and what I have
contributed to the world of meteorites. I don't need to blow
smoke up
my arse or have the need to constantly have others prop up my
fragile
ego. As for your opinion of me, well it's quite obvious I could not
care a jot what your opinion is, it is meaningless to me as it is to
most! (a fact that is backed up by all of the messages I've had in
private :-)) And as for calling you out,  whether on this list or on
Facebook, how you can state that that is 'behind your back' just
shows
your levels of paranoid delusion! This list and facebook are both
public forums and I am more than happy to speak my mind on either!

And as for the rest of your garbled message, if it was actually
coherent, readable and understandable then I might be able to
reply..

But, as Johannes says folk are here to talk about meteorites so I
won't bore them by responding further. However I'm more than
sure that
you'll want to have the final word and cement your reputation as
someone who is losing the plot by clambering onto your rickety
soapbox
and ranting further whilst dribbling into your bib..

Cheers

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk <http://www.msg-meteorites.co.uk>
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387



On 4 Nov 2017 16:50, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
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<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:


A none answer is still an answer.  I will take it that you
have made no contributions in the short time you have been
into meteorites.

Here are a few quotes from you about me on Facebook from
Martin Goff; "He is pompous prick! Just dissing everyone
else to try and keep the crown on NWA 5000" and, "He keeps
on saying he is leaving meteorites and most folk wish he'd
just do as he says."  I wont post the latest comments on
Facebook since they are mainly posted by dealers and
demonstrate high level of immaturity.  Talking behind
somebodies back is a sign cowardice, a trait wherein fear
and excessive self concern override good judgement.

You and others have an interest in Black Beauty may be one
reasons you are speaking out.  Collectors deserve to know
that are thousands of grams of this material being held back
and not reported.

Curious minds want to know what contributions you have made
giving you the right questions others true colors?

There are dust makers and dust eaters.

Adam



On 11/4/2017 9:24 AM, Martin Goff wrote:


Adam, if  you weren't blinded by pomposity and your own
bloated sense
of self worth then you'd know exactly what my
contributions were/are
to the meteorite community. Your inflated sense of self
importance and
continued self stimulation of blowing your own trumpet
means that as
Jason says, people will call you out. If it wasn't for
your continued
bullshit spout out to this list folk would just ignore
you, as they
have for years..

Cheers

Martin

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



Thank you for the last word and the concern for my reputation.  These 
piggy-backing and self-pairing debates have gone on long before you 
became in interested in meteorites.


My advice, since you are a member, is to read the IMCA bylaws which are 
all about authenticity and adhering to Meteoritical Society rules which 
do not support piggy-backing and self-pairing.


Adam




On 11/4/2017 10:20 AM, Martin Goff wrote:

Adam,

I am more than comfortable with my reputation and what I have
contributed to the world of meteorites. I don't need to blow smoke up
my arse or have the need to constantly have others prop up my fragile
ego. As for your opinion of me, well it's quite obvious I could not
care a jot what your opinion is, it is meaningless to me as it is to
most! (a fact that is backed up by all of the messages I've had in
private :-)) And as for calling you out,  whether on this list or on
Facebook, how you can state that that is 'behind your back' just shows
your levels of paranoid delusion! This list and facebook are both
public forums and I am more than happy to speak my mind on either!

And as for the rest of your garbled message, if it was actually
coherent, readable and understandable then I might be able to
reply..

But, as Johannes says folk are here to talk about meteorites so I
won't bore them by responding further. However I'm more than sure that
you'll want to have the final word and cement your reputation as
someone who is losing the plot by clambering onto your rickety soapbox
and ranting further whilst dribbling into your bib..

Cheers

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387



On 4 Nov 2017 16:50, "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list"
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


A none answer is still an answer.  I will take it that you have made no 
contributions in the short time you have been into meteorites.

Here are a few quotes from you about me on Facebook from Martin Goff; "He is pompous prick! 
Just dissing everyone else to try and keep the crown on NWA 5000" and, "He keeps on 
saying he is leaving meteorites and most folk wish he'd just do as he says."  I wont post 
the latest comments on Facebook since they are mainly posted by dealers and demonstrate high level 
of immaturity.  Talking behind somebodies back is a sign cowardice, a trait wherein fear and 
excessive self concern override good judgement.

You and others have an interest in Black Beauty may be one reasons you are 
speaking out.  Collectors deserve to know that are thousands of grams of this 
material being held back and not reported.

Curious minds want to know what contributions you have made giving you the 
right questions others true colors?

There are dust makers and dust eaters.

Adam



On 11/4/2017 9:24 AM, Martin Goff wrote:


Adam, if  you weren't blinded by pomposity and your own bloated sense
of self worth then you'd know exactly what my contributions were/are
to the meteorite community. Your inflated sense of self importance and
continued self stimulation of blowing your own trumpet means that as
Jason says, people will call you out. If it wasn't for your continued
bullshit spout out to this list folk would just ignore you, as they
have for years..

Cheers

Martin


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

A none answer is still an answer.  I will take it that you have made no 
contributions in the short time you have been into meteorites.


Here are a few quotes from you about me on Facebook from Martin Goff; 
"He is pompous prick! Just dissing everyone else to try and keep the 
crown on NWA 5000" and, "He keeps on saying he is leaving meteorites and 
most folk wish he'd just do as he says."  I wont post the latest 
comments on Facebook since they are mainly posted by dealers and 
demonstrate high level of immaturity.  Talking behind somebodies back is 
a sign cowardice, a trait wherein fear and excessive self concern 
override good judgement.


You and others have an interest in Black Beauty may be one reasons you 
are speaking out.  Collectors deserve to know that are thousands of 
grams of this material being held back and not reported.


Curious minds want to know what contributions you have made giving you 
the right questions others true colors?


There are dust makers and dust eaters.

Adam


On 11/4/2017 9:24 AM, Martin Goff wrote:

Adam, if  you weren't blinded by pomposity and your own bloated sense
of self worth then you'd know exactly what my contributions were/are
to the meteorite community. Your inflated sense of self importance and
continued self stimulation of blowing your own trumpet means that as
Jason says, people will call you out. If it wasn't for your continued
bullshit spout out to this list folk would just ignore you, as they
have for years..

Cheers

Martin


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-04 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Wow, such animosity.  I am comfortable with my true colors if it means 
exposing less than honorable behavior that diminishes our avocation.  It 
is interesting that the same people always speak out, here and on Facebook.


Perhaps Martin and John can fill us all in on their contributions to the 
meteorite collecting community?


I am sure list members would love to know.

Adam




On 11/4/2017 8:51 AM, Martin Goff via Meteorite-list wrote:

Johannes,

Adam's true colours were revealed a long time ago which is why
everyone ignores his rants here on the metlist. He likes the sound of
his own voice and stands on his soapbox and shouts into empty space.
He is a hypocrit who is under the illusion that what he thinks and
says is somehow respected whereas the truth is that very few respect
him and a lot of new collectors haven't a clue who he even is!  He is
no longer relavent and hasn't been for many years. Just ignore him,
everyone else does ..

Cheers

Martin

Martin Goff
www.msg-meteorites.co.uk
International Meteorite Collectors Association (IMCA) member #3387

On 4 Nov 2017 02:45, "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
 wrote:


It's too late to take the high road, Adam.
Your true colors have been revealed.



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On 11/3/17 at 9:42 PM, Adam Hupe wrote:


John,

Posting private emails to the list is against the rules and in poor
taste.  I have wasted enough time with endless debates in the past with
this individual.

Gain some character and a moral compass.  Piggy-backing and self-pairing
are not alright with honest dealers and collectors who take the extra
steps to insure authenticity above all else.

Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


John,

Posting private emails to the list is against the rules and in poor 
taste.  I have wasted enough time with endless debates in the past with 
this individual.


Gain some character and a moral compass.  Piggy-backing and self-pairing 
are not alright with honest dealers and collectors who take the extra 
steps to insure authenticity above all else.


Adam

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I reported every single stone in the NWA 1110 Martian pairing which
amounted to several dozen. I cleaned each individual and made sure the
classifying scientist examined each and every one of them after a type
specimen was submitted. Then an image was taken of the entire lot and
submitted to the Nomenclature Committee. I generally avoid pairings
since they are so troublesome and are piggy-backed constantly. Over ten
lazy dealers self-paired to NWA 1110 which was an official pairing in
itself. Do you think this is fair to honest dealers who do all the heavy
lifting and follow the rules?

Image of entire NWA 1110 lot:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/get_original_photo.php?recno=5631053

Bulletin entry:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=NWA+1110=namescontains=50=ge==All=name=All=All===0=Normal%20table=17124

Remember, that a so-called meteorite "dealer" went to jail for
piggy-backing and self-classification of stones which turned out to be
terrestrial. Now that he is out, he is filling out whistle blower forms
with the IRS on meteorite dealers in the United States in hopes of
collecting a 15% reward.

Stones that are are self-paired carry a lot of risk,

Adam

On 11/3/2017 10:16 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

"Self-pairing is a slippery slope. Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to classify
their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable sector to fraud."

Hence my condition that the seller needs to be "reliable". A subjective term,
yes, but it is impossible to formally pair every stone. If that were the expectation from
collectors then very little material would change hands... Also, that is the slippery
slope we live on. The only slope we live on. More on this below...

"Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight is really
available."

Black Beauty sells high because it's an interesting classification, not because
of low TKW... Low TKW alone is not a great motivating factor for collectors.

"Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to report
accurate weights and number of stones."

Report to who? Report by who? I can't call up the MetSoc and say, "Hey I found ten
more pieces of BB. Add these 80g to the TKW." It doesn't work that way. Not every
specimen can come in form of an 11.53kg single mass with no pairings... ;-) If I want to
formally pair ten pieces as paired to the original BB, all ten of them need to be
studied, and have a classification written for them. What if 9 of them weigh less than
4g? Who's going to sacrifice 20% plus another 1g for a thin section plus cut loss of
those 9 specimens weighing less than 4g that they paid 500$/g to a Moroccan merchant?
Apply that same logic to every other DCA worldwide and you'll need a workforce of
scientists that cannot exist, all trained to handle the load of pairings.

We don't live in the reality where every piece of meteorite that should be
formally paired can actually get formally paired, and I doubt we ever did or
ever will. We live in the reality where buyers and dealers are responsible for
deciding whether or not they are really buying BB (or any other specific
classification) when they are buying a specimen that hasn't been formally
paired. If they can't do that, then they should only buy from people who they
consider trustworthy.

Stepping off my soapbox...

Have a good one.
John

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On 11/3/17 at 10:51 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

Self-pairing is a slippery slope. Allowing laymen/dealers/Moroccans to
classify their own stones opens up the entire meteorite collectable
sector to fraud. One just needs to see the damage it created with
Martian meteorites a few years ago when collector confidence was at an
all-time low in regards to material from Mars.

Collectors deserve to know what they are getting and how much by weight
is really available. "Black Beauty" is an example of where, if the real
TKW where known, it would fetch only a fraction of its current price.
The recorded amount doesn't come close to how much is really available.

Unfair trade practices are at an all-time high when "dealers" fail to
report accurate weights and number of stones. Self-pairing,
piggybacking and bypassing all of the protections provided to collectors
by skipping established classification protocols places the entire
market in jeopardy.

Adam

On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

It is common and even justifiable for people to be attached to the concept of
formal pairings and classification for specimens, particularly when they pride
themselves on selling specimens of a well known classification.

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just as important as
what you are buying. If the source is r

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Adam

On 11/3/2017 5:25 AM, Bigjohn Shea wrote:

Sorta feels like we are rehashing an old topic in a new form here...

However, like most items in the world of collectibles, who you buy from is just as important as
what you are buying. If the source is reliable, then the "self-pairing", or
"probable pairing" can obviously be trusted.

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

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On 11/3/17 at 3:34 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list wrote:

How could it possibly be the main mass when it is claimed to be part of
the NWA 8455 "clan" which consists of 15 names under its many pairings?
The single NWA 8455 stone was reported to weigh 2,814 grams which would
make it the current "main mass" of this pairing group.

This also doesn't explain why much more than 3 complete stones reported
under the La'gad pairing have been placed on the market. The TKW of this
pairing was supposed to be only 338 grams yet this amount has been
greatly exceeded.

It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the
market using the La'gad nomenclature. There are many keeping track of
what is being offered.

Adam

On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

Thank you, Peter, for posting again (for a 2nd time) the link to the MBD entry
for the La'gad meteorite.
It was a simple, but polite, way to point out that all of the questions that
have been asked about this meteorite have their answers in that entry.

It shouldn't be necessary, but now that the dust-up has settled, I feel
compelled to clear away any lingering misconceptions:
there is no question, this is the La'gad meteorite
there is no question who the classifier is, nor what is the classification
there is no question who found this meteorite, or where it was found
there is no question who owns this meteorite
there is no question at all about the provenance of this meteorite
there is no question that this is the main-mass of the La'gad meteorite.

The stone in the auction weighs 171grams and has had a sample cut from it,
other wise it would weigh 186.24grams. This matches the MBD entry.
Having the stone called-out in the MBD and having it be the main-mass, and
having the type-specimen be from that mass, is a premium for collectors.
Having the coords recorded in the MBD and having a name (like La'gad) and not a
number is a premium for collectors, as well.

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition
to any collection.
Bob V.

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>:

La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-03 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It appears unclassified (self-paired) stones have been placed on the
market using the La'gad nomenclature. There are many keeping track of
what is being offered.

Adam

On 11/3/2017 12:40 AM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:

Taking everything into consideration, this Lunar would be a positive addition
to any collection.
Bob V.

On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎18‎:‎45‎ ‎PM, Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list wrote:

Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list :

La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I looked through the catalog and was shocked to see unclassified and 
unnamed stones being offered up as lunar and Martian meteorites!  Wow, 
the consignor must have saved a lot by completely bypassing the 
classification process.  Just throw out a worthless COA instead!


In the case of the La'gad stone, it looks as if somebody may be 
confusing the red caliche deposited by Long-term weathering for crust. 
Also the window displays saw marks! What ever happened to pride in 
workmanship?


Adam




On 11/2/2017 4:06 PM, Robert Verish wrote:



Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
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La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
<bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to th

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



I think there may be something amiss here when several dozen stones were 
offered under La'gad name when only three are listed with a TKW of only 
338 grams.  This leads to the question; who studied this exact stone?


Self-pairings are so prevalent these days that prospective buyers have 
the right to know the exact provenance.


Adam



On 11/2/2017 4:06 PM, Robert Verish wrote:



Just the sound of crickets, and of the flies buzzing over the bait

https://tinyurl.com/Any-ques  ... tions?

David S. Pumpkins




On ‎Thursday‎, ‎November‎ ‎02‎, ‎2017‎ ‎03‎:‎34‎:‎49‎ ‎PM, Adam Hupe via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:






La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?

Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
<bolidecha...@yahoo.com> wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
online-version for your convenience at this link:

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-P

Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Interesting, I typed it into the Meteoritical Bulletin search site and 
nothing shows up:


Here is the link I used:
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php

In any case, how much of it is really out there? Only three stones 
weighing a total of 338 grams is recorded.


Adam




On 11/2/2017 3:38 PM, Peter Marmet wrote:


Adam Hupe wrote via Meteorite-list 
>:


La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution 
or scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or 
self-paired?


https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=63189

Cheers,
Peter


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lots of Gold and Meteorites on Heritage Auctions

2017-11-02 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



La'gad doesn't show up in the Meteoritical Bulletin. What institution or 
scientist examined this exact specimen or is it unofficial or self-paired?


Adam



On 11/2/2017 3:07 PM, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list wrote:



I had the honor and the pleasure (while they were temporarily in my possession) 
of personally examining up-close some of the meteorites in this auction that 
are from Western Sahara.  I am no longer in possession of any of the meteorites 
in this auction.  All of these specimens from Western Sahara appear in the 
Meteoritical Bulletin where all of the coordinates, masses (and the number of 
pieces) and the owners are listed.  All of the specimens from Western Sahara in 
this auction can be considered the official main masses.

For clarity, where I may have relevant experience or have information that is 
additional to what appears in the MBD or the auction description, I may feel 
compelled to share those facts (some of you may remember, this List was 
originally an educational, information-sharing forum).  For instance:
I feel compelled to clarify the description for the La'gad specimen in this 
auction:

https://preview.tinyurl.com/La-gad

Where the description states, "this specimen exhibits an irregular exterior with no 
fusion crust", I would disagree and instead add that the images depict a 
relict-fusion-crust where the surface is smoothly curving, it represents the original 
ablated exterior of the La'gad meteorite.  The only evidence remaining that this surface 
was once covered in glassy fusion-crust is the iron-stained palagonite clay, the 
end-product of devitrified glass.  This is not a carbonate, and it is distinct from the 
iron-stained caliche that is typically found in the crevices of most of the Lunar 
specimens from this locality.
The surface that was fusion-crusted may be more apparent in this Randy Korotev 
image:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/stones/nwa8455_files/image030.jpg

So, to all of you who have expressed an interest in Western Sahara meteorites, 
thank you for giving me an opportunity to write on this subject.
And, at the risk of sounding like "David S. Pumpkins",  "Any questions?"
http://knowyourmeme.com/news/nbc-announces-animated-david-s-pumpkins-halloween-special
Bob V.




On ‎Wednesday‎, ‎November‎ ‎01‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎23‎:‎41‎ ‎PM, Luther Jackson via 
Meteorite-list  wrote:





What’s your involvement in this auction Bob, just to be clear?

Luther
UK



On 11/1/17, Robert Verish via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

There is a Eucrite in this auction that may look familiar, and I don't mean
because it looks like Bierschinken.  It is NWA 7496 --
and here is where you have seen it before:

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/mugshots/nwa_7496_polymict_eucrite.htm
All photos by Randy L. Korotev

And it made an appearance in the textbook titled, "Asteroids":
http://bit.ly/2hvLJuD   -- as well as, here:  http://bit.ly/2ioeRn5

And here, as well:  http://meteorites.superforum.fr/t6532p25-bonjour-a-tous

Although this "pin-up girl" of a Eucrite is a numbered NWA, it has published
GPS coordinates that show it was found in the country of Western Sahara.

Enjoy,
Bob V.

---
On ‎Tuesday‎, ‎October‎ ‎24‎, ‎2017‎ ‎06‎:‎49‎:‎48‎ ‎PM, Robert Verish
 wrote:


I just received my copies of the Heritage Nature & Science Auction
catalog.  The photography is stunning.  There are so many items and the
images are so large, they had to make two separate catalogs:  one catalog
for all of the gold nuggets, gemstones, and fine minerals -- and in the
other, are the many meteorites.

Unlike most of the more recent auctions in which the Lunar and Martian
specimens are slices, there are some sizeable whole stones of planetary
material here.

You may want to add this to your calendar:

2017 November 4 Nature & Science Signature Auction - Dallas  #5324
https://fineart.ha.com/c/auction-home.zx?saleNo=5324

Although it pales in comparison to the hardcopy catalogue, there is an
online-version for your convenience at this link:

https://fineart.ha.com/c/ecatalog.zx?saleNo=5324=CatalogHome-AucType-PrintedCatalogViewer-071515

I found it to be an educational read.  I hope you find it to be enjoyable.

Bob V.
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[meteorite-list] Ad - No Reserve Auctions Ending - Great Stuff!

2017-10-31 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have some great pieces of NWA 5000 Real Lunar Material ending at 
auction this evening and tomorrow night.  All were started at just 99 
cents with no reserve.  Now is the time to buy since the price is low 
and is just starting to recover, at least on pre-NWA 7000 pieces that 
predate 2012.  Buyers are getting more picky about what they place in 
their collections and realize there is no secondary market for the new 
material outside of eBay.


I may start selling officially classified Martian meteorites again since 
they have mostly recovered from the market flood of a few years ago 
where most of the material being offered was unstudied and self-paired. 
This is what is happening in the Lunar market today. If the real total 
weights and self-paired stones were known, Martian material would easily 
exceed Lunar meteorites by weight which has always been the case in the 
past.  Take the he top Martian offering for example, NWA 7034 (Black 
Beauty), with its many pairings, only has a reported weight of around 
1,600 grams when everybody knows much more exists.  Who knows what price 
it would bring if the real Total Known Weight was reported?


No Reserve auctions ending this evening:

NWA 5000 .902 gram part slice with clast!:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142550112469?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .688 gram part slice - Beautiful Breccia:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142550109327?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .580 gram part slice - Dark Breccia:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142550106650?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .504 gram part slice - Shocked:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142550104439?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .410 gram part slice - Nice:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202091872864?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .290 gram part slice = Breccia Mantle:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202091871974?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 1.0 gram pure cutting dust:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202091869567?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649


No Reserve auctions ending tomorrow night:

NWA 5000 1.078 gram part slice - Over A Gram - Gorgeous:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142551464280?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .740 gram part slice - Very Nice:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142551463782?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .654 gram part slice - Good Specimen:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/142551463235?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .574 gram part slice - Rare Black Clast:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202093118225?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .412 gram part slice - Neat Breccia:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202093117105?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 .314 gram part slice - Decent Specimen:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202093116234?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

NWA 5000 1.0 gram pure cutting dust:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/202093114956?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, good luck,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending - Best Of The Best

2017-10-24 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

Now may be the time to consider adding the best of the best, NWA 5000 to 
your collection. There is a very limited amount left after establishing 
itself on the market for the last ten years.  It has steadily held its 
price on eBay up until the last few months.  In secondary markets, the 
price of NWA 5000 has actually increased unlike eBay where some recently 
found stones are being dumped after many "dealers" realized they made a 
bad investment.  Why settle for undocumented, crustless or unstudied 
weathered pieces when you can own the very best? Now is the time to get 
the get bargain prices on the best of the best, why settle for less?



NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Auctions Ending This Evening With No Reserve:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202084447260?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/202084446069?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/20208990?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142542864893?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142542864169?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142542862698?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/202084436419?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 




Nice NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Specimens Ending Tomorrow Night With No 
Reserve:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/142543773007?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/202085340557?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142543770853?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142543770081?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/202085338312?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142543767085?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 



https://www.ebay.com/itm/142543765336?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

Thank you for looking and if you are bidding,  good luck,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] AD - No Reserve Auctions Ending - The Best!

2017-10-17 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have several no reserve auction on NWA 5000 Genuine Lunar Meteorite 
specimens ending tonight and tomorrow evening.  NWA 5000 is the highest 
rated lunar meteorite in the world, is unique, has no pairings, is 
well-studied, is fresh and most importantly, you know what you are 
getting.  You get to set the price on these awesome specimens!


No Reserve Auctions Ending Tonight:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.000 grams Lot - 
Fragments/Part Slices  http://r.ebay.com/PGeDTj


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .742 grams - Fresh Breccia! 
http://r.ebay.com/pIRwbv


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .638 grams - Nice! 
http://r.ebay.com/PlQaYD


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .526 grams - Metal! 
http://r.ebay.com/yP7kPt


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .442 grams - Shock Vein! 
http://r.ebay.com/WEucIP


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .312 grams - Neat! 
http://r.ebay.com/Orye8r


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/NrlP9j


No Reserve Auctions Ending Tomorrow Evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.000 grams Lot - Fragments 
/Part Slices! http://r.ebay.com/T03jiZ


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .760 grams - 3D Mantles! 
http://r.ebay.com/4y0mGi


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .684 grams - Black Clast! 
http://r.ebay.com/dfJeZL


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .576 grams - Shock Area 
Reserve! http://r.ebay.com/WBWQR7


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .486 grams - Clean! 
http://r.ebay.com/wWlF3V


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .360 grams - Micro Breccia! 
http://r.ebay.com/7M54RG


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust!! 
http://r.ebay.com/nfpcS8



Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
IMCA 2185





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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

2017-10-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



Your emails have been posting to the List thus the response.  Let me 
turn it around,  What have you done for and what can you do for this 
great avocation besides casting a chilling effect on posts by attempting 
to turn them into arguments?


UNESCO was not involved with meteorites until after 2000.  I saw what 
influence UNESCO had on treasure hunting in the 1980s.  Meteorite 
Hunting is a barely alive form of treasure hunting thus the connection. 
I was actively involved with the treasure hunting community for decades 
before it went nearly extinct. I became involved in the meteorite 
hunting aspect of treasure hunting much later in the 1990s. I 
volunteered my time and served two terms on the IMCA board.  Perhaps you 
could make a difference.  Every little bit helps.


Adam



On 10/12/2017 6:03 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


I was ok with the same personal email to me but since you posted
to the list

I agree with one sentance--"For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,"

So, when you became aware (1980's) of Unesco's possible implications to
meteorite hunting/ownership did you enact any actions or legislation to Protect
anyone/anything?

What Knowledgeable information would you impart to this list on the recent
decision to remove the US from Unesco?

What Accurate information would you be willing to impart to this list on the
ramifications/advantages of our withdrawal from Unesco Regarding Meteorites.

Remember--knowledge and accurate information are key.

John

  


- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "meteorite- >> metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who
think long-term.

I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.

I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.

I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st
amendment rights to express this.

For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:




And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it

So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.

Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.

Do you see how stupid this is getting.

Adam-please


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To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.

Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may h

Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

2017-10-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is obvious to most that making people aware of UNESCO and what 
effects it may have on our avocation is important, at least to those who 
think long-term.


I was first made aware of UNESCOs influence on treasure hunting in the 
1980s.  The late and Great, Richard Norton first pointed out to me what 
influence the Douglass Schmitt paper that ties meteorites to UNESCO and 
ownership laws had on meteorite hunters and collectors.


I am just spreading the knowledge.  You cannot protect yourself against 
things you know nothing about thus the update.  Some long-term thinkers 
are probably relieved by the News Article while others simply do not care.


I do see how stupid this is getting to use your terms.  If disbursing 
information is not helpful in your opinion, then it is within your 1st 
amendment rights to express this.


For me, knowledge and accurate information are key,

Adam




On 10/12/2017 4:46 PM, John Lutzon wrote:




And, How are You protecting meteorite collecting?
To protect is to do something--not post News articles.
What I got from this post is -- something Of Yours
was lost and lazy diggers did bad  -- ok, we all got it

So, what is your point--other than pointing out that things
don't always go well.

Maybe you would like to talk about how ancient cultures
desercrated iron meteorites by making tools? Maybe you
could sue them.

Do you see how stupid this is getting.

Adam-please


- Original Message -
From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray.
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.

Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.........
Not personal BS.

Respect, John




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To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.

Adam


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2017-10-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I am trying to protect the avocation of meteorite collecting.  I saw my 
last hobby, "Treasure Hunting" which I was engaged in since 1975 
completely destroyed by those that thought they were above the fray. 
The lack of respect for laws and rules resulted in most lands being 
taken off limits.  Lazy hunters who left holes behind where kids could 
break their ankles was the start of the end for amateur treasure hunters 
who left land in better condition then when the entered by removing trash.


Meteorite hunting and collecting is being threatened every day.

UNESCO is just one of many examples,

Adam





On 10/12/2017 2:57 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


So much wasted intellect.
My opinion is you could be doing/helping so many people in the
meteoritic community but it "seems" you feel persecuted because
of opinions towards you on the Internet -- this is The World WIDE WEB.
Last I checked--it is not a prosecutable crime to express your Opinion
whether on the internet or not.

However, there is the "chilling effect law" which is prosecutable.
IE: "where speech or conduct is supressed by fear of penalization".

"{Remember what you say is permanently recorded and can be used
against you in a court of law.}" ["Adam Hupe"]. Bad road to go down.

I don't care for what people say about me and good god what they may
think of me--hell, I keep going and I don't have 1/10 of your expertise.

As you may have surmised, I don't care for threatening stupid talk.

All I Really want are discussions about METEORITES.
Not personal BS.

Respect, John




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From: "Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
To: "metlist" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2017 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO


Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to
meteorites in PDF format:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.

It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this,
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.

Adam


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Re: [meteorite-list] U.S to Withdraw From UNESCO

2017-10-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Here is the infamous Douglass Schmitt paper that tied UNESCO to 
meteorites in PDF format:


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2002.tb00897.x/pdf

By the way, some people do not think that I see what is posted in 
Facebook.  Even though I do not subscribe to Facebook, I record anything 
that pertains to me for future reference.  Remember what you say is 
permanently recorded and can be used against you in a court of law.


It seems some dealers do not like what I have to say about piggy backers 
and tailgaters. I even had an Original Dealer (OD) violate a 
long-standing agreement we had by mentioning my name. Note only this, 
there are a few newbie dealers who feel the need to badmouth me and have 
reduced themselves to name calling. It is interesting that dealers that 
have something to hide are usually the cowards to post in other forums 
not realizing that it upsets the majority of collectors and honest 
dealers who follow the rules and demand provenance.


Adam


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2017-10-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It looks like the U.S. will be withdrawing from politically motivated 
UNESCO which has oversteps its bounds.  You may recall that even though 
meteorites were never mentioned in the rules (laws?) which were later 
twisted to include them as cultural objects and antiques.


http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/12/politics/unesco-us-withdraw/index.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-10 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

I am not interested in starting another pairing wars argument. The 
archive is full of these discussions.  In the past, I pointing out those 
who were self-pairing, piggy-backing and stealing nomenclature from 
official classifications I was involved with.  Many dealers thought they 
were entitled to piggyback my hard work and I let them know that what 
they were doing is nothing short of fraud. Piggybacking also has a 
negative effect on collectors who do not want undocumented stones 
competing with officially classified specimens in their collections. 
This widespread and unsavory practice hurts honest dealers and 
collectors alike.


Simply posting a bulletin entry is not enough.  The name of the person 
who submitted the specimens must match or a chain of custody to that 
name must be clearly spelled out for provenance purposes. The number of 
stones listed in the bulletin cannot be exceeded and weights all need to 
be in alignment.


In my case, yes, I posted links to the bulletin where my name was 
mentioned so the chain of custody was unbroken and well-established. 
This is not the case for most planetary listings on eBay.


Lazy and dishonest Dealers who take shortcuts and bypass protocol are 
driving honest people away.


Who would want to pass down or inherit an undocumented stone thinking it 
is planetary to find out later, it is a terrestrial breccia?  Our 
actions now will be remembered well into the future.  What kind of 
legacy do you want to leave behind?


Life only happens once and there is no time for rehearsal so you better 
do things the best you can the first time.


Adam


On 10/10/2017 4:00 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list wrote:
You say"It is up to dealers to prove what they are selling is 
legitimate, not collectors/buyers after the transaction.  Why should a 
buyer have to ask for provenance and the chain of custody directly to 
the person named in a Meteoritical Bulletin? It is up to dealers to 
provide this information up front.  Who in their right mind would pay 
top dollar for untested and unclassified stones being put on the market 
as planetary pieces?"


The answer to that is that you would Adamthat is exactly how you 
first bought in numerous rare pieces from NWA and then got them 
classified and published. You then sell them with a link to the Bulletin 
and thus the scienceno more chain of provenance than that. Just your 
own and lab certification.


This is exactly what I see happening at the moment with many other 
dealers and even just collectors now...they are all doing the same as 
you did and proudly bringing new material to science and the collectors 
market. I see nothing wrong with that and I do not see all this so 
called fraudulent material on the market. If you are seeing this 
meteorwrong or terrestrial breccia material being sold by the dealers we 
would be very glad if you could share links with us to that material or 
self paired so we are aware of it and can decide ourselves. (Please let 
us know how you know it is terrestrial breccia). I would certainly 
telling people. I called one leading dealer out recently because they 
were saying the red coating on some recent lunar was fusion crust and 
thus rare when it is actually desert soil when examined at the lab and 
easily cleaned off. There are always a few amateurs and fraudsters, not 
well known dealers...trying on...but you seem to be saying more than that.


I admit people have to be careful when buying and need to see that the 
material has been analysed at the lab if being sold as a classified 
type. Those buying unclassified material have to take the risks like you 
and I have always done and then it stays unclassified unless we make the 
effort to donate parts and get the science done.


I just don't see what you are seeing and many other dealers are me 
asking what you are talking about...please share something concrete with 
us if you are seeing this. It is important for the confidence of the 
market in general.


Graham







On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
<mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> wrote:


It is up to dealers to prove what they are selling is legitimate,
not collectors/buyers after the transaction.  Why should a buyer
have to ask for provenance and the chain of custody directly to the
person named in a Meteoritical Bulletin? It is up to dealers to
provide this information up front.  Who in their right mind would
pay top dollar for untested and unclassified stones being put on the
market as planetary pieces?

If a dealer is too lazy to follow protocol then why should he/she be
rewarded? There is no value added by simply reselling untested
stones that are accompanied with stolen nomenclature and Meteortical
Bulletin entries.

Professionals see it as there is no such thing as an unclassified
luna

Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

In real estate, it is called doing your own due diligence.  I am simply 
trying to assist by providing the tools necessary for prospective buyers 
to make an informed purchasing decision.


You will find that a lot of reputable dealers and high end collectors 
have left the meteorite market due to the staggering amount of unproven 
and unclassified amount of material interfering with legitimate 
offerings. It is more difficult then ever navigating through all the 
listings to find valid material with perfect provenance.


Speaking of real estate, I need to work on something productive like 
property descriptions instead of creating a dealer snitch list.


I wish everybody the best in future acquisitions,

Adam



On 10/9/2017 3:34 PM, John Lutzon wrote:


Adam,
I was truly hoping to join your wagon train by virtue of your great
post regarding what to look out for in Ebay sales. I believe it may
have helped many people to not make a bad buy.

But now, again, you're losing me--again you state that you are aware
of 108 bad sales divided by the amount of Dealers and you know who
these sellers are -- but you're not tellin'--- smart !

And, you state that the Met-Bull will produce these bad dealers, by what means
do you mean?? Deduction ??

If you indeed want to help people Not make a bad deal--then why are you
basically making them jump through hoops. You are not helping anyone
by keeping this information to yourself. Either Name Them or quit writing
about this subjectit's doing no-one any good.

Get back on trackyou have alot to offer this community

John


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Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis



I have been getting several requests to name the dealers engaged in less
than honest business practices.  I have publicly called out those who
violated the sanctity of meteorites I was involved with in the past by
self-pairing and piggy-backing material I placed on the market. At one
point, it was almost a full-time job.  I am not interested in creating a
"Dealer hall Of Shame" list however you can put one together yourself
with a little bit of work. You would be surprised at the number of
dealers who are engaged in deceptive trade practices.

I found 108 violations out of the 265 lunar meteorites currently listed
on eBay by simply cross referencing the Meteoritical Bulletin.  There
are a lot more than 108 if unclassified material with no numbers is
taken into account.

For NWA material, the Meteortical Bulletin will assist in providing you
with a list of dealers to avoid.  Carefully write down the NWA numbers
in question and enter them into the Meteoritical Bulletin search text field.

Link to the meteoritical Bulletin search page:

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/

Things to look out for in the bulletin.

If there is more material by weight available on the market than what is
listed in the bulletin, then there is fraud taking place.

If the number of complete stones listed in the Bulletin under a
particular NWA number is exceeded, then you are looking at another case
of self-pairing which is also fraud.

If you are not provided with a complete chain of custody back to the
persons name in the bulletin who submitted the meteorite for study, then
it is not worth pursuing.

If you type in the NWA number or name and no data shows up, it means the
stone is not official and has not been approved.

It is interesting to see who made the list of dealers to avoid!


Happy hunting,

Adam






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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



I have been getting several requests to name the dealers engaged in less 
than honest business practices.  I have publicly called out those who 
violated the sanctity of meteorites I was involved with in the past by 
self-pairing and piggy-backing material I placed on the market. At one 
point, it was almost a full-time job.  I am not interested in creating a 
"Dealer hall Of Shame" list however you can put one together yourself 
with a little bit of work. You would be surprised at the number of 
dealers who are engaged in deceptive trade practices.


I found 108 violations out of the 265 lunar meteorites currently listed 
on eBay by simply cross referencing the Meteoritical Bulletin.  There 
are a lot more than 108 if unclassified material with no numbers is 
taken into account.


For NWA material, the Meteortical Bulletin will assist in providing you 
with a list of dealers to avoid.  Carefully write down the NWA numbers 
in question and enter them into the Meteoritical Bulletin search text field.


Link to the meteoritical Bulletin search page:

https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/

Things to look out for in the bulletin.

If there is more material by weight available on the market than what is 
listed in the bulletin, then there is fraud taking place.


If the number of complete stones listed in the Bulletin under a 
particular NWA number is exceeded, then you are looking at another case 
of self-pairing which is also fraud.


If you are not provided with a complete chain of custody back to the 
persons name in the bulletin who submitted the meteorite for study, then 
it is not worth pursuing.


If you type in the NWA number or name and no data shows up, it means the 
stone is not official and has not been approved.


It is interesting to see who made the list of dealers to avoid!


Happy hunting,

Adam






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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-09 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is up to dealers to prove what they are selling is legitimate, not 
collectors/buyers after the transaction.  Why should a buyer have to ask 
for provenance and the chain of custody directly to the person named in 
a Meteoritical Bulletin? It is up to dealers to provide this information 
up front.  Who in their right mind would pay top dollar for untested and 
unclassified stones being put on the market as planetary pieces?


If a dealer is too lazy to follow protocol then why should he/she be 
rewarded? There is no value added by simply reselling untested stones 
that are accompanied with stolen nomenclature and Meteortical Bulletin 
entries.


Professionals see it as there is no such thing as an unclassified lunar. 
 It is either lunar or it is not.  There is no gray area. That is like 
somebody placing quartz (Herkimer Diamonds) on the market and trying to 
sell them as an unclassified natural diamonds. There are over 167,000 
loose diamonds being offered on eBay.  Guess how many are real?  Most 
educated prospective buyers will not consider a stone without GIA 
certification.  Buyers learned the hard way when spending thousands of 
dollars for worthless paste.


I see terrestrial breccias being offered up as lunar material on a 
consistent bases thus the acid test. If it fizzes or you cannot get a 
direct chain of custody to the classifying laboratory, you may consider 
asking for an immediate refund.  Save your hard earned money.  There is 
something to be learned from other markets where buyers have been stiffed.


Adam







On 10/9/2017 2:55 AM, Graham Ensor wrote:
I'm afraid it works the other way round too Adam...you would have to 
have a piece analysed by an expert to say what you are saying rather 
than just look at the pieces to see and conclude what they are. Every 
single piece of my lunar has been to the leading lab specializing in 
meteorites in the UK and been recorded, weighed and analysed to show it 
is lunar. I have the write up and science write up submitted for 
classification if you wish to see it. It is likely part of this new 
bigger find this year and matches the other material around that I see 
for what that is worth.


Which reputable dealers are you accusing of selling the lunar material 
you think is not lunar by just looking at it? I'm sure you should pass 
that information on to help the community.




On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 1:33 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
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A lot of the garbage being sold as lunar meteorites by so-called
reputable dealers will not even pass the fizz test.

http://geology.com/minerals/acid-test.shtml
<http://geology.com/minerals/acid-test.shtml>

Collectors are being fleeced out of thousands of dollars by
terrestrial limestone breccias, some of which can be found in the
Atlas Mountains near an impact structure. I would avoid or ask for a
refund on any material that fizzes on a cut surface! I remember
seeing the same crustless, caliche-rich material offered up at the
Tucson Gem and Mineral show several years ago for $50.00/gram. Now
it is being offered on eBay and other venues due to a somewhat
similar appearance to genuine Lunar meteorites. I do not know if
refunds were given to those who purchase this terrestrial material
in the past or not.

This is but one example of why all stones suspected as being
planetary should be formally tested and classified.

If in doubt, throw it out or demand a refund.


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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

A lot of the garbage being sold as lunar meteorites by so-called 
reputable dealers will not even pass the fizz test.


http://geology.com/minerals/acid-test.shtml

Collectors are being fleeced out of thousands of dollars by terrestrial 
limestone breccias, some of which can be found in the Atlas Mountains 
near an impact structure. I would avoid or ask for a refund on any 
material that fizzes on a cut surface! I remember seeing the same 
crustless, caliche-rich material offered up at the Tucson Gem and 
Mineral show several years ago for $50.00/gram. Now it is being offered 
on eBay and other venues due to a somewhat similar appearance to genuine 
Lunar meteorites. I do not know if refunds were given to those who 
purchase this terrestrial material in the past or not.


This is but one example of why all stones suspected as being planetary 
should be formally tested and classified.


If in doubt, throw it out or demand a refund.

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Re: [meteorite-list] R: help me in understand analysis

2017-10-06 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

 
surface is required to perform laboratory classification work and 
deliver a type specimen to make it official? At the very least, you 
should be provided with the scientist’s name and contact information, 
for verification purposes, that determined that these exact uncut stones 
and fragments that are being offered are indeed lunar meteorites in 
their opinion.


Ridiculously Cheap Buy-It-Now Prices – You have heard the saying “If it 
sounds too good to be true, then it probably isn’t.”  Just check on eBay 
for real lunar meteorites that predate 2012/NWA 7000 with good 
provenance and you will see that the prices are about ten to twenty 
times higher.  This is because they are much more likely to be genuine, 
were managed properly and the correct steps were taken in their formal
classifications.  These older NWA lunar meteorites are also 
well-established with collectors, museums and the scientific community 
who are all now somewhat leery of the most recent offerings with a very 
poor track record thus far.  The main problem is that would-be buyers 
now have to wade through hundreds of listings to find valid, 
well-managed and official lunar meteorites.  Another old saying is, “You 
get what you pay for.”


Not Enough Information – Some dealers simply post a Meteoritical 
Bulletin entry in their descriptions and do not discuss how they came 
into possession of the material.   If the person’s name in the entry 
doesn’t match theirs, a satisfactory explanation is required for
provenance purposes.  Some simply claim, “from the finder to you” which 
means there is absolutely no scientific verification whatsoever and what 
they are offering is basically worthless.  It is up to the dealer to 
provide the entire chain of custody in their auction descriptions up 
front.  Why should a prospective buyer have to ask for this information?


Number Of Stones Exceeds Meteoritical Bulletin Entry – It is interesting 
that some of these self-paired uncut stones or fragments are being 
offered by the dozens under the same NWA number when much less than the 
number offered on eBay is listed in the Meteoritical Bulletin.


Lousy Material Preparation - It has been my experience that dealers who 
do not have enough pride to finish slices by polishing out saw marks 
also take other shortcuts including not getting their material formally 
classified.  Saw marks are a good indication the dealer is not 
interested in presentation, just a quick buck.


Online Provenance Check – You can get information online by simply 
typing in the words “Meteoritical Bulletin” into a search engine like 
Google.  You will find the Meteoritical Society’s database where you can 
enter the NWA number or name of any meteorite in question.


If concerned about authenticity, ask dealers these simple questions:

“Has this exact specimen you are selling as lunar, been officially 
classified?”


“What is the name of the institution that classified this exact specimen 
you have paired to another official meteorite?”


“What is its official pairing number or name?”

“If paired, what laboratory made the official pairing and what is the 
name of the scientist that looked at this exact stone?”


“Can I directly contact the institution who studied this stone?”

“Can you direct me to the specific official documentation that proves 
your offering has been properly studied and classified and not that of 
the stone you have this paired to?”


“Will you provide a lifetime guarantee that this is indeed what you say 
it is?


“How could this specimen have been studied when there are no windows or 
cuts to expose the interior?


“Why have you not included an ID card with your name on it, is there 
something to hide?”


Hope this helps some from being taken!




On 10/6/2017 9:52 AM, Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list wrote:

AhAhAh amazing!
a chunk of some kind of man made glass :)
I don't think about this possible solution of the enigma!
Thanks!



xx
Francesco


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conto di Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list
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Oggetto: Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis

Francesco,

There are so many things that scream "terrestrial" about this "lunatic" rock. 
Almost, 47% glass(SiO2) and 20% of aluminum oxide!? This is likely man-made and my guess is that 
this is a byproduct of glass manufacturing.

Mendy Ouzillou



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Behalf Of Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis

It is best to avoid this type of material altogether.   It appears to be
another self-paired stone being offered up as a planetary piece.   Most
collectors r

Re: [meteorite-list] help me in understand analysis

2017-10-06 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is best to avoid this type of material altogether.   It appears to be 
another self-paired stone being offered up as a planetary piece.   Most 
collectors realize that without formal classification by a recognized 
laboratory and name assignment by the Meteoritical Society, the material 
is consider just a rock and not a meteorite.   In other words, it is 
worthless.  Many collectors have been fooled already by the influx of 
these stones and are asking for refunds after realizing, there is no 
secondary market for this material.


Adam



On 10/6/2017 4:30 AM, Francesco Moser via Meteorite-list wrote:

Hello!
a man have send me some pictures of a dozen stones and asked me wich types
of meteorites could be.
I answered that for me those materials are terrestrial.
But he tell me that for sure the stones are lunar meteorites :)
He has send me this analysis for proving the lunar origin of the stones.
I'm not able to understand this data, please someone could take a look and
tell me if this material could be terrestrial or extra-terrestrial.
No other analysis was done on the stones. I guess that without an oxigen
isotopes abundance ratio is impossible to identify a lunar rock, isn't?

Method LF200

SiO247.45%
Al2O3   19.42%
Fe2O3   9.73%
MgO 10.16%
CaO 8.95%
Na2O1.75%
K2O 0.79%
TiO20.29%
P2O50.08%
Cr2O3   0.01%
Ba  110ppm
Ni  121ppm
Sc  7ppm

I Have also a detailed list of trace elements.

This man tell me that the presence of K2O and P2O5 confirm the
extra-terrestrial origin of the rocks.

Thanks a lot in advance!

xx
Francesco




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Re: [meteorite-list] In rare instance, lunar shadow cast on piece of moon during the eclipse

2017-09-19 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list



It is interesting how list members think alike.  I viewed a complete 
lunar eclipse through a piece of NWA 5000 on February 20th, 2008 and the 
solar eclipse through the same piece on August 21st, 2017 starting at 
10:00 am.  I also made a pinhole projector so that not only could I view 
the eclipse through the slice of NWA 5000, I could project the eclipse 
through it.  My images are not very clear since it was partially 
overcast here in Nevada during the eclipse but it was still visible.


Images of Solar Eclipse viewing:

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/NWA5000Slices/Eclipse-a.jpg

http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/NWA5000Slices/Eclipse-b.jpg

Best Regards,

Adam Hupe
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[meteorite-list] Ad - 15 Great No Reserve Lunar Auctions Ending

2017-09-12 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have 15 great NWA 5000 Lunar Specimens ending this evening and 
tomorrow night at auction with No Reserves.


No Reserve Auctions Ending This Evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.574 grams - Over A Gram - 
Gorgeous  http://r.ebay.com/7T1qZD


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .892 grams - Must See 
http://r.ebay.com/VLCZL8


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .630 grams - Great 
http://r.ebay.com/uCywQX


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .558 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/Mjo9JH


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .400 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/6SnNfB


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .380 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/K1zTBM


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/fgOhpd


No Reserve Auctions Ending Tomorrow Night:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.790 grams - Over A Gram - 
Beautiful  http://r.ebay.com/qTvbxF


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .872 grams - Fantastic 
http://r.ebay.com/2gCsQL


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .658 grams - Mist See 
http://r.ebay.com/GZ5uXc


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .548 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/RuikwM


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .482 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/z0VHxa


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .376 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/UCncCk


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .218 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/JfxEAS


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/1uU5Ts


Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, Good Luck,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection











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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-06 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Unfortunately, I have to agree, some people will buy anything.

Look at this Lunar Nugget somebody purchased off of eBay"

1000gm 1kg IRON NICKEL METEORITE moon rock crystal meteor aerolite lunar 
nugget | eBay http://r.ebay.com/esLLJx



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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-06 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones 
were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay.  Anything that was dark 
and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as 
meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even 
included old looking collection ID cards.


Link to China Syndrome:
http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content=view=26=114

It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of 
meteorite collecting.  First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then 
falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some 
dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven 
and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in 
place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are 
supposed to adhere to.


Adam



On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

That's worth about $50

Michael Farmer


On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann <dbt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Gents,



This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, Guanxi, 
Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in Chinese 
historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km length of area. 
Anyone interested please get in touch.

David
07771888566
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

I agree fully. Great time to buy.

Michael Farmer


On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and piggy-backing 
reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000.  And before that, it was 
falls when some less than honest dealers were substituting NWA material in 
place of the real thing. I remember Claxton, which I acquired from Michael 
Blood later selling for less than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector 
confidence.

No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices.  Many
collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are very leery of 
falls.

On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine lunar material 
with good provenance and laboratory confirmation since the price is sure to go 
up just like the Martians that were dumped a few years ago.

Adam



On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. Moroccans have 
dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I want just in Morocco. I saw 
kilos and kilos is lunar.
Michael Farmer

On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

It is funny that you mention Moroccans selling "lunar" material for 
about the same price as Eucrites.  The total weight of all Eucrites can 
be measured in metric tons while real lunar meteorites can be measured 
at less than 200 kilograms.  Eucrites and terrestrial rocks are 
definitely in mix of these so-called lunar meteorites being dumped on 
eBay.  I remember Mohamed Sbai, at the Tucson Show, in 2008 claiming 
that he had an 18 kilogram paring to NWA 5000 which turned out to be a 
Eucrite.


Without laboratory confirmation and some dealers refusal to follow 
Meteoritical Society protocol, you could end up with a toilet seat.


Adam




9/5/2017 9:54 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

I agree fully. Great time to buy.

Michael Farmer


On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and piggy-backing 
reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000.  And before that, it was 
falls when some less than honest dealers were substituting NWA material in 
place of the real thing. I remember Claxton, which I acquired from Michael 
Blood later selling for less than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector 
confidence.

No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices.  Many
collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are very leery of 
falls.

On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine lunar material 
with good provenance and laboratory confirmation since the price is sure to go 
up just like the Martians that were dumped a few years ago.

Adam



On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. Moroccans have 
dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I want just in Morocco. I saw 
kilos and kilos is lunar.
Michael Farmer

On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and 
piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000.  And 
before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers were 
substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I remember 
Claxton, which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less than 
a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector confidence.


No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices.  Many
collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are very 
leery of falls.


On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine lunar 
material with good provenance and laboratory confirmation since the 
price is sure to go up just like the Martians that were dumped a few 
years ago.


Adam


On 9/5/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:

You are pissing in the wind. Lunars are about worthless now. Moroccans have 
dropped the price to less than that of eucrites. I want just in Morocco. I saw 
kilos and kilos is lunar.

Michael Farmer


On Sep 5, 2017, at 9:22 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
<meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:


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[meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-05 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

Please take a look if you can spare a few moments at my no reserve NWA 
5000 lunar meteorite auctions ending this evening and tomorrow night.


I had an eBay customer message me that a dealer told him that all lunar 
meteorites are equal.  I told him that is like saying all diamonds are 
equal whether they are imperfect industrial bort or flawless and that 
the dealer who made this idiotic statement needs to be more honest.  I 
went on to say that the other dealers material cannot possibly have been 
studied since the dealer admitted that it came directly from Morocco, to 
him and straight onto eBay. I looked at the other offerings more closely 
and they were covered with red caliche, were heavily weathered and had 
no crust.  In other words, near worthless, since no laboratory or 
qualified scientists had even looked at the material.


If you are interested in the real deal, please check out the good stuff 
listed below


No Reserve Auctions Ending This Evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .846 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/dEUz2B


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .802 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/3nSgGO


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .624 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/CLjOUb


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .504 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/TNAgE1


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .308 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/ZIv3eQ


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Cutting Dust
http://r.ebay.com/ltnVMv

No Reserve Auctions Ending Tomorrow Night:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.050 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/kA7PeC


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .840 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/RmQRof


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .594 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/jVSRRb


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .482 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/YwBkyV


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .382 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/miGnIb


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .154 grams 
http://r.ebay.com/R8HiTI


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/kXKSKs


Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection
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[meteorite-list] AD - No Reserve Auctions Ending Including Holbrook Points

2017-08-22 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have some excellent no reserve auctions ending tonight, tomorrow 
evening and next Saturday morning. Many NWA 5000 lunar meteorite 
specimens are over are over a gram this week! I also have a no reserve 
auction ending on a rare arrowhead lot that were found in 1926/29 while 
some searchers were on a meteorite hunt in Holbrook, Arizona. One of 
them is an exceedingly rare Early Triangle point that would compliment 
your Holbrook meteorites in a display since you are not allowed to pick 
up points these days.


Holbrook Point:
AUTHENTIC EARLY TRIANGLE POINT ARROWHEAD W/ADDED BONUS – HOLBROOK 
ARIZONA – 1926 http://r.ebay.com/eIWKz4


No Reserve NWA 5000 Auctions Ending Tonight:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.014 grams - OVER A GRAM 
http://r.ebay.com/iNhLrY


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .434 grams - PURE GABBRO! 
http://r.ebay.com/5iRZId


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .412 grams - NICE! 
http://r.ebay.com/KM6q3s


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust!! 
http://r.ebay.com/7gVMuy



No Reserve NWA 5000 Auctions Ending Tomorrow Evening - SEVERAL OVER A GRAM!:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.590 grams - ECLIPSE 
SPECIAL! http://r.ebay.com/lB2Rz9


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.210 grams - OVER A GRAM! 
http://r.ebay.com/UQ5BfP


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.110 grams - OVER A GRAM! 
http://r.ebay.com/pUyDfw


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .886 grams - CRUSTED! 
http://r.ebay.com/XNKn2G


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .694 grams - CRUSTED! 
http://r.ebay.com/rvUA4I


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .436 grams - TRIANGULAR 
WHITE CLAST! http://r.ebay.com/YXkXtQ


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/9UIReP


No Reserve Test Auction Ending Saturday Morning. I put this auction in 
place to see how items do on eBay on Saturday mornings since I am 
thinking about putting up some Martian material on Saturdays since I am 
stuck at home anyway answering real estate calls.


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .722 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/DOaBzn


Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, I wish you the best of luck.

Best Regards,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection








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[meteorite-list] Special NWA 5000 Images TS, Totality Slice And Updates!

2017-08-21 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I am honored to see that NWA 5000 was posted to the Meteorite Picture of 
the Day.  I had no idea it would be posted today of all days.  I had 
planned on sharing some of my own images in celebration of this special 
day and to mark the ten year anniversary since NWA 5000 was discovered.


Here are some of my favorite thin section images taken by Tom Phillips 
of NWA 5000:


http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/TSImage-a.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/TSImage-b.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/TSImage-c.jpg

Images of NWA 5000, 246mm X 205mm X 8mm complete slice appropriately 
named a long time ago, "The Totality" since it is large enough to cast a 
shadow of its own:


http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1a.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1b.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1c.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1d.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1e.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1f.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/CS-1g.jpg

Here are some of the latest images of NWA 5000 successfully being 
produced and integrated into a secondary market.  These Kialara Bit-Coin 
Suites sold out in just over four minutes for $1,800.00 each setting a 
new record and are now approaching $20,000.00 each unloaded at auction! 
I should have snatched up as many as possible but had no idea how 
successful they would be while still in production.


In Production:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-a.jpg

Finished:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-b.png

Close ups:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-c.jpg
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-d.jpg

Close up showing NWA 5000 specimen integrated into product:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-e.jpg

The Key to Success:
http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/Kialara-f.jpg

The clients for this product reads like a world's most successful 
whose-who list and is extensive. Ex President Clinton With Kialara Bit 
Coin Holder:

http://themeteoritesite.com/NWA5000TenYear/BillClintonKialaraBitcoin.jpg

I still do not have permission to post images of NWA 5000 being 
integrated into a Royal Coronation gift surrounded by jewels but will 
when the project is completed.  The artist doesn't want images of an 
uncompleted project put into circulation.  He has been working on it for 
years.  The last images of the partially completed project I was 
provided with are beyond words!


Enjoy this special day. I am going to view the eclipse!

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection









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[meteorite-list] AD - No Reserve Auctions Ending - Excellent Specimens!

2017-08-15 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,

I have several excellent no reserve auctions ending tonight and tomorrow 
evening.  Now is great opportunity to pick up some Summer doldrums 
bargains on Official pre-NWA 7000 Lunar material!


No Reserve NWA 5000 Auctions Ending Tonight:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.130 grams - OVER A GRAM! 
http://r.ebay.com/QTHEWM


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .862 grams - NICE BRECCIA! 
http://r.ebay.com/fG7ICq


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .662 grams - WOW, 
COSMOPOLITAN! http://r.ebay.com/GNT3d7


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .490 grams - CLAST-RICH! 
http://r.ebay.com/5DnpUy


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .420 grams - CRUST! 
http://r.ebay.com/HbbnL0


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust!! 
http://r.ebay.com/sHCZuK


No Reserve NWA 5000 Auctions Ending Tomorrow Evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.500 grams - LOT! 
http://r.ebay.com/KMfY5s


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.250 grams - OVER ONE 
GRAM! http://r.ebay.com/8jonLG


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .910 grams - CRUSTED! 
http://r.ebay.com/ZSGW2Z


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .806 grams - TWO-TONE! 
http://r.ebay.com/OY73C9


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .652 grams - INTERESTING! 
http://r.ebay.com/u4aGE0


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .490 grams - NICE! 
http://r.ebay.com/L8i9Kt


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/2CM9hl


Thank You for looking and if you are bidding, I wish you the best of luck,

Best Regards,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection






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Re: [meteorite-list] LOL! You'll LOVE this!

2017-08-14 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list

Yes, We will probably see it on eBay in a week or two along with all of 
the other fake, unstudied, undocumented and unclassified meteorites 
being offered as official!  He will more than likely even self classify 
it taking an example from post 2012/NWA 7000 meteorites.




On 8/12/2017 7:18 AM, Tommy via Meteorite-list wrote:
"A man in Georgia claims to have found a burning meteorite in a small 
impact crater in his yard and captured video footage of his discovery 
moments after impact on July 21.


But is it real?"

http://www.grindtv.com/random/man-claims-found-burning-meteorite-yard-real-video/ 




Regards!

Tom


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[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions Ending - Seriously Good Bargains!

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list


Dear List Members,


I several great no reserve auctions ending this evening and tomorrow 
night. You may want to take a look since meteorites in general have been 
selling at very low prices during the Summer doldrums meaning seriously 
good bargains are to be had.


I hope this post goes through since I have been having a difficult time 
eliminating HTML content with my new email system causing them to get 
scrubbed on the Meteorite Central List.



No Reserve Auctions Ending This Evening:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.20 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/LYt0by


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .700 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/JVErBs


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .604 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/JfFHP9


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .506 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/1jt9Eb


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .402 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/wMlDc4


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .376 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/OVLhCh


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust!! 
http://r.ebay.com/IUhdlN


No Reserve Auctions Ending Tomorrow Night:

Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.064 grams - OVER A 
GRAM http://r.ebay.com/wAUlak


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .748 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/Gv3Axg


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .608 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/QtO5nD


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .536 grams - CRUSTED - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/5GnLSI


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .408 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/YrCZRu


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock .366 grams - OFFICIAL - NO 
RESERVE! http://r.ebay.com/Ms1xZ5


Legendary NWA 5000 Lunar Meteorite Moon Rock 1.0 grams Pure Dust! 
http://r.ebay.com/j2A8s5



Thank You for Looking and if you are bidding, Good Luck,

Adam Hupe
The Hupe Collection

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