Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

I've been giving some thought to framing microformatted content as "attachments," along with a little paper clip icon. This would resonate with users who are familiar with email, but on the downside, a lot of people have been trained that attachments=danger. -Alex On Jun 28, 2007, at 11:2

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Paul Wilkins skrev: From: "Alex Faaborg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |> Mozilla's user experience team is going to continue brainstorming the best way to expose microformat detection to end users, along with the rest of the mozilla community. I'll post updates to this list from time to time, and it w

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

The thunderbird developers have been asking about microformats, so they are definitely looking into it. awesome! will there be authoring tools in Thunderbird too? I've been looking for years for some easy-to-use authoring software to suggest to media publicists to embed machine-readable event

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Off topic slightly: given that FF3 will (may?) have native support for microformats, will Thunderbird? The thunderbird developers have been asking about microformats, so they are definitely looking into it. Previous discussions have been about hCard, but other formats could of course be sen

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

Tantek Çelik wrote: Actually, this is precisely one of the reasons that a bunch of us have decided to push the POSH name/moniker. POSH is indeed a very elegantly coined and catchy acronym, but the only problem is that it is more a procedure than a substantive - one cannot say "hRelease is a POS

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 6/28/07 5:28 PM, "Alex Faaborg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Probably none of us here is the right ones to decide something like >> this... > > Fair enough, several other people have made this point as well. We > are always open to feedback about microformat detection in Firefox 3, > so if a

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

From: "Alex Faaborg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |> Mozilla's user experience team is going to continue brainstorming the best way to expose microformat detection to end users, along with the rest of the mozilla community. I'll post updates to this list from time to time, and it will be interesting to

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Probably none of us here is the right ones to decide something like this... Fair enough, several other people have made this point as well. We are always open to feedback about microformat detection in Firefox 3, so if anyone has any comments, please feel free to post them to this list o

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Benjamin West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On the contrary; you have been presented with evidence *and* use cases for date-of-death more than once; not least in the first post in this thread. Andy, I'm not sure which evidence you are referring to. Not least:

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes For some of these I see quite a bit of utility (e.g. "gender" is often used in social network searches - an actual application in common use), whereas others seem to be merely driven by sense of semantic publish

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date ofDeath in hCard)

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Montgomery, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I was under the impression that the purpose of hCard was to provide a way to markup individual and organizational contact information. If this is the case, does date of death make sense to include? In general, I d

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Ryan King skrev: On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Frances Berriman wrote: On 28/06/07, Thom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly! We need a brand and a website that introduces people to the concept, tells them where to get the plugins or the right browsers and possibly encourages them to put

RE: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date ofDeath in hCard)

I was under the impression that the purpose of hCard was to provide a way to markup individual and organizational contact information. If this is the case, does date of death make sense to include? In general, I don't need to contact someone who is no longer living. The original example tha

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ryan King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: hQuote anyone? ;-) http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-Q http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoticon -- Andy Mabbett _

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

On 6/28/07 11:27 AM, "Benjamin West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6/28/07, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> >>> For some of these I see quite a bit of utility (e.g. "gender" is often >>> used in social netw

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On Jun 28, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Frances Berriman wrote: On 28/06/07, Thom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly! We need a brand and a website that introduces people to the concept, tells them where to get the plugins or the right browsers and possibly encourages them to put pressure on the

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:37 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: hQuote anyone? ;-) http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/text.html#edef-Q -ryan ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microf

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

On 6/28/07, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >For some of these I see quite a bit of utility (e.g. "gender" is often >used in social network searches - an actual application in common use), >whereas others seem to be

Re: hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes For some of these I see quite a bit of utility (e.g. "gender" is often used in social network searches - an actual application in common use), whereas others seem to be merely driven by sense of semantic publishing comple

[uf-discuss] How to play

Point 3 of the 'wiki's "how to play page: states quite clearly: If you write something opinionated, sign it with your username What's the correct procedure if someone adds an opinion, presented as fact? Should the wiki page be edited t

hCard history and extensions (was Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard)

On 6/28/07 9:21 AM, "Andy Mabbett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can see no good reason why an historical, almost accidental, > relationship with vCard should stop the hCard on that page from also > including his Date of death (and places of birth and death, for that > matter). The decision to b

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tantek Çelik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On 6/27/07 3:40 PM, "Guillaume Lebleu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If we they choose not to follow the microformat process, what about suggesting them to call their specification a hFormat instead of a microformat? Actua

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

That's great, I think we should all make an effort to test out some of this functionality on other non-geeks and try and get an idea of how it's received. Maybe we can start a wiki page to gather this info? Can I say again that I think this only applies to a small number of MFs, mainly hCal a

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Hi All, I'm normally pretty quite on this list because I'm more of a usability and front end designer than a programmer. I thought I'd chip in my $0.02 though because this is such an interesting discussion. I agree that the average user needs to be able to call this new browser ability somethin

RE: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

Andy Mabbett wrote: > (If anything, I'd rather split hCard into hBio for people; hOrg for organisations (including companies, rock bands, etc.) and hPlace > for venues, structures and locations - but that's another issue, and the horse has almost certainly bolted.) I too regret that I wasn't part

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

On 6/27/07 3:40 PM, "Guillaume Lebleu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we they choose not to follow the microformat process, what about > suggesting them to call their specification a hFormat instead of a > microformat? Actually, this is precisely one of the reasons that a bunch of us have decide

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ca>, "Rickards, Julian (NDM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > John Beales wrote: > >> This is an interesting idea - the modular approach. This way we could >include not only a death date, but a place as well. >> Eventually this could be added to bday too, (it may be a t

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

On 28 Jun 2007, at 15:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: We'd then have two standards, on being a subset of the other, and the distinguishing feature would be that the subset is defined by an obscure standard that most people have never heard of. ‘Heard of’ perhaps not, but it is very, very widely use

RE: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

John Beales wrote: > This is an interesting idea - the modular approach. This way we could include not only a death date, but a place as well. > Eventually this could be added to bday too, (it may be a trick to make it stick to the vcard - but that's a challenge for later). > Having birth an

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

Scott wrote: I suspect we're interpreting Ben's proposal differently, but this looks like modularity to me, one of the principles of microformats. There's already a "Specifications That Use hCard" section in the hCard spec, including geo and adr, which go into hCards. "died" or whatever could b

RE: [uf-discuss] hCard to vCard via JavaScript

LOL, that's a good one Ben! I'm no good with JS. Jules -Original Message- From: Ben Ward Potentially you could write script that would do it in-page where available and otherwise fall back to a Technorati URL. ___ microformats-discuss maili

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

People seem to be put off by words like semantic or microformat. Maybe we need to do some more research outside of this mailing list? Does anyone have any ideas how we could design some research to try and answer this? Some scenarios we could user test would be the difference between a page wi

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Yeah microformats do lots of great and different things, auto tagging when someone saves a link is a good example of some useful functionality that can just work without any new name. I think hCard and hCal are new, this isn't something their web browser hasn't done before, and people will want

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

I was using that as an example. I was just reiterating Andy's point that this is something different which needs to be identified, a user needs to understand that the website has to support a standard that matches what their software is looking for. Otherwise it doesn't work. This can then help

Re: [uf-discuss] hCard to vCard via JavaScript

On 25 Jun 2007, at 18:55, Rickards, Julian (NDM) wrote: Although the two Web-based solutions are great, for anyone behind a firewall, it might not work so a local JS solution may be the way to go. http://leftlogic.com/lounge/articles/microformats_bookmarklet As far as I remember, this bookma

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28 Jun 2007, at 15:59, Thom Shannon wrote: yes, it's a "thing", it's different. FF3 can't just add any address you see to your address book, its a specific kind of address that just looks the same, and you need a browser or plugin or something that understands that specific "thing" So w

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Andy Mabbett wrote: I would be prepared to have ‘hCard profile extensions’ separated from hCard, though. There's value in the hCard spec being 1:1 with vcard, especially with regards compatibility with desktop tools. Does anyone agree? No; I strongly disagree

RE: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Off topic slightly: given that FF3 will (may?) have native support for microformats, will Thunderbird? -Original Message- From: Thom Shannon yes, it's a "thing", it's different. FF3 can't just add any address you see to your address book, its a specific kind of address that just looks the

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On Jun 27, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Tara Hunt wrote: Oh and non-experts/non-developers don't talk about data (or content, really), they talk about: addresses photos blog posts (now) videos events reviews resumes etc. SmartData is nice for us, but all of you are still thinking like developers ('cause

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

yes, it's a "thing", it's different. FF3 can't just add any address you see to your address book, its a specific kind of address that just looks the same, and you need a browser or plugin or something that understands that specific "thing" So whats the thing called, micro-what? or "Resuable Da

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes We need a way to get across to people that content can be lifted out of pages and used in useful ways, when those pages support it. And people need to call it something. Maybe it should just be "Reusable Information".

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Im not advocating a name that catches all microformats, just the ones that are useful to someone who wants to reuse data from a webpage. hCa* and maybe a couple of others. Why does this need a user facing name? Well it's going to be a very long time before microformats are truely ubiquitous, s

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:33, Andy Mabbett wrote: There having been no comments, much less objections, I intend to proceed with this, using "died" as the property name, in five days from the time of posting. I have no objection

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

David Janes skrev: On 6/28/07, Pelle W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would say that Microformat = XML and therefor you say that "this reads microformats" as much as you can say "this reads XML". Well, microformats are one thing and XML is another so Microformat != XML. Or do you mean "Terminolog

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Thom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Yeah, which is why I dont think we should throw away all that effort but use it. Design a logo that echoes the MF logo, maybe even base the name on it? Microform Microtag Microcontent (which perhaps covers compound mic

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28 Jun 2007, at 14:40, Thom Shannon wrote: I get your point, but as Alex pointed out people are interested in this microformats thing but dont want to call it that, journos are refusing to talk about it because "the term 'microformats' would only appeal to developers, and not the average

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Thom Shannon wrote: I get your point, but as Alex pointed out people are interested in this microformats thing but dont want to call it that, journos are refusing to talk about it because "the term 'microformats' would only appeal to developers, and not the average reader" As it should be: th

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

On 6/28/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Although this particular extension wouldn't have a major impact on that use, if we're to open the can of adding new fields, I'd like it considered that we clearly separate it, perhaps into a separate I certainly agree, I think having hCard mapping

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Generating valid unique IDs for hAtom

On 6/28/07, Ben Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 22 Jun 2007, at 07:07, Toby A Inkster wrote: > What's wrong with using Permalinks as an id? > > If you need to make several entries onto the hAtom feed referencing > the > same URL, then you can just add "#ref-20070722", "#ref-20070723" > and so

RE: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

Your proposal seems quite reasonable. Jules -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Ward Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:39 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:33, Andy Mabbett

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 6/28/07, Pelle W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I would say that Microformat = XML and therefor you say that "this reads microformats" as much as you can say "this reads XML". Well, microformats are one thing and XML is another so Microformat != XML. Or do you mean "Terminology-wise/linguistical

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

I get your point, but as Alex pointed out people are interested in this microformats thing but dont want to call it that, journos are refusing to talk about it because "the term 'microformats' would only appeal to developers, and not the average reader" We need a way to get across to people th

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: Generating valid unique IDs for hAtom

On 22 Jun 2007, at 07:07, Toby A Inkster wrote: What's wrong with using Permalinks as an id? If you need to make several entries onto the hAtom feed referencing the same URL, then you can just add "#ref-20070722", "#ref-20070723" and so on to the end of the URL to make it unique. The best

Re: [uf-discuss] Date of Death in hCard

On 27 Jun 2007, at 20:33, Andy Mabbett wrote: There having been no comments, much less objections, I intend to proceed with this, using "died" as the property name, in five days from the time of posting. I have no objections to this. It's a useful extension to hCard as a ‘profile’ format;

RE: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Not to suggest a change to the name but when you compare the size of the specs for the Elemental Microformats such as XFN, VoteLinks, and Rel-Nofollow with the Compound Microformats such as hCard, hCalendar and hReview, it seems like the latter might be better suited under the umbrella of "mini-for

Re: [uf-discuss] Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, Toby A Inkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Pelle W wrote: > Wouldn't "metadata-enabled browser" be one possible description? Contact-aware browser; Calendar-aware browser; Geo-aware browser; etc... Microformats are bits of human readable data tagged so that a machine can do somet

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, Jon Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Frances Berriman wrote: > [...] As is the microformats > principle, perhaps we should see what turns up naturally in the wild > as the way people describe such pages and go with that as a guide. Maybe this is over simplistic but my mum understands

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Frances Berriman skrev: On 28/06/07, Thom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly! We need a brand and a website that introduces people to the concept, tells them where to get the plugins or the right browsers and possibly encourages them to put pressure on their web guys to implement them, "

Re: [uf-discuss] hRelease

On 27 Jun 2007, at 23:40, Guillaume Lebleu wrote: If we they choose not to follow the microformat process, what about suggesting them to call their specification a hFormat instead of a microformat? ‘format’ — sans ‘h’ — and ‘semantic HTML’ are serving well enough I think, without throwing

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Frances Berriman wrote: [...] As is the microformats principle, perhaps we should see what turns up naturally in the wild as the way people describe such pages and go with that as a guide. Maybe this is over simplistic but my mum understands "download". That seems to me to be the most natural

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 27 Jun 2007, at 23:09, Thom Shannon wrote: I know this topic comes up a lot and we'd all like to see Microformats change the lives of millions of ordinary internet users, that's why we're all here! My friend just asked me an interesting question, is Microformats the right name for it?

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, Thom Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Exactly! We need a brand and a website that introduces people to the concept, tells them where to get the plugins or the right browsers and possibly encourages them to put pressure on their web guys to implement them, "Want x's on your site? Th

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Exactly! We need a brand and a website that introduces people to the concept, tells them where to get the plugins or the right browsers and possibly encourages them to put pressure on their web guys to implement them, "Want x's on your site? Then use Microformats" Alex Faaborg wrote: One reas

[uf-discuss] Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

Pelle W wrote: > Wouldn't "metadata-enabled browser" be one possible description? Contact-aware browser; Calendar-aware browser; Geo-aware browser; etc... -- Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS [Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux] [OS: Linux 2.6.12-12mdksmp, up 7 days, 15:49.]

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

One reason to consider having both an implementation-level name and an interface-level name: Mozilla has had multiple inquiries from reporters in the mainstream media who wanted to cover microformats in stories about the future of the Web browser, but they then later backed out because the

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Yeah, which is why I dont think we should throw away all that effort but use it. Design a logo that echoes the MF logo, maybe even base the name on it? Microform Microtag It will be a subset of the full range of microformat standards but clearly part of the same thing. Andy Mabbett wrote: I

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, Andy Mabbett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >this description would finish the sentence "features of Firefox 3 >include support for offline Web applications, private browsing, >blocking malware, and __[user facin

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes this description would finish the sentence "features of Firefox 3 include support for offline Web applications, private browsing, blocking malware, and __[user facing way of saying microformat detection]__" ...data d

RE: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

I agree, I don't think there needs to be a different term for Microformats specifically geared towards the general web user ("like my mum"). Specific names for each public-facing uF would be nice where the user would recognize hCard content as a "Smart Name" or hCal as a "Smart Date" but I don't t

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

HyperSense? David Janes wrote: On 6/28/07, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right, we need a general user facing way of describing microformat detection, in order to describe the various applications (like Web browsers, feed readers and extensions like Operator) that let the user take a

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

I just think it would be good to bring these handy microformat driven functions under a banner that isn't confused by the other things microformats do. The idea of pulling these bits of data out of a page and using them elsewhere is one of many features of microformats and something that people

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Alex Faaborg skrev: Therefore, uFs don't need a user-facing name - their applications do. If Operator and Firefox 3 are in a category of uF enabled applications, what should that category of applications be called? Or another way of putting it: Feed Readers :: RSS __ :: microformats I wo

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, David Janes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/28/07, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right, we need a general user facing way of describing microformat > detection, in order to describe the various applications (like Web > browsers, feed readers and extensions like Operator)

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 6/28/07, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Right, we need a general user facing way of describing microformat detection, in order to describe the various applications (like Web browsers, feed readers and extensions like Operator) that let the user take actions on microformatted content.

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

Therefore, uFs don't need a user-facing name - their applications do. Right, we need a general user facing way of describing microformat detection, in order to describe the various applications (like Web browsers, feed readers and extensions like Operator) that let the user take actions on

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alex Faaborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes microformat UI design for Firefox 3 when the user hovers the mouse over an area of the page that contains microformatted content, we will change the cursor to display the associated application (or a generic icon if

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 28/06/07, Pelle W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/27/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Although I heart the idea of language for non-experts, I'm wondering >> how public facing Microformats, as a general term, is. >> >> I've thought about this before...I can see the specific microfor

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

On 6/27/07, Tara Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Although I heart the idea of language for non-experts, I'm wondering how public facing Microformats, as a general term, is. I've thought about this before...I can see the specific microformats, like hCard and hCal and hReview being public facing..

[uf-discuss] Re: microformats for normal people, like my mum

Miles Fidelman wrote: > The Clark quote is "any sufficiently advanced technology is > indistinguishable from magic." > > Personally, I prefer the following, which I saw in someone's sig line > recently: "if it's distinguishable from magic, it isn't sufficiently > advanced." Corollary: any suf

Re: [uf-discuss] microformats for normal people, like my mum

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Miles Fidelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Paul Wilkins wrote: >> From: "Tara Hunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> It should look like magic. What's that Arthur C. Clarke quote about >>> technology and magic? >> >> it's not rocket science that we're doing here, it's toughe