Re: package dependencies

2006-06-15 Thread Bihlmaier Andreas
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 04:19:26PM -0700, Spruell, Darren-Perot wrote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > p.s. this question comes from the need to know the exact packages to > > download and burn to CD in order to get a reasonably usable desktop > > system running gnome, when said system has no co

Re: Pulled out an old song..

2006-06-15 Thread Jason Stubbs
Han Boetes wrote: Peter Philipp wrote: I was just going through my OpenBSD cd's and came across the first cd with a song... Interestingly enough I didn't find an mp3 with it as combined with newer releases. Anyhow can anyone confirm this rmd160 checksum after the song is cdparanoia'd? # rmd160

NFS Slow writes

2006-06-15 Thread Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)
I've narrowed the problem down. I'm running an FTP server (vsftpd) who's users home dir's are on an nfs share. If I run vstpd without mounting the nfs share (and create a user with a valid home dir) I get 21MB/s uploads. If I copy a file from the OBSD box to a dir on the NFS mount, I get 8MB/s.

Re: Pulled out an old song..

2006-06-15 Thread Han Boetes
Peter Philipp wrote: > I was just going through my OpenBSD cd's and came across the > first cd with a song... Interestingly enough I didn't find an > mp3 with it as combined with newer releases. Anyhow can anyone > confirm this rmd160 checksum after the song is cdparanoia'd? > > # rmd160 track02.c

Re: rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Lars Hansson
On Friday 16 June 2006 04:27, Lawrence Horvath wrote: > > You can rate limit with the altq built into pf. > Can i rate limit both ways, incomming and outgoing, the pf > documentation for queues sd only one way, but is there a way to keep > the system from downloading as much to it? so as to keep u

Re: Azalia no sound

2006-06-15 Thread bdz
vladas wrote: On 15/06/06, bdz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi misc, i have azalia loaded at boot time ok, but there is no sound out. the wmmixer says "wmmixer : Sorry, no supported channels found.". the mpg123 can play the mp3 file (no error messages) but i can hear nothing. any idea? wmmixer

Re: Lost&Found with PF-Tables?!?!

2006-06-15 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 03:31:01AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > table persist > pass in on $ext_if proto tcp to $web_server \ > port 22 flags S/SA keep state \ > (max-src-conn 10, max-src-conn-rate 3/10, overload flush) > > The problem I have is that pf did not added the table

Re: NFS Slow writes

2006-06-15 Thread Barry, Christopher
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Bob Bostwick (Lists) > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 6:05 PM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Subject: NFS Slow writes > > I'm trying to setup an NFS share, and am getting horrible write > performance. Reads

Re: ftp problems with OpenBSD 3.9

2006-06-15 Thread Nick Holland
Smith wrote: how do I compile it. I know I can look at previous patches and possible figure it out but I wouldn't know if it's the proper way to do it. I have a test machine all setup and ready and my pwd is /usr/src/libexec/ftpd. Just replied privately, but since you asked publicly also, s

Lost&Found with PF-Tables?!?!

2006-06-15 Thread sebastian . rother
Hello everybody, I configured a pf and I used the same config for a lot Servers. But I noticed something.. strange today after a 3.9-i386 Server had a reboot. pf is started by default and the config was also used with 3.8 (same Server..). Example-Rule pasted: table persist pass in on $ext_if p

Re: error clamav at 3.9

2006-06-15 Thread riwanlky
Hi guys, I am trying to install Clamav on 3.9. Previously I used Clamav on 3.8 and without need to make install the unarj. Manage to make install unarj. However Clamav require unrar and I got this error. # make install ===> Checking files for unrar-3.54p0 >> unrarsrc-3.5.4.tar.gz doesn't see

Re: Privilege bracketing in Solaris 10

2006-06-15 Thread Graham Toal
> http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0406/819-6320.pdf > > I'm not a C developer so it is mostly Greek to me, but others may find > some concepts therein useful. 30 years after VMS and 40 years after EMAS. Ivan Sutherland sure had it right with his observatiion of the "great wheel of reincarnation" as

Re: Routing trouble with PPPoE on 3.8

2006-06-15 Thread Roger Neth Jr
On 6/15/06, Srikant Tangirala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello I am trying to connect my obsd 3.8-stable system to internet via PPPoE ( ISDN connection-64Kbps). ppp program reports an established connection, ifconfig shows an IP address assigned to tun0 interface. But i simply can't use any prog

Re: developing a backup strategy

2006-06-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 03:27:18AM +, Travers Buda wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:41:55 -0700 > prad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i've gone through the threads: > > > > Recommendations for an OpenBSD-based Backup Solution > > remote data backup > > > > and am contemplating the ideas as

Re: Spam Trapping

2006-06-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:29:17PM +0100, tony sarendal wrote: > On 14/06/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 09:31:49AM -0700, John Draper wrote: > > > Mike Spenard wrote: > > > >What are some thoughts on purposely getting a spam trap email > > > >address a

Re: ddos mail attack thwarted by spamd greylisting!

2006-06-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 01:07:46AM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: > > Luckily, spamd greylisting saved the day. If it wasn't for BASE/snort > > reporting of the portscan, I wouldn't have even bothered looking in my logs > > tonite, and probably would never have been aware of the thwarted attempt. > > >

Re: Erro compilirg eet-0.9.10.027 "Your OS does not support C99's '%a'"

2006-06-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Jun 12, 2006 at 02:34:33PM -0500, uv negativa wrote: > hi > i compiled eet an say: > > > configure: error: Unsupported Operating System! > Your OS does not support C99's '%a' string format. Eet cannot function > without > it. Please contact your OS vendor to get updates for C99 '%a' floa

Re: ddos mail attack thwarted by spamd greylisting!

2006-06-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 10:02:49AM +0700, riwanlky wrote: > Hi Guys, > > I am going to install IDS for my firewall. According to this message > snort have problem, is there any alternative IDS? Is there any IPS? I've heard good things about Bro-IDS . It's not in ports, tho

Re: ftp problems with OpenBSD 3.9

2006-06-15 Thread Smith
how do I compile it. I know I can look at previous patches and possible figure it out but I wouldn't know if it's the proper way to do it. I have a test machine all setup and ready and my pwd is /usr/src/libexec/ftpd.

NFS Slow writes

2006-06-15 Thread Bob Bostwick \(Lists\)
I'm trying to setup an NFS share, and am getting horrible write performance. Reads are fast as can be expected. I've searched the archives and found several threads on the subject, but no resolutions. I've tried all possible fstab options (that I know of) but none really help with write. I'm cur

Re: package dependencies

2006-06-15 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > p.s. this question comes from the need to know the exact packages to > download and burn to CD in order to get a reasonably usable desktop > system running gnome, when said system has no connection to > the interweb See also: 'make print-build-depends' and 'make pri

Routing trouble with PPPoE on 3.8

2006-06-15 Thread Srikant Tangirala
Hello I am trying to connect my obsd 3.8-stable system to internet via PPPoE ( ISDN connection-64Kbps). ppp program reports an established connection, ifconfig shows an IP address assigned to tun0 interface. But i simply can't use any program like ping, ftp or firefox to connect to any server. The

Re: package dependencies

2006-06-15 Thread Spruell, Darren-Perot
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > If one does not have OpenBSD installed how would one obtain a > list of > the dependencies of a certain package, say gnome-desktop for > arguments sake? $ cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome/desktop/ $ make describe gnome-desktop-2.10.2p1|x11/gnome/desktop||components for the G

Re: package dependencies

2006-06-15 Thread Craig Skinner
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 10:47:40PM +0100, poncenby wrote: > p.s. this question comes from the need to know the exact packages to > download and burn to CD in order to get a reasonably usable desktop > system running gnome, when said system has no connection to the interweb > If the net wont c

package dependencies

2006-06-15 Thread poncenby
quick one for you knowledgeable chaps/chapesses... If one does not have OpenBSD installed how would one obtain a list of the dependencies of a certain package, say gnome-desktop for arguments sake? Many thanks poncenby p.s. this question comes from the need to know the exact packages to

Privilege bracketing in Solaris 10

2006-06-15 Thread Craig Skinner
Hi List, This has just been published at my work: http://www.sun.com/blueprints/0406/819-6320.pdf I'm not a C developer so it is mostly Greek to me, but others may find some concepts therein useful.

Re: Fwd: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
Siju George wrote: This is the mail I got from Hifn representative for my response to his mail and clarifications in misc. ... Hank Cohen On my own account. Well, hopefully this will encourage Mr. Cohen to think hard about a situation before he wallows in and posts something to a public

Re: rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Lawrence Horvath
On 6/15/06, John R. Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lawrence Horvath wrote: > On 6/15/06, John R. Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Lawrence Horvath wrote: >> > 3.9 GENERIC#617 i386 >> > >> > Wanted to know what are the possible ways to rate limit an ethernet >> > interface, if queues in p

Re: rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
Thordur I. Bjornsson wrote: Lawrence Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Thu 15.Jun'06 at 13:27:54 -0700 Can i rate limit both ways, incomming and outgoing, the pf documentation for queues sd only one way, but is there a way to keep the system from downloading as much to it? so as to keep un

Re: mount_msdos error

2006-06-15 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/06/15 16:16, Tony Abernethy wrote: > > nike:fred /home/fred> fdisk sd1 > > fdisk: sysctl(machdep.bios.diskinfo): Device not configured > > Disk: sd1 geometry: 1980/64/32 [4055040 Sectors] > > Offset: 0 Signature: 0xAA55 > > Starting Ending LBA Info: > > #: id

binat on which interface?? - Equality

2006-06-15 Thread Steve Williams
Hi, I am trying to use binat for the first time. Been using OpenBSD since the 2.7 days, but never had a need for binat. Looking at an example in the the pf FAQ, I get web_serv_int="192.168.1.100" web_serv_ext="24.5.0.6" binat on tl0 from $web_serv_int to any -> $web_serv_ext The way I think

Re: mount_msdos error

2006-06-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
Fred Crowson wrote: > > Hi Misc, > > I keep getting the following error, when trying to mount a 2GB Sony > Memory Stick Pro Duo (MSX-M2GN) in my Sony T7 digital camera: > > nike:fred /home/fred> sudo mount /mnt/t7 > mount_msdos: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/t7: Inappropriate file type or format > > Can anyone

Re: rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Thordur I. Bjornsson
Lawrence Horvath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on Thu 15.Jun'06 at 13:27:54 -0700 > On 6/15/06, John R. Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Lawrence Horvath wrote: > >> 3.9 GENERIC#617 i386 > >> > >> Wanted to know what are the possible ways to rate limit an ethernet > >> interface, if queues in pf

Re: rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Lawrence Horvath
On 6/15/06, John R. Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lawrence Horvath wrote: > 3.9 GENERIC#617 i386 > > Wanted to know what are the possible ways to rate limit an ethernet > interface, if queues in pf will do this, or is any other way, i have a > 2meg colo connection and dont wnat to go over it

rate limiting an interface

2006-06-15 Thread Lawrence Horvath
3.9 GENERIC#617 i386 Wanted to know what are the possible ways to rate limit an ethernet interface, if queues in pf will do this, or is any other way, i have a 2meg colo connection and dont wnat to go over it or ill get charged, and the ISP wont cap it, so i have to cap myself. Thanks -- -Lawren

mount_msdos error

2006-06-15 Thread Fred Crowson
Hi Misc, I keep getting the following error, when trying to mount a 2GB Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo (MSX-M2GN) in my Sony T7 digital camera: nike:fred /home/fred> sudo mount /mnt/t7 mount_msdos: /dev/sd1i on /mnt/t7: Inappropriate file type or format Can anyone help me debug this issue? It mou

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Phil Howard
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 08:52:01PM -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: | > So what if one of the driver writers for one of the open source operating | > systems were to design a set of open standards for a hardware/software | > interface for chipsets in this class. | | I guess the part I don't u

Fwd: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Siju George
Hi all, This is the mail I got from Hifn representative for my response to his mail and clarifications in misc. This mail was sent to me privately and I am well aware of the fact that it is not good manners to make private mails public. In that way i am just going down a little bit down on that.

Re: ftp problems with OpenBSD 3.9

2006-06-15 Thread Smith
I tried in /etc/rc.conf.local ftpd_flags="-DllUSAn4" and rebooted. Problem still persisted. I checked netstat -an to verify that it was not listening on tcp6 port 21. I'm going to do Nick Holland's suggestion and the tcpdump idea too.

Re: Curious on NAT traversal possibility on PF

2006-06-15 Thread Martin Toft
Late reply due to mail server problems at my ISP... Stuart Henderson wrote: Depends what you're trying to do, but if it's e.g. throttling p2p users, that's only going to be of limited help. I haven't tried the approach yet and, as you, I'm in doubt about its abitily to throttle p2p. However, t

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Tony Abernethy
Breen Ouellette wrote: > > Darrin Chandler wrote: > > Look, it's pretty obvious from early exchanges in this thread that these > > issues have been discussed by the principal parties over a fairly long > > period of time. How many brilliant insights have been added by this > > thread? More importan

Re: SMP error

2006-06-15 Thread Jesse Gumm
Have you tried disabling Hyperthreading in BIOS and seeing if you continue to get this message? From what I've read, hyperthreading tends to lower performance on the BSDs anyway. On 6/15/06, Edgars <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi! Thats interesting. May be you can say where is a problem in my cas

Re: vpn1411 problem related to software error? (was Re: [Fwd: 'Corrupted MAC on input' points to vpn1411 problem])

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
Breen Ouellette wrote: I am still going to install 3.9 on a PC and try an ssh connection which doesn't involve WinXP / PuTTY. I finally got around to it and I still get the error when connecting from a PC installed with OpenBSD 3.9 to my net4801 / vpn1411 running OpenBSD 3.9. So, just in case

Re: SMP error

2006-06-15 Thread Adam
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:03:10 +0300 edgarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > There was another thread about SMP, "OpenBSD does not support > HypeThreading" Yes, it does. > Intel's HT is very powerfull thing :) No, its not. As you yourself stated, it is "HypeThreading". It may be a good demon

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Thu, Jun 15, 2006 at 09:01:51AM -0600, Breen Ouellette wrote: > 1) The principle parties' exchanges didn't go anywhere. It is time to > crank the heat up a couple of notches. If the principle parties come in > and ask us to stop it will go a lot futher than you, some random person, > asking u

USB device nodes

2006-06-15 Thread Markus Schatzl
Hi, working on setting up some crypto tokens, I noticed some differences to Free/NetBSD on handling the ugen devices. If a device is attached, the kernel reports it as ugenX, as it does it also on the other BSDs. Though /dev/ugenX itself doesn't exist on OpenBSD, so it can't be talked to. Typi

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
knitti wrote: oh come on, this discussion is already as off topic as it can be, no need to add FUD to it. any algorithm the cards claim to implement _is_ fully documented, so you can test any output except that of the RNG against a 'known good' implementation This is a great point. However...

Re: sendmail config: non-system mail accounts?

2006-06-15 Thread L. V. Lammert
At 07:01 PM 6/14/2006 -0500, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: i'm pretty comfortable using postfix as an MTA, but i have only now been fiddling with sendmail. everything has been going fine, except that i can't figure out how to add mail accounts for users without adding them as users on the mailserver i

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: I guess the part I don't understand is why are open source folks so wary of running black-box *.o binaries from a vendor but are quite eager to use blackbox crypto cards (that effectively run blackbox *.o firmware)? This is a pretty poor argument in my books. They

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Breen Ouellette
Darrin Chandler wrote: Look, it's pretty obvious from early exchanges in this thread that these issues have been discussed by the principal parties over a fairly long period of time. How many brilliant insights have been added by this thread? More important, has this thread opened up Hifn's specs

Re: pics from the hackathon

2006-06-15 Thread Bob Beck
http://bofh.ucs.ualberta.ca/beck/pictures/c2k6 has my full set. -Bob * Kroty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-15 04:30]: > Hey folk, > > anyone willing to share some pics from this year's hackathon? > > I just have seen a couple of them from beck. ;) > > Thanks! > -- | | |

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 11:45:13PM -0800, Eliah Kagan wrote: > On 6/14/06, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I blame neither Mr. Cohen nor the lawyers. It's the decision makers at > >the company who have decided this policy, which is a policy change from > >years ago. Nobody else at the

Re: recording streams with OpenBSD

2006-06-15 Thread Will Maier
On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 03:01:58PM -0700, Bryan wrote: > Will Maier wrote: > >$ mplayer -dumpstream http://your.stream.com/stream.mp3 -dumpfile > >stream.mp3 > > I did find that, but the stream is not an .mp3 file. So? Mplayer will dump an ASF stream. In fact, I tried that with your stre

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread knitti
On 6/15/06, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ditto for the card intentionally leaking the keying data into the cipher stream? oh come on, this discussion is already as off topic as it can be, no need to add FUD to it. any algorithm the cards claim to implement _is_ fully documen

Re: developing a backup strategy

2006-06-15 Thread Allen Theobald
[snip] > My favorite solution is rsnapshot in ports. It beats rsync and scp > because not only does it allow you to specify what and when to > backup, > but it uses hard links. What's that got to do with anything? Well it > rsyncs everything on the first backup, and only the differences > there >

Azalia no sound

2006-06-15 Thread bdz
hi misc, i have azalia loaded at boot time ok, but there is no sound out. the wmmixer says "wmmixer : Sorry, no supported channels found.". the mpg123 can play the mp3 file (no error messages) but i can hear nothing. any idea? after cvs up (3.9-current w/ GENERIC) mixerctl -a: outputs.adc07.

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Jeff Quast
On 6/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh well ... I have to admit that I find it quite amusing how some people that do restrict access to documentation are the same that do take advantage of other people's free documentation ... http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssl-users&m

Missing Man Page bio (3)?

2006-06-15 Thread Ste Jones
Hello, Just wondering if there is a missing man page or if bio (3) references should be removed from the following pages SSL_accept.pod SSL_connect.pod SSL_do_handshake.pod SSL_get_fd.pod SSL_get_rbio.pod SSL_read.pod SSL_set_bio.pod SSL_set_fd.pod SSL_shutdown.pod SSL_write.pod Cheers Ste Jon

Re: x.org

2006-06-15 Thread astefani
Just for information: I noticed the same behaviour on my FreeBSD laptop. It appears from time to time, and when I have it on a tty, I'll have it until next reboot. Oddly enough, when I launch xinit or X on the tty which has the problem, it works normally. I checked the logs, well... nothing to say.

Re: SMP error

2006-06-15 Thread Edgars
Hi! Thats interesting. May be you can say where is a problem in my case, i posted message some days ago? Henning Brauer wrote: * edgarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-15 08:12]: There was another thread about SMP, "OpenBSD does not support HypeThreading" :/ Bad, too bad :( Intel's HT is very

Re: smtp-gated alternative for OpenBSD

2006-06-15 Thread Edgars
Use a postfix and port redirection. Redirect all smtp connections to your server, and thats all :) Craig Skinner wrote: On Sun, Jun 11, 2006 at 03:43:24PM +0300, Soner Tari wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to find a fully transparent smtp proxy for outgoing mails from NATed hosts behind my firewal

Re: x.org

2006-06-15 Thread Martin Vahi
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange problem which appeared in 3.8 and appears in 3.9. When I type startx it does nothing. After waiting for half a minute i press cancel and only then it begins to do something but fails to start. When I open another tty and type there startx it s

pics from the hackathon

2006-06-15 Thread Kroty
Hey folk, anyone willing to share some pics from this year's hackathon? I just have seen a couple of them from beck. ;) Thanks!

Re: SMP error

2006-06-15 Thread Henning Brauer
* edgarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-06-15 08:12]: > There was another thread about SMP, "OpenBSD does not support > HypeThreading" :/ Bad, too bad :( Intel's HT is very powerfull thing :) OpenBSD does support HT, at least on machines with a proper MPBIOS. and indeed I have a dual xeon here that at

Re: x.org

2006-06-15 Thread Per Engelbrecht
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange problem which appeared in 3.8 and appears in 3.9. When I type startx it does nothing. After waiting for half a minute i press cancel and only then it begins to do something but fails to start. When I open another tty and type there startx it starts normally. The s

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread veins
Oh well ... I have to admit that I find it quite amusing how some people that do restrict access to documentation are the same that do take advantage of other people's free documentation ... http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssl-users&m=114832209207203&w=2 Oh ... wait ... no. I don't find that

x.org

2006-06-15 Thread artjom
Strange problem which appeared in 3.8 and appears in 3.9. When I type startx it does nothing. After waiting for half a minute i press cancel and only then it begins to do something but fails to start. When I open another tty and type there startx it starts normally. The strangest thing is that I do

Re: Hifn policy on documentation

2006-06-15 Thread Eliah Kagan
On 6/14/06, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I blame neither Mr. Cohen nor the lawyers. It's the decision makers at the company who have decided this policy, which is a policy change from years ago. Nobody else at the company is to blame. That's how responsibility works. No, it's not.

How do I add a new sysctl varible?

2006-06-15 Thread Pnorcott
Hi, I have tried to follow the source code and and have been unable to add a variable. Is there a step by step guide any where? I want to have a counter (int) and an array[1000] of bytes. Thanks. pn.

Re: Spam Trapping

2006-06-15 Thread Mikhail Goriachev
tony sarendal wrote: > On 14/06/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 09:31:49AM -0700, John Draper wrote: >>> Mike Spenard wrote: >>> What are some thoughts on purposely getting a spam trap email address acquired by spammers and the best way to do so